Condensing Your Life on to a USB Flash Drive?

Fear the Clam asks: "My wife and I figure that if we plan for the worst, it'll never happen, so we've been putting together 'If public transportation bites it and we have two minutes to grab our stuff and start walking, never to return to NYC' getaway knapsacks. With luck they'll live in the closet forever. Coincidently, this morning the New York Times has an article about what to take when you have to leave home in a big hurry [DNA verification required], and they suggest making a list of all of things like Social Security and credit card numbers, scanning birth certificates, marriage license and tax returns, and saving it all on a USB flash drive. Since this would be a complete identity kit, encryption is of utmost importance. What's the best solution? A flash drive that claims to encrypt or a platform-independent, self-extracting, encrypted file on a regular drive? Any suggestions for sturdy drives?" Of course, the choice of USB flash drive covers only a part of the problem. What other data would you put on this piece of "contingency hardware", and how would you protect the drive itself in case you did have to "swim for it"?

Comments

I'd take a backup of my backup.

[Anonymous Coward]

I've had three USB Flash Drives (Lexar, and two Sandisks) die on me, usually under a year, presumably a byproduct of the limited writes available to NAND memory.

Re:I'd take a backup of my backup.

[Doppler00]

I doubt that. There isn't enough bandwidth on the USB port to write the ammount of data that would kill the flash memory. It's more likely to be mechanical failure of components.

Re:I'd take a backup of my backup.

[Fujisawa Sensei]

Fujifilm. I just had one of those suckers go through the washing machine a while back. Still works.

Re:I'd take a backup of my backup.

[Anonymous Coward]

I deal with the write issue on a regular basis. We used to use flash for embedded systems but the annual replacement of flash drives got excessive. We now use microdrives, which have an actual spinning media drive in them.

If you're looking for a backup solution for your family data, organize your files in a competent manner (so it is comprehensive and well organized), and then develop a routine to write monthly CDs off. We dump two to CD, one of which goes to the bank safety deposit box (in a town 30 miles from here where I work), and the other gets dropped off at my folks. We keep their own backup as well. Mine is encrypted (theirs isn't since they're not that sophisticated and don't care).

Works like a champ and was tested once already when my home workstation died and needed data recovery. Damn cheap-assed capacitors leaked on the motherboard...

*flyover sam*
(I'd post under my sig but there's nothing like a Slashdot stalker to change your interest in karma)

Re:I'd take a backup of my backup.

[LDoggg_]

wikipedia says: "A typical flash memory unit wears out after 10,000 erase operations."
1 Gigabyte times 10K full writes =~ 10 Terabytes.
High speed USB 2.0 is supposed to be 480Mbits/second. Or 60MegaBytes/second

Not sure if you can write at full speed, but since you said there isn't enough bandwith:
You could transfer 1,892,160,000,000,000Bytes/year or approximately 180 times more bandwith than you'd need.
The much slower USB 1.1 specification would give you over 4 times the bandwith you'd need in a year for a 1GB USB thumbdrive.

Re:I'd take a backup of my backup.

[mwilli]

Fijifilm makes USB flash drives?

Re:I'd take a backup of my backup.

[arodland]

I'd say that's a bit out of date. Current parts are usually expected to get 1 million write cycles per block "minimum", and if you get good ones, you can approach 10 million. And provided that you don't rewrite every single piece of data every time, wear leveling will help you out too. So the parent is probably right. You would have to work really hard (or get a number of lousy chips) to kill a decent-sized drive with writes in a year.

Re:I'd take a backup of my backup.

[Doppler00]

It's probably impossible to re-write the same piece of data everytime. Flash memory is usually designed to rotate through the available empty space, thus if you erase/delete the same part of the file over and over, it's actually erasing block a, and writing to the next free block a+1, until it hits the end of the memory. Only after it's cycled through all available free space will it write to the same block again.

Re:I'd take a backup of my backup.

[optikSmoke]

No, but Fujifilm does.

Re:I'd take a backup of my backup.

[WraithRealm]

Lexar Media - Had a 128Mb USB drive go through wash 3 times. Each time, after dry-out, the data was intact. Finally stopped working ~2 years later when someone ran over it with a car.

Re:I'd take a backup of my backup.

[Zandall]

Try using JFFS or JFFS2 instead of FAT. These filesystems were created with NAND memory in mind.

Re:I'd take a backup of my backup.

[Anonymous Coward]

"That's what I get when I try to type with one hand, eat with the other"

Ri-i-ight. "eat".

Re:I'd take a backup of my backup.

[kasperd]

Flash memory is usually designed to rotate through the available empty space

The flash doesn't know which sectors are empty, only the file system knows that, which is a different layer. So what you describe would require the flash to be larger than advertised and use this extra space for the purpose. Assuming it actually works that way, then were does it keep information about correspondance between logical and physical sectors, and how does it avoid overwriting this all the time? No doubt it is possible, but do they actually put such complicated stuff in the flash? And does it mean, that we no longer have any need for the file systems able to handle this?

Re:I'd take a backup of my backup.

[bani]

Yes, on all counts.

Modern flash is quite sophisticated (at least compactflash and USB sticks are, no idea about SD/MMC)

Not only does modern flash have multiple redundancies and ECC, it also has wear leveling and badblock reallocation. This is all completely transparent to the end user / operating system.

IOW, there is no need for the OS or filesystem to handle any of this.

And yes, the flash is larger than advertised for exactly these reasons. So are your hard drives (IDE, SCSI) which have similar features and have similarly reserved space.

Re:I'd take a backup of my backup.

[laplandsix]

SANDisk Cruizer Mini. It's taken no less than 3 rides in the washer! I've long since lost the cap, and there's something rattling around in there, I've used it as an emergency screwdriver a few times, but by God it still works! I had a Lexar Jumpdrive go bad on me in less than 4 months before I got this one. Quite OT, but I've often wondered if I could pry off this cover and dip this sucker in one of those cans of rubber like you'd dip the handles of your tools. A couple of coats of that and this thing would be damn near indestructible! It would only be vulnerable at the USB connector end.

Re:I'd take a backup of my backup.

[bortizc]

once you have total failure there is no turning back. electronic information is useless. even paper information is useless. you will be on your own. perhaps it is a good idea to have a plan for the future and forget the past. forget new york, forget everything every man and woman for themselves. or perhaps constitute new tribes based upon mutual colaborations. if you take these things with you you are expecting to come back. but what if there isn't anything to return to.

Re:I'd take a backup of my backup.

[numbski]

Hey, I hear some guys can do that. There was even a rumor flying around (sheesh, almost ten years ago!) that Marilyn Manson had one of his ribs removed for that very reason!

Re:I'd take a backup of my backup.

[kabocox]

I just had one of those suckers go through the washing machine a while back. Still works.

I've lost count how many times my little 128 MB Dell has made the trip through the washing machine. It works fine. My 512 MB Lexar drive had to be replaced when I was troubleshooting someone else's computer and it stopped working. Lexar replaced it without any problems. Now, if we had that scale of a problem. Take my advice. Don't worry, don't keep anything on you except your driver's license. You'll be taken care by the red cross and the feds will have declared marshal law and everyone in the nation will be issued biometric ID cards anyway. If your rich, you should have a vacation home in an out of the way local that isn't on anyone's hit list. If you aren't rich, the best thing to do is try not to live in any major high profile cities or political points. I'd think Mt. RushMore http://www.nps.gov/moru/ and The Statue of Liberty http://www.nps.gov/stli/ would be better targets than anything else though.

Goal isn't to kill people. It is to creat mass choas, panic and terror. I'd target New York City's Water Supply System http://www.nyc.gov/html/dep/html/watersup.html rather than the city itself. The panic and terror that would create would be much more than if NYC was wiped off the face of the map.

Re:I'd take a backup of my backup.

[Anonymous Coward]

While I have never had to resort to this as I have never dorpped my falsh drive in water, I am told that submerging it in alcohol afterward is a very good idea. The alcohol displaces the water, is non-corosive, and evaporates much faster than water.

I have used this method in the past with the old buckling spring keyboards... Someone spills coffee in one, you submerge it in warm water with Dawn dish detergent and swish it around a bit, then rinse, then submerge in alcohol (this is back in the day when a keyboard was much more expensive that 4 or 5 bottles of rubbing alcohol) then take it out, let it dry for an hour or two and plug it in. *THAT* I have done many, many times with no problem. Never a short, never a rusted spring.

Living in the other target city (DC)

[Anonymous Coward]

My philosophy is that if DC is in such shape that I can never return, I really don't care about carrying around any personl data or very much anything else other than my life. We were having a discussion at work about whether our web backups could survive a nuclear attack... but if there's a nuclear attack, our website is the least of my concerns.

Re:Living in the other target city (DC)

[JabberWokky]

I made the CFO of a major insurance company chuckle when I pointed out during the disaster recovery committee meeting, as the backup and data storage company made their pitch (involving their "nuclear blast proof vaults"), that when the competition started lobbing warheads at us I would tender my resignation.

--
Evan

Re:Living in the other target city (DC)

[ThaFooz]

My philosophy is that if DC is in such shape that I can never return, I really don't care about carrying around any personl data or very much anything else other than my life

Indeed. Besides, any (unforseen) situation that would render a major metro area uninhabitable probably means you aren't getting out alive anyways. If New Orleans couldn't be properly evacuated with several days notice, getting out of the beltway would be pretty damn tough. New York would be impossible.

Re:Living in the other target city (DC)

[cowscows]

Well, yes, your life is very important, but it's certainly not a bad idea to grab what you can. Taking a little bit of stuff doesn't mean you're valuing it over your life. Grabbing an already prepared USB drive full of personal documents isn't stupid in the same way as, say, staying home to guard your comic book collection from looters.

If DC is your home, and it gets wiped off the map, let's just hope that you survive. And if you do survive, you'd certainly be glad to have anything that you did manage to bring with you.

Re:Living in the other target city (DC)

[nelsonal]

If the brown hits the rotaries that bad (city destruction by nuclear or biological), I'm depending on the wetware storage of rural survival skills (subsistance farming and animal husbandry) rather than some now useless bits stored in silicon.

Re:Living in the other target city (DC)

[kevcol]

"...and animal husbandry"

Oh come ON now! Society is having a tough enough time with gay marriage to even go there!

Re:Living in the other target city (DC)

[Total_Wimp]

My philosophy is that if DC is in such shape that I can never return, I really don't care about carrying around any personl data or very much anything else other than my life.

People tend to think of the "worse case scenerio," but it often falls short of this. Yes, escape with your life, but remember that at some point you'll likely want to rebuild it in a civilized society.

The living victims of the Tsunami, Katrina and Cherynobl all had to rebuild their lives. The living victims of Hiroshima and Dresden all had to rebuild their lives. Even the jews who survived Aushwitz had to rebuild their lives.

Short of total world destruction or your personal death, you will need to rebuild yours as well. It would be easier to do if you could convince your insurance company to cut you a check for your obliterated house.

TW

Re:Living in the other target city (DC)

[znu]

A nuclear detonation on the scale terrorists might manage would only do fairly localized damage; if you survived the blast and the radiation, you could probably walk to areas with mostly intact infrastructure in an hour or two. In about two hours, I could walk from my house up to the GWB and into New Jersey. It wouldn't take me more than five or six hours from anywhere in Manhattan. Of course, the elderly and people with disabilities would need still need emergency evacuation.

And I'd make damn sure to bring my data; it's the product of a couple of decades of work. 'Starting over' would take on a whole new meaning without it. I'd probably grab my 500 GB external drive (which has everything) and my laptop. The laptop would give me a second copy of my really important stuff, and could come in handy. Katrina showed that the Internet can play a pretty important role in getting out information when infrastructure fails, in providing local information that traditional media overlooks, and in helping people stay in touch.

Re:Living in the other target city (DC)

[Crunchie Frog]

Nice. I just repeated this comment to some workmates but got a bunch of sheepish looks.

Re:Living in the other target city (DC)

[EnderWigginsXenocide]

Dude, I put in about 300 meters of cat5 in a newly renovated/remodeled office suite. There's lots of Cat-5 in DC.

Re:Living in the other target city (DC)

[leuk_he]

you could probably walk to areas with mostly intact infrastructure in an hour or two.

Walk seems to be correct. However since the army will be al over it, and there is more terrorist threat, you will be shot trying to leave a suspect area. By foot is most dangerous, a bus might be more appropiate.

If you do not believe me look a New Orleans. Many people failed to leave the area in the days after because roads were close by men with guns. And in that case there was no terrorist threath.

So make sure you have a stash of money to buy your way out of a disaster area. That is worth far more than your encrypted /sealed usb stick.

Storing that data encrypted on the internet on a offshore site might help you not to worry about picking up that usb stick.

Re:Living in the other target city (DC)

[Pieroxy]

That is a bit shortsighted. There are plenty of minor disasters that could destroy a great deal of your life and that would be sad. The one thing every people I know (or I've heard of) that had their house burn down complained about was that they lost all memories of 'before'. Not mentioning all the burnt paperwork of course, but this is just paperwork and it takes only time and effort to make it up again. Pics, Videos and sometimes an old piece of music not distributed anymore were at the top of the list.

Burning that and sending it to your parents and in laws is a minor charge and can prove usefull. Even only for a regular robbery.

Of course, if the earth was to explode, I woudn't care about that stuff anymore. But life is not all black and white. Most of the time, it is grayish.

Re:Living in the other target city (DC)

[JabberWokky]

I do wonder how many people have the skill set to survive. I know how to build a timber frame house, field dress and smoke an animal, understand basic sanitation issues (how far to build your outhouse from your water supply), etc. Some of it is from reenactment, some is interest in early tech, some from Scouting, most out of curiosity. But I have no idea if I could survive; my bugout kit is aimed at a disaster where modern society survives and I won't need a two man saw or years worth of ammo. Regional natural disasters, basically.

I do assume that even in a mild emergency a USB key would be useless. Heck, the Florida storm shelters are pretty much the best case emergency situation and a USB key is pointless while there. A good marine ziplock bag (or just a freezer bag) stuffed with some documents and tucked into a small bag you carry with you is a hell of a lot more useful. Keep them stored at all times in a waterproof bag and you might get lucky and avoid having them turned to pulp when the fire department floods your house to put out the fire in the next room over. Mine are in a freezer bag in the file cabinet I keep my records in. Need to leave? Grab the bag out of the folder.

If your house burns down you have aid workers helping you replace your documents, and I don't see that having them scanned on a USB key is any better than photocopying them and handing or mailing them to a trusted friend or family. And if you don't have someone you can trust like that, that's step one, way before you get a USB key.

--
Evan

Re:Living in the other target city (DC)

[Merk]

Whoa, dude. You can smoke an animal? I thought it was only plants. I bow to your mighty, mighty smoking ways! What kind of a high do you get off an albatross anyhow?

What's the best solution?

[John Hasler]

Paper.

Re:What's the best solution?

[jmcharry]

Since this is the sort of thing one isn't likely to think about often, and digital archives tend to deteriorate or become obsolete, paper is a good bet, but make it acid free bond, and store it in acid free covers. There should be a second, similar, copy far enough away that a single event is not likely to take out both. This should be good for well over a lifetime.

Re:What's the best solution?

[kfg]

how would you protect the drive itself in case you did have to "swim for it"?

Which you should put in something commonly refered to as a "Baggie."

KFG

Re:What's the best solution?

[Frogbert]

Fortunatly for me I have a good friend in Nigeria who is willing to take copies of all my important documents and store them in a safe place as part of an ongoing business relationship him and I share.

Re:What's the best solution?

[kevcol]

"Fortunatly for me I have a good friend in Nigeria who is willing to take copies of all my important documents and store them in a safe place as part of an ongoing business relationship him and I share."

FREND- I AM AWIATING ON NYOUR MOST EXPIDICSOUS REPLY TO MY LATEST LETTER. I NEED TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU BY TELEFON AS SOON AS HUMANELY POSSIBLE. DO NOT DISAPOINT ME.

Re:What's the best solution?

[mr_gerbik]

Have fun carrying your filing cabinet around.

I leave an encrypted backup DVD with my parents twice a year when I visit, making this whole issue moot.

Little did you know that your mother has been using those DVDs as drink coasters at coctail parties for years.

Better luck next time sucker.

Re:What's the best solution?

[gowen]

Sorry. All by baggies will be employed to keep my stash dry,

Re:What's the best solution?

[Gwyn_232]

And to be extra sure, stick the baggie in a tub of vaseline. Not only does it perfectly waterproof it (vaseline is hydrophobic, so it can't be penetrated by water), it's also prepped in case you need to hide it quickly.

Re:What's the best solution?

[kfg]

. . .it's also prepped in case you need to hide it quickly.

Oh, hey. That's one I hadn't thought of. Go figure.

KFG

They tend to be pretty tough

[Helios1182]

Most USB drives are pretty tough. I would make a copy or two and put it in a crush/water proof case like an Otterbox.

heh

[Anonymous Coward]

screw Social Security, they're going bankrupt anyway... on my emergency flash drive it's all about the pr0n.

Re:heh

[Anonymous Coward]

They dont make USB drives that are big enough yet. I've only seen them go up to 8gigs. ;)

Security

[b00tleg]

I always swallow my USB identity drives

Re:Security

[La Camiseta]

For some reason, I keep on having to re-swallow my USB emergency drive every few days.

It really puts me into a crappy situation when I have to re-swallow it at work.

Re:Security

[rthille]

Swallow it sideways, it doesn't come thru as fast then...

Encryption

[PsychicX]

As far as encryption goes, for god's sake don't rely on anything the manufacturers ship. That stuff is meant to protect you from your average luser seeing files, not anybody who is honestly interested. Use Blowfish or Twofish for proper 2 way encryption.

Re:Encryption

[kasperd]

As far as encryption goes, for god's sake don't rely on anything the manufacturers ship.
I agree. And don't rely on full disc encryption products. We are just starting to understand the security issues of full disc encryptions, it will be a few years before I'd expect manufacturers to start understand it as well and be able to implement something secure. For now GBDE is probably the most secure, but even that isn't perfect. gpg --symmetric --cipher AES256 would probably beat any full disc encryption when it comes to security.

Use Blowfish or Twofish for proper 2 way encryption.
Uhm, what is a two way encryption? And I'd advice against blowfish as it only uses 64 bit cipher blocks. Go for something with at least 128 bit cipher blocks and even more if you have many GB of data. AES256 have 256 bit keys and 128 bit blocks, which I think should be sufficient as long as you don't need to encrypt more than 64GB of data in the key's lifetime.

alternate plan

[Anonymous Coward]

Tatoo yourself in reeealy reealy little 1's and 0's. Tatoo your wife with the decryption key.

Re:alternate plan

[EnsilZah]

Should be the other way around.
That way he can call himself the keymaster and his wife the gatekeeper

Re:alternate plan

[Gothic_Walrus]

But if something goes wrong, who they gonna call?

Maybe it's just me, but

[bobertfishbone]

Wouldn't accepting scanned documents of identification open many a door for counterfeiters and scam artists, and even, dare I say, potential terrorists? *Raises terror alert to mauve*

Re:Maybe it's just me, but

[MrDoh!]

Mauve? You do realise this means changing the bulb

Depends on your priorities

[HungWeiLo]

You can store 5 minutes DV-quality porn on a 1GB stick.

If you are a man of questionable tolerance and determination, I suggest you use some kind of compression.

Oh - you mean like a "real real" drought or some other real natural disaster? Oh sorry.

(Goes back to work)

OMG! The sky is falling!

[Brent Spiner]

Well if your going to be all paranoid, you might as well get one of these.

Re:OMG! The sky is falling!

[s-meister]

$160,000. They can't spell Quantum the same way seven times in the same page. Why yes, this inspires confidence. As does the fact that I've yet to see any mention of fire in the advertised protection this offers.

The out side surfaces can be plated with stained pine wood paneling to give it a nice wood grain finish.

All that wood and polycarbonate, for which the melting point is 250 degrees Centigrade according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarbonate.

PGP

[Rick Zeman]

....is your friend. Don't trust the key vendor's utility. PGP can be accessed from any platform and isn't Win32-specific as the vendor's software is.

Re:PGP

[igny]

But where will you store your private key? Another flash card? Would you put them both into one wallet?

Re:PGP

[Hiro Antagonist]

You'll use a symmetric cypher with a passphrase. GPG at least isn't *just* a public/private key system. Also has the advantage of being cryptographically much stronger

Re:PGP

[Xibby]

For example:
Zip up your stuff (or tar.bz2, whatever...)
gpg -c --cipher-algo AES256 Stuff.zip

Copy Stuff.gpg to your flash media.

To decrypt, copy Stuff.gpg to your computer and run:
gpg -d Stuff.gpg > Stuff.zip

Don't forget your password. Make sure you use a trustworthy GPG binary, and the unencrypted archive should never be stored on your flash media!. The unencrypted version could be easily recovered using undelete software.

Now if it was me doing this, and I had some time on my hands, I'd look into the Linux crypto loop stuff. But that doesn't work all that well if nobody in your family runs Linux. So, I would have to opt for True Crypt on a Windows machine, create an encrypted volume on my flash drive, copy over the improtant files, unmount and run for it. At my parents/grandparents/whatever, it would be trivial to download and intall true crypt again and get access to my files.

Linus Torvalds' Solution

[isny]

Upload it to the internet and let the world mirror it.

Re:Linus Torvalds' Solution

[LWATCDR]

Actually that is not that bad of an idea.
Encrypt it and send it to your gmail account, your Yahoo briefcase, and maybe your hotmail account. Not to mention storing it on your USB drive.
BTW your best bet for security for your USB drive is physical security. If you are really worried about someone taking it carry a spare full of fake data.

Re:Linus Torvalds' Solution

[funk_doc]

Take your encrypted file and rename it "Barbie_twins_nude_in_oil.mpg" and upload it to some p2p networks. Your data will be accessible from any computer forever.

Re:Linus Torvalds' Solution

[nfn]

why dont you just encode it all on your fingernails every few months.

http://optics.org/articles/news/11/7/4

just be sure to avoid eating any wendy's chili, identity theft is a problem you need to be wary of, but if you use RAID5 you should be fine.

you may want to also consider mirroring the data to both hands and feet. shoes are important to maintaining data integrity, on toenails. i believe a good manecure and pedicure will increase the write speeds, but that technique is also listed by the NSA as the official method to purge this storage medium, so you should remember to re-write the data afterwards. also be sure to always dispose of nail clippings in different locations, i reccomend subways for guarenteed dispersal and data hiding.

you may encounter some performance hits when using RAID5 during your flight to freedom from NYC, but hopefully you wont be accessing the data much when this situation occurs.

and if you didnt consider keeping all your info on an iPod shuffle with an audio will & testament and comments to loved ones then in the worst case scenario you could atleast have some kickin tunes when the zombies come chasing after you.

hrm....

[Aradorn]

Sounds like a really good business to start up. An online place where you can store personal information on protected servers. Have everything encrpyted when its uploaded and stored on servers. Then to retrieve the information you have to call or something. er well it sounded like a good idea at first =)

Computer Acess?

[dclaw]

Would it not be better to simply keep a set of laminated copies of all those documents? In the case that you don't have access to a computer when you need it? There isn't always going to be a Kinko's or internet cafe nearby when you're in the midst of a terrorist attack or natural disaster the magnitude of which you are speaking.

Re:Computer Acess?

[Sometimes_Rational]

If they want my laptop, they'll have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands.

If somehow that manages to get lost, anyone who is going to offer assistance that would require proof of identity is going to have a reasonably late-model computer with USB ports.

As for laminated copies, they have no security at all, and when you think of the stuff you'd need, you could
carry dozens of USB drives more conveniently. In fact, that's a good idea--having several drives with the info would provide a good level of redundancy.

Re:Computer Acess?

[HalfStarted]

The other thing to keep in mind is that the USB key is a suplement to the original paper documents. Paper documents stack up fast and are not things that are conducive to picking up and running with in a hurry. Idealy they are properly and safely stored in a fire box at the least if not a floor safe or a safe deopsit box.

When the shit hits the fan they will have a fair chance of making it through but you might have to take off for a while until the situation calms down... or you may be away from home... or home may become a smoking pile of rubble...

In those cases the original documents may not be accessable or even in a safe location may end up destroyed. In that case copies are your friend. Highly portable copies are even better... that is what makes the USB or DVR idea attractive... once you collect the files there isn't anything that prevents you from putting a copy in the safe with the original documents... a copy in your bug-out bag and a copy in your normal commute bag.

Maybe it is because I was a boy scout... maybe it is just because I am a geek and we tend to get in to planning for things like this... but I have 3 kits.

A fairly extensive kit for sheltering in place at home that will keep me quite happy for about 14 days.

A bug-out bag that lives in the trunk of my car. If I have to go in a hurry I can just run. It is portable so if I had to leave the car I could still bring it with me with out being overly encumbered, it will keep me comfortable for about 5 days with out external support or a motel with room service.

A micro kit that lives in my daily commute bag. Nobody wants to have an 80lb backpack with them all the time, but it is still a good idea to have some minimum items with you... micro first aid kit... flash light... radio... leatherman charge... snacky kinda food / emergency food bars... It would be pretty spartan but with some water it would keep me going long enough to get home or to my car. I really should keep a bottle of water in my commute bag but I keep drinking it.

Re:Computer Acess?

[Lumpy]

A friend of mine does this. he has a business card sized card he prints on the 2400dpi laser printer here at work in 2 point font. (yes it is readable with a magnifier) with all his important info on it. important phone numbers, addresses, etc.. he does not put CC numbers on it as that is a pretty darn stupid thing to do. Come on, if you dont have your wallet who the hell is going to let you use a credit card number? he add's lots of neat info on it and laminates it for his wallet. Updating it maybe 3 times a year.

Low tech, more useful in an emergency than any "thumb drive" that requires a working computer to read it.

He recently made a new second card with a shrunken map of the bus stops/train stops on the high res color printer. pretty darn cool stuff.

now only if I could figure out how to make a microfishe I could cram more information on a card than he can.

It's all about accessing that information when you need it. and I am betting you will not have a computre available when you need to access it during a major emergency.

Or....

[cdn2k1]

You could kill two birds with one stone, and get an iPod. That way you will not only have all of your important stuff, but you'll be able to groove to some sweet tunes while looting and pillaging.

Re:Or....

[Anonymous Coward]

while looting and pillaging

"Searching for food," if you're white.

Why save it locally at all?

[thisissilly]

Why not just email all that to yourself in a gmail account? Holds 2.5GB and counting, and you can get to it from anywhere. No need to worry about taking it along with you.

Re:Why save it locally at all?

[Chimera512]

because in the event of a "leave nyc forever" caliber event, you have no idea where the hell google's gmail servers are geographically. and then google has all your personal data. that seems like a pretty terrible idea from a security standpoint, even if it is encrypted. nothing's completely unbreakable. if you're leaving on foot, take paper copies of everything, tape it to your chests so your bodies could theoretically be ID'ed if you were to die (we're talking hyptohetically, lets go all the way) i'd be way more worreid about water purification, food, and the ability to cover enough ground on foot to get away form the disaster before you run out of food and water. if you're a typical person i don't htink you're going to be doing more then 20 miles a day with plenty of food, and that's being generous. do you have shelter? i'd suggest a water proof pack from granite gear that weighs 1.5 pounds without anything in it. that's what i'm brining when the shit hits the fan and we're all dead.

Re:Why save it locally at all?

[damiam]

you have no idea where the hell google's gmail servers are geographically. and then google has all your personal data. that seems like a pretty terrible idea from a security standpoint, even if it is encrypted. nothing's completely unbreakable.

I know enough about Google's servers to know that they have many datacenters, spread out around the world, with redundant backups. While I wouldn't ever trust anything completely to them, I think a GMailed file would have a better chance of surviving a disaster than a USB drive in your closet. As for encryption, it may be that nothing's unbreakable, but it gets pretty damn close. I don't anticipate anyone willing to spend billions of dollars and millions of years to crack my bank account number.

Re:Why save it locally at all?

[jigyasubalak]

>even if it is encrypted. nothing's completely unbreakable.

This arguements that "nothing's completely unbreakable" seldom fails to sicken me.
Why do you think that some unscrupulous google employee is going to spend even five minutes to browse through 1000s of emails of some tom.dick.harry@gmail.com account to find crucial personal data. That's some serious Narcicus Syndrome you are going thru buddy. Grow up!

Re:Why save it locally at all?

[squoozer]

I agree with almost everything you say except the bit about encryption not being unbreakable. While I admit that in theory all current encryption schemes are breakable it is easy to encrypt something so that it is for all intents and purposes unbreakable without the key. Of course this assumes that there isn't a flaw in the encryption method and that nobody has built a quantum computer naturally. The first could be partially overcome by multiply encrypting the data with different methods - thus requireing a flaw to be found in each.

Anyway that's beside the point. The OP must be on crack or something. If the disaster is so big one of the worlds leading cities is never inhabitable again the guy, his wife and everyone they know is probably dead anyway. What the point planning for a situation you can't hope to live though. You might as well just enjoy the here and now. As for saving your CC numbers - hahahahha = like anyone will accept credit cards. You might be able to barter with food and water but that's about it.

Personally I would take water purification tablets and a 5 * 1 litre bottles of water as my number one thing to pack (more if I have space). After that I would pack low salt high energy food + a small pot of salt (allows you to replace salt when you need it rather than every time you eat). Some sturdy cloth would be useful as it would be easy to rig up a crude filter if you have to drink muddy water (at least the water will be free from bigger bits and the purification tablets will see to the rest - last resort though as "purified" water is horrible). A few boxes of matches sealed in plastic bags would be good as well as a really big coat. And finally, an assortment of large sturdy knives and a hand axe. No where in my list of essentials would I include a USB flash drive.

Re:Why save it locally at all?

[Jamu]

One way to waterproof a box of matches is to pour melted wax into the box and wait for it to set. When you need a match, just pick one out (The rest, naturally, remain waterproof in case you drop the box.) and rub off the wax.

Re:Why save it locally at all?

[nsasch]

There's a 1 over infinity percent chance that it will take that long. And a 50% chance that it would take _only_ 75 trillion years. There are about 190 million computers in the US as of 2002. We can assume there are 500 million computers world wide now. It takes 3600 computers to crack a DES key in a second. We can halve 149 trillion 17 times. Using all of the worlds computers it would only take 4.5 billion years to crack a simple 128-bit AES key. Assuming your source (US government) is correct, and my estimations and calculations weren't off too much, my first comment was very wrong. Thank you for informing me.

Brute forcing...

[Anonymous Coward]

Tatoo your wife with the decryption key.

Just watch out for people trying to "brute force" your wife.

Re:Brute forcing...

[Cruciform]

Brute force? A little social engineering works wonders.

"More wine, dear?"

Re:Brute forcing...

[Anonymous Coward]

Personally I prefer a man in the middle attack, but people tell me I'm kinky...

Re:Brute forcing...

[Anonymous Coward]

I have a feeling not everyone wants backdoor encryption either...

Life on a USB drive

[springbox]

Consider putting it on a tough drive. I personally use the Cruzer Titanium. It's made from a light weight "space age" metal unlike most cheapo thin or thick plastic drives. "Crush force exceeds 2000 lbs" they claim.

Also for my private data, I have a TrueCrypt volume on the drive so that in case someone gets their hands on it, my not so public data will be safe.

If you're actually intending to put your LIFE on it though also consider a backup strategy so you won't lose everything when your drive falls off your keychain and into the sewer where it's eaten by technologically advanced rodents.

Use Truecrypt for encryption

[Faxmaster]

Use Truecrypt (www.truecrypt.org). It's free, open source, and extremely secure (AES, Blowfish, CAST5, Serpent, Triple DES, and Twofish). I use it on my thumbdrive to backup all of my important data.

Cloned start-up drive

[G4from128k]

I've cloned my start-up drive and all my files onto a 250 GB firewire drive (and several bare IDE HDs stashed in strategic locations). Given that I can order a new computer by 2 AM Eastern and have it delivered the same morning, I can be back in business in no time. I like cloned drives because you can retain all the OS and user preferences.

Re:Cloned start-up drive

[nCnt]

It never ceases to amaze me when people include venders in their disaster recover plan. Do you think NewEgg is going to give a rat's ass about Timmy, who needs a new PC sent to refugee camp #14, north of the big smoldering crater, when Citi Bank, State Farm, the National Guard,... are ordering hardware in blocks of 100 and paying 10 times market value.

I've heard the same distorted, egocentric behavior from IT managers in DRP meetings over and over. Back up in 24 hours my ass.

Re:The guy who grabs your USB key chain...

[tonyz2k]

That's why you should use the plausible deniability built into TrueCrypt. Giving the attacker the password to the outer volume (who has been robbed at knifepoint for a USB memory device? that'll be the day..), and they still still have no idea an entire volume of your real data is hiding in the noise that is the freespace of the aforementioned outer volume. the outer volume needs to be FAT and it can have innocuous stuff on there like fake financial documents.. Enjoy!

Re:stick it on the web

[TGK]

Meant partly in jest to be sure, but not a bad idea overall. Gmail provides a hell of a lot of (presumably) RAIDed to hell and back storage. That said, it's also probably stored somewhere in San Fransisco... so if you live there, that probably isn't your best bet.

If you live in New York though, it's a good alternitive. The only kind of problems that I can think of that would make you need to flee New York and make data stored in San Fransisco irretreivable are the sort of problems after which you don't need your identity anyway.

contents

[egburr]

Here's what I can think of off the top of my head...

Social Security cards
Driver's licenses
Recent photos, head only and full body (clothed!)
Passports
Contact info of relatives, friends
Vehicle registration
Birth certificates
Wedding license
Property deeds
Will
Living will
Account and contact information: banks, credit cards, utilities, insurance (health, house, car), mortgages, loans

Re:contents

[MickLinux]

Add in diplomas, as many different PDF resumes as jobs you might be interested in, 1 PDF CV each, baptismal certificates... ... working copies of MS Word and MS Excel, a simple text editor, Acrobat Reader, viruses, worms, trojan horses, Windows .DLL files, and ...

all of which leads me to the following question.

Why not just upload encrypted versions of this info to your YAHOO mail, and have it there in a folder "personal stuff", as attachments? That way, you don't depend on just the USB drive? Yeah, the USB would also be good for redundancy, but the easiest access is probably by YAHOO mail, and it automatically scans for malware as it goes.

Re:contents

[Dan East]

I'd also include the following.

• Street-level maps of the city and surrounding regions.
  
• Medical history, for those with medical issues.
  
• Any actual medications that have a decent enough shelf life to store for a while.
  
• A pair of contacts or glasses if you need them.
  
• Dust mask (at least).
  
• Minimal first aid kit.
  
• As an amateur radio operator I would definitely have a repeater guide to access repeaters while traveling. It's a sure thing the cell service will be down or overloaded. I'd also include a small wide-band receive transceiver, like the Yaesu VX-2R.
  
• You know those kinetic flashlights we see advertised here at Slashdot by ThinkGeek all the time? Definitely one of those.
  
• Ditto with a human-powered radio.
  
• Some sort of food (granola bars at least).
  
• A water purifier. There are water purifiers that are like a thick straw. You can put it in any water source and as you suck water through the "straw" it is purified.
  
• A couple "space blankets".
  
• A hard-copy of War of the Worlds. Putting it on the USB drive doesn't count.
  
  
  Dan East

Re:contents

[griffjon]

For most of these documents, I don't think a scanned copy is going to do jack shit for you.

Scenario A: The world is totally fucked -- having a scan of your 8 year old DL and passport, plus three litres of pure water, can trade for a pack of smokes.

Scenario B: The world's fine, but your house is destroyed -- w00t. You have a scanned copy of your passport. Try to use that anywhere. Try to use a scanned copy of your birth certificate to get a new passport. Ain't nuthin doin. Maybe --MAYBE-- if there's some change in rules to enable similar people in your situation, but since most of 'em won't have scanned copies anyhow, what's the point?

The real lesson here is not to digitize and encrypt your documents, but to keep them in a centralized location in your house (preferably that's small, waterproof, and fireproof), so you can grab 'em in a hurry, and/or if you have to leave them (at work when the shit hits the fan?), they have a decent chance of survival.

Re:contents

[DerekLyons]

[snip list of documents]

All neat stuff, all very valuable - but in a scanned form of absolutely zero legal validity.

The real answer isn't techno-wizardry and gadgetry - it's organization and clear thinking. All of my important documents are on paper, in ziplocs, and under lock and key in fire-resistant storage. (And unlike the NYT article implies - I'll have the presence of mind to grab the papers before departing. OTOH, unlike the average citizen I'm trained to keep my head on in a life threatening emergency courtesy of Uncle Sam's Canoe Club.)

Safe Deposit Box?

[LlamaDragon]

Technology isn't the answer to everything. Why not just take your important stuff, or good copies of said stuff, and put it in a safe deposit box? Then you just have to take your key with you when you run out of your house. And even if you lose your key, they can drill it open for a (hefty) fee.

Really, why make it so complex by trying to put everything on USB drive and trying to figure out what encryption's best and scanning everything and...and...and... It's a waste of time.

Re:Safe Deposit Box?

[DownTheLongRoad]

We are having problems with this in New Orleans. Many of the local banks were in 8 feet of water, well aboe the highest boxes in the vaults. A disaster hits those places as well. If the building holding the safe deposit box is ruined, you won't be able to get to your box for a long time and your things may be ruined as well.

Re:If you're swimming...

[Red Alastor]

I forgot my USB drive in my pocket before washing my pants once. It survived without any problem. :)

I like TrueCrypt...

[jbarr]

It's for Windows only, but I stumbled upon TrueCrypt found at http://www.truecrypt.org/ and really like it. And it's not only useful for USB drives, but can be used to create encrypted logical drives on a Hard Drive. For the really paranoid, the documentation even covers lots of stealthy ways to use it so as not to be detected.

I'm certainly no expert at encryption, but it seems pretty solid. Basically, it creates an encrypted container file and then mounts it as a logical drive when you open the file through the app. I've seen commercial counterparts such as StealthDisk, and I think TrueCrypt's interface is easier to use and its execution is more solid.

It's OSS and free as in beer and as in speech.

Re:The guy who grabs your USB key chain...

[shmergin]

You realise that you are posting on slashdot? "OK take it! Just don't puncture blow up betty!"

Why a flash drive?

[Wonko]

they suggest making a list of all of things like Social Security and credit card numbers, scanning birth certificates, marriage license and tax returns, and saving it all on a USB flash drive.

Why not just use a CD (full size, or 180 meg)? They are cheaper and more durable than a flash drive. Before I had my new, larger, flash drive I used to carry a 50 meg business card CD in my wallet. It would have to be replaced every 3-6 months from being repeatedly sat on :). I would imagine they would hold up better outside of the pocket, though :).

Since this would be a complete identity kit, encryption is of utmost importance. What's the best solution? A flash drive that claims to encrypt or a platform-independent, self-extracting, encrypted file on a regular drive?

I wouldn't use the software that comes with the drive. If I were doing this I would use GNU Privacy Guard. You should probably store the key in a safe location far away from home, and preferably with a strong passphrase.

Any suggestions for sturdy drives?

I currently have a PQI I-Stick. I have only had it about a year so far and I haven't doen anything stupid with it yet. It mostly just sits in my wallet in its little wallet case. I very much prefer keeping my flash drive in my wallet as opposed to my keychain. I also like that the little wallet insert will hold two drive. The only thing I dislike is that the wallet holder is so much thicker than the drive.

What other data would you put on this piece of "contingency hardware",

I have all of my revision control repositories mirrored to my flash drive and also any documentation or notes that I write. That is basically everything that I created myself and would have to do work to replace.

how would you protect the drive itself in case you did have to "swim for it"?

I would probably make sure the data was out of town before I was. Most of this data either doesn't change often (credit card numbers), or it never changes (SSN, birth certificates). Encrypt it, put it on some media of some sort, and send it out of town. Most people probably have friends or family living out of town that they can trust, send it to them. If this is not an option for you, you can probably get a box at a bank out of town I suppose...

Lots of missing information...

[rcbarnes]

How immediate is the need for access to the information? The stronger the solution, the slower the access for the most part. Something that needs to be immediately accessable will need to be bundled with proper decryption tools (assume nothing better than Windows 95 will be available) on-stick.

Also related: what operating system are you using? Under Linux, you could use a loopback encrypted filesystem, for example, but under windows such would not be viable.

Are we assuming that the computer will be destroyed, or that we need to stick to a pure-RAM access system to prevent residue on the hard drive from being intercepted?

Are you willing to trust a corperate product for ease-of-use concerns?

Finally, how are you securing your original documents? Might it just be as easy to grab an organized safe-box as keep all the digital security on a digital form? Keep in mind that only origial copies are good for anything beyond having a reference point to start receiveing replacement copies of your stuff.

One more thing: How much of this is overkill? Keep in mind how cheap and simple it is to acquire copies of an arbitrary person's complete identifying information (I often see ways to do it under two hundred dollars, including original copies of all the usual certificates and plastic cards, which would cost less for a professional). A chain is only as strong as its weakest link, and in this case, with just some reasonable precaution, the path of least cost and difficulty is through more common means of aqusition than stealing a thumbdrive.

Re:stick it on the web

[Aradorn]

they have a Data center in ATL and one in Virginia (IIRC)

Homeland Security has web site for you!

[rufusdufus]

Homeland security has a website called www.ready.gov that has built a whole website about preparing for emergencies. They also have an Emergency Financial First Aid Kit that includes a nice form that consolidates all the personal information you might need in order to get financial services in an emergency.

After getting the basic emergency kit ready, fill out and print this form and put it in your kit. Then, encrypt it and put save on internet, maybe mail it to your gmail account.

Multiple copies

[3770]

Assuming that your stuff is encrypted it should be pretty safe to put it almost anywhere.

1) Keep the latest copy on your iPod (or equivalent) if you tend to carry it all the time. That way you have it with you in case you can't go home.
2) Buy an extra USB drive and snail-mail it to your parents out in the boonies for safe keeping.
3) E-Mail it to yourself on Gmail or equivalent. But then I would double dog encrypt it. You may not want to put your most secret information there. But some of things could certainly go on there.

I would put all my ID stuff on there, all important papers and contracts, passport. Thumbprints and pictures of each other for the dreadful prospect that you may have to ID each other, or post pictures in the news paper for your partner. If you have any particular features such as a birth mark or a tatoo then it might be clever to take a picture of that as well. Medical records potentially. But you could also walk around and take pictures of your home for insurance purposes. All your important phone numbers and addresses to relatives.

If you are collecting all this information then you may want to invest the money in a fireproof safe as well.

Man, I didn't mean to sound so alarmist. I just thought it was a really great question.

Just Plain Stupid

[Hosiah]

What kind of an inane question is this? You don't need any kind of encryption scheme at all. Take the social security card out of your wallet and look at it. It isn't encrypted, is it? Is your birth certificate encrypted? Stock certificates? Deed to your house? Mail from your Life Insurance Company? Driver's License? Sam's Club Card? Whining Yuppies' Guild Gold Membership Card?

As others have pointed, more politely than I think they needed to, "In case of a nuclear war, nobody's going to give a damn." You'll be struggling just to live. So will everybody around you. Nobody's going to give a damn about your stupid keychain drive with the password to all your porno-sites on it. And if you make it to a part of civilization where you actually get to *use* the damn thing for it's intended purpose, being to recover your life's data, you'll be lucky to find somebody's computer with a compatible document format to read it, let alone figure out how to recover the data from your ultra-secure storage method.

Get a LIFE!

Re:Just Plain Stupid

[jotux]

Maybe no one will give a damn if NYC gets nuked. But if someone breaks into your house and steals the box you keep all your documents in, that would suck. And what if the city has an earthquake and he's evacuated for a few months. If he takes a drive with him for employment/reference/historical purposes and loses it, that would also suck.

And the reason your social security card/birth certificate/stock certificate aren't encrypted....because you're supposed to keep them in a safe place. Like a safe. So it's only logical that if you want to make them portable in case of emergency, you want to store them in a secure way.

Re:Just Plain Stupid

[Rirath.com]

ou don't need any kind of encryption scheme at all. Take the social security card out of your wallet and look at it. It isn't encrypted, is it?

How about we reverse this and wonder why our credit cards and other valuable information AREN'T more secure, so that life wouldn't suck so bad when you lose your wallet/purse. Thankfully, some companies are starting to wise up, but many things are still way too vulnerable.

Re:Just Plain Stupid

[Anonymous Coward]

Okay, you're both an idiot and an asshole. Congratulations.

Nobody said anything about a nuclear war, you fucking moron. Nobody's really afraid of a nuclear war any more. What people are afraid of, and with good reason, are things like hurricanes, tsunamis and 9/11s. In the case of a hurricane, you'll have several days' notice; in the case of a tsunami, you'll have hours. In the case of a 9/11, you'll have no warning at all, but if you're a survivor you might want or need to get out of town after the fact. If the attack includes a nuclear or radiological component, you might need to get out of town in order to be safe.

Hurricane Katrina taught like five million people to be prepared. Here's a guy who's trying to be prepared, and your upbraiding him? You fucking moron. You motherfucking moron.

Re:Encryption (blowfish)

[lemonjelo]

echo '123...testing...123' > test.txt
openssl enc -bf < test.txt > test.txt.bf
mv test.txt test.txt.orig
openssl enc -d -bf < test.txt.bf > test.txt
diff test.txt.orig test.txt

Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack...

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't know where you people get these wacky ideas. EMP is a myth, propagated by science fiction and kept alive by idiots like yourself.

The theoretical electromagnetic pulse effect would hypothetically be created by a multimegaton nuclear explosion in suborbital space in which a massive burst of hard radiation interacts with the upper atmosphere. This is pure science fiction.

In real life, the electrical-magnetic coupling effect of a hard radiation burst from a nuclear explosion is all absorbed by the stuff -- buildings, people, air --within the actual blast radius itself. Meaning that if your computer is close enough to a nuclear detonation to be harmed by a voltage spike from an electrical-magnetic couple effect, you will be very disappointed for however many milliseconds it takes for your computer to be reduced to atoms by the blast.

Re:stick it on the web

[Nrbelex]

I'm willing to bet Gmail isn't stored in a single location and Google has some sort of backup storage location.

non-magnetic copy [Re:They tend to be pretty tough

[saitoh]

Hadn't thought of the otterbox (nice idea, makes sense). If your really trying to prep for something like this, consider making a non-magnetic copy also. While the odds of an EMP type disaster killing the drive (especially if stashed in a safe place) are slim, so are the odds of a nuclear disaster I guess.

Consider burning it to a CDR also. This is stuff that might have to be updated once a year (such as deeds or photos/contacts) anyway, so its not like the age of the media and deterioration will be a big problem.

A rule of thumb I've learned is that if your planning for stuff that occurs more then 2 standard deviations away from the mean, then chances are you want something that is (or can at least be considered virtually) full-proof. At the very least, the odds of all of the combined methods together have a lesser chance of failing then the original threat does of occuring.

I got the power

[Quiet_Desperation]

My wife and I figure that if we plan for the worst, it'll never happen,

Ah. Scientologists.

Re:stick it on the web

[Deekin_Scalesinger]

What sort of problems? Like nuclear war, or more like volcanos in the Midwest? Perhaps a widespread plague? OR global warming a la Day After Tomorrow? All of the above would be really really bad...

wash away

[marcushnk]

I've had 4 of my 512 mb usb mem key's go through the wash dozens of times.. :-) no problems there at all :-)

Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack...

[pyrrhonist]

The theoretical electromagnetic pulse effect would hypothetically be created by a multimegaton nuclear explosion in suborbital space in which a massive burst of hard radiation interacts with the upper atmosphere. This is pure science fiction.

If it's pure science fiction, then why does the U.S. MILSTAR/NESP communication system have an operation mode for just such a scenario?

This is called "scintillation", and is very real.

Family photos.

[OgGreeb]

When they interview many of the Katrina NOLA refugees, a common regret is that they've lost family pictures. At this point there is no reason not to start scanning paper-based photos in high-resolution. I've been pursuing a long term project of scanning documents, family photos, certificates and so on -- and making two sets of copies of the DVD archives. One set goes to a safe-deposit box and the other gets sent out of state to a relative in Ohio (I'm in Maryland). Each disk has a printed list of contents attached to it.

Apart from my wanting these images to survive, they are an important part of my children's and my extended family's legacy.

Doing the samething only different

[olddotter]

(How is that for confusing titles?)

I have been thinking about encryption options for files on a USB drive for a slightly different reason. I want to keep finical info like tax returns, investment records, etc. on a USB drive for the reason that if my box does get compromised then the stuff that could REALLY f%&k me over will not be on it. The basic idea is there is data I want to store digitally, but I don't want it on a computer that is connected to the internet 24/7.

So I'm really naive about encryption options and would like my data to be readable on Linux, OS X, and Windows at minimum. What options do I have besides a password protected zipfile? Are password protected zipfiles encrypted using the password as the key?

How reliable are USB drives? How many backups should I make?

Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack...

[Tharn]

Indeed it IS real. The same thing happens from such mundane phenomenon as lightning to a lesser extent. My work used to involve design of systems connected across as much as much as 20 miles by cables and repeaters. EMP (if you want to call it that) from lightning was occasionally a very serious design issue. IIRC, expected EMP from an high altitude nuclear device is expected to be on the order of 1000 times the magnitude of our problems with lightning. 'course, the above neither proves nor even adresses the reality of nuclear EMP - its just meant to sound like it does.

Re:contents -- Wear Glasses or Contacts?

[rjune]

Don't forget a recent copy of your prescription.

In case of emergency, scream...

[HaloZero]

My ideal 'out' kit;

My personal records are scanned in high-res PDF format and kept on a jumpdrive. Identicals are kept with both of my parents on identical hardware, and my grandmother holds the originals. (This includes my birth certificate, my SSN card, my high school diploma, last 3 years of 1040 forms, my insurance policies, my driver's license, my EMS certification, and a few odd bills here and there for 'proof of residence'.)

I keep a backpack packed with a dry pair of pants, fresh socks, two t-shirts, a sweatshirt, a bright orange-and-yellow 'RESCUE ME' vest, emergency self-inflating flotation device (rated to 225 lbs), 4L of drinking water, 6 MREs, a space-warmer blanket, air-activated hand-warmers, a flashlight, batteries, sweedish-firesteel, 600$ cash, a rescue strobe light, a leatherman, a wide-band two-way radio and scanner, a GPS reciever, a universal hand-crank charger, a map, a compass, pencil, paper, an emergency contact card, and the aforementioned USB keychain.

It's not a huge bag, one just has to know how to pack. I do not live in the countryside by any means, but I travel through such areas often, and you never really know where you're going to end up if you need help quickly.

I also keep a proper EMS bag (affectionately known as the 'blue bag') in my trunk, as well as a large ammocan with more space blankets, MREs and fresh drinking water. The assumption is that I'm not alone in the car, and we have to create a shelter-in-place.

Worse-comes-to-worse, eat someone.

Re:In case of emergency, scream...

[CagedBear]

That's all good and well, but without a Smith and Wesson one of your fellow disaster victims is going to become the proud new owner of:

a backpack packed with a dry pair of pants, fresh socks, two t-shirts, a sweatshirt, a bright orange-and-yellow 'RESCUE ME' vest, emergency self-inflating flotation device (rated to 225 lbs), 4L of drinking water, 6 MREs, a space-warmer blanket, air-activated hand-warmers, a flashlight, batteries, sweedish-firesteel, 600$ cash, a rescue strobe light, a leatherman, a wide-band two-way radio and scanner, a GPS reciever, a universal hand-crank charger, a map, a compass, pencil, paper, an emergency contact card, and the aforementioned USB keychain.

Re:In case of emergency, scream...

[VAXcat]

I agree as well. To paraphrase Machiavelli, Survival necessities can't always get you a gun...but a gun can always get you survival necessities...

Re:stick it on the web

[scbysnx]

if there's an issue where you have to flee new york and servers are down in sf.. your data is useless at that point

Obligatory HHGG reference...

[Anonymous Coward]

when the competition started lobbing warheads at us I would tender my resignation.

At the publishing headquarters building of the Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy:

"The building's being bombed!" -Roosta

"Wha....Who would want to bomb a publishing company?!?" -Zaphod

"Another publishing company." -Marvin the Paranoid Android

Ruggedizing the media

[CupBeEmpty]

I have done a fair amount of canoeing/rafting and have some wilderness medical training so the need to keep important things dry and protected is something that I have had some experience with. I have been most happy with this hard case it is completely waterproof and you can see what's in it (this is actually useful). It is also fairly small which is nice. I recently went to Africa so I wanted to be able to communicate. I was able to pick upa quad band mobile phone (as well as a satellite phone), which worked well in cities and surprisingly far out into the bush.

The phone and charger fit well inside the case along with a small knife/multitool, and laminated (and shruken) copies of all of my important documents (visa, passport, list of important contacts). It would not be hard at all to fit all of that and a small USB drive in that space. The hardcase is also a better bet than something soft for really important stuff. In a wilderness/emrgency situation you really want to make sure than any gear you do take with you is protected. Also the hard copies of the documents is a hugely good idea in an emergecy where computer availability could be scarce/swamped.

There are a lot of waterproof bags and cases, and they all tend to be well reviewd by people that beat the hell out of them (outdoor enthuisits). I higly reccomend a small hard case over a soft case for electronics. If you do your homework its pretty much a no brainer. Also if you are really serious make sure to test the gear. Put some toilet paper in it and dunk it in water, beat the hell out of it, leave it outside when its cold and hot. That way you can see how much it takes to pop open a case underwater or what conditions cause condensation etc. Then you will really know if your protection works.

In 1983 I came to the US with no records

[Anonymous Coward]

I managed to eacape from an East European country without anything, no passport, no PhD, DSc certificates or any other documents. Months later I managed to come to the US. After many unsuccsessful attempts to find an academic job, I eventually managed to get hired by a small university based only on the testimonies of three fellow American scientists who met me before and knew my work and a few photocopies of some of my publications.

Records are not always necessary, good, generous people can help you.

durability

[ecloud]

Flash can survive being submersed just fine as long as you dry it out before using it. But the USB flash drives seem likely to get mechanically messed up because of the way they stick out. I didn't get to use mine that long before it got pried the wrong direction by accident and went "crunch," so now I just use CF and SD cards. Of course, if you don't use it a lot, only often enough to keep the documents up-to-date, maybe it won't be a problem.

Transflash or SmartMedia would be sturdier. But SmartMedia is obsolete and transflash is so small that it's very easy to lose.

You could just store the docs on your cellphone and plan not to lose it, or store on a memory card which is in your cell phone. But then the memory will get used more and be more subject to wearing out.

iButtons are about the sturdiest format there is, and they have encrypted ones too, but they don't have enough memory for much data. There are also flash-based smart cards you could keep in your wallet. But neither of those is common enough - it's hard to find a reader for them, harder than finding a usb port anyway. Smartcards _should_ be standard equipment for securely storing all your passwords and personal info, but it hasn't caught on, mostly because of paranoia about "big brother" or "mark of the beast" or identity theft or some such.

Maybe you could pop open an SD card, fill the empty space with epoxy and put it back together. It would probably be more durable that way. Or, do the same with a USB drive. Or use the SD card by itself most of the time, and keep a compact new USB SD reader in your knapsack.

Yeah somebody should be manufacturing a really tiny usb key that has encrypted flash, implements some smart-card-like protocols for partitioning information with different keys, and sticks out of the port less than 1 cm, and is very sturdy. Having it stick out less would reduce the leverage when it gets bumped against something.

Another very sturdy flash drive

[frazzydee]

Another great flash drive if you're looking for something sturdy, is the "Corsair Flash Voyager". It was rated 8/10 on the Ars Technica flash drive roundup [arstechnica.com], and it is actually encased in rubber.

While this may not have the rock hard connotations of words like "Titanium", it is an excellent choice if the sturdiness of the drive is important. You can throw it against walls, bounce it on floors, and even submerge it in a glass of water and it will still work! While I don't actually have first-hand experience of this, it seems very possible if it is completely encased in rubber.

Of course, actually doing this probably isn't recommended, but if this does happen to the drive, it will still work. While it doesn't get any points for its looks, it is probably one of the best drives out there if you're concerned about how much abuse it can take!

Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack...

[keraneuology]

I don't know where you people get these wacky ideas. EMP is a myth, propagated by science fiction and kept alive by idiots like yourself.

Let's start out with:

The existence of the electromagnetic pulse has been known since the 1940's when nuclear weapons were being developed and tested. However, because of lack of data, the effects of an EMP were not fully known until 1962. At this time, the United States was conducting a series of high-altitude atmospheric tests, code named "Fishbowl." The nuclear explosion, "Starfish Prime," which was detonated in the Pacific Ocean 800 miles from Hawaii, caused an EMP that disrupted radio stations and electrical equipment throughout Hawaii. Consequently, in 1963, the United States and the Soviet Union signed the Atmospheric Test Ban Treaty to counter the considerable threat posed by EMPs. Unfortunately, the destructive potential of an EMP increases everyday as society becomes evermore technological because of an escalating dependence on electronics.

Don't forget to review the US Army Corps of Engineers.

You can google and wiki more on your own.

Re:Encryption (blowfish)

[SpaceLifeForm]

echo '123...testing...123' > test.txt ; openssl enc -bf test.txt.bf ; mv test.txt test.txt.orig ; openssl enc -d -bf test.txt ; diff test.txt.orig test.txt

Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack...

[Your Pal Dave]

I don't know where you people get these wacky ideas. EMP is a myth, propagated by science fiction and kept alive by idiots like yourself.

EMP effects were observed at a distance of 1500 km during the Starfish Prime test blast. Quoting the linked article:

the EMP created by the explosion was felt as three hundred street lights failed, television sets and radios malfunctioned, burglar alarms went off and power lines fused.

This was in 1962, so we're talking about vacuum tubes and electro-mechanical systems. Modern semiconductors would be significantly more sensitive to EMP effects.

My objection to the article:

[kfg]

It is entirely focused on records. This is the information age, right? So we need our personal information to survive, right? As I've already posted the information might well turn out to be important, and you should make sure you have it, but if Katrina taught anybody anything it's that papers don't insure your survival. You can't eat your papers (although when things get really, really sticky you might be able to trade them for food).

What you really need in that pack:

A good, sturdy pocket knife. Not a Swiss Army jobber. A single blade, like are sold to hunters. Metal, not ceramic.

A metal spoon.

Cheap chopsticks.

Do not, literally upon pain of death, use any other utensils than these to prepare or eat your food if you can at all avoid it. Make it a religion to keep them clean and sanitary.

Strike anywhere matches in a waterproof safe.

A firestarting piston. Use this before you resort to using your matches. Learn how to use it before you leave home.

A personal water filter.

A bottle of alcohol. 190 proof vodka is 190% better than the stuff from the drugstore. Make it yourself if you have to. Learn about cold distilling if you want to take the long, but easy way.

A few ounces of honey is nice to have along, but this is the most dangerous stuff in the pack. Think hard about it before including it. You can eat it if you have to, but that's not what it's here for.

Aspirin.

Antihistimines.

Any other drugs you personally need to stay alive. If you really need Prozac or Valium to stay alive, plan on dying.

A homemade soda can stove.

A mini roll of duct tape.

5 pounds of gorp. If tightly rationed this well feed you for a week.

An "Emergency Blanket."

Ziploc Baggies (These last two items are the only survival gear of note invented in the 20th century).

A camelback water resevior recently filled with known good water.

100 feet of parachute cord. Learn how to tie knots before you need to.

Wool cloth. Two shirtweight peices 45"X 72". One heavier weight 60"X108". These are your clothes, your hammok, your chair, your carryall, your. . .

Learn how to use them as such before you need to. Do not be tempted to substitute cotton for wool to save money. The savings could kill you. Not in a pleasant way either.

Two pair of wool socks.

Three yards of 36" wide cotton could come in hand as well. This is your hat, your belt, your shoulder bag, your sling, your . . .

A waterproof, windproof shell. Yes, even if you're in a tropical zone.

A pennywhistle. Yes, I'm dead serious about that one. Learn how to play it a bit before you leave home. Even better, also learn how to make a pennywhistle out of any tubular thing you can find, before you need to.

If you expect to stay "civilized". . .money. If you don't, more gorp. When push comes to shove people will trade you nearly anthing for food. Money weighs less than gorp though. If you have your choice don't stay civilized. Head for the woods. Cities are a barren desert when it comes to survival. The woods have everything you need to survive (these days even including manufactured items, more's the pity). Cities often do not. Cities are also full people. Being full of people stretches resources so they don't have things in 'em anymore. People are also nasty sumbitches who will hit you over the head and take your precious personal information, encrypted or not (they don't find out how well you encrypted your information until after they have hit you on the head).

Two weeks with me showing you how to combine all this stuff with stuff you can find anywhere (like pebbles), especially in a disaster zone, otherwise you're just going to be in deep shit within an hour anyway.

Time with me is limited. Start poking around the internet for this information now. For God's sake, learn to take care of yourself. Any baby cockroach can do it. Your brain is bigger. Learn to use it for somthing other than tracking your stock portfolio.

KFG

Re:My objection to the article:

[TheoMurpse]

It's killing me to know why the honey is the most dangerous thing in the pack, and what it's really in the pack for, if not for food. Attracting animals to kill? Can you commit suicide with honey? What?

Re:My objection to the article:

[kfg]

. . .what's the honey for?

It's a topical antibacterial. Even when push comes to shove I don't recommend eating Neosporin. When you have a choice between packing something you can eat and something you can't, go with the thing you can eat. Native Americans didn't typically use chemical tanning, not because they didn't know how. They did. They also knew that tanning meant you couldn't eat your clothing or horse tack when times got sticky.

Clean a wound with alcohol. Seal the wound with honey. If corn starch is available dust the honey with it (You're carrying cornstarch because you can eat it. You can't eat talcum powder). Seal the honey with duct tape.

KFG

Re:My objection to the article:

[Anonymous Coward]

The honey will only be active as a wound treatment if it is unpasturized. The heat destroys the enzyme responsible for its antibacterial action.

http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/november/Molan /honey-as-topical-agent.html

The antibacterial/antifungal activity is not only due to osmosis.

-Bob

Re:My objection to the article:

[mrjb]

Only one problem here. There is no spoon.

Re:My objection to the article:

[Folmer]

I would include iodide pills if the bomb goes off...

Re:My objection to the article:

[kfg]

Either you are completely full of it. . .

If I'm full of shit it's because I know my shit, not because I'm bullshitting.

. . .or this is the best slashdot comment. Ever.

A bit slipshod stream of conciousness really. I left out the "Shake & Bake" flashlight, which is important, the cornstarch, which isn't, but it's nice to have a bit around. Didn't go into sewing kits and why you should make up your own instead of purchasing one from a camping store, the Therma-Rest pad, which could be important, even lifesaving under certain conditions, or even that you get all this stuff from Wal-Mart or something, not a camping store (except maybe the Therma-Rest). There are also any number of small items that can disappear in the bottom of a side pocket that can make life easier (like the G.I. can opener), but I've learned to live without them and take life as it was before such manufactured items were available. Many people on this earth do so as part of their everyday lives. I know. I've seen them do it.

It wasn't part of the subject, so I didn't even touch on how you either get out of or into a disater area safely. That's a bit of a longer subject then a short, slipshod post. I'm not even sure I could write it. I think I'd have to show you. Bicycles are often better than cars though. A guy I know bicycled from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego with his wife. It took a whole team of pros from Land Rover to accomplish the same thing with motor vehicles.

I was born in Manhatten, but grew up in large part in the Vermont woods, climbed Mt. Washington in a minor gale (by Mt. Washington standards) when I was only 6, been from the subartic to the tropical rainforest, city to wilderness, land to sea, often with nothing more than I could carry, my stepfather is a travel journalist who ghost authored a best selling camping book (no, I won't say which one. There are these things called lawyers. I like to avoid them when I can) and been in, into and out of disaster areas for various reasons. I sorta grew up knowing how to get by with only what you could stuff in a daypack just so long as the conditions were actually survivable without heavy gear. I've never checked luggage on an airline. Everything I need goes carryon.

This all writes much more impressive than it really is. I'm just another dork like anybody else and my day to day life is just as humdrum and unexceptional at any given moment as anybody else's. I just occasionally have these "episodes" where it looks like things should have been exciting, but they're not at all like Indiana Jones has. Pulling people from their homes in a rowboat is really a rather mundane affair. Crawling through the priest tunnel of a Zapotec pyramid is too.

No Nazis, face melting or anything. Just dirt and deadly snakes.

Snakes, why does it always have to be snakes?

KFG

Re:My objection to the article:

[kfg]

I still haven't figured out how the honey would be dangerous. . .

It's a vector of sticky. :)

Yes, the penny whistle has me guessing as well. . .

Never underestimate the value of being able to make friends by being able to play an instrument, particularly when the shit hits the fan. The friends might well have food. Eat theirs when you can instead of your own. The pennywhistle is inexpensive (duh), easy to get started on, nearly indestructable, versatile, but particularly good at playing "happy" music.

Never underestimate the power of happy music to turn misery into a party. In the last big blackout nobody in my neighborhood has anything but happy memories of the experience. I had an impromptu music festival going within an hour of the lights going out and kept it going until they came back on. It wasn't a blackout, it was a block party (of course nobody's homes were blowing away or under water either).

A foot long metal tube can also be a suprisingly useful thing to have around. When you're packing light and moving in a hurry you have to learn to see things for what they actually are, and not for what they are labeled. Duct tape, for instance is a strip of rubberized cloth with some adhesive on one side of it. Thus it's repair tape, bandages, moleskin, a bit of rope, etc. Corn starch is soup thickener, foot powder, dry lubricant, etc.

A foot long metal tube likewise has a variety of utilitarian uses. In this case signal whistle is the most obvious. You really should carry a signal whistle. Why shouldn't it also be a musical one? (my 6'x 3/4" PVC hiking staff is a suprisingly loud herald's trumpet, even though it lacks a bell and you should see the look on a Coast Guard officer's face when you demonstrate that you do have the required signal horn on board by blowing out his eardrums with your "boathook")

Actually, my own choice is 3/4" PVC pipe quena (an end blown flute). People don't even realize it's a bo until it hits them. There is value in other people seeing what a thing is labeled as, as opposed to what it really is. Someone who will take away your knife will leave you your flute/thumper/cheaterbar/bo.

Re:My objection to the article:

[DangerTenor]

Of course! I know why, it was in one of my favorite poems as a kid:

"I eat my peas with honey,
I've done it all my life.
It makes the peas taste funny,
but it keeps them on the knife."

Re:My objection to the article:

[Vitriol Angst]

For money I'd recommend 1/10th oz gold pieces and silver.

You could skip the size and weight of the wool blanket and use what is called a "space blanket" it is blue or black on one side, and silver on the other. It isn't as comfy as wool, but a thinsulate insulated space blanket can be a lot lighter and provide a lot more insulation than wool--and it still insulates when wet and can reflect heat to help cool you. Also, it can be used in water collection and sterilization techniques like a tarp or polyurethane sheet. Whatever emergency supplies you have should be able to fit in a back-pack and be carried with you -- so think light. Also, it can be used with a piece of rope to make a tent. So for the weight and space -- it does triple duty and is a better insulator.

I'll second the suggestion of a big strong knife and a flint. Add in a few hack-saw blades as well and some strong braided steel wire and 100 ft of fishing line. You can fashion a lot of things with these. With these four things you can catch food, cook, build a saw and 100 other things.

Forget the yards of cotton. There will probably be clothing everywhere and this won't do if you are getting cold. If you are in a flood zone, you might think of putting some spare clothes in a rubber, water-proof rucksack. But other than New Orleans and a few other places in this country -- like most places, you're not going to be without clothes. Warm jackets, yes. So if you are in a flood plain without high land for a mile then store some clothes -- but most of the big disasters I can think of will just leave plenty of this crap everywhere. Food, water and shelter and sanitation are your main concerns -- if you can just concentrate on those you will have time and opportunity to worry about the rest.

Zip-lock bags are great. I suppose in all reality there is going to be a lot of plastic lying around after any disaster in America -- so I guess Leather satchels are out.

Add Lard and Salt. You may need to preserve things. Put them in some sort of air-tight container and separate from your pack because they will attract animals. Also, cook and eat and go to the bathroom in areas away from where you sleep and store food. There are a lot of camping things to learn -- but in reality, you are going to more likely be around houses --wether in one piece or not, without electricity and water. Making water and doing without power are your two main factors -- and finding a good place too poop. Dig a hole and put some blocks and plywood on top to form a privy. Human refuse will be the biggest health risk and a lot of people will be doing the wrong thing and getting sick. I'm thinking of getting rain barrels on the downspouts of my gutters so that I always have a few 100 gallons of water. I'll put minnows in them to keep out mosquitos. Oh, and make sure you have some effective mosquito repellant -- they will become a big issue in a flood.

Did anyone mention good wool socks? You may need to consider light canvas tennis shoes over boots if you are going to be getting over your ankles wet-- foot rot is a real issue. Some of the army boots out there are good because they are designed to dry out quickly. A water proof boot is great for protection but becomes more of a problem if you are constantly going through deep water -- drying quickly becomes more important than water proof over time.

And tea-tree oil. Great for treating almost any infection or skin ulcer. Skin infections and dysentery (and cholera and other stomach ailments) are your major risks. Get Chlorine tablets to kill bad things in water -- if you are stranded without clean water for a while you will have to make your own. Chlorine and filters will get you water faster. You can also stretch out polyurethane over a wet area and get the condensation that is formed from the evaporated water -- that will be clean. But it is a pretty slow way to get water.

I don't recommend heading for the woods. Most of us are not prepared for real survival -- and just think about all the "survivali

Re:My objection to the article:

[kfg]

What if you are allergic to wool?

Then it really sucks to be you. That's ok, I'm intolerant to most "food" and when other people are sitting down to a hot meal I'm sometimes off scrounging for edible weeds or something, so I know what sucking to be is like. Go with one of the polyester microfibers if you really have to, in a weave, not a knit. The structure of a weave is important. They're sold under various trade names, like CoolMax. Maybe the larger piece in a water repelant Supplex nylon. When I'm not traveling ultralight I often add this to the list anyway. Staying warm when you're wet is good. Staying dry in the first place is better and the Supplex is a sturdier tarp and more pleasant to wrap in than the emergency blanket.

There are also "technical" wool fabrics available now. Waterproof, windproof, breathable. Some people who have problems with wool don't seem to have a problem with this stuff, some do. I've fondled some samples. It's amazing stuff. It's also godawful expensive and I don't know how well it holds up to abuse. I can't afford to find out empirically.

I wish there were some true substitute for wool. It requires more care than synthetics, doesn't last as long, it's expensive (the good stuff will run you about $20/yd. for shirtweight. Get the good stuff. It's worth it. Pendelton is one of the few brand names left on Earth that is still what it purports to be, as good as you can get) and I have vegan tendencies. Any of the synthetics do something much better than wool. Cotton is lovely for warm, dry weather and when I absolutely know it's going to be warm and dry what I almost always turn to. None of them do everything put together as well as wool though, which is why when you have to chose one it's the one to choose. When I'm traveling strictly urban I'll carry the two smaller pieces in cotton and only the larger in wool.

Come to think of it, I'm dressed in those two pieces of cotton right now. This stuff isn't just camping/emergency gear for me. I use it all the time and almost never wear "normal" street clothes around the house or hotel room. Once you get used to wearing wraps and drapes you'll start to wonder why people ever adopted tailored clothing in the first place. In some places they still haven't.

Don't you even think about taking away my trenchcoat though. Yeah, it's cotton, but the lining is wool.

Aaaaaanyway, like my issues with food ya gotta do what ya gotta do and live with it. If I have to eat weeds while everyone else is eating lasagna, it's better than dying. If you can't use wool, don't use it.

Oh, by the way, the antihistimes on the list are for allergic reactions, not colds. I should have mentioned that.

What are some of your favorite books or links regarding being prepared?

I was afraid someone would ask that. I really don't have any. That's why I simply said "poke around" instead of posting some links. Yeah, I've done that poking around myself, but I haven't made any particular note of any particular sites. I read them with a critical eye, pick up a clue here and there, bang my head against the keyboard at others and absorb into my brain, not my link collection, since none of it is entirely new material to me and much of it is intended to sell you something that's really just a manufactured version of what you can obtain for free as you need it (like pebbles).

Search on firestarting, Greek clothing, Egyptian clothing, Indian clothing, draped clothing, sarong (you need to completely rethink clothing, starting with realizing the word simply means "cloth," "clothes" is simply the plural of cloth, not something from the Gap), soda can stove (there's a Wikipedia article on these), tarp craft, twisting cordage and knot craft. That'll get you started. Most of the stuff on food is, unfortunately, pitifully simplistic ( "Here's a pen and ink drawing of a burdock. Its root is edible") or completely ridiculous ("How to prepare freeze dried Nouvelle Cuisine in the woods"). I don't r

Re:My objection to the article:

[kfg]

A decent rifle with plenty of ammo would be indispensable and worth more than all the gold in the world.

I know that; and you know that, but you'd have to be an idiot to explain it to the guy who's willing to give you ammo and food for gold, now wouldn't you?

The stuff doesn't have any real value now, except for that fact that some people think it does. Read Thoreau's "Life Without Principle." He deals with this very issue in it.

KFG

Re:My objection to the article:

[kfg]

Is checking luggage a bad thing?

Depends on whose luggage it is.

While that makes you sound cool and tough. . .

I haven't a clue why and I would certainly never characterize myself in those terms, especially at that point in time. "Dork" and "wuss" come to mind though. It was something any other 6 year old dorky wuss could do.

. . .what kind of parent takes their 6 year old up a mountain in a gale?

The kind whose kid got lucky with parents, at least in that respect. I am not cool, but it was cool. It was my first time above the timberline.The following day was even cooler. It was dead calm and there was a really cool fog over the mountains as we followed the ridge trail over Jefferson and Monroe. It was like being in a fairy story. I'll never forget it. Then we spent a couple of days at a Dartmouth Outing Club (we were members) cabin on some lake whose name I can't remember, but I remember the canoeing. The whole thing was a "peak" experience, as it were and it taught me things.

Thanks mom and dad.

KFG

Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack...

[xs650]

Unplugging is a good first step, if that's all you can do. Strong EMP will induce currents in electronic circuitry stong enough to fry much solid state electronics.

From Katrina Ground Zero

[DownTheLongRoad]

Living in New Orleans has burned a few lessons into me.
First, make a list of things to take if you have to evacuate. I forgot several things when packing up at 3am the day before the storm hit.
Second, keeping a safety deposit box in the same area as your house is a bad idea. We have banks which have been closed for a month and will probably be closed for many more. People come in every day asking about when they can get it. People wanting to leave the country but can't get their passports, very bad news.
Third, keep a decent supply of water and canned food. Rotate the supplies to keep them fresh but always maintain one weeks worth of supplies. Figure at least one week before outside relief gets to you. Two weeks would be a safer bet. It's easier to do than you think. A water dispenser with 3 or 4 bottles should hold you over nicely and large cans of food from Chef Boyardee will make this very inexpensive. To use those cans, make sure you have a mechanical can opener on the assumption of no electricity. Keeping a 12 pack of Toilet Paper around doesn't hurt. If anyone asks why the large amount, simply say that you get it cheaper.Keeping some cash also doesn't hurt a bit. When the power is out, checks and debit/credit cards are worthless. Multiple things can happen outside of a nuclear war or hurricane which can force you to be self-sufficient for a week or two. Trust me, when the lights don't work, the police won't answer 911 calls and people are looting, you will be forever grateful you took a little time and money to be prepared.
Fourth, paranoia can be a good thing. My wife complained when I bought a generator and 40 gallons of gas at the start of hurricane season. She gave me even more grief when I bought canned goods and water we didn't need within the next week. She sat on the sofa while I boarded up my house like world war III was coming to New Orleans. She thanked me several times for doing all of the above when we had electricity, food, water and an unlooted house after the storm.

Personally, I send all of my files to both Gmail and Yahoo. I have seperate accounts set up just for those files. If a disaster befalls the US that takes out both of those companies and destroys my home computer on the other side of the country, losing computer files won't matter a bit, I'll be too busy trying to survive.

Other ideas...

[OneFix]

Why not just save your "important" data on a drive mounted in a removable IDE drive bay. If you ever need to take everything, you just shut down the machine and take the drive... Yes, this may be a little heavier than a USB flash drive... You could build a set of cron jobs (like I have) to back up your important directories to the removable drive on a nightly basis...

"Documents and Settings" for a Windoze box
"/var/mail" for Linux
User directories under Linux
Bookmarks, Mail Client directories (Thunderbird, Evolution, etc), IM directories (GAIM, Trillian, Google Talk, etc)

This would probably be preferable to say an external USB/Firewire drive, because it would be much faster for standard operations and would be connected until you took it with you...not to mention, there's more you can do for a damaged harddisk than a damaged USB flash drive...hard drives are sealed...most flash drives are not...there's a whole industry built on recovery of harddisks...not so on flash drives (not yet...it's probably coming)...

Or better yet, why not use one of the GMail Filesystem. This would certainly be more likely to survive...you wouldn't need to "grab" anything...all you would need is a machine with web access...keep something like 7-zip for Windows, GPG (or what ever you used to encrypt the data), and the GFS software for Windoze and Linux...you wouldn't really even need the archives, just a "draft" message with links to the files/projects. You could use another online filesystem and mirror the accounts (don't use software raid, just use 2 devices), so you could always recover the data if you lost access to one account.

But then again, what ever happened to the idea of keeping a safety deposit box in another city??? You can get to it once you are "safe"...not to mention that the authenticity of "scanned" copies of documents would be questioned because of Photoshop/Gimp...with a safety deposit box, you could have notarized, physical copies...Many of the things you list are things that you really don't need at home and generally wouldn't mind driving to get when/if the need arises (SSN, wills, Birth Certificates, Tax Returns, negatives of family photos, etc)...which would make a much more difficult situation easier for you (knowing that your important personal documents were safe)...who wants to worry if the only scan of their birth certificate was going to survive when they themselves are in danger...not me...

If you DO go with the USB Key idea, then don't trust any of the "built-in" security schemes and use your own encryption and buy 2 and use software RAID to mirror the drives. That way the data could be rebuilt if either one fails...you could each carry one of them as well...in case something happened to the other one...also beware of the pitfalls of flash memory (limited number of writes comes to mind right away)...

Any idea of saving hardware is moot if you're thinking of a flood in a major city (like NYC), because even waterproof hardware would be destroyed by all of the chemicals that would be floating in the water...

Faraday cage.

[Kadin2048]

I always knew that those script kiddies with the see-thru lexan cases would come to a bad end...

Life Disk

[Simonetta]

Don't forget to scan all your family photos and all the photos from your parents collections of you and your siblings. Scan high resolution like 600 DPI.

    Scan examples of the work that you have done. Source code, schematics, written documentation, blueprints, photos, letters of recommendation. Include these with the family photos and financial info. Don't forget medical records (remember also childhood immunizations and disease records, ask your parents if you don't have them) and hi-res scans of any X-Ray photos and dental records if you have them.

    Buy or borrow a DVD recorder and copy all your photos, along with high resolution scans of birth certificates, tax returns, property deeds, financial records, etc. onto many copys of DVD ROM of all this data. Encrypt only the sensitive financial data. Make a copy of your and your family member's finger prints. Be sure to encrypt these before writing them to the disk. Make recordings of your voice. Record your spouse. Record your kids. Shrink these recordings into MP3 and OGG files (high quality 256KBPS) and include them on the disk. Not sure what to say? Dictate a will. Make a list of all your possessions. Include serial numbers, descriptions, digital photos, and estimated value. X sweaters, Y pairs of underwear, ect.

    When you've done all this stuff listed above, make many copies of the CD/DVD-ROM. DVD-ROM blanks and CD ROM blanks are very cheap now (about 50 cents or less) and they can hold a great deal of information and photos. Send a copy each to your parents and spouse's parents.

    Keep a copy of this disk in your car. If you get hit with a big disaster and have to get away quickly, you most likely will not remember to gather this stuff or you may have forgotten where your 'life disk' is located.

    I'm not sure if this applies to you but sooner or later it applies to most people. If you are 'illegal', no proper immigration documentation, no passport, expired visa, fugitive from computerized bench arrest warrants regardless of how long ago it was issued, or if you are at risk of arrest because of lifestyle (you sell weed for a living) or are a political activist in a dictatorship, you might consider creating a complete new and separate identity for yourself. And keep the paperwork for this identity on a CD-ROM, encrypted of course. Put a few soft-core porn pictures (be sure to use ones that are not illegal) unencrypted on the CD in case you are forced to display the contents of the CD to the police (resulting from a search at a traffic stop or a random police stop-and-frisk on the street). You may want to have this info on a 512K Flash Disk (or a 3.5 inch mini CD) that you can carry with you at all times. If you are undocumented or a fugitive, you may find that you have to escape without being able to go back to your home to get your papers, contacts, or alternate identity papers. In this case, having a flash disk with a complete new identity on it is a big help in maintaining your freedom.

Shalom

Re:Life Disk

[covertbadger]

And don't forget the bananas. We'll need those when the radiation turns us all into monkeys.

Re:Life Disk

[instarx]

Don't forget medical records (remember also childhood immunizations and disease records, ask your parents if you don't have them) and hi-res scans of any X-Ray photos and dental records if you have them.

DNA samples from you and all family members (hair samples in tiny individually labeled plastic bags would be good)

I'd take toilet paper.

[Gordonjcp]

I know you can rough it with leaves and stuff, but come on, you've got a ton of other stuff to worry about. Why add an abraded arse to it?

Other small valuable items

[Simonetta]

I would include some condoms (about 8), a few packs of cigarettes (even if you don't smoke, they are fantastic for bartering with nicotine addicts, and an emergency contraception kit of a few birth-control pills, like a unit of Plan B (an actual American product sold for post-coital contraception.) If you are a male, this seems absurd. But if you meet women in an emergency situation who do need this (inquire very discretely), they will be your friends and allies to their dying day.
      If you can find one, a hand-crank flashlight with super-bright white LED bulbs and a hand-crank radio would be good too. An unusual item that might be useful would be a software program for the USB keychain that has a 10000-word English/Spanish dictionary/phrase book. A PDF file of wild edible plants (with photos and drawings) would be more useful than a cannibal cookbook.

Don't encrypt!

[Andabata]

If you are considering digital storage for an emergency situation, encrypt it while there is no emergency, but if you have at least 5 minutes warning (which is often the case), copy it un-encrypted. Honestly, if you need to access it, you may find yourself looking hard for a computer where to do it, and discover that you can't install the encryption sw you included in the pen, or have no permission to do it, or that you need to salvage the contents of the pen... really, using encryption for emergency situations is a bad idea. You need to get over it ALIVE, and that should be the main concern. Not getting yourself "a year's worth of food inside a safe but without its key".

Data Wills?

[fongaboo]

Some friends and I have agreed to form a pact where we act as data guardians for each other in the case of an early demise. After seeing what went on after one of our young friend's untimely demise, we decided we wanted to have contingency as to what should happen to our personal data and hardware after we pass on. I am wondering if anyone else has done something similar.

We decided that we'd each get a USB thumb drive and put a password protected RAR file that contains a text document that includes login/passwords to all our personal accounts, lists of online acquaintances who should be informed of our passing and details of our desires for what will be done with personal hardware and data. We've then taped the thumbdrive to the inside of the case of our main desktop computer. We then appointed another person in the group to be our guardian, to then come and retrieve the drive and carry out our wishes.

It's all ad-hoc for now, but when I get around to making a real will, I want to include this as a clause and make it 'official'.

Opinions?

Re:I would think that...

[MWelchUK]

You are correct.

I accidentally put my pen drive through the washing machine. Then the tumble dryer. It was lovely and dry when it came out, but the USB plug had been broken off the board.

Quick soldering job later and I plugged it in, to find all my data intact.

Definitely more robust than a floppy disk. Comparatively, looking at them in the wrong way was enough to corrupt them at times.

Try this on for size

[acid_zebra]

Keepass is an excellent free, opensource, no-install password/data manager featuring strong crypto. here are a few pointers to USB key-based app collections that I've bookmarked over time.

Buy it back

[stevev007]

Why not just buy your personal info back from the phishers that have already stolen it??

Durable flash drive, open source encryption

[Anonymous Coward]

Corsair has a rubberized water resistent shock-resistent flash drive available. I have one and found that it is quite durable: http://www.corsair.com/

As for encryption, check-out this open source project which offers an excellent encryption solution for Flash drives:
http://www.truecrypt.org/

512mb sandisk cruzer mini survived washer/dryer

[gmr2048]

I accidently left my 256MB Sandisk Cruzer Mini in the pocket of my jeans as I washed and dryed them (automatic washer and dryer). I found it in the bottom of the dryer, still *really* warm to the touch. When I plugged the Cruzer into my computer, it acted as if the whole incident had never happened. I've used it every day since then and never had an issue. It gets my vote for 'sturdy drive'.

-gary

Cool Desert Island discs for survivalist geeks

[Martin Spamer]

Forget all that official Bureaucracy stuff.

If things are so bad that THEY cannot tell you what it is, you dont need it!

What you really need would be usefull reference texts, Grays Anatomy, How things work, 101 uses for a dead cat, 1001 chemical reactions from household waste. All hardcopy; and when I say hardcopy I don't mean paper, or even clay tablets I mean really hard copies like granite slabs, preferable formed into a shelter deep underground.

Re:Cool Desert Island discs for survivalist geeks

[gatzke]

Reminds me of a post nucular survivalist scifi book by Heinlein, I think it was Farnham's Freehold. One idea from that book was that the most valued item after the war was a useful text book.

too much paper and crap in our lives

[ChristTrekker]

Government requires too darn much record-keeping these days. If the pioneers were required to retain as much paper as we do for taxes and the like, the US would still be stuck on the east side of the Mississippi River. Can't we just cut through the regulation burden and get rid of all that crap in our lives? If I want to escape from a natural or man-made disaster with the things that are necessary/important to me, I sure as heck hope I'd be grabbing kids, pets, food/clothes/gun (depending if it's an apocalypse), and a few treasured keepsakes rather than tax returns, licenses, and paperwork. Anyone else yearning for a more libertarian society or is it just me?

That said, the article did have make some good points. A "bug out" bag is a wise idea (as is a bomb shelter - y'all have one of them too, right?). Thank goodness for technology, so that all the important "crap" can be reduced to a USB stick. I deal with information so much better if I don't have to mess with the physicality of the (paper) records. (Yes, my natural filing system is heaps and stacks. Thank God for my wife or I wouldn't be able to find my desk.) I think the advice about medical records was the most useful. Now that's something I'd want if I had to pick up and move fast.

Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack...

[Inoen]

The Soviet airforce didn't seem to think so during the cold war. The Mig-25 jet fighter entered service in 1969 and had some unusual equipment on board. The majority of the electronics was made with vacuum tubes instead of transistors. To better withstand the EMP.

From Wikipedia:

The majority of the on-board avionics was based on vacuum tube technology, not solid-state electronics. Though the Mig-25's electronics were ridiculed in the West, many experts found it ingenious and quite practical to use vacuum tubes as they were less suceptible to radiation compared to transistor technology in case of nuclear warfare

Not just swim for it...

[buss_error]

and how would you protect the drive itself in case you did have to "swim for it"?

Nuclear blast areas: (20 megatons at 17,500 ft airburst)

8.5 miles - vaporized.
35 miles - 15% dead, 50% injured. Cite
??? miles - EMP so strong that internal components of chips melt. Cite

Hmm. Paper seems safer, easier to deal with without computers. And if I live, so does the data. Anyway, it's not likely someone would get a 20 megaton bomb. More likely 10 Kt to 1 Mt. Revise that for "Best be more than 50 miles away." Make that 150 miles for a 20 megaton.

Can I go live on a planet where we don't have this madness?

In the freezer

[gatzke]

I have heard that you can put some documents in the freezer, as it will be mostly waterproof when the FD floods your house and stands a decent chance at being fireproof as well.

We bought a little fireproof waterproof safe for like $50.

I think the topic of this post was mostly for big chemical, bio, or nucular attack on NYC or DC. What would you take? How prepared would you be to never come back to your house?

BTW, Foxfire books are awesome if you don't have the series already. Great stuff with good detail on everything from building a log cabin to making moonshine to making a violin.

Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack...

[Jaseoldboss]

It's caused by massive electron migration away from the blast which produces a huge current. The EMP effect is strongest at the edge of the atmosphere where there is space to the upper side of the weapon or at ground level where the earth prevents any movement of electrons. In the middle the movement of electrons is symmetrical and cancels itself out.

It's in the High energy weapons FAQ somewhere (sorry working you'll have to find it :-) http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/

Re:Fireproof files only have to resist 451 F!

[gatzke]

Yep, I periodically make a DVD and ship it out to family. They get a "family album" and I get some level of backup.

Nobody has mentioned EMP. Those flash drives will probably all be garbage in the case of a nuke, even if you survive.