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Google Goes to Washington

DIY News writes "Google has hired a lobbyist in Washington D.C. to influence the nation's laws governing the Internet, telecommunications and copyrights. Google sees a presence in Washington as a necessity as government becomes more involved in the Net's development. Among its efforts, the government has worked to shield private U.S. companies from demands by the United Nations and other countries for multilateral control of the Net."

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  1. coming soon! by isecore · · Score: 5, Funny

    Google.gov coming to a website near you!

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  2. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe they can get some of the outdated and impractical copyright laws changed. I imagine they've probably got enough dirt on every member of Congress to get things done.

    1. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they found the dirt using.....Google. You google-humans are sly; just like the fox.

    2. Re:Good by nametaken · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe they can get some of the outdated and impractical copyright laws changed. I imagine they've probably got enough dirt on every member of Congress to get things done.

      That's what we pray for, because "In Google we trust".

      But honestly, when's the last time you heard of a major corporation actively and intentionally influencing American politics for the direct benefit of consumers?

      Google always has been, and always will be, looking out for themselves first. The only question now is whether or not they'll hurt us in the process. It might be a bleak outlook on politics and the corporate world but I think its realistic.

  3. Google for President by uberchicken · · Score: 1, Troll

    Is there nothing they can't do?

    1. Re:Google for President by mysqlrocks · · Score: 1

      Well, Google itself could not run for president since it is a corporation. Sergey Brin could not run because he was born in Moscow so it would have to be Larry Page.

    2. Re:Google for President by notthe9 · · Score: 2, Funny

      In the US, corporations have all the legal rights of individuals. They could SO run for president. However, Google is under 35 years old.

    3. Re:Google for President by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      Be evil. That's something they can't do.

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    4. Re:Google for President by marsperson · · Score: 2, Funny



      Better yet, Google for overlords.

      I for one... ah, nevermind...

    5. Re:Google for President by ceejayoz · · Score: 1

      It says citizens, not individuals. Corporations have individual rights, but I don't believe they're actual citizens.

  4. Family Guy by Slashdiddly · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry, but every time I read "X Goes to Washington" all I can think of is an electic pencil sharpener. That must have hurt.

    1. Re:Family Guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      electic pencil sharpener

      That's odd, I wasn't aware that pencil sharpeners were represented in Congress.

  5. And in other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Google googles google. Google is not just a search engine. Google features many excellent services such as Google Mail, Google Froogol, Google Maps, Google Woogle, Google Choogle and Google McNoogle. Google is implementing a new alternative to Paypal. Google is building their own internet to replace the existing one. Google is releasing a new office suite. Google is releasing their own brand of Linux. Googley woogley woo!

    1. Re:And in other news... by dana340 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm curious, do you think Google is going to offer their own Linux, or buy another company. I think that Google sees a light at the end of the tunnel. And that would be: come into the business market by offering services to businesses. They would charge for these services, and they could even offer hardware solutions running Linux, optimized to work with web based applications that Google will host, or could be hosted locally via Google powered servers (not everyone has enough bandwidth for everyone in their organization to run web apps). I see a smart thing they could do like buying Novell (and SuSE). Anybody else see the trend? What implications does this have for IBM, presently offering Novell and SuSE options?

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    2. Re:And in other news... by noneme · · Score: 2, Funny

      I didn't know Steve Ballmer anonymously posted to /.

    3. Re:And in other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yeah, but there still isn't really ANY distro that offers a streamlined PC (not MAC) based DESKTOP OS for the home user. UI is everything and I reckon google could definately pull this off with their own flavour of colours and that playroom feel that they wlaready have. Kids would be screaming for it.

    4. Re:And in other news... by Rodness · · Score: 1

      Google is building their own internet to replace the existing one.

      Well, they ARE rumored to be doing something like that.

      And if it were a private commercial venture, and large evil corporate dictator concerns aside, they could tell the U.N. to go fuck themselves.

      Hmm... Google United Nations?

    5. Re:And in other news... by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I guess this is as good a place to put this as anywhere:

      Has anybody heard of Google Blogsearch? I'd never heard of it before, and I sort of stumbled onto it this morning. I guess with everybody having a blog these days, I should be glad somebody is trying to sort through the mess. I'd just never heard of this product before.

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    6. Re:And in other news... by h4rm0ny · · Score: 2, Funny


      Googley woogley woo!

      That's a great description of /.'s content recently. I LOVE it. If I wasn't so pretentious, that would so become my sig.

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    7. Re:And in other news... by Conglomerate.org · · Score: 1

      I believe /. is infested with Google employees! Granted, Google did make a good search engine, but the other companies have caught up, so now what? It's getting quite ridiculous, Google toolbar, maps, moon, chat, mail. These things existed before Google decided to rip them off! (ok, maybe not the cheese-zoom feature of m00n!) Google's tech dept. is a joke! I mean they had an $4bn IPO, for what? this is the best they came up with? Rubs hands, "mod points".

    8. Re:And in other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention Google goos goo! They go ogle goggles! Marklar!

    9. Re:And in other news... by Dwonis · · Score: 1

      Lately? You must be new here.

    10. Re:And in other news... by ioudas · · Score: 1

      So what new beta name to call this endeavor

      Globby perhaps?

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    11. Re:And in other news... by dana340 · · Score: 1

      Please read my above post (first reply to "and in other news"). There is some logic to the madness, even if it's not exactly what I'm talking about, there are planning to be about more than offering advertisement spots and your own Google search engine box for your enterprise. (http://www.google.com/enterprise/)

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    12. Re:And in other news... by CyborgWarrior · · Score: 1

      I find it interesting that if you google for "search engine", AltaVista and Lycos rank higher than goole......

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    13. Re:And in other news... by Mad_Rain · · Score: 1

      Googley woogley woo!

      "Quagmire, since when did you work for Google?"

      "Since I found the porn cache on their servers. Googley-Googley-Googley-Googley!!!"

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    14. Re:And in other news... by alvaro-m · · Score: 1

      Even Porn (or odd). http://booble.com/

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    15. Re:And in other news... by saskboy · · Score: 1

      GNU

      Google United Nations. Too much of a coincidence I think! :-O

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  6. They'll be lonely by republican+gourd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A progressive company with fairly reasonable takes on copyright and employment that isn't going to be lobbying from a position of entitlement-because-we've-always-made-money-the-sa me-way? They'll be so lonely... Nobody will want to get drunk on the steps of the Capitol with them except the Kennedy's.

    1. Re:They'll be lonely by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 0, Troll

      Nobody will want to get drunk on the steps of the Capitol with them except the Kennedy's

      Your post got cut off...
      Except the Kennedy's what? The Kennedy's dog?

    2. Re:They'll be lonely by republican+gourd · · Score: 1

      Ah, I'm sorry. The Kennedy's legacy.

    3. Re:They'll be lonely by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 0, Troll

      Ah, I'm sorry. The Kennedy's legacy.

      Who's The Kennedy?

    4. Re:They'll be lonely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was shot by the Oswald at the behest of the Edgar Hoover.

    5. Re:They'll be lonely by JrbM689 · · Score: 0

      Another victim of poor apostrophe placement and spelling. He meant to say The (Dead) Kennedeys' legacy.

    6. Re:They'll be lonely by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Its pretty easy to have a 'fairly reasonable take' on copyright when its not your creations or works you are applying that take to.

    7. Re:They'll be lonely by abulafia · · Score: 1
      Your post got cut off...
      Except the Kennedy's what? The Kennedy's dog?

      He meant George W. LaRouche.

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    8. Re:They'll be lonely by abulafia · · Score: 1
      Its pretty easy to have a 'fairly reasonable take' on copyright when its not your creations or works you are applying that take to.

      It is also easy to have a 'fairly reasonable take' on copyright when it is your 'creations or works' to which you're applying it.

      Many people do. I do. Many makers of music do, as do many writers, makers of video, etc.

      Are you asserting that you don't have a fairly reasonable take on copyright, because of something in particular?

      Just asking.

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    9. Re:They'll be lonely by chihowa · · Score: 1

      It seems that it's also fairly easy to not have a 'fairly reasonable take' on copyright when its not your creations or works you are applying that take to. *cough* Walt Disney Company *cough*

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    10. Re:They'll be lonely by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 1

      Aww... Some champion of poor grammar got upset at my little post :)

    11. Re:They'll be lonely by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 1

      Aww... Some champion of poor grammar got upset at my little post... :)

  7. Quite frankly by twiztidlojik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Quite frankly, I'm surprised a company with that kind of revenue stream DIDN'T have a lobbyist in washington.

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    1. Re:Quite frankly by snarkh · · Score: 1


      They are still relatively new to that game. Next thing you know, they will be donating money ot the Republicans.

    2. Re:Quite frankly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft was apolitical, socially progressive and like most Seattle businesses supportive of gay rights and whatnot, but once the antitrust suit showed up Microsoft got into the lobbying business in a big way in order to buy off the suit. Maybe this was for the best, maybe this was for the worst, I don't really care because I have Linux instead, but that's the way the game is played. No one likes this kind of corruption, but what can you do about it? At least Microsoft and Google will be better influences than Alcoa, The United Fruit Company, the trial lawyers and the labor unions.

  8. I'm confused...... by ZiakII · · Score: 5, Funny

    So this week is google good or evil.... I can never keep up.....

    1. Re:I'm confused...... by Lucractius · · Score: 5, Informative

      lets add it up.

      Google Goes To Washington
      http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/08/133223 &tid=217&tid=103
      well it might be nice for someone to be doing no evil there for a change so ... thumbs up

      Google Launches Google Reader at Web 2.0
      http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/07/195225 4&tid=217&tid=1
      Cool new google app ... Thumbs Up

      Google Maps Graduates
      http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/07/142025 8&tid=217
      SOmething comes out og Beta Testing... Thumbs Up

      Google Declares War on Microsoft
      http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/06/125021 5&tid=217&tid=109
      War on Microsoft, THUMBS UP

      Taiwan Irked at Google's Version of Earth
      http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/ 04/1655204&tid=217&tid=219
      Pissing off chinese... Thumbs Down

      Google & Sun Planning Web Office
      http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/04/123422 9&tid=102&tid=217
      Hype but none the less a pretty big deal going down with sun... Shrug

      Google Office Still in the Wings?
      http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/03/105 7258&tid=185&tid=217&tid=218
      Awesome Idea (even though it didnt happen) ... Thumbs Up

      Google-NASA Partnership Backlash
      http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/ 02/0023257&tid=217&tid=219
      Possibly not doing no evil... Thumbs down

      Google Ant
      http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/0 1/1714241&tid=217&tid=14
      mmmm Taxonomical Fun... Thumbs Up

      Google Plans to Offer Free WiFi in San Francisco
      http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/01/131620 5&tid=217&tid=193
      Free Wifi.. Thumbs Up

      Google's Patents Reveal Strategy To Beat Microsoft
      http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/01/083123 4&tid=217&tid=187&tid=109
      Kicking MS... Thumbs up.

      Well it seems based on the statistics... We still like google this week... stay tuned next week folks :D

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    2. Re:I'm confused...... by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 1

      Taiwan Irked at Google's Version of Earth
      http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/ 04/1655204&tid=217&tid=219 [slashdot.org]
      Pissing off chinese... Thumbs Down

      You just called Democratic Taiwan citizens "Chinese". You're next pal.

    3. Re:I'm confused...... by Lucractius · · Score: 1

      I hereby state firmly based on the facts at hand that to the fullest extent of my knowledge there is no non political reason the people of tiwan are not more than 2-4 generations distant from mainland chinese therefore do not count as a separate ethinc group.

      Norweigians and Finish are both Scandinavian. "Tiwanaesee" and Chinese are both Still "Chinese"

      *begins humming Monty Pythons, "I Like Chinese"*

      hhmm hmm hmm hmmmmm

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    4. Re:I'm confused...... by Matt+Perry · · Score: 1
      Taiwan Irked at Google's Version of Earth Pissing off chinese... Thumbs Down
      Google was following the ISO standard. So thumbs up. Taiwan should work on getting the standard changed. If that happens then the change will filter into other things that use it such as Google Earth.
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    5. Re:I'm confused...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You refer to them by nationality, not ethinicity.

      What do you call American people? Do you rattle off the name of every god damned different ethnic group in our country? No, thats retarded.

    6. Re:I'm confused...... by Lucractius · · Score: 1

      I dont have to...

      I have The RIGHT TO CHOSE!!

      Go Open Source motto, Go!

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    7. Re:I'm confused...... by FhnuZoag · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, but not evil compared to what?

      We need an unified evilness index, with weekly rankings. Then we can convert between evils: e.g.

      1 Microsoft = 10000 Googles
      1 Dubya = 1.5 Microsoft

      etc

    8. Re:I'm confused...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      1 *AA = 10^100 Googles

    9. Re:I'm confused...... by hunterx11 · · Score: 1

      Canadian Anglophones are not so ethnically different from a lot of people in the U.S., but we don't call Canada a province of the U.S. At least, most of us don't.

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    10. Re:I'm confused...... by Chunni+Babu · · Score: 1

      What? Are you realising now that Slashdot is Google's publicity machine? Dude..don't you understand? This discussion board IS Google's whore. Post something that does not say good things about Google and see how you will be modded down.

    11. Re:I'm confused...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why I love this country. Everyone has a fair chance to change things and get their voices heard. Individuals and small groups can... uh.... write their congresspersons... and uh... waste their time holding stupid signs that don't accomplish anything. And voting.

      Likewise, big business can hire full time professionals with insider connections to deal behind closed doors, arrange pay-offs, lobby legislation, rally the media and cash in on favors.

      So, it's perfectly... uh.... um.... balanced....?

    12. Re:I'm confused...... by mnmn · · Score: 2, Funny

      I tried "1 microsoft in googles" in google to see if they will convert. Seems like their calculator isnt up to snuff.

      Do you think these will be signed values like celsuis or unsigned like the Kelvin?

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    13. Re:I'm confused...... by s-orbital · · Score: 1

      No, but you are still an "American"

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    14. Re:I'm confused...... by cHiphead · · Score: 1

      Actually most of us in the U.S. call Canada the 51st state.

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    15. Re:I'm confused...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, stop speaking for the rest of America, no one I know calls Canada the 51st state.

      Second, Taiwan considers intself the Chinese government in exile (hence the formal name "The Republic of China (http://www.gio.gov.tw/, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China), and the Peoples Republic of China (or just China) considers Taiwan to be within their jurisdiction, and not a seperate nation. Lucractius was correct in what he said. QED.

    16. Re:I'm confused...... by macshit · · Score: 1
      Taiwan Irked at Google's Version of Earth Pissing off chinese... Thumbs Down

      Google was following the ISO standard. So thumbs up.

      Any official standard in this area was almost certainly the result of massive amounts of political horse-trading. So thumbs down. [Another case that looks influenced by political interference is "gb" versus "uk".]

      Standards are not some kind of absolute; they are simply useful guidelines to consider (the costs versus benefits of following or not following varies greatly depending on exactly what is being standardized).

      Taiwan should work on getting the standard changed.

      With the PRC exerting all the political and economic pressure it has to counter such efforts? You've got to be kidding. As long as politicians have any influence in the matter, it ain't going to happen.

      It's far more practical to cut the politicians out of the loop by simply ignoring the "standard" where it is flawed.
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    17. Re:I'm confused...... by Matt+Perry · · Score: 1
      Any official standard in this area was almost certainly the result of massive amounts of political horse-trading.
      Right. And that isn't Google's purview.
      Standards are not some kind of absolute; they are simply useful guidelines to consider (the costs versus benefits of following or not following varies greatly depending on exactly what is being standardized)
      I agree. I'm sure Google weighed the cost versus benefit of getting into a pissing match between what two foreign countries call one of themselves and wisely decided to go with the existing standard.
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  9. Go Google!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google sucks, but at least they suck less than others and I think their lobbyists are probably less evil than others.

  10. Do no evil eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, so this week they appear to be 'Not Evil' in America and edging towards 'Evil' everywhere else.
    Can't let no dirty furr'iners get their hands on the Internets after all.

    Kevin

    1. Re:Do no evil eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because China, France, Iran, North Korea, etc, etc, etc, are paragons of free speech.

  11. In search of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe the government is in search of ET.

    1. Re:In search of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was so lame. You suck.

  12. Re:Bad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mimes are evil, I hate them.

  13. What The Hell??!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful
    Among its efforts, the government has worked to shield private U.S. companies from demands by the United Nations and other countries for multilateral control of the Net."

    I didn't see this mentioned in the article at all. Please somebody show me where that is stated. Is the submitter just making this up out of his ass? And anyway, what the fuck does it have to do with google

    And besides, that statement makes absolutely no fucking sense whatsover. How in God's Green Earth can the US government shield US companies in the DNS fight? They're no involved.

    The submitter is obviously trolling to instigate yet another US vs. the world fight since US-bashing is so popular on slashdot. It's such a poor and transparent ploy.

    1. Re:What The Hell??!! by RandoX · · Score: 1

      I think this is what they're referring to.

  14. You used to be cool, Google. by BillyBlaze · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Before everyone can complain about Slashdot's irrational love for Google, let me make it known that it's coming to an end, at least for me. My biggest complaint about Microsoft hasn't really been so much about poor software that doesn't obey standards, or horrible market practices, but that they're actively spending huge amounts of money to influence the Government of my country in ways that directly benefit them, at my expense. It's a sad fact that money has a huge influence on government, and that Bill Gates has more influence on government that probably thousands of regular voters combined. Google used to be above all this, but if they're not?

    Granted they haven't done anything yet. But simply by buying governments, they make it so that in order not to be evil, their politics have to agree with mine, which means they won't agree with someone else. And why would they agree with me? Hiring lobyists is clearly the kind of thing they had to do to placate shareholders, who only care about money and would see nothing wrong if Google elected a president to do nothing but take money from poor people and give it to Google. It seems like because of this effect, it's really hard for a publicly traded company to stay "Non-Evil" (tm) for long.

    1. Re:You used to be cool, Google. by kmmatthews · · Score: 1, Troll
      And thus you become one of the trolls you are attempting to forestall. Get a life, Slashdot is a bunch of individuals with differing opinions.

      _Of course_ the people that like $THING are prone to commenting in stories about $THING. Get over it.

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    2. Re:You used to be cool, Google. by Poromenos1 · · Score: 0

      Well, evil is relative. What if they influence the government to reevaluate the copyright laws and rehaul the entire patent system to work like it was supposed to? Don't the means justify the end?

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    3. Re:You used to be cool, Google. by Poromenos1 · · Score: 1

      Or "The ends justify the means". I wish I could edit posts.

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    4. Re:You used to be cool, Google. by moviepig.com · · Score: 1
      It's a sad fact that money has a huge influence on government... Google used to be above all this, but if they're not?

      AFAIK, Google has always been about understanding how people work...

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    5. Re:You used to be cool, Google. by Peet42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hold that thought...

      But remember, it's also possible that Google will lobby to have unworkable copyright/intellectual property laws revoked, break up the teleco's stranglehold over cheap bandwidth, prevent the movie industry from dictating what you do with the DVD player you just bought or a myriad of other things that the US Gov't currently votes on without being particularly well-informed on the subject.

      Me, I'll wait and see what happens before I start complaining. :)

    6. Re:You used to be cool, Google. by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Damn, why does Microsoft always have to be that exception!

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    7. Re:You used to be cool, Google. by TomSawyer · · Score: 1
      My biggest complaint about Microsoft hasn't really been so much about poor software that doesn't obey standards, or horrible market practices, but that they're actively spending huge amounts of money to influence the Government...

      Maybe you should be in politics instead of IT since you're not bothered by how M$ hurts IT but you have issue with how many industries participate in government?

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    8. Re:You used to be cool, Google. by NotBorg · · Score: 1

      Politics has been and always will be a compromise between the evil and the lesser evil. Right now, Google seems like the lesser evil.

      Because Google is in direct competition with a greater evil, it must have more points I agree with. There are points which both the lesser and the greater agree on and there is little good in that. However without the lesser's representation there is only the greater's.

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    9. Re:You used to be cool, Google. by shmlco · · Score: 1

      Keeping in mind, of course, that they already have a rather significant patent on PageRank...

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    10. Re:You used to be cool, Google. by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      but that they're actively spending huge amounts of money to influence the Government of my country in ways that directly benefit them

      Does it every occur to you that Microsoft is thousands of people and millions of investors? Grandmothers, pension funds, yuppies, and plenty of Google and Novel investors also own their piece of MS. MS is people, just like Google is, GM is, and the mom and pop coffee shop down the street is. Why on earth would a company that has so much at stake, with hundreds of millions of customers around the world, not want to look out for itself within the context of how the government that's regulating the economy frames things? I wouldn't want to invest in, or base my business operations around products built/serviced by a company that doesn't care what the business climate looks like, or is willing to be steamrolled by the noisiest person that doesn't like them.

      Hiring lobyists is clearly the kind of thing they had to do to placate shareholders, who only care about money and would see nothing wrong if Google elected a president to do nothing but take money from poor people and give it to Google.

      "Clearly?" Is that really, really clear to you? And out of curiosity, how does a president go about taking money from poor people? Does he have pictures of all of the congressional reps and senators with goats or something? The president can't take money from anybody. He can't write tax law, he can't appropriate money. The only thing he can, within narrow bounds, direct cabinet officials to work within the framework established by congress to spend, or not spend as much, on certain domestic things. Not putting as much money into some specialized entitlement give-away is not the same as taking money "from" poor people.

      Regardless: our current form of government would be pointless without a functioning economy. The economy completely depends upon employment and productivity. Those companies (like Google) that have a major role to play in productivity can and should make sure that they're heard by people who are working on laws and regulations that impact how they, their employees, their users, and industry do what they do. It's not "buying" government to make yourself heard or to make sure that people with a rational clue about what you do are responsible for the legal framework within which it's done. Doing nothing about it - the opposite of the employees and owners/investors in a company "buying" that voice - is the positve act of giving away that voice to someone else. You know, like to someone who thinks the internet is nothing but a porn vehicle and should be shut down, etc. Would you rather than Google stay at arm's length from politics and give up ground to crazies? I wouldn't.

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    11. Re:You used to be cool, Google. by hode · · Score: 1

      I wish I had a lobbyist in Washington. If only I was a corporation instead of just a private citizen...

    12. Re:You used to be cool, Google. by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

      It does not really matter what a company lobbies for , It's the fact that the company is using money to pervert the democratic process .
      Representatives are meant to represent their constituents wishes , lobbying perverts this process . If a company wants to change some part of the law they should use that money to persuade the people .

      MR Lobby :"Mr Representative sir , I believe that proposition 101 is not in the best interests of our country"
      MR Representative " Oh is that so , I think it's rather good for my community actually "
      Mr lobby : "Oh could you hold my briefcase .. wink wink nudge nudge"
      Mr representative : *click click , Drool*" Ah I see what you mean , thank you "

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    13. Re:You used to be cool, Google. by geminidomino · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But remember, it's also possible that Google will lobby to have unworkable copyright/intellectual property laws revoked, break up the teleco's stranglehold over cheap bandwidth, prevent the movie industry from dictating what you do with the DVD player you just bought or a myriad of other things that the US Gov't currently votes on without being particularly well-informed on the subject.

      Right after they finish hand-delivering blankets to the poor, and stopping off to help an old lady across the street...

      Google's lobbying will be done in such a way that it helps them, not make the laws "not broken." Copyright/IP laws? Google will want exceptions for search engines put in, not to have the laws revoked. Why should google give an airborne copulation at a ventrally rotating pastry about DVD players?

    14. Re:You used to be cool, Google. by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1

      Don't the means justify the end?

      Other way round, but we're a smart audience. It rather depends what time frame you're talking about doesn't it? If the world ends tomorrow, then maybe there's time to right a few wrongs by any means necessary. But assuming that it doesn't, then how does buying into a system of government where you require money to have a say improve things in the long run? When the problem is someone else, then working within the system can be effective. When the problem is the system itself, then working within the system cannot be effective.

      The ends only justify the means if there are acutal ends, otherwise "ends" are just place markers whilst means are the direction. Personally, I see Google just taking a step on a road filled with good intentions.

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    15. Re:You used to be cool, Google. by spectecjr · · Score: 1

      It's a sad fact that money has a huge influence on government, and that Bill Gates has more influence on government that probably thousands of regular voters combined. Google used to be above all this, but if they're not?

      Microsoft used to above this. They had ZERO political cachet - they didn't believe in lobbying, period. Then Sun Microsystems, AOL, Oracle, Netscape and a few others funded by the Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers venture capital firm decided that it'd be a fun thing to make huge lobbying donations through a combination of personal and private donations.

      So, after the antitrust suit which resulted from their lobbying efforts got started, Microsoft started lobbying in Washington. After all, when your government decides to shake you down, you'd better start paying up if you know what's good for you.

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    16. Re:You used to be cool, Google. by BillyBlaze · · Score: 1

      Perhaps I ought to clarify that a bit. It's not that I don't mind shoddy software (I despise it), it's that I respect the right of an organization to write shoddy software. It shouldn't be illegal. I do not, however, respect the right of corporations to directly influence the democratic process. (Business practices are kind of a grey area - on the one hand, that's the breaks, on the other, at least some regulation is necessary.)

    17. Re:You used to be cool, Google. by BillyBlaze · · Score: 1
      Why on earth would a company that has so much at stake, with hundreds of millions of customers around the world, not want to look out for itself within the context of how the government that's regulating the economy frames things?

      Obviously a company should and does care about those things. But that does not mean the corporation (as a group) should be allowed to directly influence the democratic process. The employees can vote in the interest of the company, and if these votes aren't enough, the company can (pay to) raise public awareness about the cause. This works out well, because the influence the is proportional to the number of people who are affected by the fate of the company.

      And out of curiosity, how does a president go about taking money from poor people? Does he have pictures of all of the congressional reps and senators with goats or something?

      That was only a fictional example, designed to convey the idea that most shareholders would be in favor of the company lobbying for a law that would provide short-term benefit to the company, at society's expense.

      I guess what it boils down to is, I have a big problem with the fact that the system allows entities with large amounts of cash at their disposal to essentially buy governmental decisions, because I think such decisions should be made by as pure a democratic process as possible. So I view a company participating in this system evil in that regard, and I consider it admirable for a company to abstain. And I'm rather depressed that the overemphasis of money imposed by the corporate system makes it so difficult for a company to do anything that doesn't immediately provide profit, even if everyone in the company agrees it's the right thing to do.

    18. Re:You used to be cool, Google. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > It does not really matter what a company lobbies for, It's the fact that the company is using money to pervert the democratic process.

      First off, there is no democratic process, at least not the sort you'd like to bring back. It's dead. Get over it. Move on.

      The point is that maybe (not definitely, just maybe) Google's doing it in self-defence.

      The bottom line is that after you're worth a certain number of gigabucks, you need to play the lobbyist game in order to stay in business. Otherwise, someone else (Hi, Mr. Ballmer!) will lobby to have the rules changed so as to take your gigabucks and in so doing, put you out of business.

      > Representatives are meant to represent their constituents wishes , lobbying perverts this process .

      By way of analogy - suppose you have Windows on your machine. You are not the customer of Microsoft. You are the product. Dell and the other OEMs are the customers.

      Representatives and Senators always vote in the interests of their constituents. Their constituents are the lobbyists. The people who vote for them are not constituents - they're merely the tools produced by the constituents to keep a constituent's man in power.

    19. Re:You used to be cool, Google. by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      But that does not mean the corporation (as a group) should be allowed to directly influence the democratic process

      ... The employees can vote in the interest of the company, and if these votes aren't enough, the company can (pay to) raise public awareness about the cause


      These two ideas are mutually exclusive. If I and ten other people incorporate (for all of the sound reasons that people do such things) and run a company, and we feel (as a company!) that we have a vested interest in the company raising some issue in front of the legislators or executives that impact our industry - then we, as a corporate group, can and should do just that. If it costs money to run an ad, or costs money to have someone set up shop in the state (or nation's) capitol in order to make that communication happen regularly and with the right people, then so be it. It's the same thing that civic organizations, labor unions, teachers groups, wildlife conservationists, ham radio enthusiasts, and every other organization does. By supporting such groups (or such companies - and by choosing to work with, or invest in one, you do), your own political interests (and votes!) are going to be enhanced through whatever persuasion those voices can cause. This includes speaking to politicians and to other voters.

      I guess what it boils down to is, I have a big problem with the fact that the system allows entities with large amounts of cash at their disposal to essentially buy governmental decisions, because I think such decisions should be made by as pure a democratic process as possible.

      But such entities are made up of me, and you, and our fellow citizens. If they want to run ads, or contribute to campaigns, or hire someone to camp out in Washington and grab people for lunch to talk to them, that's free speech. If you're suggesting that there's outright bribery going on, then you should point out your examples, because people caught doing that are felons, and usually pay a very steep price.

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    20. Re:You used to be cool, Google. by rtb61 · · Score: 1
      Unfourtunately the only way to tackle lobbyists in the US system is with another lobbyist (they have managed to lock themselves in much the same as lawyers in the legal system) and to break that you have to get rid of lobbyists all together.

      Another method is the one that microsoft sunk to, get PR firms to misrepresent themselves as thousands of individuals and write to polititions with claims of support for microsoft, way to go willie arn't you pround of that one, I still can't understand why they were not prosecuted for that. Of course there is the honest version of this were many individuals unite under a common cause to bring about political and legal change for the common good.

      There also is the possibility of forcing a change in the system to block the participation of corporations in the political system in any way shape or form. After all the directors, mamangement, employees and shareholders can all participate as individuals, so participating as a corporation as well seems like double dipping (especially as any participation of a corporation will not be in the public interest, it will only be in the interests of the management of that corporation).

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    21. Re:You used to be cool, Google. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MS is people

      Microsoft is Soylent Green!

      Does he have pictures of all of the congressional reps and senators with goats or something? ...yes.

  15. everyone is buying power while they can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Humanists in America just appointed a new lobbyist to represent
    athiest biews in Washington. I heard these days everyone is trying to buy power
    in DC because the currency is rising rapidly. Providing the salary apropriate for an
    experienced political fixer plus the enormous
    costs of travel and expenses make it no trivial matter. To be in this game you need big funding.
    The sad thing is this is a sign that government over there is no longer representative. Companies,
    campaign groups and NGOs in the USA all have to stump up lots of cash if they want a voice. It really
    looks like a system of 'paid for government' from here. Google may well acheive many of their
    aims but the fact remains, it is not democracy or even feintly representative government.

  16. Google goes to Washington? by bogaboga · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Hah! Microsoft will follow suit. I am sure Ballmer will be packing his bags soon.

    Question is:

    How can I have a share on this?

    1. Re:Google goes to Washington? by kibbey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Micr$oft hired platoons of lobbyists years ago.

    2. Re:Google goes to Washington? by marsperson · · Score: 2, Funny

      The Ballmer approach to lobbying: hurl chairs at legislators until he gets his way.

  17. Illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In many countries this is illegal for obvious reasons.

    1. Re:Illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      In many countries this is illegal for obvious reasons.

      That's right, in many countries the people are not allowed to influence their governments and if they persist they can end up dead.

    2. Re:Illegal by Jesus+2.0 · · Score: 1

      Google is not a person.

  18. Opening an office != Hiring a lobbyist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article title is misleading. Google has had lobbyists on tap in Washington for quite awhile. Google is is also a member of trade groups (e.g. - NetCoalition) which do a substantial amount of lobbying on behalf of the search/tech/ad/etc industries. They're opening an actual government relations office now - a big step up from hiring a few lobbyists who split their time with other clients.

    Senate lobbying disclosures here.
    House lobbying disclosures here.

  19. Re:Pay per story? by Lucractius · · Score: 1

    see my above rundown of the google stories in the last week. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=164702&cid=137 46380

    They get more news than BSD :( [ i like BSD :P ], time to give them there own section indeed i think.

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  20. Lobby against search and seizure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know, I know. It's been mentioned before, but I thinking it's important not to forget:

    With Google's pervasiveness into cataloging the web and email, what are the chances that law enforcement would ask for your records to investigate you without telling you why and banning you from telling anyone else about it? News search.

    What are the chances law enforcement would commandeer Google in the interest of "fighting terrorism"?

    Just think about it, that's all.

  21. Google Blog Link and Content by lababidi · · Score: 5, Informative
    http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/10/google-goes -to-washington.html
    Google goes to Washington

    10/06/2005 07:09:00 AM
    Posted by Andrew McLaughlin, Senior Policy Counsel

    It seems that policymaking and regulatory activity in Washington, D.C. affect Google and our users more every day. It's important to be involved - to participate in the policy process and contribute to the debates that inform it. So we've opened up a shop there. The first member of our Washington team is Alan Davidson, a veteran thinker and advocate for issues we care about.

    Our mission in Washington boils down to this: Defend the Internet as a free and open platform for information, communication and innovation. OK, that sounds a little high and mighty, so let me break it down into something a bit wonkier with a sampling of the U.S. policy issues we're working on:

    Net neutrality. As voice, video, and data rapidly converge, Congress is rewriting U.S. telecommunications laws and deregulating broadband connectivity, which is largely a good thing. But in a country where most citizens have only one or two viable broadband options, there are real dangers for the Internet: Should network operators be able to block their customers from reaching competing websites and services (such as Internet voice calls and video-on-demand)? Should they be able to speed up their own sites and services, while degrading those offered by competitors? Should an innovator with a new online service or application be forced to get permission from each broadband cable and DSL provider before rolling it out? Or, if that's not blunt enough for you, what's better: [a] Centralized control by network operators, or [b] free user choice on the decentralized, open, and astoundingly successful end-to-end Internet? (Hint: It's not [a].)

    Copyrights and fair use. Google believes in protecting copyrights while maintaining strong, viable fair use rights in this new digital age. We support efforts by the U.S. Copyright Office to facilitate the use of orphan works (works whose rights-holders can't be found), while fully respecting the interests of creators. We applauded the Supreme Court's carefully calibrated decision in the Grokster case, but worked to defeat legislation that would have created new forms of liability for neutral technologies and services like Google.

    Intermediary liability. As a search engine, Google crawls the Internet, gathering information everywhere we can find it. We're a neutral tool that allows users to find information posted by others - like a continuously updated table of contents for the Internet. Not surprisingly, we don't believe the Internet works well if intermediaries and ISPs are held liable for things created by others but made searchable through us. That's why Google will continue to oppose efforts to force us to block or limit lawful speech; instead, we focus on providing users the information, tools, and features (such as SafeSearch) they need to protect themselves online.

    This is just a taste. We're also engaged in policy debates over privacy and spyware, trademark dilution, patent law reform, voice-over-Internet-protocol (VOIP) regulation, and more. The Internet policy world is fluid, so our priorities will surely morph over time. And, of course, Google is a global company. In a future post, we'll introduce you to some of the policy issues we're confronting outside the U.S.

    1. Re:Google Blog Link and Content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why Google will continue to oppose efforts to force us to block or limit lawful speech

      They left out the bit where they said "because it's not necessary as we're quite happy to tell you how you, as a government, can do it yourself"

      Isn't that right china?

    2. Re:Google Blog Link and Content by capnspanky · · Score: 1

      Did anyone mirror the site? It seems the link got slashdotted.

    3. Re:Google Blog Link and Content by danharan · · Score: 1

      I can't think of any company blogging about their lobbying efforts.

      With so many people watching Google's every move, this could introduce a lot of people to issues most /.'ers care about.

      This could have quite an interesting impact. I pity the elected officials that side with vested interests and go against popular company arguing for sane policies supported by most of their informed constituents.

      If Google stays open about its efforts, it could get far more bang for the buck.

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  22. Where did this text come from? by Teun · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "Among its efforts, the government has worked to shield private U.S. companies from demands by the United Nations and other countries for multilateral control of the Net."

    I can't find it in TFA so was it included by the DIY News or CowboyNeal?

    Anyway, does the author mean to say Google would rather not be protected by the Washington government of the day?

    Personally I find commercial interests should be banned to get involved in politics at any level, in a democracy they don't have voting rights so it's none of their business.

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    1. Re:Where did this text come from? by 123beer · · Score: 1

      Google cannot vote, but as a corporation it is an "individual" by law, just like you or I. Banning corporations from being involved with politics denies them (the corporations themselves, not the people who run them) their right to free speech as citizens.

    2. Re:Where did this text come from? by patternjuggler · · Score: 1

      The editor or submitter is just throwing that in there as a troll, there was a heated discussion the other day on slashdot about that.

  23. brilliant by scooviduvoctagon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Google sees a presence in Washington as a necessity as government becomes more involved in the Net's development." So.... google goes and lobbies to further involve the government in the Net's development - thereby lending even more weight and leverage to the very phenomena that caused them to hire some weasel out of washington in the first place - brilliant. Don't feed the Government. It only encourages them.

  24. Not Making Microsoft's Mistake by donnacha · · Score: 5, Insightful
    One of the biggest mistakes Microsoft made was not realizing early enough that they needed to pump a substantial slice of their pie to DC. If they had had an astute lobbyist on the ground, making "campaign contributions" to both sides, there never would have been a government investigation, they wouldn't have lost momentum through having their attention diverted and their public image wouldn't have taken quite such a beating - who will ever forget the belligerent attitude of Gates' deposition, who could have failed to smile at the embarrassing memos that were trawled up?

    As a side note for non-US citizens: in America corruption has been legalized in the form of campaign contributions. To get elected, politicians must spend vast sums of money on TV advertising. The airwaves that get TV to the masses nominally belong to "the people" but are sold off to major corporations such as GE for a pittance. The corportations then create programming that desperately pursues a mass audience (i.e. quality is not enough, as in the case of Firefly, cancelled before even finishing it's 1st season). The corporations then sell that mass audience back to the politicians in the form of short adverts. The adverts are extremely expensive but the experience of the past half century has consistently shown that the frequency of adverts has a vital role in winning office.

    This is great for the corporations because, far more importantly than the revenue that they earn from this exploding advertising spend, it means that no politician has a realistic chance of getting into power unless he is getting lots of corporate campaign contributions (corporate contributions dwarf personal) and, therefore, no representative of the people will ever be able to truly work in the people's interests. Both of the main American parties are equally dependent on this system and, therefore, the only real differences that can exist between them are presentational.

    The problem with Microsoft was that they got big so quickly that they didn't have time to take the hint and assume their role in this particular circle of corruption. One of the first things they did when the Clinton administration turned on them was to hire the most expensive lobbyists they could find and start spraying contributions in all directions., guaranteeing that next adminstration, Republican or Democrat, would step down the legal attack.

    Google is making sure that they don't make the same mistake.

    1. Re:Not Making Microsoft's Mistake by a8o · · Score: 1

      Half century? Kennedy is widely acknowledged as the first 'television president' and the debates iwth Nixon were certainly not prohibitively expensive.

    2. Re:Not Making Microsoft's Mistake by donnacha · · Score: 2, Informative
      Half century? Kennedy is widely acknowledged as the first 'television president' and the debates iwth Nixon were certainly not prohibitively expensive.

      The Nixon/Kennedy debate was programming i.e. an actual show that individual viewers chose to watch. True, Kennedy's television performance received the credit for his victory but, at that time, the scale of advertising's influence was beneath the radar of most commentators - they simply prefered to believe that their fellow countrymen had made an informed decision based on debate rather than mere advertising. The advertising industry itself has historically sought to downplay it's influence: see cigarettes, childrens toys, junk food. I have no idea what the level of media spend was during that election but you can be confident that, even by 1960, the military-industrial complex was suffiently in control to sway elections, I refer you to Dwight D. Eisenhower's 1961 speech on the matter as he prepared to hand over power to President elect Kennedy.

      It is worth noting, too, that, in the English language, the phrase "the experience of the past half century" means that one is considering that span as a whole. You will also commonly find that people use half century units in a rather general way, not meaning to suggest that a general trend popped into existence at precisely 2:11PM on the 9th of October 1955.

  25. Google Goes to Washington by patriciacurtis · · Score: 0, Troll

    Yeah OK Microsoft is the Evil empire, but remember the Evil Empire brought you Home PC's Free Internet browsers, Human Friendly Operating systems etc.. and yeah they don't stick to Standards, but again they mostly do the standard and more as most of the little tricks that MS put in are then adopted by Open Source Developers etc.... But now its a different time and its Google time, google Free this, free that but not free of advertisements. Also remember that most Services on the T'Internet start free to gain the customer base. Lets see where google goes before we start proclaiming Google is good and MS is bad. don't get me wrong, I don't support MS i have just been the the business long enough to remember what it was like before Windows.

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    1. Re:Google Goes to Washington by cockroach2 · · Score: 2

      So have I, and I clearly remember the Amiga Workbench (and, from what I hear, Apple) being rather "Human Friendly" etc too. And wasn't lynx free as well? :)

      Anyway, not trying to start a war, just providing some input.

    2. Re:Google Goes to Washington by nicodaemos · · Score: 4, Informative

      ... remember the Evil Empire brought you Home PC's Free Internet browsers, Human Friendly Operating systems etc ...

      Well, actually

      a) IBM created the home PC market
      b) NCSA Mosaic and Netscape first provided free browsers
      c) Apple created the first Human Friendly OS

      The only part MS played in these were

      a) Good marketing and creative legal contract negotiating
      b) Copying the competition and using their OS monopoly to push their own product
      c) Copying the competition and using their App - OS relationship to aggressively kill off the competition ... yeah they don't stick to Standards, but again they mostly do the standard and more as most of the little tricks that MS put in are then adopted by Open Source Developers ...

      You need to expand your mind more and read things other than what Microsoft's propaganda machine puts out. This is just not true. ... don't get me wrong, I don't support MS i have just been the the business long enough to remember what it was like before Windows.

      For someone who "remembers", you seem to have little knowledge of the facts.

      Microsoft is not considered the Evil Empire for making money ... it's the simple fact that innovation to them, means using creative marketing and legal tactics to conquer a market. The engineering of the product (what the customer most cares about) is inconsequential and not pursued. This ensures they get to maintain their 80% margins in their monopoly businesses. Create buggy OS, shove it down user's throats, repeat for next version.

      I just don't get why some people allow themselves to be repeatedly victimized by a crappy vendor and instead of calling them on it, actually choose to defend them.

    3. Re:Google Goes to Washington by mcc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah OK Microsoft is the Evil empire, but remember the Evil Empire brought you Home PC's Free Internet browsers, Human Friendly Operating systems etc..

      Microsoft would certainly like you to think so.

      However anyone who was actually around when these things first appeared remember things more like this:

      People other than Microsoft brought us home PCs, free internet browsers, human friendly operating systems etc; and then Microsoft hijacked these things, and made it impossible for anyone else to become powerful in those markets.

      I am quite confident that if Microsoft ever does defeat google, ten years later people will be ardently insisting Microsoft invented the search engine.

    4. Re:Google Goes to Washington by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google didn't invent the search engine. Most people probably think Yahoo! did, but (according to Wikipedia) it was some guy at MIT.

    5. Re:Google Goes to Washington by mcc · · Score: 1

      Oh, I wasn't trying to imply they did.

    6. Re:Google Goes to Washington by alphakappa · · Score: 1

      "People other than Microsoft brought us home PCs, free internet browsers, human friendly operating systems etc; and then Microsoft hijacked these things, and made it impossible for anyone else to become powerful in those markets."

      You have it wrong, my friend. People other than Microsoft invented those things. Microsoft brought it to us. Microsoft made it possible for the average person to have access to these things. If it was IBM and Apple, you'd either use computers in institutions, or have to be a rich snob to use them. Microsoft made home computers a commodity item. The fact that they have questionable business practices does not change this.

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    7. Re:Google Goes to Washington by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 1

      You obviously haven't been in the business since the dawn of PCs. It was MITS (Altair), Imsai (8080), Apple (Apple 1), Commodore (PET), Tandy (TRS-80), Osborne (Osborne 1), Kaypro (Kaypro II), and IBM (PC) that brought us personal computers, luggables, and portables - in roughly that order. Microsoft had nothing to do with hardware - they lucked into getting the OS contract for the IBM PC, and bought a cheap CP/M clone and called it 'DOS.'

      The point and click GUI was invented in the early 1970's (71?) in the Xerox PARC and brought to the masses with the Apple Macintosh in 1984 (83?).

    8. Re:Google Goes to Washington by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You have it wrong, my friend. [...] Microsoft made home computers a commodity item.

      You're welcome to your own private ignorance, but don't insult others by trying to force it upon them.

    9. Re:Google Goes to Washington by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      Look, the "computer revolution" caused otherwise good managers to lose their minds. Those old guys were replaced by machines that told them what to do. This progression has led us into the great mediocracy and control by people who depend on machines.

      The accountants, MBAs and marketing people have taken over previously innovative companies - get used to it. They (those who have limited creativity) have taken over and just re-hash what has been done before because that's all they know what to do.

      And it's going to just get worse with powerful interests demanding (and getting) government protection.

  26. You joke, but.... by clark625 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm in the Army currently, and my office computer has access to a bunch of Department of Defense internal networks that suposedly has all the data I could ever want. The problem is it's poorly indexed. So, if I need a particular obscure form or technical manual, it can be near impossible to find. What scares me is that I can often go to Google and find the data I want (or at least a link to a secure server with the data).

    google.gov may seem silly to those in the private sector... but if Google did index private government and military sites, and allowed access only to authorized individuals, I wouldn't complain. Heck, I'd be happy at my new efficiency.

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    1. Re:You joke, but.... by generic-man · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Couldn't the various agencies get Google Search Appliances and then enable searching across all their various networks?

      (Google would be done faster than the government anyway, even after Google's mandatory 6-year beta period.)

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    2. Re:You joke, but.... by Stonehand · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Do Google's search algorithms make sense for an intranet in which you probably don't have quite the diversity of link counts? On the web, you have pages which have massive in-links and pages which have extremely few, but on an intranet, is that a reliably available and reasonable indicator of authority?

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    3. Re:You joke, but.... by Kiaser+Wilhelm+II · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I dont know how the search appliances work differently than Google.com, but what I do know is that they work damned well at our company for indexing informration just like Google.com does for the whole net.

      If Google is marketing these appliances at various sized companies, then I would imagine they would have taken the time to make the algorithims appropriate for the target audience.

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    4. Re:You joke, but.... by 13bPower · · Score: 1

      well, don't some of googles job listings specify top secet clearance or better? I was told that google was (is being?) brought in to index all of the CIA's info.

    5. Re:You joke, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that Google is on the Secret level internet, as well as the Top Secret level internet, right? I use them daily.

    6. Re:You joke, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Google is on the Secret and well as Top Secret networks. I believe it is run by Intellink on both.

    7. Re:You joke, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a bunch of Department of Defense internal networks that suposedly has all the data I could ever want. The problem is it's poorly indexed.

      Just upload the DoD pages to some tripod and geocities web sites and Google will index them for you. Problem solved!

    8. Re:You joke, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We at the IRS just got Googlified on our intranet. Haven't tried it out as of yet though.

    9. Re:You joke, but.... by Ronald+Dumsfeld · · Score: 1
      Do Google's search algorithms make sense for an intranet in which you probably don't have quite the diversity of link counts?
      You sort-of have a point, and one that would probably be particularly thorny for the military. To get PageRank working on the mass of documents like training manuals, you'd also have to have every trivial communication spidered. All email and orders, regardless of classification.

      Are the guys at Google smart enough to build a system that can work with classified and non-classifed? Perhaps. I'm sure some of them would love to work on the problem, but would they get the clearance?
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      There's supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom.
    10. Re:You joke, but.... by HBI · · Score: 1

      The two aren't even on the same network in most cases, and interconnecting the two is only permitted with the knowledge that the data that passes outside the classified network is actually unclassified, and the the host which acts as the link doesn't cache any of the data.

      This would seem to rule out the use of search engines that aggregate data.

      The whole idea would be laughed out of the room by those who approve such things. The very aggregation of data can raise the classification level of the whole. Anything like a Google for classified data would be so highly classified only the President and close advisers could use it, which defeats the whole purpose of having such an engine, since those high officials aren't the ones who would be using it. They read briefs prepared by others.

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    11. Re:You joke, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Anything like a Google for classified data would be so highly classified only the President and close advisers could use it, which defeats the whole purpose of having such an engine, since those high officials aren't the ones who would be using it. They read briefs prepared by others.

      Funny story, really. I work for NSA, and we have the Google search appliance index all of our internal classified networks. If it's cleared for TOP SECRET, then aggregation isn't really gonna increase it all that much. As a NB, what would the point be of information so classified ONLY the President can know? Where are the analysts to tell him what it means?

      -- Anonymous Coward, with a capital Coward.

    12. Re:You joke, but.... by Idarubicin · · Score: 1
      On the web, you have pages which have massive in-links and pages which have extremely few, but on an intranet, is that a reliably available and reasonable indicator of authority?

      On the other hand, on a corporate intranet the type of search performed, the dataset one is searching, and the searcher's behaviour and motivations are different creatures. Off the top of my head, those should all improve the performance of a search appliance.

      On a corporate intranet one doesn't have to deal with millions of spam marketers who have done their best to ensure that their irrelevant sites comes first.

      The search space is a lot smaller--corporations will usually have a document library that is orders of magnitude smaller than the Internet.

      The searchers often have an intimate awareness of internal company jargon and other specialized knowledge which can help to tune their keyword selection.

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      ~Idarubicin
    13. Re:You joke, but.... by HBI · · Score: 1

      You win the 'missing the point' award. The great-grandparent was about mingling classified and unclassified networks.

      There are things classified higher than TS.

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  27. Money by PGC · · Score: 2, Funny

    Buy your congressman today !

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  29. Wth? by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Among its efforts, the government has worked to shield private U.S. companies from demands by the United Nations and other countries for multilateral control of the Net."

    Says who, and why?

    It seems to me that a multilateral (global) control of the dns servers could only be a good thing for global companies.

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    Be yourself no matter what they say
    1. Re:Wth? by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      Says who and why? Says the US government, repeatedly.

      http://www.physorg.com/news6901.html
      http://www.internetnews.com/xSP/article.php/355468 6

      This is all only the latest even in a long history of similar events.

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    2. Re:Wth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems to me that a multilateral (global) control of the dns servers could only be a good thing for global companies.

      Not for ICANN. And "shielding private U.S. companies" from the evil UN probably scores brownie points with the xenophobic voters.

    3. Re:Wth? by MrSnivvel · · Score: 1

      It seems to me that a multilateral (global) control of the dns servers could only be a good thing for global companies.

      I would encourage you to check out Article 29, paragraph 3 of the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights." It's an interesting clause basically stating that all the preceeding rights are null if they are contrary to the UN's mission.

      Here is the exact quote and the link to the page: "These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations."

      I can't see how turning over control of any part of the Internet, or anything else, to an organization that does not have representation of the people themselves, only the member states, and has a clause that nullifies its principles if they interfere with the UN.

    4. Re:Wth? by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 1

      It seems to me that a multilateral (global) control of the dns servers could only be a good thing for global companies.

      It'd be horrible. Rather than just buying off the US Gov't (directly or indirectly) they'd have to buy off the Canadians, and the Germans, and the French, and the British, and everyone else. To do that, they'd have to raise prices on everything. So it's really very bad for companies, consumers, and American politicians.

    5. Re:Wth? by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 1

      The "these rights and freedoms" part refers to the previous two paragraphs, not to the whole declaration, but please do continue your rant...

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    6. Re:Wth? by MrSnivvel · · Score: 1

      The "these rights and freedoms" part refers to the previous two paragraphs, not to the whole declaration, but please do continue your rant...

      You're incorrect. The rights that are specified in the document are in Articles 1 through 27. The fact that the same phrase, "rights and freedoms" also appear in the second paragraph is the proof that they are not refering to only the paragraphs in Article 29. Articles 28 through 30 are clauses to the document.

      To you contention that a global organization such as the UN is the solution, I would suggest alternate DNS root servers and IPv6 to get around the "US domination" of the Internet. A technical problem needs a technical solution, not a bureaucratic one. With the URL that you have selected for your homepage, it would seem that that would have come to mind.

  30. congressmen going cheap, three for a dollar by peterjhill2002 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not a huge deal people... Yes, lobbyists can be bad... I don't know who is looked up to more... pimps, used car salesmen, crack dealers, or lobbyists... ... but... eff also has lobbyists, there has to be some linux centered lobbyists around d.c... it is a sad fact that money buys power and our congress is cheap.. I am surprised though it took this long to get google to have a three person office inside the beltway...

    I just hope they can stop some of the insane things that other lobbyist try to put through.. like flags on digital tv content... bad congresscritter bad... sit in a corner in timeout for two minutes.

  31. I hate Google! Well, not yet. by elgee · · Score: 1

    How many years will it take before Google becomes so ubiquitous that it will replace Microsoft as everybody's object of hate?

    Or will it become the good big boy on the block?

  32. It doesn't mention it, he was trolling by NigelJohnstone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    http://googleblog.blogspot.com/

    "Net neutrality. As voice, video, and data rapidly converge, Congress is rewriting U.S. telecommunications laws and deregulating broadband connectivity, which is largely a good thing. But in a country where most citizens have only one or two viable broadband options, there are real dangers for the Internet: Should network operators be able to block their customers from reaching competing websites and services (such as Internet voice calls and video-on-demand)? Should they be able to speed up their own sites and services, while degrading those offered by competitors? Should an innovator with a new online service or application be forced to get permission from each broadband cable and DSL provider before rolling it out? Or, if that's not blunt enough for you, what's better: [a] Centralized control by network operators, or [b] free user choice on the decentralized, open, and astoundingly successful end-to-end Internet? (Hint: It's not [a].)"

  33. Re:Bad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Therefore all lobbyists are mimes.

  34. what do u expect by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 1

    Companies, by definition, exist if they make money. As they get larger, and loose their monopoly posistion(derived eithr from patents or superior technology that is hard to copy) and become more subject to market and regulatory forces, all companies that start good become just another company; that is, it is easier to make money by buying some congressman then by coming up with new products. IT is easier to dump toxic waste into the river in the third world then act responsibly; these things just happen
    Its like a fundamental law of nature.

    today, Google may be a nice place run by nice guys, but eventually they will become like apple with its not fixing broken ipods, if not worse.

    Of course in a institution that size, there will always be a few pockets of innovation and niceness, but overall, googles days as a friend of the hacker and innovator are almost over.

  35. Maybe its me by nicolasmendo · · Score: 0

    but this " Among its efforts, the government has worked to shield private U.S. companies from demands by the United Nations and other countries for multilateral control of the Net." seems to be written as if it were a good thing. I think the idea of the U.S. or any particular government controlling the intenet is scary, and defies the very spirit of the web.

  36. The Advent Of Liberation Of Knowledge Is Nigh by mercedo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a very good constructive initiative. The price of book in paper includes cost to bind a book, cost of paper, printing, and then loyalty of copyright. In the age of the Internet almost limitless proliferation of copyrighted materials can be done, the price of book should exclude other than loyalty of copyright. I hope the price of knowledge's going to be much cheaper than the price of book in paper. Welcome.

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    1. Re:The Advent Of Liberation Of Knowledge Is Nigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hrm, yeah. The paper costs about a dime or a quarter.

      Viva la revolucion...

  37. Re:Bad. by elgee · · Score: 1

    A Mime is a terrible thing to waste.

  38. Quick Question by cgenman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does he get to lobby for whatever he wants one day a week?

  39. A lobbyist in Washington? by Dehumanizer · · Score: 1

    Let's see, his name is Wesley Mouch? :)

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  40. total control, but by the wrong people by Breizh · · Score: 0, Troll

    "the government has worked to shield private U.S. companies from demands by the United Nations and other countries for multilateral control of the Net."

    Of course, screw the rest of the world, the U.S. governement wants TOTAL control of the net.

    Now you can just imagine how this sort of thing makes the rest of the world simply LOVE the USA ...

  41. Free speech by andersh · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I think you can safely call the French a paragon of free speech! After all where do you think those ideals came from? Some people forget quickly:

    French Revolution
    Looking to the United States Declaration of Independence for a model, on August 26, 1789, the Assembly published the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen. Like the U.S. Declaration, it comprised a statement of principles rather than a constitution with legal effect.

    Causes of the French Revolution include the following:
    # Bad economical situation, partly because of France's involvement and aid in the American Revolution.
    # Resentment of seigneurialism by peasants, wage-earners, and, to a lesser extent, the bourgeoisie
    # Resentment at noble privilege and dominance in public life by the ambitious professional classes.
    # Influence of the American Revolution.

    1. Re:Free speech by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, and they make good wine. The parent's point is still well-taken. I hear all the words that the EU is spouting over this issue, and I don't accept them. Europe and it's allies in this matter may not trust us to manage the root servers, but honestly ... given all the posturing and threatening attitudes they have been exhibiting lately I don't trust them either. Not their decidedly anti-American motivations nor their future intentions.

      They claim they are worried that the U.S. might attempt to control or influence DNS in a manner detrimental to their interests. We have not done so, have expressed zero intentions of ever doing so, and are simply not interested in doing so. Why would we want to do that? The economic and cultural benefits of the World Wide Web to the United States have been spectacular and there really would be no good reason for us to screw things up. Complain about ICANN if you wish, and there is a lot to complain about, but it was a good-faith effort on the part of the United States to involve other nations in Internet governance. That's a HELL of a lot more than than anyone else would have done.

      Look past the words. This multinational power grab has more to do with the fact that the United States has not attempted to "control" the Web (and I say "Web", not "Internet" since the two are not synonymous and we are only discussing the root servers here.) In fact the U.S. has let anyone and everyone (including the Chinese, French, Iranians and North Koreans the GP mentioned) use the Domain Name System for any purpose they choose. That seriously bothers a lot of governmental types (including your precious French) who would ever so much rather that governments get to decide what their people can and cannot do with this new communications medium, not the people themselves. The substantial efforts that China is making in that regard (the Great Firewall, crackdowns, prison sentences, etc.) should tell anyone with half a brain that the openness and fundamentally egalitarian nature of the Web are not welcomed by everyone.

      Face it, the Internet took most of the governments of this world by complete surprise. If the U.S. had simply given China or any other government the authority to remove DNS records at will none of them would care who "runs" the root servers. But we didn't ... we kept them wide open, for the benefit of all. Consequently, we have to be removed so that those other governments can impose controls more to their liking. To all you Europe Union folks lurking here on Slashdot, ask yourselves this question: would you rather have {insert your government here} in charge of your DNS (effectively determining what sites your browser can see) or the United States, which has kept the Web free and open? I have a pretty good idea what a lot of Chinese citizens would say.

      A larger problem is going to be when these dipstick politicians allow the system to be fragmented and substantially less effective. Believe me, they'll do it, because political will and a desire for power frequently don't acknowledge reality. I don't think they realize yet just how powerful a tool the Internet is, and not just in terms of freedom-of-speech issues and international commerce. Scientific and technological (and hence economic) development has become heavily dependent upon sophisticated communications and will suffer if the global Internet becomes sufficiently fractured. That means real jobs and real lives are going to be affected. If there was ever a case of "for God's sake just leave well enough alone" this is it.

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    2. Re:Free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To sum up: the UN doesn't want America to control the root servers because they hate freedom!

    3. Re:Free speech by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      I didn't mention the United Nations ... but a goodly number of their member nations don't. Period.

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  42. Re:total control, but by the wrong people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We invented it, we control it, it's ours. We just let you use some of it. If you don't like it, setup your own root servers and see how we care.

  43. and everywhere you go you see google... by h2k1 · · Score: 1

    and one day, google campus turned out into 01... and everyone didn't noticed, because it wasn't displayed at google earth.

  44. Most Misleading Summary by loyukfai · · Score: 1

    Hats off to the submitted for the "Most Misleading Summary" award of the week.

  45. Invented by who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The Internet was not just a US project. The US invented some parts - and others in cooperation with Western nations. But then again I imagine China, Russia and Africa did NOT contribute :)

    Remember that the most significant part, the Web, was invented by a European researcher at CERN in Europe. I know the Internet is more than the Web - however tell that to your congressman.

  46. Google or US Global Domination? by fairyliquidizer · · Score: 1

    "Among its efforts, the government has worked to shield private U.S. companies from demands by the United Nations and other countries for multilateral control of the Net." I see no evidence of this been a charitable act by the US Government or in the interests of American business. The US Government is clearly acting in this colonial manner in order to retain its power. It is acting in its interests which are not necessarily the same as the interests of US citizens, US business, or the people of the Free World (tm). The rest of the world is concerned that the internet could be used as a tool of US foreign policy (in addition to current military, economic, and diplomatic tools). In addition US domestic policy on matters as diverse as (but not limited to) Intellectual Property, Digital Rights, and sexual morality may influence decisions. I'm not sure how the Google story is linked to propoganda on the "US Government versus World over the Internet" story. Personally I think the American people may benefit from the Internet becoming less of a political football and more of a shared global resource.

  47. Re:I hate Google! Well, not yet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "He loved Big Brother"

  48. Our Great Democracy by malsdavis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ahh, great to see our great nation's "democratic" process at work. If only I was rich enough to afford my own lobbyist, then I could get that bit extra say in government also.

    Hang on that doesn't sound like the democracy they talked about in school!

    1. Re:Our Great Democracy by Moderator · · Score: 0

      Had you bothered to pay attention in school, you would know that this "democracy" is actually a "republic."

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    2. Re:Our Great Democracy by Jesus+2.0 · · Score: 1

      The two are not mutually incompatible. We are both. Before you argue back at me, look in a freaking dictionary, moron. Excuse me, pedantic yet incorrect moron. If it's too fucking hard for your idiotic brain to do that, here's a link to the word in a prominent dictionary. I particularly suggest looking at definition 1A, and thinking about what the word "especially" implies about whether or not "only" applies, and definition 1B, and thinking about the words "or indirectly".

      Sorry, but you have struck a pet peeve of mine, and I'm an asshole.

  49. Shielding companies? that's nice? by Angostura · · Score: 0, Troll

    And when we say

    Among its efforts, the government has worked to shield private U.S. companies from demands by the United Nations and other countries for multilateral control of the Net."

    we mean, of course that U.S politicians have worked to maintain their unilateral control of an international infrastructure

    1. Re:Shielding companies? that's nice? by Angostura · · Score: 1

      Wow, my first ever troll moderation. I guess sometimes the truth hurts.

  50. mod this guy Funny, guys! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    isn't it?
    or insightful?
    or interesting?

  51. Google already has an EU lobbyist by FlorianMueller · · Score: 3, Interesting
    In the build-up to the European Parliament's second-reading vote, a Google lobbyist also became active in Brussels (the de-facto capital of the EU). Patricia Moll previously worked for Microsoft as Government Affairs Manager. If you search for her name on Google in connection with Microsoft's name, you can still find various articles and other references.

    Since Google had not been involved in the earlier stages of the debate on that European software patent directive, they didn't want to publicly state their position on that controversial issue. However, Patricia was in close contact with the FFII, a non-governmental organization that opposes software patents, as well as some companies that were at least somewhat critical of software patents.

    It seems that Google mostly lobbied for a far-reaching interoperability privilege. That's important to them so they can, for instance, perform certain operations on PDF files as part of their search services. Some people said that Google was also critical of the idea to legalize software patents in Europe, and that may have been the case, but none of the MEPs who I asked was able to confirm that Google took a critical position on software patents (I didn't ask that question to many politicians, so the fact that no one confirmed it may not mean much).

  52. Lets see how we at Slashdot will look at this by billnad · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Google has easily replaced Microsoft as the most powerful computer company in the world and we are now seeing them flex that power. There are two ways in a vacuum to look at this:
    1. Google is looking after the people by using their force for good and making sure the bad government and other corporations are kept in check.
    2. Google has moved to the dark side and are in bed with big government and big business.

    Of course we do not live in a vacuum and the reality is probably that Google really has to protect it's position now. As we have all seen over the last 30 years in this industry just becuase you are number one now does not mean you will be tomorrow and the big owners of Google of course recognize that and are going to make sure they are being spoken for when anti-trust, monopoly and copyrights are being talked about in the back rooms of Washington

  53. WE WE WE by imbaczek · · Score: 0, Troll

    Among its efforts, the government has worked to shield private U.S. companies from demands by the United Nations and other countries for multilateral control of the Net.

    And then you proceed to bitch about how the world hates you. Scary.

  54. in other news..... by Varun+Soundararajan · · Score: 2, Funny

    Google plans to hire Mr. GW Bush to influence the laws governing the entire US and its allies. Bourses reacted sharply with a steep increase in Google's share price. The other rumor is that google might also hire Mr.@#$&%&*, who currently is President of all Martian creatures.
    End of bulletin

  55. I wish they'd play hardball by billcopc · · Score: 1

    With the kind of ubiquitous social presence that google commands, I wish they'd play harder at this game. I wouldn't be averse to them flat-out buying a whole panel of asshat politicians if it means we could shift the balance of power toward open communication and information pooling. I see Google as an important step towards knowledge-driven society (think Star Trek, minus the clingy outfits). They do things in broad, evolutionary strokes, and they often turn the industry around by breaking patterns and offering a fresh look at the building blocks of information exchange.

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  56. Now how'd the U.N. sneak in here? by mcc · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The article summary has an odd little sentence suddenly announcing that one of the issues relevant to Google's lobbying is the U.S. "shielding" "companies" from "multilateralism". But the article doesn't mention the U.N. at all, or anything related to them or the EU or the DNS internationalization dispute, and while Google News has lots of stories about Google hiring this lobbyist, searches for "google U.N." or "google EU" turn up nothing whatsoever relevant. The only specific thing Google says in the linked article about their motivations in hiring this lobbyist:
    "Google believes in protecting copyrights while maintaining strong, viable fair use rights in this digital age," McLaughlin wrote.
    Looks like somebody was trying to use the slashdot front page as a soapbox for their belief that evil "multilateralism" is something U.S. companies need to be "shielded" from, and then subtly imply that Google agrees with them?

    Interesting, because it seems to me that the only thing the U.S. government is "shielding" from the international community is its own power. It also seems to me that if instead of demanding government control over the root servers and touching off this spat with the EU/UN, the Administration had just handed control of the DNS servers over to ICANN like it originally promised, U.S. companies would be the primary beneficiaries. ICANN is certainly an entity with problems, but right now it is nothing if not an industry body.
  57. "Shield" private companies? by Nice2Cats · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    Among its efforts, the government has worked to shield private U.S. companies from demands by the United Nations and other countries for multilateral control of the Net.

    "Shield"? You make it sound like somethiing positive. Frankly, the idea that Mr. WMD-in-Iraq, God-told-me-to-do-it has the power to shut down the Internet anytime he chooses anywhere he chooses is not a happy one. This is a simple and brutal power grab, and in the long run, it will lead to the Internet breaking apart because other countries -- even the allies we have left -- will not suffer a heavy-handed bully to have a stranglehold over such an important part of their economy. Can't say I blame them, honestly. Google and the other companies are of course happy with this setup, because this way, they only have to bribe one set of politicians.

    1. Re:"Shield" private companies? by Merovign · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Umm, did I miss the part where Bush did, or threatened to, or mentioned "shutting down the internet?"

      How would he gain control over foreign servers? Would he nationalize the backbone companies?

      Who's more likely to tamper with the nameservers (or the backbone), the US, China, Cuba, Iran?

      It's a "brutal power grab" for those in charge of the nameservers to NOT give them up? How can a NON-CHANGE be a power grab?

      Nameservers and ICANN are a "stranglehold?"

      Does all that really make sense to you?

      The US has a pretty good (not perfect) record on letting internet traffic and sites do what they want, here or abroad. And a generally pretty good record on free speech. Neither can be said for one of the biggest pushers for "WICANN," China, or a lot of their followers-on. Matter of fact, Europe ain't too hot on free speech eaither, though nothing like China or Cuba.

  58. Government involvement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as government becomes more involved in the Net's development

    Waitasecond. The AKAImBatman troll swore up and down that UN involvement was unnecessary because USA government involvement was essentially nil. He wouldn't lie to us, would he? If he was lying, how come he's at +5, Insightful right now?

  59. I grew up in the DC area by evildogeye · · Score: 1

    The lobbyists always had the biggest houses in the neighborhood. And the only houses with two dishwashers in the kitchen.

  60. Such nice sounding words may not last by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Andrew McLaughlin held a similar role at ICANN during the period in which ICANN eviserated public representation in internet governance. Based on that background there is not a lot of reason to place a lot of faith in Google's pretty words or believe in any tooth fairy stories that Google has a deep commitment to internet users.

  61. We need more tech lobbyists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's right, the technology industry needs more lobbyists. Why is it that all the media companies are well organized (RIAA, MPAA) and regularly buy politicians to pass laws in their favor, but the technology industry as a whole, which has a MUCH larger revenue stream than entertainment, is less involved in politics?

    I think seeing a high profile tech company send someone to Washington is a good thing.

    But here's an idea: instead of bowing down and kissing the entertainment industry's asses (*cough*Microsoft DRM, Apple FairPlay, Trusted Computing, DVD CSS*cough*), why don't the technology companies collectively form a TIAA (Technology Industry Association of America), with the goal of passing laws that favor Fair Use rights for consumers, their customers. The argument will be that the restrictive DRM crap being pushed by the entertainment **AA's will make their products less useful, and therefore it needs to go away. Also, the engineering hours spent implementing that crap is time and money better spent elsewhere. It benefits no one except greedy entertainment empires that think they have a God-given right to set prices at whatever they wish, stifle innovation if it doesn't favor their existing business models, and control everything the American people watch, hear, read, etc. If music tracks get down to $.50 or less per song do you REALLY think anyone's going to bother pirating, even if Apple dumps all its DRM from its sold files? It would hardly be worth the time.

    Politicians will follow the money. Hollywood and the record labels would likely respond by trying even harder to buy politicians. Fine, let them play that game. Looking at the revenue streams of the two industries, I think I know who's going to win. The entertainment companies will choose to take part in an arms race and, like the Soviets, will spend themselves into bankruptcy by trying to keep up with a competitor that simply has more resources than they do.

  62. So much for "do no evil" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So much for "do no evil"

  63. Does this mean? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    That Google isnt cool anymore? They are acting like any other mega-corporation.

    Or does it take something else to de-cool them?

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  64. No they won't by Chemisor · · Score: 1

    > Nobody will want to get drunk on the steps of the Capitol with them except the Kennedy's.

    On the contrary, quite a few people will want to. For the same reason Orren Boyle got drunk with Wesley Mouch.

  65. 3-letter domains are obsolete by Jetson · · Score: 1
    Among its efforts, the government has worked to shield private U.S. companies from demands by the United Nations and other countries for multilateral control of the Net."

    You say this like it's a good thing....

    I think it's entirely reasonable for other countries to want to control their own top-level domains and know that the root server's won't suddenly "forget" them at the request of the Pentagon.

    The 3-letter domains should have been abandoned a long time ago, or at least placed below ".us" in the domain hierarchy. Organizations outside of the US would migrate to their own country's domain quickly enough.

  66. ./ robot by MHleads · · Score: 2, Informative

    Has ./ set a robot to post each blog entry of Google's official blog on Slashdot, albeit with a delay of 48 hrs?

    Here I give tomorrow's ./ headline - "Google launches Feed Reader"! No kiddin', visit reader.google.com

    1. Re:./ robot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's three times you reversed the "dot" and "slash". The site's name is right at the top of every page. I know you haven't posted in a while, but even after a few months you should still be able to remember whether the site is called "Slashdot" or "Dotslash".

  67. Myopia by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 1

    We have not done so, have expressed zero intentions of ever doing so, and are simply not interested in doing so.

    You're only focusing on one facet of a large issue, and in doing so you are missing the point. Its not about control of the internet, or control of what colour shoes you wear, or control at all. Its just the rest of the world throwing a spanner in the works of what they see as an increasingly belligerent and terrifyingly detached from reality America. The motions being taken by non-US governments to mess with the US are increasing across the board, because they are very worried about the religious right wing and its influence on the chief executive officer of US-corp, who by coincidence has his chubby pink finger on an awful lot of nuclear weapons.

    Thats still myopic and short term, however. Zooming out a bit, the situation the world finds itself in at this time has been seen before, its not new. Two large and powerful nations struggle, and finally one collapses into utter defeat. The victor is left with a superbly trained, massive, and extremely aggressive army. What are you going to do with your milion trained killers, fire them? Perhaps they can find gainful employment at the local walmart... Oh yes, and lets not forget that the US economy has been on a war footing for quite some time. One might almost say they are dependant on it by now.

    The result, uniformly throughout history, has been an empire, all the way from Rome vs Carthage to today. Except today things are a little different, because serious empire building has a few problems riding along with it, the main one of which is a nuclear holocaust. So instead, the US has been battling with third world states and generally kicking over the tables of anyone to weak too defend themselves, in an effort to keep its armed forces occupied.

    What you are seeing now is the backlash, the forced reduction of US influence and power worldwide by those with equal power, if not so much influence. I mean, think about it; if the EU really wanted to, they could set up their own Domain Name Servers and mandate that all EU states use them as authoritative. Thats easy, and easily done. So why aren't they doing it? That's not what they are trying to achieve. They are trying to publicly and diplomatically drag the US through the mud, poke the tiger with impunity, and express their displeasure with both the leadership of the only world superpower and the clowns that elected him.

    Its helpful to see the big picture.

    1. Re:Myopia by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      I think you're so focused on your anti-American sentiment that you've failed to see the picture at all. You're also completely confused about the situation here in the U.S., and I can only assume that that's because you don't live here. I don't know where you got the idea that the U.S. economy has been on a "war footing" ... considering the reductions in our forces (both nuclear and conventional) since the end of the Cold War, I can only conclude that you are seriously misinformed. A war footing? Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Do you know what that term actually means? During World War II we were on a war footing all right: rationing and severe shortages due to redirection of industrial output to military purposes. Young men were drafted into the service by the thousands. The population was directly affected by being in that situation, and willingly endured the requisite privation (and loss of life, dude there are a lot of us buried in Europe) in order to achieve our military objectives. That is absolutely, unquestioningly not, I repeat, NOT what is happening in the United States today. Hell, the War in Iraq is decidedly unpopular, and according to recent data Bush's own popularity is at an all time low among those clowns that elected him.

      Big picture, indeed. Faulty picture, I'd say ... and I don't quite know where you get this "forced reduction of U.S. power and influence." When we didn't need that Cold War military anymore we reduced it ourselves. In retrospect, that was a mistake, given the general instability of the world since the breakup of the Soviet Empire. Frankly, you'd be wise to hope we don't reduce it too much. There are a ton of totalitarian states out there (run by people MUCH WORSE THAN THE U.S. WILL EVER BE) that would be just happy as clams to just annex your happy little complacent ass: the only reason they don't is because they know we might intervene, particularly if we have treaty obligations with your government. China is the most likely candidate for the title of next global oppressor, but there are others just as eager for the U.S. to go away. Sure, we aren't perfect and we've done some damage along the way. Superpowers are like elephants in china shops in that regard: stuff gets broken. And there are even more people that, if they thought about it for a minute or two (people like you, perhaps) would realize that the only thing between them and an occupying force is the United States.

      Setting up an alternate domain name system is neither easy or easily done, would fracture the Internet, and cause massive economic dislocation. You can't just change something so fundamental to literally billions of computers and other machines by fiat, not overnight. It simply doesn't work that way. That's the reason why the documentation from the EU specifically stated that, even though the EU was going to simply seize ownership of assets that do not belong to it, it was expected that the physical infrastructure and personnel would remain unchanged. In other words, we don't understand this enough to replace it right now, don't dare take the risk of doing so, but we want political control anyway so there (thumbs nose.) You call call it "throwing a monkey wrench into an Empire" but I call it petty, very foolish, and incredibly risky. The potential consequences of their actions vastly outstip the potential political gains, since we aren't the ones that will take the brunt of a sustained DNS failure. You will.

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    2. Re:Myopia by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 1

      I think you're so focused on your anti-American sentiment

      Actually I quite like Americans, in as much as one could be said to like any large group of people.

      I don't know where you got the idea that the U.S. economy has been on a "war footing"

      Tell me, what percentage of the US GNP goes to "defence"? And while we're on it, defence against what, exactly... Its not like anyone will ever invade a nuclear armed state. Heck, you could get rid of your entire army and still stay safe and happy with just the nukes.

      (and loss of life, dude there are a lot of us buried in Europe)

      Well I do believe you just invoked the recently created "Melissa's law", which states that any American claiming credit for winning WWII for Europe without having actually fought in said war automatically loses the argument by default, or words to that effect. But thats neither here nor there. Ho hum. And lets not forget, a couple of centuries ago, most of "you" were "us".

      given the general instability of the world since the breakup of the Soviet Empire

      Legendary point, I must say. And how much of this instability do you think is the fault of the US?

      that would be just happy as clams to just annex your happy little complacent ass: the only reason they don't is because they know we might intervene

      And when these mighty totalitarians return home to the ticking glass oceans that were their homes, I can only hope that their aggression was worth it. Wake up, you idiot, no one with nukes needs an army. And if the US thinks an army means anything to a nuclear armed state, well they need only invade North Korea for a swift education.

      Superpowers are like elephants in china shops in that regard: stuff gets broken.

      So you have to break some eggs to make an omelette? Impressive, thats almost... totalitarian.

      if they thought about it for a minute or two (people like you, perhaps) would realize that the only thing between them and an occupying force is the United States

      That and the nukes. How is it that you keep forgetting the nukes? They are hard to forget. The same nukes which, by the way, the rest of the world is very glad stand between them and the US right now.

      EU was going to simply seize ownership of assets that do not belong to it,

      Okay this whole paragraph is fairly demented, so I'll just deal with it quickly. If the EU wants to "seize power", they don't need to seize any assets at all. The EU has probably more assets than the US, in terms of infrastructure. All they need to do is set up their own servers and tell everyone to use them. No seizure required. I do believe many posters pointed this out in a previous discussion. Given the unpopularity of the US right now and its recent actions, I doubt the world would need much convincing. I also doubt there would be much disparity at first between US and EU servers. But population and popularity would definetely be with the Europeans. If you want to see EU websites, or the rest of the world's websites, just set your machines to treat those nameservers as authoritative. If not, stick to US net.

      To summarise, in your amazingly tangential defence of the US, you missed the whole point of my post. I am not trying to say good or bad, right or wrong. I am just pointing out the motives behind the current brouhaha. This is why the UN and EU are even bothering to make a fuss, and using deliberately provocative terms like "capitulate" (these are professional diplomats by the way, no word is chosen at random). They don't need to, they could just go ahead and do it. But they are making a large public point to punish the US leadership, in a public fashion. The reasons for this are that the US has been behaving like an empire for the last while, and squandering with incredible facility the enormous amounts of international goodwill and sympathy that were built up after 9-11.

      I don't care, e

  68. Capitalism works sometimes... by cgenman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While capitalism is predisposed to breaking down into monopoly states, sometimes it works. If Google works to break Microsoft's monopoly on the desktop, lobbies for fair use rights to index and playback arbitrary content, fights the kinds of software patents that have been weilded against it, Google could both do a lot of good while looking out for its own self-interest.

    One of the nice things about the 'net is that nobody has figured out a way to get a solid monopoly lock. People aren't tied to your hardware, or software, or anything. The only thing Google could hold over you to stay would be Gmail and other data that you submit to them, but that wouldn't preclude you from shopping at Amazon.com. The fact that Google is doing so well despite the default search engine on all windows installs being MSN should show you how much power the consumer has in this area.

    I'm willing to risk it. Google has shown remarkable desire to do no evil, and is one of the only major forces in tech, or for that matter corporate America, who believes that. We need the help.

    1. Re:Capitalism works sometimes... by nametaken · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You may very well be right. However, the scenario you're talking about where Google helps us because they're helping themselves is what prompted me to write this sentence the way I did:

      actively and intentionally influencing American politics for the direct benefit of consumers

      It worries me, because what Google wants this week might benefit me (if even by accident), but what if what Google wants next week hurts me? Quite suddenly they go from heros to just another hyper-mega-globocorp stomping all over my rights for a few extra percentage points.

      I just get really nervous about companies with lots of cash pushing lobbyists on my representatives (not that any of my current representatives really represent me).

  69. WTF by crashelite · · Score: 1

    gov puts internet in publics hands.... pubic uses internet... gov starts to take back internet from the people

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    1. Re:WTF by DCstewieG · · Score: 1

      Hehehehehehehe

      He said "Pubic" :-P

    2. Re:WTF by crashelite · · Score: 1

      hints the .XXX suffix for websites now (AKA PORN GOES HERE) i wonder if there is a slashdot.xxx ....

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  70. Microsoft Brought Integration by alucinor · · Score: 1

    MS brought integration to the computing world, if anything. They taught the UNIX world the importance of that idea, to be able to have a (more-or-less) seamless workflow. And MS was the first wave in computer commoditization.

    You can say that the main reason corporations have put some much weight behind open standards and open source is because without joining forcing, all these competing companies would eventually be assimilated by MS.

    Having a huge, common enemy sure taught the IT market how to work together. Thanks, MS, for being evil.

    Now, would you promptly die off?

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  71. Everyone needs lobbyists, including you by snowwrestler · · Score: 1

    Democracy doesn't end when you cast your vote, it begins. Voting for a candidate only puts a person in power who is likely to agree with your views...you still have to interact with them and convince them to actually enact laws and regulations to codify and protect your views. That process is what lobbyists are professionals at.

    If I got arrested I would get a lawyer--a reactive approach to professional legal respresentation. Lobbying is a proactive approach to professional legal representation--to help make sure the law is advantageous to me from its inception.

    I've got lobbyists representing my views on the environment and public resources right now--that's what my membership in the Sierra Club and American Whitewater buys me. And that's why I write and send in letters and/or send them extra money when an issue I care about reaches a critical point. Sure if they succeed it will be at the expense of someone else--companies who want to drill for oil or dump pollutants wherever they want. I'm ok with that.

    Some folks seem to think that all lobbying and lobbyists are evil. Not true--lobbying is an essential part of our system of government. Even representatives are in office for 2 years between elections...do you think everyone should just sit on their hands for those 2 years and wait to see what they do?

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  72. Let me try to expain this again, slowly by Nice2Cats · · Score: 1
    Umm, did I miss the part where Bush did, or threatened to, or mentioned "shutting down the internet?"

    No, Bush has never threatened to shut down the Internet. But, and this is all other countries care about, he could.

    Let's assume for the moment that you are the president of France or the chancellor of Germany, two highly industrialized countries with whom our recent relations have been, er, somewhat strained. Would you want a vital part of your commercial infrastructure to be in a different country's hands? No. No matter how benevolent they might (or might not be) at the moment, you don't want somebody else to be able to pull the plug.

    That was fine when the Internet was considered an oversized research project or a toy for university students. Now, it is big business, and other countries will not want the U.S. -- or any other single country for that matter -- to have control over that any more than they would turn over their banking system.

    Which brings me to my next point:

    Who's more likely to tamper with the nameservers (or the backbone), the US, China, Cuba, Iran?

    Nice objective selection you picked. How about Denmark, Sweden and Switzland? Most other countries would trust them far more than they would the U.S., I'm afraid. Want to hazard a guess why that might be?

    But that is not the choice here. The idea is to build the Internet base so that no one single country can bring it down, neither the U.S. nor China nor Cuba nor Iran. Is is either that or watch the Internet fragment because people don't want to be dependent on U.S. goodwill. Or the goodwill of China. Or the goodwill of Denmark, for that matter. The Internet will either become independent of any single country or it will cease to exist as we know it. And the longer the U.S. plays power games about this, the more likely fragmentation because because the others just are not going to wait.

    And a generally pretty good record on free speech.

    Yeah, we Americans were really ahead on human rights, no competition in sight at all anywhere in the world. Unfortunately, that was 200 years ago.

    You might want to read up on the fact that an American journalist was just sent to jail for protecting her sources, a right considered so fundamental in terms of free speech and a free press in other democracies that it has them stunned. We could go on about the question of rights -- heard of this place called Guantanamo Bay? Everybody thinks this is just a fine symbol of the U.S.'s respect for human rights -- but my point is: The U.S. likes to consider itself the freest country on Earth. And in some things, this is still true, for instance free speech when it comes to pornography. In others, well, you might notice that human rights activists aren't really impressed with our record anymore. This is not the 19th Century, the Europeans are not a bunch of kingdoms and fascist dictatorships anymore (thanks in no small part to the U.S., of course), and the bar has been raised accordingly. And in lots of areas, that leaves us wanting. Privacy, for example, we simply flunk from a European point of view. Which takes us right back to the Internet.

    Yes, the U.S. is better than average, far better. But for a lot of other countries, that isn't good enough. And, not to put too fine a point on it, it shouldn't be good enough for us Americans either. If you are happy with us having "a generally pretty good record" on free speech instead of the best one on the planet, you might want to think about what the people who wrote the Bill of Rights were trying to tell you.

  73. The REAL Vote by alucinor · · Score: 1

    The real vote in democracy is a stock purchase, and Google now has more votes than Microsoft. Google wants open standards, universal and free net access, and to make the operating system layer transparent. For those reasons, they have my vote. If they turn evil, then I'll "vote" for the next tech company that reflects values I agree with.

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  74. Trust us! by Jesus+2.0 · · Score: 1

    Yeah, so we analyze and save indefinitely every piece of information that flows through us, and yes, we're getting intimately involved in more and more everyday things. And yeah, now we're lobbying the government.

    But trust us! We're not evil!

    We even say we're not evil!

  75. The Untold Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apropos of nothing, the dirty little secret is that Google was created with government money (NSF Abstract #9411306), through the National Science Foundation's Digital Library Initiative, with funding from DARPA and NASA. The Stanford group received $4.5 million in funding. Of course, that's not the story that's widely bandied about on the web or Google's website; it's more dramatic to say that it was founded in a dorm room.

    Futhermore, because Stanford is supposedly a "non-profit" organization, it typically didn't used to grant patents with non-exclusive licenses. But Google was treated differently and managed to obtain an exclusive license for graduate student Larry Page's patent. Stanford President John Hennessey received 65,000 shares of Google (worth about $20 million) in order to join their board of directors. Coincidence? It's not like Hennessey needs it; he founded MIPS (whose intellectual propery is found in game consoles from the Nintendo 64 to the PlayStation series) and serves on its board of directors, and gets royalties from his textbooks. Plus he earns over $500,000 in annual salary from Stanford as its president. Quid pro quo? Hennessy is snickering all the way to the bank.

    As a non-profit organization, Stanford can avoid paying a lot of taxes and other financial obligations that burden other companies . As a result, Stanford has a lot of money to throw around -- it recently bought eight empty private buildings in Redwood City, planning to use them for administrative office space, and last summer struck a deal with a hotel management company to open up a hotel on Stanford property near Sand Hill Road.

    It's not the first time people have benefited from the system in an underhanded way. Deborah Gage wrote in a June 8, 2004, article about how Stanford has wasted almost a hundred-million dollars in buying software from a company that employs Stanford professors http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1609179,00.as p

    Stanford has spent more than seven years transferring its financial systems onto applications from Oracle called Oracle Financials....Stanford has spent a lot of money on software and still has work to do. According to the university's annual budget plans, the board of trustees since 1999 has been asked to approve $93.4 million in capital expenditures for applications and infrastructure . The trustees had approved $60 million in 1994 to overhaul Stanford's entire administrative information systems, a project they expected would take five years...What makes Stanford's troubles all the more ironic is the institution's proximity to Oracle and PeopleSoft. Stanford, with its gracious red-tiled roofs, and Oracle, with its gleaming metal-and-glass towers, sit just 10 miles apart along Route 101, the main thoroughfare through Silicon Valley. Three Stanford professors serve on Oracle's board of directors ...

    Now faced with budget cuts and layoffs, Stanford's information technology department has successfully sent coding and maintenance work to outsourcing firms in India, which are helping with Oracle report writing and an upgrade to PeopleSoft v. 8.

    There's nothing like a little bit of conflict of interest to snag lucrative contracts. Sitting on a board of directors will get you at least $30,000 per year, if not more. Everybody wins -- the professors sitting on the board of directors win because they get the money for sitting, Oracle wins because they snag the contract, programmers in India win because they get money to do the work.

    Everybody wins, except for undergraduate students who subsidize this activity with their tuition. See http://www.epinions.com/content_73675148932. Many issues raised in that article are verified by in the May 19, 2004, issue of the weekly Stanford Report, writt

  76. In other words... by Snaller · · Score: 1

    Among its efforts, the government has worked to shield private U.S. companies from demands by the United Nations and other countries for multilateral control of the Net.


    The rest of the world will have to make a new worldwide net to prevent one country from dominating it - interesting...

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    1. Re:In other words... by Vegeta99 · · Score: 1

      DOes the US regulate Internet commerce? No, they do not. They have not since THEY created the network.

      Would the UN be interested in doing it? Who knows?

      This is not to say that the US may someday want to regulate Internet commerce, and it IS their constitutional right - at least when it comes to the US side of it. But if the rest of the world would like to bitch and moan about it, they are more than welcome to create their own, and get the fuck off of ours. Good luck getting it working as well as we did.

    2. Re:In other words... by Snaller · · Score: 1

      Ah, the sweet sound of uneducated jingoism.

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  77. careful, Google by spepper · · Score: 1

    careful, Google, whom you align with in DC, to gain "lobby support" in the Congress-- people who become elected into that body politic, who might not have before, gradually find themselves (unknowingly, perhaps) like "drunken sailors in a liquor cabinet" when it comes to governmental policies-- they are ADDICTED to money, which drives each of their special interests, which of course determines lawmaking these days (if you think they are there to act "for the common good", don't kid yourself)-- look for the politicians who are "stealth candidates" to align themselves with such huge bags of money like Google appears to be, currently-- such as Hillary's plans for 2008!

  78. Google Does DC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I downloaded and installed Google Earth. It's wicked cool.

    http://earth.google.com/

    You can zoom in and see the Sydney Opera House clearly in the Sydney Harbor then zoom out and zoom back on say the Eiffel tower in Paris. Or even your own house.

    What's interesting if you go to maps.google.com and look at and zoom in on say the White House and the Capitol Bldg. The roof of the White House is blanked out. And if you look at the Capitol Bldg. It's pixellated. I thought for grins to see how Google Earth does it. I zoomed in on both and saw the roofs of both buildings very clearly. Google Earth is an application you have to install on your desktop and you allow it to send 'anonymous' statistics to improve the program. Don't play with it if you are paranoid.

  79. congresscritters by pipingguy · · Score: 1


    The tem, "congresscritters" makes it sound like they are cute, fuzzy animals. They are not. "congressjerks" would probably be more appropriate.

    1. Re:congresscritters by peterjhill2002 · · Score: 1

      I understand the sentiment.... A recent PBS podcast talked about inertia and how it also relates to government... and how it is good that things do not happen too quickly... Clearly the "representatives of the people" are more interested in representing themselves... And the executive branch is such a club... not just the current administration... Cronyism... probably mentioned on the news more this week than ever, it has been going on for a long time... as a side note, loved SNL this weekend...