Blizzard's Warden Thwarted by Sony's DRM Rootkit

shotfeel writes "First, news of Warden -a bit of code from Blizzard's WoW to trounce game cheats. Then, a Sony rootkit to make your computer safe for music. Now, news that you can use the Sony rootkit to make your game cheats safe from the Warden."

Comments

Just goes to show..

[Heem]

Just goes to show that there is indeed a good use for everything.

Re:Just goes to show..

[Jonny_eh]

How is people cheating in an online game a good thing?

Re:Just goes to show..

[B'Trey]

Good or bad depends on your point of view, of course. Wouldn't it be trivial to modify existing worms or viruses to take advantage of the exact same concept, hiding themselves from virus scanners?

Re:Just goes to show..

[rob_squared]

Because it helps the cheater WIN! Silly!

Wait a minute...

Re:Just goes to show..

[networkBoy]

Because now Blizzard (hopefully) will sue Sony for some DMCA violation on breaking their game security device :-)
[/wishful thinking]
-nB

Re:Just goes to show..

[Jonny_eh]

On what grounds? "Their rootkit broke our rootkit!"

Ugly, ugly.

Re:Just goes to show..

[networkBoy]

I do believe that "circumvention of a protection device" may actually apply. . .
-nB

Re:Just goes to show..

[Anonymous Coward]

A better question is, why don't Antivirus Software remove the Sony Virus(TM) in the first place?

Re:Just goes to show..

[Proaxiom]

Wouldn't it be trivial to modify existing worms or viruses to take advantage of the exact same concept, hiding themselves from virus scanners?

Sort of. Good ones already employ techniques to try to hide themselves. The difficult part is getting into the kernel, as the Sony DRM software does when you install it.

Virus writers might at this point decide to start using file and process names that start with $sys$, in which case anybody who has installed the Sony DRM app (in particular, WoW cheaters) will be especially vulnerable. I doubt that's a large enough population for the technique to be considered useful, though.

Mostly this is useful for hiding things from prying eyes on your own machine. It is remarkably effective. To prevent malicious apps from taking advantage of it, you might hack the Sony DRM software so it uses, say, $-q8f790vpae-$ as the 'hiding' tag instead of $sys$.

Just watch what you're doing, because as Mark Russinovich points out in the original article, it's not hard to nuke your box by accident in messing with the Sony/First4Internet drivers.

Re:Just goes to show..

[Stripe7]

I just love that post by the guy who wants ISO's of the CD so they can use the rootkit. Now SONY will now have their entire product pirated not for the content they are trying to protect but for the content protection system they chose to employ! ROFL

Re:Just goes to show..

[Jonny_eh]

A protection device? What is that? Are you referring to the DMCA? Because that is just copyright protection, which the warden doesn't protect.

Nintendo tried to sue the makers of the NES game genie 'game enhancer', but lost. Although, the NES wasn't a multiplayer console, so who knows?

Re:Just goes to show..

[Anonymous Coward]

IANAL...

It doesn't for two reasons.

First, Warden is not a copyright protection system. It essentially is a EULA protection system. For example, if I use a third party utility to run a speed hack, I can be banned from the game for violating the EULA. I can't be hit up for thousands of dollars for copyright infringement.

Second, as it is installed it in no way would assist in cheating in WoW. A third party can take advantage of what it does do. In other words Sony is not shipping this DRM software with the primary intent to enable cheating in WoW.

In fact, Warden has a greater chance of violating the DMCA since it could access memory that contains copyrighted material after the DRM system has decrypted the work. Luckily the primary design purpose of Warden is also not copyright infringement.

Of course some lawyer may figure out some way to twist all of this around, so who knows.

Re:Just goes to show..

[IAmTheDave]

$sys$ass_banger_asian_big_tits.asf

hmm...

Re:Just goes to show..

[Tim C]

No. The Sony rootkit isn't deployed in order to thwart The Warden, just like the knives in my kitchen weren't created and sold to kill humans with.

If I create something to beat The Warden, that uses Sony's rootkit to hide, then *I* am the one liable, not Sony, just like Kitchen Devil aren't liable for any psychotic killing sprees I may go on with their products.

Unfortunately.

Re:Just goes to show..

[netcrusher88]

I doubt that's a large enough population [Sony DRM installed] for the technique to be considered useful, though.

Are you sure? Remember, anyone who wants to listen to one of Sony's recent CDs on their computer (unless they have used workarounds) has this rootkit. Be careful in assuming how many people know these workarounds - there are a lot of end users out there, and would you like to be slashdotted by a bunch of zombie end-users because they have a worm that virus scanners can't detect?

Re:Just goes to show..

[w3weasel]

Just as McDonalds hamburgers aren't made for the purpose of causing childrent to be obese, and McDonalds coffee is not sold for the causing 3rd degree burns... but look how the courts went on that one.

Re:Just goes to show..

[spdt]

anybody who has installed the Sony DRM app (in particular, WoW cheaters)

Of course, the 31337 WoW cheaters write their own DRM software... Um, I mean, "rootkits"

It's funny how quickly words can become synonyms of another.

Re:Just goes to show..

[NickFortune]

...in particular, WoW cheaters...

Umm, no... they'll be equally vulnerable as anyone else foolish or unfortunate to be infected with this particular piece of malware.

Honestly, why take a perfectly good and telling point and then weaken it with some unsupportable moralising sneer?

Unless of course you have inside information not mentioned in TFA, in which case, do please share.

Re:Just goes to show..

[Dionysus]

Remember, anyone who wants to listen to one of Sony's recent CDs on their computer (unless they have used workarounds) has this rootkit

According to this BBC report, it only affected Windows users. Everybody else (Mac, Linux, *BSD users) could listen to the CD without problems.

Re:Just goes to show..

[Red Alastor]

Which brings us to the solution : LiveCDs

We already have tools to remove Linux rootkits, is there any for Windows ? And if there is none, why not ?

Re:Just goes to show..

[Wellspring]

Good or bad depends on your point of view, of course.

Hilarious irony, however, appears to be a universal constant.

Re:Just goes to show..

[clymere]

I recall F-secure mentioning on their blog that their product detects the rootkit, but does not remove it. This is because they have decided that its too dangerous to do so, and are referring users to Sony for instructions on removal...which apparently work.

They've apparently been working closely with Sony and the company who wrote the rootkit to resolve some of these issues, and Sony released some kind of software update tool that removes the rootkit pretty cleanly

Re:Just goes to show..

[Naikrovek]

Although, the NES wasn't a multiplayer console

Two controller ports means that the NES was indeed multiplayer.

Re:Just goes to show..

[F_Scentura]

The court did award a settlement, as policy was to set their coffee far about safe levels, and had ignored previous court rulings that required that McDonalds have a safer product.

Re:Just goes to show..

[Buran]

Uninstalling undesired software isn't illegal. Software that snoops on what you run isn't a "protection device". It's merely unethical software that interferes with the operation of your computer in a way that removes the user from control. I'll sure as hell remove anything that does THAT with extreme prejudice. Sue me for it? Well, I rejected the terms of the license and removed the software, so what are you going to sue me for? Breach of contract? I terminated any obligations to you when I stopped using your app.

Re:Just goes to show..

[Buran]

Why should I trust the assholes who put their illegal hacking software on my computer in the first place to remove it? They broke my trust when they snuck their crap on in the first place without disclosure or permission.

Also that removal tool won't work without that pile of shit called IE.

Re:Just goes to show..

[lgw]

Liability and copyright are unrelated. McDonalds sold coffe with complete indifference to causing 3rd degree burns, and they paid for lack of concern for safety. Eventually a virus will piggyback on Sony's rootkit, and Sony will be smacked around for lack of concern for the side effects of their actions. And it still won't have anything to do with copyright.

Re:Just goes to show..

[kdekorte]

Point #2 is something that really ticks me off. Spyware is a virus in my opinion, but since A/V companies don't consider it a virus you have to buy another product to remove the spyware. Good for them, but a total rip off of the consumer who has to buy and update two products where one should do it all.

Re:Just goes to show..

[tradiuz]

So what you're saying is, its like someone being insane. They dont know they're crazy, but everyone else knows, and the only cure is drugs or shock therapy!

Re:Just goes to show..

[toomanyhandles]

Just as McDonalds hamburgers aren't made for the purpose of causing childrent to be obese, and McDonalds coffee is not sold for the causing 3rd degree burns... but look how the courts went on that one.

Actually McD deserved to lose on that one. They were intentionally flaunting/ignoring health department warnings and citations because they had their coffee makers turned up too high, and the liquid was not "safe". Food service code says you can't serve hot liquids at a temp. which causes 3rd degree burns in less than ?20? 30? seconds- time to wipe it off etc. They were serving their stuff at a temp that caused 3rd degree burns in 3 seconds (IIRC). Yes, litigious society, nuisance lawsuits, etc, but this was big evil corp ignoring safety rules that were in place for a reason. HTH.

Re:Just goes to show..

[ikkonoishi]

In fact, Warden has a greater chance of violating the DMCA since it could access memory that contains copyrighted material after the DRM system has decrypted the work. Luckily the primary design purpose of Warden is also not copyright infringement.

Yet. Turnabout however is fair play.

I can see it now.

Blizzard:Those DRM bastards want to make it easier to cheat on our games. Lets include a P2P music sharing client into our next release!
Player:Hey... WTF? Did that monster just drop a Metalica CD?

Re:Just goes to show..

[bhsx]

I submitted a story that got rejected regarding this type of "rootkit." Somehow (my girlfriend's daughter uses this system in a reletively locked-down mode) I got something installed on my system that slipped past the Spybot S&D, MS AntiSpyware, AVG antivirus, and ewido.
It was a total b*tch just to find. The thing would build its directory/itself on shutdown (it seemed) and load then delete any trace of itself at startup, even in Safe Mode. It hid itself from Windows Task Manager and every other scan a could run. I ran some Sysinternals apps such as RootkitRevealer and Autoruns, and showed nothing over and above anything I could account for. Suspecting it was a rootkit anyway, I found some good apps such as Process Guard, and F-Secure's Blacklight(stand-alone executable, pretty nice), and a CLI app called RkDetector. Once I had ran PG I could see what was happenning to my poor little PC. Explorer launches a program called ddrssapi.exe from System32, then would go onto to launch mchshisn.exe every 3 seconds or so. At one point Process Guard counted mchshisn.exe loading over 350 times before grinding to a crashing halt!
Googling ddrssapi.exe or mchshisn.exe yields no hits (or at least didn't, now it'll probably link to this thread), so I renamed the former (because I knew where it was). I was hoping that was the app that created the directory at startup so I rebooted to see if things calmed down.
Process Guard makes no mention of ddrssapi, but is still continuously launching mchshisn, and I notice that it says it's launching from Program Files/Weslorer... Takes about 4 minutes to bring the box down to it's knees, but that gave me enough time to realize that I could do nothing to find this mysterious directory (Weslorer).
I boot into Knoppix 4.0 and low and behold there is PF/Weslorer. Unfortunately for me, Knoppix didn't want to play nice with NTFS, so I couldn't delete the dir. Then I remembered that I had build the Windows Ultimate Boot Disk based on BartPE a few weeks ago. Booted into it and removed the Weslorer (which also shows no google hits) directory and ran a Spybot S&D scan for good measure. I rebooted into my XP install and all was well. No more popups (which caused the autopsy in the first place), no more stray process launching hundreds of times. Just a new systray icon for Process Guard. That things going onto every removable media I have.
I know I still don't really know how it got in and what process it was using to launch itself initially, and that bothers me; but I do not have any symtoms and will have to live with the thought that I got pwned.

Re:Just goes to show..

[eofpi]

Those with long enough memories to remember the Game Genie may remember that Galoob got out of the game enhancer business long before the DMCA was passed.

However, the continued existence of the makers of the Game Shark would seem to indicate that such devices are either not in violation of the DMCA or the game makers, quite reasonably, don't consider the devices a threat to their sales.

Re:Just goes to show..

[Papineau]

That is why you should install 2 Windows installations side-by-side when you install it in the first place. One is your "normal", work and games related one, the other one is for snooping on the first one if you need to do something it won't let you by itself (like replacing some registry files, etc.).

Works like a charm when you want to restore a system backup too, and there's no need to play with CaptiveNTFS or such.

It worked quite well in NT4 with the NT bootloader (boot.ini), so you can probably do the same with XP's bootloader without resorting to a 3rd party boot loader (like grub :)). Don't forget to have different desktop backgrounds (like a red one for the administrative install), so you don't end up doing stuff you don't want to in the wrong environment.

Sony owns Everquest

[halivar]

Coincidence, or conspiracy? Hrmm...

Re:Sony owns Everquest

[harrkev]

But Sony has some MMORPGs too. Any word on using this for the Star Wars RPG?

Hmmmm, are you scratching your beard?

[Neil Blender]

You anti-DRM, pro-cheating and stealing hippies must be really conflicted on this one.

Re:Hmmmm, are you scratching your beard?

[WeeLad]

Not nessecarily. Right and wrong hasen't changed any.

...but now two wrongs can make a right. I think someone said it's like multiplying negative numbers or something. If you do it right, you'll get a positive.

-(Sony Rootkit) X -(The Warden) = -(Cheating) ... hmmm, I think I must've messed up the math.

Now can we have a lawsuit?

[rovingeyes]

Please somebody...anybody!

Yup... definitely works

[kneecarrot]

I have definitely thwarted Warden. I just created a 13th level unicorn, ate all the remaining rhubarb in the forest, and killed the White Wizard with an AK-47. NICE!

Re:Yup... definitely works

[Shadow Wrought]

Remember kids, AK-47s don't kill White Wizards, Unicorns do.

Never thought I'd get a chance to say that again!

Re:Yup... definitely works

[Flying Over Trout]

Neither. The White Wizard is Robert Byrd of course.

Re:Yup... definitely works

[rodentia]

You need to move beyond your reality-based thinking.

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[Verteiron]

Am I the only one who finds this amusing? I mean... wow. Whatever monkey at Sony that approved this scheme must be soiling their armor by now.

And that the first (known) exploit of this thing should be a game cheat. The world is a strange place; Sony has made it just a bit stranger.

Let's bash Sony

[LordSnooty]

OK, so I understand that Sony did a bad thing with the rootkit. But I don't immediately understand the link to Blizzard. Surely there are other "rootkits" around (think Hacker Defender) which can hide files? Why has this suddenly become a problem with the release of the Sony rootkit? Is it a case of "yes, this is definitely bad... now quick, find some way of demonstrating how bad it is!"

Do other cheat protection systems use similar methods to look for files? If so, why are they not affected? Why am I only hearing about Warcraft?

Re:Let's bash Sony

[xSquaredAdmin]

Actually, the way that Warden works (from the analysis I've seen), is that it grabs the window titles, hashes them, and compares them to the hashes of known cheats that it pulls from Blizzard's server. All that it sends to Blizzard is a simple yes/no for whether the player is using hacks.

Re:Let's bash Sony

[xSquaredAdmin]

I just dug up the description of what it actually does. Turns out it also does a brief memory scan of the processes in memory to look for hacks as well. So even if they do that, as soon as Blizzard gets their hands on it, they could just add it's signature to the definition.

I recently performed a rather long reversing session on a piece of software written by Blizzard Entertainment, yes - the ones who made Warcraft, and World of Warcraft (which has 4.5 million+ players now, apparently). This software is known as the 'warden client' - its written like shellcode in that it's position independant. It is downloaded on the fly from Blizzard's servers, and it runs about every 15 seconds. It is one of the most interesting pieces of spyware to date, because it is designed only to verify compliance with a EULA/TOS. Here is what it does, about every 15 seconds, to about 4.5 million people (500,000 of which are logged on at any given time):

The warden dumps all the DLL's using a ToolHelp API call. It reads information from every DLL loaded in the 'world of warcraft' executable process space. No big deal.

The warden then uses the GetWindowTextA function to read the window text in the titlebar of every window. These are windows that are not in the WoW process, but any program running on your computer. Now a Big Deal.

I watched the warden sniff down the email addresses of people I was communicating with on MSN, the URL of several websites that I had open at the time, and the names of all my running programs, including those that were minimized or in the toolbar. These strings can easily contain social security numbers or credit card numbers, for example, if I have Microsoft Excel or Quickbooks open w/ my personal finances at the time.

Once these strings are obtained, they are passed through a hashing function and compared against a list of 'banning hashes' - if you match something in their list, I suspect you will get banned. For example, if you have a window titled 'WoW!Inmate' - regardless of what that window really does, it could result in a ban. If you can't believe it, make a dummy window that does nothing at all and name it this, then start WoW. It certainly will result in warden reporting you as a cheater. I really believe that reading these window titles violates privacy, considering window titles contain alot of personal data. But, we already know Blizzard Entertainment is fierce from a legal perspective. Look at what they have done to people who tried to make BNetD, freecraft, or third party WoW servers.

Next, warden opens every process running on your computer. When each program is opened, warden then calls ReadProcessMemory and reads a series of addresses - usually in the 0x0040xxxx or 0x0041xxxx range - this is the range that most executable programs on windows will place their code. Warden reads about 10-20 bytes for each test, and again hashes this and compares against a list of banning hashes. These tests are clearly designed to detect known 3rd party programs, such as wowglider and friends. Every process is read from in this way. I watched warden open my email program, and even my PGP key manager. Again, I feel this is a fairly severe violation of privacy, but what can you do? It would be very easy to devise a test where the warden clearly reads confidential or personal information without regard.

This behavior places the warden client squarely in the category of spyware. What is interesting about this is that it might be the first use of spyware to verify compliance with a EULA. I cannot imagine that such practices will be legal in the future, but right now in terms of law, this is the wild wild west. You can't blame Blizz for trying, as well as any other company, but this practice will have to stop if we have any hope of privacy. Agree w/ botting or game cheaters or not, this is a much larger issue called 'privacy' and Blizz has no right to be opening my excel or PGP programs, for whatever reason.

Re:Let's bash Sony

[bleckywelcky]

This is newsworthy because someone can legitimately use the Sony CD and have the rootkit installed, and then play WoW. So blizzard can't just look for signs of the rootkit and ban that account - people will be pissed for a non-legit ban. At the same time, people can do the same thing AND initiate a cheat on WoW and claim to be pissed for the same "non-legit" ban.

Re:Let's bash Sony

[HavokDevNull]

The reason the "link to Blizzard" is because the guys over at www.wowsharp.net thought to use the rootkit first, and it is so easy to use that anyone who can rename a file can use it. And WOW is very popular in the first place (4 million users now), so this impacts a bunch of people.

Another cheat program http://www.wowglider.com/ is also getting around WOW's Warden technology by running WOW in a normal user profile in xp, removing access to said user in the wowglider folder, then running wowglider as an admin account. But more than likely you could just install Sony's rootkit, rename your wowglider folder and do the above step for double protection against Warden detecting wowglider.

My point being Sony and First4Internet are saying that the rootkit does not compromise a system's security, when in fact it can and does. And the Cheaters are proving it now, next will be the virus writers.

Re:Let's bash Sony

[Red Flayer]

"because the guys over at www.wowsharp.net thought to use the rootkit first"

Hardly. They're just the first to publicize... this has been floating around in some forums for a little while.

There's less of an advantage to cheating if everyone can do it. So those exploiting this have been keeping their mouths shut...

Re:Let's bash Sony

[HTH NE1]

How accessible are other rootkits to the average WoW cheater? I haven't done any searches, but surely nothing compares to being able to walk in to a record store and buy pluton^H^H^H^H^H^H a rootkit.

And it is always the latest of the breed that would be the most desireable, especially when it could be found on many systems innocently. The rootkit comes with it's own human shield of innocents.

And Blizzard would violate the DMCA if they removed Sony's DRM software that restricts access to Sony's so-protected copyrighted works.

Sony has opened a Pandora's Box distributing and installing the rootkit. Blizzard spies on what programs you run. The question is not whether two wrongs make a right but rather whether two wrongs make an actionable case, and on whom.

I'm sure there are other ways to exploit this rootkit: hiding porn stashes from a nosy spouse would be another one. The Blizzard WoW cheating just happens to relate to recent news stories and rises to the top.

Re:Let's bash Sony

[HavokDevNull]

Wrong! How can you say Sony and First4Internet are no way responsible???

Taken from the original article from Mark's blog over at Sysinternals And here is the URL again in case you want to read the whole thing again. http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-root kits-and-digital-rights.html

I studied the driver's initialization function, confirmed that it patches several functions via the system call table and saw that its cloaking code hides any file, directory, Registry key or process whose name begins with "$sys$". To verify that I made a copy of Notepad.exe named $sys$notepad.exe and it disappeared from view.

If that does not compromise security what does?

Re:Let's bash Sony

[Pinback]

So create a slashdot story with 'WoW!Inmate' in the title, and any WoW player who reads it will get banned? Sounds like an easy sploit.

$sys$Warcraft and Sony Suxorz$sys$

[sweetnjguy29]

Hmmm...it didn't work.

Hell, you knew it was coming.

[Tuxedo Jack]

If the process is hidden, the Warden can't pick up on it, right?

So hypothetically, ANY rootkit could be used to hide processes - HackerDefender and the others out there would do the job nicely.

Of course, the other edge of the sword is that you don't know just what _else_ is hiding... unless you wrote and compiled the rootkit yourself using your home-brewed compiler.

Re:Hell, you knew it was coming.

[LostCluster]

And, if we're going by Security Now's definition of a "rootkit", Norton SystemWorks is a rootkit because its Undelete component hides files from the operating system that are really still there, SystemWorks just fools all applications into thinking they're not there.

Any program that uses the operating system hooks to find out what is going on risks being fooled. The only way around it is to do what RootkitRevealer does, ignore what the OS is saying and go byte-level reading the disk to see what you get, then if you like compare it with what the OS is reporting to see if there's any differences.

Not bad,

[Vengeance]

But it would be better if Warden was a product of Sony Online Entertainment, and it was used to protect Star Wars Galaxies. THAT would have made my day.

I pray for the day

[sammy baby]

I now live in hope for the day that a bunch of the corporations pushing for invasive DRM like Blizzard's Warden and Sony's whatever-it's-called sue each other under the DMCA for circumventing each others technologies, instead of suing us for trying to crawl out from under them.

Re:I pray for the day

[interiot]

Well, once Microsoft's NGSCB ccomes along, games like Warcraft will have two choices:

1. live outside the trusted comping base, and be vulnerable to anybody who manages to crack the NGSCB and run their code in a place that can't be examined by Warcraft, or:
2. convince Microsoft to let WoW cheat-detectors run inside the NGSCB so they can detect everything

First4Internet vs. Warden seems like it's the only possible crazy example of this, but if NGSCB is vulnerable to either crackers or corporate influence, this will only be the beginning.

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Time for the whore-off

[Duncan3]

In this corner, the spammers, with thier root for zombies to spam you with...

In this corner, the DRM people, making sure you don't listen to any music you paid for.

And in this corner, the 1337 gamer d00ds, making sure you have to buy it on ebay instead of getting it yourself.

And there is the bell... wait, they don't appear to be fighting... why are they taking off their clothes... what is the Sony guy doing to the spammer... they appear to be... oh my, that's just not right... this fight is called on account of an orgy breaking out...

Meanwhile...

Enjoy the nice cozy comfort of your OSX and Linux boxes :)

I wonder how complete the irony is?

[idontgno]

I don't play Sony's EQ2, but aren't there cheater progs for that? And doesn't EQ2 have memory- and registry-based cheater scans? Wouldn't the tasties irony in the situation be a Sony software product defeating cheat-detection in a Sony game?

Yes, the software industry is the best way of fulfill the Recommended Daily Allowance for irony.

Re:Slashdotted already.

[Dugsmyname]

http://mirrordot.com/ has a cached link here

Re:did /. just dupe ME?!

[Anonymous Coward]

did /. just dupe ME?!

Depends.. Do you live in Soviet Russia?

In related news

[$RANDOMLUSER]

Sony's DRM rootkit can be thwarted by not doing business with those evil bastards.

Re:YRO?

[Experiment 626]

Are we suddenly interested in the rights of game cheaters? Whose rights are being impacted here?

The "rights" issue is with peoples' right to listen to music they've bought without the CD compromising their system and infecting it with rootkits. This article is signifigant more as a new development in that story, than as a "a victory for the rights of online cheaters everywhere!" thing.

To underscore the point, consider that yesterday on GlobeAndMail.com, we have:

The company dismissed the prospect of hackers exploiting its rootkits for their own purposes as an "academic" concern.

I guess it isn't so academic anymore.

Only slightly OT

[Nom du Keyboard]

It should be only slightly OT to ask:

1: Why are people celebrating victory because Sony announced they will remove the cloak, they're still leaving all the rest of the crap on your system - including the memory and cpu wasting scan that runs continually, even when you're not playing their DRM infested CD's.

2: Now that the cloak is removed, what was that registry key that keeps track of how many CD's you've burned under their DRM system?

3: Don't you think you're celebrating a bit early since Warden 2.0 should be able to use the same tricks as RootKitRevealer to diagnose your system? And how long will this take to appear?

4: If you detecting and removing this software from your computer violates the DMCA, then the DMCA is so cleary wrong that it should be repealed this afternoon.

5: Profit! Or in other words, who is profiting from this now? I don't see Sony going broke yet.

Re:Only slightly OT

[mpe]

1: Why are people celebrating victory because Sony announced they will remove the cloak, they're still leaving all the rest of the crap on your system - including the memory and cpu wasting scan that runs continually, even when you're not playing their DRM infested CD's.

It probably isn't necessary for their system to install anything anyway. Even removing the hiding the stuff they insert could have other consequences. e.g. what happens if different versions of this software attempt to install on the same machine?

Next fun hack?

[Chordonblue]

Try and get Sony's DRM to interfere with DVD protection. RIAA Vs. MPAA... FIGHT!

Re:Next fun hack?

[harrkev]

What about using Sony's rootkit to hide Alcohol 120%. Does this work?

Re:Next fun hack?

[murfman5000]

This reminds me of something a professor once taught me:

1. Someone creates a problem
2. Someone else finds a way to make the problem affect the creator (tie the problem to the creator)
3. The problem resolves itself
4. PROFIT!!!!

(sorry, made that last one up)

Profit line

[Nom du Keyboard]

1: Install WoW.
2: Install Sony Music CD.
3: Install Cheat Hacks.
4: Win at WoW.
5: Profit!
6: Discover that Sony RookKit drops frame rate to unacceptable levels.
7: Buy new AMD64 gaming system.
8: Discover that game gold no good in the real world.
9: Profit^-1.

What really is scary...

[Skiron]

..for all windows users, ~and I am a bit surprised no blog or tech site picked this up~, is what the hell is it with windows and the way a piece of code can 'hook' into a kernel call and redirect it - and it's all HIDDEN - I mean, what the hell is a sysadmin supposed to do now?

What the hell else is there, running *unknown*.

MS, through their obsession with hidden controls, little or no documentation, a nubilious registry system (what DO all those entries do?) and total disregard to people that buy it, it's a sure eyeopener for all concerned - and windows users should be.

Thanks to Mark Russinovich for this - and if HE struggles to find/remove this type of delibrate (by MS) obscuration to an operating system, what hope does all the mortal 'Harry homeowners' have?

This whole rootkit business leads one to wonder

[Nom du Keyboard]

This whole rootkit business leads one to wonder what happens if you play the Sony CD in an instance of a Virtual Machine (ala VMware). Does it only root the virtual machine? Can you burn endless CD's, 3 at a time? Since Sonly has clearly granted you a licence to burn the number of CD's permitted by the DRM, can you now put them out of business selling yours on the street? Inquiring minds blah blah blah...

And speaking of WoW, you mean there is no game hack that changes it's name each instance so that The Warden will never have it in its signature file?

Re:This whole rootkit business leads one to wonder

[karnal]

Actually, from what I've seen on the Our Lady Peace CD is that you "DECLINE" their EULA and the OS spits out the disc.

Wow, that's hard to get around.

Once you turn off "Autorun", it's just another quick step with EAC to do a rip and convert to any format you want... I had thought of using my laptop to actually install their DRM to see what kind of crappy quality they had the tracks at, but I'm glad I didn't do that after reading yesterday's article.

Anyways, I'm sure the "other" OS I run isn't affected by this attempt to put shit on my computer that I really don't need....

Can You See Me?

[$sys$SomeWOWHacker]

f*ck. Back to the drawing board. :(

Sony : Tylenol or FPU

[dmh20002]

Sony should take a page from the Johnson and Johnson book. When the Tylenol poisonings happened, J&J took aggressive action to limit the damage and help the people concerned. They pulled the product off the shelves at a huge financial hit. They turned around a potential PR nightmare by doing the right thing (and the tragedy wasn't even their fault)

Instead, Sony is using the Intel Floating Point strategy of obfuscation, excuses, hard line statements etc.

From BBC News:

"A spokesman for Sony BMG said the licence agreement was explicit about what was being installed and how to go about removing it. It referred technical questions to First 4 Internet.

Mr Gilliat-Smith said Mr Russinovich had problems removing XCP because he tried to do it manually something that was not a "recommended action". Instead, said Mr Gilliat-Smith, he should have contacted Sony BMG which gives consumers advice about how to remove the software.

Getting the software removed involves filling in a form on the Sony website, visiting a unique URL and agreeing to have another program downloaded on to a user's PC that then does the uninstallation. "

You can't top the best

[Moo Moo Cow of Death]

I don't play WoW anymore OR use Sony's rootkit.

I'm just crazy like that.

Two Great Tastes!

[blueZhift]

This reminds me of the old Reeses commercials...

Sony: Hey! Your spyware's in my rootkit!

Blizzard: Your rootkit's in my spyware!

User (taking a bite): Mmmm, now that's good computing! So liberating...

Announcer Don Pardo: Two great tastes that go together.

This is silly

[Locke2005]

Much as I detest the Sony DRM, this is not a valid criticism of it. Anybody wanting to implement cheats will just use the same method as the Sony DRM directly to hide the cheats, not rely on the Sony DRM having been installed first! This is a flaw in Warden that is independent of the fact that the Sony DRM is a bad thing. It also points out the flaw in the anti-cheat arms race -- since you don't own your customer's machines, any anti-cheating technology you deploy can be quickly circumvented by determined individuals.

Re:This is silly

[MagicMerlin]

wrong. the issue here is that for a 'underground hacker' rootkit, if bllzzard finds a way to detect the rootkit, they can safely ban that account. Fear of banning is a pretty good deterrent for hackers. On the other hand, bliz can't very well ban you for running sony's drm now, can they?

Merlin

This demonstrates ....

[gstoddart]

This demonstates how it will never work in the long-run for every manufacturer to be installing stuff on your PC to make sure you play by their rules.

Before long, if you get 10 or 15 different toolkits which all try to change your system behaviour to ensure no cheating/copying/peeking is taking place, then absolutely NOTHING will keep working.

An arms race of installed crap to keep you honest will just leave everyone with busted machines.

Cheers

Re:YRO?

[mrgreen4242]

Are we suddenly interested in the rights of game cheaters? Whose rights are being impacted here?

Seems like people are more interested in the rights of non-cheating WoW players? People who play WoW SHOULD know that their systems are monitored, and if they don't like it they can quit. Presumably, they are ok with the trade off of "my system is monitored, but so is everyone else's, so at least I can play the game knowing that it is an even field". Sony has given people a way to defeat that, and in doing so taken away all the advantages of having the Warden system, but done nothing to the disadvantages it presents (the fact that it is mildly invasive of your privacy).

link please

[AnonymousBystander]

so, anyone willing to share a bit of their rootkit?
I want the rootkit but having to buy a protected CD just for the rootkit is too much =(

by the way, wouldn't it be legal to redistribute the rootkit by itself?
Since I don't think it is in the EULA ...

Re:Came up fine for me.

[HTH NE1]

detecting it would be a bit troublesome...

Not really. The presence of the rootkit has a measureable effect. They just have to have Warden create a file with a name starting with $sys$ and then test to see if it is still there. If it has disappeared, it has detected the presence of the rootkit.

Can we use this to cheat on Everquest 2?

[__aazuyo6398]

Not that I play that game, but I'd REALLY laugh if people started cheating at EQ2 with sony's own crap rootkit!

Re:That's the beauty of it.

[Knetzar]

Blizzard could, and I hope they do, re-write warden to detect the rootkit, and then if it's installed let the user know that sony installed a virus on their machine and that it needs to be removed to play WoW.

Who's gonna make sure they play nice?

[boltaron_bill]

I am just wondering what will happen when let say geffen creates their own copy protection and it works a lot like sony's only if you have sony's installed it kills your computer? Like any of the big record companies are going to show each other how their copy protection works to keep this from happening. This is bound to be an issue in the future if they go on an allow these companies to create this software and install it without your consent.

I NAME THEE...

[macshune]

mootkit.

noun: software program that interferes with another software program's attempt to interfere with the actions of a given user.
symnonyms: see windows, et al

This is the Future of Trusted Computing

[darkonc]

Trusted computing means that other companies (e.g. Sony) can trust your computer to do what they want it to do -- whether you're happy with that idea or not.

Sony just jumped the gun. They weren't willing to wait until Microsoft put a formal system for this kind of bullshit to take place. The only difference between this and 'trusted' computing is that there's no formalized mechanism in place .... yet.

What goes around comes around

[narfbot]

Second, as it is installed it in no way would assist in cheating in WoW. A third party can take advantage of what it does do. In other words Sony is not shipping this DRM software with the primary intent to enable cheating in WoW.

While we are talking about blizzard, lets go back to similar incident in blizzard's past. Bnetd, as written, did not support the Warcraft III beta. The authors of bnetd did not want to support the beta and the intent of bnetd was not to support pirating. Some third party (warforge) took the bnetd source, extended for the Warcraft III beta, and it enabled playing of the pirate copy of the beta that was going around. By your logic, the third party that enabled Sony's rootkit to be used to hide the cheats should be sued. By blizzard's logic, bnetd was sued, not the warforge people. Blizzard sued the people who created the original tool that had no bad intentions. If blizzard sticks to their priniciples, they will sue Sony.

But I don't believe blizzard has any morals in regard to their decision to sue bnetd, therefore, they won't sue Sony. And the cheating and pirating continues...

Re:Rootkit = new buzzword?

[jrockway]

Excuse me? It is indeed a fucking rootkit. A rootkit is a program that hooks OS calls so that their behavior is "wrong" in some way. In this case, it hides files. That is, objects physically on the filesystem are no longer visible, thanks to this rootkit's intervention. That's a classic example of a rootkit. (Actually the classic example is hiding processes, and ... this rootkit does that.)