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ATI Launches Radeon X1900 XT and XTX
Steve from HEXUS writes "ATI have done more than just boost clock speeds for their latest GPU; they've concentrated on boosting particular aspects of the GPU. This doesn't necessarily mean a boost in performance in all apps, however. HEXUS has a review: 'Even current synthetic benchmarks designed to show off theoretical rates in 3D hardware can have a hard time exploiting the tripling in fragment processing ability. That's not to say the performance increases at the same clocks as R520 are invisible. Clearly they're not without increases, especially at the higher resolutions, of up to 30% in the games we tested, clock-for-clock.'"
Now, can someone track down pricing info for these cards?
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I am sure the cards are great and all, but us Linux users would never know due to the drivers.
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>'That's not to say the performance increases at the same clocks as R520 are invisible. Clearly they're not without increases, especially at the higher resolutions, of up to 30% in the games we tested, clock-for-clock.'"
I recognise those words, but this summary makes no sense...
Seriously, why does ATI marketing feel the need to prematurely boost the suffixes all the way to unheralded 'XTX' when the 1900 series is being introduced? At least there has been some reasonable pattern to follow for a while in their naming scheme....now they have caved to their profit desires and taken adavntage of our familiarity with their naming scheme.
'Even current synthetic benchmarks designed to show off theoretical rates in 3D hardware can have a hard time exploiting the tripling in fragment processing ability.'
If synthetic benchmarks can't show off theoretical rates, how is an actual benchmark with an actual rate going to exploit its processing abilities?
Clock-for-clock all time should be the same.
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Is there a business relationship between Hexus and Slashdot? They regularly get articles posted here that they submit themselves, and if you scroll to the bottom of this article, you will see that Hexus lists Slashdot as "friends of Hexus".
Well this is familiar. New ATI graphics card.... No decent Linux drivers... blah blah blah...
What sort of graphics card do you need to play Tux Racer anyway?
Sure, as soon as this is posted the site goes down for essential maintenance. What ever happened to those good days when sites were down because they were slashdotted?
The site is currently down for essential maintenance. Must be real essential ;)
That's what their previous designation was for the very top of the line cards. Unfortunately (particularly with the X800XT PE, which I waited 3 months to get hold of) the suffix was associated with being impossible to find (quite true) and for marketing / PR reasons the name was retired in favour of an additional X. Still, I agree that the trend towards increasingly lengthy names is getting a bit out of hand. I remember when the original GeForce launched and it was simply referred to as the "GeForce256". For a while Nvidia even flirted with making the names more simple with the GeForce 2. Then they brought out the MX and it kind of got confusing from there on out...
Celeron 2.93ghz, 1gig DDR RAM, 256mb Raedon 9550 160gig Maxtor.
Guess I won't be getting one of these babies anytime soon.
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Barely faster than my overclocked 7800GT @ 520Mhz/1.19Ghz. I'm sure a properly overclocked nVidia GTX would be just fine, at a much lower cost, by the time ATI can figure out how to push volume. And at the rate nVidia is beating up on ATI, I find their ability to upset them highly suspect in the near-term. Video cards are stupid. They come out every 18 months with something at least twice as good. They will always cost like $400-$800 for the newest one. Get over it. Why do people bother with these stupid paper launches?
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These jerks make cards that only work with Microsoft OS. Their 'nix guy sits in a converted bathroom trying to communicate with X with his nuts tied behind his knees by big bad bill.
Fuck 'em.
While synthetic benchmarks may have given unexpected results in this case, slashdot has helped 'benchmark' their servers.
I've already spoken to one UK reseller who confirmed they have them in stock. Not yet booked in, and thus not available for purchase, but cards from Connect3D, Sapphire, PowerColor and HIS were all on the premises and will be available to exchange for cash within 24 hours. Clearly ATI has learned its lesson where launches are concerned.
The prices are listed at http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29141 and they have more on different versions including the AIW and certain retailers in later articles.
The link in the article appears to be broken but you can get a pretty good overview on the card over at the [H]
ATI Radeon X1900 Series Evaluation
The pain only begins when I default on my monthly loan repayments, though.
The Tech Report's in-depth analysis is flowing freely with narry a hiccup. Check it out here.
And still working at that.
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I think the team at Hexus need their heads examined. What a mess of an article that is, if you can even get a chance to read it with their playskool server going inaccessible. The other sites listed above have much more balanced, thorough coverage.
and Tech Report is spot on as usual.HotHardware does a nice job of looking in detail at all the different levels of AA and Ansio image quality
Seriously people, stop modding the parent post up.
In case you missed it, this is not a paper launch, and this is not a card with only enough volume for reviewers. This is a real launch. You can buy this card now. ATI learned their lesson, and we should acknowledge that. Maybe it can finally start a trend away from paper launches in the industry.
One of the problems that leads to modern hardware increased complexity is that applications cannot benefit from the full performance hardware can offer. For example, if you are a game programmer and you get:
- 10% performance loss because of the drivers
- 10% performance loss because of the SDK
- 10% performance loss because of you
The total performance loss will be ~30%. For other application this scenario is worse: Application (10%) > Framework (10%) > API (10%) > Kernel (10%) and this is not the worse case.
THese are no doubt awsome cards, and i want one. But theres just 1 thing bugging me now. Did ATi make these cards to support the Next directx API, Directx10 since Crysis will apparently use it and this might be the only card that "will" be able to run it in most glory.
I've recently played F.E.A.R. . The graphics were ok, but the shadows etc are still hard. When are we gonna see hardware-based raytracing/radiosity lighting? it's gonna make a hell of a difference in graphics!
ray tracing even makes quake 3 look good..
Fear supports soft shadows, but they are prohibitly expensive on all but the most powerful 3d-cards.
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when will ATi release the Radeon XXX1900XXX version? Seriouly, the naming of video cards is getting out of hand for both ATi and Nvidia. What will they do when they can't append more alphabets to the card. With a high-end video card cost more than a low-end machine nowadays, I would suggest they appended the MSRP after the long strings of makeup numbers and alphabets mess. This way, we can actually tell how powerful the video cards are relative to each other.
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The article forget to mention the worthwhile release of the ATI X1900 XTXXX, the world first PPU (PrOn Processing Unit)
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OMG dudez, so like today the x1900xtx was released, and i was like, OMG! I can get 5more frames in the 26th pitch black hallway fo Doom 3, yo. so i called my dad in the Hamptons and he said he'd wire me the $700 for the new card so I can show off to Joey next door. he's got a lame nvidia and it is 3fps less than me in Far Cry, even tho i don play that game anymore and its already 2 years ol. lolz, j/k, nvidia is pretty good, but this x1900xtx is new and very expensive and therefor better and will prolly get me 7 frmaes over Joey now instead of just 3 so its all good
so like F.E.A.R. wil play so much better in its 200 levels of abandoned warehouses that all look the same because i paid $700 for my jet engine video card. Tim down the street is a console gamer, he's lame he uses a Mac which is for FAG0TS, but he said what im doing is lame because for that much $$$ i could just buy an x-box 360 or wait for ps3 and always rest assured games released will work for it wthout needing hundreds for a new video card every 12 months, but he's a FAG0T what does he know, he spends his money on actual computer hardware to get work done, and not to play the 4,251th first person shooter set in dark hallways with a shotgun and rocket launcher in it. that fag0t
so hells yeah my new card is on order now, can't wait for next year to buy another one and play Far Cry in AMD 64-bits mod with 10 more frames per second, that makes the game so much more awesome and fun. its true cuz Joey showed me the 64-bits mode version and its got more textures and stuff! Tim says thats because AMD/CryTek added content to it to trick you to think 64-bits was better than the 32-bits in order to sell 64-bit AMD chips, but like i said hes a tard and doesnt play games so what dos he know. game companies would never trick you like that
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I just purchased a Radeon X1300 for a silent system (Sapphire uses a large heat sink, no fan).
I am very disappointed that there is no ATI Linux driver for it. It works with Vesa but that is far from satisfactory (no Xv for instance). I asked ATI when a driver may be available and got the following non-answer:
The Linux drivers available from ATI are provide are "as is". You may be able to get further assistance from the Linux community at the links below:
http://www.linux.org/help/index.html
http://www.linuxdoc.org/
http://www.xfree86.org/
It sure looks to me like ATI is not interested in Linux business.
Yes, I know AGP is nearly dead, but I'm saddled with it until I upgrade my motherboard, and I don't want to do that just yet. But getting a new graphics card in the meantime would be helpful. Is there any chance a vendor will make an AGP version of this new card?
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