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Why Ballmer Should Leave Microsoft

An anonymous reader writes "In the wake of the announcement of Bill Gates' departure from the top spot at Microsoft, CNN Money is carrying an article arguing that Steve Ballmer should step down as well." From the article: "Since Gates stepped down as CEO in 2000 in favor of Ballmer, the company has floundered technically and strategically. As the company's chairman, chief software architect and supposed visionary, Gates deserves blame for missing the wave of Web-based software that has propelled Google and Yahoo. But Ballmer has made gaffes of his own in his longtime role as head of the company's business side. They include an undistinguished push into business applications to compete with Oracle, financial maneuvers that have failed to stir the stock - which has slumped 16 percent so far this year - and continuing antitrust problems in the United States and Europe."

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  1. Ballmer shouldn't step down. by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 4, Funny

    He should become the chairman.

    Afterall, he is qualified.

    Thank you, I'll be here all night.

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    1. Re:Ballmer shouldn't step down. by mfh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ballmer should step down in favour of Mr T, because he pity the fool who don't got high-end video cards and 4GB RAM for Vista Aero!!!

      Seriously... if Mr T was in charge of Microsoft, it would be profitable. This should not be modded funny because it's actually insightful.

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    2. Re:Ballmer shouldn't step down. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Listen up, if I hear just one more Ballmer joke, I'm going to f**king kill every single one of you! Thanks, Steve B.

    3. Re:Ballmer shouldn't step down. by hasbeard · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, I think the chair jokes are on their last legs.

    4. Re:Ballmer shouldn't step down. by aplusjimages · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh and they give you insightful. You ask and they do. Mod this as brilliant.

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    5. Re:Ballmer shouldn't step down. by deander2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seriously... if Mr T was in charge of Microsoft, it would be profitable.

      are you under the impression that M$ is currently not profitable? :)

    6. Re:Ballmer shouldn't step down. by Winckle · · Score: 2, Funny

      He was speaking in terms of cool, not dollars.

    7. Re:Ballmer shouldn't step down. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I just modded you Underated, happy now?

      And unrolled your moderation by posting. Good show. :)

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    8. Re:Ballmer shouldn't step down. by IDontAgreeWithYou · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Here's some entertainment for you. From google groups regarding Windows XP system requirements we get such gems as this:

      "Microsoft's Web site recommends a minimum 300MHz Pentium II processor and 128MB of RAM to run the Windows XP beta"
      "They are pretty steep requirements just to run an OS! what happens when you want to do some real work? go out and spend MORE money! Sorry Microsoft, along with the activation scheme, high price, this is one of the last nails in the coffin, and that is, the expectation that everyone has a bank balance the size of Billy Gates, and can instantly go out and buy what ever upgrade they need JUST to get Windows work'in."

      OMG teh 300 MHZ and 128 MB ram!!! In a very short amount of time, the system requirements for Vista will be just as laughable.

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    9. Re:Ballmer shouldn't step down. by IsThisNickTaken · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, but would you want to run XP a 300 MHz Pentium II and 128 MB RAM??? I believe those system requirements were a little too minimal...

  2. more info on the EU anti-trust case by H4x0r+Jim+Duggan · · Score: 3, Informative
    1. Re:more info on the EU anti-trust case by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      that's an inspired username

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    2. Re:more info on the EU anti-trust case by truthsearch · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's a huge difference between regular government regulation and punishing abusers of a market. Even the smallest government will go after those who break the law.

    3. Re:more info on the EU anti-trust case by bladesjester · · Score: 2, Funny

      I didn't even notice his username until you mentioned it. I nearly sprayed tea across my monitor.

      I can see it now - him standing on his desk, 25lb IBM keyboard in hand yelling "Code! COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODE!!!!!!!!!"

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  3. Leave Ballmer in place by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 4, Funny

    The entire linux community (and probably Mac as well) is strongly in favor of him remaining!

  4. Word by mazzarin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Right, why don't they bring a bunch of new MBA students in to replace them. The fresh new non-tech oriented ideas will surely revitalize the company. /sarcasm meter explodes

    1. Re:Word by Gilmoure · · Score: 2, Funny

      They should hire the CEO from Pepsi. Does he want to sell sugar water all his life?

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  5. He's in a no-win situation.. by Tominva1045 · · Score: 4, Insightful


    If Ballmer and Microsoft had been wildly successful over the past few years most everyone here would be crying for the Microsoft juggernaut to be sunk or TOTALLY disbanded via political / legal means.

    But many say they haven't been wildly successful over the past few years.

    Either way the result is the same: people who don't like Microsoft are going to take pot-shots at them.

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    1. Re:He's in a no-win situation.. by maxume · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Part of the problem for Microsoft is that they are simply enormous. Compared to last year, Microsoft added about $1 billion in revenue and $500 million in profits to its first quarter results. Google had about $1.9 billion in revenue total, and added about $400 million in revenue(for the last quarter that I tracked down, ending Dec '05). Microsoft grew twice as much as Google did in real numbers, but people are quite a bit more impressed that Google was able to grow by almost 30%, while Microsoft languished closer to 10% revenue growth, never mind that the business they added was equal to a signifigant percentage of Google's total business.

      Google's relative performance is certainly better, but Microsoft's absolute performance is still pretty much astounding.

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  6. also cue monkey boy jokes by swschrad · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ballmer's big problem is he is inflicted with IP disease... he thinks MS owns all of its code, PLUS all of the data and programs folks put on their computers.

    and he needs a cure or he needs to leave, cash in his options, and disappear to a tropical island someplace under a volcano. like seeks like.

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    1. Re:also cue monkey boy jokes by truthsearch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The current (pre-Vista) TCP/IP stack plus command line FTP and other old utilities are not "owned" by them. They're copyright BSD, IIRC.

  7. While we're at it .. by Entropy · · Score: 5, Funny

    # Comments are for wusses
    chant()
        for {Microsoft.Employees}
            do
            print "Why %borg should step down." (Microsoft.Employees)

    rejoice()
        for a = 1 to 1000000000
    # This comment does nothing, like comments are good for anything anyways.
        print "REJOICE! The evil Empire is dead! Long live the mighty penguin!"

    main()
        while Microsoft.Exists=1
            chant()
        rejoice()

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    1. Re:While we're at it .. by Alioth · · Score: 5, Funny
      Don't forget:
      public void runMicrosoft(String stuffToDo) throws Chair
      {
        if(stuffToDo == "kill fucking Google")
        {
            throw new Chair("executive swivel");
        }
      .....
      }
  8. Pundits Gone Wild! by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The article quotes Rob Enderle:
    "It's not likely that Ballmer will stay on as CEO after Gates steps down as the company's chief software architect", says Rob Enderle, principal analyst at the Enderle Group, who has watched Microsoft (Charts) for almost 20 years. "When you get into a cycle like this, the founders go reasonably soon after each other," says Enderle.

    Putting aside Rob Enderle's other failures as an analyst, I see him as simply trying to get back up on the wave of punditry that he completely missed with the revelation of Bill Gates leaving. If Ballmer doesn't leave, no one will care. If he does, then Enderle looks like he has an inside connection or excellent prognostication ability.

    In reality, I don't see Mr. Ballmer leaving any time soon. The revolt wasn't due to the shareholders as much as Bill Gates just (apparently) getting sick of the day to day. Steve doesn't seem to share that boredom and he certainly doesn't have the hubris to realize that his leaving would be more beneficial to the stock price than any policy he enacts while in the driver seat.

    1. Re:Pundits Gone Wild! by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > ...Bill Gates just (apparently) getting sick of the day to day...

      Naaah. Gates just turned fifty and he's starting to feel his mortality. He's working on his historical legacy, a la John D. Rockefeller. Meanwhile, Balmer (who also just turned fifty) has no historical legacy outside Microsoft, so expect him to stay.

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    2. Re:Pundits Gone Wild! by nutshell42 · · Score: 2, Funny
      "It's not likely that Rob Enderle will stay loyal to Gates and Ballmer as they step down as the company's Dynamic Duo of Evil", says Nuthell Fortytwo, principal analyst at the Nutshell Group, who has watched Slashdot (Dupes) for almost 7 years. "When you get into a cycle like this, the founders go reasonably soon after each other, and the astroturfers try to get into the good graces of their new masters" says Fortytwo.

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  9. Microsoft without Ballmer by layer3switch · · Score: 4, Funny
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  10. Unproven business model by ClosedSource · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Gates deserves blame for missing the wave of Web-based software that has propelled Google and Yahoo"

    Google and Yahoo's entire business model is web-based and advertisement based. One could just as easily argue that they deserve blame for having such a fragile model. It's not clear if building these web-based applications will be profitable or sustainable. Google in particular seems to be enjoying the same kind of unquestioning support that many dead dot-comms enjoyed.

    1. Re:Unproven business model by truthsearch · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is so obviously wrong I was going to ignore it. But I just can't.

      Have you looked at their financials? How are billions in revenue not sustainable? Even before getting money from floating stock Google was making a fortune. And Yahoo SURVIVED the dot-com fallout. Their future could easily turn for the worse, but for years they've proven profitable and sustainable.

    2. Re:Unproven business model by WhiteWolf666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Google and Yahoo's entire business model is web-based and advertisement based. One could just as easily argue that they deserve blame for having such a fragile model. It's not clear if building these web-based applications will be profitable or sustainable. Google in particular seems to be enjoying the same kind of unquestioning support that many dead dot-comms enjoyed.

      And Microsoft's entire business model is monopoly based. One could just as easily argue that it deserves the blame for having such a fragile model. It's not clear that Microsoft will be profitable or sustainable, in a world where their monopoly starts to fade (look at the multi-billion dollar losses in the Xbox division, or the losses in the MSN division). In particular, Microsoft seems to enjoy the same kind of unquestioning support that AT&T once did. Where's AT&T now? That's right; dead and bought for the name rights.

      On the other hand, Google's balance sheet is solidly positive. Might be a bit overvalued at $391.00 per share, but that's neither here nor there.

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    3. Re:Unproven business model by radtea · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Google and Yahoo's entire business model is web-based and advertisement based.

      And Microsoft's business model is based on the PC as a general-purpose computer rather than a commodity with limited functions. This is extremely fragile. IBMs business model was based on computers as big central resources, and they got eaten alive by Microsoft and Apple in the '80's. It seems to me likely that Google and Yahoo have a chance at doing the same thing to Microsoft.

      This is not so much about how clever Balmer or Gates or anyone else is. It is about how technology evolves. The people running IBM weren't stupid. They were just limited in their perspective by their own success, and failed to see how much the world was about to change.

      Most people on /. will probably still be using PCs in the next decade. But even today most computers sold to consumers are not general-purpose. They are cell phones or game consoles or PDAs. Smaller, cheaper, special-purpose computers that use the distributed power of the network may actually really be the Next Big Thing this time.

      If projects like the $100 laptop thing are successful they could have the unintended consequence of making things like Web appliances viable commodities. General purpose computing would become a relatively specialized market, like mainframes today: still profitable and a viable business, but no where near as profitable as it is for Microsoft today. In those market conditions either MS doesn't have a lot of choice but to to through some very rough financial times.

      Both Apple and Microsoft are making moves in the direction of commodity appliances, but Apple is (so far) doing so a lot more successfully.

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    4. Re:Unproven business model by Bastian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Microsoft makes assloads of money off of Windows and Office and then strongarms their way into other markets, usually by either taking advantage of their dominance in the OS market or by simply hemmorhaging piles of money into the project.

      Google makes assloads of money off of web advertising and uses it to strongarm their way into other markets, usually by either taking advantage of their dominance of the search market or by simply hemmorhaging piles of money into the project.

      Google's balance sheet may be solidly positive, but so were Microsoft's and AT&T's when they were younger. It looks to me like Google may be able to reign for a while, maybe even a decade or two, but a business model that depends on a lack of strong competition in at least one market isn't just unproven, it's proven to be fragile.

  11. Ballmer should step down, of course. by zzztkf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ballmer decided to compete with Oracle and potentially SAP. I don't think M$ can't win against Oracle and SAP, however, looking at growth of Google and Yahoo in same time frame. What he had to do as CEO was so obvious. It was wiser decision to enhance search/web based business to compete Google, Yahoo or anything else than pursuing Oracle with SQL Server and acquiring business software marker like Navision.

  12. The heir apparent. by Alien54 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    From the article:

    Chief Operating Officer Kevin Turner, a recent hire from Wal-Mart Stores where he ran the Sam's Club division and previously served as the retailer's chief information officer, is the most likely replacement for Ballmer.

    He has one big strike against him: his short tenure at Microsoft, which translates into a lack of familiarity with the company's culture. He's believed to be behind a recent cost-cutting move to force the company's substantial contractor workforce to take an unpaid week off. Since contractors at Microsoft contribute to important projects and are often hired on as full-time employees, the move hurt morale.

    But as Wal-Mart's CIO, he bought a lot of software from Microsoft, giving him a valuable perspective as a customer that most executives who rose through the ranks at Microsoft lack.

    Microsoft run by a WalMart Exec. The mind boggles ....

    heck, the parodies practically write themselves

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    1. Re:The heir apparent. by RsG · · Score: 4, Funny
      heck, the parodies practically write themselves


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    2. Re:The heir apparent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, this makes perfest sense. Both Wal-Mart and Microsoft based their businesses on selling cheap low-quality products to the masses who do not know better, and then use unfair (and often illegal) tactics to force the competition out of business, thus denying higher quality producted to those who do know better.

      In both cases, the company has created an business echosystem with itself at the center where the partners (manufactures for Wal-Mart, and ISV for MS) are addicted to the cash flow, but to compete for the crumbs that WM or MS allows them to receive under the constant threat of getting crushed like a bug.

    3. Re:The heir apparent. by fuzzix · · Score: 2, Funny
      Since when have Microsoft products been cheap?

      They've always been very cheap and very expensive.
    4. Re:The heir apparent. by thomasgulch · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wait until walmart merges with mickeysoft and Haliburton, and the CEO retires to become president of the US of A.

    5. Re:The heir apparent. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      The difference is that Microsoft products are insanely cheap. Oh wait, that's not a difference. Regardless, go out and price some "enterprise" software sometime. Call up IBM, HP, Sun, and Oracle. Then go back and look at Microsoft's pricing again and tell me that it's expensive... Then again, there's a separate question of whether it's even worth that much.

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  13. i have three words for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    i love this company

  14. Why should he step-down??? by mincognito · · Score: 2, Informative

    Two words:
    Crazy
    lunatic

  15. There he is!! In the window on the left. GET HIM! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Armed with pitchforks and torches, the angry mob of investors and users converged upon the Microsoft campus in Redmond. Chairman Bill had long left the area for the safety of other countries. Although his travels were charitable in name, The Chairman's main intent was to place large moats between him and the beligerent American mobs. And now, the evil president created by the chairman was left to his own devices. President Ballmer was trapped. And there were only a few chairs left in the room. He began to panic; what could he throw to show his might?

  16. Revenue is not the whole story by ClosedSource · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Take the total revenue made by the company over it's entire life and then subtract all the money invested in the company since it was created. In the case of Google, the result is a negative number.

  17. Missed out on SUV sales as well. by 91degrees · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why should Microsoft have been in such a good position for web based software? It's a completely different chunk of the industry from software sales.

  18. Management so bad... Oh Really ? by BadassJesus · · Score: 3, Informative

    MSFT sales figures are skyrocketing..

    Xbox 360 Sales figures by Peter Moore at E306
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnufsctQnpU


    Full 1 hour Microsoft E3 press conference (May 10th 2006)
    main speech comes after the "Gears of War" showdown, its worth the wait..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnufsctQnpU

  19. Some sort of change is needed by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'll be the first to admit that I'm not Microsoft's #1 fan - I find thier business practices less than satisfying, and their software usually doesn't light my fires, but I have to give them a lot of credit for their business sense, so I'd like to see them do better.

    Whether Ballmer leaves or not, there needs to be a shake up in the direction of the company, because in my mind, they've lost sight. Right now, they remind me of Sony: floundering about, trying to do several things at once, and not really winning either user love or support. They throw money at problems in the hope of winning something, but it doesn't seem like they really know what they are going to do when they get there except have another potential monopoly - and I think that's where they are failing. They're trying to recreate the Windows dominance, instead of just competing.

    In a sense, it seems like what they keep trying to pursue is power, not money. And it keeps costing them user loyalty and potential revenue.

    Take the Xbox: a $4 billion dollar loss. People can get up and shout "But they're number 2 in console sales", but they have lost $4 billion dollars, and it doesn't seem like they're going to do any better this time. Already the 360 in Japan has been a flop (even interesting looking games like "99 Nights" hasn't helped, through perhaps "Lost Planet" and "Blue Dragon" (if I got the name right) might help), their Xbox lead made users irritated by claiing that "nobody cares about backwards compatibility", a stance that he had to back pedal from as fast as possible. Then again, Sony's trying to figure out how to shoot their foot while sticking it in their mouth at the same time, so maybe they have a chance unless the Wii is as cool as people expect it to. But the Xbox division seems intent on "dominating" the gaming industry. As a counterpoint, look at Nintendo: 3rd place (whenever you take out the handhelds, which I never understand why people ignore), but profitable - and they don't care about being "first", just in making money on every sale.

    Cable TV chasing, application server in big iron areas that hasn't panned out - it just seems like Microsoft's just throwing darts at a board, from what seems like an infinite supply of darts supplied by the Office and Windows monopoly. But if Google chips a little bit there, Apple a little bit there, all of the sudden bleeding money doesn't seem like a good idea.

    My recommendation: they focus on what will make them money, not what will get them power. My father once made a comment that Bill Gates is intent on keeping Larry Ellison the 2nd richest man in the world (or in that area) by not porting MS SQL Server to Linux, Solaris, OS X, and everything else that they can. What if MS Office was *truly* ported to OS X (including true Outlook support instead of the "almost but close" version), with MS Project and Visio, and on Linux?

    Instead of trying to make the world "support our monopoly", new leadership at Microsoft could focus on "what makes money?" Yes, there is a danger in making, say, SQL and Office for OS X and Linux, because that would potentially decrease the Windows desktop sales. But at the same time, it could ensure that if Windows ever goes away, they still have a steady source of income in the future - and it could make them a lot of money now.

    It's a hard change to go from "We dominate the PCs, leverage that dominance and protect it" to "What do our customers want, and how can we fill that gap". Windows dominance has worked so well for so long, that I don't think MS can chance until that dominance is truly challenged. If Apple gets some sort of DarWine system working, if Vista keeps getting delayed, if Google actually makes the OS not matter - MS could be in trouble.

    Granted, the odds are, nothing's going to happen to MS. People have predicted their demise for years, and I don't see things changing for them for 10 years. On the other hand, you never know when that "next big thing" that blows away the cu

    1. Re:Some sort of change is needed by JonathanBoyd · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Take the Xbox: a $4 billion dollar loss. People can get up and shout "But they're number 2 in console sales", but they have lost $4 billion dollars, and it doesn't seem like they're going to do any better this time.

      The 360 has been out less than a year and other consoles haven't even been released yet. It's a little speculative to make that kind of prediction now. It looks like they're going to get a bigger market share this time round, which is what they're after at the moment. They're playing the long game by building up a customer base they can make money off later. Though I imagine they hoped 'later' would come a bit earlier.

      Already the 360 in Japan has been a flop (even interesting looking games like "99 Nights" hasn't helped, through perhaps "Lost Planet" and "Blue Dragon" (if I got the name right) might help),

      Japan has been quite disastrous. Will be interesting to see what happens they get games out that the Japenese actually want. Things are considerbly healthier in the US and Europe though.

      their Xbox lead made users irritated by claiing that "nobody cares about backwards compatibility", a stance that he had to back pedal from as fast as possible.

      To be fair to Microsoft here, I don't think there was any back pedalling. The quote was taken way out of context, which they really should have anticipated, given the way people like to jump up and down on them.

      Then again, Sony's trying to figure out how to shoot their foot while sticking it in their mouth at the same time, so maybe they have a chance unless the Wii is as cool as people expect it to. But the Xbox division seems intent on "dominating" the gaming industry. As a counterpoint, look at Nintendo: 3rd place (whenever you take out the handhelds, which I never understand why people ignore), but profitable - and they don't care about being "first", just in making money on every sale.

      Conversely, you could say that Nontendo doesn't have a choice. Being a games company, they have to make a profit, or go out of business. Microsoft, on the other ahnd, can subsidise the games division in order to establish the foothold in the market that Nintendo and Sony already have.

  20. Maybe they are not mistakes by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whose to say Gates made a mistake letting google and yahoo create web based software? It's MS modus operandi to let others pioneer a field then they take it over. We all know the PC story and how IBM and apple and others pioneered it. Same with Wordprocessing and office software. And what about Programming IDEs?.

    Now look at what is happening in the field of PDAs and telephones. And of course there's the Xbox which came lat to the party as well. And one might even speculate MS will make a bigger move on the Server side of computing soon.

    MS is always late the to party. Pioneers get the arrows. Settlers get the land.

    One can hardly say that google's web apps are either the wave of the future or that in the End it won't be MS that controls them. There was nothing defective about Gates strategy, it has worked in the past quite well.

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    1. Re:Maybe they are not mistakes by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The reason Windows remains the dominant desktop OS at this point is strictly status quo. Nobody wants to switch, because Windows is essentially associated with PCs -- that is why, despite Ubunutu's ease of use and Windows' terrible security record, there hasn't been any mass migration. However, it is this same phenomenon that will make it hard for Microsoft to get anywhere in places like the server market. Look at how long Microsoft has been fighting the server battle, just to get a 30% share! Ignoring Google for so long has created the same situation in that market -- they allowed Google to be associated with web search (and other services), and now people just go to www.google.com when they are looking for something. This is the mistake Microsoft made. PDAs? Same mistake, only Microsoft managed to make something that was legitimately better than PalmOS.

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    2. Re:Maybe they are not mistakes by JavaLord · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We all know the PC story and how IBM and apple and others pioneered it. Same with Wordprocessing and office software. And what about Programming IDEs?. Now look at what is happening in the field of PDAs and telephones. And of course there's the Xbox which came lat to the party as well.

      MSN is another good example

      Gates deserves blame for missing the wave of Web-based software that has propelled Google and Yahoo.

      I really don't think Google and Yahoo are microsofts problem. If you ask Joe Shmoe CEO who is starting a business what kind of software he needs, he's still going to say "Outlook, Word, Excel".

      The real problem with microsoft is they can't innovate with new versions of their old products. .net isn't that hot, Vista is taking forever, nothing special is going on with office, MSN doesn't stand out in any way, SQL server doesn't seem like anything special compared to oracle or even MySQL. The only thing it seems they are making progress with is the X-Box 360 and Live Arcade.

      Also from the article:

      Losing both Gates and Ballmer will spell a big change for Microsoft. But it's likely to be a positive one. At this point, Ballmer's associated more with the hard-charging business tactics that led to Microsoft's antitrust woes and a low stock price that's sapping employee morale.

      The drive of Gates and Ballmer may have led to antitrust woes, but they also drove Microsoft to be the #1 software company in the world. Give the devil its due.

    3. Re:Maybe they are not mistakes by tbmcmullen · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nah. You're wrong. I'm not sure where you get these ideas, but they aren't based in fact. Lets see...

      .Net isn't that hot

      Have you -tried- to get a programming job lately without having .Net experience? Okay, maybe thats not completely true, but in my chosen field of programming (web dev) it is becoming increasingly difficult to find a job that doesn't require .Net experience. I'm sure others in the field can vouch for that as well.

      Nothing special is going on with Office

      How much special stuff do you expect to go on with an office suite? They're obviously making a feeble attempt at it with this ribbonb nonsense and all, and their "open" xml format. But seriously, an office suite is an office suite is an office suite. I'd like to see you innovate on that.

      SQL server doesn't seem like anything special compared to oracle or even MySQL

      I use MySQL for a lot of projects, however, I'll be the first to point out that it doesn't have -nearly- the features that MS SQL does. MySQL has improved lately, but if you look back at version 4... Compare that to what was available from MS SQL at the time, and you'll see my point.

  21. Re:But what will he do next? by ianlee74 · · Score: 2, Funny
  22. a recipe for microsoft by Danathar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Although I HATE giving advice to MS..here it goes.

    1. Get out of the OS biz!

    2. License the Windows API's and other protocols that have practically become de-facto standards to ANY os vendor that wants to use it in their OS. Charge a per/seat license that is similar to the cost of windows now.

    In one fell swoop windows apps would still be what people use/develop (for the most part) and they would not have to worry about all the security headaches the OS has given them. They can make the same amount of money by charging the OS vendors. Linux vendors would give users the option of buying windows application compatibility and I'm sure Apple would as well.

  23. He should step down by Billosaur · · Score: 3, Funny

    Before Redmond runs out of chairs.

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  24. Real issue is stock options by OscarGunther · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Today's WSJ noted that Microsoft backdated its monthly stock option issues from 1992 to 1999 to coincide with its stock's monthly lows. While not strictly illegal, depending on how it was accounted for, the practice was quietly discontinued in 1999 and it's stinky in the current regulatory climate. This should come as no more of a shock than Jeff Skilling's abrupt retirement from Enron. Not saying the two are even remotely related in substance or gravity, but such departures usually happen for a reason that isn't good. Also, given the company's current malaise, it might be a good idea for the current leadership to step aside and let some fresh faces take a crack at running the company.

  25. Missed opportunities? by joshv · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Gates deserves blame for missing the wave of Web-based software that has propelled Google and Yahoo."

    Yes, instead they concentrated on making software people actually pay good money for. Google and Yahoo have revenue based for the most part on ads. MS is not in the ad business, though I am sure they sell a few on MSN, it's not really what they are good at.

    MS didn't 'miss the wave', they just continued to make their spectacularly successful products even better, and made a lot of money in the process.

    I am certainly glad that the google's and the yahoo's of the world exert competitive pressure on MS, which helps it overcome its monopolistic inertial. But this impetus is best directed towards adopting and innovating in its core business however. Leave search to google, but if Google Office has some interesting ideas, by all means, MS should use them, improve on them, and hopefully come up with innovative new ideas in an effort to best Google.

    1. Re:Missed opportunities? by saddino · · Score: 2, Informative

      MS is not in the ad business

      LOL. Of course they are.

  26. Heh... by Vorondil28 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why Jobs should take the helm at Microsoft
    Now that would be a story...


    I'm not sure I'd call one of Dvorak's columns a story as much as a meaningless pile of steaming crap.

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  27. Tags by palad1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Tags : Chair (tagging beta)

    Now we need to mod tags as well ;)

  28. Steve Ballmer is Microsoft by LibertineR · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As Steve has gotten older and fatter, so has the company. As Ballmer's temper and desire to kick has been moderated by exposure, so has the company lost its edge. When I worked at Microsoft, the company was all about beating the snot out of the competition. Now, winning doesnt seem to be the goal anymore. Its all about growth, benefits, process and PR. Ballmer used to stock the halls screaming, "Oh, you WILL ship, or you wont be here!" Now, from what I hear, its more like "Oh, please ship on time, okay guys?" Mark L. got it right, they cant ship anymore. Vista is a fucking disaster, whether it ships or not. Today is the first day in 20 years that I dont own a share of Microsoft stock. If Microsoft is going to change, they should put J. Allard in charge.

  29. Re:Forgot login - Nick Donovan by Skreems · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not ALL thick clients are irrelevant. You still need development environments, databases, and office apps that won't suddenly be "down for maintanance" in the middle of the day (and have more features than web-based systems can deliver at present). I'll be the first to say, I think the idea of distributed thin-client applications is fantastic, but there ARE problems that need to be solved first. And even then, how many people are going to accept the "pay per month" model that login-based services will almost certainly bring? The market for installable applications is far from dead.

    As for "the whole idea of licenses for OS instances and that being a primary product is effectively dead IMHO"... what?? You still need a system on which to run the thin-client apps, even if that's all you use. And yes, some linux distros give it away for free, but that doesn't mean the idea of the OS as a marketable product is suddenly gone.

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  30. Actually, Wall Street would love that by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, Wall Street would love to do the standard rise-the-stock-value-so-we-can-sell-even-if-it-kil ls-the-company dance:

    - bring in a new CEO who promises radical cost-saving changes all over the place (watch stock value invariably rise)

    - have him fire half the workforce, accompanied by giving interviews all over the place about trimming the fat and returning to good ol' capitalism values (ditto)

    - make it an official policy to only hire re-trained ex-burger-flippers and transfer half the remaining jobs to Elbonia and East Bumfuckistan in the next years (look at all those money we were wasting on paying highly-qualified people. Stock price rises some more.)

    - "motivate" the remaining employees with mottos like "your job could be the next one that goes to India", and unrealistic productivity demands. Accompany it with some speeches showing that you see them as a bunch of slackers, just to be sure they have no illusions left that their contribution is appreciated in any form or shape. (Hell, yeah, high productivity here we come. Watch everyone buy MS stock, driving the share value even higher.)

    - drop half the products, on account that they weren't directly making that much money. Never mind that they help form the interlocking whole that makes MS almost impossible to displace in the market. (Ditto.)

    - sell the relevant IP and know-how to competitors for some quick cash (yeehaw, MS income was above estimates this quarter. Let's all rush to buy their shares.)

    - spin off and sell half the acquisitions that MS ever made. Preferrably for less than half the price originally paid for those companies. (Ditto.)

    - reshuffle departments and internal policies for no good reason, just to seem like you're doing something new and radical (ok, by this point it only adds a few more cents per share, but it's better than nothing, you know?)

    - announce some hare-brained new products, but miss the mark or the market by a mile because of having no fucking clue about the technology involved

    - rape the brand recognition, as much as MS does have of it, for some quick buck for the next quarter, at the expense of annoying and losing existing customers

    - take some more flashy measures that'll get lots of press like suddenly rebranding to a new name (and losing most of the brand recognition the old name had), moving to another town, "reinventing oneself" by moving completely into a new market, or whatever

    At this point the big Wall Street names sell their own stock, making a quick profit. The company starts a long and painful downward spiral, a la SGI, except MS has cash reserves to last much longer. The CEO soon moves to another company, with Wall Street's full backing, to do the same again. A few years down the line, MS is as relevant to the OS market as SGI now is to the computer graphics market, but Wall Street have gotten their quick buck already.

    Think I'm exaggerating? Look at what happened to SGI, for example, and then tell me I'm exaggerating. It only took one bright new CEO to do more than half of what I wrote above, and set SGI on a downwards spiral from which it never recovered. Where SGI is now, you already know.

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    1. Re:Actually, Wall Street would love that by tb3 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh, oh, I know this one! They should hire Carly Fiorina! She could wreck Microsoft in no time flat!

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    2. Re:Actually, Wall Street would love that by starfishsystems · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Look at what happened to SGI, for example, and then tell me I'm exaggerating. It only took one bright new CEO to do more than half of what I wrote above, and set SGI on a downwards spiral from which it never recovered.

      Yes indeed, though I don't know who exactly was driving the process at SGI, I saw it all unfold.

      SGI performed very well in the era when it dominated the graphical Unix workstation market. It had a superior product in an expanding market. The market was strong in significant degree because there was a healthy mix of other Unix platforms which interoperated fairly well together, and it was an exciting time for both hardware engineering and operating system design. Then two things happened.

      The first development was that the industry became fractious as the commercial Unix vendors began to get grandiose ideas of dominance. Unix interoperation began to suffer and the market became distinctly less shiny because of all the dust in the air. Other changes were affecting the industry as a whole, but this one touched SGI particularly, because IRIX was not extremely great at interoperation to begin with, and it was frankly a pain to look after on a large scale. So customer loyalty was becoming a bit fragile at that point.

      The second development was that SGI chose that moment to undertake a major change of strategy. Rather than competing as a supplier of graphical Unix workstations, it tried to move up the stack and reposition itself as a supplier of unique graphics applications, the platform now being regarded as somewhat incidental. Unsurprisingly, this proved to be a much smaller market than before, and not especially receptive to the product suite which SGI had to offer.

      The Unix market rapidly lost interest in SGI thereafter. A second repositioning by SGI around shared-memory supercomputing was technically interesting but again somewhat off on the sidelines where economies of scale are smaller and development costs higher.

      Is this anything like the Microsoft story? I can't see many parallels, myself, except perhaps for internal morale issues which are not unique to these two, that's for sure. Certainly, Microsoft enters lots of markets where it does badly and wastes a lot of money, and through hubris it has been late to the party at almost every interesting development in the industry, from system design principles to the graphical interface and from security to networking. But those are ventures, and at least, whatever risk it takes on them, Microsoft continues always to sit heavily on its core market. I think what hurt SGI most was confusion over what its core market should be.

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  31. Rolling over Google with raw weigh wont work by gelfling · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ballmer, yet another Bill Gates crony billionaire thinks that just sitting on his fat ass waiting for Google to wither up and die is the best strategy for Microsoft. But it won't work because Google is actually doing things that MS can't or won't or doesn't want to.

    And the best thing they can come up with in Redmond is to create a turn of the Operating System crank with an unquenchable lust for hardware which will make everyone go out and buy a new PC, which will need OS and upgrades which will need a new PC and so.

    Ballmer must go! Ballmer must go! My stock is where it was in 1998 god damnit.

  32. And MS Linux Is On The Way Too! by blueZhift · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seriously, if Balmer were to step down too, the door would be open for some substantial change at Microsoft. Just like the palace revolution Steve Jobs staged on his return to Apple which saw, among other things, the Copeland project dropped in favor of what became the BSD based (essentially) MacOS X, a big change at the top of Microsoft could open the door to MS Linux. The fact is that it is really Office that keeps companies in Microsoft's corner more than Windows itself. Most don't care about the OS, as long as it runs Microsoft Office. MS could still make gobs of money and even cut costs by not having to use so many resources on OS development. They could focus more energy on a great user experience. And being able to offer a great OS at a much lower price, the piracy problem would not be such a big deal anymore. And we all know that the major PC makers would continue to bundle the MS OS along with all of the other stuff they do. Third party software publishers might complain at first, but they would quickly get on board too, to stay in business.

    I know there are plenty of obstacles to this, but the biggest by far is probably the pride of the current leadership.

  33. Time has passed the old lions by. by hey! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'll tell you a legend that (I promise) bears on this.

    In 1980, Alberto Salazar ran his first NYC marathon and won it with the second fastest US marathon time ever. He won two successive NYC marathons, breaking a twelve year old world record in 1981. He was on his way to being the greatest long distance runner ever. Then came Boston in 1982, and the Duel in the Sun with Dick Beardsley. Beardsley was a great runner of course, but he didn't have Salazar's physical gifts. Salazar had intense pride and incredible mental toughness, but Beardsley was smart and used Salazar's pride as a weapon against him. He did his best to make it look like taking on the world record holder was a walk in the park, which irked Salazar. It was almost disrespectful.

    The day was warm and sunny but there was a cooling headwind. On a day like that, drinking was critical, and Beardsley drank quite a bit, and when he noticed this seemed to bother Salazar, he made a big production out of it. Salazar in his annoyance began to refuse water, doggedly stalked Beardsley mile after mile. At the final mile mark Beardsley looked back and saw that after running over 133 thousand feet, Salazar was only fifteen feet behind him. With delicate brutality, Salazar began to put on speed. Not too much, because in the past dueling lead pairs had broken down and dropped into second and third place.

    With a mere 1800 feet to go out of the total 138,435 ft, Beardsley was bumped by a press vehicle. It wasn't much, but Salazar used this to make his move. He crossed the finish line eleven steps ahead of Beardsley, with a finish time of 2:08:52 to Beardley's 2:08:54 -- a quarter of a tenth of percent difference.

    Salazar was champion and record holder. He was also a broken man.

    Salazar would never run like that again. He went into a physical decline, so that a few years later he could barely jog a mile. In part this was due to the development of asthma, in part it may have been that that final brutal mile, in which Salzar was running six liters low on water, did something to his brain. A decade later, Salazar began to run again with the aid of Prozac.

    The relevance of this story is this: running a marathon is different from running a sprint. And Microsoft is a sprinter. When the new technology land office opens up new vistas, you want to get out there fast and stake your claim. People remark on how agile Microsoft was when it decided to adapt to the Internet. But that kind of reaction is what Microsoft does. They look for an opportunity which they pour resources into so they can quickly pull ahead of the competition so they can establish an unassailable position.

    Running a mature business is different. It's not about running the race for two hours and some change. It's about running forever; it's about the tortoises beginning to overtake the hare. That's when giving it your all isn't enough, you have to husband your resources wisely. Eefficiency steps up and takes an equal place with determination.

    Unless Microsoft can get in on the starting line of something big and new, Microsoft is going to find itself playing hare to an army of tortoises. That means a huge cultural change. Almost certainly, it means new blood in the leadership.

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  34. Not Just Microsoft But EVERYWHERE!!! by pandrijeczko · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Nope, I'm no Microsoft fan & Gates is practically angelic when put alongside Ballmer.

    Unfortunately, the same "cancer" (to use an MS "Linux" term) that has affected MS has spread across the entire IT & service industry - namely, a complete redifinition (for the worse) of what is good customer service and what are good products.

    It's because of hype, over-advertising & the gullibilities of the general populace that MS and its ilk can utilise the user community for "live testing" their software after that same community has already paid for it, that Hollywood can make profits from poor quality sequel movies, & that talentless plastic "musicians" (I use the term loosely) can be catapulted to chart success on the basis of a formulaic, manufactured ballad.

    Added to this, customer service used to be about just *asking* your customers whether they were happy with what you did for them and listening to them when they weren't happy - now it's about graphs showing that "95% of all customer calls were answered within 10 seconds" with no mention of the fact that the caller and the agent probably do not share the same native language. But because *EVERYBODY* has done this (banks, utility companies, corporations, etc), everybody now offers lower quality statistical-dependent customer service and the poor customer suffers as a result.

    I'd like to think that the reason for MS's worse fortunes over the past few years was due to we customers becoming more discerning - but then I look at the hideous amount of advertising and hype I'm pumped with every day and realise that if advertising didn't do its job, companies would *decrease* spending on it rather than increasing it...

    No, it's nothing more than the capitalist bubble getting near to popping - Microsoft and all the others have to get greedier & greedier to consume larger and larger profits each year by creating products so fast that they have no time to test them properly before releasing them. In other words, their greed for money, not for serving the customer, is destroying themselves.

    I like living in a capitalist society but capitalism only works when the customer-base exhibits self-control and intelligence before handing money over for any goods or service - unfortunately, 95% of the populace are brainless cattle...

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  35. Re: Missed Opportunities by joshv · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Have you looked at the new version of MS Office? I am no MS fan boy. I've been dealing with their bulky office products for most of my career - their saving grace is that they usually are better, or no worse, than all of the other product out there.

    But the new version of MS Office has some extremely innovative user interface and workflow components. It's unlike anything else out there. And no, it's not just copying OS X.

    I propose a new rule, if you find yourself penning a knee-jerk response to any positive commentary about Microsoft, just scrub it and start over. Intelligence is marked by the ability to perceive shades of gray, not just black and white. I can recognize that though there are many negative aspects of Microsoft's business practices and products, there are also many positive aspects. And indeed, though MS has grown mostly throw acquisition and mimicry of innovators, it is still very much capable of innovating on its own every once in awhile.

  36. Want to see the stock plunge? by doodlebumm · · Score: 2, Insightful
    When Gates and Ballmer are no longer at the top, and they start to sell of their billions in MS stock, you will see it's price drop to less than half it's current price. There are three factors that will make that happen:
    1. Gates and Ballmer are the driving forces at MS. If you take the two big sharks out of the tank, the rest of the fish calm down because they are not as likely to be viewed as lunch. With them gone, Microsoft may be less likely viewed as agressive as they have been in the past.
    2. The public view is that Gates is Microsoft. When he's gone, shareholder confidence will decrease.
    3. Supply and demand. If they sell, supply goes up, and certainly the demand will be less (see numbers 1 and 2 above).
  37. Steve Ballmer != Paul Allen by cyberformer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Enderle appears to be ignorant of Microsoft history, despite his claimed 20-year record. The other Microsoft founder left many years ago (long before Gates).

    Ballmer was just an employee. Gates supposedly promoted him because he was buying stock while other insiders were selling it, demonstrating his faith in the company (and making him very rich, as this was back when MS was much smaller).

  38. 16% loss by mfh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The article disclosed a 16% deflation in MS stock.

    That might be still profitable, but it's a sign of what's happening... they are moving in the WRONG direction.

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    1. Re:16% loss by GaratNW · · Score: 2, Informative

      Most, or possibly every quarter Microsoft has ever posted has shown small to large year to year earnings growth. A stock price going down has little to do with reality, and far more to do with what, as someone already mentioned, analysts say and how whacked out on oxycontin the day traders that day are. Microsoft stock has seen a 16% decline this year, almost ALL of that since the last quarterly reports, because Ballmer told them that Microsoft was going to spend a lot more money over the next 8 quarters (I think it was) investing in new technologies and in a huge marketing push for Vista. Microsoft is hardly going in the wrong direction. It just doesn't happen to be a direction that has Wall Street fawning over them at the moment. The main thing Microsoft hasn't done that has pissed off Wall Street in recent years is not raise their dividend to what would, ultimately, be an unsustainable level, and instead, has grown it very conservatively, so that when they do increase it, they can maintain it. That's just smart business. But it doesn't make your average "Where's the money" investor happy.

  39. We need him! by antdude · · Score: 2, Funny

    We need him so we can tease him of his monkey dances, f**king killings, chair throwings, etc. Bill Gates didn't have anything funny like that! Steve had characters. [grin]

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  40. Entirely unsurprising by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    " He's believed to be behind a recent cost-cutting move to force the company's substantial contractor workforce to take an unpaid week off. Since contractors at Microsoft contribute to important projects and are often hired on as full-time employees, the move hurt morale."

    Ah, so he knows the magic words ("cost-cutting move") and likes to kick the workers in the teeth. I can see how Wall Street would love him.

    *sigh* There's been a recent article linked to by /. about how some people at the top are really psychopaths, in the medical sense of the word. Still, technically that only has to mean not caring about others. But the more time goes by, the more it seems that some people at the top aren't just psychopathic, but also the sadistic kind. And some just seem to have a sort of hatred for those they're supposed to manage.

    I mean, look at his cost-cutting move:

    1. There are 52 weeks in a year, even if _everyone_ at MS was a contractor, and if salaries were the _only_ expenses MS ever has, it still would have saved less than 5% of the costs. But when you factor in that not everyone is, and also that execs salaries aren't the same as those of the peons thus shafted, and all the other costs, I'll take a wild guess and say that maybe he's saved 1% for the whole year. But wait, it gets better:

    2. It's not like those people were sitting around idle. MS has enough coding going on at any given time, and taking enough flak over, say, Vista delays. So here's the more important part: that "cost saving" is more than offset by the fact that it was a week of them not producing stuff for MS. We're not talking a factory who's over-produced taking a week off, but forcing it onto people who were actually producing value for the company during that time. It's as idiotic a decision as, say, closing a bunch of Wal-Mart shops for a week: sure, you've saved the money for running them for a week, _but_ you've made a bigger loss by not selling anything in that time. So far from being a "cost-cutting measure", it was more like a profit-losing measure.

    3. It was done purely for greed sake. It's not like MS was making heavy losses and needed that kind of penny-pinching to stay afloat. Forcing people to take unpaid time off when the company is making a healthy profit is... just pure unhealthy greed. Nothing more, nothing less.

    4. It was accompanied by a drop in morale. Partially also because we're talking about people smart enough to understand points 1 to 3, and recognize a _stupid_ penny-pincher when they see one. Being shafted when the company is in dire straits is one thing, but being shafted for such a completely idiotic reason tends to leave a very bad aftertaste. Even if number 2 hadn't already done more harm than good, we're talking a loss of morale that'll span many months and for some people it will even stay around for ever. And it won't even affect only those shafted, but also the people who got to see their co-workers shafted by a dumb PHB. This alone is more than enough to cause more harm than any cost-savings he might have made.

    So basically we're not even talking about a regular penny-pincher, we're talking about the dumbest kind of a PHB. The kind that makes the original PHB from Dilbert actually seem smart and competent by comparison. And the dumbest kind of decision one can do at a company.

    And yet Wall Street loves him for it and likes the idea of him as a CEO...

    I don't know... I really don't know... Are these people even focused on profit, or share value, or whatever, or are they just getting their jollies from shafting the workers and using profit as just an excuse?

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    1. Re:Entirely unsurprising by ClamIAm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      4. It was accompanied by a drop in morale. Partially also because we're talking about people smart enough to understand points 1 to 3, and recognize a _stupid_ penny-pincher when they see one. Being shafted when the company is in dire straits is one thing, but being shafted for such a completely idiotic reason tends to leave a very bad aftertaste.

      This may be intentional. Contractors are more likely to flee from a job that is screwing them over. Those who put up with bullshit and don't complain will be the only ones left.

    2. Re:Entirely unsurprising by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was tempted to add this as #5, actually. Losing more people in the middle of a project. I don't expect that an ex-Wal-Mart manager understands it, but replacing a programmer in the middle of a project is less trivial than replacing a cashier or even a data entry typist. Even if you had an instant replacement with exactly the right skills (which, in practice might take a while and some interviews to find: there's a reason companies pay bonuses to headhunters), you'll have to get them over the learning experience of the project itself. They have to assimilate all the info that the old guy knew, including goals, coding styles, teamwork style (each team works slightly differently), knowing who to ask about what, internal frameworks, etc. Even if they're perfectly documented and have crystal-clear APIs and the old guy wrote perfectly clear and commented code (which, judging by the reactions to some internal code MS submitted instead of protocol docs in the EU anti-trust trial, might not always be the case), it's still one big chunk to assimilate and takes some time.

      So basically doing something that disruptive to several projects at the same time, just to see who's prepared to suck up and polish the PHB's ego... is... uninspired, and that's going for the understatement of the century.

      And I'm not even going into how much of a PHB someone needs to be, to want to shake off those who are talented enough to not need to put up with crap, and be left with those underperforming or insecure enough to take any shit as long as it keeps them in the job.

      Plus, it adds even more to the #4 problem. I doubt that everyone who does leave, instantly quit in that week. Most people, especially those with families, will first look for a new job and _then_ quit. And in the meantime they'll do the job with the half-arsedness of someone who'll be out of there in a couple of months anyway.

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    3. Re:Entirely unsurprising by radtea · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are these people even focused on profit, or share value, or whatever, or are they just getting their jollies from shafting the workers and using profit as just an excuse?

      You got it: they are enjoying the feeling of power and using profit as an excuse. All human institutions reflect basic primate (especially chimpanzee) psychology. Hierarchy and attention are the dominant factors in monkey societies. Monkeys who can get the troop's attention are able to move up the social tree more easily, and there is a basic drive to get as high as possible. It "just seems the right thing to do" to your average unreflective monkey.

      The big mistake geeks make is to think that technical expertise is more than weakly related to success in the corporate world. Being a charismatic bully is far more likely to get you promoted than techincal capability.

      This is not much of a problem so long as we don't let the propoganda that companies spew get to us. Most importantly, the degree of loyalty you owe to your employer is exactly equal to the degree of loyalty your employer shows to you and your fellow-workers. In the case of MS, they have made a very clear statement that arbitrary actions like dropping all contractors for a week are just find. Ergo, it is just fine for contractors to walk without notice or reason--or to just not show up for a week (without pay) for no reason). Of course, most contractors are decent human beings, so they will find more gentle exit strategies, but none of them should have the least compunction regarding leaving. Reciprocity is all.

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  41. Re:Frist Post by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I think he had made a mix of English and French.

    Perhaps, but I like to think it was more a sly amalgamation of both those words as well as "queue", meaning "line up" and the Spanish "que?" or "why?" into an existential analysis of many of the world's malaises.

    Clearly he is asking why the lineup of flying chair jokes is allowed or LET be started now. It is plaintive query about the values of a community which would reward those who would mock as august a personage as monkey-boy. An intellectual and insightful comment on the fragility of a society which fails to respect the sweaty and impulsive dancers on the stage of life.

    There's a lesson here for us all..

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  42. Alas, if it only were that simple by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Alas, I didn't have the fortune of being born a psychopath

    Read that link, seriously. It's an eye opener. Here's my favourite paragraph:

    "Chainsaw" Al Dunlap might score impressively on the corporate Psychopathy Checklist too. What do you say about a guy who didn't attend his own parents' funerals? He allegedly threatened his first wife with guns and knives. She charged that he left her with no food and no access to their money while he was away for days. His divorce was granted on grounds of "extreme cruelty." That's the characteristic that endeared him to Wall Street, which applauded when he fired 11,000 workers at Scott Paper, then another 6,000 (half the labor force) at Sunbeam. Chainsaw hurled a chair at his human-resources chief, the very man who approved the handgun and bulletproof vest on his expense report. Dunlap needed the protection because so many people despised him. His plant closings kept up his reputation for ruthlessness but made no sense economically, and Sunbeam's financial gains were really the result of Dunlap's alleged book cooking. When he was finally exposed and booted, Dunlap had the nerve to demand severance pay and insist that the board reprice his stock options. Talk about failure to accept responsibility for one's own actions.


    I took the liberty of highlighting what I find partially funny, partially sad there. Sorta like a tragic clown. Wall Street loved him for some massive firing waves and plant closing that didn't even make any fucking sense economically. And he continued doing those even knowing full well that they don't make sense, reflected in the fact that he cooked the books to make it seem like they actually helped in any way. Yet he kept on doing it.

    This wasn't a manager taking tough measures for tough times, it was just a psychopath finding personal entertainment in screwing the company that hired him.

    So, alas, much as I'd love to take my place on the executive golf courses, a cruel fate has decided I shouldn't be born in that 1% of the population that Wall Street loves. I have too much empathy for that. I couldn't look myself in the mirror after even thinking about doing something like that. So, alas, I've been condemned to a life of honest work instead. Fate can be cruel like that, you know.
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  43. Ballmer is a Psychopath by peterfa · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I suspect Ballmer suffers from what is commonly called being a psychopath. This makes him unfit to even be in society. This is a serious post. The real term is Antisocial Personality Disorder. I don't have a whole lot of information to go on, so it really could go either way. He's violent (throwing chairs), and he's a CEO.

    Not all CEOs have this disorder, but the job of CEO requires aggressivenes and hard driving. What looks like good leadership is really just a common sign, pushing people constantly.

    It's likely that Ballmer never really earned his way to the top. Instead he cheated people. He took credit for other people, he backstabbed, he lied. There are probably a wake of torn, short-term relationshipos. Psychopaths are clever and know how to charm. A guy like Ballmer would easily make his way to the top.

    While I really don't have the information to really be sure, I do have reason to suspect he's a psychopath, and I do think he is. Since he's a psychopath, he's not fit for society. He should step down from his chair. He should be perminately locked up so no one else will get hurt by him.

  44. Actually THIS is why Ballmer should step down by lostlyre · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc4MzqBFxZE&search= ballmer

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvbWLfr-Z4s&search= ballmer

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj3FOHc-fgA&search= ballmer

    I believe this to be irrefutable evidence that he is a nutjob. It also passes scientific community standards because his behavior is both predictable and subsequent experiments are repeatable. That behavior is nutjobby.

  45. Actually by Trogre · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think Ballmer is doing a superb job. Please don't get rid of him.

    The sooner he runs that two-bit company into the ground the sooner us IT professionals can get on with our lives.

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