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Full Body Dance Dance Revolution
tasty_beanburger writes "NewScientistTech has a story about a full body version of Dance Dance Revolution. It uses vision recognition to award points after assessing a player's ability to correctly mimic silhouetted dance shapes. Check out the video clip of it being demoed at SIGGRAPH 2006."
The researchers believe the system could have more practical applications in the future. They say it could be used to automatically translate sign language, for example
Yes, if this technology exists, and slips out into mainstream, they better put it into more practical uses than DDD.
... if there's a stage in which you must mimic the dance moves of Stephen Colbert.
Perhaps this can help my sex life? I'll just slip in a porn DVD grab the wife and then get points for following the action on screen.
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Well. With DDR my family looked like a bunch of kids with Tourette's Syndrome. Now they'll appear violently epileptic.
I can only hope they're unaware when this is released.
The technical angle on this software is what redeemed CmdrTaco from the "oh-this-will-only-make-me-look-more-dumb dept." Pretty interesting stuff, especially since it seems this stuff matures more rapidly once it goes into a game. (i.e. Flight Sims).
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Sounds a lot like "Supermodel Shootout" from Indie Game Jam 2. Exactly like it, in fact.
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http://www.indiegamejam.com/ seems to be down at the moment, but there's an article at http://mag.awn.com/index.php?ltype=Special+Featur
will the system need to use DDR memory?
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Wait, a dance game where you have to actually dance? How revolutionary!
I'm currently pouting at the lack of specs. Is this going to be on my PS2 (*sigh*, PS3) or do I have to shell out for a new standalone application? Granted I didn't download the video...
Seems like a lot of work for something that isn't that novel. I sense that a DDR with additional EyeToy functionality would be just as good, and I already *have* most everything for that.
Does this mean that the fat kid who lives at the arcade and plays 3+ hours of DDR every day yet never loses weight isn't going to be able to play DDD, because his silhouette can't possibly match up with the figures on the screen? I think that's unfair. Give sweaty headband kid a chance!
I think Konami's already made a lot of these sorts of games before. The one that springs to mind is ParaParaParadise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ParaParaParadise
...except with ugly people who can't dance.
So, I am sitting here in my Fedora Core 4 linux office linux distribution (no I dont have to be working as I finish at 5:00 and it is 6:00 GMT over here), when I attempt to watch the video refered by the Slashdot site (a news site which is supposed to be pro open source, anti Microsoft (c)), surprisingly, the video they link is nothing less than a nono-propietary-format WMV file uh?
Unfortunately I can not watch is as my distribution can not handle *that*. And no, I can not install anything (because I do not have r00t privileges). So, could anyone be so pollite to provide a mpeg or at least a FLV (aka youtube | gvideo) link?
Cheers mates!
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I like this idea. But I'm wondering how it will sell? It looks like you need a flat screen behind you and a camera in front of you to make the game work! In fact, with nearly 2/3 of the nation considered "obese," who's actually going to use this?
This seems too niche to have a chance here. Hopefully they can make money elsewhere in the world.
Until I read the article, I thought it was going to be Dance Dance Devolution.
Either way, it's safe to say:
we're through being cool.
I hope they're prepared for a legal onslaught from Apple.
With spending like this, exactly what are "conservatives" conserving?
The best part about going to the new "real life DDR" (a dance club) is that if you can get the moves down, the "score" part is way better than in the game!
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With DDR my family looked like a bunch of kids with Tourette's Syndrome.
So they looked like this guy?
"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
I was thinking they could get this to work on the upcoming Wii, and it would be able to seriously detect depth-position, unlike the EyeToy or the thing in the article. Imagine: holster a Wiimote to each arm and leg. The screen would specify the moves, perhaps through symbols that appear on the screen with some warning. Unlike DDR, this would be able to tell *which* foot you use for each move, and in addition, it could pick up kicks, twirls, claps, arm rolls, touching the ground, and probably a lot more I can't think of right now. I really hope someone makes such a game, and I'll try to get an SDK if no one does. (Not like they'll let an average Joe have one at any price, but I'll try.)
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Dude It's called ParaParaParadise and it's been out since 2000.
The video hasn't suffered from the /. effect. I suspect this has to do with their codec choice. And with the OS choice of many /.ers.
http://www.paraparaonline.com/media/video/ps2.php
I only viewed the first one (100) but the chick wasn't very good at playing the game. Every time she "touched" the blocks it said poor...at least she looked good doing it...ok it didn't look good at all...
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I'm intrigued reading this article. At, Nintendo, our r & D are working also working on something simliar to this. taking the integration of physical activity with video games to a whole new level... we're researching motion tracking in 3-D using purely computer vision techniques, and using no sensors worn on the body, like traditional mocap techniques require.
One difference is that we track the motion in 3-D space, using spatial extraction coupled with a stochastic Kalman-filter technique, rather than doing silloutte matching like these Taiwan guys are doing.
We'd rather not say more at this point, but suffice to say, we've got some interesting preliminary prototypes of this technology, such as Swing Swing Revolution, like DDR, except you have to do swing moves, not merely hit the arrows with your feet, and Kung Fu Master, a remake of the venerable NES game, where you guessed it, need to do real punching and kicking.
We look forward to commercializing this and making Nintendo the first and foremost choice of overweight geeks everywhere!
-- Samir Gupta, Ph. D. Head, New Technology Research Group, Nintendo Co. Ltd., Kyoto, Japan.
So what about kids that only have one arm?
Now everyone can dance like the older tester to Dance Dance Revolution in full body mode for a perfect score! Coming to a gym near you!
As a DDR fan reporting from SIGGRAPH, I'm disappointed to say that the gameplay is more like striking a series of "poses" than actual dancing. "Okay, now put your arms straight up. Now put them in a V. Now lean over sideways. It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A! ..."
Cheers,
IT
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Because what is DDR? I've never heard of it...
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Yes, but does it run Linux?
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A video game that actually involves burning calories is probably just what the US needs, and more of it.
Not just the US, either: there are plenty of places with obesity issues. But for a good aerobic workout, you don't need DDD: DDR and its ilk will do nicely. Heck, I've lost about 10kg by exercising with StepMania in recent months, and most of the time I don't even use the dance-pad, let alone some fancy-schmancy video-based detector.
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Oh yeah, Death Death Revolution
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Now I can pay at the arcade to mimic a siezure in front of people! Sweet!
Do you get rewarded for dancing like an uncoordinated fat man with a hula hoop?
I'll be your candy shop of infinite deliciousity if you'll be my discotheque of endless rump-shaking.
Havent't this been done with the EyeToy on PS2 already? DDR Extreme has EyeToy support and it's not as fun as with the pad only. Maybe it's because I never knew how to dance.
the Elaine Benes style of dancing then? Described as "a full-bodied dry heave set to music" by George.
I'd love seeing everyone do the little kicks!
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I think on of the images there is the guts of the full-body-musical-touch-sensor-thingie. It appears to allow you to touch various parts of your body to activate those specific synths. Bang bang bang...
You might think it is better to give lazy, irresponsible people hand-outs, but I on the other hand am not as interested in being taken advantage of as you seem to be.
o nsible people hand-outs does only one thing, and that's to make them more beligerent about getting further hand-outs. If you wish to bend to serve such masters they will forever be in need of your service, let me assure you. Don't.
Yes, we do need to help people in need, but we also need to make sure that people are responsible, to both themselves as well as to the rest of society. The first thing everyone has to do is become responsible for themselves. After that, they can use whatever energy and time they have left being partly responsible for others and giving them a hand.
If we were to instead do what you suggest, where I'm responsible for you and you're responsible for me, we wouldn't have a healthy society, we'd have a codependency disorder. In any case, your utopian world where we are not responsible for ourselves and are instead responsible for eachother, even ignoring for a moment that the very concept is fraught with problems, simply doesn't exist because people that take no responsibility - your supposedly-faultless lazy people - TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY. Not for themselves, not for you, not for me. They expect society to bend to their will and will raise all sorts of heck when it doesn't.
I live not far from one of the most downtrodden, most concentrated populations of homeless people in North America - the Vancouver downtown east side - and I'll tell you this: giving such supposedly-helpless-but-inactuality-mostly-irresp
People need to take responsibility for themselves. Those who don't take such responsibility sadly need to pay the price themselves. The rest of us shouldn't have to pay it for them. An unfortunate truth, this is, but the alternative is to be forever taken advantage of by those who frankly don't give a shit about themselves, you, society, or the world around them, and if you think what I'm saying applies only to the homeless people I mentioned earlier, you couldn't be more wrong. This is just as true of the lazy people that started off this whole thread. Allow them to be lazy, for certain, but don't set up the rest of society to get dragged down with them.
When I read the title I was thinking of Mosh Mosh Revolution....
I mean, think of the full body recognition, with a wand attachment for on-screen verification, and how many ubergeeks will suddenly learn really cool dance moves that will wow all the babes who will think they're super hot.
Oh, yeah, for the standard geek in high school, this is going to be a lifesaver!
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Dance Dance Immolation = DDR with Flamethrowers. Pointed at you.
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ITG has hand steps. Either you have to hit more than two arrows at once, or you have to be planted on two freeze arrows and still hit other arrows.
Not quite the same, but it involves more than your feet. Especially in Double mode - Bend Your Mind Expert Double has four freeze arrows you have to hold down simultaneously, and then you need to hit two more arrows. It does a number on your knees though.
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I already googled after my post and found out what it was, and then it hit me that the title of this slashdot article gives the definition also, but I didn't make the connection.
Yes, many of the previous posts that met my threshold prior to mine did mention DDR, but only "DDR", and did not say what it was. I had never heard of DDR before.
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I used to be a DDR freak, well not a master but definitely very much into it. I think this was mostly because it was the only way to get girls to come to my apartment (and that it did, very well I might add). It was my exercise, my passion, but then one day I decided to go all the way - TWO MATS BABY! Long story short, it's nine months later and my big toe has still not recovered from that "experience". With each step I'm reminded why the game comes with injury warnings...
DDR, you're a real bastard!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS10iEz3aV4&search= evolution%20of%20dance> evolution of dance.
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The only way this could be work is if they showed you a real dance routine and had you mimick it. Just jumbling up a random set of posses seems stupid.
You know, the only reason DDR doesn't look like dancing for many players is because a lot of people play in such a way as to nullify both the "dancing" and the "workout" element--what we refer to as "bar rapers". Yes. If you lay on the bar and flail your feet, you're going to get a great score but not impress anyone. Where's the fun in that? There's nothing like playing a round of doubles and turning around to find that half the food court has surrounded you in a huge semicircle and is applauding.
In fact, there's a fear of playing double-mode. I blame arcade operators for this. Doubles mode looks a lot more like dancing and feels a lot more smooth than many single-pad songs but in many arcades it's twice as expensive to play, but this doesn't have to be the case. The machines have a "Joint Premium" setting that the machine owners may change where you may utilize both pads for the cost of a single credit, which allows you to either play with a friend or play doubles mode. It's quite the crowd pleaser to do "Sakura" doubles, or if you play In The Groove many of the double songs have hands moves that look rather impressive.
ITG has been far more innovative than DDR in the science of making your feet lead the rest of your body to move in such a way as to actually look like dancing (as long as you're not humping the bar or otherwise nullifying the dancing element), and I can't say I'd be interested in playing a full-body dancing game for that reason. It is unnecessary in the sense that your body follows your feet naturally, and it seems like there would be a great deal of ambiguity in "scoring" or "passing" a song. No one wants to spend a dollar to play only to fail and be forced to give up your turn with a song or two remaining, so accurate scoring is key.
If you've never played one of these games, I strongly recommend you take a friend and try it at least once. That's how I got started--walking by a machine on the way to the movies and saying, "You know, for all the times I've made fun of this game I've never tried it." You'll find yourself making an excuse to come back and play again and again.
~Ben
It's actually more fun and has a better chance of getting you laid...
Konami made another game very similar to this one - Para Para Paradise. Maybe not the same moves, but the tech's the same - Motion sensors, anyone? (Perhaps this "full body DDR" is an update to this.) :)
And everybody looks like their having a seizure while playing it.
I'd heard a rumour of there being a hybrid machine which combined both the ddr mat and the parapara motion sensors, which would be an interesting game to try. Also there is a ddr / singstar hybrid in a arcade hall(?) in japan called Dance Dance Revolution Karaoke Mix.
But its hardly suprising that people are trying to get various rythym games to work together.
I'm willing to bet that eventually you'll be able to have all the various rythym games linkable to do an entire band line up with accompanying dancers.
What is lacking in the dancing games is tutorials about dancing styles like waltz, salsa or rock'n'roll, where you dance with a partner. Wait a sec... this is slashdot.... hmmm.. wonder if how well the asimo can dance?...
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Here's a training video to get you started. When you get a bit more advanced, you can move on to this.
Attack its weak point for massive damage!
If I get points for dancing like that guy, then you can keep your points, thank you.
Was showing the video clip to my colleauge just now. And he ask me, "This thing is to teach ppl to dance or exercise?" And I told him that, "It for teaching ppl to be monkey."