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USB Batteries

An anonymous reader writes "Tired of paying for new batteries all the time? Tired of searching for the charger for your rechargeable batteries? Worry not, because these new AA batteries will recharge direct from your USB port! This is such a cool idea, that I cant believe that no one has done it before." At $24 each I would hate to lose or break them on a regular basis.

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  1. Yay! Yet another use for powered USB ports. by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

    Too bad the one in my keyboard is unpowered, and my tower is in such an awkward position. :(

    1. Re:Yay! Yet another use for powered USB ports. by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 1

      That's nothing, I have six ports, and only the two in front are powered. Needless to say I wasn't the one who did that. Also, there is a mic port and a headphone port in front, both of which have a solid piece of plastic behind them. I mean, I wouldn't mind if they had removed the ports, but when I first got this comp I tried forever to figure out how the hell I was supposed to fit my plug in (it's impossible to see it's solid plastic unless you open up the case and look inside).

    2. Re:Yay! Yet another use for powered USB ports. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
      Too bad the one in my keyboard is unpowered, and my tower is in such an awkward position. :(

      I don't know whether you mean the tower is high off the desk or that the ports are in back against the wall. But you can always use a short A-type extension to bring the port to within easy reach. When I had either towers or flat boxes in a cramped space with all the ports in back, I always brought the serial, parallel and any other frequently changed ports out to the front or down from a shelf so they were always near at hand. Kinda like a grease rack, except for bits.

      No, I did not, over twenty years or more, ever have a problem with the extra connecions.

    3. Re:Yay! Yet another use for powered USB ports. by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1
      I have six ports, and only the two in front are powered ... have a solid piece of plastic behind them


      you got it good, The front USB ports in my case were all powered and stick out, accidently hit the bottom of the case, shorts out the motherboard, reboot. now I have a loose conection, any contact, reboots.

      Seams like a additional security risk for public PC's to me, got a exposed port, works as a reboot button, and bootable device in one. Defeats the purpose of bios lockouts for power buttons (ya physical access... but searching for power plugs, etc draws attention, plug in a shorted USB cable, plug in a USB device, own PC.)

      Then again in this day of 0 day XP exploits, all you need to have is internet explorer, enter your web site, PC is owned.
    4. Re:Yay! Yet another use for powered USB ports. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      you got it good, The front USB ports in my case were all powered and stick out, accidently hit the bottom of the case, shorts out the motherboard, reboot. now I have a loose conection, any contact, reboots.

      No, you got it good. In my day, we sure as hell didn't have "power," and we had to walk ten miles to reach the nearest port. Uphill both ways.
    5. Re:Yay! Yet another use for powered USB ports. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You lucky, lucky bastard! On my computer you have to use a hand crank to power it whilst typing with your foot and looking at the 14" B/W monitor. USB ports??? I had to solder the RS232 cable to the motherboard just to get my 9600 modem to work!!!
      </Monty Python>

    6. Re:Yay! Yet another use for powered USB ports. by prell · · Score: 1
      At $24 each I would hate to lose or break them on a regular basis.
      Break them?
    7. Re:Yay! Yet another use for powered USB ports. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and my tower is in such an awkward position. :(

      Your "tower"?? In an awkward position??

      That's funny :)

  2. Not so fast... by crazyjeremy · · Score: 5, Informative
    Not so fast fellow /.ers. This new product may not be all it's cracked up to be for their price... Unless you have lots of extra ports on your computer and your electronics do not need strong batteries.
    USBCELL batteries have a capacity of 1300mAH which is in line with most NiCd and NiMH batteries though some do go all the way up to 2500mAH. It takes five hours to charge a completely flat battery and an LED on the side will light up to indicate charging, flash for 10 minutes after charging is complete as an alert and switch off after that.
    Uhm... First of all, using USB for this is generally a bad idea. But if you do want to charge batteries via USB: 1300 mAH is NOT in line with most NiCd and NiMH batteries selling these days. The standard for 4 off brand NIMH batteries from Walmart right now is $6 for 2000 mAH to 2500 mAH (depending on if they've restocked recently as the Generic Brand has upped their standard capacity for AA's).
    Let's break this down.

    4 batteries - $6 at Walmart for off brand or $10 - $15 for 4 name brand rechargables.
    Cheap AA/AAA USB Charger $8 from tiger direct.
    OR
    Better AA/AAA USB Charger $20 from tiger direct.

    The cheapest route gives you 4 batteries, each with twice the mAH for $14 plus shipping. The most expensive route gives you the same thing for $30 plus shipping. Either way, buying a battery with only 1300 mAH nowadays is like buying a midsized car with a 50 hp engine.

    Bottom line? For novelty reasons, these batteries look interesting and you do not need to carry an additional charger. But at around $16 US apiece they are expensive and WAY underpowered. Additionally, you need one USB slot for each. If you buy a regular USB charger and use standard rechargeable batteries, you can charge several (up to 4) with one USB slot and spend half the money.

    Conclusion? It's a neat novelty backup backup. But it is way to expensive.
    1. Re:Not so fast... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well sure, for AA it's pointless. But what if you could charge a laptop battery with it? With two of them you could charge the main battery and the spare and never run dry!

      "In this house we obey the laws of Thermodynamics!"

    2. Re:Not so fast... by hyfe · · Score: 1
      Conclusion? It's a neat novelty backup backup. But it is way to expensive.
      Heh, capacity is only a big deal if charging / switching is a pain.

      For any computer with a cordless mouse/keyboard, this sounds like a god send. Have two sets, always keep one charged, and your battery troubles will be over forever*. Sounds practical as hell too me.

      * albeit the lower end of forever.

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    3. Re:Not so fast... by fm6 · · Score: 1

      You're quite right. And the same goes for most of the other silly little USB toys out there. USB is a data interface. Yes, it supplies power too, but is it the best place to get it? Unless you're using the same connection for data, and want to eliminate a little clutter, the answer is no. If the USB port is in a desktop machine or a server, that means wall power is available, and that's cheaper and easier to access. If the USB port is in a portable machine, adding all kinds of useless gizmos to your system just drains a battery that already doesn't last long enough.

    4. Re:Not so fast... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One nice thing about USB power is that it already comes in a useful voltage/current for electronics. No bulky "wall-wart" required.

    5. Re:Not so fast... by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      wow, i thought a 5 hour charge was bad. that cheap charger you linked says "The Digital Concepts USB AA/AAA jump charger full charges in 16 hours." i'm assuming that's partially because it's charging 2 instead of 1 though. the faster one doesn't say a charging time at all.

    6. Re:Not so fast... by BillX · · Score: 1
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    7. Re:Not so fast... by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. As it is, I run the flash for my digital camera (admittedly a reasonably substantial Canon Speedlite 430EX) off of 4 x 2600 mAH batteries, with a spare set. A couple of 1300 mAH batteries would get very very few shots.

    8. Re:Not so fast... by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1

      I couldn't imagine that. My charger can charge 4 x 2600 mAH AA batteries in a shade under 80 minutes.

    9. Re:Not so fast... by Moofie · · Score: 1

      "but is it the best place to get it?"

      Until somebody comes out with a standard DC power connector, the answer to your question is "yes".

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    10. Re:Not so fast... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stupid people shouldn't breed. Please pass that on to your parents.

    11. Re:Not so fast... by Pharmboy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Until somebody comes out with a standard DC power connector, the answer to your question is "yes".

      Ha! I can show you two dozen different standard DC power connectors here in my desk drawer...

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    12. Re:Not so fast... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering how fast my cordless mouse goes through batteries *and* the sixty billion USB ports on my PC, these babies look sweet!

    13. Re:Not so fast... by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      I just bought 11000 MAH D cells for US$ 5.5, 2700 MAH AA for USD$ 1.25, and 1000 MAH AAA for USD $ .65. I do not think that these batteries are in the same ballpark. What would make more sense is a charger for regular batteries based off USB.

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    14. Re:Not so fast... by d.valued · · Score: 1

      Exactly.

      Of course, smaller capacity is directly because the battery itself is 2/3 the size of a normal AA to accomodate the USB charger.

      Then again, getting regular NiMH AA's and rigging up your own small USB based trickle charger isn't that hard...

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    15. Re:Not so fast... by Urza9814 · · Score: 0

      The set of chargable AAs I bought for about $15 from Radioshack about a year ago is around 1200mAh, charge in 8 hours, and will last a week or two in my digital camera (after which they'll last a week or two in a CD player, and then about a month in my wireless mouse, without recharging) Seems great to me. And who says you have to charge them the full 5 hours? Need a few hours use out of something? Find a library or something, plug 'em in and browse slashdot for a half hour :) And just remember...the actual batteries are about 3/4 the size of a normal AA, if not smaller. You can't expect them to have the same capacity.

    16. Re:Not so fast... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does one use a 12 volt cigarette lighter?

    17. Re:Not so fast... by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Yup. I've got an adapter that converts down to USB. Very handy indeed.

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    18. Re:Not so fast... by fm6 · · Score: 1

      So you want to buy a crippled device (you can't get that much power from a USB port) just so you can have a standard power connector? Yeah, that makes sense.

    19. Re:Not so fast... by Moofie · · Score: 1

      I get enough power to recharge my phone, and my iPod, and my wireless headset, and run a little desk light, and my PDA...

      crippled? Uh, OK. Seems to be working fine for me. Is it a perfect solution? Absolutely not. Beats the hell out of ten different wall warts to schlep around.

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    20. Re:Not so fast... by freeze128 · · Score: 1
      Either way, buying a battery with only 1300 mAH nowadays is like buying a midsized car with a 50 hp engine.
      You mean, like an electric car?
    21. Re:Not so fast... by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      But what if you could charge a laptop battery with it? With two of them you could charge the main battery and the spare and never run dry!

      I am working on a photovoltaic module that fits over the entire LCD on your laptop to recharge the batteries while the laptop is on, so it never needs recharging again. I am sure with a little venture capital, I can work the bugs out.

      Interested?

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    22. Re:Not so fast... by SuperJew · · Score: 1

      So,

      A laptop alternator?

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  3. "An anonymous reader writes..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And not affiliated with the product in any way.

    Thanks for another Slashvert.

    1. Re:"An anonymous reader writes..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is cool stuff that appeals to geeks. You could in some sense construe every article related to a product for sale as a "slashvert." That would leave slashdot with nothing but "Your rights online" articles pretty much and I doubt I would come here often if that was the case.

      Just because its not a big name product like the PS3 or WII, doesn't mean it doesn't have appeal to Geeks, and if this company makes some sales off being on the front page of slashdot, then so what?

  4. More like $22 each by hudsonhawk · · Score: 4, Funny

    The little "L" like symbol means pounds not dollars.

    It's what those crazy Brits use as money.

    1. Re:More like $22 each by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least pounds are worth something...

    2. Re:More like $22 each by mustafap · · Score: 1

      And you guys only use dollars because

      Micro$oft looks rubbish spelt as Micro£oft

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    3. Re:More like $22 each by gutnor · · Score: 5, Funny

      Micro£oft

      that pretty much summarise my renting experience in London.

    4. Re:More like $22 each by greenegg77 · · Score: 1
      Oh. I thought they used Monopoly money...

      JUST KIDDING!

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    5. Re:More like $22 each by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Micro$oft looks rubbish spelt as Micro£oft

      Maybe so, but Microso£t isn't a bad alternative.

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    6. Re:More like $22 each by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Oh. I thought they used Monopoly money...

      No, that's Canada. ;)

    7. Re:More like $22 each by ozbird · · Score: 1

      Mirosoft?

    8. Re:More like $22 each by jrockway · · Score: 1

      What about "Microso£t"? I like that, actually.

      Micro$o£t

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    9. Re:More like $22 each by sendai2ci · · Score: 1

      M¥ro$o£t...

      Just to push the dead horse over the cliff...

    10. Re:More like $22 each by sendai2ci · · Score: 1

      ...and shoot it as it falls...

      M¥ro$ot

    11. Re:More like $22 each by sendai2ci · · Score: 1

      or /code can futz me over by getting rid of random Unicode chars.

    12. Re:More like $22 each by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Micro$oft looks rubbish spelt as Micro£oft

      Hence, the alternate spelling -- Micros£oth

    13. Re:More like $22 each by jb.hl.com · · Score: 1

      I tell you, carrying around those little L symbols does get to be a pain in the arse after a while. Can only fit so many in your wallet...

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    14. Re:More like $22 each by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MicroLoft.

      Loft = Attic

    15. Re:More like $22 each by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1
      M¥€Ro$o£T

      Alas, the Tugrik is not available in the standard character set, but a capital T is close (the tugrik has two cross bars). But the capital R is for South African Rand. And the Euro symbol has to be escaped for HTML (I think a sibling poster had this trouble).

      There don't appear to be any currencies which use symbols close enough to "o" or "M" though. "O" I can understand for it's similarity to "0" (who wants their currency to be "Zeros"?), but M? MONEY. Honestly. Someone invade somewhere and change the currency to "Monetary Units".

      Nice Table of Currency Symbols

    16. Re:More like $22 each by mustafap · · Score: 1

      Micros£oth

      That gets my vote for the best of the bunch :o)

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    17. Re:More like $22 each by idontgno · · Score: 1
      But if you had asked, it would have at least told you it was gonna futz you over.

      Preview button FTW.

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  5. That is by Data+Link+Layer · · Score: 1

    12 pounds, so much money.

    1. Re:That is by freakmn · · Score: 1

      I'd pay in pennies, as their weight/value ratio is high. By my calculations, assuming that a penny weighs 3.04 grams according to wikipedia, and 12 pounds = 5443.10844 grams according to google calculator, 12 pounds of pennies would be about 1790 pennies or about $17.90. Still more than I'd like to pay.

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    2. Re:That is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      12 pounds, so much money.

      Well, you could probably buy four stone of coal for that.

  6. These are $24 apice, not $16? by crazyjeremy · · Score: 1

    Whoops, I meant $24 apice, not 16. Man that's even worse.

    1. Re:These are $24 apice, not $16? by moro_666 · · Score: 1

      To continue the misery of numbers, i'm pretty sure that the USB port doesn't allow more than 500mA to be drained from it in any position, so a 2500mAh battery would charge 5 hours ... The real fast chargers today can do it in less than half an hour for 2000mAh+ batteries, "regular" fast chargers can do it in 1-2 hours ....

        So this usb chargeable battery offering is : more price, less value ..

        Btw. a schematics and parts to charge your "regular" NiMh batteries from the usb will cost you less than 24$, time for do-it-yourself ...

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    2. Re:These are $24 apice, not $16? by alienw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You are wrong. The usb port provides 500mA AT 5 VOLTS. If you convert that down to 1.5V with a buck converter, you could charge a 2500mAh battery in under 1.5 hours.

    3. Re:These are $24 apice, not $16? by rogabean · · Score: 1

      And decent chargers can do it in 10 minutes. I have a Rayovac charger I got on sale with 2 batteries for $25.00 that charges both batteries in ~10 minutes. Granted I am restricted to using the special AA batteries they make for it at around ~10.00 for a 2 pack, but charging in 10 minutes is more then worth it.

      Hell I've charged non rechargable batteries in the charger and those charged up *ok*.

      I just don't see any reason to use up 2 USB ports while draining my laptop's battery even faster then it's already discharging.

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    4. Re:These are $24 apice, not $16? by rts008 · · Score: 1

      "I just don't see any reason to use up 2 USB ports while draining my laptop's battery even faster then it's already discharging."

      You're missing the point- plug in all yer USB batteries to yer Dell, and start a cahin reaction to destroy teh world!!

      All joking aside, I don't see these as anything other than Another Useless USB Toy (tm) for all the clueless USB Toy Fanboi crowd.

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    5. Re:These are $24 apice, not $16? by Smidge204 · · Score: 1

      FTA: "£12.99 for two"

      £12.99 GBP = US$24.55

      So they're US$12.28 each. Still like 8 times the price of normal NiMH batteries (4 for ~$6 = $1.50 ea.), but a bit better.
      =Smidge=

  7. Re:$12? Where is this from? by blitz77 · · Score: 4, Informative

    erm, it said 12.99pounds for TWO-which then is similar to 12 dollars each.

  8. Not really new... by Rorschach1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I used to have 'D' cells that'd plug in to a wall outlet, too. Trouble is, a large portion of the volume is devoted to the connector and charging circuit. But if 50% capacity is enough, I suppose they'll work.

  9. not as useful as first thought by Frag-A-Muffin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I thought this might be useful, then I looked at some of my toys that take AA. My old Canon A70 takes 4AA. I use NiMH. I have a charger that can charge 4 batteries at a time. Ummm ... I don't think I even HAVE 4 USB ports :) and even if I did, I don't think they'd all fit. (Because you know how they like to cram a bunch of USB ports together and if you plug in something larger than a regular cable, the slot next to it is wasted)

    So really, it's only useful for say, an MP3 player that takes a single AA battery. But then again, my brother's little samsung mp3 player has a built-in Li Ion battery and a USB plug built in that can flip up. And it's hardly bigger than a AA battery.

    Hmmm .. I'm back to "I can't think of anything useful for it" :)

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    1. Re:not as useful as first thought by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      It does look like a gimmick, but charging things from a USB port is not new. I have a USB 'phone charger which is great when I travel. It means I just need one power adaptor for my laptop and none for my 'phone (and since my laptop is a PowerBook, I don't even need an adaptor, I just take the US or EU plug with me).

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    2. Re:not as useful as first thought by Frag-A-Muffin · · Score: 1


      It does look like a gimmick, but charging things from a USB port is not new. I have a USB 'phone charger which is great when I travel. It means I just need one power adaptor for my laptop and none for my 'phone (and since my laptop is a PowerBook, I don't even need an adaptor, I just take the US or EU plug with me).

      You're right. So do I . My treo 600 charges nicely from USB. However, I just don't see the use of charging AA batteries. There are so many better (and cheaper) ways to get AA power.

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    3. Re:not as useful as first thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean you've never been away from home with your laptop and had the AA battery in your vibrator go dead?

  10. Re:$12? Where is this from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article mentions that they are £12.99 which is a lot more then $12.

    costing just £12.99 for two AA USBCELL

  11. Combine this with 15min quick charge by ylikone · · Score: 1

    I have a 15 minute quick charger (by Rayovac) and I would hate to go back to having to actually wait hours for my batteries to charge. This is a cool idea, but lets try and speed it up and then I'll be interested.

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    1. Re:Combine this with 15min quick charge by pla · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have a 15 minute quick charger (by Rayovac) and I would hate to go back to having to actually wait hours for my batteries to charge. This is a cool idea, but lets try and speed it up and then I'll be interested.

      For the longevity of your batteries (ie, the reason you pay about 4x as much for rechargeables in the first place), you really should use an intelligent trickle-charger (around C/10) with an automatic pre-charging discharge. I seriously suspect the battery manufacturers (such as Rayovac) came up with the idea of a 15-minute charge just to drastically shorten the life of your rechargeables. It has to seriously hurt their profitability that we can now use a single set of batteries that will last for five to ten years if properly maintained.

      It amazes some of my friends (who, like you, use a 4C flash charger) that I have 5 year old NiMH batteries that, after several hundred charge cycles, not only still work, but still hold over 90% of their stated capacity. Well, now you know the secret. Stop abusing your batteries, and just let them charge overnight.

      Keep the flash charger in the car for emergencies, but unless you absolutely need a battery now, don't use it.

    2. Re:Combine this with 15min quick charge by TubeSteak · · Score: 1
      I seriously suspect the battery manufacturers (such as Rayovac) came up with the idea of a 15-minute charge just to drastically shorten the life of your rechargeables.


      I don't recall which chemistry it is (NiMH or NiCAD), but IIRC, charging them fast is a good idea.

      Something about fast charges minimizing dendrite formation
      (you know, the misplaced stuff that causes internal shorts in your batteries)

      I could be wrong. I saw it in an article I found through Google while I was looking up something for a recent /. thread.

      All that said, I can't imagine a 15 minute charge being a good idea, even if I am right. If for no other reason than it'll generate excessive heat.
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    3. Re:Combine this with 15min quick charge by pla · · Score: 1

      I don't recall which chemistry it is (NiMH or NiCAD), but IIRC, charging them fast is a good idea.

      I hadn't heard of that for either NiMH or NiCADs, but it does limit the lifetime of Li-ion batteries.

      However, those don't like rapid charging, either, as it GREATLY accelerates electrolyte breakdown... So you have a lose/lose situation there.

    4. Re:Combine this with 15min quick charge by Nintendork · · Score: 1

      I thought NiMH likes the fast charging? Check out this wikipedia article.

    5. Re:Combine this with 15min quick charge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree. I've been recharging a set of 8 NiMh batteries once or twice a week for the last year, using an Energizer 15 minute charger, and I haven't noticed any loss in capacity. If I had to use an archaic 15 hour charger, then I would have bought twice as many rechargeable batteries, in order to tide me over the times when one set of batteries were recharging. So using a 15 minute charger halves the number of batteries that I need.

    6. Re:Combine this with 15min quick charge by Powercntrl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For the longevity of your batteries (ie, the reason you pay about 4x as much for rechargeables in the first place), you really should use an intelligent trickle-charger (around C/10) with an automatic pre-charging discharge.

      You're overlooking the fact that if the batteries survive those 4 cycles, you've broken even and everything after that is gravy. I've got one of the Ray-O-Vac 15 minute chargers as well. The batteries have paid for themselves and then some, with no signs of slowing down. And when they do crap out, another four pack is about $15 retail - roughly the same price as a four pack of Energizer's single-use lithium AA cells.

      Let's face it, a 15 minute charger can bring a set of batteries back from the dead in less time than it takes to drive to the store and buy new single-use batteries. Telling anyone they should avoid this technology because it *may* reduce the cell's lifetime is being penny wise, pound foolish.

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    7. Re:Combine this with 15min quick charge by JazzCrazed · · Score: 1

      The difference with Rayovac's "I-C3" technology is that it pairs "intelligent" chargers with "intelligent" batteries, meaning that the chargers monitor batteries' status for optimal charging, and the batteries also contain monitoring circuitry themselves and provide information to the charger to prevent the charge at any given moment from exceeding the tolerances of the batteries. Hence why they can charge so efficiently.

      I love my Rayovac batteries. They do get hot (the chargers, when fast-charging I-C3 batteries, have cooling fans; they don't turn on with normal NiMH batteries which are charged at a slower rate), but it's not beyond what the batteries can take. They've been serving me well for a few years now, in cameras, portable audio equipment, remote controls, and various other things for which I need batteries quickly.

      Here's a bit more on the I-C3s.

    8. Re:Combine this with 15min quick charge by pla · · Score: 1

      I thought NiMH likes the fast charging? Check out this wikipedia article.

      From your link (bolding for emphasis mine): "When fast-charging, it is advisable to charge the NiMH batteries with a smart battery charger to avoid overcharging, which can damage batteries and cause dangerous conditions. Modern NiMH batteries contain catalysts to immediately deal with gases developed as a result of over-charging without being harmed (2 H2 + O2 ---catalyst--> 2 H2O). However, this only works with over-charging currents of up to C/10 h (nominal capacity divided by 10 hours). As a result of this reaction, the batteries will heat up considerably, marking the end of the charging process. Some quick chargers have a fan to keep the batteries cool."

    9. Re:Combine this with 15min quick charge by pla · · Score: 1

      You're overlooking the fact that if the batteries survive those 4 cycles, you've broken even and everything after that is gravy.

      The more charge cycles you get, the lower your cost-per-battery drops. Yes, you break even at 4 charges... And at 8 charges, they've cost you half of a regular pack of AAs. And at somewhere around 120 charges, they've cost you less than a penny per battery per charge.

      Just becuase you've broken even compared to alkalines doesn't make it a good idea to knowingly kill them faster, it just means you haven't wasted money in switching to rechargeables.



      Telling anyone they should avoid this technology because it *may* reduce the cell's lifetime is being penny wise, pound foolish.

      Just giving some generally good advice on battery maintenance. As another poster pointed out, the Rayovac chargers coupled with special Rayovac batteries actually have sensors in the batteries themselves, so they may well not suffer any damage from the charging (then again, just because you can safely do it doesn't make doing so optimal for battery life - charging produces a lot of heat, and heat WILL eventually kill your batteries); but I've seen PLENTY of non-intelligent-battery chargers that claim to do 1C safely, which just does not hold true.

      If you NEED your batteries recharged in 15 minutes, I agree with you. If not, what harm do you see in letting them charge while you sleep?

    10. Re:Combine this with 15min quick charge by ylikone · · Score: 1

      Exactly, the rayovacs IC3 batteries are great! pla is just ignorant of the new technologies involved.

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    11. Re:Combine this with 15min quick charge by PaulRivers · · Score: 1

      I don't think this is the case. I don't recall the reference, but I've read that the ideal way to tell when a NiMH battery is fully charged is to measure it's internal temperature. This way you can pump it full of juice very quickly, but know exactly when to stop charging. I've read that traditional fast chargers slightly overcharge the NiMH battery because it's not until there's a voltage drop that they know to stop charging (which marginally degrades battery life, but not enough that you care) but temperature based charging is more ideal.

    12. Re:Combine this with 15min quick charge by Nintendork · · Score: 1

      So as long as you're using a smart charger, this is a non-issue.

  12. Dislexia? by Gadzinka · · Score: 0
    At $12 each I would hate to lose or break them on a regular basis.

    This is what dislexia is really all about: inability to read properly. It's not $12, it's 12.99GBP, which roughly stands for $25.

    For this money I can buy brand deltaV charger and 4xAA NiMH accus. Each one of them 2500mAh, or about twice the capacity of said USBCELL.

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    1. Re:Dislexia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moron, it's 13GBP for two which is 12 dollars for one.

      And it's Dyslexia, not Dislexia.

    2. Re:Dislexia? by kfg · · Score: 1

      And it's Dyslexia, not Dislexia.

      Unless you're Diselxce.

      KFG

    3. Re:Dislexia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      25 for two ... or roughly 12 each ;)

    4. Re:Dislexia? by Larry+Lightbulb · · Score: 1

      How about dyscalculia?

    5. Re:Dislexia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      This is what dislexia is really all about: inability to read properly.

      Actually, it's about not being able to spell dyslexia properly.

  13. These will fail by GWBasic · · Score: 1

    I predict these will fail. Today, electronics that one would typically use rechargable batteries come with custom batteries and are self charging. (For example, my MP3 player, camera, and phones use a custom battery and have the charger build into the unit.) Other electronics, like remotes, last so long on a single pair of batteries that using rechargables is pointless.

    Does anyone remember the rechargable ankalines that came out in the mid-90s? (I don't remember the brand name.) I used to use them in my CD player because they'd last for hours and were cheap. These don't last long, and cost too much money.

    1. Re:These will fail by laughingcoyote · · Score: 1

      I believe you're thinking of the Rayovac Renewal, which is now discontinued. It looks like there are still some rechargeable alkalines on the market though.

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    2. Re:These will fail by cmdr_beeftaco · · Score: 1

      The main reason these will fail is they aren't providing Linux drivers.

    3. Re:These will fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using Ni-MH/NiCD in place of alkalines in low current applications is not pointless, it's stupid. No other word for it. They will self-discharge well before running down. The same goes for using alkalines in high current applications. Alkalines cannot deliver high currents for extended peiods of time. IIRC, alkalines have a capacity somewhere around 3000mAH, but ONLY if the current is low. Rechargables have a lower capacity, but make more use of it in high current scenarios.

    4. Re:These will fail by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

      What BS! Everyone seems to view products in such a narrow way these days. The question isn't "will they succeed or fail?" but "what is the niche for which this product has a use?". I've no doubt that thousands of people have already bought these batteries because they have a good use for them and they'll be using them happily for a couple of years. Pointing out that there are some people for whom these batteries are useless really is dumb. How the hell do you know what everyone else wants to do with batteries? If the com pany that sells this product can make a profit from them, for some time, then its a success, regardless of whether or not they sweep the world.

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    5. Re:These will fail by GWBasic · · Score: 1

      Good point! I've been saying the same thing about BluRay and HD-DVD.

    6. Re:These will fail by Dantu · · Score: 1

      Does anyone remember the rechargable ankalines that came out in the mid-90s?

      Well I do have a box of recharable "Pure Energy" AAA batteries. They are maby 1/2 the price of NiMH.. sure they only get 50-100 charges, but they are great for things like my MP3 player, where the NiMH would sit so long it would self-discharge substantially.

  14. In-car rechargers by davidwr · · Score: 1

    With car-based USB-for-power-only ports, this can be a convenient way to recharge your batteries.

    Now if only I could plug my Remington into my laptop for a quick charge....

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    1. Re:In-car rechargers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Now if only I could plug my Remington into my laptop for a quick charge....

      Typewriter or shaver?

      If you're in the house plug it into AC. If you're in your car, use the car cord. If you're really confused, plug this http://www.skycraftsurplus.com/index.asp?PageActio n=VIEWPROD&ProdID=460 (also at RS, but I can't find it on the site) into AC, then plug the car cord into that.

      Or plug this http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?produc tId=2365254&cp=2032056&pg=3&f=Taxonomy%2FRSK%2F203 2056&categoryId=2032056&kw=car&kwCatId=2032056&num ProdsPerPage=20&parentPage=search (12V to 120V car inverter, in case the link sux) into the lighter socket and plug the AC cord into that.

      The preceding solutions are stackable if you have a lot of free time that would otherwise be channeled into evil acts.

  15. lost charger by flynt · · Score: 1

    Tired of searching for the charger for your rechargeable batteries?

    Even with this, VA employees will still be looking for the battery charger.

  16. Um.... why? by Kenja · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In most cases, if you have USB power you have an outlet. In rare cases where your out in the middle of no where with nothing but a notebook and a GPS unit running on AA batteries, and you need to keep the GPS charged so you can make it out there before dark, I guess these would be of use. Cant realy think of any other time.

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    1. Re:Um.... why? by MartinB · · Score: 1
      if you have USB power you have an outlet. In rare cases where your out in the middle of no where with nothing but a notebook and a GPS unit running on AA batteries, and you need to keep the GPS charged so you can make it out there before dark, I guess these would be of use.
      A surprisingly high number of recent GPS receivers charge via USB (and have a car power outlet->USB converter). My Globalsat BT-339 certainly does (and does 11 hours of operation from a full charge).
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  17. The answer to a question nobody asked by rpax9000 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Hmm.. $20 for a way to drain my laptop faster? If I have power to waste, I'm usually close enough to an outlet to use a cheaper rechargeable battery... has there been a clamor for USB powered power devices that I wasn't aware of? Short of recharging my iPod, most of my USB needs are computer peripherals. I think you can file this with the Java enabled toaster.

    Time to get my USB powered electric pencil sharpener patented and on the market

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    1. Re:The answer to a question nobody asked by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A USB 'phone charger is great for travelling abroad. I plug my laptop in in a hotel, and I can charge my 'phone and iPod from it without having to carry a load of mains adaptors around. I would probably fall right into the middle of the target market for these devices, and even I can't see a use for them. Who buys equipment which takes AA batteries these days? I can't remember the last thing I bought that didn't have a custom Lithium Ion or Lithium Polymer battery.

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    2. Re:The answer to a question nobody asked by rpax9000 · · Score: 1

      Excellent point about international travel. So maybe there is a market. Most of my travel is domestic, so I'm spoiled by my lack of having to own adapters.

      Looking around the house, I have two devices that run on AA... my Xbox controller, a TV remote. Oh, and maybe the carbon monoxide detector. It's a bad sign that I can't remember the last time I changed the batteries.

      I used to have an old analog cell phonce (c. 1993 or so) that would run on a rechargeable NiCad battery OR 4 AA batteries. That was nice... since the talk time on that damn thing was so short. I always had some AA batteries in my travel bag and I could get another few hours of standby or an hour of talk time from them. Nice when travelling, and even at the time it seemed amusing to talk on a cellphone that ran on AA batteries. I also rewired an old Atari 2600 to run on 9V batteries (you could play Yars Revenge for like 2 hours before the batteries drained!).

      It's funny to think that my Razr is thinner than a AA battery and probably has more memory than the home computer I was using at the time...

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    3. Re:The answer to a question nobody asked by Doppler00 · · Score: 1

      This is the point of this product, not having to carry around a bunch of extra chargers and adapters. I love that USB is becoming a defacto low voltage standard. My cellphone and bluetooth headset both charge from USB ports, even with my computer off because I have a powered hub.

      Maybe someday when we all have solar panels on our house, we'll have USB power outlets right next to our 120V ones.

      (I really hated the days of 100+ different power adapters with different voltage/current/connectors)

  18. Re:Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    grrrrrrr what a fucktard.
    If you saw it this morning, why didn't you submit it then?

  19. Engrish plz by Ice+Wewe · · Score: 0
    "...This is such a cool idea, that I cant believe that no one has done it before."

    I can think of another 'cool' idea. How about learning the proper use of the Engrish language?

    1. Re:Engrish plz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can think of another 'cool' idea. How about learning the proper use of the Engrish language?

      Your period should be a colon.

    2. Re:Engrish plz by greenegg77 · · Score: 1

      Hey, he was using Web Cant, which is related to Thieves Cant.

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    3. Re:Engrish plz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I can think of another 'cool' idea.


      You misspelled "have a tiny penis."
    4. Re:Engrish plz by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Well Done.
      I wish I had Mod points.

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    5. Re:Engrish plz by Ice+Wewe · · Score: 1

      You haven't noticed yet, but your head is up your ass.

    6. Re:Engrish plz by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Here's a 'cool' idea. Stop being such a pendantic prick.

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  20. Strange name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who ever designed this wasnt a hematopathologist. USB-CELL sounds like an obscure WHO leukemia/lymphoma classification.

  21. Mouse already does it by edwardpickman · · Score: 1

    I have an aftermarket mouse for my Mac that already charges AA sized batteries for the wireless mouse. Works great and I always have spares. They tend to just last for a week in the mouse but I think that's more of a a lack of real power management. I couldn't care less since it's already outlasted virtually all my wireless PC mice. My average on PC wireless mice is 30 days and I've had several die after a week. I've tried every name brand for wireless PC mice and they all seem like crap. I went back to hardwired optical mice on my PCs but my Mac is still going strong. Wish the company made PC mice.

    1. Re:Mouse already does it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, behold ADB to USB adapters. They exist, and they work.
      I sincerely doubt the drivers would be a problem, as I beleive the adapters show up as HIDs.
      If it's already usb or bluetooth I STRONGLY doubt it wouldn't work on windows.

  22. Enough for now... by PalmKiller · · Score: 1

    OK, no more about batteries unless its something like new AA cell is rated at 1200may. (note thats years, not hours).

    1. Re:Enough for now... by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      OK, no more about batteries unless its something like new AA cell is rated at 1200may. (note thats years, not hours).

      With your lack of capitalization for the units, I have to ask: do you mean milli-amp years or mega-amp years?

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  23. Useless junk. by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let's see - 5 hours to charge so you either leave a laptop on and run it's battery dead - wait - that little 3 prong hole in the wall - AC power - I can plug my laptop in there save its battery or I can plug in a real battery charger and fast charge my much cheaper, higher capacity AA/AAA's.

    A battery charger is small, small, lightweight and can be has with dual voltage. Mine is 6 years old and weighs a few ounces - including cord and EU adapter.

    If you really don't want to carry a charger you can buy a dozen high capacity rechargable AA's at the price of these - and simply carry them with you. (If you really would use that many you probably would carry a charger anyway).

    This is an expensive answer to a question no one is asking.

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    1. Re:Useless junk. by Khyber · · Score: 1

      5 hours? Hardly. USB puts out 5volts at 500mah. Step that down and do the math. 1.5 volts at around roughly 1500+mah? Hour maybe max charging time for the weaker models.

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    2. Re:Useless junk. by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      5 hours? Hardly. USB puts out 5volts at 500mah. Step that down and do the math. 1.5 volts at around roughly 1500+mah? Hour maybe max charging time for the weaker model

      According to the article and the manufacturers specs, it takes 5 hours to fully charge a flat cell; that's not an unrealistic number given a regular charger that puts out .5 maH can take 4 plus hours to charge a cell.

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  24. Umm some problems...and why this is stupid by grapeape · · Score: 1

    Most computer have the usbports stacked so they would only be able to charge one at a time.

    If you have access to the power brick you have access to an outlet so why not charge them from one.

    Charging from the laptop while on battery power would surely drain things probably quicker than the battery could fully charge up.

    You can buy around a dozen or more regular rechargables for the price of one of these so whats the point. This is definately one of those "because we can" products like usb mitten warmers and coffee warmers.

    1. Re:Umm some problems...and why this is stupid by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      If you have access to the power brick you have access to an outlet so why not charge them from one.

      Depends how many power bricks for each device an international traveller wants to carry (and whether or not they'll get confiscated at the airport).

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  25. it has been done before by micromuncher · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I look at my Sony Walkman Bean (now defunct, sure); it plugs into the USB port and recharges itself. Built in rechargeable battery.

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    1. Re:it has been done before by dopaz · · Score: 1

      kind of like all the different flavors of ipod?

    2. Re:it has been done before by PalmKiller · · Score: 1

      My usb cable for my phone will charge the phone battery while I hack it...I never knew how much on the edge my cheesy little samsung phone is.

    3. Re:it has been done before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You said 'Sony' and 'Battery' in the same sentance. Do you even read all the stories about Sony batteries? Dude, you're just asking for an exploding Bean.

      It'll give new meaning to there being a fire in your pants.

  26. A bit risky by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Unless the electronics are really well engineered (aka foolproof design) then a failure could result in a damaged motherboard, especially considering the amount of current these things are capable of drawing. Surface mount fuses aren't much fun to replace, especially in laptops. I'd wait a while to see if any horror stories surface before plugging that thing into my machines.

    On a related note, the Motorola Razr cell phone's power connector is mini-USB, so it can charge off of your USB port as well.

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    1. Re:A bit risky by implex · · Score: 1

      Interestingly enough the Razr phone has a charging issue from a computer. It is pretty nifty but never let the phone run right down. The phone needs enough power to identify itself via USB connector from the computer in order for the cmputer to then supply charging voltage. The wall plug supplies power automatically via mini usb. But when plugged into a laptop unless the phone can identify itself the laptop never recognises something is plugged in at all. Oh and of course you need to install the phone charging driver as well under Windows.

      Now for the Quirk about the driver. If you have it plugged in and stop the computer at boot and go into the BIOS then the phone will charge just fine.

    2. Re:A bit risky by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Weird. When charging from Mac OS X (no driver required; iSync has it built-in) do you happen to know if the same problem applies? So far, I haven't let my RAZR run down all the way, but since I only charge it from my Mac, it would be good to know if I should keep the wall charger handy just in case.

    3. Re:A bit risky by n6mod · · Score: 1

      Yes, you'll have the same problem on a mac.

      I'm skeptical about the BIOS trick, actually...have to try that. In general, the phone won't charge from a normal USB supply unless it can enumerate. They must be doing something with the fifth pin to make the dumb chargers work, because it won't charge from a cigarette>USB adapter either.

      That connector is used on a lot of Mot stuff, I think I can find some additional info.

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    4. Re:A bit risky by swillden · · Score: 1

      Yes, you'll have the same problem on a mac.

      Works just fine with Linux, even when the phone is completely dead. Well, sufficiently dead that it just turns off again when you turn it on. Not sure how you'd get it to run down further than that.

      I noticed that the first couple of times I plugged it in, the phone displayed "unauthorized charging device" on the screen, but it soon stopped doing that and has always charged just fine.

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    5. Re:A bit risky by jafac · · Score: 1

      I guess I should try getting the data cable (which no verizon store I have been to actually stocks). For some reason, my RAZR won't sync via bluetooth. It gets about halfway, then just dies. No useful messages, even in the "verbose" mode error log.

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  27. Not all AAs are created equal by texaport · · Score: 2, Informative
    The first rechargeable AA batteries were properly 1.5V each. Then 1.25V became the norm and my devices requiring six volts from regular batteries are only getting five.

    In the last couple years they've dropped rechargeables to 1.2V which means normal batteries are delivering 25% more power if the amps stay the same. I don't want 'em.

    1. Re:Not all AAs are created equal by Wordplay · · Score: 3, Informative

      I suspect this has more to do with labelling than actual capacity. Rechargeables have been putting out a 1.2v for years now. They are around 1.25V just after charge, and it's possible they were claimed as such by some manufacturer or the other. I've never seen a 1.5V NiCad or NiMH.

      Anyway, alkalines are only 1.5V out of the box. When they're "dead", they're at around 0.6V, and it's a fairly linear decline over time. In fact, electronics made to run on alkalines are generally fine down to around 0.9V or so, since the decline is expected.

      NiMHs and NiCads are ~1.2V after a charge, and stay there until just before they die, when they nosedive. This is why cameras recommend non-alkaline batteries--the flash actually requires that the voltage is somewhere around the maximum; alkaline batteries drop voltage so quickly that the flash only works a relatively small number of times.

    2. Re:Not all AAs are created equal by Steve+Cowan · · Score: 1
      The first rechargeable AA batteries were properly 1.5V each.

      Um.... when was this? As far as I remember, rechargeable NiCDs, when they first appeared on the market, were always 1.2/1.25. Sorry - but I call bullshit.

      Then 1.25V became the norm and my devices requiring six volts from regular batteries are only getting five. In the last couple years they've dropped rechargeables to 1.2V which means normal batteries are delivering 25% more power if the amps stay the same. I don't want 'em.

      All rechargeable NiCD/NiMH batteries on the market are really the same voltage. 1.2 or 1.25 is just what gets printed on them. Inside they are the same chemical composition - nothing in there is somehow altering that voltage. That's why they all work in the same chargers.

      Try measuring your regular alkaline AA cells under load. They typically produce about 1.2 to 1.3 volts once they're about 20% into their lifespan.

      Almost every battery-powered device is designed to not crap out until your cells discharge to less than a volt each.

    3. Re:Not all AAs are created equal by LoudMusic · · Score: 1

      In the last couple years they've dropped rechargeables to 1.2V which means normal batteries are delivering 25% more power if the amps stay the same. I don't want 'em.

      Where I agree that it's rediculous that the voltage is different (breaking the standard?), there are places that rechargable AA batteries work well. A/V remotes, wireless computer devices like mouse / keyboard, and some childrens' toys. It's when you stack up six or more batteries that there is a problem. I've been using Energizer rechargable AA batteries for a while and if I can keep other people from throwing them away it's generally a good investment. I even use them in my Nikon N80 (with extended grip and AA converter attachment) and they work great, even 1.2 volts short.

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    4. Re:Not all AAs are created equal by armb · · Score: 1

      > Where I agree that it's rediculous that the voltage is different (breaking the standard?)

      Yeah, damn battery makers obeying the laws of physics, who do they think they are?

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  28. Re:$12? Where is this from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And that figure is including tax and shiping...

  29. Yes but you can't lose it by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    Imagine you are on travel. Your battery is discharged. Well it's pretty certain you know where your expensive computer is. And it's pretty certain you know where the battery is--it's the damn thing you need to charge. But where the heck did I misplace that charger. Oh damn, it's at home. Or it's at work or it's in the other computer's computer bag. Out of luck.

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    1. Re:Yes but you can't lose it by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      This is the reason that I only buy celphones, etc, that use mini-USB terminals. I can charge my RAZR and my Garmin GPS from my laptop, and don't have to try to pack those annoyingly bulky chargers. For me, when I'm traveling a lot, that's worth real money.

      Even so, I wouldn't get these batteries. But still, its a good theory.

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    2. Re:Yes but you can't lose it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      But where the heck did I misplace that charger. Oh damn, it's at home. Or it's at work or it's in the other computer's computer bag. Out of luck.

      As always, the six Ps of success apply here -- Proper Planning Prevents Piss-Poor Performance.

    3. Re:Yes but you can't lose it by Ctrl-Z · · Score: 1

      Oh, and it's so difficult to go to the corner store and buy a pack of AA alkalines. Please.

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    4. Re:Yes but you can't lose it by jamar0303 · · Score: 1

      I live in China- there are still zinc-carbon batteries being used here (I think, that's what I was told those cheap $.50 for 2 batteries were) that don't provide enough current to power modern devices for longer than half an hour. Also, sometimes those are the only batteries available if I'm in a more rural area, so I have to stock up on batteries in the city before I leave to go traveling.

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  30. rechargeable batteries suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they go bad very very often sometimes not lasting any longer than a regular alkaline, and then will not hold a charge again. Ive had better luck with Radio shack brand than energizer but still dont think Id buy them again.
    Even had dewalt 18 volt batteries go bad, and they cost 70$ apiece, at least dewalt guarantees them for two years though.

    1. Re:rechargeable batteries suck by speculatrix · · Score: 1

      I think the problem with modern NiMH or NiCd batteries is that to make them very high energy density they have to sacrifice the thickness of the internal structures, meaning there's a higher possibility of the anode or cathode warping and causing a short, or a chemical breakdown occurring.

    2. Re:rechargeable batteries suck by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 1

      I haven't had that experience with NiMH batteries. I find that NiCADs die pretty quickly, and for some reason they are the default battery for those Solar LED yard lights (I guess they are cheap).

      I own a couple dozen NiMH rechargable batteries from major vendors like Energizer, Rayovac, etc. They've all lasted a year or more, through dozens of recharges, used in my digital camera, kids toys, flashlights and TV remotes. I haven't lost a single battery in the last year.

      In the same timefeame, I've gone through 20+ Alkaline batteries-- most of which last for a month before going kaput. I've made the mistake of buying non-rechargable Alkaline batteries from IKEA (Cheap cobranded batteries-- I think they were from "Golden Power") & Costco (Cheap Energizer batteries)--- half of the batteries were DOA, and usually put out less then 1.0V. I think some of these packages were sitting in a warehouse for way too long.

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  31. Re: CmdrTaco by dch24 · · Score: 4, Funny

    No wireless. Less space than a Nomad.

    Lame.

  32. WTF is the point of this? by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

    Okay, unless I'm recharging these from my laptop battery (which is, I'd say, pretty dumb in most cases, but might have very limited utility somewhere), my charger is going to be close to my plugged-in computer, which is going to be close to a power strip with several outlets.

    Where I could just plug in a more conventional charger, instead of plugging it into my USB port of my computer. Its no harder to remember where that charger is than the one plugged into my USB port. Where is the benefit?

    1. Re:WTF is the point of this? by Stormx2 · · Score: 1

      I totally agree. My old MP3 player took a single AAA battery. Stick a couple in a charger overnight, no problem. Cost basicly nothing too. $24 is way over-the-top for an unnecessery product!

  33. Re:You can't charge laptop batteries via USB. by ncc74656 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Well sure, for AA it's pointless. But what if you could charge a laptop battery with it? With two of them you could charge the main battery and the spare and never run dry!

    Do you understand the power and current it takes to charge a laptop battery?

    That sound you hear is the joke whooshing over your head. The Simpsons quote should've been a major tipoff.

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  34. Y'know what would be more useful by AC-x · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A USB batter charger . This way you can use 2500mAh batteries rather then having half the capacity taken up by the usb port and charging circuit.

    1. Re:Y'know what would be more useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could save $20 and get the same thing from here.

  35. 1300 maH? by duplicate-nickname · · Score: 4, Informative

    I just replaced all of my regularly used rechargeable batteries with 2500maH sets and I will never go back to lower rated batteries again. On my vacation last week I shot over 400 photos and about 4 minutes of video on my Canon S1 IS and I only recharged the batteries once.

    You don't have to worry about charging on a USB port if your batteries don't die all of the time.

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    1. Re:1300 maH? by geggo98 · · Score: 1

      Even better, use "15 minutes" batteries. These 2100 mAh NiMH batteries can be charged in about 15 minutes due to a special charge control chip integrated in each cell --- they are charged with up to 15A. So when a cell finally dies, you can charge it very quickly; there are charges that come with both, an AC supply and a car adater.

      The "15 minutes" battries are even cheaper than these USB cells: about 5$ each vs. 12$ for an USB battery.

  36. Good Point by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 2, Funny

    So what Brittish companies can we ridicule with the £?

    Obviously ££oyds of £ondon
    Lets think... there's the £and Rover, although not really Brit owned now.
    Virgin Air£ines?
    Che£sea footba££ C£ub?
    anything that has Eng£and in its name
    How could anyone forget the Roya£ Fami£y?
    GlaxoSmithK£ine is Brittish based and thats a good one, a drug company we know they on£y care about money
    Uni£ever is also Brittish

    any other suggustions

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    1. Re:Good Point by Tim+Browse · · Score: 2, Funny

      any other suggustions

      Yes - cut to the song; the routine's not working.

    2. Re:Good Point by MartinB · · Score: 1
      Uni£ever is also Brittish [sic]
      Somewhat. Unilever is co-owned by a British company and a Dutch company that are separately listed, but happen to share the same board and operate as a single entity.
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    3. Re:Good Point by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I knew that. But I figured ha£f Brittish qua£ified the company for a £ame joke.

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    4. Re:Good Point by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      Ok... {cues the Ro££ing Stones}

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  37. Cool idea, but no thanks... by Chabil+Ha' · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's more geek factor here than real usability. Anyone had their charger melted to slag because of leaky batteries? Yeah, me too. Personally, I wouldn't mind too much if a $10 charger got toasted, but not my $1xxx laptop. I can garentee that they won't be held responsible should anything get toasted with your lappy...besides, there has been enough troubles with the official laptop battery blowing up without throwing something like this into the mix...

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  38. Bah. by raehl · · Score: 1

    If you had spent $6 on a real battery, with double the capacity of your 'nifty' USB battery, it wouldn't need to be recharged in the first place.

  39. Yep...and... by msauve · · Score: 4, Insightful

    in addition to having less capacity, and being very much more expensive, they recharge more slowly than regular rechargables do in a dedicated charger. If you're putting them into a USB port which is ultimately AC powered, well, why not just use a faster, cheaper, charger.

    And if someone plans on charging off a notebook running under battery power, do they really intend (or are they even able) to run the notebook for the 5 hours needed to recharge these?

    This makes no sense at all, and are certainly nothing to be "excited about." So much for "trusted reviews."

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    1. Re:Yep...and... by snarkh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Very simple -- if you are travelling, you can recharge them from your notebook when it is plugged in. You don't have to carry an extra charger with you.

    2. Re:Yep...and... by msauve · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can easily find rechargable AA cells with twice the capacity of what they offer, and if you're travelling, Sanyo and Maha both make fast rechargers that don't take up any more room than a pair of socks. I have a Sanyo NC-MQH01U, which I got from Costco, complete with 6 2500 mAH AA cells and 2 AA cells, for a bit over $20, less than the cost of two of those 1300 mAH USB batteries. And it will recharge those batteries in a bit over an hour (if charging two at a time), instead of 5.

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    3. Re:Yep...and... by snarkh · · Score: 1


      I carry a lot of crap when I travel. Laptop, laptop charger, spare laptop battery, cell phone, cell phone charger, camera, camera charger, MP3 player, you get the idea. Plugging all of that in a hotel room is a pain. I would gladly pay $10 extra for getting rid of some of that mess.

    4. Re:Yep...and... by timster · · Score: 1

      Maybe it doesn't make sense for organized people like yourself, but personally my problem with rechargables has always been figuring out where I left the charger, which has invariably moved by the time the batteries run dry. And by the time I locate the charger, I've forgotten where I put the discharged batteries.

      Integrating the cell and the charger in a single unit has some advantages.

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    5. Re:Yep...and... by Tripster · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      How about a cell phone that has MP3 support with a camera?

      Someone should patent that idea! :-)

    6. Re:Yep...and... by snarkh · · Score: 1


      Hm... I think I've seen something like that somewhere :)

      Unfortunately none of that stuff works properly... The camera is crap the MP3/cell player is inconvenient and they give you hard time on a plane if it's also a cell phone, etc.

    7. Re:Yep...and... by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      would gladly pay $10 extra for getting rid of some of that mess.

      A compact battery charger costs less and doubles as a case to keep a spare set of batteries in. You don't need to power up and leave your laptop on all night just to charge your flashlight batteries either.

    8. Re:Yep...and... by thegnu · · Score: 1

      my problem with rechargables has always been figuring out where I left the charger, which has invariably moved by the time the batteries run dry.

      Not trying to invalidate your point, but you could try mounting tape. Or nails. Or duct tape. Sticky things are boon to the scattered.

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    9. Re:Yep...and... by DoctorVic · · Score: 1

      Whaaaa! Quit your bitching. You can think of a limitation for any product. If you cannot see the advantages, then do not buy it! I, for one, can think of several uses for these bad boys. My only complaint is that they are not available in the US yet.

    10. Re:Yep...and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine this far fetched scenerio - You are out somewhere/anywhere with your (Insert Battery Powered Device Name Here (X)), be it a trip, a meeting or other scenerio where you may not have all of your shit with you. Your (X) dies!!! What to do? Go buy more bateries? Hell no!! Plug that shit into your USB port and you are ready to rock! Get a clue. (Ever get the feeling that people post shit just to post it? Me to.)

    11. Re:Yep...and... by pAnkRat · · Score: 2, Informative

      Take a look at the Palm Treo 600/650/700p series.
      It's a triband cellphone, palm OS5, blue-tooth enabled, MMC/SD card, all in one thingie.
      With pocket-tunes it an MP3 player (mp3, ogg, flac), with TCMPMP you can watch the simpsond on a plane,
      heck you can even use it as an GPS navigation system over bluetooth.
      Runs VNC and SSH too if you want.

      It can do just about anything you can throw at it.

      But, the build in camera is real crap though, don't even think about making a decent picture with it.

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    12. Re:Yep...and... by jamar0303 · · Score: 1
      1- look at Samsung/LG. 5MP camera in a cellphone. Crap? I think not.

      2- MP3 player on my phone works great(Toshiba V904T)- playlists, equalizer, virtual surround, miniSD expansion, don't need more than that.

      3- I can fold back the screen on my phone, then it doesn't look like a cell phone at a passing glance. Even if they find out, most of the flights I've been on have flight attendants that understand what offline mode is on a cell phone (of course, I'm probably lucky).

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    13. Re:Yep...and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You are out somewhere/anywhere with your (Insert Battery Powered Device Name Here (X)),

      I prefer mine to be natural, food-powered

      be it a trip, a meeting or other scenerio

      ... where you may not have all of your shit with you.

      At least that way, your "X"'s appendage stays clean ;-)

    14. Re:Yep...and... by emlyncorrin · · Score: 2, Informative
      look at Samsung/LG. 5MP camera in a cellphone. Crap? I think not.
      Just because it has 5MP, doesn't mean that the optics are any good.
    15. Re:Yep...and... by jamar0303 · · Score: 1

      Well- even with only 2MP I can print perfectly clear 4x6 prints, and with 3.2MP I can print a little bigger. That's my requirement- if it doesn't print good 4x6 photos, it isn't a good camera. Past that, I don't worry, so I have one cellphone that does all 3 instead of carrying a cell phone, camera, MP3 player, MP4 viewer, DS, etc which is a lot better when I'm going to a rural region and I can't bring a whole lot.

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    16. Re:Yep...and... by famebait · · Score: 1

      The SE walkman phones have a pretty good player, and can run as player only with the phone off (*for plane use). The camera is still way behind dedicated ones, though.

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    17. Re:Yep...and... by timster · · Score: 1

      Got a laugh out of that... I can imagine in how. "Oh, man, where did I put my nails? I've got the hammer here, but I can't find the nails! If I don't nail these batteries to the wall right away, I'll lose them for months!"

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    18. Re:Yep...and... by LordVader717 · · Score: 1

      If your camara, cell phone and mp3 player all have seperate chargers, why do you need AA battaries anyway?

    19. Re:Yep...and... by snarkh · · Score: 1


      Actually I don't. I need an AAA battery for my headphones though. If it were USB rechargeable,
      that would be convenient.

    20. Re:Yep...and... by LordVader717 · · Score: 1

      too bad the USB connection is too big for an AAA battery.

  40. Nope, still not of any use... by raehl · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Hey look, this battery dies twice as fast, but if it's dead, you can recharge it on USB!"
    "Uh, yeah, couldn't I just have used a regular battery that wouldn't be dead yet?"

    You can have:

    - an expensive, dead, 1300 mAh USB battery that you need to recharge on your laptop (good luck on your laptop battery not going dead first!)

    - a cheap, half-full 2500 mAh regular rechargable battery that you don't need to recharge at all.

    1. Re:Nope, still not of any use... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, if you're out in the middle of nowhere you should probably have thought to have brought a couple of spare (good quality/condition) batteries!

    2. Re:Nope, still not of any use... by Kris_J · · Score: 1
      If you specifically craft a situation where the alternative won't run out and these batteries will, of course they're less than useful. However, if it's totally unavoidable that you're going to need to recharge batteries many times before getting back to your main base, half your arguement disappears.

      Frankly, these batteries look seriously handy if you're travelling and you know you're going to have regular access to devices with a USB port -- which doesn't have to be a PC or laptop, how about a PS2? I would certainly want a pair of these if I was travelling with my cheap little Kodak C310 happy-snap digital camera and I was expecting to stay with or visit friends where I could toss them into something to recharge. Surely it's highly desirable to travel with as little as possible at the moment.

    3. Re:Nope, still not of any use... by MrNaz · · Score: 1

      Nope. Get normal 2500NiMH batteries and one of these:

      http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtool s/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2145307&Sku=T105-5380

      P.S., I doubt you'd get much usable life out of your Kodak on these USB battery trinkets. It's not just current capacity, but current delivery capacity over the discharge cycle, and I highly doubt a high drain device would be able to pull jiuce out of this fast enough to go anywhere near using up the battery capacity.

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    4. Re:Nope, still not of any use... by Kris_J · · Score: 1

      Portable as that product might be (and I have something similar), it's still an extra thing I would rather not carry were I travelling.

      P.S. Have you seen a Kodak C310? It's a toy. It weighs bugger all and you could power it for half an hour just by rubbing it vigourously on a convenient cat. No, these little trinkets are just the thing to compliment it.

    5. Re:Nope, still not of any use... by raehl · · Score: 1

      However, if it's totally unavoidable that you're going to need to recharge batteries many times before getting back to your main base, half your arguement disappears.

      No it doesn't. It's not possible to recharge the batteries many times before going back to the main base. It's not even possible to recharge them once - it takes 5 hours, and a laptop battery only lasts about 2 hours. Sure, you could carry more laptop batteries, but you could ALSO just carry more basic, non-USB rechargeable batteries. That'll get you a lot more power for the weight than the USB battery solution.

      There is NO situation in which one of these USB batteries is better than a regular 2500mAh rechargable battery. Period.

    6. Re:Nope, still not of any use... by Kris_J · · Score: 1
      There is NO situation in which one of these USB batteries is better than a regular 2500mAh rechargable battery. Period.
      That statement is obviously false. Not to mention more than a little ignorant.
    7. Re:Nope, still not of any use... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      There is NO situation in which one of these USB batteries is better than a regular 2500mAh rechargable battery. Period.
      They would be useful where you are traveling and have power, but need to keep your total weight down. This happens lots.
  41. $24 by bendodge · · Score: 0

    What?!? $24 is ridiculous. A standard NiMH battery uses about 10mA at 1.41V during an overnight charge; surely a USB cable can provide that to charge stander NiMH batteries. And overnight charging does not require an end-of-charge sensor, so this is way to expensive.

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  42. rechargeable batteries rock by ArmorFiend · · Score: 1

    I own about 16 Rayovac rechargable AAs. I've never had one go bad on me. At this point I'm sort of hoping they do, because their 1600mAh is starting to look a little anemic compared to the new crop of 2500mAh'ers.

    I use them in my 4AA bike lights, and in my digital camera. They've saved me hundreds of dollars.

    Rayovac is a rockin' brand. They don't advertise, period. So they cost less than Duh-a-Cell or Enervizer, and in my experience they perform very well indeed.

    NiCad rechargables sucked. Those haven't been around for decades though.

  43. Then why not sign-off with a ./ ID? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If you're going to post product promotions and endorsements at least have the 'nads (and honesty) to divulge your vested interest in the product.

  44. Great for long flights by Eadwacer · · Score: 1

    Just think, you can get on the plane, plug the batteries into your laptop while you're working, and by the time you get from London to NY, your iPod is all charged up!

  45. It's about the chemistry by backwardMechanic · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's all about the chemistry, not some kind of voltage deflation. Zinc cells give 1.5V (alklines, etc). NiCd and NiMH gives 1.2V. Lead acid gives 2 and a bit V. You can't make a NiCd battery at 3V. A battery is a stack of cells, so it can only provide an integer multiple of the cell voltage (2.4 or 3.6V is as close as you'll get with NiCd).

  46. Mighty Mouse! by Steve+Cowan · · Score: 1

    Lots of people here seem to hate these batteries, but I think these would be just perfect for the Wireless Mighty Mouse. My Mac Pro arrives tomorrow, and I could easily imagine keeping one of these stuck into a front USB port.

  47. Stop fixating on the mAh's!! by shanec · · Score: 1

    At least stop fixating on mAh's if you're doing anything that requires a fast discharge (i.e.:fast action photography work that requires a flash).

    My main beef with how batteries (rechargeable, or disposable) are rated these days, has to do with the fact that most of them don't disclose the internal resistance of the battery. The AA battery could have 4000 mAh, but if it's resistance is so slow that my flash takes 15-20 seconds to recharge, it's useless. I'll gladly take a 1000 mAh battery that recharges my flash in 5 seconds, even if I have to change batteries three times in a shoot.

    As for everyone that's going to try to say "well if you bought a better camera," well let me shoot a few holes in that theory. First off, I'm a professional photographer that does a majority of my work out of the studio. Often I'm at public events that require lots of pictures, in short bursts. In low light condition I rely on my hot-shoe flash to handle the lighting. My options in this setup are either walk around with a brick (large battery designed specifically to power camera equipment) around my neck, or use AA batteries. Consequently I go buy the Energizer lithium eight pack of AA batteries or two pack of CRV3's for about $20.

    If I could get some guaranteed good, low resistance, rechargeable batteries, I would buy them in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, the technical specs on most batteries just aren't available, because everyone fixates on "how much power they hold."

    1. Re:Stop fixating on the mAh's!! by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1
      This surprises me. I have a Canon Speedlite 430EX on my camera, and it can keep up with the Continuous Drive mode on my 5D (3.2fps, IIRC), at full intensity, off four 2600mAH NiMH batteries. In fact, the only caveat is listed in the manual as "after firing a continuous burst of more than 10 shots, wait for a few minutes to allow the flash element to cool down so it doesn't overheat".

      My knowledge on this may be faulty though, but that's the experience I've had.

      Overall, though, is quite nice, I've never flattened the batteries on the flash, and that's with 300+ shots over an hour. Couple two sets of batteries for it, and a battery grip with two BP-514 (Li Ion, 7.2V, 1390mAh), and I don't need to worry about power all day (I've heard anecdotal evidence that people have got 2,500 shots out of that battery pack).

    2. Re:Stop fixating on the mAh's!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to try a store for serious radio controlled stuff. The electric RC-cars, planes and helicopters moved to NIMH some years ago. Usually the cells they sell have more specs than you'd like to read.

  48. how about a Hub and extension cable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how about a Hub and extension cable?

    1. Re:how about a Hub and extension cable? by Takumi2501 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or, *gasp* a regular battery charger. It's cheaper.

      This sounds like a cool invention, but I have to say that it does kinda seem like technology for technology's sake.

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    2. Re:how about a Hub and extension cable? by rblancarte · · Score: 1

      This is what I was going to say. I mean, looking at these batteries, they do seem like a big waste of money, especially compared against a regular charger and a regular set of batteries.

      I bought http://www.steves-digicams.com/nimh_batteries.html #lacrossethis charger from Lacross Technologies. It works great. For $50 I got 8 batteries (4 AA and 4 AAA). I have since bought many more, which i always have a great supply of.

      IMHO, the USBattery seems like a decent idea, but one that will a. have to come down in price and b. increase in capacity to really get in the market.

      RonB

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  49. What if they integrated storage too? by mr_zorg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now, throw in a couple-o-dozen megs of flash built in and you might actually have something. I could store the device drivers for my peripherals in the very same batteries that run them. No more hunting for driver discs. Oh, that and increase the mAh capacity.

  50. Charging your gadgets directly via the USB by Thomas+Henden · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I really wonder why charging of ALL sorts of gadgets which run on one lithium-ion cell isn't automatically done when you anyway connect that thing to the PC to transfer data?
    The USB port has 5V and one lithium-ion cell has a maximum of 4.15 volts, (So there's enough voltage difference to properly charge the lithium cell).

    A few gadgets already does get charged when they anyway are connected to the PC, why not ALL of them?

    I would be happy to save the cost for the regular charger, and find it very practical to plug it into my PC to have it charged, and for those few who doesn't have a PC, or for whom it would not be practical to charge via the PC, a regular charger or a solar charger with a "USB"-plug, would be an obvious accessory.

    (I really wonder how much extra money I have paid for all those chargers sitting around unused, from gadgets that broke or went out of use. Worst of all, all these chargers are still in working condition!)

    Then we would also have gotten the bonus of a 5V charger plug being standarized, so that any one lithium cell-gadget can use any 5V charger, including any USB port, ending the trouble with the pileup of orphaned chargers.

    Also, the regular plug-in of your whatever type of data collecting and/or processing gadget into your PC to get it charged, probably will be god for your (at the moment non-existing?) habits of taking backups of it before you loose it or break it - that is, if you also take regular backups of your hard drive...



    End Of Utopic Dream

    1. Re:Charging your gadgets directly via the USB by Kris_J · · Score: 1
      I really wonder why charging of ALL sorts of gadgets which run on one lithium-ion cell isn't automatically done when you anyway connect that thing to the PC to transfer data?
      I have a 3rd-party USB cable for my Asus 716 Pocket PC that provides both power and a data connection, where the bundled cable only provides data and you need to pass it through an externally-powered cradle if you want to charge it. As such, I can give one reason:

      The USB port doesn't supply enough power to charge the battery and run the device. Well, it does if I enable the most power conservative mode on the Asus, but even then it's touch and go. You really have to convince it to be off to charge, but of course the data part of the connection keeps encouraging it to come on. Also, it comes on when it starts charging, so if it isn't charging while on but starts charging the moment you turn it off, it turns itself back on. 500mA really is a little too little.

      I've also got a USB-powered hard drive that needs every bit of 500mA such that if you use any cable longer than the provided one (which is only about 15cm long) it doesn't start up. I should dig up my powered hub so I don't have to climb under the desk to plug it in.

      Mind you, some newer/smaller devices can cope. I believe the iPod Shuffle does automatically charge whenever you plug it into a USB port, regardless of what you're doing with it at the time.

    2. Re:Charging your gadgets directly via the USB by Krojack · · Score: 1
      I really wonder why charging of ALL sorts of gadgets which run on one lithium-ion cell isn't automatically done when you anyway connect that thing to the PC to transfer data?


      The iPod does this already over USB or firewire. At least from the iPod photo on. My 3G won't but Video does.
  51. No $10.4 each. by Spluge · · Score: 1

    £12.99 for two including VAT. So that £11.06 before tax.
    The exchange rate is around 1.8887 right now so $20.88 for two.
    Which makes it $10.44 for one AA.

    Still massivly overpriced but not as high as you said.

  52. No Windows and Linux drivers? by marcomarrero · · Score: 2, Interesting


      One stupid LED as a status? It's already USB! Why not also a little icon indicating charge status, how much power has left... Even maybe intelligent software to even tell how many seconds of gameplay I'll have my Sega GameGear! Ah.. USB. It reminds me when I saw the first USB speakers, I was amazed of how quicly computer technology has gone beyond prediction.. . Witnessing speakers crash! At least Windows 95 OSR2 somewhat tried to continue after a blue screen.

      Actually, it would be cool if most devices could simply work with rechargable AAA batteries. Having different batteries for cameras, cellphones, portable game systems, mp3 players.. too much stupid cables everywhere. Maybe something more usable, like flat, square things, Lego-like. One of them to power a camera, maybe interconnect 5 to power a portable mp3-video player, or, interconnect 100 and a Dell laptop to celebrate the 4th of July!

  53. I need lots of them by thorkyl · · Score: 1

    Lets see, 15,000 should do it.
    Then I can power a car off my laptop battery...

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    1. Re:I need lots of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, you just need one USBGohan... Everyone DBZ fan knows that pure yellow beats green any day of the week!

    2. Re:I need lots of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few more than that, actually. Roughly 1000lbs of them, in fact. http://www.teslamotors.com/

  54. USB spec? by Bassman59 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Obviously, this thing doesn't meet any of the applicable specs, especially the specs that address power consumption when a device is not configured. I don't see a USB logo anywhere on their web site.

    Use at your own risk.

    1. Re:USB spec? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is because it just uses the power from the USB port, and is not an actual USB device. Since it is not an actual USB device, it doesn't have a USB logo. Why was the parent modded insightful?

    2. Re:USB spec? by Bassman59 · · Score: 1
      That is because it just uses the power from the USB port, and is not an actual USB device. Since it is not an actual USB device, it doesn't have a USB logo. Why was the parent modded insightful?

      Because, Mr. Anonymous Coward, you're only supposed to plug USB devices into the USB port. And you clearly didn't understand my point about power consumption. Read the spec and learn about how USB hubs control power.

  55. USB recharging by BillX · · Score: 1

    So how did they get around Dallas/Maxim?

    Unless they're inserting some kind of Ipod-esqe "cradle" as an electron-laundering scheme.

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  56. Re:$12? Where is this from? by sholden · · Score: 1

    Congrats on getting them to fix an post which wasn't wrong.

  57. Different approach... by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What about making a little removable USB cap that fits over the rechargeable AA? Don't know how you'd hit the bottom electrode though.

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  58. Dumb idea by TechByter · · Score: 1

    There is no such thing as a free lunch. I wonder how many people will discover that their notebook computer runs out of power after 27 minutes because they're trying to recharge batteries in the USB port. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Put me on the wait list to not buy these.

  59. Question by cheese-cube · · Score: 1

    So where do I download the device drivers?

  60. Too slow by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1
    Even powered ports can only deliver ~500mA. That's 4-5 hours to chare an AA. That really sux next to a fast charger.

    USB charging is pretty wasteful of power too. If you use a dedicated charger you can turn off that damn computer.

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    1. Re:Too slow by zxnos · · Score: 1

      my cell phone battery charges off of the usb connection. it can give a nice little boost to the battery while at work or if i am out and i have my lappy plugged in someplace.

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  61. Nothing new by Doc+Hopper · · Score: 1

    OK, these look nifty, but I've been using a USB-powered battery charger for two years as part of my Kensington Wireless Desktop. It charges two batteries at once, and the mouse and keyboard each require 2 batteries. It does its job well, and only requires a single USB port. And plus it acts as a nifty base station for my wireless keyboard and mouse! I use 2500mAh NiMH batteries, and they go for weeks of 9-hour-a-day usage before needing to be replaced.

    I have to give this a big "so, what?" It's like selling a pencil with a clock built into it. I mean, sure, it's nifty, but it's a solution looking for a problem.

  62. Whenever a see a post by ralf1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    where an AC talks about a cool new product, I automatically assume said AC is a marketing rep from producer of product.

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  63. How old? by Karloskar · · Score: 1

    My boss had a mobile-phone charger that connected to a USB port about three years ago. It worked a treat.

  64. Oh, and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the reason I'm posting AC is because my 4-digit UID was permanently trashed to "-1 Terrible" karma by Michael Sims after I dared to post a non-sycophantic question about his intentions regarding a particular story.

    Good ol' Slashdot.

  65. USB1.1 by HaDAk · · Score: 0

    I wonder if these work on USB 1.1, since many powered devices (ie, hdd sled) require an additional power source. Should be alright - but it begs an answer, i think.

  66. Go to the Eveready web site by Jeff1946 · · Score: 1

    The Eveready site, http://data.energizer.com/ shows that NiMH AA batteries have 30-40 milliohms internal resistence and can be used to put out 4A continuously. For the Li AA they don't recommend more than 3A burst mode, so in fact the NiMH batteries should be just as suitable. I always do carry some Li batteries as emergency spares, for one thing they have essentially unlimited life (90% power after 15 years!). NiMH batteries lose 1-2% of their charge per day so you need to charge every month to make sure they aren't too low on charge.

  67. killer blow? by WhatDoIKnow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From the article: "they could be set to deliver the same killer blow to the battery market that memory sticks did to floppy discs." Really? Lets see. floppy disk: 1.4MB, about 4"X5" in size typical thumbdrive: 256MB, about, well, about the size of a child's thumb. Conventional rechargeable AA: ~2000 mAH, standard AA size, can recharge in maybe an hour with decent charger. USB rechargeable AA: 1200 mAH, standard AA size, recharge in 5 hours. yeah, that's a killer blow all right...

    1. Re:killer blow? by argent · · Score: 1

      typical thumbdrive: 256MB, about, well, about the size of a child's thumb.

      When they were introduced, a thumb drive was typically 4-16MB, and cost $50-100, and a floppy disk was 1.4MB and cost 50c.

      What thumb drives delivered a killer blow to was Zip and MO drives, at $15 for 20MB to 100MB, and half a dozen incompatible formats.

      What killed the floppy was CD burners.

  68. Who buys equipment which takes AA batteries? by ClayJar · · Score: 1

    Well, let's see...

    I could get a GPS receiver with a custom Li-Ion, or I could get one for which I can easily carry spare AAs for the hike. Which will be more useful on the third day of the backpacking trek?

    Let's just say that after I get back from the backpacking trek, I want to do some photography with my nice collection of SLRs and lenses, but I need a little fill flash off camera... That's four AAs each for the Canon flashes, and several sets if I'm shooting a lot, and I can't bring huge softbox/umbrella/strobe/power setups where I shoot.

    Okay, now that I'm done with photography, I decide that I'd really like to do some night dives. My backup lights all run off AAs (or C cells, if I'm carrying the bigger ones). Why bother with the big can light for a little clear, shallow water (and the can light's well over an order of magnitude more expensive, anyway).

    Well, I get done diving, and... Oh, just forget it.

    (Incidentally, if the USBCELLs were a joke, I'd chuckle at a fun Rube Goldberg device. If they're not a joke, I'd shake my head and wonder what *idiot* would buy them... and what else I can sell to him.)

  69. USB-powered cities by dangitman · · Score: 3, Funny

    At the rate things are going, cities will be powered not with nuclear power stations, but by a gigantic laptop, with the grid plugged into the USB port. Better watch out the battery doesn't explode, though.

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  70. Re:A bit risky? by lhorn · · Score: 1

    "unauthorized charging device" is a crucial pice of information. You may have invalidated your warranty with all these unauthorized electrons from the Linux box. OTOH, an USB port should be able to source 5V, 500 mA if I recall the specs correctly. Most ports are protected by PTC fuses, which resets themselves after a short circuit when they cool down. This is plenty for a 3.6V telephone battery, and internal circuitry in battery or phone usually restricts the current to a safe level. This is not a statement that YOUR combination of USB, battery or telephone may work, just a statement that MY combo seems to do the trick modulo 4 hours of charging time.

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  71. Ha, you can have your slow charger by ylikone · · Score: 1

    My 15min charger and batteries have been working great for over 2 years now. I don't see me having to buy new re-chargables anytime soon. Keep living in your slow charge world, I'll take the quick charge over that any day!

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  72. New wireless keyboard/mouse by PurpleButter · · Score: 0

    This is a great idea for wireless keyboards and mice. Integrate these batteries in to the devices and when they run low, just plug them in to your PC for recharging with a detatchable USB cable. This could be done overnight so in the morning you are back an running as wireless instead of tethered.

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  73. a4tech mouse (on topic) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    personally, it has been done, kinda.... A4tech has a cordless mouse that uses AAA, and to recharge it you plug in the USB calble to the mouse. That way while recharging, you are using a temporary corded mouse. I thought this was brilliant as there is no "downtime" in swapping batteries.

  74. I-C3 Works Differently by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 1

    15 Min Recharge Info

    From the page:

    Rayovac's patent-pending I-C3 technology (In-Cell Charge Control) puts the control of the recharging into the battery, instead of the charger.

    15 Minute Rechargeables

    Why Buy I-C3:

            * Unsurpassed charging time - 15 minutes or less
            * Lasts up to 3 times longer than standard alkaline
            * Can be recharged up to 500 times
            * Price - Very inexpensive compared to the hundreds of disposable alkaline batteries needed to match the lasting power of the 15-Minute Rechargeable System; far less expensive than lithium batteries
            * Safe design - system monitors the charge in each individual battery for safe charge design, speed and reliability


    500 charges sounds pretty good to me. Even at 50% charge, would last 1.5x longer than an alkaline. Also, this charger doesn't charge all rechargeables in 15 minutes, just specialized I-C3 batteries. So, there is a (rather significant) difference between your normal NiMH and these. It's not a "flash charger", just the charger that these batteries are designed for. The battery basically handles its own charging and timing.

    We use the AA and AAA I-C3 rechargeables for cameras (my wife does weddings and other events), audio recorders and players (I use the AAA for digital recorders. I record roughly 4 hours each week, and listen about 8, all on 1 AAA. After charging all 4, I only have to charge once a month). And, of course, there's the TV remotes, LED flashlights, and camping radios.

    And let me tell you, for flashlights and radios, there's no greater joy while camping then running my car for 15 minutes and charging the batteries quickly. I can't run my car 5 hours just to recharge some AA's. That's just crazy talk.

    Here's a tip for travellers: Go to a gas station and ask for the wall socket for 15 minutes to recharge some batteries. Usually there is an empty spot behind the coffee machine, and then just take your time shopping for sodas, ice, something microwavable, bathroom, etc. You can't do that with 5 hour recharges.

    And no, I'm not affiliated with Rayovac, I just find their quick charge batteries a real convenience and well worth it (unlike other rechargeables).

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  75. Electric Fork by billhedrick · · Score: 1

    i.e, a senselees application of technology. This makes little logical or financial sense. I really doubt it would pay for itself, besides if you are somewhere where you can not get to an electrical outlet to plug in a $10 battery recharger, do you really want to drain the battery of your laptop like this? Makes for a fun /. article, but only the most tech-obsessed will buy this.

  76. More info by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 1

    I was actually curious exactly how it worked after posting, so I checked. It all has to do with pressure:

    1. How does the 15-Minute Rechargeable system work?

    The I-C3 technology used in the 15-Minute Rechargeable System allows unsurpassed charging speed due to the system's ability to control the internal cell pressure. With currently available technology, expensive smart electronics must be built into the fast chargers to monitor voltage and temperature and avoid excessive pressure build-up. This breakthrough allows faster charging.


    Hmmm, sounds like something Taco Bell should license for their bean burritos.

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  77. Or better yet... by freeze128 · · Score: 1

    How about a power supply with a USB connector on it, just for charging your USB batteries?

  78. Re:You can't charge laptop batteries via USB. by Cervantes · · Score: 1

    Joke:   ->
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  79. Most Expensive by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    That's clearly the most expensive battery charger I've yet seen -- and biggest too!

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  80. it's lipo's nowadays by nietsch · · Score: 1

    Only beginners and the guys that don't mind a heavy battery pack use NiMH. It is just cheaper if you want to be able to draw 100 Amps from your pack. The discharge rate for NiMHs is about 8C, while some lithium Polymer batteries claim up to 20C. (The C here means the dischage factor, or how much amps * the battery capacity you can discharge continiously.) A cheap 2.2Ah 10C lipo can deliver 22 Amps at ~11.1V, which works out to ~240 Watt. What kind of flash would you like to run off that?
    But even for AA NiMHs, a 7 cell pack can deliver 8C * ~1.6Ah * 8.4V = ~ 100 Watt. That is still ample power to run a flash on (that is only on for 1/10000th of the time)
    My guess is the GP does not know what he is talking about and/or is no professional photographer. Maybe the symptoms he sees are there, but they are not caused by insufficient battery capacity.
    Oh and normal litium [ion|polymer] cells are 3.7V. How/why you would make a functional AA Cell (at 1.5V)out of that is beyond me.

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