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Why Don't More CIOs Become CEO?

jcatcw writes "Thornton May is mystified by the very small number of Fortune 500 companies that led by former CIOs. "Knowing what we know about CIOs — that is, that most are smart, hardworking, supremely aware of how the business works and increasingly savvy regarding the workings of external customers' minds — the failure of more CIOs to become CEO has to be one of the biggest mysteries of our age.""

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  1. Of course.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously Thorton hasn't been around to smell the aftereffects of an all-night coding session.

  2. how about by argoff · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How about, they can be productive, stay on the cool technology, and get good pay with only a fraction of the corporate governance bullshit.

    1. Re:how about by zymurgyboy · · Score: 1
      Except that most of them eschew cool technology for tried and true, conservative tech. And I wager that much, if not most, of their time is spent dealing with corporate governance bullshit. Especially post-SARBOX and -- to maybe a somewhat lesser extent depending on the business they're engaged in -- as a result of recent changes to the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure with respect to electronic documents and how they are to be handled in the event of litigation.

      At least that's true of most of the CIOs I've had any dealings with.

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    2. Re:how about by KUHurdler · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the CEO is #1 on the blame list when something goes wrong.

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    3. Re:how about by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      . . .the CEO is #1 on the blame list when something goes wrong.

      And gets punished with an $80 million severance package and a lateral move to another CEO position.

      KFG

    4. Re:how about by ravrazor · · Score: 1

      Actually, 80% of CEOs never work as CEOs again...

    5. Re:how about by querencia · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you're C-level, you've got all of the corporate governance bullshit.

      The real problem is that in most companies, the entire IT organization is seen as a corporate support cost center, like janitorial services.

      Among MBAs, it is an old joke that CIO stands for "Career Is Over." If you're head of products, marketing or sales, you're seen as doing something "core" to the business and its value to customers. If you're CIO, you're seen as managing the IT department and technical product and service vendors -- supporting product development, marketing and sales.

      Of course, in many large companies today, IT is the core value and a key driver of value to customers (e.g. FedEx). I might expect to see more CIO to CEO promotions.

    6. Re:how about by paeanblack · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, 80% of CEOs never work as CEOs again...

      Actually, 80% of CEOs never worked in the first place...

    7. Re:how about by kfg · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, 80% of CEOs never work as CEOs again...

      Well, they'll just have to learn to get by on their severance I guess.

      KFG

    8. Re:how about by Richard+Steiner · · Score: 1

      If I received a multi-million-dollar severance package like many CEOs appear to receive, you can bet that I'd never work as ANYTHING again. :-)

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    9. Re:how about by ravrazor · · Score: 1, Informative

      Given that the average CEO career is now about 4-7 years, and their average salary is less than a partner in a medium-to-large-size law firm, an investment banker, or a mediocre major league outfielder, I think the golden parachute are generally justified.
      I'm not sure why there's this impression that CEOs don't work. If they didn't, they wouldn't be there...the board has institutional investors, outsiders and other shareholder to answer to, and that's exactly what they're there to oversee...

    10. Re:how about by MrNougat · · Score: 1

      Of course, in many large companies today, IT is the core value and a key driver of value to customers (e.g. FedEx). I might expect to see more CIO to CEO promotions.


      You'd think, wouldn't you? What I see is that IT is still the red-headed stepchild of business, and executive committees would much prefer to do business without it. Instead of recognizing that IT is the core of business operations (the part of the company that delivers what the sales force is selling), executives continue to focus on revenue and profit ("As long as we have sales, we're fine; never mind delivering a quality product.")

      Another thing - although the title is "CIO," they're not always at the same C-level as the CFO, COO or other officers. CIOs often end up reporting to another C-level, because "well, we have to put IT somewhere, and one place makes as much (non)sense as another."

      That should be a loud message that IT is important enough and different enough that it should be on par with accounting and operations and everything else. Never really is, though.
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    11. Re:how about by kfg · · Score: 1

      I am aware that I'm being a smartass. Nonetheless I am doing so to illustrate a point which is valid.

      I'm not sure why there's this impression that CEOs don't work.

      Who said they don't work? The question is whether they work effectively, and what happens to them when they do not.

      What happens to the kid in the mailroom if he doesn't deliver the mail, no matter how much work he expends in not delivering it? What happens to a salesman who works his ass off to not sell anything?

      Where is the salesman's parachute? ..the board has institutional investors, outsiders and other shareholder to answer to, and that's exactly what they're there to oversee...

      Exactly.

      KFG

    12. Re:how about by spun · · Score: 0

      Where are you even GETTING these figures from? You have a CEO fetish and you are making shit up on the spot in order to protect Daddy, aren't you? Pervert.

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    13. Re:how about by ravrazor · · Score: 3, Informative

      lol...

      Actually, I'm putting off writing a Corporate Goverance paper for a boring third-year law school class, and thought I'd try and inject some fact into slashdot. Maybe a futile endeavour...

      Those are fairly well-known stats, check google scholar for "CEO tenure" or papers like:
      The Impact of Regulation on CEO Labor Markets, The Rand Journal of Economics, Darius Palia
      Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0741-6261(200021) 31%3A1%3C165%3ATIOROC%3E2.0.CO%3B2-5

      Just one of many...

    14. Re:how about by Dan+Farina · · Score: 1

      ...Why the hell would they, with the amount of money they get for screwing up?

    15. Re:how about by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      Not even a job where you can screw up another company and get another multi-million-dollar severance package, without doing anything?

    16. Re:how about by jacem · · Score: 1

      Not even a job where you can screw up another company and get another multi-million-dollar severance package, without doing anything?

      The problem is that if you do that too too much you get to spend a few years in a federal country club.

      JACEM

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    17. Re:how about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Actually, 80% of CEOs never work as CEOs again...

      Actually, 80% of CEOs never worked in the first place...


      Depending on the source, 40-100% of all statistics are made up on the spot. 100% of slashdot users are unproductive while reading slashdot, and 50% of my balls itch right now.

      There is also an amazing correlation between unproductive slashdot users and the likely-hood that I will be pausing now... ah to scratch my nut.
    18. Re:how about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Those are fairly well-known stats, check google scholar for "CEO tenure" or papers like: The Impact of Regulation on CEO Labor Markets, The Rand Journal of Economics, Darius Palia Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0741-6261(200021) 31%3A1%3C165%3ATIOROC%3E2.0.CO%3B2-5
      Yeah right! We've seen those magazine ads. We know what those CEOs really do -- practice their putting game in their office.
    19. Re:how about by kfg · · Score: 1

      Oh, the figures have the gut feel of truth to me. For every Jack Welch there are dozens of dot coms that went bust in a couple of years; leaving their CEOs flipping burgers.

      The real question is why shouldn't they be expected to flip burgers after their tenure as CEO is over? Is there something about the job that disables them from being able to work and take care of themselves? Do they get kneecapped or something? Their arms stop functioning?

      Why should the 4 to 7 year job of CEO be considered a lifetime sinecure?

      It's a job, just like any other. If it goes south on you, go get another one like all the other employees have to.

      And really, if you've been making a mil or more for 4 to 7 years and are in danger of becoming destitute over the loss of your job, ever, what we have here is failure to manage personal finances. For God's sake, drive a Chevy and put something away.

      KFG

    20. Re:how about by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Currently there's a limit to how long you can extend your lifespan especially when you're talking about a quality lifestyle.

      So unless you enjoy screwing up companies or just like making money, you might as well do something more fun for the rest of your life.

      As long as you don't spend like Larry Ellison, your tens of millions will go a long long way.

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  3. Who does the picking by gurps_npc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As long as board members are choosen from the non-technical, management side, those same board members will pick non-technical peopel to head their company.

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    1. Re:Who does the picking by mordors9 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In other words, successful business people (the types usually on the Boards) often feel that CIOs are geeky types lacking certain social skills that they might feel a CEO should have.

    2. Re:Who does the picking by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 1
      At the risk of getting modded down for a 'me too' post can I endorse what you're saying. It's a well established fact about job interviews that the interviewers tend to prefer copies of themselves, rather than the best for the post. I'm sure a similar situation will apply here.

      Furthermore there's the nerd factor. We techies will always be seen as 'a bit strange'. When I joined the organisation I'm with now I was give an indoctrination course which included examples of unconcious prejudice. One of the examples given was

      Oh, he's a computer programmer, they're always different I'm sure there are many of us /.ers who know that one very well.
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    3. Re:Who does the picking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Not only that...

      It's no God damned mystery that engineers AREN'T people capable of understanding other aspects of business, let alone have the personal skills to conduct sales, get up infront of the company and speak, and a million other non-technical skills absolutely required to be a CEO.

      This is typical nerd elitism. They think they are so smart that they can do everyone's job. But put them in charge of making a sale, or managing human resources, or developing a marketing plan, and they are clueless.. despite their believe that they could do a better job.

      Face it, engineers are good at engineering, but suck at everything else. That's why they aren't chosen.

      It totally makes sense why no CIOs become CEOs. I have an MS in EE and an MBA. The two worlds are sooooo far apart and rarely understand each other and none of them are capable of bridging that gap.

    4. Re:Who does the picking by zymurgyboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I doubt it's a lack of social skill so much as a lacking social network compared to the friend pool a typical CEO would have. To get that far up the food chain you at least have to have some political skills, which probably implies social skills as well. This is the director level after all, and not the back office admin level.

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    5. Re:Who does the picking by Moofie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "and none of them are capable of bridging that gap."

      But you are, because you're better than them? Mr. Pot? Mr. Kettle. Mr. Kettle? Mr. Pot.

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    6. Re:Who does the picking by heck · · Score: 4, Informative
      Face it, engineers are good at engineering, but suck at everything else. That's why they aren't chosen.

      According to the September 16-17, 2006 edition of the Wall Street Journal's Weekend Edition, about 20% of the CEO's of the top US companies have engineering degrees.

      I've also seen articles that mention that companies that are led by engineers tend to report better earnings than companies led my non-engineers, but that was in the days of Jack Welch (former CEO of GE).

    7. Re:Who does the picking by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And the richest man in the world is mildly autistic. A nerd can do anyone's job, all they need to do is bother to learn it. It's a lot easier to fake a concern for social convention than it is to fake competence.

    8. Re:Who does the picking by Plaid+Phantom · · Score: 1

      Stereotype much?

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    9. Re:Who does the picking by buhatkj · · Score: 1

      more pointedly, depending on the individual culture of the company, a truly inordinate number of upper management types come from either a sales, or accounting background. you don't see a lot of engineers, designers, or customer service people at the top either. in my company there isn't a single VP who wasn't in sales. most of them STARTED in sales, there is one guy who began in collections and moved to sales. goes without saying the CEO was of course in sales too. I have always figured it was based on control of the income. while CIOs, coders, accountants, collections, engineers, etc make the business WORK, its the sales guys that actually most directly appear to "make money come in". therefore, they kind of steal the show in the eyes of the stockholders/owners/whatever and get all the credit for selling the product the engineers made, using the systems the coders built, by following the leads the marketers dug up. hence, they get first recognition for promotion.
      in other companies of a more conservative bent, they want somebody who will make sure the money, once here, is well spent, and well managed (banks, insurance, funds) so they go for an accountant.

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    10. Re:Who does the picking by VWJedi · · Score: 2, Insightful
      According to the September 16-17, 2006 edition of the Wall Street Journal's Weekend Edition, about 20% of the CEO's of the top US companies have engineering degrees.

      I don't think graduating with an engineering degree automatically makes someone an "engineer". My father-in-law has a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering and an MBA. He's spent most (possibly all) of his career in sales and / or management positions. I don't think I'd call him an engineer any more than I'd call my friend who got his degree in Philosophy a philosopher.

    11. Re:Who does the picking by coldsleep · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Most IT managers I've met are non-technical. They're just managers.

      I suspect it has more to do with being stigmatized as a technical guy because they manage IT, rather than actually being technical and lacking in interpersonal skills. When looking for a new CEO, whoever is doing the picking wants someone that has a reputation of being good with people...which, by association (to IT), IT managers are not. Non-IT people seem to think anyone who has anything to do with IT must be a nerd, and therefore incapable of excelling interpersonally.

      YMMV, of course.

    12. Re:Who does the picking by inode_buddha · · Score: 3, Insightful
      "This is typical nerd elitism. They think they are so smart that they can do everyone's job. But put them in charge of making a sale, or managing human resources, or developing a marketing plan, and they are clueless.. despite their believe that they could do a better job."

      I have to disagree. After a lifetime of being picked on for being "different" and smart, its a case of fear. Not elitism. It's a case of fear of failure, and choosing to go with one's known strengths instead -- which doesn't include society.

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    13. Re:Who does the picking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Finally someone said it. I am sick of the elitism.

      Them - "But I have an B.S. in (blah) engineering"

      Me - "your design still sucks. give your degree back"

    14. Re:Who does the picking by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And the richest man in the world is mildly autistic.

      When is the popularity of autism, Asperger's symdrome, etc going to die off?

      Its like the depressive/prozac craze of the early 90s.

      I've worked in mental hospitals, and have worked with autism back when it was a real disorder and not a fad. To put it bluntly, autistic people are screwed up, and I have not heard of any treatments that significantly add functionality to the person's life beyond being able to do things like simple puzzles or tasks for 10 to 20 minutes. No progress like being able to have a meaningful relationship with someone, hold a job, or anything "normal" like that.

      Autism is a congenetal like being born with "mental retardation" or whatever that is called today or being born with certain colored eyes, hair, or skin.

      I know that this is troll-food for all of those self-diagnosed Asperger's and autistic people here on slashdot, but if one can cite a _real_ case of "mild autism" with significant change in symptoms through any medical or behavioral treatment, please prove me wrong.

      Despite medical "experts" on autism saying that there is no known, long-term, treatment for autism, they recommend at least 25 hours of week in treatment. Logically, this seems to make no sense, if someone knows better than I, please prove me wrong.

    15. Re:Who does the picking by NitsujTPU · · Score: 1

      Exactly. There is no mystery to this matter. Not many people rise from "programmer" to "head of the company" not only because there are simply fewer heads of companies, but because these are not the sorts of people who companies seriously look at for these positions.

      It's not that technical people can't be good at these positions. There are plenty of fine examples of business units and management that come from technical backgrounds who do quite well. Look at Google. It's mostly a cultural thing.

    16. Re:Who does the picking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best example of high-functioning autistic: Temple Grandin.

    17. Re:Who does the picking by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 1

      Sorry if infringed your territorial possession of the diagnostic criteria. I have a friend with a child who requires clinical treatment for autism, and as my parents once believed I was going deaf as a toddler, I'm terrified that I'm predisposed to having children the same way. I don't use the word in ignorance.

    18. Re:Who does the picking by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1
      I've also seen articles that mention that companies that are led by engineers tend to report better earnings than companies led my non-engineers, but that was in the days of Jack Welch (former CEO of GE).

      I think we have to remember that there is a big difference between getting the job and doing the job. CEO's are generally better equipped at the former, and see "doing the job" as a means to "getting the job". With CIO's, it's the other way around. Profits depend on both being there, but playing the two different C-level roles effectively demands that differential focus, and I believe that's where the conflict lies.

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    19. Re:Who does the picking by drsquare · · Score: 0

      God forbid that the top managers are chosen from management. You wouldn't want a CEO in charge of IT, so why would you want the IT guy as CEO?

    20. Re:Who does the picking by Valar · · Score: 1

      Board members are chosen by election by shareholders. The board members are not managers. They might happen to be (if they are managers with a sh*t ton of company stock).

    21. Re:Who does the picking by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To put it bluntly, autistic people are screwed up, and I have not heard of any treatments that significantly add functionality to the person's life beyond being able to do things like simple puzzles or tasks for 10 to 20 minutes.

      Are you saying that the concept of 'Autism Spectrum Disorder' doesn't exist? Because the experts I've heard on this topic says that the diagnosis ranges from high functioning Asbergers to the type you describe.

      Bill Gates is known to show some symptoms of what some people (perhaps not you) call high-functioning asberger's, such as rocking back and forth in chairs or 'stimming' as some people call it, and not perceiving social clues.

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    22. Re:Who does the picking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My wife has just started a job at a childcare center specializing in early intervention for autistic kids. I've seen the results of the therapy for the manager's child, and it seems to be very effective. He was diagnosed with all classic autism symptoms, a 'textbook' case, but now is able to have real and meaningful interaction with other kids, adults, etc. The technique is called ABA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applied_Behavior_Anal ysis

    23. Re:Who does the picking by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      When is the popularity of autism, Asperger's symdrome, etc going to die off?

      Well, he does show some signs, like the rocking thing, although it's fairly mild. Personally, I think he's just an asshole. I do recall seeing one dev at MS who did the rocking thing to the point where it was obvious to me, and my only training is that my mother is a RN who has Neurologist friends.

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    24. Re:Who does the picking by Tony-A · · Score: 1

      its a case of fear. Not elitism. It's a case of fear of failure, and choosing to go with one's known strengths instead -- which doesn't include

      Rather more accurate than you imagine. Tends to work that way all around.
      If it's bad being picked on for being smart, imagine being picked on for being dumb.

    25. Re:Who does the picking by cbacba · · Score: 1

      CEO of a big company requires people skills and doesn't really require technical skills. It is the top of line management. CIO is a highly technical position that is a staff position requiring relatively little people skills. Going from CIO to CEO is about as traumatic a change in job requirements as the opposite - going from CEO to CFO. Can you imagine the disasters waiting to happen for the typical CEO to switch over and become CIO?????

      This is not to say that someone cannot have all skills and be sufficiently talented to do well in both - just rather unlikely and uncommon. How many professional grade baseball players are also professional grade football AND basket ball players???

      A CEO has to be able to sell - products and ideas - to employees, customers. He has to be able to decide based on imperfect information where the direction of the company needs to be and has to rely on virtually everything being done by others.

    26. Re:Who does the picking by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      Are you saying that the concept of 'Autism Spectrum Disorder' doesn't exist?

      Of course not, the concept of walking through walls exists since there is more empty space in my body and the wall, but in my experience people don't walk through walls.

      rocking back and forth in chairs

      This is a symptom of a psychological problem, not a neuroligical one. Its very common for humans, especially those when psychologically hurt to rock back and forth. However, most humans grow out of that kind of behavior with socialization by the time they reach 9-10 years old, but some still do this kind of behavior when they are alone. Is there documentation of Bill Gates rocking back and forth in a chair as an adult in public? If so, then he has some pretty strong psychological problems. I've known people with mild terrets syndrome that could control their chirps and whatnot in public, but it wasn't worth their energy to do so with friends.

      Oh, and what about Temple Grandin?

      She is the poster child for autism, Asperger's, or something. After all, she has a PhD, and people that sell books for a living http://www.fhautism.com/ created a website for her, http://www.templegrandin.com/ so she must have it, or something right?

      On her own, personal website, http://www.grandin.com/ she says she has a visual thinking problem _like_ some people that were not clinically diagnosed with autism here http://www.grandin.com/inc/visual.thinking.html .

      Here is an interview with her where the editor and interviewer say over and over again she has autism, but the only instance where she says anything remotely that she has autistic-like features is "I can remember, after lunch, I had a rest period when I could revert to autism, and I would pick the fuzz off the rug and eat it, and dribble sand through my hands -- I can remember just getting hypnotized doing this. If I had been allowed to do that all day, I wouldn't be here now." If I had an child whose only problems in life were picking fuzz off of the rug and eating it, I would be grateful.

      Here is another account by her regarding here visualization problems. http://www.autism.org/temple/visual.html In this article she alludes that she has autistic-like features, and to overcome these she says "I describe a squeeze machine I constructed to satisfy my craving for the feeling of being held. The machine was designed so that I could control the amount and duration of the pressure. It was lined with foam rubber and applied pressure over a large area of my body."

      Now, I don't know how old she was when she created this squeeze machine, but this puts her in at least a 1 in a million category here. I've known people to make machines like robots and things as adults for intellectually stimulating (again about 1 in a million here, maybe 500,000) but I seriously doubt that any females I know have built a stimulating machine (most likely a vibrator) over buying one.

      I will put Temple Grandin in at least a 1 in a million category, but being that nobody of authority, including herself definitively says she has autism, and being that over 99% of those with autism cannot speak, I would say its safer to say she is not autistic.

    27. Re:Who does the picking by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1

      A nerd can do anyone's job, all they need to do is bother to learn it.

      Show me a nerd who's the head of sales for a major organization and then I'll believe you. I'm not saying nerds cannot adapt to many situations, but they tend not to perform as well at social jobs as people who make their living by shmoozing.

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  4. Maybe it's not a "failure". by AltGrendel · · Score: 3, Interesting
    It may be that they seriously enjoy working more directly with IT than with the business of the business they are working for.

    We wouldn't be geeks if we didn't enjoy working with the new equipment.

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    1. Re:Maybe it's not a "failure". by superpulpsicle · · Score: 2, Informative

      That and because CIOs don't BS enough. CEOs are generally the king of BS in any given organization.

    2. Re:Maybe it's not a "failure". by atomic777 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I think you're on the right track. Business types look at IT and IT workers as "infrastructure". In other words, we're no different from construction workers in their eyes. Even if you get up to CIO/CTO, you're still an electronic grease monkey.

      Of course it's their loss. Those companies that are a bit more insightful and can see what a CIO/CTO can bring to the table, will be better off for it.

    3. Re:Maybe it's not a "failure". by Undertaker43017 · · Score: 1

      I think your close, but it goes a little deeper.

      My dad was a CIO for 3 different companies before he finally had enough and retired. The average "lifespan" of a CIO is 3 or 4 years, eventually something is going to fail and you are going to get left holding bag. He loved the technology end of it, didn't mind the management aspect, but hated the blame game. I think many CIO's are in the same boat, and hence have no interest in going any higher, where they not only loose the technology, but gain more stress, job insecurity and BS.

    4. Re:Maybe it's not a "failure". by grammar+fascist · · Score: 1
      Business types look at IT and IT workers as "infrastructure". In other words, we're no different from construction workers in their eyes.

      Prove to me that we aren't.
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    5. Re:Maybe it's not a "failure". by nomadic · · Score: 1

      In other words, we're no different from construction workers in their eyes. Even if you get up to CIO/CTO, you're still an electronic grease monkey.

      Which is exactly why I left IT.

    6. Re:Maybe it's not a "failure". by ahodgson · · Score: 1

      Construction workers have to work to real standards.
      They get paid for overtime.
      Their jeans usually have fewer holes.
      Their job tends to keep them physically fit.
      On the job accidents result in injuries or death.
      They have surprisingly little spare time to read /. ... or, it seems, anything else.

    7. Re:Maybe it's not a "failure". by Desert+Raven · · Score: 1

      They have surprisingly little spare time to read /. ... or, it seems, anything else.

      Bwahahaha.

      Seriously, the biggest joke on the white-collar world is that the folks with the greatest amount of free time are the blue-collar workers. They're the ones who actually *take* three-week vacations, spend weekends boating, etc.

    8. Re:Maybe it's not a "failure". by atomic777 · · Score: 1
      I don't think there is a significant difference and there's nothing wrong with that. My father is a grease monkey. I'm an electronic grease monkey. Many skilled tradesmen working "dirty" construction and blue-collar jobs make a lot of money because their skills require extensive experience and time to acquire, and make a lot more money than many non-IT white-collar workers. We IT people do the electronic dirty work that others cannot do and are paid accordingly.

      It's the stigma and aristocratic snobbery that many business types have that prevent them from taking CIO/CTOs seriously as business leaders, and that is what i'm referring to when I say it's their loss.

  5. Greatest Mysteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good to know this has replaced 'how do all the socks disappear in the dryer?' as the greatest mystery of our age.

    1. Re:Greatest Mysteries by OglinTatas · · Score: 1

      Those socks that "disappeared in the dryer" never made it to the laundry in the first place. They are still inside out in the clutter on the floor of (wherever you took them off).

      Do a little house cleaning and then move on to the next mystery.

  6. The reason by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    "most are smart, hardworking, supremely aware of how the business works and increasingly savvy regarding the workings of external customers' minds"

    Which is exactly opposite of what is required by CEOs, who almost by definition should be stupid, lazy, unaware of anything let alone the business they are in, and have complete disregard for customers.

    There is a reason we call them .... PHB.

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    1. Re:The reason by balsy2001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do you actually know any CEOs? I mean personally? I interact with just a few of them from time to time and the ones I know are not lazy or stupid. In my experience they work very hard. It is just that they devote a good deal to things you don't find value in (climbing the corporate ladder). The ones I deal with are also accutely aware of the business they are in and don't disregard the customer. Again it is a mixed bag. You have to remember that they are supposed to maximize profits for the company. Yes I think everyone here would agree that one good step is to produce a good product, but just because you can find some flaw or something that you don't like doesn't mean the CEO is stupid or lazy. A lot of it comes down to compromise between the many forces at work in business.

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    2. Re:The reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, Ballmer is CEO of the century!

    3. Re:The reason by killabee · · Score: 2, Informative

      I know two CEO's including the one I support on a daily basis as an MIS. He's the one who can't keep from permanently deleting his email and wanting it restored. And he's the one who goes on vacation three to four days a week every week. The second one lives in my neighborhood and is not much better. I can say I have met and do know more CEO's than these and I can provide specific examples of their on-going mistakes and lackidazical attitudes. It can't be described as anything less. IT knows too much. There's no room for the company to claim plausible denyability. And everyone hates the IT staff, even the CIO. Back over your laptop in the parking lot? It's IT's fault.

    4. Re:The reason by balsy2001 · · Score: 1

      I wonder what the difference is between our experiences? How big is the company you work for? I wonder if that has something to do with it. The ones I know are doing on the order of $100M in revenue a year.

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    5. Re:The reason by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 1

      I'll second what you said. I know a CIO and a bunch of SVPs who report directly to CEOs. They are smart and hard working. Of course it's a different type of work than what I would call work. They are basically on the phone for 8-10 hours/day 6-7 days/week while travelling all the time. They make lots of money, but at what cost to themselves and their family. It's definitely not a job I would want.

    6. Re:The reason by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Actually, I do.

      Most are actually quite intellegent, until it comes to ... common sense. They seem to have lost that gene somewhere along the line. Things that seem so obvious elude them, while they can grasp even the most esoteric concepts.

      And by "work very hard" I assume you mean "looking busy all the time". I do agree that they tend to put a great deal of effort into climbing social ladders, and usually at the expense of family and friends (personal friendships having nothing to do with work). I have yet to find one person, who, while lying on his death bed said, "I wish I spent more time at the office".

      "You have to remember that they are supposed to maximize profits for the company."

      Plenty of people have sold their souls to make an extra buck, and some have bankrupted their company in the process of ripping ever last shred of profit from this quarter at the expense of future earnings. Looks good on paper, that's for sure.

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    7. Re:The reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I have to agree with the GP. The company I worked for (until I left a few weeks ago) has revenue in the order of $7 billion annually, and is entirely dependent on IT - by that, I mean there are close to ZERO revenue-generating activities within the business that are possible without IT. Yet the CIO was a useless buffoon who knew nothing about IT, and the rest of the company viewed IT as an unfortunate fact of life, rather than a critical (or even useful) part of the business infrastructure, especially by the CEO.

    8. Re:The reason by killabee · · Score: 1

      Of the two I mentioned one is required to make $130 million a year min. or they go bankrupt. The other is working strictly off VC and probably won't be profitable for at least 5 years with about $6.5 M a year in revenue.

      I would love to post the company names but hate the idea of a slander suit. You would recognize the VC CEO from the name of his former company, where he was CEO, and they kicked him out.

  7. Old boy club by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's because CIOs, being smarter, tend to be females and thus artificially kept down by the glass ceiling! Die patriarchy!!twelve!!1

  8. It's no mystery by prgrmr · · Score: 3, Informative

    the failure of more CIOs to become CEO has to be one of the biggest mysteries of our age

    Not at all. CEOs are hired by boards of directors, the vast majority of whom are not comprised of current or former CIOs. It's the same reasoning that has lead to the grossly inflated paychecks and bonuses that we see CEOs getting today: many members of the board have apirations to becoming a CEO. It's a continuation of the "old boys' club" on an even more pervasive scale. Until shareholders start demanding different behavior by voting with their investment funds, the situation isn't likely to change.

    1. Re:It's no mystery by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

      And you sir, are a douche. Why would shareholders demand different behavior? Why is this behavior bad? Why troll?

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    2. Re:It's no mystery by drsquare · · Score: 1

      As long as the companies are making money and the stock prices keep up, why would the shareholders want anything to change?

      I've yet to hear any reason that CIOs would make good CEOs.

  9. The numbers game by AutopsyReport · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Given that most CEO's come from a financial background (accounting), and the position of CEO typically mandates this knowledge, it's probably one good reason why the transition to CEO from CIO is not as less common than from other positions.

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    1. Re:The numbers game by silentounce · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up. This is exactly why. Businesses are about money, finances, accounting, that's what it all comes down to. The majority of CEOs aren't from marketing or sales as some people on here claim. They are former CFOs or CAOs. Next to that are the COOs. It's all a numbers game. The further you get from the numbers or the core of the business the less likely you are to move up. That's why you don't see many HR types or IT types as CEOs. Their main function is viewed as peripheral. Look at the military. The majority of the generals are either from the combat arms or from logistics, same deal.

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    2. Re:The numbers game by jwocky · · Score: 1

      I find that the IT department knows more about the inner workings of it's company than any other department in the organization. I install and modify all of our engineering and bidding software, developed our hr database and client software, and do development on the payroll, general ledger and job costing packages that run on our mainframe. This morning I even did our marketing persons job by making fliers.

      Generally when someone is on vacation or out sick, that person's department grabs one of our IT guys to fill in for the day b/c they're the only ones that know how to do that person's job.

    3. Re:The numbers game by j-pimp · · Score: 1

      That's why you don't see many HR types or IT types as CEOs. Their main function is viewed as peripheral. Look at the military. The majority of the generals are either from the combat arms or from logistics, same deal.

      Except heres the difference. Armies invade, and defend against invasion. Being in a combat division means you do the invading and repeling invading. Companies make products and sell solutions. That means that the COO should be first in line to be CEO. CTO/CIO second if its a tech company. Yes business is about money, but its about getting money by solving a need.

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  10. For the same reason F&A VPs don't become CEOs! by CyberLord+Seven · · Score: 5, Insightful
    They don't have the training!

    Most CEOs are former SALESMEN. Check out their careers. You'll see that most, if not all, were in Sales or Marketing at one or more points in their careers.

    Boards NEED someone at the top of the company who understands what Sales and Marketing NEED. After all, no matter how superior your product is *cough*betamax*cough* if it does not sell, your company goes down the tubes. Not the internet tubes, the other kind.

    No big conspiracy here. Just boards doing what they have always done.

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  11. They have a different skill set by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The CIO is basically the manager of a technical function. The CEO probably got to be the CEO by being very good at back room politics and perhaps by being a bit psychopathic. In a fight between the CEO and the CIO, the fight is over before the CIO knows there is a fight. It is beyond naive to think that a CEO got to that position merely by being a really good manager.

  12. Re:Who does the picking? by mpapet · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Most board members are chosen by the CEO. So, chances are excellent they don't want to report to an underling at the board meeting.

    One of the major misconceptions most people have is they assume "the board" keeps the CEO in line. That's the exception, not the rule. It's a club people.

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  13. It's simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most CIO's are burnt out and the perception that CEO's must come from the business side of the house.
    Most CIO's are asked to the impossible these days and they only last about 4 years in their job.
    Keep costs low, keep talent without raises, outsource-insource, keep up with the Jones's, make thing
    more efficient, work with all areas of the business ( but other areas of the business doesn't want to
    work with you.)

    Who wants that for very long? The pay is nice for so long until you pull your hair out and look out
    the window and think that installing sprinklers is a lot easier and you get the winters off.

  14. CIO's are too busy to be seen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a catch-22. To be a good CIO you have to spend a lot of time working on understanding technology. That cuts down on the "face time" you have with people who pick CEO's. CXO's (X!=I) have jobs in which "face time" is most of the job. Besides a good CIO is too valuable to be squandered as CEO ; any self serving slob can be CEO as long as she/he gives content free sound bites. Finding a good CIO who will keep you in a position to seemlessly meet future needs while not spending you into bankruptcy is hard.

  15. Not the CIO's Job by mpapet · · Score: 1

    They are paid to manage IT, not run a company. It's a big leap from one to the other.

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  16. Re:For the same reason F&A VPs don't become CE by jenkin+sear · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You're absolutely right.

    CEO's come from a company's profit centers- sales and marketing. COO's come from a company's cost centers- operations, production, and IT. COOs rarely jump to become CEOs. The board that picks the CEO is almost always interested in maximizing profit, never interested in minimizing loss.

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  17. Wrong skill set? by OglinTatas · · Score: 3, Informative

    Perhaps being intelligent, hardworking, and having a thorough knowledge of the company and how it works are not the most important factor in being CEO?

    The similarity between CEOs and sociopaths has been pointed out before. From a Psychology Today article

    1. Re:Wrong skill set? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. The question comes from a bizarre misunderstanding fostered by the mythology surrounding the "work ethic."

        We anarchists have a saying about that, namely: "You don't get to be Pharoah by working hard building pyramids."
        - mantar

    2. Re:Wrong skill set? by drsquare · · Score: 1

      To be a good CEO you don't need to know how the company works, you need to know how the industry works. It's no good knowing where all the computers are and what they all do when it comes to negotiating a big contract or acquisition. I've seen no evidence that IT people are more intelligent than other departments either.

      And if you're good enough, you don't need to work hard.

  18. I'm not that surprised, it's a support job by nomadic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Knowing what we know about CIOs -- that is, that most are smart, hardworking, supremely aware of how the business works and increasingly savvy regarding the workings of external customers' minds -- the failure of more CIOs to become CEO has to be one of the biggest mysteries of our age."

    I don't really see it that way. Unlike the CEO, CFO, President, board members, etc., the CIO's focus is internal rather than external. The CIO's "customer" is generally his or her own company itself. Why would a company risk promoting someone who's focus is inward-looking into a position where they have to look outwards as well?

    1. Re:I'm not that surprised, it's a support job by HeyMe · · Score: 1

      I agree, to a point (see my thread below). I'd be willing to wager that most corporate CIO's and Accounting directors know more about their company's business that most of the of the head-table honchos. They know what is and is not working in the company and what is working and, more importantly, what is not working on the revenue side. They live and work in the "real world" not in the board-room fantasy land where everything is "goodness and sunshine."

      But then, IT and accounting are just "support functions", "whadda they know?"

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    2. Re:I'm not that surprised, it's a support job by tbully · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I agree with this completely. Are you telling me that the CIO of Google, Amazon, or Yahoo! cares more about some lackey in accounting not being able to get his / her mail from their local exchange server than where the company's technology department is headed / or how it's operating? In a non technology based company, you are correct, however.

    3. Re:I'm not that surprised, it's a support job by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I don't really see it that way. Unlike the CEO, CFO, President, board members, etc., the CIO's focus is internal rather than external.

      I see the CFO as being internal as well. They are about numbers and can do their job well without ever having seen a customer or any of the products made by the company. But CFOs make it to CEO.

    4. Re:I'm not that surprised, it's a support job by nomadic · · Score: 1

      I see the CFO as being internal as well. They are about numbers and can do their job well without ever having seen a customer or any of the products made by the company. But CFOs make it to CEO.


      I think other jobs with similarly internal focuses are head of Human Resources, or head of accounting, both of which need information about where the company is heading, but mainly to let them support the company's internal functions.

  19. Re:That's easy by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The job of a CIO is to paint an honest and true picture grounded firmly in reality, and protect it from those who would engage in wishful thinking. The person who becomes a CIO is the person who has made it their lifes work to operate in this mode, and achieved the trust and respect of their peers by their effectiveness in doing so.

    The job of a CEO is to paint a glowing and radiant picture firmly grounded in the hopes and dreams of investors, and protect it from those who would engage in critical thinking. The person who becomes a CEO is the person who has made it their lifes work to understand what others want and convince them it is just around the next bend, thus eliciting their ongoing co-operation.

    Someone who has forged themselves into CIO material is most likely not going to be very good or happy at the CEO job for that reason. They require different personality strengths.

    I often contemplate how we as a society can structure things so the guy who is telling the truth is a more effective organizational representative than the guy who likes to spin lies and half-truths. No answers yet..

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  20. Not in the right Department by HeyMe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    IT is considered a "support function", making it difficult from people from that department to break into the top offices.

    It's why you only see fighter pilots at the top of the Air Force and past carrier skippers at the top of the Navy, etc. You could be a great transport pilot, sub driver or the logistics guy that ran the Berlin Airlift, but you'll never make it to the top.

    Why? I guess you could call it "Institutional Bias".

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    1. Re:Not in the right Department by silentounce · · Score: 1

      I'd suggest you do more research. Your "facts" about military leadership are off the mark. Even the Marine Corps has an aircraft maintenance man leading their enlisted. Now if that isn't against an institutional bias, I don't know what is.

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    2. Re:Not in the right Department by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      IT is considered a "support function", making it difficult from people from that department to break into the top offices.
       
      It's why you only see fighter pilots at the top of the Air Force and past carrier skippers at the top of the Navy, etc. You could be a great transport pilot, sub driver or the logistics guy that ran the Berlin Airlift, but you'll never make it to the top.

      The problem with this theory is that it fails to accord with the facts. The current CNO for example has never commanded a carrier. In fact, examining the roster of CNO's indicates that carrier command experience is, at best, a slight majority. (Many have commanded carrier battle groups - but that is not the same as commanding a carrier.) Many of them have either extensive service in the small boys or submarines as well.
       
      In fact carrier commanders are rare in the upper echelons of the Navy since the pilot->air command->sea (ship) command->nuke->carrier command track leaves little time for the extras (like staff duty and joint duty) that is typically expected of upper echelon commanders and staff.
       
      A review of the roster of USAF Chiefs of Staff does show that many of them are former fighter pilots - but also that they have collectively and individually extensive command and staff experience *other* than just with the fighter squadrons.
  21. I thought Enron made this obvious... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    ...the failure of more CIOs to become CEO has to be one of the biggest mysteries of our age.

    Not really. Most CEOs are pathological liars and most CIOs can't think that far outside of the box.

  22. Proficiency at .... by ehaggis · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...Doom 3 is not considered a mandatory CEO skill.

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    1. Re:Proficiency at .... by belligerent0001 · · Score: 0

      Maybe it should be...

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    2. Re:Proficiency at .... by pdxguy · · Score: 0

      probably not, but then again I'd prefer to be Master Chief.

    3. Re:Proficiency at .... by bladesjester · · Score: 1

      There we go. All CEOs should be proficient in small arms and hand to hand combat.

      That way we can pit them against each other on some deserted island and televise the whole thing. Imagine what that would do to the share price. =]

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  23. Re:For the same reason F&A VPs don't become CE by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    In the UK a lot of Finance Directors (CFOs in the US I suppose) in fact become Managing Director (CEO equivalent) it's the main reason that accountancy is so popular amongst graduates.

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  24. I'd rather... by Daishiman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd rather choose a person who know business than one who knows computers to lead a company. True, a LOT of businessmen are incompetent and don't know squat about anything, but at the end of the day you have to see a business through a businessperson's eyes. That means taking into account issues which might not be regularly considered by other experts.

    Look, I'm a computer guy and I despise the fact that many people cannot understand the difficulties in my profession, but I do know that you have to get your shit straight to negotiate with salesmen, accountants, and clients, while projecting the ideas of a company and making sure that all specialties within a company are working fine. Like computer professions, business has aspects that are more art than science, and talented people can squeeze it for all its worth.

  25. Why dont more {X} become {Y} by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The two most likely answers for all of this kind of question are:

    Because {X} don't want to.
    Because {X} didn't contain enough individuals with the correct aptitude.

    In this case (rarely enough) there is a plausible third answer:

    Because finance directors know where the skeletons are buried and sales directors put them there in the first place.

    But I'm still betting that nearly 100% of the reason is caused by the first two generic points.

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    1. Re:Why dont more {X} become {Y} by sjwaste · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't worry about blank. Let me handle blank.

  26. Talking the Talk, Dropping the Walk by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When I'm in meetings with CEOS, bankers, "investors" and other purely "business" people, with no production merit, they usually roll their eyes whenever someone mentions something technical, or even just relating directly to the technology, as if it were important to the business. These businesspeople have social skills, even if limited to boardroom power games, and sometimes technical skills in finance, marketing, or the law. But they never let their own "techinical" skills or jargon show in these meetings with "outsiders". They have instead learned to dumb down their expertise to talk purely colloquially with nontechnical people.

    Pure technologists rarely learn to dumb down like that. Partly because the knowledge itself is the most valuable, not the person who has it. Partly because tech is a language itself, which suffers from obfuscation and euphamism. So do the other technical communications, like finance and management, but those execs have long ago learned to ignore the imprecision and downright coverups, unless they feel their own power directly threatened by it.

    CIOs are much more like other execs than like other technologists. The most successful ones are those least competent in tech itself, preferring instead to work on social competence like the rest of the execs with whom they deal. But the other execs still don't trust the CIOs, because they are still more likely to tell the truth about the core business, or just something else the rest of the execs don't understand, which would make the majority of the power holders look bad.

    Eventually CIOs will become as disconnected from the technology and its culture as are the rest of the execs from wherever they draw their power. Then CIOs will become CEOs more often, like CFOs and CMOs (though marketing execs hide their pedigree for exactly the opposite reason, confirming the duplicity). Eventually no one will know what they're talking about when they spout expertise, but they will know each other very well. CIOs will win, and the products, the company, and the customers will all lose.

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  27. Keep CIOs doing what they do best by drgreening · · Score: 1

    The CIO skillset is, in some ways, more valuable than that of a CEO. What qualities would we find in an almost-CEO-ready CIO? They can accurate forward-project costs and revenue, they understand market forces and build their plant to be scalable to those forces and their variances. They respect the value of marketing, sales, finance and operations in the context of their job.

    Guess what? There are very few such CIOs. If you find one, would you really want to "promote" them to the CEO position, and potentially destroy the productivity engine that they have created?

    I have served in the role of CEO, VP Engineering, CIO and CTO. Sometime I feel my strongest value is understanding computer science, software engineering and project planning, so hearing a plan I can confidently say "that's a reasonable thing to do" or "the vendor says you will spend only $1M on that, but I can assure you it will balloon into $10M."

    So that begs the question: With so much of the company riding on a good information architecture and good IT decisions, should such a person be the CEO, or left where they do the most good? Maybe the right answer is just to compensate that person like a CEO, since their value in that role is so high.

    1. Re:Keep CIOs doing what they do best by Kelbear · · Score: 1

      Blowing off the modpoints I've already spent in this thread to comment, but I think this comment would serve to improve the thread quality more than a few points of moderation.

      I'm seeing a great deal of cynicism about the corporate process. I don't doubt that there are problems within the structure, but I have trouble believing that there is no consideration of merit behind the CEO selection process. This is a capitalist process and the benefits from a proper selection would bring profit to those making the selection. It's how the stock market is used to direct investments towards profitable enterprises.

      I would think that it is also an evolutionary process. If we have two companies with one trying to choose the best man for the job, and the other choosing someone who fails to benefit the company, and all other things being held equal, I think that the company with the proper selection process would see the benefit. If the process generates a long tradition of incompetency, then it would be in the shareholder's best interests to improve the process or just bail out, leaving the company to die and investing in a company that does it right. Economic Darwinism.

      While this might fail in the short-term in small samplings, I would think that in the long-term with a large sampling, this should bear out. People will see what works and what doesn't and try to use the better processes particularly when they get to enjoy the profits.

      That's why I would think that the CEOs actually do have merits that the CIOs do not if the CEOs are continually selected over the CIOs.

      However, I understand that such processes can fail, like how democracy has gotten us some bad presidents.

  28. CIOs don't sell things by _eb0la_reston_ · · Score: 1

    As simple as this: CIOs don't have enough experience selling (if they have any).
    The CEO is your marketer-in-chief: (s)he's selling how good the company is to your stakeholders, clients, and even suppliers (want a better, big, deal? ask 'em to talk with your CEO).
    CIOs are not trained for that.

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  30. CIO to CEO, CIO probably spent time outside of IT by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Knowing what we know about CIOs -- that is, that most are smart, hardworking, ...

    No argument there.

    ... supremely aware of how the business works ...

    No, they are supremely aware of how one segment of the business works. An important segment, but still a limited view.

    ... and increasingly savvy regarding the workings of external customers' minds ...

    No, that would probably be sales/marketing or operations depending on the nature of the business.

    ... the failure of more CIOs to become CEO has to be one of the biggest mysteries of our age."

    I'd suggest pondering a company that has been an aggressive and pioneering user of IT since 1969, Wal-Mart. Despite being one of the most consistently successful firms with respect to IT, their long term strategy has been that IT is a temporary assignment. That managers are "merchants first", something else secondarily. Now a side effect of this is perhaps to spread IT knowledge throughout management.

    I would argue that business success is largely based upon stategy, and IT is more of an implementor of stategy, not as much a formulator of strategy. IT skills are valuable, but being a people-person, a motivator, a leader, is critical for a CEO. I'd wager that if we took a close look at those CIOs who rose to CEOs we would find a lot of experience outside of IT. One long term stategy for becoming a CEO is to take stretch assignment outside of one's comfort zone, to work in more than one discipline within the company. I expect that CIO was merely the last such assignment, not that someone spent an entire career in IT and became CEO.

  31. Re:For the same reason F&A VPs don't become CE by rly2000 · · Score: 1

    You've just hit the nail on the head, at least for my company. Here, it's the salesmen whose careers are more upwardly mobile, while us peon engineers sit at the bottom. It makes a lot of sense - they're good at spinning reality and selling themselves, regardless of the veracity of their managing ability. So because of personal appeal to their superiors, they tend to get promoted. (and upper management is always claiming that we're a meritocracy - yeah right!)

    I have lots of misgivings about this, because in my particular company, the manager who's really great at sales, is good at pitching the product in untruthful ways. I suppose that might be good for our company, because he brings in business (sometimes unprofitably), but when he starts "selling" to us employees, we may initially be happy, but we become very unhappy, and later disenfranchised when we find out his pitch is really only bait and switch. And because he's not an engineer, he makes lots of stupid decisions. The morale of my company is now at an all-time low, and I'm about to start losing coworkers left and right.

    I've become accustomed to distrusting salesmen. My opinion is that, to be a successful salesman, they really can't be 100% honest. Their goal is to do what is best for the company, which is not necessarily what is best for the customer. And from my experience, it's a personality thing - not something they can turn off and on. As a developer, you really can't sell your design to another developer (or the computer) if your design doesn't have merit. The developers that I know have always been more straightforward and honest than salesmen. And much more in touch with reality.

  32. Elementary, My Dear Watson by RyoShin · · Score: 5, Funny

    CIOs have been unable to escalate to the CEO position because they cannot synergize the corporate enterprise environment into a sigma six solution in a manner that evasperates the board and homogenizes the company.

    I'm pretty certain I made up a few words there, but if I said that to a CEO s/he'd likely nod and say "Why, you're absolutely correct!"

    And that's why CIOs can't obtain the CEO position.

    1. Re:Elementary, My Dear Watson by schmu_20mol · · Score: 1

      Have you ever considered that there are people that do not fall for such 'wossname' speeches? The really successfull companies do not go for the 'talk loud say nothing approach'. but maybe this is just me.

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      "Nae Kin! Nae Quin! Nae laird! Nae master! We willna be fooled again!"
    2. Re:Elementary, My Dear Watson by RyoShin · · Score: 1

      I believe you missed my point. I was jeering that the kind of people who used sentences such as that somehow make it into the CEO position, and the sensible, intelligent CIOs who know it's a load of bull don't.

      I would hope that no company actually uses those terms, but since they exist, someone must. The more successful companies most likely don't.

    3. Re:Elementary, My Dear Watson by ForemastJack · · Score: 1

      Yes, because God knows none of us have ever dealt with a CIO that used gobbledygook business-speak. Technical people are holy, blameless creatures who speak always speak clearly and concisely -- never resorting to technobabble.

      Please. I.T. is the business center that gave us such gems as "Our powerful software is flexible, intuitive, scalar, and 100% integration-ready with your other best-of-breed tools. It is robust platform synergistic, as well as Web 2.0 compliant. Your organization can enjoy the enterprise-wide benefits of our world-class object-oriented, data-driven offering. Revolutionize your e-business infrastructure!"

      The issue is that businesses are focused outward -- they must be, to make money. I.T. (especially at the CIO level) is focused inward -- cost control, etc. No business is going to choose an inward-focused leader over an outward-focused leader. You only make money by making sales, not by securing a network or negotiating a good deal on enterprise-wide software. Not that those are important tasks -- but they aren't directly focused on moving widgets out the door, except in rare cases.

    4. Re:Elementary, My Dear Watson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please. I.T. is the business center that gave us such gems as "Our powerful software is flexible, intuitive, scalar, and 100% integration-ready with your other best-of-breed tools. It is robust platform synergistic, as well as Web 2.0 compliant. Your organization can enjoy the enterprise-wide benefits of our world-class object-oriented, data-driven offering. Revolutionize your e-business infrastructure!" I believe the Marketing Dept. was the one that came up with that spew, not IT.
  33. ......nerds by XO · · Score: 2, Interesting

    CIOs are nerds. CEOs have to be able to deal with people.

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    1. Re:......nerds by ThePabst · · Score: 1

      I disagree with this entirely. Not the Nerd part as we are nerds. But at that level (CIO) you already need to be able to talk effectively with all the other department heads, marketing, sales, accounting, and you need to be able to understand all the language and terminology they use so you can direct your IT department in the best way so the other departments can function fully. I would say that is EXACTLY what a CEO needs to understand. And that is what CIOs can already do.

    2. Re:......nerds by Petronius · · Score: 1

      you almost got it: CIOs are nerds and they suck at golf.

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  34. Re:That's easy by andphi · · Score: 1

    To misquote Shakespeare: Kill all the politicians.

  35. Job Descriptions... by Alcibaides · · Score: 1

    Being a CEO isn't as much about knowing the nuts and bolts of a company as it is about knowing the BUSINESS of the nuts and bolts of the company. The CEO is managing, not micromanaging. That's what the COO and CIO are for: to take care of the details while the CEO is schmoozing and networking and doing strategic planning.

  36. Re:For the same reason F&A VPs don't become CE by raftpeople · · Score: 1

    Not only is your post accurate, at the risk of stealing some of your thunder, it's not even news. My question, why are people still wondering why few CIO's become CEO's?

  37. Same reason why the mail boy will never be CEO by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 1

    Same reason why the mail boy will never be CEO... The American dream is a lie

    1. Re:Same reason why the mail boy will never be CEO by kfg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Same reason why the mail boy will never be CEO...

      Well, there's David Geffen, but he's kinda unique; and moved from mailboy to sales to founder.

      The American dream is a lie

      Well yeah, the current version of working hard to qualify for a mortgage on a cardboard and foam "house" full of rubbish and hanging on until you can qualify for a reverse mortgage and then all of your dreams of money, power and glory will come true in your "golden years" is a lie.

      And a very useful one to a handful of people for whom you spend your life working.

      However, remember that the original American Dream, the one that brought the immigrants here in droves, was simply to own your land, outright, on which you were secure legally, literally your home being your castle and your lands your estate, and from which you could wrest your own living.

      This was in contrast to the conditions from which the immigrants came; that of being a serf or tenant farmer with no property and no rights. Simply owning a piece of real property was, to them, a leap from the bottom of the social order to the top, no matter how poor they were.

      There was some truth to this dream.

      On the other hand their were always speculators and lawyers hanging around to fuck you out of it, so there has always been a measure of the lie to it.

      KFG

    2. Re:Same reason why the mail boy will never be CEO by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 1

      A very well written post. I enjoyed reading it. :)

  38. CEO pools by nelsonal · · Score: 1

    It's the same reason that CFOs rarely rise to CEO. The CEO is almost always the head of a major profit center before becoming CEO, CIOs and CFOs are cost centers, so no matter how talented the manager might be, they'll almost always be over looked. If you are a CIO and want to become a CEO, either start your own firm or follow the path's of other CEOs.

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  39. Fear by ClayTapes · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Alot of CIO's aren't seen as trustworthy by other management staff. The fact that they control such a vital part of the business that others know nothing about is frightening. Also they tend to be blamed for others' lack of technological knowledge. People think their IT departments are poorly managed.

    1. Re:Fear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Judging by the prevalence of Microsoft products in large corporations, and the universal experience of downtime due to such things as Exchange Server crashes or AD Domain Servers going south and taking out whole departments, combined with the "a little more investment in new Microsoft software and hardware to run it on, and greater central control, will make things work properly!" message from IT departments, it is no wonder that CIOs are untrusted by other senior managers.

  40. No, how about by winkydink · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the best CEO's seem to be former sales people. They can promote the company and aren't shy about asking customers for money. Many CIO's lack extensive P&L experience as IT, in most companies, is a cost center. Without that critical P&L experience, making the transition to CEO, especially at the Global 2000 level is difficult.

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    "I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey

    1. Re:No, how about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is P&L? please spell it out the first time and then start using acronyms.

    2. Re:No, how about by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      as IT, in most companies, is a cost center

      No more than any other ongoing costs, depending upon the business of course, which are necessary to the continued survival of the company in a competitive environment. The classification of certain areas of the business as "cost centers" and others as "profit centers" is crude in that it does not take into account the interdependence of the business units and their ability to increase profits or reduce losses in seemingly unrelated units. It is sometimes instructive to ask, "What would be the result of eliminating this function of the business entirely?" or perhaps the less drastic, "What would be the result of outsourcing this part of the business?" You may find that eliminating or outsourcing your "cost centers" instead of working to improve efficiency actually facilitates and accelerates the transformation of remaining "profit centers" into "cost centers". The information technology department is a favorite target of non-it business people, but remember that pulling out the loose threads may unwind the entire tapestry of your business and allow an opening that shrewd competitors will exploit.

    3. Re:No, how about by MSZ · · Score: 1

      The parent should be +INF Insightful...

      The problem with cost/profit center categorization is indeed that any monkey with MBA can see which division of the company is which, but it requires some serious thinking to recognize which costs are excessive or unnecessay and which are foundation for the profits.

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    4. Re:No, how about by winkydink · · Score: 1

      Profit & Loss. Sorry, I've been familiar with the term for so long that I mistakenly assumed it was widely known.

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      "I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey

    5. Re:No, how about by humblecoder · · Score: 1

      I doubt it has anything to do with a "cost center" mentality, since any good CEO knows that IT can be a "profit center" in that good systems will benefit the bottom line.

      Maybe the problem with CIO's is that they are too technical and are blinded by whiz-bang stuff without a appreciation that their role isn't to be the resident techie. A CIO's job is to weigh the benefits of an IT expenditure versus its cost. In essense, the position of CIO is a management/financial function, rather than a technical function. A good CIO won't be amazed by the latest tech for its own sake, but he will be amazed if there is a way to USE that tech to make money for the company. It would seem like a good CIO would make a good CEO, based upon this criteria, so maybe the issue is that there aren't a lot of good CIO?

    6. Re:No, how about by Tony-A · · Score: 1

      It would seem like a good CIO would make a good CEO

      Actually, methinks they do. IIRC there is an 85% overlap in required skills (programming vs management). However, those that become CEOs get out of IT very very early in the process.

      A CIO's job is to weigh the benefits of an IT expenditure versus its cost.
      ROTFLMAO A CIO is never in a position to know or understand the benefits. You measure the benefits of the computer from OUTSIDE the computer, not from INSIDE the computer. Seems like all of IT sees everything from INSIDE the computer.

      Example. Security. Two sides. Companies have gone out of existence because they lost their data. But the IT emphasis is on not letting other people look at their data.

    7. Re:No, how about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Profit & Loss. Sorry, I've been familiar with the term for so long that I mistakenly assumed it was widely known.

      It is widely known, except to people under 15 and those who have been living in caves all their lives.

    8. Re:No, how about by humblecoder · · Score: 1

      ROTFLMAO A CIO is never in a position to know or understand the benefits. You measure the benefits of the computer from OUTSIDE the computer, not from INSIDE the computer. Seems like all of IT sees everything from INSIDE the computer.


      I think you are making the mistake of equating CIO with "the bearded IT uber-guru who is holed up in his cubicle with a case of Mountain Dew trying to increase the efficiency of the network by 2%".

      The CIO is a business person first. It is the job of the CIO to set the IT direction of the company with the goal of using technology to MAKE MONEY for the company. In order to set that direction, they better be prepared to back up their decisions with some sort of business case. Otherwise, they will be out of a job pretty quickly.

  41. broad skillset by 6ame633k · · Score: 1

    I would agree with that, but they must be more than just sales skills. They also need:
    - business and financial acumen so they know how to structure the business and deals
    - tech savvy (or the savvy of whatever product they are working on) so they can talk about it intelligently
    - leadership skills so people will follow them into battle.
    It's a complicated, stressful job, especially in smaller companies where you have less support. I've seen a few CEO's burn out in my time, maybe the CIOs have see that firsthand and avoid it.

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    1. Re:broad skillset by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 1

      A salesman with sufficient skill will convince the board that he does have these skills, then attempt to hire people who really have them. He will them make sure that he has a golden parachute if he fails and will blame the failure elsewhere, only to sell himself to some other company as an experienced CEO. He will take credit for the success of others and put the blame for his failures elsewhere.

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    2. Re:broad skillset by 6ame633k · · Score: 1

      good point ...
      either way :)

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  42. Conscience? by saleenS281 · · Score: 1

    Because they tend to have a conscience and feel bad about screwing people?

  43. Because that's not what CEOs do by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1

    Sure many CEOs are smart, hardworking and zero bullshit, but the majority of successful CEOs are more concerned with being figure heads that articulate well and improve investor confidence.

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  44. You become CIO Because of what you do by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You become CEO bcause of who you know.

    Hi, Yale! Hi, Wharton!

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    Never been known to fail..."
    1. Re:You become CIO Because of what you do by silentounce · · Score: 1
      --
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  45. Re:For the same reason F&A VPs don't become CE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Most CEOs are former SALESMEN. Check out their careers.

    I agree this is the most common path for CEOs. To reach CEO you have to make a lot of alliances and sell a lot of B.S. to everyone about the company even when the compnay is in bad shape. In a perfect world, rational, clear thinking, no nonsense people would be CEOs. But to get noticed the need to have lots of face time with other "visionaries" and B.S. ers. Hence it mainly a culture problem.
    Take a look at John Swainson. While CA was screwed up before John became CEO, John has taken it to new lows.
    http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_arc hive/2006/11/27/8394334/index.htm

    Notice that his background is in guess what "sales".
    http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/personi nfo/FromPersonIdPersonTearsheet.jhtml?passedPerson Id=940473

    What CA needs is someone who founded thier own company at some point. Someone who knows how to analize and fix real problems and not just make empty statements about how the company will grow. But hey as long as the majority stock holders are Wall Street Mutal Funds, he only has to suck up to them to get by.

  46. Re:Who does the picking? by Cigarra · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Most board members are chosen by the CEO"

    I sorry, what? AFAEK, the Board hires a CEO to run the company. Members of the board themselves are elected by the general meeting of shareholders.

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  47. That should change... by jszep · · Score: 1

    now that all the CEO's are in jail.

  48. Singer, not the song... by djupedal · · Score: 1

    "...the failure of more CIOs to become CEO has to be one of the biggest mysteries of our age"

    When it comes to CIOs, there are at least two types of individuals involved. [a] Those that did this, that & the other, eventually finding themselves as CIO's [b] Those that did the very same things, came from the same backgrounds, had the same basic skill sets, etc., yet never served as CIOs, eventually finding themselves as CEOs.

    An assumption/expectation that a CIO's next step is to CEO, is analogous to saying "My cat was old and slow and got eaten by large dogs. Why don't more old cats end up being eaten by large dogs? I mean, since they're old and slow, they seem to be prime targets for such a demise. I'm shocked!" Some do, some don't - some die from natural causes...some die from unnatural causes, but mostly, many never get old because they die before joining that particular club. The forking occurs much earlier than this guy thinks, that's all.

  49. Re:For the same reason F&A VPs don't become CE by RyoShin · · Score: 1

    The problem there is that often the Sales and Marketing side of the business doesn't understand just what the Technical side can and can't do, and in what amount of time they can or can't do it. So they start promising the moon, when the Technical side can produce maybe the Rocky Mountains. This creates all sorts of worthless and stupid demands on Technical side. (Many of them wind up on TheDailyWTF)

    The reason a CIO can't be a CEO is the same reason the CEO you described shouldn't be a CEO- they're too one-sided. A good CEO has handled all parts of a company, from overseeing a development project to handling sales of things to international relations and maybe even helping to clean the bathrooms once or twice. Unfortunatly, too many CEOs (and other members of the board) wind up as you describe.

    Also, I put forth that you don't need superior Sales and Market if you have a high quality product. I have never seen a single advertisement for Pez, yet those things sell like... well, like candy. Even the tie-ins with comics or games or movies don't get any advertising from Pez themselves.

  50. How about randomness? by ClaudeVMS · · Score: 0

    It's purely random who applies for and gets what job. It couldn't be a result of discrimination, or a lack of multiculturalism and perversity. Just ask Eric Cartman. This second guessing and conspiracy stuff has got to stop.

  51. Re:That's easy by Ying+Hu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Exactly. Most CEO's are preeminently salesmen, an activity which definitely has distinct personality characteristics. These are not at all the standout personality characteristics of good CIO's.

  52. They are Smarter... by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

    And know better than to jump from the warming plate into the oven.

    President's positions also have a short half-life, if they other reasons don't mean much.

  53. Not From Our Planet, Are You by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 1

    >most (CIO's) are smart, hardworking, supremely aware of how the business works and increasingly savvy regarding the workings of external customers' minds

    WTF does any of that have to do with being a CEO?
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  54. It's simple really by jbrandv · · Score: 1

    CIO stands for: Career Is Over

  55. Socially backward versus technically backward. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Most CIOs are even more socially backward than most CEOs.

    On the other hand, remember Ted Turner saying the AOL acquisition by Warner was "better than sex". Every company I know suffers from the CEO's lack of technical knowledge.

    Maybe there are some socially skilled CIOs. However, there is VERY little respect for technical knowledge in our culture, so they are not likely to be considered.

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  56. Hyperbolic much? by mclaincausey · · Score: 1

    "One of the biggest mysteries of our age?" Give me a freaking break.

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  57. Good Surgeons are not good pediatricians by freedom_india · · Score: 1

    Same reason why Good Surgeons are not good pediatricians and vice versa.

    I remember reading in TIME: An entrepreneur is more valuable than a PhD guy because of the single reason an entrepreneur has to deal with multitude variables, be diplomatic, generally be a jack of all trades, while a PhD just needs to be master of one.

    CEO jobs involving massaging the egos of a hundred bankers, suck up to the board, be stern with unions, talk to the chinese factory manager to make sure he is not selling on sly, look at the stock price for quarterly financial projects, discuss with CFO about outsourcing versus insourcing benefits, buy a yacht or the condo in Vegas...there are a million things to occupy a CEO and yet keep smiling.

    CIOs need to b e PhD. CEO's are not and don't need to be. Heck you don't even need to graduate from college, claim that "640K ought to be enough for everybody" and yet be a CEO.

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  58. VP of Facilities by defected · · Score: 0

    It's the same reason that the VP of Facilities or Chief Counsel doesn't become CEO... these are roles that are fundamentally not core to most businesses. Marketing and financial shenanigans are 80% of what a corporate entity is about.

  59. And pretty, athletic, musical, good handwriting by toddhisattva · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...and CIOs are also, each and every special one of them, pretty and/or handsome, excellent athletes, superb musicians, and they have beautiful handwriting!

    (This article is more self-serving than most political rallies....)

  60. Pretty Obvious by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

    ... the failure of more CIOs to become CEO

    Clearly it's I before E *except* after C. Duh

  61. Poor Premise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article rests on Tom Peters' criteria for a CEO. The problem is, Peters made up the 8 criteria first and then fit the data he had (there was also a supposed "admission" in Fast Company Magazine in 2001 that he faked some of it) to those 8 criteria. The book's methodology has been thoroughly discredited, so there's not much point in debating why your CIO doesn't fit 8 made-up and kinda vague criteria when we can't really prove any other CEO lives up to them either.

    Your CIO isn't CEO because IT isn't your company's core business. Why doesn't your head groundskeeper get promoted to CEO?

  62. just the way it is by sam991 · · Score: 1

    It's the nature of the beast. If we slashdotters were to take the Myer-Briggs test (sp?), probably 80-90% would be INTP, if not more. And as we know, INTP types are not natural born leaders. A reputable IT guy won't tell you a bold faced lie to your face. A CEO will. They can. They have that mindset.

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  63. Thank God CIOs dont become CEOs by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    IMHO most CIOs are just risk averse bean counters who have given us this Microsoft monopoly, completely ignoring Microsoft monopoly. The standard making body is working on Open Document specification and MS is poisoning it by incorporating "reproduce all my bugs exactly the same way I did way back in 1995" as the standar spec. All these CIOs are sitting on their butts, plotting and scheming and playing palace intrigue in corporate HQ. Why should they become CEOs?

    Think about it, if the Fortune 500 companies each chip in $100,000 and institute a Document Exchange Format and Protocols Institute and write the spec and own the spec and level the playing field for all their IT vendors, they can reap enormous benefits. Competition benefits the consumer. They are the consumer. They should encourage competition. Thank God, these bunch of morons dont often become the CEOs.

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    1. Re:Thank God CIOs dont become CEOs by killjoe · · Score: 1

      Bingo. I certainly have never worked for any CIO which possessed those wonderful qualities in the summary. They tend to be accountants by and large and are usually pretty ignorant of technology.

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  64. Re:That's easy by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Politicans are there to fill a role we as society asked them to fill by creating it, wielding power we gave them by our continued participation.

    Part of the answer involves making them obsolete as a role.

    The general idea I have is to:

    a) allow people to vote on every issue if they wish, and give them the necessary transparency of process to allow them to do so to the best of their abilities.

    b) allow people to delegate their vote to anyone they trust, not just those who signed up on the ballot.

    c) allow those who have votes delegated to them (ie they were voted for) to cast their vote on issues the same way before, but add the weight of their personal electorate to their votes.

    d) allow people to revoke their vote for a person any time they feel their values are being betrayed by those they elected, allowing them to either cast it themselves or re-assigning it to someone else.

    This deals with the two major issues facing modern democratic process:

    1) Sometimes there's no one to vote for that you trust but they get to speak for you anyways regardless of if you vote or not.

    2) Sometimes the person you voted for betrays you and you have no way to remove from them the power of your support for several years without overthrowing the system.

    Like I said... I'm still working on it...

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  65. Different skill set by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

    It's like saying brain surgeons are smart. You have to be smart to fly a plane. So, why aren't all brain surgeons pilots?

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    1. Re:Different skill set by r1_97 · · Score: 1

      "It's like saying brain surgeons are smart. You have to be smart to fly a plane. So, why aren't all brain surgeons pilots?"

      Too many are as are other MDs who have the $$ and share a superior self (I can do anything) image. Read the statistics on private pilot accidents.

  66. I'm amazed he's amazed by mschuyler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    CEO's (should be) are outward focused. They steer the ship where, if they are correct, it is supposed to be to return the most value, blah blah. That's their job and their responsibility. It's not just about the product, but also about regulatory and personnel issues, accounting, and competition, all significant hazards to be avoided. Yes, of course it's about "the customer," but not in the belly-button staring sense most customers think. "The customer is always right" means the customer knows what he or she wants to buy (including services and treatment) therefore the corporation must produce products and services and treatment that the customer will buy in advance of their doing so, in the hopes that they will, e.g. iPhone.

    The CIO, on the other hand, is very inward focused or, if recently enlightened, certainly has an inward focused background. It's about code and deadlines and infrastructure support. These are the guys who oil the pumps and valves that keep that whonking 100,000 HP steam engine in the bowels of the ship working. They don't stear the ship. They don't decide where it's going to go. They don't even have to know the mission. They are responsible for making sure it gets there in good shape. In many cases, they don't even have time to go above deck and look outside.

    It is very rare for an engineering officer to make Admiral, even rarer for a supply officer or personnel officer, or, for that matter, a medical officer or JAG. These are all support roles, and if you've done your homework, you KNOW THAT IN ADVANCE. Admirals come from the surface warfare officer community or, in the case of carriers, through the aviation route. It's the same in the army: Schwarzkopf was an Infantry Officer, not a technician, who, incidentally, in the lower ranks is ALWAYS subservient to an infantryman of the same rank.

    If a potential CIO is interested in doing the CEO thing, the best thing for him or her to do is make sure he or she gains significant experience outside the CIO ladder. A significant stint in accounting, personnel, or an "assistant to the CEO" type position will show significantly in the bid to become CEO. Narrowly focusing on just IT will never get you to the Board Room.

    I know many of you don't like this. From an idealistic point of view, it's "wrong." because, as anyone here knows, IT people are the smartest, sharpest people ever to walk the planet who KNOW how the world works, REALLY. They deserve to become CEO, and if they don't, there's something wrong with the system, not them, and certainly not their attitude. But as a Board Member (or head hunter) I'm not really interested in whether you know C++ or even if you have managed to keep the servers online 24x7. (Can you imagine a bid for CEO: "I know C++ and Open Source is the way to go and Linux is cool and Bill Gates is an idiot capitalist pig dog.") The fact that you are a proven manager of infrastructure issues is great. That's what is expected of you. Keep doing that. Swap out my PC any time you want. But I want someone who knows precisely where the ship is going for CEO.

    The bottom line is that there's a heirarchy out there that exists in every walk of life. Laws to fix heirarchy are artificial; the heirarchy is still there. If you are not the CEO then either you didn't want to be (not always a bad thing?) or you screwed up in your perception of what was necessary to get you there. Whining about it is not going to "fix" anything. Perhaps a little introspection will.

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    1. Re:I'm amazed he's amazed by hxnwix · · Score: 1

      From an idealistic point of view, it's "wrong." because, as anyone here knows, IT people are the smartest, sharpest people ever to walk the planet who KNOW how the world works, REALLY. They deserve to become CEO, and if they don't, there's something wrong with the system, not them, and certainly not their attitude. Is that a meme?

      Swap out my PC any time you want... The bottom line is that there's a heirarchy Nobody is suggesting that low-level techs ought to be made CEOs. The guys we are talking about manage large numbers of people and are aware of the business situation. This awareness is essential - without it, they would have no clue what impact their decisions have upon the business as a whole. They would be unable to make business cases for the strategies they pitch and, being without understanding of the relationship between the tech and the business, totally unable to make informed choices. As you descend the heirarchy beneath the CIO, you encounter people with the luxury of being narrow minded.

      Putting aside trollish prejudice, I do honestly wonder whether CEOs tend to have more crossover tech knowledge than CIOs have business knowledge. Both ought to have an educated appreciation of the other's concerns if they hope to effectively run their company...

      Taking that prejudice back up, perhaps the more practical question is: when the CEO was schmoozing future board members at Wharton, Harvard, Yale or Princeton, where was the CIO? I always hear that social networking is really, actually - forget-all-that-other-stuff - business leaders' #1 skill and priority...
    2. Re:I'm amazed he's amazed by DerekLyons · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      It is very rare for an engineering officer to make Admiral, even rarer for a supply officer or personnel officer, or, for that matter, a medical officer or JAG.

      In fact - there are Flag positions for each and every one of the specialty branches. (Supply, Personell, Medical and JAG.) In submarines *every* Admiral has been an engineer - since you have to have been an engineer to become a CO.
       
       
      These are all support roles, and if you've done your homework, you KNOW THAT IN ADVANCE. Admirals come from the surface warfare officer community or, in the case of carriers, through the aviation route.

      That would explain why Submarine Squadrons are commanded by Admirals - as are Groups, and both COMSUBPAC and COMSUBLANT. Every one of them submarine officers - not SWO's.
       
      Or, in short - you haven't a clue how the USN works.
    3. Re:I'm amazed he's amazed by bar-agent · · Score: 1

      Doesn't the submarine fleet operate by entirely different rules and customs than the rest of the Navy?

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    4. Re:I'm amazed he's amazed by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      So far as customs go, yes. So far as rules go, only somewhat.

    5. Re:I'm amazed he's amazed by mce · · Score: 1

      They don't even have to know the mission.

      You could not possibly be more wrong on this one. I can only hope you're not a (candidate) manager (let alone CIO or CEO) yourself.

      The IT architecture has to be perfectly aligned with the company's mission and strategy. If it's not, it's a just problem waiting to happen! If the misalignment is major, it's a disaster waiting to happen.

      Besides, everyone in the company must know the mission!

  67. We're all gonna die? by Vraylle · · Score: 4, Funny

    Since IQ is based upon median intelligence (100 = median), wouldn't the list continue to expand as the lower end is knocked off and the median rises? Or is this the clever joke you were constructing? The only way to stay alive would be to maintain vastly more intelligence than the next most intelligent person, but that would only work until you're the last person alive, at which point your IQ would be 100 (based on a sample size of one) and you'd have to jump off a building. Or somesuch...gah!

    Now I have a headache, thanks a lot.

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    1. Re:We're all gonna die? by Knetzar · · Score: 1

      But if it's the median intelligence of everyone in the world, and our society only kills those that belong to the society with an IQ under 120, then we will continue to survive.

    2. Re:We're all gonna die? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect anyone who thinks it's a good idea to kill off everyone with an IQ less than 130 is not as wise as he thinks he is.

    3. Re:We're all gonna die? by McFadden · · Score: 2, Funny
      I suspect anyone who thinks it's a good idea to kill off everyone with an IQ less than 130 is not as wise as he thinks he is.
      I dunno. It would remove the president, the majority of his administration and most of the people who voted him in, in a single stroke. I can see the merits.
  68. Because of lunch by popo · · Score: 1

    No seriously. CIO's can't do martini lunches.

    Think that's a friviolous comment? You haven't worked around senior management.

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  69. According to Dogbert... by Zaatxe · · Score: 1

    ... promotions to managerial positions is the way Nature has found to take morons from the productive chain.

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  70. Isn't It Obvious? by dcw3 · · Score: 1

    Seriously, CIOs generally come with a tech background. To be CEO, you need to know how to make money, because that's what Wall Street demands. And in the real world, your typical publicly traded high tech company isn't really about high tech, it's about profits. You don't often get that kind of experience with a CIO on your way up the ladder to CIO, while the VPs in sales and finance do. Sure there are exceptions, but I don't think we'd need a study to figure out the obvious here. I mean really, how often does the VP of HR, or facilities get to become CEO?...sheesh.

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    1. Re:Isn't It Obvious? by micromuncher · · Score: 1

      Making money is not a precursor to being CEO. "Proven track record" usually means being in a similar (or slightly lesser ie Pres,VicePres) position. There are many CEOs in place in 500 companies that have NO record of consistant increases in shareholder value. In fact, I bet you would find a majority of them in the opposite position.

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  71. How about the obvious? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    The CIO position has been around for less time than the CFO and other positions. CEOs are often taken from people that served EVP/CxO level for a few years, and CIOs are still new. Give it a generation and ask the question again.

  72. I'm suprised no one has mentioned Bill Gates. by HardWoodWorker · · Score: 1

    Hmm, many of you have stated how engineers are often inferior businessmen, but Microsoft, the world's most successful software company (IMO) has been run by one of its former programmers for many years. Apple, WalMart, and Microsoft are run by very technical individuals. Being a good CIO doesn't necessarily make you a good CEO, but having the traits we idealize in an engineer has lead to the most successful companies in the modern era because they exploited technology to their benefit. I'll pick a competent visionary any day to a good salesman.

  73. Re:For the same reason F&A VPs don't become CE by Trojan35 · · Score: 1

    Parent is right. This is why most CFO's or CAO's don't become CEO's.

  74. Why would they? by tthomas48 · · Score: 1

    Even though Wall Street likes to say that CEOs have some quality that is in high demand, we all know that quality can be summed up completely with the word "connections". They have no skills. To be a CEO is to have well placed family members or friends. Look at what happens when a CEO gets fired. They generally temporarily put another employee of the company in charge, until they can find another jackass with well placed family members or friends, they almost never promote from within. You don't get promoted to CEO. The only way to get into the CEO game without highly connected family members or friends is to start your own company. And small companies don't generally have CIOs. So that should answer your question.

    1. Re:Why would they? by micromuncher · · Score: 1

      Not everyone on a board is affluent and connected. Many boards the CIO position is stocked with the senior IT guy as company transitioned from small to large. Once in the CIO position, pretty much your connections become other CIOs and marketing/research thunk tanks.

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    2. Re:Why would they? by tthomas48 · · Score: 1

      Yes. I only said that CEO's were affluent and connected. That's why very C-level people move into the CEO position even though that would seem like a logical step.

  75. The answer is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CEOs are taller and have better hair. CIOs are short and generally balding. EVERYBODY knows short, balding men (and women) don't make good CEOs!

  76. The King Does Not Rule by SilentDissonance · · Score: 1

    For some, there is more power in the '2nd Seat' as it were. The old adage is that the King does not rule, rather, the closest advisor(s) rule, by feeding the King the information and suggestions that will best influence a decision toward the direction the advisor wants. This insulates them from anything that actually goes wrong, as they simply advised, it was the King that decided.

  77. I'll tell you why... by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

    Because we're too busy making the company work to spend all our time golfing and attending social functions.

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  78. insufficient ignorance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My guess is CIOs tend to have at least a passing familiarity with reality, which disqualifies them for the CEO role.

  79. Re:Who does the picking? by OmegaBlac · · Score: 1

    Will someone please mod the parent up and mod down the grand parent. His information is flat out wrong and it is obvious he has no understanding of how a corporation is ran.

  80. Re:For the same reason F&A VPs don't become CE by VWJedi · · Score: 1
    Also, I put forth that you don't need superior Sales and Market if you have a high quality product. I have never seen a single advertisement for Pez, yet those things sell like... well, like candy. Even the tie-ins with comics or games or movies don't get any advertising from Pez themselves.

    Maybe they're just not spending their marketing dollars on the consumer. They know that if you put a rack of Pez dispensers in the supermarket checkout line, they will sell a bunch of them. So they probably spend their marketing resources making sure they every supermarket has them in every checkout line.

    I know from my time in retail that some vendors expend a lot of resources selling their product to retailers and working with retail salespeople.

  81. MBA's also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't know why IT types are locked out, but having an MBA is no guarantee either. Check it out, you can count the number of MBA's running Fortune 500's on one hand.

  82. Re:For the same reason F&A VPs don't become CE by silentounce · · Score: 1

    From what I know, this whole line of thought is wrong. If you look at the CEOs of the Fortune 500, the majority of them were CFOs or CAOs with a lot of COOs thrown in. I don't know where this prevalent thought that marketing and sales become CEOs comes from. Maybe in certain industries this is true.

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  83. Bingo! by Medievalist · · Score: 1
    ...the failure of more CIOs to become CEO has to be one of the biggest mysteries of our age
    It's only a mystery to the sort of schmuck that actually aspires to be a CEO.

    Many geeks aspire to be rich, famous, or powerful. Achieving this without becoming a manager - especially without becoming a CEO - is success, you fail when you have to resort to sleazy trades like sales or management in order to acheive your end goals.

  84. SarbOx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who wants to be a CEO of a publicly traded company with THAT monster around?

  85. Two Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Michael Capellas. When I worked in IT at Compaq, he was my bosses boss. Makes a good case for not having tech people as CEO. he was a very nice guy though.

  86. CIO's are'nt greedy, conniving, backstabbers.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The three I listed above are what it takes I guess nowandays to make a good CEO. Granted there are some good CEO's out there, and rarely do they get what they deserve. There has been many articles about it on msn money as well. A CIO's job nature is built on trust, and CEO's do whatever it takes possibly to get where they are. A CIO simply does'nt strive to be CEO because of these facts.

  87. Simple, it's because by Anna+Merikin · · Score: 1

    The answer is simple. It is because 70-95 per cent of a CEO's job involves sales, sales promotion, or just plain promotion (leadership, goal-setting, etc.) CIOs are usually not charismatic enough to do well in the top sales role.

    Note: 70-95 per cent of all statistics are made up on the spot.

    1. Re:Simple, it's because by micromuncher · · Score: 1

      It is arguable to get CIO you need a lot of charisma because the rest of a board doesn't allow introverted tech weenies into the circle. Affuence is everything.

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  88. It's the money. by Moosetafa · · Score: 1

    Our CIO's job is to do the bidding of the CFO. CIO's policies do not aid the forward progress of the company through technology, but act to hold IT costs to the CFO's predetermined target of 2% of revenues. CIO has promoted outsourcing to the point where no project can get done in a timely manner anymore, which means competitors can beat us to market more easily.

    CIO is just a puppet of CFO. Puppets don't become CEOs.

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  89. Re:That's easy by OldeTimeGeek · · Score: 1
    I think you need to spend a bit more time...

    b) How 'bout if the person isn't qualified for the office (non-citizen, ex-felon, non-resident, termed-out, etc.)? Should the "people's choice" be elected anyway?

    d)Hmmm. Rescinding votes. How far back can we go with this? If someone who voted for a bill that has already become law and rescinding that vote changes the outcome, will that earlier vote stand and, if not, will the law be invalidated? If you're from West Virginia, this'd be endless fun! Robert Byrd has been a Senator since 1958 - think of all of the legislation that you'd get the chance to review: the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and every other anti-discrimination law. The Americans with Disabilities Act. Sarbanes-Oxley. You could even vote to impeach President Clinton (he voted Not Guilty)!

  90. Re:That's easy by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

    Someone who has forged themselves into CIO material is most likely not going to be very good or happy at the CEO job for that reason. They require different personality strengths.

    I was with you clear up until you called the dishonesty of the CEO a "personality strength". This must be some strange meaning of the word strength of whick I have not previously been aware.

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  91. Good CEOs are CIOs in systemic companies by DrEspenA · · Score: 1

    I found May's utterances utterly superficial and very old-fashioned. First of all, though not many CEOs come from the post as CIO, many top executives have had a stint in the IT part of the organization, learning about what the technology does and how to think about the company as a value producing system. As for the use of Peters and Waterman's book as a sort of criteria for what constitutes a good CEO, that is laughable - the book refers to companies, not CEOs. And it has been utterly debunked many times.

    May's article would have been right on about 10 years ago. Back then, the reason CIOs did not make it into the top spot (in fact, 40% of CIOs were fired, and the average tenure was about 2.3 years) was because they did not understand that the skills that got you into the top IT position were not the skills that would keep you there.

    In CSC, we conducted a survey of CIOs in the top 1000 corporations in the world, and got a surprising result: Of the 40% of CIOs that were fired, only a few were fired for "not producing cost-effective IT". The rest went because they could not communicate with the top management group, were ineffective change agents, or could not contribute to business strategy development. In other words, when you are a CIO in a large corporation, you are no longer the IT organization's representative into top management, but the other way around. If you cannot make the transition to thinking about the whole company as a system, you are toast.

    There are actually quite a few companies where technical competence is visible in top management. Royal Bank of Scotland comes to mind, with one of the most effective IT strategies in the world. At RBS, a central "manufacturing division" handles transactions, IT, HR, and call centers, leaving the branch network - and they have more than 50 brands - to serve customers and grow the business. UPS, Wal-Mart, Amex, Wells Fargo, Royal Bank of Canada, some of the large airlines, Dell, quite a number of telcos, some insurance companies (I particularly like a German one called AMB which runs many insurance companies off the same systems) and many others have top management that understand the impact of IT and think of the whole company as a system. Does that mean that they come from the position as CIO? Not necessarily, though some of them do.

    Being a CIO is about information, not IT. For that, you have a CTO or a CIO office that handles the technical pieces. Most of the top CIOs I know worry about the customers and the customer experience. One CIO of a large hotel chain I met worried about the speed of the in-room Internet connection - and whether the ventilation in the bathroom was good enough that you could shave after taking a shower without the mirror getting fogged up.

    IT is a tool. It is an important tool, but it is what it does for the customer that matters. And the role of the IT organization is not to make IT elegant - it is to make business elegant. If the tools happen to be boring and the CIO not very visible - so what?

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  92. Re:Chairman and CEO? by mpapet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You seem to be under the mistaken impression that there are many corporations where the chairman and ceo are separate.

    Furthermore:
    1. The shares of stock in a corporation that have the ability to vote is usually a separate class of stock. Please examine your stock certificates carefully!
    2. Major chunks of voting blocks of stock are held by select few in the average corporation. General meetings are practically meaningless.
    3. Corporate charters typically forbid the collection of more than a meaningless block of voting shares. Certainly not enough to control a seat on a board.
    4. Finally, a corporation that actually would cede control to public markets is the surest sign of an imminent valuation death spiral. This is one reason insider trading is followed so closely.

    Textbook examples of corporate governance are that. They have nothing to do with real life. Sadly, you and the moderators believe that's how it actually works.

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  93. My Bent... by micromuncher · · Score: 1

    Speaking as a CTO that moved into a COO role (not of a fortune 500 company)...

    CIO/CTO roles are often staffed with technical people. CEO/CFO positions are often staffed with "business" people, more to the point, business people that have affluence. Now affluence is a tricky thing. More often than not, it means you come from money, you are connected with money, you went to an Ivy League school, and participate in organizations to where affluence festers.

    I was specifically told by a CFO (CMA in background) that shareholders would never accept me as CEO because I came from a technical school; regardless of how well I knew the business. In a public company, after all, it is the shareholders that elect officers that the previous management/boards put forward. Typically the majority shareholders, the ones that count, are big financial institutions and/or trusts (comprised of that festering pot of affluent people.)

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    1. Re:My Bent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      >I was specifically told by a CFO (CMA in background) that shareholders would never accept me as CEO because I came from a technical school;

      Be successful enough that when you aspire to a CEO position, you can do so by buying preferred stock. Then you don't have to take crap from "shareholders" as though they are some separate class.

      Most CEO's are where they are, in part, due to a substantial personal investment and vested interest in the corporation.

    2. Re:My Bent... by micromuncher · · Score: 1

      Most? I disagree. Its unusual at a f500 the CEO was there long enough to get free trading, voting stock. And when they are there, they often get restricted shares that they can't do much with until they leave because the FTC would crap all over them. As a director, you're considered an insider, so any attempt at buying stock needs paperwork delivered to the FTC...

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  94. evasperates?? by pdxguy · · Score: 0

    New word? A combination of exasperate and evaporates? Meaning to... exasperate until nothing left?

    1. Re:evasperates?? by SlowEmotionReplay · · Score: 1

      Evasperates is a perfectly cromulent word.

  95. Why Don't More CIOs Become CEO? by virtualthinker · · Score: 1

    Surviving the corporate culture is just like any of the survivor games ... The inferior competition votes off those most likely to survive first, to improve their own chance of survival. Ask anyone who has been on a show, or just watch one of the series. Also explains why it seems a bunch of dummies are always trying and failing to run the world.

  96. Re:That's easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who would actually create the laws that are voted on?

  97. CIO's don't get to be CEO's because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... they don't have good hair.

  98. Re:That's easy by Chicken04GTO · · Score: 1

    "The job of a CIO is to paint an honest and true picture grounded firmly in reality, and protect it from those who would engage in wishful thinking."


    ORLY?

    You're new to IT, aren't you?

  99. Mod Parent Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funniest thing I've heard all day.

  100. Re:That's easy by CrazedWalrus · · Score: 1

    "strength" != "virtue"

    Someone can be a good liar, but that's not a good thing. Get it?

  101. maybe because ... by constantnormal · · Score: 1

    ... most CIOs are NOT "smart, hardworking, supremely aware"?

  102. CEO = Head Marketing Turd by captainwasabi · · Score: 1

    IT guys are too grounded in reality to take up the bullsh*t marketing crap that a CEO has to do.

  103. Re:That's easy by jesuscyborg · · Score: 1
    [...] the only solution is to kill all the people with IQs below 120, maybe even 130.
    Considering median IQ scores and the size of bell curves amongst different genders and ethnic groups, you'd end up in a world full of Jewish/Asian men. Enjoy!
  104. CIO HA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most CIO's couldnt insert a floppy/cd without help. And the FIRST M$crap saleman through the door gets the Contract. They Never ask their tech's what their opinion is! Just ask the IT staff for the State of Alaska. The Governor and his CIO Bud singlehandedly ordered a 6 mointh push to decommission all in place Tech and replace it with ALL Microsoft Solutions And ordered it done before he left office (He was voted out by his Costituents for suspected kickbacks?) And now these are the guys we want running the Company? If they cannot make a "Informed decision" in IT how are they gonna do it on a Top dog Level?

  105. Theatrical? You mean like Special Effects? by Kiaser+Zohsay · · Score: 1

    A big part of being a CEO is what some scholars term the "out-of-body" leadership experience. That is, you have to be bigger than life. You are no longer Joe or Jane SVP; you are something bigger. It is perhaps somewhat ironic that by creating a bit of distance and adding a pinch of the theatrical, we become closer to the business and more likely to end up in the top job. Does this remind anyone of a certain Silicon Vally CEO who is so much "bigger than life", he generates his own Reality Distortion Field(TM)?
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  106. Innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, the obvious solution to this is for colleges and universities to offer courses in innovation, and to require that CIOs have at least a minor in innovation.

  107. THat's easy, wrong degree by Socguy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now I doubt this is going to go over will on /. but when I was in university we noted a - completely non-scientific - pattern that I'll try to sum up as succinctly as possible:

    'Those who want to work for someone else go into engineering/IT; those who want others to work for them go into the arts.'

    If you don't believe me go check out the Forbes 500 richest people list and see how many of them either dropped out or have liberal arts degrees. http://www.forbes.com/lists/2003/02/26/billionaire land.html

    Now excuse my while I go round up some flame-retardant clothing.

    S.

  108. the answer is right there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "most are smart, hardworking, supremely aware of how the business works and increasingly savvy regarding the workings of external customers' minds "

    What part of that sounds like a CEO?

  109. Re:For the same reason F&A VPs don't become CE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > I have lots of misgivings about this,

    you do? Then you can always vote with your feet and stay true to yourself.

  110. CIOs vs other executives by gamer4Life · · Score: 1

    Information technology doesn't take part in revenue generation for most companies, and is viewed as a necessary cost that needs to be minimized. Marketing, sales, and even finance are viewed as revenue generating areas for businesses.

    Because a business is striving to grow revenue and improve profits, marketing/sales/finance are viewed more highly for business leadership positions. Also, these guys don't do as much work as CIOs, so they have more time to devote to climbing the ladder. Also a significant portion of their jobs is people-related, so they can form more connections, while CIOs spend more of their time keeping up-to-date with new technologies.

  111. Re:That's easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    b:
    The only thing on your list that even makes sense in this scenario is the "non citizen" part. Everything else seems invalid for this suggested form of republican democracy. Ex Felon? Who cares? Non Resident? Again, who cares? _you_ are the resident. You'd be giving him _your_ vote. Term Limits? You think that there would be term limits here? There aren't even TERMS, let alone term limits.

    d:
    Isn't it clear that if you pull your support from somebody that it only applies going forward? I mean, every state in the union has a method for recalling a candidate. It's not exactly rare. Every one works the same in this respect.

    Look, I don't think it's a very good idea. But you seriously look like you just criticized his post for the sake of criticizing.

    Perhaps it's you that should spend a bit more time?

  112. CEO (mis)conceptions by SporkLand · · Score: 1

    I see a lot of people here putting down there (mis)conceptions about what makes a good CEO.

    The book Good to Great describes the research done by Jim Collins (Built to Last), in which he and his team sorted through a list of 1,435 companies. They focused on the filtered down to the companies that managed to transition from Good companies to Great companies. I'll let the amazon info/reviews give you more detail:
    http://www.amazon.com/Good-Great-Companies-Leap-Ot hers/dp/0066620996/

    One interesting point in this book is that the CEOs at the good to great companies are very different from the image of the Big Bad CEO that everyone buys into. A lot of the CEOs were quiet, shy, self-deprecating individuals that managed to take these middling companies and make them grow like gangbusters.

    P.S. reviews mention silver bullets, which triggers some sort of warm fuzzy feeling in my head. hopefully it's not a hemorrhage.

    1. Re:CEO (mis)conceptions by rholland356 · · Score: 1

      As I recall, the average CIO has a tenure of 3 years.

      They clearly are not in the same league as the CEO clan.

  113. You must be kidding me by guruevi · · Score: 1

    Knowing what we know about CIOs -- that is, that most are smart, hardworking, supremely aware of how the business works and increasingly savvy regarding the workings of external customers' minds -- the failure of more CIOs to become CEO has to be one of the biggest mysteries of our age.

    I have never ever seen a CIO with those qualities. If I would become CIO, yes, but not the CIO's I ever worked for. Most of them are just some corporate managers with their heads in their a$$es, believing everything the sales drone for the next best company that presents a nice interface says.
    CIO's deciding to move to Vista as fast as possible, CIO's deciding what company-wide software to implement next (even though all the engineers clearly have a lot of work and the new software doesn't add any value). Aargh.
    I currently work for a very large company so I don't have contact with the C** anymore but I still sometimes wonder what they're smoking.

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  114. Re:That's easy by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

    Any human being who wants to.

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  115. Re:For the same reason F&A VPs don't become CE by fishbowl · · Score: 1

    >If you look at the CEOs of the Fortune 500

    Taking the F5 as a representative sample is flawed. There are many, many corporations. There are only 500 in that sample, and represent only the ones with really big volume. It is not necessary or even realistic to be superlative in order to be successful.

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  116. "I" before "E" except after "C" by rbunker · · Score: 1
    Well,

    I am a CIO right now, of a smallish company (about $50mm revenues projected for this year). I have been CIO of a mid-sized ($1bn revenue) company, and CEO of a small company ($20mm revenue) in the past.

    A CEO, at least of a growth company, simply must be the company's number-one salesperson and cheerleader. He or she has to be quite comfortable with all of the risk and uncertainty of entering markets with bigger entrenched players, and the vicissitudes of everything from economic cycles drying up her capital to global competition changing her value proposition by an order of magnitude in ninety days. The CEO must understand all of these risks intellectually, but frankly a great CEO is at least emotionally oblivious to the risks....always believing in the positive outcome. I was told by my subordinates, that as CEO it was my job to absorb uncertainty.

    It is my experience that most successful CIOs are master contingency planners -- striving to quantify and avoid or mitigate all risks. Further, they are usually serving internal users, rather than paying, external clients who are protected by contracts and able to fire them.

    These two things, in combination, tend to attract people who are not of the cheer leading, external client focused, negotiation oriented, happy to accept rather significant risks everyday mindset that CEOs need.

    I think I was a really good CEO. But if I were a VC investing in a company, except in a very few unusual circumstances, I would rather hire a sales & marketing oriented CEO than myself. There are thousands of companies with great products and services, and the difference between success or failure is PURELY in getting the market to accept and pay for their stuff.

    Rick.

  117. Gimme a break! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's already bad enough that they run an IT department. :p

    In all seriousness though, why do people think that a CEO job is just a growth path in a corporate career?

    Unless its an IT business, what would make a CIO qualified to run the show? Or by the same token, a CFO, General Councel, etc. if the companies business is not respectively financial services, legal services, or whatever else the guy or girl's background is.

    And than I don't want to get started about the MBA types...

    Anyone feeling left out???
    I guess if you didn't get the point by know you should qualify to be/become the CEO of your current company. I just hope that it is not part of my portfolio.

  118. Re:Who does the picking? by vinn01 · · Score: 1

    "Members of the board themselves are elected by the general meeting of shareholders"

    That is a pipe dream. In most cases, board vacancies are fill at the recommendation of other board members before a shareholder meeting. New board members are chosen from corporate social networks.

    At the next annual election, the new members are put on the ballot and voted into office. Almost 99.9999% of the time, board supported candidates are voted on to the board.

  119. Re:For the same reason F&A VPs don't become CE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    betamax was NOT superior at the time of its demise.
    Google and get it right.

  120. Depends on the business by BCW2 · · Score: 1

    If it's an engineering company (TRW, Martin, Boeing...) then an engineer needs to be CEO. He is the one that knows the processes, product, and most important, the customers. In an IT company the same thing holds true, that same level of knowledge, that is the guy or gal that can grow the business. Making someone the CEO from an area that doesn't know those things has been proven a disaster in the past. Classic example: Ford making an accountant CEO. What did Robert MacNamara do for Ford? The Edsel! He was such a disaster there that Kennedy made him Secretary of Defense and he ran the Vietnam war, oh, another disaster!

    The CEO of any company needs to be someone from the core business of that company (or one like it) that has a true understanding of the business and the customers. Look at what has happened to companies over the last 5 years, the ones that have been successful and the ones that got in trouble, where did the CEO's come from? The largest number of problems were the companies that brought someone in from a different industry.

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  121. CIO is a worthless title anyway... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    CIO is an overly-important title anyway. Fifty years ago it would be "head of the secretarial pool".

    His (or her) job is frequently to buy and babysit the computer systems and not lose the data. The rest of the company does the (to borrow a Glengarry phrase) "man's work" of designing, financing, building, marketing and selling the products/services. If I was going to put someone in charge of my company, I'd want someone with background in those areas. A career-IT "CIO" wouldn't be anywhere near my list.

  122. Because CIO's Aren't "Operators" by aquatone282 · · Score: 1

    I mean "operators" in the military context, i.e. the people who shoot the weapons at the enemy.

    You won't find a single Chief of Staff in any branch of the U.S. Armed Forces who made their careers in the Logistics/Communications/Medical fields. Why? Because they have little experience performing their organization's primary mission: killing the enemy.

    The same holds true in the private sector, although I think the heirarchy is less rigid and its easier for folks to cross career boundaries in the civilian world, but the person you want in the top spot is the one who knows how to make a profit, not outfit a data center.

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  123. Re:Who does the picking? by DragonWriter · · Score: 1
    AFAEK [wikipedia.org], the Board hires a CEO to run the company. Members of the board themselves are elected by the general meeting of shareholders.


    In theory, sure. In practice, its not so clean. In fact, this is noted in one of the Wikipedia articles linked to the one that you linked, the one on corporate governance, in its section on the Anglo-American model of governance:

    The board of directors is nominally selected by and responsible to the shareholders, but the bylaws of many companies make it difficult for all but the largest shareholders to have any influence over the makeup of the board; normally, individual shareholders are not offered a choice of board nominees among which to choose, but are merely asked to rubberstamp the nominees of the sitting board. Perverse incentives have pervaded many corporate boards in the developed world, with board members beholden to the chief executive whose actions they are intended to oversee.


  124. that old saw - CIO stands for by Occam's+Electric · · Score: 1

    "Career Is Over"

  125. Re:That's easy by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

    I was with you clear up until you called the dishonesty of the CEO a "personality strength". This must be some strange meaning of the word strength of whick I have not previously been aware.

    I was referring to the fact that they have the ability to see into the minds of their fellow and know what motivates them.

    Being able to rally others to your cause is a strength.

    Knowing how to present something that is true and reasonable in a way that focuses on what aspects relate to the listener rather than presenting a set of facts and presupposing that the target will have a "eureka" moment is where the difference lies, I would say.

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  126. Because They're So Full of Hot Air... by littlewink · · Score: 1

    that they ascend into the clouds, never to be seen again, before they can be promoted.

    This is a good thing, most IT personnel agree

  127. Re:That's easy by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

    Ah, ok, I misread you:

    The job of a CEO is to paint a glowing and radiant picture firmly grounded in the hopes and dreams of investors, and protect it from those who would engage in critical thinking. The person who becomes a CEO is the person who has made it their lifes work to understand what others want and convince them it is just around the next bend, thus eliciting their ongoing co-operation.

    I saw this as being dishonest- mainly because I'm not motivated that way. I want the full picture, and without it, I have a tendency to choose my priorities wrong. Drives my management crazy.

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  128. A couple things to keep in mind... by multimediavt · · Score: 1

    I'm about to become part of the management team of a biotech startup. I will report to the Chief Technology Officer (CTO as CIO was co-opted by the Chief Investment Officer in some circles) as the VP of Engineering. Now, my soon-to-be-boss isn't CEO for one simple reason. He doesn't want the job! CEOs are for the most part engaged in business development activities from morning until night seven days a week. Their job for the most part is to represent the company to investors, high-powered clients, and to other companies' CEOs. Beyond that role, they are the top of the literal management pyramid and are supposed to provide strategic direction and vision for the corporation while (in the case of public companies) reporting activities to the company's Board of Directors and share holders.

    Granted, work is a relative term. If you've ever worked as a representative of your organization at a major tradeshow in a booth for several hours a day you know that glad handing and interacting with potential investors and clients is very physically and mentally demanding. Now think of doing that 8 - 16 hours a day, every day and that covers a lot of what it's like to be a CEO. Add to that the fact that you have somebody constantly hustling you from one place to another to meet countless people and then have to remember them all, what they said, and where they work, etc. and you've got one hell of a demanding position in a company. Some CEOs are better at their jobs than others. Some are more hands on than others. Some are *COMPLETE* morons! But, their job is *NOT* easy to be successful at.

  129. Re:That's easy by nasch · · Score: 1
    d)Hmmm. Rescinding votes. How far back can we go with this?
    I took it as rescinding your proxy so that that person can no longer vote in your behalf in the future. Past votes would not be affected. Then again, it's not my idea! I like it, though I doubt it will ever happen.
  130. Re:For the same reason F&A VPs don't become CE by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Boards NEED someone at the top of the company who understands what Sales and Marketing NEED. After all, no matter how superior your product is *cough*betamax*cough* if it does not sell, your company goes down the tubes.

    And if you company doesn't have a product to sell, the salesmen don't bring in much profit.

    Needed, balance is.

    (but you're doing a good job of presenting the Business Caste side of the argument)

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  131. Fortune 500 CIO's are Geeks? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    It may be that they seriously enjoy working more directly with IT than with the business of the business they are working for.
    We wouldn't be geeks if we didn't enjoy working with the new equipment.


    Do you really know of any Fortune 500 CIO's who are geeks and not MBA's with some exposure to IT?

    I'm not saying they aren't there, but I just haven't ever heard of one. I'll go scan the BusinessWeek back issues, if anybody has good recommendations, to learn how a geek managed to break through the technical caste ceiling.

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    1. Re:Fortune 500 CIO's are Geeks? by humblecoder · · Score: 1

      Hear Hear!!!

      It seems like people on this board view the CIO as being the top techie guru of the company. The truth is that the role of the CIO is a MANAGEMENT role and NOT a technical role.

      Sure the CIO probably needs to have a little bit of a clue about technology, but they definitely need to have a BIG clue about finance and management in order to approve the expenditure of millions, if not billions, of dollars of IT spending.

  132. CIO? by The+Fink · · Score: 1

    Doesn't CIO stand for Career Is Over? Wouldn't that explain why so few end up as CEOs?

  133. What Ego by Hercules+Peanut · · Score: 1

    Knowing what we know about CIOs -- that is, that most are smart, hardworking, supremely aware of how the business works Boy, we certainly have a high opinion of ourselves, don't we?

    Here's what I know about CIOs (present employer excluded, which is unique):
    1. They are religious fanatics when it comes to platforms. If it's MS or IBM, great! Anything else, don't waste my time. Want proof, look at market share. The old saying "nobody gets fired for buying IBM wasn't created by CEOs.
    2. Every day you can see the the IT department empty out at about 4pm. They get to work later and leave earlier than most.
    3. They often have no clue what the business does or wants but are absolutely certain that they can find the right technological solution regardless.

    Of course I could be wrong about all of this. Perhaps none of it is true. Still, that perception alone would answer the question posed.
  134. they have different specialties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i would hire a cio to improve efficiency (more profit). i would hire a ceo to sell a product (more profit).

    the current balance of power is such that selling trumps efficiency pretty much everywhere except mature markets/companies.

  135. Re:For the same reason F&A VPs don't become CE by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

    CEO's come from a company's profit centers- sales and marketing.

    So why not the other profit centers, like Engineering?

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  136. Cost center vs. Profit Center by wasted · · Score: 1
    ..The classification of certain areas of the business as "cost centers" and others as "profit centers" is crude in that it does not take into account the interdependence of the business units and their ability to increase profits or reduce losses in seemingly unrelated units...

    It pretty much has to be a one-or-the-other type of designation to make accounting easier. Everyone is supposed to keep costs low, but cost centers aren't expected to generate a profit. Cost centers costs are usually allocated to profit centers, and the profit centers have to generate enough revenue to cover the costs they generate plus their allocated costs.

    I have worked at places where cost-allocation was totally screwed, and the cost-center/profit-center model was barely within the grasp of the executives. One place even managed to have a portion of one profit center's salaries allocated to a different profit center. Guess which profit center looked better on that company's paper?

    Even if IT does generate revenue, the credit will probably fall elsewhere. For instance, if marketing comes up with a web campaign, and IT is responsible for making the web page and backend to ensure that someone visiting the page is aware of and able to purchase the product, those responsible for the sales campaign and fulfilling the orders will likely get the credit. The good news is that IT isn't responsible for ideas that aren't profitable, and won't be penalized for a failure.

    Overall, you are right that the current naming scheme is crude. Unfortunately, those who end up running businesses haven't come up with something better. Given the current paradigms of big business that reward sales vice analytical thinking, I don't foresee a change anytime soon.
  137. Because. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because most CIOs are idiots. They interview, make claims of better this, better that and I'll cut costs xx% and get hired. Upon hiring, the first statements are everything is a disaster and worse than I thought. They then make everything worse, cut the good people or the good people leave, everything goes to SH%T and then cut and run before the people who hired them realize what's going on. The people who hired them figure they left because they got a better offer and repeat the process. I'm seeing another one of these occur now. I'm assuming the CIO will be leaving right around year's end or just afterwards. He's moved the "internal" support out of the country where the people barely speak English. I was on hold yesterday for 20 minutes waiting for a support person and fortunately by then the problem had been resolved. Personally, I'd have to believe their IT background was likely they were horrible as developers or systems people and they were shoved out of the way into management and unfortunately were smart enough in the political game to move up.

  138. Define technical by r_jensen11 · · Score: 1

    I find that the most technical people I've met are in Accounting. Sure, engineers and the like can give you physics and scientific information, but it's in the accounting department that holds the glue of the company together. It's the accounting departments that help say what the *company* can do and can't do, rather than what a *product* or *service* can do or can't do. There's a reason why the big accounting firms are so powerful. One of the good points is that they can help management figure out how to maximize the shareholders' ROE. One of the bad points is that it has the capacity to hide very important information from the rest of the world (and even its own department) - Just take a look at the Enron fiasco.

    1. Re:Define technical by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      That's exactly what I'm talking about. Accountants, or rather the CFO and Comptroller, haunt those meetings under a sheet of "boring", but of course their technical specialty is the reason everyone works there. They don't trot out their pets in exec meetings, at least not in the operational terms. They dumb down, oversimplify, lower expectations, and keep everyone away from the money as much as possible.

      By which techniques they get along without concessions, or getting caught up in anyone else's domain where they might get distracted or worse, like take on more operations.

      When technologists learn to keep up appearances of being "normal" like everyone else does, they'll operate more in the boardroom than in the datacenter, and get the power. People will trust them more, fear them less, and those CIOs will become CEOs more often.

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  139. Re:Who does the picking? by TheLink · · Score: 1

    Sounds like many modern Democracies to me :).

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  140. Depends what you want. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

    And it depends on the kind of salesperson. Bill Hicks said it best...

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  141. Re:CIO to CEO, CIO probably spent time outside of by Cederic · · Score: 1

    No, they are supremely aware of how one segment of the business works. An important segment, but still a limited view.

    To be a successful CIO you have to support the business. The entire business. That's much easier to do if you know how the whole business works.

    CIOs have a better view across the business than anybody exception the CFO, and maybe the CEO and COO. Maybe. If they don't, they can not do their job properly.

    I'd rather work for a CIO that knows the business and relies on his direct reports for technical recommendations than a CIO that knows technology and doesn't know the business.

  142. Most CIO's are smart? Riight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most CIO's preside over an overbloated IT department and have an abysmal success rate since about 75% of IT projects are deemed to be failures.

    In the IT shops I've been in (including Fortune 500 companies) they waste enormous amounts of money on
    licenses they don't need, buy ridiculously priced hardware when commodity stuff will work just fine, and are in the stone ages when it comes
    to implementing processes and standards. In any IT shop in the world everyone knows who the slackers are who add zero value, yet they rarely get fired.
    You know who the shitty management is too, yet they are still there going to work tommorrow as a matter of fact.

    CIO's rarely trust their own people and instead get raped by companies like Accenture or IBM Global Services and then wonder what happened.

    You think CIO's are smart? I haven't met one yet that I would hire for my own company.

  143. Re:CIO to CEO, CIO probably spent time outside of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    No, they are supremely aware of how one segment of the business works. An important segment, but still a limited view.


    I am a CIO, and I am looking to make the jump. One of the most critical factors of being a CIO is understanding Business, specifically the business you are in, not just one segment. In order to be proactive, you need to know how sales operates, and you need to be able to show how changes in IT can help sales. You can't just invent something based on the latest technology, you have to to absolutely understand how it can help, and be able to both sell it to the sales head, and make it happen. This takes sales and execution skills, both are critical to a CEO as well. You need to understand each department and how it operates to be successful.

    What I find can be limiting is, as CIO, your network of contacts is not as developed as your typical CEO. You still have contacts, but they are related more on the technical side. You also have less experience dealing directly with external customers. Your external contacts are usually trying to sell you something. If you are up to the challenge and are willing to develop in these areas the jump most certainly can be made.

    My jump will be to a smaller company in the IT field, where my contact network means something. Many of the vendors I have done business with will become my customers. It is a stretch and a challenge, and I will be taking a substantial hit in pay to make this move (the company is much smaller and riskier). That risk will be balanced with potential reward, but nevertheless, my main driving factor for change is that I want to be able to make a greater difference to the bottom line of a company than I can now. I need the challenge, and though a CIO position can certainly be challenging, it is not enough for me anymore.

    After making this move, I will need to develop new skills, but the reason the opportunity is there, is because I have been able to sell myself. Not based on salary but on the board's belief that not only can I get the job done, but I am absolutely the right person to get the job done. A lack of sales experience is certainly a hurdle, but not one that can't be overcome.

  144. You forgot by Martin+S. · · Score: 1


    The executive summary...

  145. the answer is in the article by godless+dave · · Score: 1

    most are smart, hardworking, supremely aware of how the business works and increasingly savvy regarding the workings of external customers' minds


    That's your answer right there. Those four qualities are lacking in most CEOs, and apparently not high on the priority lists of the boards who appoint them.

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  146. Re:That's easy by dk.r*nger · · Score: 1

    This is a bad idea because it fosters populism.

    When politicians can be fired from day to day, not every two or four years, they will be even less likely to embark into the long, rough stretch, doing the Right Thing, even though it doesn't seem very popular.

    You assume that people care much about day-to-day policy. They don't, and quite frankly, even though I'd like to, I don't think that we can change that very significantly. In other words, Oprah, Howard Stern and Tom Cruise would replace 3/4 of congress (or whatever replacement would be in its place).

  147. Knowledge and intelligence are not enough by Archtech · · Score: 1

    CIOs may be very well-informed and very clever, as well as having a good understanding of their company's business and the marketplace in general. In my experience, modern CIOs are quite unlikely to be specially interested in IT as such; it is basic dogma for them that "the business comes first", and they always look to the bottom line (if only because they live or die by it).

    But the qualities that mark a great CIO are not those that are best for leading a company. Remember the research that shows optimists live longer, and do better, than realists? Again in my experience, CEOs tend to be extremely confident - even when such confidence is not warranted by the facts and figures. This sheer exuberance helps them create a favourable impression, and carries people with them regardless of the objective reality.

    That, I think, is one good reason why salespeople tend to become CEOs, while CIOs do not.

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  148. Re:For the same reason F&A VPs don't become CE by CyberLord+Seven · · Score: 1
    Enron!

    Yes, it did eventually die, but look at how long it took and at how much money was stolen/taken/earned.

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  149. Re:For the same reason F&A VPs don't become CE by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Enron!
    Yes, it did eventually die, but look at how long it took and at how much money was stolen/taken/earned.


    Fair enough. My statement was limited to the set of businesses that operate in the realm of sustainability, granted. Dilbert should have taught me better. :)

    The sad part is, as I understand it, Enron had a good little business going before they setup their 700 shell companies. Now, raise your hand if you think that's going to teach a lesson to salespeople to stop selling things that don't exist.

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  150. Re:That's easy by Mike1024 · · Score: 1

    The general idea I have is to [...] allow people to vote on every issue if they wish [...] allow people to delegate their vote to anyone they trust [...] allow people to revoke their vote for a person any time they feel their values are being betrayed by those they elected [...]

    This deals with the two major issues facing modern democratic process:

    1) Sometimes there's no one to vote for that you trust but they get to speak for you anyways regardless of if you vote or not.

    2) Sometimes the person you voted for betrays you and you have no way to remove from them the power of your support for several years without overthrowing the system.


    I find your ideas interesting, but there exist other problems the current system tries to deal with, which your system might restore.

    The Chartists called for several things (you can read the article yourself) and got all except one; they asked for annual elections. The problem with annual elections would be the government wouldn't have time to achieve anything that took longer than a year. Perhaps they need to cut jobs in a government department, causing unemployment and bad publicity, but in the long term the reforms will increase efficiency. Or perhaps it's a project like the 'new deal'. The point being: A constantly shifting government might make long term projects difficult.

    Another problem would be media rule. In the UK, many elections have been won by candidates favoured by the widely read tabloid 'the sun'. It's open to debate whether the newspaper decides the election or if the newspaper just backs the person they think is likely to win. But it serves to illustrate a point: Taking power away from politicians might just put it into the hands of media owners like Rupert Murdoch.

    One other problem might be education. Did you know Only 28% of people have bachelors degrees? Consider an example: Should the minimum wage be raised? (Or lowered, or abolished?) Many people have opinions on this, but most people are less informed than, say, Alan Greenspan. There would be wide-ranging economic impacts to any change to the minimum wage. Day-to-day economic issues like this are complicated and hard to understand - and if the majority of voters were uninformed, their decisions might be bad.

    You might be interested in reading about Athenian democracy. FTA: "It remains a unique and intriguing experiment in direct democracy where the people do not elect representatives to vote on their behalf but vote on legislation and executive bills in their own right." - I'll let you read more about it yourself, but in short it had it's problems - some generals produced unsatisfactory results, and found themselves executed - and when the people later changed their minds, the people who advocated executing the generals were also executed.

    Just my $0.02

    Michael

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