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Canada's Music Lobby Buys Government Access

An anonymous reader writes "Copyfighting law professor Michael Geist, who previously uncovered financial links between recording industry lobbyists and Canada's Minister of Canadian Heritage Bev Oda (who is responsible for copyright policy), has now identified what big cash donations will get you. He reports that Oda met with the President of the Canadian Recording Industry Association on a monthly basis last year just as the government was preparing copyright reform legislation and Canadian artists were calling for an end to P2P lawsuits. Is it any wonder that Canadians seem likely to lose their fair use rights?"

158 comments

  1. Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by tomstdenis · · Score: 3, Funny

    We copy all the best and worse that the US has to offer ... arrrgg ...

    Maybe we'll copy the "DRM is a bad idea" that the 'mericans are coming up with now.

    While we're at it maybe we could import some backbone and tell Quebec to get stuffed... :-)

    Tom

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    1. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by wondersparrow · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Isn't it really too bad that DRM itself is not copyrighted to the point that nobody can share its implimentations or policies?

    2. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by delirium28 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Screw that! I say we let Quebec seperate and then move to Quebec for our pirating needs. While they may be vocal, they are also pretty good at keeping rights alive.

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    3. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Canadians will do what America tells them to do. That's just how it works out.

      Just like the stealthy American Union that Bush and US corporations are secretly spreading through the Americas.

      Here is your reading assignment to get caught up:

      1) http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0701/08/ldt .01.html

      Search for "DOBBS: Tonight, a proposal for an expanded so-called free trade zone"

      2) http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0701/21/ldt w.01.html

      Search for "DOBBS: The Bush administration is pushing, and pushing hard, a partnership among the United States, Mexico and Canada. With a goal of what it calls integration by 2010."

      You have been warned! So don't complain once the Americans are running Canada!

    4. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by neoform · · Score: 1

      Meh, come next elections the liberals will be back in power, they're spineless and will cave under public pressure to get rid of any such drm laws..

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    5. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      BTW, You're under arrest for violating Quebec's language laws. The police with be at your door in a few minutes to fart in your general direction.

      You should know better than advertising Quebec without making French more prominent than English.

    6. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Relax. It's all just a part of the New World Order(tm). Nothing to see here. Move along.

    7. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Miseph · · Score: 1

      While we're at it maybe we could import some backbone and tell Quebec to get stuffed... :-)

      Please do. Quebecois are just like the asinine American stereotype of real French people... only worse... and not actually French. News flash Quebec: If you want to secede from Canada, you'll need to set up your own health care and money independent of the other provinces... I know you like using theirs, but you really can't once you stop paying taxes to Ottawa and they make it a felony to export any significant quantity of $CDN out of the country.

      As for the rest, please accept my sincerest apologies for neo-Conservative politics, the last 20 years of country music, and the film adaptation of "A.I." We suck sometimes.
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    8. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by GreyPoopon · · Score: 2, Insightful
      We copy all the best and worse that the US has to offer...
      Tom - please note that the following is not directed at you...

      Don't go dragging the US into this. This kind of crap goes on in every single government until the citizens of that government do something about it. If you live in a country where you think this doesn't happen, you are either naive or the government doesn't have resort to such tactics because they already have you by the balls. Most government leaders are in office for one of two reason: money or power. Most of them are there for both. Such behavior generally spirals out of control until citizens find a way to harass the perpetrator (maybe through lawsuits) in such a manner that it strikes fear into other politicians, or until there is some sort of uprising that generally results in significant changes to the government that basically reset the situation until it can happen again. Don't believe me? Take a look around at your leaders and their financial situations. How many of them would be considered middle class or lower? How many of them can claim that the greatest portion of their income is from the salary they get as a public servant? Don't get me wrong. There are a few people in politics who really have the citizens in mind, but it's rare.
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    9. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      Actually good point. Sorry I didn't mean to disparage the US there. It just seems quite a few of our bad ideas get media attention first in the US (may not specifically start there) like TSA regulations, DMCA ideas, etc...

      Although now that some industries in the US are taking a non-DRM stance I'd like to see Canada "copy" that :-)

      Tom

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    10. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by phrostie · · Score: 1

      wasn't it a liberal that created the DMCA?

      yeah, i believe it was.

    11. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Weston+O'Reilly · · Score: 1

      Now, when are we here in the States going to import poutine? Mmm... delicious poutine...

    12. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      Poutine is tasty but sick too. Only proper poutine is worth the calories and sodium, not that shit that "New York Fries" sells eegad that's craptastic.

      I wouldn't mind having proper deep dish pizza make it's way north though...

      Maybe some hot san diego ladies too ... :-)

      Tom

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    13. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, cuz after all corruption didn't exist until America invented it..

    14. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by iminplaya · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A REAL liberal would never, ever do such a thing. And neither would a true conservative. Don't let mass media re-write the dictionary, or extremists define your language.

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    15. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      News flash Miseph (Trou-du-cul): Quebec has always had their own health care, if Quebec would be receiving the amount of taxes paid to Ottawa, they would be in better shape financially

      As for using the $CDN, who cares, let's use the Euro? With comments like those, I understand even more Quebecois who wants to separate, but I guess that there are trou-du-cul everywhere (even in the rest of Canada!)!

    16. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Parent comment is NOT offtopic.
      Grandparent comment talks about Quebec preserving rights... Move to Quebec and try to set up a business with an English sign.
      You would be in contravention of the law.

    17. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Jonny_eh · · Score: 2, Informative

      Quebec is terrible with rights. It is illegal in Quebec to put a sign outside your business in anything but the official language, French. Even if you live in a town where everyone speaks English, you HAVE to use French signs. If you want an English sign too, it's writing must be half the size of the French sign.

      You cannot get a job as a civil servant unless you speak French, even if it's a job where no French is required. It is very difficult, and sometimes impossible, to get government forms in any language but French, despite the large English population. If you are an English family, you must send your kids to a French school, unless you went to an English school in Quebec as a child.

      It goes on...

      Quebec supports rights, my ass!

    18. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by freeweed · · Score: 1

      The Quebec government also has an "approved baby names" list - basically, you have to get PERMISSION from the government as to what you can legally name your own child.

      It goes on indeed.

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    19. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Curtman · · Score: 1
      Move to Quebec and try to set up a business with an English sign.

      You can put the sign up, but it can't be as big or bigger than the French sign as I understand it. I've never been there, and don't plan to so I couldn't say for sure.
    20. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Curtman · · Score: 1
      You cannot get a job as a civil servant unless you speak French, even if it's a job where no French is required.

      Isn't that true in all of Canada? It is here in Manitoba.
    21. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On behalf of Quebec (inculding the english population)

      FUCK YOU!

    22. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Curtman · · Score: 1
      but you really can't once you stop paying taxes to Ottawa


      Once they stop paying taxes to Ottawa, then maybe Alberta will be off the hook for the $16.7 billion (about $2,178 per person) they pay those traitorous jackasses every year.
    23. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Isn't that true in all of Canada? It is here in Manitoba.

      No, its not. And I work for the feds in Winnipeg. Most of the people I work with are unilingual.

    24. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      On Behalf Of Canada ... Get Stuff. And fix yer goddamn roads already. This is 2007 not 1932.

      You want to earn some extra credit? Abolish the language laws and stop voting for the Bloc. Until then I'll view all Quebecois as two-faced liars worthy of the highest contempt.

      Isn't to say I hate french culture or whatever. Just pissed off that Quebec feels so entitled to special status.

      Tom

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    25. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Howserx · · Score: 1

      Here's your new sign

      Font size 14 "French"
      Font Size 12 "Fries"

      Yeah yeah, not real HTML you get the idea...

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    26. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by jsrlepage · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the note :)

      Though, as for the Child Posts, more precisely mfh's, the "conservative" party is the Parti Libéral du Québec. While I WILL agree that it's the one currently managing Quebec, I will also say that Jean Charest, the Prime Minister, is the MOST, and I stress MOST, HATED Prime Minister of Quebec - just after Trudeau. I mean, come ON, it's too obvious he's in league with Quebecor World... and technically, the PLQ is only the PCQ, the Parti Conservateur du Québec. Simple to see: Charest is an EX-Conservative deputee.

      As for the artists, while I admit there is a risk that publishers would be protected, there is also a very high probability that artists will be as protected, if not MORE, as the publishers would be. For the simple reason that the Quebec art "scene" is so "small" and "niche" that our products tend to do very well inside Quebec (while doing a hell of a good score in France :D)

      The only rights we don't support, I think, are the linguistics. For the simple and nice reason that we're one of the last "bastions", forteresses of French language here in the Americas. Name me a place that's officially bilingual and that has over 80% of french population. PLEASE.

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    27. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by quax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Frankly it should be. And no I am not a French speaker. I am German and currently live in Toronto. My French is unfortunately pretty poor but Canada is supposed to be a bilingual country. I am tired of all those English speakers who seem to think it is such a terrible burden to learn another language. Mastering another language greatly enriches your life - stop acting like babies. Grow up and get over it.

    28. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Curtman · · Score: 1
      No, its not. And I work for the feds in Winnipeg. Most of the people I work with are unilingual.

      I stand corrected. In that case, I don't see a problem with Quebec demanding that civil service applicants speak French any more than it is for us to demand they speak English here.
    29. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Aidski · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can you get a civil service job if you can't speak English in Alberta or Ontario or any English-speaking province? If you can't speak the official language of the province. You shouldn't be allowed to work in the civil service. Enough said.

    30. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by GNious · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I live in Belgium, though not Belgian myself. My French is unfortunately pretty poor but Belgium is supposed to be a trilingual country. I am tired of all those French speakers who seem to think it is such a terrible burden to learn another language. Mastering another language greatly enriches your life - stop acting linke babies. Grow up and get over it.

      /G

    31. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Run4yourlives · · Score: 1

      We have a Liberal Party of Canada up here.

      Not liberal as in "liberal/conservative".

    32. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Curtman · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Canada is supposed to be a bilingual country

      Most of it is. Except Quebec. There is only one official language there: French. They can pull these shenanigans because they did not sign our constitution.

      I am tired of all those English speakers who seem to think it is such a terrible burden to learn another language.

      It is. I live in Winnipeg, which is supposed to be the largest French speaking population outside of Quebec. I have never met anybody who spoke only French and no English in my life. My wife is French, but she doesn't use it other than talking to her family, and they speak English just fine. Why should I bother with another language which I'll rarely ever be able to use, and have no desire to learn? I'd much rather learn ruby or python thank you very much.
    33. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by dubbreak · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but you can buy beer at the corner store. As long as I can have easy access to beer and legal downloads I'm happy. I can telecommute to Canada or the US.

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    34. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Miseph · · Score: 1

      Apparently you missed the part where I'm not Canadian... And no, Quebec uses the same health care system as the rest of Canada, which is nationalized.

      Nice try, though.

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    35. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by GreyPoopon · · Score: 1
      Sorry I didn't mean to disparage the US there.
      I didn't take it as a disparagement, but I knew that there were going to be disparaging remarks on their way and I was trying to head them off. That's why I put the little disclaimer at the top. It *is* true that both Canada and the US copy some of the best and worst ideas from each other.
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    36. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's pretty obvious you aren't Canadian, as you have no idea how healthcare works here.

      So, to enlighten you, no, Canada's healthcare is not nationalized. Healthcare here is managed by the provinces, with funding provided by the federal government, as Transfer Payments in the form of the Canada Health Transfer. This funding is provided with the condition that the provinces must implement a system which is compatible with the Canada Health Act.

      So, yes, Quebec has it's own, independant healthcare system, as do all of the other provinces. Of course, many or most of those systems would be unable to function without federal funding, and so aren't financially independant, but there is no organizational connection between these systems and the federal government.

    37. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (I'm not the same AC.)

      IIRC, Federal language law says that if you work in the civil service you have to be bilingual. However, this has been so poorly enforced for the past 30 years or so (since the Trudeau administration) that it basically doesn't exist. It has gotten to the point where people will complain that they have to suddenly learn French to keep their jobs -- it was in the job requirement up to thirty years ago!

      I don't know about Provincial language laws outside of Quebec, really.

    38. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Curtman · · Score: 1
      However, this has been so poorly enforced for the past 30 years or so (since the Trudeau administration) that it basically doesn't exist.

      It must not be, because they aren't even asking for it on the job postings that I see.
    39. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Curtman · · Score: 1
      Name me a place that's officially bilingual and that has over 80% of french population. PLEASE.

      Name me a place outside of Quebec that gives a shit though. PLEASE.
    40. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Most of [Canada] is [bilingual]. Except Quebec. There is only one official language there: French.
      According to this article on bilingualism, 35.4% of Quebecers are bilingual, followed by New Brunswick at 29.5%, and Canada as a whole coming in at 16.3%. I've recently heard it was closer to 50% in Quebec.

      The only officially bilingual province is New Brunswick.

      So you're wrong on both counts: officially, only New Brunswick is bilingual, and not "the rest of Canada" as you claim. In practice, Quebec is the most bilingual of any province.

      They can pull these shenanigans because they did not sign our constitution.
      No, they can pull "these shenanigans" because of the notwithstanding clause in the Constitution Act, 1982. They're still subject to the Constitution.
    41. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Name me a place that's officially bilingual and that has over 80% of french population. PLEASE.
      Name me a place outside of Quebec that gives a shit though. PLEASE.
      The majority doesn't care about minority rights? No kidding.
    42. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Curtman · · Score: 1
      The majority doesn't care about minority rights? No kidding.

      Minority rights? Minorities (AKA: Only the french) have the right to make me learn their language in school? Or tell me what kind of sign I can put outside my business? Well why should it be done for the French, and not all minorities? I have a friend who moved here from Isreal, maybe we should be teaching his language as well. It seems that learning English is quite difficult for him.

      In the past, we took native children from their homes and put them in reform school where they were punished for speaking their own language. That is a violation of rights. The current discussion doesn't have anything to do with minority rights, and everything to do with the tyranny of the minority.
    43. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

      This has been a big conflict for me internally, because I'm of the freedom or death crowd.

      But, I've managed to rationalize it in my own mind like this: North American anglos have consistently marched towards the repeal of rights (particularly the Americans), especially with regards to sex and freedom of speech/protest, and seem to be more tolerant of war. By denying the right to express ourselves in English predominantly, we protect other rights because the loudmouth, aggressive anglos leave in disgust. :)

      If we were a sovereign and independent nation, we wouldn't need bill 101 as we wouldn't have to fear constant intellectual takeover by the rest of Canada.

      Ah ben.

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    44. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Gorshkov · · Score: 1
      I will also say that Jean Charest, the Prime Minister, is the MOST, and I stress MOST, HATED Prime Minister of Quebec

      He's the Premier, not he Prime Minister.

      and technically, the PLQ is only the PCQ, the Parti Conservateur du Québec. Simple to see: Charest is an EX-Conservative deputee.

      Charest was a member of the national Conservative Party, not the provincial party, before he entered Quebec politics and joined the provincial Liberals. The PLQ is the provincial wing of the national LIBERAL party. And even when he WAS a Tory, he was a very, very RED Tory.
    45. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by jZnat · · Score: 1

      No, it was the Democrats. Democrats are not liberal, they're conservative (but not as conservative as Republicans). Your typical conservative party (in other countries) is more liberal than even Democrats.

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    46. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Miseph · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected. Thank you for not being an AC troll.

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    47. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This post should be erased. It clearly shows that the person that wrote it is a racist, uneducated poor soul. Perhaps if he/she left his/her North American bubble he.. would realise that the world isn't made up of a house, a drive-way, a power center, a car that eats way too much gas, drive-throughs and tim horton's or other doughnut shops, that hockey is not the only sport, and that the super bowl is such a low form of entertainment. Do something with your kids, stop getting drunk then drive, bitch about marijuana somkers, about high taxes and then, after being in an accident because of impaired driving, bitch about the long lines at the emergency even though it's free, as in beer, that is, you don't have to pay a 10 fee so that they even look at you.... ah.. the list could go on... keep on flaming.

      Did you realise that world war two was over more than 60 years ago, and that every German citizen has been, and is being educated about it. They hear it so much during their lifetime that they would find it very very offending to make jokes about jews and the such. You won't even see a smirk on their faces!

    48. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I live In Quebec and obviously, you are one of those who are even less informed, because Quebec has it's own taxes and the health care IS specific to each provinces. Actually, it's a provincial domain, not federal. Nice try, but you just shown how ignorant you are of the real situation!

    49. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (I'm the same AC as the one who said he wasn't the same as the first :P)

      The feds offer language training for non-bilingual staff. I don't think they advertise that you have to know both official languages, but they train you. IMO this is absurd, because it's WAY harder and more expensive to train a middle-aged man to speak French than to teach children to speak French in French immersion or whatever.

      If you're interested, a great book on this subject (and other related subjects) is Graham Fraser's "Sorry, I Don't Speak French." Fraser is now the Official Languages Commissioner. I suspect you might disagree with some of what he says, but it has some history and explanations of laws, and it's a pretty light read, really. (I have no affiliation with him or the book, but you seem like an interested person, so I thought I'd suggest it.)

    50. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Minority rights? Minorities (AKA: Only the french) have the right to make me learn their language in school?
      Where and when did this happen? I've never seen somebody forced to learn French in Canada (except in Quebec, of course, but then you're forced to learn English in every other province, right?)

      Learning other languages has benefits. It's been suggested that it helps with comprehension of other languages (including English). It also makes it easier to learn other languages if you should need to (or, *gasp*, want to) later in life. Aside from that, it opens up more culture to you (books, movies, etc) if you're interested in that sort of thing.

      Or tell me what kind of sign I can put outside my business?
      There are all kinds of laws affecting businesses. It's not some new development to place restrictions on businesses.

      Of course, Bill 101 only applies in Quebec, and not in the rest of Canada. The reason for the law is because the workplace was almost entirely English before (for various historical reasons). Basically you needed English to do your job.

      There were also ridiculous examples where the policy was "speak English to the customer, no matter what", so two francophones would be stumbling through a conversation in English.

      So the law made people speak French in the workplace, and put up signs in French. The goal was to preserve the French language in Quebec, and by and large it worked.

      This certainly violates some Charter rights (though it uses the notwithstanding clause to do it, so it's a legally legitimate violation). Whether or not the preservation of French is a morally justifiable reason for violating those Charter rights is another question. I personally don't see it as a big deal at all.

      Well why should it be done for the French, and not all minorities? I have a friend who moved here from Isreal, maybe we should be teaching his language as well. It seems that learning English is quite difficult for him.
      Because French is one of Canada's two official languages. I'm not sure how you think language education works, exactly. Everyone in Canada is entitled to French-language education where demographics demand it. It's not as though there's an individual French boy getting a private tutor in Alberta or something.
    51. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Curtman · · Score: 1

      Where and when did this happen? I've never seen somebody forced to learn French in Canada

      Here and many, many other places.
    52. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by quax · · Score: 1

      Why should I bother with another language which I'll rarely ever be able to use, and have no desire to learn? I'd much rather learn ruby or python thank you very much.

      I'll take it you don't like to travel, nor do you think the tons of material available on the Web in French could contain anything of interest to you?

      I most confess your attitude just baffles me. Maybe you have to already be bilingual in order to understand how knowing a different language widens you perspective. There are certain things I can say so much more effectively in German because the language lends itself better to what I need to express. In that regard human language is actually quite similar to computer languages. Sure you can code in an object oriented manner in C but it is really not tailored for it. My wife is American but she picked up German quite nicely during the 4 years that we lived in Germany and there are some words and phrases in German that she still always likes to use just because there is no good equivalent for them in English. Of course the same thing goes for English. One of my favorite examples is "anyway". It is so wonderfully vague. German doesn't do vague very well.

    53. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by quax · · Score: 1

      Point well taken. Incidentelly all the Quebecoises I have met so far, including a 9 year old boy at our neighborhood playground, never had a problem to talk to me in English. Having been used to the French attitude to English this was is refreshing change to me.

    54. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by quax · · Score: 1

      Appreciate the sentiment, but I am actually very fond of the way that the moderation system takes care of this. IMHO it is good that stuff like this is not deleted because it is very revealing in its own right.

    55. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Curtman · · Score: 1

      I most confess your attitude just baffles me

      Let me put it this way: Out of all the languages in the world to learn, why would I choose French? Who would I talk to?
    56. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by quax · · Score: 1

      Well I guess you really don't venture much out of Manitoba? On my recent business trip to Montreal I was glad that my French was at least good enough to let the cap driver know where I wanted to go. He was obviously a recent immigrant from a francophone part of Africa and did not speak any English. I would have liked to be able to ask where he was from and carry a conversation with him alas my French is not up to that.

    57. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Curtman · · Score: 1

      On my recent business trip to Montreal I was glad that my French was at least good enough to let the cap driver know where I wanted to go.

      French won't help me speak to the cab drivers in Edmonton, which would be more helpful to me. I'm not even sure what language that is.
  2. eh. by everphilski · · Score: 0

    Don'tchaknow.

    1. Re:eh. by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      you betcha ...

      oh wait, that's fargo, that's an AMERICAN film ya hoser.

      Tom

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  3. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, the America isn't the only fucked up country? I don't beleive it.

    1. Re:What? by somersault · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Are you from America by any chance? Or are you possibly a terrorist? 'The america', 'beleive'? *puts on troll hat*

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  5. duh by mastershake_phd · · Score: 5, Funny

    Canada's Music Lobby Buys Government Access
     
    Thats what lobbys do. I say we ban lobbying all together. Who wants to help me lobby for that? Bring money.

    1. Re:duh by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know you're joking, but seriously, the only way to defeat the well-financed lobby groups is to bring votes. Governments can only be bought as long as that money translates into votes at election time. Shift your culture so people vote for what they believe in and not what they saw on TV and you've won. Change the rules so political parties can only accept donations from businesses that are on the same scale as what private citizens could realistically offer and you've won. But achieving either of these changes is going to take a long time and a lot of campaigning. (Odd, really, since the politicians have nothing to lose from the second, but there you go.)

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      If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
    2. Re:duh by dryeo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually in Canada it is illegal for businesses,trade unions etc to donate any money to political campaigns. Also individuals are limited to donating $1100. Unluckily this only came into effect on Jan 1,2007. See http://www.elections.ca/content.asp?section=gen&do cument=ec90557&dir=bkg&lang=e&textonly=false

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    3. Re:duh by mastershake_phd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Shift your culture so people vote for what they believe in and not what they saw on TV and you've won.

      People vote for what they believe in, problem is they believe what they see on TV.

    4. Re:duh by VWJedi · · Score: 1
      Change the rules so political parties can only accept donations from businesses that are on the same scale as what private citizens could realistically offer and you've won.
      That's fine in principal, but how can you ensure that lobbying groups don't abuse that?

      Say that Lobbyist Group A gave 1,000 people $1,100 each if they would promise that they'd contribute $1,000 of that to Candidate X (and they could keep $100). How could you know which of the thousands of political contributions are from people bought off by the lobbyists? You can't investigate everyone.

    5. Re:duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you read the artical? It was like being in a mentle hospitle.

    6. Re:duh by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      I believe that the voters are more influenced by campaign financing than the politicians are. If the money does not translate into votes, then the amount donated will be completely irrelevant. There's no need to change or even implement any rules regarding campaign financing or term limits or anything else that removes the voters ability to decide for themselves. These regulations only attack the symptoms, and do nothing to get the voters to decide more carefully. It's another form of off-loading responsibility. And it completely fails to acknowledge the fact that most voters put their own self interests above all else. What we see is the result of that. This is what the politicians reflect, and they act accordingly.

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    7. Re:duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Did you read the artical? It was like being in a mentle hospitle."

      What's really needed is a grade school spelling class.

    8. Re:duh by IAmTheDave · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Man, you guys are idiots. Straight idiots. You know how much the presidential race is gonna cost this year? So I toss a couple of favors to Big Business... they've been like family these past few years. They rub my back, I rub theirs.

      I mean, come on. You know how many canucks are gonna have to pony up $1100 to raise what one donation from Exxon nets? Thousands and thousands. And then you've gotta answer to like thousands of people! One donation from Exxon, and I just answer to Exxon. It's good common sense!

      You guys are like straight idiots. You'll never catch us enacting such ridiculous laws.

      Sincerely,

      The US Government

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    9. Re:duh by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      The US Government

      Why do you single them out? Is there a government(or any large group for that matter) somewhere, anywhere that doesn't work that way? I will grant that the hypocrisy factor does put the US at the top. But the problem itself is worldwide, if not the whole physical universe. And it isn't exclusive to humans.

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    10. Re:duh by jZnat · · Score: 1

      Or they could just keep the money and say "fuck off, it's mine now"...

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    11. Re:duh by VWJedi · · Score: 1

      Well, that's certainly a possibility, but if they select people who agree with what they're lobbying for and offer to do this on a continuing basis (e.g. once a month), then the number of people who just take the money would be minimized.

  6. We all knew it was coming. by danomac · · Score: 1

    This was inevitable. After all the crap that went on the last couple of years, it was bound to happen.

    Just recently I read a newspaper article stating that Canada is now on the watch list for movie piracy (up there with Russia and China.) The article stated approximately 50% of movies are cammed here, and that the movie industry will likely delay the releases of new films here.

    I'm not surprised at all.

    1. Re:We all knew it was coming. by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      Delay releases? Of the shitty movies they put out?

      I'd rather have more indy films than hollywood crap [which incidentally is filmed more and more in Canada anyways!].

      Frankly, if the movie looks half decent I'll spend the $10 to see it in the theater, and THEN make a copy once it's out on DVD. If the movie is just mildly entertaining [re: better than watching my facial hair grow] I'll just copy it from DVD.

      Lesson: make less shitty movies.

      Tom

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    2. Re:We all knew it was coming. by danomac · · Score: 1

      Tom: Same here.

      I don't go to theatres anyway. I don't download movies. I don't rent them. They just don't interest me to begin with.

      I can only think of one movie that's coming up this year that has my interest: Die Hard 4 (or whatever they call it.) That'll probably be the only movie I'll see this year.

      I hope that one isn't a waste of time.

      Still, I'm not surprised that this has happened. Canada is pretty lax on this topic. I'd like it to stay that way, but they'll be pressured into copyright "reform" (or "degradation"?) anyway.

    3. Re:We all knew it was coming. by Jabrwock · · Score: 1

      the movie industry will likely delay the releases of new films here

      Fine with me. I'm sure the movie industry counts me as a "lost sale", and blames it on piracy, or home theatres. Instead, I should be under the "only goes to see 1-2 movies per year because the rest are either not interesting to me, or outright suck"

      "You want me to fork out HOW much? This better be f*ing Oscar material, for that price..." (this applies to both theatre prices, and DVD prices)

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    4. Re:We all knew it was coming. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The recent article you read was a scare piece designed to get people to not call their MPs to complain about upcomming copyright legislation. Or worse, to call and support it. Seriously, who in their right mind believes that delaying movies would decrease piracy?

    5. Re:We all knew it was coming. by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Just recently I read a newspaper article stating that Canada is now on the watch list for movie piracy (up there with Russia and China.) The article stated approximately 50% of movies are cammed here, and that the movie industry will likely delay the releases of new films here.

      Who really cares about "cammed" movies? Anyone who'd download a 700 MB file, of a blurry, shaky video with a tinny soundtrack obscured by laughing and cellophane rustling is welcome to it. Either they're desperate to see a film and will be in the queue when it's finally released, or they're so cheap they will never pay to see it. In either case, no loss to the industry.

      I pick up a lot of used DVDs, some of dubious origin. If one turns out to be a cam I press EJECT and chuck it in the bin. The Russian pirate editions are much better quality, and often have amusing previews of Russian movies included.

    6. Re:We all knew it was coming. by Enigmafan · · Score: 1

      >and that the movie industry will likely delay the releases of new films here.

      Actually, I think piracy is the most probable cause that more movies are released worldwide at the same moment. If release schedules differ, it becomes much more interesting to view a pirated movie then if it is already playing in theatres everywhere.

      Not living in the US of A, I notice that more and more movies can be seen here at the same moment as they are released in the USA.

  7. Re:Well....... by udowish · · Score: 1

    Nothing is written in stone yet... Since our last government (liberals) had such a HUGE public scandal something like this coming out with our new gov may well put the brakes on it totally!

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  8. Re:Well....... by AutopsyReport · · Score: 4, Funny

    Our bacon is the way, the truth, and the life.

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  9. but... but Chretien! by Pxtl · · Score: 3, Funny

    I thought the Conservative party was supposed to bring an end to corruption and a new environment of accountability.

    OW! My political beliefs!

    1. Re:but... but Chretien! by Jabrwock · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I thought the Conservative party was supposed to bring an end to corruption and a new environment of accountability.

      But, but, they introduce an Accoutability Act and everything! It even has fancy paper! ;)

      I find it disenheartening that her response was "it was legal at the time". Shouldn't she be respecting the act NOW, since her government pushed it through? Respect the spririt of the law and all that? It reminded me of contractors who say "what? I did it to code" which basically means "I did the bare minimum to avoid losing my license."

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    2. Re:but... but Chretien! by slashbob22 · · Score: 1

      It even has fancy paper! ;) That's from the fancy paper lobby group. Apparently they would like more acts to be written.
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  10. Don't worry by Bullfish · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The lobby is pissing money down a rat hole. The government is in a minority position and will likely fall in the next few months. Considering that the conservatives have steadily dropped in the polls, they are not likely to be around to put such legislation into effect.

    I imagine in the meantime, they have bigger fish to fry (like trying to survive), than to worry about a politically unpopular move to satisfy record company executives.

    1. Re:Don't worry by flight_master · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I was modded -1 flamebait for saying that the Conservatives under Mr. Harper are corrupt, useless, and in this case, going against the general public.
      If this were to get into the general media, it would create I firestorm, I believe... As Canadians, we are all about our personal rights and freedoms, and if someone is shown to try and cut into those freedoms, he's in big trouble.
      All I hope for, is that it happens sooner than later, I can't take much more of Harper, Ambrose, Strahl, and the rest of them...

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    2. Re:Don't worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "the conservatives have steadily dropped in the polls"

      the conservatives have steadily dropped in the liberal polls...

    3. Re:Don't worry by gwait · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately this seems to be a non partisan mental gap in our politicians - the Liberals were just as off key when implementing new laws protecting the music companies - they gave us the blank disc fine (uh tax?) since we're all guilty of pirating music we should all pay up front. Ironically, they messed up by giving us the (debated) right to copy whatever we want in the meantime. My guess is that loophole was just sheer incompetence.. (Sheila "I'll quit if we don't repeal the GST" Copps gave us that loophole - need I say more?)

      Maybe we should set up a local branch of the PirateBay Party for our next election - sure would be more fun than the boring Marijuana Party!

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    4. Re:Don't worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't fool yourself. Mind you, that must be pretty easy, so carry on...

    5. Re:Don't worry by Jabrwock · · Score: 1

      the conservatives have steadily dropped in the liberal polls... It's possible to drop further than rock bottom? ;)

      Please find me a Conservative poll then that shows they've stayed the same, or have increased in popularity over the past year.
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  11. Ummm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    A senior government figure met with the head of the industry she regulates? The horror! If getting our information from blogs is good enough for idiots like us, it should be good enough for our lawmakers.

    1. Re:Ummm.... by Pxtl · · Score: 4, Interesting

      RTFAs - she meets with the CRIA but won't meet with any other relevant organizations (such as consumer rights groups or Canadian artists groups).

    2. Re:Ummm.... by KKlaus · · Score: 1

      That is a very clever sig you have. Tip o' the hat [/*:-).

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  12. Canadian Supreme Court by Imexius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If I remember correctly hadn't the Canadian Supreme court already decided that downloading music for personal use was within our rights? If that's the case then can't we rely on that case as a precedent to help render this presumed upcoming law void? http://www.cirpa.ca/Page.asp?PageID=122&ContentID= 824&SiteNodeID=66

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    1. Re:Canadian Supreme Court by Jabrwock · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The SCC ruled that, but they were basing their decision on the laws of the time (ie fair use and other relevant sections of the Copyright Act). If the government ammends the Copyright Act to remove or restrict fair use, there's not much the SC can do, since media consumption isn't a right mentioned in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms...

      If they neglect to remove fair use though, it would be a valid argument against such a law. I'm assuming a DMCA challenge would be easier in Canada, because of that. They can't deny you the tools to be able to exercise your right to fair use, afterall...

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    2. Re:Canadian Supreme Court by Curtman · · Score: 1
      The SCC ruled that, but they were basing their decision on the laws of the time (ie fair use and other relevant sections of the Copyright Act).


      It's already illegal to use P2P to download music. Unless you can rig your P2P client to do 0 upstream traffic and still actually be able to download something then you are distributing copyrighted material. The limitation section of the fair use clause specifically lists
      • distributing, whether or not for the purpose of trade
      • communicating to the public by telecommunication
      Both of those apply to P2P. Why would the recording industry sue individuals for downloading when they should be suing them for uploading? I think they've just created a big fat straw man so they can say the laws are ineffective and push for big time reform.
  13. Dam, I voted for her too... by shlinton · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.bevoda.ca/contact.htm Contact Bev: Bowmanville Office: 68 King Street East Bowmanville, Ontario L1C 3X2 Phone: (905) 697-1699 Fax: (905) 697-1678 Ottawa Office: House of Commons Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6 Phone: (613) 992-2792 Fax: (613) 992-2794 Email: Oda.B@parl.gc.ca From her own website....

    1. Re:Dam, I voted for her too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might as well cc her boss, Steven Harper Prime Minister.
      Just tell them... watch out... don't be a cre... tien.

    2. Re:Dam, I voted for her too... by Jabrwock · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, writing to Bev won't get you squat, you might not even get a response. Until Lord Harper lets her, she is supposed to keep her mouth shut on any policy that Harper hasn't already vetted...

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    3. Re:Dam, I voted for her too... by UWSofty · · Score: 1

      I emailed her weeks ago. I finally got a response yesterday (if you can call it that). It was just a confirmation that she received my email sent by one of her secretarial lackeys. I have no illusions that she will actually listen to me or any of the Canadian artists who have been vocal on this issue (see Barenaked Ladies or Broken Social Scene). But I thought I'd send the email anyway.

  14. The CRIA is not a Canadian organization by Rix · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's just a branch office of the American RIAA. The group that represents Canadian artists is the Canadian Music Creators Coalition.

    1. Re:The CRIA is not a Canadian organization by BForrester · · Score: 1

      I see what you're saying, but your statements aren't entirely correct. The CRIA and RIAA are not affiliated. However, many of the member corporations in the CRIA are the same big American music labels (or their Canadian branches) that compose the RIAA. They're equivalent agencies, but not the same. The CMCC certainly represents quite a few artists (not to mention the interests of the Canadian public), but as the group that represents the production companies (read "entities that have more lobbying/bribery assets"), the CRIA still has the bigger political sway.

    2. Re:The CRIA is not a Canadian organization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, many of the member corporations in the CRIA are the same big American music labels (or their Canadian branches) that compose the RIAA.

      Only true if by "many" you actually meant "all four."

  15. Re:Well....... by Darth+Pondo · · Score: 1

    No we didn't.

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  16. Canadian Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's good to know that our politicians are just as corrupt as the ones in the rest of the world. It is that warm fuzzy feeling knowing that there is some consistancy in the world. Excuse me while I write a letter to my MP.

  17. Re:Well....... by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oy vey! What a ham!

  18. My letter to my MP by saskboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/01/15/fairusefi re/

    It's important all Canadians write their MP and educate them about the CRIA shenanigans.

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    1. Re:My letter to my MP by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      Nicely worded.

      I'm going to send a similar letter to my MP as well.

      Note that we shouldn't copy the letter, fellow Canucks - they'll think it's a form letter and ignore it.

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    2. Re:My letter to my MP by CokeBear · · Score: 1

      Especially this guy. Gotta love a Member of Parliament with a blog, eh?

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    3. Re:My letter to my MP by JohnKrasnay · · Score: 1

      Bev Oda *is* my MP. I sent her the following letter and posted it the first time this story was on Slashdot. Here it is again, in case it inspires someone...

      --snip--

      Dear Ms. Oda,

      I currently live with my family in north Oshawa and I have been a resident of Durham Region for most of my life. As one of your constituents, I read with concern this article recently published by the CBC: http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/01/11/copy right-canada.html.

      As a consumer and a content producer (I've written software professionally for the last 15 years, including a large application that I've licensed for public use and redistribution), I believe that copyright law strikes a delicate balance between the rights of content producers and society at large. Any changes to that balance must be very carefully conceived. While I obviously can't comment on the proposed changes you are currently preparing, I would like to offer some of my concerns about where copyright reform appears to be headed.

      Firstly, I believe the push behind copyright reform is coming from the film and recording industries. No other stakeholders appear to have any pressing desire to reform copyright law. The software industry, in particular, realized years ago that technological copyright protection measures (euphemistically called Digital Rights Management today) were an un-winnable arms race that served only to frustrate their legitimate customers, and for the most part have stopped the practice. They seem to be happy with going after egregious copyright violators while letting their own customers create backup copies of their purchased software in peace.

      Further, I do not believe that the recording industry is acting in the interest of the artists (in fact, several prominent Canadian artists have actually said as much over the last year); instead, I believe they are trying to preserve an outmoded business model (shipping information around on CDs with trucks) against the Internet, which does the same job far more efficiently. Rather than adapt to the progress of technology (for example, by looking for ways to use the Internet to expose more artists to more fans), they have chosen instead to pressure governments to enact legislation disrupting the balance of our current copyright laws. I feel such changes, especially made in haste, will disadvantage both consumers *and* artists in favour of propping up an industry that is in decline.

      As a result, I feel that any changes to copyright legislation proposed by the recording industry must be viewed with a large degree of scepticism, and that changes, if any, must be made carefully and with the full consultation of the Canadian people. I would urge you in particular to steer clear of a couple of particularly misguided concepts:

      1. Canada must not implement the equivalent of the "DRM anti-circumvention" clause of the American DMCA. Laws preventing open discussion of algorithms (i.e. mathematics) are perilously close to recognizing thought-crime.

      2. Canada must not reduce fair-use rights, such as the right to time- and format-shift legitimately purchased content. To do so would be to criminalize ordinary Canadians for doing things they believe they have the inherent right to do.

      I thank you sincerely for your time.

      John Krasnay

  19. Canadians: What to do about it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    First, log in to OnLineRights.ca and use their helpful form (be sure to read it so that you agree with it 100%) to mail your MP. I emailed my MP, and I *was* going to follow it up with a snail mail to make sure he got it, but lo and behold I got actually got a reply...
    I will work hard to ensure that any future amendments to our copyright laws are not a regression from that which was proposed in Bill C-60.
    Not great (bill C-60 sucked too), but it's a start.
    1. Re:Canadians: What to do about it. by yukk · · Score: 2, Informative

      Don't forget to email her too: Oda.B@parl.gc.ca Maybe add a little note in your email pointing her to the article and ask her how much you have to "donate" to get fair treatment.

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  20. Vive le Québec libre! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yet another reason for separation of Quebec.

    1. Re:Vive le Québec libre! by denis-The-menace · · Score: 0, Troll

      FYI: If Quebec ever does separate, only the rich and well-connected will be free. Everybody else will be imprisoned by their language. By forcing all Quebeckers to only use French, they are keeping them ignorant of the world. Many Quebeckers are already stuck in Quebec because their English language skills are non-existent. Imagine how much non-French language skills would be allowed once Quebec is ..er.. free. When Quebec was founded, French was the language of business. Today it is English and tomorrow it will be Chinese. Adapt or die.

      FYI for the rest of /.: If the web server is located in Quebec or your business is located in Quebec, it's not good enough for the web site to be English and French. It must be French-only! Any exceptions you see are because the owners are rich and well-connected.

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    2. Re:Vive le Québec libre! by hublan · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yet another reason for separation of Quebec.


      Oh, come now. Québecois politicians have corruption nailed down just as well as, if not better than, their Ottawa counterparts. Indeed the duplication of all levels of the Federal government in Québec simply encourages this. Ever wondered why the income tax is so high here?
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    3. Re:Vive le Québec libre! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what the hell are you talking about? it's true that it has to be in french, but they can't force you to make it in french only.

      there has been abuse from the language police but you are just talking out of your ass

    4. Re:Vive le Québec libre! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://gouv.qc.ca/portail/quebec/pgs/commun top right english and español.. WOW THEY'RE BREAKING THEIR OWN LAW?!!?!

    5. Re:Vive le Québec libre! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      They are only imprisoned of their own choosing. I am neither rich nor well connected and I was born in Quebec, Yet I speak English, even though I was educated in French. I learnt English by speaking it with friends and family. All of my family and relatives are French Quebecois and yet my brothers, sister and parents also speak English. They too were educated in French.

      We learnt to speak English because we chose not to exclude people based on language. Many, not all, Quebecois are xenophobic, especially my generation and my parent's generation. I've experienced it first hand when I lived in the Saguenay Region, the hot bed of French Nationalism. If you spoke English, you were shunned. If you where French and spoke English, you were considered a Traitor. You were not 'Dyed in the Wool Quebecois'.

      I now live in the States and I miss my homeland. But when the whole topic of French Nationalism rears it head, I'm glad I'm not there to experience it. Yet again.

    6. Re:Vive le Québec libre! by Dark_MadMax666 · · Score: 1

      Are you fucking trolling? the main page is french...

    7. Re:Vive le Québec libre! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the original poster said it could only be in french..

  21. Bribery by gsn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Theres a pretty big difference between lobbying and bribery. Lobbying isn't intrinsically bad - heck the ACLU does it as does the EFF among /. favourites. The trouble is lobbying is not very far removed from campaign donations. Industry gives politician money and then politician is very receptive to industry umbrella organization lobbying. The latter is for all intents and purposes bribery, especially given the copyright reform legislation. She has apparently been a broadcaster for the better part of her life. Can we say conflict of interest. Somebody should call them on it and accuse her of bribery - there are presumably laws against that sort of thing in Canada. The British probably left something like a public interest litigation around. And if Oda is a minister then accuse Harper of running a corrupt government. Even if it isn't successful the press is bad, and the embarrassment will force them to do something.

    Longer term I think there should be a declaration on who writes an actual bill not just who sponsors it, and politicians be forced to declare conflict of interest and remove themselves from any proceedings regarding such legislation or face censure - something I'm sure their opponents will enjoy using the next election.

    Of course the trouble with all this is that even if media industry looses this round, they'll just try again in a few years. So I still smile when I hear that the music industries sales are still falling despite the growth of online sales.

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  22. Same Minister responsible for Net Neutrality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    For your information -- this same minister is in bed with CanWest Global (our largest news service) and even had one of their employees planning fundraisers for her. She is also the same minister along with Maxime Bernier that is responsible for Net Neutrality in Canada. If you're Canadian and want to help -- check out Charlie Angus's three-point-plan to ensure the ethical sobriety of the heritage minister. Mp3 here If you want to help the Net Neutrality movement and are a Canadian you can sign the petition at neutrality.ca These cabmins that take money from industries they oversee need to be held accountable for their actions.

  23. You pegged the REAL issue here by WebCowboy · · Score: 1

    The article stated approximately 50% of movies are cammed here, and that the movie industry will likely delay the releases of new films here.

    Sounds like you get it more than the article poster. "Whining" and dining the heritage minister every month has been happening since Copps was the minister in the Liberal government, and we managed to avoid our own DMCA to this point. The current political environment has provided the opportunity for much more public input and consideration that the previous government:

    * The current Canadian parliament is a minority government and since copyright law reform is a low priority it is probably further back on the order paper than, say, environment or "fiscal re-balancing". If the government falls in a confidence motion on such higher-priority issues then the copyright bill will once again die on the order paper and it's back to square one. Unfortunately, the Liberals (official opposition) are the most "pro-DMCA" party in parliament so if the governing Conservatives can be convinced to support it such a motion might pass easily if it does come before a vote.

    * The heritage ministry is not solely responsible for copyright law--it must seek agreement with the industry ministry which is the final authority on copyright. The industry minister, Maxime Bernier, has been pretty critical about measures that would restrict fair use or compromise privacy. If a new copyright bill IS passed it would be significantly less restrictive than that which died on the order paper of the previous Liberal government (still bad, but less of a bad thing).

    I believe that in the US you can be punished legally for bringing photographic devices into theatres or other performance venues against the proprietor's wishes, but that there is no such law in Canada. In any case such law doesn't fall directly in with copyright--It is still illegal in Canada, under current copyright law, to duplicate/distribute/broadcast the cammed movies. It is only legal to cam them and view them privately (it is equivalent to using your VCR to record a TV programme for private viewing in terms of Canadian copyright law).

    Obviously, the pressure of potential economic loss be the delay of movie releases in Canada may force the government's hand. Restricting or removing the fair dealing provisions of copyright is one way to solve the camming problem, and I'm sure the industry will fight to have the most broadest brush possible used to paint over this issue...however a law much narrower in scope could (and should) be applied. There is some hope that Bernier will be the moderating force here since Oda is a bit of a pushover.

    1. Re:You pegged the REAL issue here by danomac · · Score: 1

      I believe that in the US you can be punished legally for bringing photographic devices into theatres or other performance venues against the proprietor's wishes, but that there is no such law in Canada.

      In the article I read, there was no hint of it being illegal to bring in a camcorder into a theatre. The article did state that the venue reserved the right to eject you if you are caught with one.

      The article went on to state that the films are watermarked so that they can identify the theatre in which the movie was cammed. This is not visible to the naked eye. What surprised me more is that in the troublesome theatre there are ushers with night vision cameras that will continually monitor people for cameras.

      I, for one, would not go to a theatre to be stared down by some guy while watching a movie. No thanks.

      Damn, I found the article online. This isn't the exact article I read in our provincial newspaper, but it covers the gist of it.

      Quoted from the article:
      Cineplex's Jacob said theatre chains all across Canada already employ security guards who are equipped with night vision goggles and other surveillance equipment to try to catch pirates.

      How scary.

  24. Money for influence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What makes this all-the-more interesting is the fact this Conservative government was voted in on a platform of cleaning up corruption and scandal in the federal government.

    Guess it's a case of "do as I say, not as I do."

  25. It's all government, not just USA/Canada by Colin+Smith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't feel too bad, this is a feature of all government. Where you give government powers over something, that power is inevitably abused. The solution is to limit the responsibility of government. The more areas it becomes responsible for the more areas become corrupted.

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    1. Re:It's all government, not just USA/Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Don't feel too bad, this is a feature of all government. Where you give government powers over something, that power is inevitably abused. The solution is to limit the responsibility of government. The more areas it becomes responsible for the more areas become corrupted.

      This argument avoids the fact that corporations are more corrupt and unethical than governments.
    2. Re:It's all government, not just USA/Canada by Emperor+Cezar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Corporations are constructs of governments. To create a corporation, you register with the government and register your officers. You then fall under different rules then a sole-proprieter. When you do this much of the responsibilty and risk is taken out of the business. Thus, no person in the corporation is responsible, or feels responsible for what it does.

      The sole-proprietor independent pizza shop on the corner is the only business hierarchy that isn't built to take advantage of governmental constructs.

      Remember, Corporations are people too. Literally.

    3. Re:It's all government, not just USA/Canada by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      Remember, Corporations are people too. Literally.

      Only in the US I think.

    4. Re:It's all government, not just USA/Canada by Curtman · · Score: 3, Informative
      Only in the US I think.

      Really? A lot of people don't realize that The Corporation was a Canadian documentary. I think most of that is a consequence of the WTO which we are a part of as well.
  26. Spineless? Probably, but less so than the Cons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I recall the Liberals telling Bush NO (on both Iraq and missile "defence") repeatedly under great pressure from conservatives, with Stephen Harper even undermining our government and insulting Canadians over it. And surprise surprise, what was the first thing Harper did while in government? SURRENDER to the US over lumber, despite the fact that Canada won every decision, sending a BILLION canadian dollars to the US industry in order to pay them to end their illegal actions. Harper is the spineless Bush-ass-licking coward, the liberals stood up to him, keeping us out of the ridiculous Iraq quagmire and defending our interests rather then cow-towing to the republicans.

  27. Je Ne Suis Pas D'Flibustier by mfh · · Score: 2

    If you suggest that Quebec would tolerate piracy, you have a low opinion of the people of Quebec. One of the main Quebec parties is predominantly conservative, and therefore opposed to fair use (without a financial transaction). If Quebec separated, they would support the interest of publishers over artists or music users.

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    1. Re:Je Ne Suis Pas D'Flibustier by i_should_be_working · · Score: 1

      Around here, if someones says that Quebec tolerates piracy, wouldn't that mean they have a high opinion of Quebec? Or did you mean to say that they have an ignorant view of Quebec?

      Anyway, what conservative Quebecois party are you talking about? The Bloc always seemed pretty liberal to me.

  28. Not a Partisan Issue by Comboman · · Score: 3, Informative
    I was modded -1 flamebait for saying that the Conservatives under Mr. Harper are corrupt, useless, and in this case, going against the general public.

    They were correct for modding you flamebait for an anti-Conservative tirade. This is not a partisan issue. Bev Oda's predecessor in Paul Martin's Liberal government Sam Bulte was just as guilty of accepting money from the music lobby. The content industry will throw money at whoever they think can deliver copyright "reform", regardless of what party represent.

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    1. Re:Not a Partisan Issue by flight_master · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Indeed, the Liberals were also given money, and if the NDP were in power, the industry would try to give them money too. However, both the NDP and the Liberals listen to the public, to some extent. In case you didn't notice it, Harper does what he wants, when he wants, and how he wants.

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    2. Re:Not a Partisan Issue by Curtman · · Score: 1
      and if the NDP were in power

      Oh come on. Now you're just being silly.
  29. Re:Well....... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Actually this isn't really new. For those that don't follow Canadian politics, the record industry has bought out the last 4 heritage ministers (the last three were Liberals). Nice to see they have reconciled with Bev Oda, because the they we financing her Liberal rival during the election ... when the Conservatives won, they dropped the Liberal like a stone and started bribing Oda instead. The Liberal Heritage ministers were even approaching the record industry looking for the bucks, rather than waiting for the industry officials to approach them with offers. What chance do Canadians have under such circumstances? None. We'll just have to ignore the resulting laws like everyone else.

  30. My letter to my MP by Ripley29 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Dear Mr. Shipley,

    I am a constituent in your riding, and I am writing concerning an article from CBC.ca concerning fair-use rights in Canada (http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/01/11/cop yright-canada.html).

    Like many Canadians, I am a lawful citizen who loves both music and technology. I am a Computer Programmer by trade, and am also a musician; needless to say, I take both of these subjects quite seriously, and I am concerned when my enjoyment of either of these become threatened by law. You see, I listen to all of my purchased CDs on my home computer and my portable music player. The first thing I do when I buy a Compact Disc is to 'rip' it to my home computer, so I can catalog and listen to all of my music as digital music files, or MP3s. Under current Canadian law, 'fair-use rights' allow me to do this.

    If new legislation proposed by the Hon. Maxime Bernier and Heritage Minister Hon. Bev Oda is passed, my 'fair-use rights' will be taken away. I will considered a criminal in the eyes of the law if I choose to copy music in any way which I have purchased.

    The simple fact is that we, as Canadians, already pay a 'private copying levy' on all blank media to supplement lost revenues due to piracy; those of us who buy blank CD-ROM media, even if used to backup personal data, are already giving the Canadian Recording Industry money. The continued stong revenues from music Compact Discs, added to the success of Digital Download services such as iTunes prove that piracy is not hurting the Recording Industry as much as they would like us to believe.

    The problem is that taking away our fair-use rights, and enacting Digital Rights Management on musical Compact Discs would prevent copying of music for any purpose. The Canadian Recording Industry Association (CRIA) would be given the ability to charge multiple times for the same music (Once for a Compact Disc, once for a PC and once for each Portable music player). This unfortunately appears to be the ultimate goal of Digital Rights Management; it has little to do with actually combating piracy. This is greed, plain and simple, yet disguised as anti-piracy measures. Canadian legislation should not be enacted merely to provide large industries additional revenue streams; the law abiding consumer loses in such a scenario.

    I am not the only voter who would be affected by such legislation; this would affect every citizen that owns an iPod or other portable music player, or has ever listened to music on a PC. If this legislation is enacted, the outrage will be felt by many average citizens.

    The Canadian people do not want this. The recording artists themselves do not want this. This legislation only serves the interests of the CRIA and major music distributors. It is also distressing to learn what close ties Hon. Bev Oda and the CRIA have, even though the voices of average citizens and Canadian recording artists are not being heard (http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/1631/125/ ).

    I truly hope that you take this issue seriously, as I do sincerely believe that if this legislation is enacted and Canadian fair-use is taken away, Canadian citizens including those in your constituency will act swifty and harshly.

    Thank-you for taking the time to read this. It is appreciated.

    [Name]
    [City and Province]
    Lambton--Kent--Middlesex

    CC: Maxime Bernier, Bev Oda

  31. Re:Well....... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only people who look up to Canada are stupid, self-hating Americans. Learn a few things about Canada and you'll understand why so many hippies threaten to move there ... but never do.

  32. Heres MY letter to my MP.... by El+Gruga · · Score: 1

    Dear MP, Please take your fat snout OUT of the RIAA/CRIA trough. Realise this: I couldnt give a flying fu*k what you criminals in Ottawa do or say - I will use MY music any way I damn want, come good laws or bad ones. Good luck in the next election - you'll need it.

  33. Oh please by Rix · · Score: 1

    I stand by my statement. The CRIA is most certainly not only affiliated with the RIAA, it is not in any sense a distinct organization. It represents American commercial interests, not Canadian companies, artists, or citizens.

    The CMCC has the backing of all major Canadian labels, not just artists. Anything the CRIA has to say should be relayed through David Wilkins.

  34. Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What? You thought only the US government was for sale?

    Surprise!

  35. Vraiment, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cette loi, c'est stupide!

  36. Re:Spineless? Probably, but less so than the Cons by rustalot42684 · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but Bush doesn't vote....[ note: I prefer the Liberals over the Canadian Alliance....

  37. Same happened in Finland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We had the recording industry buy the legislation outright. Financing for political parties became secret -> no oversight possible. KGB, CIA, FSB et al are all free to buy political parties in Finland to do and legislate whatever they want. And they do.
    We have no more fair usage rights.

  38. Oh Well! by RexRhino · · Score: 1

    If there wasn't any creepily Orwellian government positions like "Heritage Minister", there wouldn't be anyone to bribe, now would there?

    1. Re:Oh Well! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It appears that your province's Education Ministry needs to work harder.

      When referring to "positions" you should use "weren't" and not use "wasn't".

  39. Better red than red by tepples · · Score: 1

    And even when he WAS a Tory, he was a very, very RED Tory.

    Red as in US GOP or red as in communist?

    1. Re:Better red than red by Gorshkov · · Score: 1

      Party colours. The Liberals are a center-left party, and the Tories are center-right/right wing party. Liberal party colours are red; Tory colours are blue.

      A Red or Blue Tory is on the left or right wing of the party - the same applies for the Liberals.