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Steve Jobs Announces (some) DRM-free iTunes

Fjan11 writes "Steve Jobs just announced that starting next month on you can buy higher quality 256Kbps AAC encoded DRM-free versions of iTunes songs for $1.29. Upgrades to songs you've already bought will be available at the $0.30 price difference. Currently EMI is the only publisher participating, accounting for about 20% of the songs available." There's also reports from Reuters and ABC News. The deal excludes the Beatles. You can also read the official press release from Apple if you still think this a late joke; this story confirms earlier speculation.

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  1. Good job everyone! by AchiIIe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you were one of the thousands of bloggers/netcitizens demanding DRM free music, give yourself a hand. This is a win for us.

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    1. Re:Good job everyone! by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not a win unless you reward them with your custom. Better buy now.

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    2. Re:Good job everyone! by Luke+Psywalker · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...please refrain from further encouraging slashdotters to give themselves 'a hand'

    3. Re:Good job everyone! by superm401 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, albums are the same price, DRM or not. Only individual songs have the surcharge. Can't understand the logic, but I prefer albums anyway.

    4. Re:Good job everyone! by Admiral+Ag · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The real winner here is Apple, and the potential big loser is Microsoft. This may well kill Windows Media as a digital audio format.

      Think about it... If all the labels offer their music DRM free by the end of the year, then what incentive is there for any online music store, except for the Zune store, to offer music in Windows Media format, given that the iPod is incompatible with WMA and represents about 80% of the target market.

      There simply isn't any reason for an online music store that isn't owned by Microsoft to offer downloads that are incompatible with around about 80% of the devices that people own.

      More to the point. Microsoft is only offering the Zune as a means of pushing its own audio format. Yet even Zune customers will be now able to play DRM free tracks from the iTMS. Microsoft has just caught up to the idea that you have to have a closed system to succeed (which was never the case, as Jobs' said in his letter a couple of months back), and now they will have to go home and think again.

      Steve Jobs has just succeeded in the first step of completely destroying Microsoft's music strategy, and no-one seems to have noticed. He must be chuckling to himself.

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    5. Re:Good job everyone! by WhyDoYouWantToKnow · · Score: 5, Funny

      Believe me, no encouragement is needed.

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    6. Re:Good job everyone! by sgant · · Score: 4, Interesting

      no pleasing some people. If they offered it at the same price, they'd still complain that not ALL the music on iTunes is DRM free. Once they do that, then they'd complain about the .99 cents saying it's too much.

      If Apple gave away the music for free in FLAC or Apple Lossless people would STILL complain ("these files are too big...etc etc").

      Again, no pleasing some people. Even though you could buy the full album at the higher bitrate AND it being DRM free AND it's still cheaper than buying the physical CD. pfft....

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    7. Re:Good job everyone! by jonesy16 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd mod you up if I had any points. I think you hit the nail on the head. There are people (they seem to frequent the slashdot site) that cannot be pleased by any means. People are getting "twice" as much product (double the size, double the bit-rate), plus non-DRM for FREE! Yet they complain that a single cost an extra 30 cents. They complain that Apple uses AAC (which I've gotten to play on every OS) and which also has a very decent reputation for great sound quality. They complain that iTunes only runs on Windows and Mac (covering what, 95% of the user market). But luckily for the rest of us, that hasn't stopped Apple/Jobs from continuing to do great things for consumers.

    8. Re:Good job everyone! by Admiral+Ag · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, but I recall EMI saying that other companies would be selling DRM free music from EMI's catalogue, not just Apple.

      It makes no sense to offer those downloads in WMA format. Why lock out 80% of the user base? If I was an online music retailer, I would sell mp3s. Apple doesn't care about AAC the way that Microsoft cares about WMA. WMA is Microsoft's attempt to control digital music the way they control operating systems. AAC is the format Apple used so that they could have the DRM that the labels wanted.

      Today's announcement if the other labels go for it means that they have failed!!! failed!!!! FAILED!!!!!!! ...at this very moment chairs are being lifted into orbit from Redmond.

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    9. Re:Good job everyone! by znu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "But DJCacophony," you may say, "there are other players that can handle unprotected AAC." I am well aware of this, but the fact of the matter is that there aren't a whole lot, and Jobs knows this.

      This is a silly argument. True, there aren't a lot of other players that do AAC now. But if being compatible with iTunes downloads is as useful to Apple's competitors as you imply, they'll all support it pretty fast. The notion that Apple should adopt an inferior format just to save its competitors the trouble of implementing AAC is frankly ludicrous.

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    10. Re:Good job everyone! by SenseiLeNoir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly, and I will be buying..

      I REALLY don't mind paying that for 256kbps non DRM AAC.

      To be honest, I expected that they were going to spoil it by charging $2, but $1.30 is very reasonable.

      Time for us to encourage it, by actually buying these songs.

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    11. Re:Good job everyone! by notthe9 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, the Zune supports AAC.

    12. Re:Good job everyone! by nine-times · · Score: 5, Informative

      There are other reasons why Apple would stick with AAC beyond lock-in. First, AAC was designed to provide better sound quality at the same bitrate-- whether it delivers on this seems to depend on a few things, particularly the encoders you're comparing, but AAC is an MPEG standard developed to be better than MP3. Also, MP3 has additional legal (patent) issues which might be important for someone running an online store. According to the Wikipedia article, AAC doesn't require royalty payments for distribution. In other words, using MP3 would force Apple to pay royalties on their music sales, and AAC doesn't.

      Beyond that, Apple can't prevent anyone from making AAC encoders/decoders, so there really is no lock-in to complain of.

    13. Re:Good job everyone! by Admiral+Ag · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't disagree that both Apple and Microsoft use DRM because the music industry makes them.

      But my original point was not about DRM, but about a format war. On the one hand, we have formats that are available to all stores, like AAC and mp3. Neither of these formats are owned by Apple. WMA on the other hand is owned by Microsoft, and the purpose of WMA was to create a default audio format controlled by Microsoft.

      As a minority marketshare holder in the computer market, Apple has an interest in making sure that the most popular formats for audio (and video) are able to play on Macs. If not, Mac users will be locked out from most content on the internet. Microsoft's shameful and half hearted attempts to make Windows Media Mac compatible are a case in point.

      As the leader in marketshare among PC operating systems, Microsoft does not need to worry about its users being locked out of content. It makes no sense for any content provider to ignore Windows users. WMA does not exist for any other reason than to try to ensure that Microsoft has proprietary control over digital media content, and that "open" standards do not give users a reason to abandon Windows in favour of the Mac or some other OS.

      Apple's use of media formats is primarily defensive in nature (although not always). Microsoft's is just another attempt by that company to exert monopoly power.

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    14. Re:Good job everyone! by SenseiLeNoir · · Score: 4, Informative

      OF course, there would be more players that can play MP3s than any other format. But to say only a few can play AAC is pure humbug.

      Of the players in my house:
      SonyEricsson K800i: MP3, AAC, Real
      SonyEricsson W880i: MP3, AAC, Real
      Panasonic DVD player: MP3, WMA
      Jaguar Audio Connectivity Module: MP3, AAC
      iPaq (with TCP): MP3, Vorbis, WMA, AAC (and many more)
      PSP portable: MP3, AAC (maybe ATRAC, but not sure)
      CD Player: MP3, AAC (m4a), WMA

      in this list.. AAC is well represented in all but the Panasonic DVD player.

      But more so, the current future is Phones with Music Players, Nokia, Sony Ericssons (both walkman and non walkman) Motorola and SAmsung seem committed to providing AAC, as opposed to WMA.

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    15. Re:Good job everyone! by CaptMoroni · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you are completely wrong. If there is one thing that should be fairly obvious to the world, it is that Steve Jobs quite unlike other CEOs. Yes, he is a very good a managing public perception, but, when he says he loves music and writes a letter regarding DRM - He is NOT just blowing marketing smoke. If it was any other CEO, I'd ask myself if they were just positioning things to their own strategic advantage. With Steve, I'm pretty certain that what he says is what he is truely passionate about. If he thought DRM was the future, he would ride the company into the toilet supporting it. If he says that it is a barrier to the success of the music industry and Apple would give it up if they could - that is what he truely believes in his heart.

    16. Re:Good job everyone! by pkulak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You've got to be kidding, right? AAC is an open spec. It's more efficient then MP3, uses less power to decode (important for portable devices), and isn't saddled with 14 different, incompatible tagging schemes. It's also the format that Apple customers expect. Not only that, but just about every player that can handle MP3 can also handle LC AAC.

      That's fine that you've got some MP3 player from the nineties, but stop trying to find things to complain about and drop 80 bucks on something that can handle the newer format. Technology does become obsolete, you know.

    17. Re:Good job everyone! by rolfwind · · Score: 5, Funny

      Today's announcement if the other labels go for it means that they have failed!!! failed!!!! FAILED!!!!!!! ...at this very moment chairs are being lifted into orbit from Redmond.


      Wow, there's a new business model here!

      1. Strap payload to chair.
      2. Place chair near Ballmer.
      3. Thwart one of Microsoft's business plans.
      3. Profit!

      See, no missing step!
    18. Re:Good job everyone! by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't fool yourself, DRM'd WMA and DRM'd AAC serve the same purpose; To attempt to control the online music industry, and to attempt to control what people do with the music they buy online.

      Apple doesn't own AAC. It is a standard, like MP3. MS does own WMA and has patents on it. Apple is close to having monopoly influence with their iPod product. MS has monopoly influence with Windows. Apple bundles AAC with iPods. MS bundles WMA with Windows. Can you objectively look at what this implies?

      Apple got into the music business to counter MS's takeover via a proprietary format. They had to include DRM because a cartel runs the show and required it, but Apple managed to negotiate looser restrictions than anyone previous to them. I doubt Apple even planned to make it big with the iPod. I think they saw it as a way to stop MS from locking macs out of the new generation of music and making them second or third class players. Apple still does not significantly benefit from DRM, which is why they have been pushing to remove it. They don't need a lock-in for their player since most people don't use Apple supplied music anyway. The customer confusion and bad press probably costs them more than the lock-in makes them.

      Microsoft or Apple could demand DRM-less music and record industries would have to comply, because they know they would lose tons of money to piracy or lack of purchasing if they didn't.

      MS might be able to make such a demand, but I doubt it. Apple sure can't. Online music sales are still a tiny fraction of the market and the RIAA is not afraid of breaking the law as they've proved numerous times. For MS, DRM is a benefit as it adds more lock-in to Windows, which is what they care about. To Apple, it is a detriment because they don't make any money on the music itself and they've already done everything they can to mitigate the lock-in.

    19. Re:Good job everyone! by soft_guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Steve Jobs has just succeeded in the first step of completely destroying Microsoft's music strategy I'd hardly call this a "first step" - it is more like "yet another step". Apple has done a pretty good job of shutting down Microsoft's music/media initiatives for years (i.e. Plays4Shit).
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    20. Re:Good job everyone! by Thrudheim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Publicity stunt? Come off it. Jobs said that if the labels would agree to go with DRM-free music Apple would do it in a heartbeat. Then, he cuts a landmark deal with one of the big four do do precisely that! Some people just won't stop complaining. Apple is always the bad guy, no matter what they do. First, they get accused of trying to lock everybody into a propriety format. Then, they make music available with no copy restrictions, and people still complain.

      You act like the record companies are blameless when it comes to DRM. Did you notice the reaction to Jobs's letter from Warner execs? They want DRM and Jobs was absolutely right to focus blame on them since Apple, rather than the labels, is getting the attention from Norwegian and other European consumer regulatory agencies.

      Personally, I am very glad that they didn't use mp3 format. AAC is better. It's too bad more manufacturers players haven't bothered to adopt this open format. It's not like they haven't had YEARS to get on board. At the vary least, they should have seen millions of iTunes users import their CDs into AAC format and had the smarts to figure out that giving their players the ability to play this freely-available format might give them the ability to win some customers who didn't want to transcode all their files. Even Microsoft was able to figure this out with the Zune. Sony has done it too, finally, which only makes sense since they were part of the group that helped develop it.

      This is huge. A stake to the heart of DRM on music. Applaud it. Press for the other big labels to do the same. Enjoy DRM-free and transcodable high-bit rate files.

    21. Re:Good job everyone! by teh+kurisu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Paying more money to get what you should get in the first place?

      'Should'? What you should get in any deal involving money is exactly what you asked for. In this case, 99c/79p gets you a 128 kb/s DRM'd track. If you don't think it's worth it then by all means don't buy, but don't think for a second that you have any entitlement to anything more. Charging as much as your customers are willing to pay is a mainstay of market economics, and to be honest paying an extra 20p for a higher-quality, DRM-less track looks pretty enticing to me.

      I've also got to say that it's pretty typical of the Slashdot crowd to be bitching and moaning even after we get exactly what we want. It's a step in the right fucking direction, be glad that it's happening at all.

      I wouldn't pay a dollar for a downloaded copy of a song. I'm sure as hell not going to pay a dollar thirty. For that price - or less - I could buy a physical CD and rip it.

      For a single song? One of the advantages of the iTunes Store for me is being able to cherry-pick the songs that I want from an album, without paying for the songs I don't like. I've been willing to put up with the DRM up until now for that very reason. Sure as hell beats buying a physical single for £2.99.

    22. Re:Good job everyone! by squidfood · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I REALLY don't mind paying that for 256kbps non DRM AAC.

      I'm surprised I haven't seen this on the thread, but will we all need iPods with bigger drives now? Mine's maxed at the lower sample rate. Is that the other win for Jobs?

    23. Re:Good job everyone! by The_Wilschon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would, if only it were possible to buy from them without installing bloody iTunes on my computer! If someone knows of a way to do that which I just haven't found yet, please let me know.

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    24. Re:Good job everyone! by soft_guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How about the fact that he just put his money where his mouth is and there is DRM free music on iTunes today? (Duh, that's what this article is about.)

      There were a lot of people like you who said "oh, he'd never do it - he just doesn't want to take the heat for supporting DRM". OK, well you were proved wrong.

      Yes, Steve Jobs wants his companies to be successful. And lately he has been doing a pretty good job of it. The cool thing about Steve is that consistantly through his career he has done that by focusing on quality and innovation. Compare him to someone like Jack Tramiel who made his career and built his businesses by cost cutting and underhanded dealing (stabbing partners, suppliers, and employees in the back, not keeping his word, etc.)

      Seriously, not all business people are exactly the same and Steve Jobs is a very good businessman in the best sense of that word.

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    25. Re:Good job everyone! by CaptMoroni · · Score: 5, Interesting

      20 years of watching the man, as well as many other technology CEOs + 6 years of working for him. He is passionate about some things amd music is one of them. He manages his brand (meaning the brand of "Steve Jobs") even more carefully than he manages the Apple brand, and I can tell you that he cares deeply about music and that he would NEVER write a public letter to the industry as a cheap bit of marketing hype. The fact that, within weeks of that letter, Apple has taken today's step of releasing DRM free music in a higher bit rate and in an open standard format provides hard evidence that he wasn't blowing smoke.

    26. Re:Good job everyone! by brouski · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As of right now, AllofMP3 is still up. /shrug

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    27. Re:Good job everyone! by revscat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Cynicism is not always justifiable. Sometimes there are exceptions to the standard corporate CEO it's-all-about-the-profit that is so common. Jobs seems to be one of those exceptions. Yes, he is ultimately responsible for maintaining Apple's profitability, but how he pursues that is what makes him apparently different. It is easy to brush it all off as nothing more than the usual, but I do not think the situation (or the man) is quite as simple as that.

    28. Re:Good job everyone! by NtroP · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The 30 cents not only buys you a DRM free version, but also a higher quality version. So you pay 30 cents for twice the bit rate and no DRM. I, personally, think it's a decent deal.

      You are forgetting something here. Most of the "iTMS suxorz" and "DRM suxorz" crowd that say "sell me high quality, DRM-free music, and I will pay for it" have now had their bluff called and now they're pissed. They never intended to pay for content in the first place. They will still pirate their music.

      If Apple would have just come out and said "We are now offering 'audiophiles' higher quality AAC encoding for a small premium" and kept the DRM you'd still have the same crowd saying "What? It should be loss-less for $0.30!", or "I'd buy it if it wasn't for the shitty DRM!". But now they are showing their true colors. They will whine about anything if it means they have to pay for it. Look at some of the comments: "OMFG, it should be in .mp3 format! AAC suxorz! MP3 roxorz!"

      Give me a break. Personally, the audio equipment I usually play my content on is not of sufficient quality and not in an acoustically-correct enough environment (my iPod, my car, my living-room) to be likely to tell any difference in the higher-quality format. At this point it will come down to "Am I willing to pay $.30 extra for DRM-free content?". I have to say that, even though my music collection is end-to-end Apple-compatible (iTMS->iTunes->AppleTV-or-iPod) I still prefer to make a statement about DRM-free music and will choose to put my $$ where my mouth is. As a "bonus" I get a higher bit-rate encoding, which, who knows, may sound better. Do I wish I could get all of this for $0.00 or the whole ball-of-wax for only $.49? Yes. But, oh well.

      I don't like DRM any more than the next guy, but I've moved out of my parent's basement and have discovered that, in the real world, you actually have to pay for things. Even thought the restrictions should never have been there in the first place, I am willing to pay for that "added benefit" of no restrictions. The "yeah, but my 'XYZ MP3 player' won't play the superior AAC encoded content" argument doesn't affect me because my "MP3 player" can. I feel sorry for you. Call the company up and tell them you want a version that plays AAC content. I think more of them will now. All of Apple's content is already in AAC format, why should they change and sell it in MP3 format which would have to be larger to keep the same quality? Besides, isn't Apple already in a lawsuit about MP3s?

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    29. Re:Good job everyone! by garbletext · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The big difference between the two is that ripping CDs cannot be automated by an easy free program (since you have to manually insert the CDs). It's simple to transcode a big batch of files to mp3 though, and modern CPUS can chew through most collections in a night.

    30. Re:Good job everyone! by cthellis · · Score: 4, Funny

      So remember folks... not only is Apple at fault when they don't support open standards like OGG, but they're also at fault when others don't support open standards like AAC!

    31. Re:Good job everyone! by Admiral+Ag · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm going to take the liberty of assuming you are not deliberately being a troll, and that you are not posting from Redmond.

      "How can you claim that Microsoft is trying to control the music industry and Apple isn't, when Microsoft is the only one of the two who implements an open-format DRM scheme to foster interoperability?"

      Very easily. Microsoft's "open format DRM scheme" is only open to anyone who wants to sell audio files to users of Microsoft Windows. It fosters interoperability between producers of audio content and devices and MICROSOFT software products. Strangely, it does not seem to foster interoperability between said producers of audio content and devices with anyone other than MICROSOFT.

      Again, the point is not about DRM, but about WMA (DRMed or not). Microsoft's attempt to make WMA a standard had only one purpose: to exert proprietary control over online music and to lock out competitors by making sure that the only "interoperability" available involved sucking at the sweaty, Ballmerian Microsoft teat.

      Non DRMed AAC (what Apple wants to offer and is now actually offering) does not lock users into Apple products at all. Apple products will play them, but so will other products. And you can throw away all your Apple products, buy someone else's stuff, and still play them.

      Try playing your WMAs with decent quality if you decide you hate the pus filled sac that is Windows. See the difference?

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    32. Re:Good job everyone! by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who owns what format is irrelevant, what is relevant is who can play them.

      Agreed.

      DRM'd WMA? Hundreds of different mp3 players from tons of companies.

      Yes, only those people MS is willing to license to and who pay MS. MS can use this to kill off anyone in this space they don't like or degrade service. This means they can prevent Linux from playing most new music, or the mac, or even competing players in the future if they decide to push the Zune.

      DRM'd AAC? ONE mp3 player from ONE company.

      Yeah, no one else has bothered to wrap AAC in DRM, but anyone that wants to can do so and neither Apple nor MS can stop them. More importantly, this also holds true for non-DRM'd versions of the same, which is not the case with WMA.

      How can you claim that Microsoft is trying to control the music industry and Apple isn't, when Microsoft is the only one of the two who implements an open-format DRM scheme to foster interoperability?

      MS does not implement an open format DRM scheme. Their format is closed and their DRM is closed and all of it is proprietary. They simply licensed it temporarily to hundreds of companies who make hardware because they did not have hardware of their own. Now they have hardware and you'll note there are already compatibility problems between the Zune, the Zune store, and other WMA players.

      Look to motivation. Apple has no real way to "take over" the music market. Nothing they have done stops anyone else from doing the same thing. Apple also has consistently made moves to lessen and remove DRM, including making public statements that they would prefer if they could license DRM free music and now their pushing for a label to remove DRM. If their plan was to control the music industry, why would they do this?

      Apple uses music sales as a way to sell iPods and a way to stop MS from leveraging one more market against them. For both those purposes DRM-less AAC or MP3 or another standard works fine. DRM-less WMA, is still an MS controlled format, with MS being the only one who can agree or not agree to some implementation of it.

    33. Re:Good job everyone! by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ahh, but apple CAN make that argument!!! Apple is in the top five music retailers... right behind Walmart and Target... Apple and iTunes is NOT trivial anymore...

      Walmart and Target together make up about 45% of sales. Apple's iTMS makes up about 3% last I looked. Just because Apple is in the top 5 does not indicate they have anything close to the power of either Walmart or Target.

      Apple is about to have even MORE power than that!!

      Not really. With the move away from DRM, music and music sales become more of a commodity, not less. Sure Apple may gain some influence, but seeing as they aren't making any actual money on music sales, only on the iPod and Mac sales it enables, I don't see them as any credible threat to the music market and a possible benefit as indy bands are given the same exposure as major labels.

    34. Re:Good job everyone! by Rich0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Other mp3 player vendors out there will probably drop wma support and pick up AAC quickly if this takes off. Both formats are better than mp3, but AAC is a lot less encumbered than wma, and now ipod owners can consider buying your player as their second device without having to re-buy their entire collection, and vendors can make software that will import itunes songs without running into the DMCA.

      For its part, apple enlargens its itunes market to many more players, and now becomes the dominant distributor.

      Sounds like a win-win for everyone. Even MS since it greatly increases the value of their zune players - maybe they can even reduce the DRM-encumbering of their file sharing if the underlying files aren't DRM'ed in the first place.

      And watermarking will discourage random trading of files with complete strangers on P2P nets. And if price/convenience is set at the right level people will pay money. Right now people with non-ipods probably tend to find allofmp3/etc more convenient than most of the DRM'ed alternatives. If Apple makes a nice open itunes API those same people might be buying from itunes...

    35. Re:Good job everyone! by PygmySurfer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I fail to see how AAC is less "fair-use-friendly" than MP3, considering its a more open format.

      Perhaps you should be pressuring vendors of non-AAC compatible MP3 players to adopt open formats, rather than slamming Apple FOR their adoption of an open standard.

    36. Re:Good job everyone! by Movi · · Score: 2, Informative

      I just bought some DRM-Free iTunes Music. Everything as advertised - no DRM, 256kbs quality. For those that complain about the format, you can EASILY have it in MP3 format.

      Howto Follows>
      Launch your iTunes, Go to Preferences -> Advanced -> Importing. Select desired format in "Import Using.." (You have AAC, MP3, AIFF, Apple Lossless and WAV), select quality (if applicable), Ok.

      Now right-click your DRM-Free music, and select "Convert to $your_chosen_format". Tada!

    37. Re:Good job everyone! by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think you can throw down on AAC...AAC is an open standard, developed by the same people who developed mp3 (technically AAC = mp4), and it's got substantially better quality than mp3 as well. AAC and ogg are the only two formats I'm willing to encode cd's into.

      The fact that a lot of players choose to only support mp3 is a sign of their own shortsightedness, not some special virtue.

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    38. Re:Good job everyone! by ncc74656 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Jobs didn't want that, though. He didn't want universally compatible music, he wanted ipod-and-only-ipod compatible music, which is why these new higher priced songs are only offered in AAC. It allows him to keep leveraging his near-monopoly between itunes and ipods in the same manner that Apple-DRM-Protected files did.

      Was I only imagining that my Palm Tungsten T was playing AAC audio (downloaded from the iTunes Music Store and decrypted with the software available at the time)? Is the other poster who said the Zune can play AAC audio BSing us all?

      Maybe it's just that Apple wants to offer a better product. AAC delivers better audio quality at a given bitrate than MP3, and it's supported by a wider variety of hardware and software than you think. Just because it doesn't work with your no-name fresh-off-the-boat $30 player doesn't mean it sucks. I ripped my CD collection into 192-kbps AAC (with K3B and FAAC, not with iTunes), and everything plays on my Linux boxen, my Mac, my iPod, and my Treo (would still work on the Tungsten if I could find it) without issue.

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    39. Re:Good job everyone! by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Jobs didn't want that, though. He didn't want universally compatible music, he wanted ipod-and-only-ipod compatible music, which is why these new higher priced songs are only offered in AAC.

      Sony and Archos (at minimum) make players which support AAC. Commercial libraries like BASS and Alarity support encoding and decoding of AAC. FAAD2 is a free/open AAC decoder. The Helix Community has supplied a decoder which supports AAC (and lots of other things.) You can get Cellphone AAC Players for Symbian or Windows Mobile.

      Can you please explain again how non-DRM'd AAC audio files create Apple lock-in?

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    40. Re:Good job everyone! by Thrudheim · · Score: 4, Informative
      Here's the proof that Jobs' letter was not just some publicity stunt. During the question-and-answer at today's press conference, EMI CEO Eric Nicoli was asked this:

      Q: It's a pretty radical step, Eric. How did you reach the decision to do it? Was it Steve Jobs' letter that convinced you? Was it the internal surveys you've done? What was the moment in which you said, "Damn it, we're gonna go DRM-free?" And will the extra sales be enough to compensate for the declining physical sales?

      A: We've always known Steve's view on the subject, long before his open letter.

      Jobs, it seems, has long been advocating this position to the labels behind closed doors. The letter just made these views public. I assume he was getting frustrated with all the complaints about Apple being the bad-guy on DRM and wanted to redraw the lines of responsibility. The full transcript can be seen here: http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2624
    41. Re:Good job everyone! by JQuick · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In your pathetic straw-man argument, you failed to acknowledge the fact that Apple refuses to license their DRM scheme to other mp3 players in order to form a monopoly, whereas Microsoft happily licenses their DRM scheme to whoever asks for it in order to encourage interoperability. I think you are seriously mistaken on both the points you tried to make.

      1. You claim that Apple refuses to license FairPlay DRM in order to form a monopoly. While this is, indeed, a possible interpretation it is unlikely. Remember that when the iTunes music store launched, Apple needed to negotiate with the studios to reach agreement about iTunes DRM. At that date, the only alternatives were to create a new standard or use a form of DRM licensed from a third party (e.g. Microsoft, Real Media, etc.) Since Apple hoped the market would grow rapidly, it would have been foolish for them to pay royalties on the format as well as the content to third parties on each song sold. Also note, that at the time (and to my knowledge to this date) no DRM format developed for windows has been ported by a third party to work on the Mac. There is no need to suspect them of trying to form a DRM monopoly when simpler and less sinister motives explain the matter well. Apple has always claimed that they wanted to make DRM as open as possible given the restrictions imposed by the Media companies. Jobs then posted an open letter claiming that Apple would love to sell DRM free music and encouraged the Media owners to let them do so. He also explained (on technical rather than marketing grounds) why licensing fairplay DRM made no sense for Apple. Now that higher quality, DRM free music is available, Apple is the first to offer it.

      All of this contradicts your claim that Apple refuses to license for reasons of forming a monopoly in a DRM format.

      2. You praise Microsoft for "happily licensing their DRM scheme" to all other parties. That is currently not the case. In order to compete with the iPod an iTunes Microsoft developed the "Plays for sure" campaign using a proprietary DRM which worked only on Windows and on compliant players. They then licensed this to player manufacturers. This not only did not "Play for sure" since some puchased media would not play on all supposedly compliant devices. When the attempt to control the software and media format failed to gain share against iPod+iTunes, Microsoft then came up with the Zune approach.

      Their DRM is more restrictive and less portable on computers than Apple's (Apple DRM also works on PCs but Microsoft DRM does not support Macs). They screwed their partners by dropping support for play for sure media in their hardware product, and not licensing Zune media to third party players.

      How can you claim that Microsoft's foray into the music space was more open than Apple?

    42. Re:Good job everyone! by Merusdraconis · · Score: 2, Informative
      What leads you to believe this?

      The way he isn't quite rooted in reality.

      Kidding aside, it's interesting to look at the conversations Jobs was having with Disney executives as head of Pixar (the book Disneywar has reproductions of these conversations) - he refused to deal with Disney until they got rid of Eisner as Jobs had recognised that Eisner was, essentially, a lying scumbag who couldn't be trusted. It's certainly possible to see it in terms of a business deal - Jobs surely thought he could get better money elsewhere as the group that saved Disney after Katzenburg left (who oversaw Disney's animated projects from The Little Mermaid to The Lion King), and he probably knew that Eisner didn't value Pixar - but I think it's more interesting that Jobs made an issue out of Eisner at all, not that Jobs was only willing to make a deal if Disney agreed to what they saw as ludicrous demands.

      I don't think anyone is ignorant enough to forget that Jobs is a CEO of a public company, and thus will make moves that are in the best financial interests of the company. The contention is 'how much money will this make' is not the only thing Jobs will consider when making strategy decisions, and I think that's probably true.

    43. Re:Good job everyone! by PyroMosh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Now the question is what will happen going forward, when AmErIcAnIdOl62614 logs on to ITMS, and sees the following choice:

      Artist                Title            DRM Price          DRM-free Price
      Justin Timberlake      Something        $.99(click here)   $1.29(click here)
      Justin Timberlake      Some Song        $.99(click here)   $1.29(click here)

      Where is the average joe and jane six pack going to click?

    44. Re:Good job everyone! by nine-times · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The logic is that the record labels want to offer an economic incentive to purchase whole albums. It's no secret that the record industry usually wants you to buy albums rather than buying individual songs. This is a decision on the label's end, not Apple's end.

    45. Re:Good job everyone! by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 4, Funny

      I know I won't be happy until I can pick music filled MP3 players off of trees growing in public parks. And even then only if the tree seeds from which these music player trees sprouted weren't produced by the Monsanto Corporation, or planted by illegal immigrants, or prison chain gangs, or anyone in a hat or in any way asociated with any kind of nudity whatsoever.

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    46. Re:Good job everyone! by osu-neko · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sometimes there are exceptions to the standard corporate CEO it's-all-about-the-profit that is so common.

      You know, I've witnessed a heated argument between my old company's CEO/President and its Vice President, where the CEO was stubbornly sticking to his guns in the face of the VP's proof of how this was costing the company money. It was almost absurd, indeed the VP was laughing out loud at many points in the face of the CEO's apparent complete disregard for the idea that the point of the company is to make money. But like any good CEO, our CEO had a vision of where we wanted to be, and the right way to get there, and we were going to do it right, profits be damned. Of course, part of that conviction was that if you did the right thing, the profits would eventually follow, so perhaps its just another brand of "it's-all-about-the-profit" attitude, with a longer-term view, but regardless, the pragmatic effect is that the CEO was more interested in doing what's right than in what would generally be regarded as profitable.

      And he wasn't the only one, just the example that sticks out in my mind most, after that day and that argument, giving me a really nice inside peek into the mind of a very successful CEO, hearing him articulate his reasoning not to outsiders or even employees in general, but to a couple of his most trusted insiders.

      Given this, I have trouble swallowing the cynical stereotype that it seems most people have about the typical CEO. Maybe the ones I've known have been atypical. I imagine it's skewed by the fact in the cases I've known, the CEO was also one of the founders of the company -- necessarily a group with "the vision-thing". But guess what, Steve Jobs was a founder of most of his companies too, including Apple.

      My own experience makes most of the cynical assessments of Jobs actions and motives sound improbable to me. It's not that these kinds of CEO's aren't interested in profit, it's just that they tend to think long-term, and have unshakable confidence that doing "the right thing" will be what's most profitable in the long run. They're high on idealism, often apparently low on the "connected to reality" meter, and except in the face of certain disaster, willing to sacrifice profits for what they think is right. And sometimes, not even certain disaster dissuades them, which is what causes boards of directors to oust them from the CEO position as often as they do, and as happened to Steve Jobs at least once.

      So, go ahead, keep your cynicism. I've known these kinds of people before, in all their apparent looniness, and from knowing them, I know it's far more believable that Jobs did what did because be believes its right than as part of some ploy.

      --
      "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
    47. Re:Good job everyone! by Supercrunch · · Score: 2, Funny

      OK then let's all give a hand to Jobs. Hand...Jobs, wait, that doesn't work either....

    48. Re:Good job everyone! by shotfeel · · Score: 3, Informative

      AAC is an MPEG standard format and is the official successor to MP3; a.k.a. it's "MP4."

      I'm glad someone finally stated that. AAC is not just any standard, it is the MPEG/ISO standard.

      IOW, AAC is to MPEG4 what MP3 is to MPEG2. As you stated, AAC is the official successor to MP3. That's why Apple chose it when they did. At the same time MPEG4 became their standard for video AAC became their standard for audio. That was before the iTMS even went on line.

  2. Alright Slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    .. everyone who wanted DRM-free music put your money where your mouth is!

    1. Re:Alright Slashdot... by Carthag · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah but it's not ogg, and the iTunes Music Store is propietary (what's with not being allowed to run your own iTMS????) and ...

    2. Re:Alright Slashdot... by mithras+the+prophet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How can I search the iTunes Store by label? I don't have the foggiest idea who is and who is not on EMI...

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    3. Re:Alright Slashdot... by wrook · · Score: 2, Informative

      I definitely would... except...

      I can't run itunes on my computer (maybe it works under Wine? I haven't tried that).

      But the more important issue is... I'm currently interested in Japanese bands and they don't seem to want to sell this to me in Canada. I would literally jump at the chance to buy music, DRM free, at $1.20 per song. Shipping the damn CD's into Canada costs me a mint. Luckily I can bundle it with my manga purchases, but I'm still looking at close to $30 for most CDs (each) to get it here.

      So until Sony/BMG (the distributor that distributes most of the music I listen to) gets their head out of their ass, there's little I can do :-( Maybe if I pirate more music they will try to sell it to me (fat chance!) But if I continue to buy it the way I am, they will *never* try to sell it to me another way. Man... the record companies suck...

    4. Re:Alright Slashdot... by CaptnMArk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It would be better to have a

      [ ] search for DRM crippled songs

      checkbox.

    5. Re:Alright Slashdot... by mgv · · Score: 4, Informative

      But the more important issue is... I'm currently interested in Japanese bands and they don't seem to want to sell this to me in Canada. I would literally jump at the chance to buy music, DRM free, at $1.20 per song. Shipping the damn CD's into Canada costs me a mint. Luckily I can bundle it with my manga purchases, but I'm still looking at close to $30 for most CDs (each) to get it here.

      How about buying some Japanese iTunes gift cards on eBay?

      Certainly I use US iTunes gift cards in Australia...

      Michael

      --
      There is no cryptographic solution to the problem where the intended receiver and the attacker are the same entity.
    6. Re:Alright Slashdot... by OS24Ever · · Score: 4, Informative

      A few bands...

      Pink Floyd, David Gilmour, Kraftwerk, and Kate Bush. These are some listed on their website EMI Records UK. I don't know if that's the label, or if it's the entire EMI Group.

      If that's the case, You've got the Beach Boys, David Bowie, Coldplay, Duran Duran, Gorillaz...OK Go, Liz Phair...

      Wow, I might be upgrading a few of those.

      --

      As a rock-in-roll Physicist once said, No matter where you go, there you are.

    7. Re:Alright Slashdot... by tajmorton · · Score: 3, Informative

      Does this mean they'll work on any music player that supports AAC? Does this mean I don't need an iPod to play them on someplace other than my PC?
      Yes.
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    8. Re:Alright Slashdot... by zsau · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They've released a free client for free operating systems now too? I didn't notice that part. Otherwise, it'll be more than a little difficult for me to buy them in the first place.

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  3. Re:New prices by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So you can pay more for the service that you should have had in the first place?

    Uh, no? Jobs isn't stupid. As the summary says, these files are encoded at a much higher bitrate. So what you're really paying more for is higher quality files. Of course, you could get higher quality files on anti-DRM principles, but the result is still the same: You get twice the "standard" bitrate for about 30% more. You can decide for yourself if that's a deal or not.
  4. EMI Press by ack154 · · Score: 3, Informative

    There's also an EMI Press Release.

  5. American way... Super size by vision33r · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just like McDonalds you can Super size for $0.30 more that gives you more than you actually need to consume.

  6. Wait a Minute by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 2, Interesting

    DRM is *very expensive to produce. There's the R&D costs, programming, buying up congresspeople. How is the DRM going to make a profit if their product's marginal utility (apparently) is -$.30?

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    1. Re:Wait a Minute by Itchy+Rich · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How is the DRM going to make a profit if their product's marginal utility (apparently) is -$.30?

      Without DRM there'd be far less excuse to charge extra for the DRM-free version. The $1.30 version will subsidise the $1 DRM-encumbered version.

      It's a bit like the way the supermarkets virtually wiped out tastier (but odd-looking) varieties of fruit and veg for cosmetic reasons. They're then selling them back to us as luxury items now we're used to eating the pretty (but tasteless) varieties.

    2. Re:Wait a Minute by jmp_nyc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Without DRM there'd be far less excuse to charge extra for the DRM-free version. The $1.30 version will subsidise the $1 DRM-encumbered version.

      Don't ignore the other tidbit in the announcement about the re-release of the music. It's all going to be released 256kbps, rather than the current iTunes Store standard of 128kbps. So if you buy DRM-free music from iTunes, you're actually getting a higher quality rip than they previously sold. There's a very small number of people who can hear the difference, although a larger number of people think it matters. Either way, Apple has actually improved the quality of the deliverable, not just removed DRM.

      At twice the bitrate, the songs use twice the bandwidth when downloaded, so Apple even has slightly higher real costs on the new downloads, although I doubt that the incremental increase in cost is as high as 30 cents per song...
      -JMP

    3. Re:Wait a Minute by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sorry if I misunderstood your post -- I thought you were saying that the supermarkets planned to introduce flavorless produce so they could charge more for premium produce.

      Anecdotally:

      I grew up on a small farm in NJ -- and believe me, by 1988, we couldn't sell tomatoes to the supermarkets at all -- because we grew beefsteaks, which have a shelf-life of only a few days and bruise easily when handled. This is as opposed to the crappy globe tomatoes bred to last for weeks on the shelf, which are also resistant to bruising. So, we switched to producing the globe tomatoes, which we could sell to distributors, who sold to the supermarkets. Eventually that too became unprofitable, since we didn't have the economies of scale as some of the southern growers, though our produce was much better (sheep manure is an *incredible* fertilizer). End result? Out of farming; one less small producer who might have grown heirloom tomatoes today due to their resurgence. This is especially true because most heirloom varieties depend on the grower being local to the market, since they don't travel well when ripe, and don't taste good when not ripe.

      The elimination of locally-grown produce has been repeated ad nauseum in farms since the industrial revolution; homogenization of crops and produce varietals for economies of scale resulting in less choice for consumers -- though it has its benefits, such as lower retail cost and greater non-seasonal availability.

      Market forces are neither the consumers' nor the producers' fault. They just are. Could things have happened differently? Sure, but we're stuck with the way things are now, for better or worse. I'm just glad I have enough land to grow my own.

      --
      "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
  7. Re:New prices by ClaraBow · · Score: 2, Insightful
    From the story: Consumers will pay a higher price for the premium singles, but the same price for albums either with or without the copy protection software.

    I think this is a good deal for people like me who like to buy the whole album instead of singles. We get higher quality at the same price without being locked-in.

  8. $9.99 Albums will be 256kbps/DRM Free by scifience · · Score: 5, Informative

    I didn't see it mentioned in a brief look at the articles above, but albums will automatically be 256kbps and DRM free at the normal price. This should help encourage album sales. Ideally, they would offer the lower quality songs without DRM as well, but this is undoubtedly prevented by their current contracts with the other labels. Only by offering a new "product" were they able to remove the DRM. This is the same reason that they are unable to remove the DRM from songs released by indie labels that requested no DRM.

    1. Re:$9.99 Albums will be 256kbps/DRM Free by Jugalator · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sssh! We can't complain about that pricing, so take your facts elsewhere, OK? ;-)

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  9. He's finally done it... by thomis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I hereby rescind my Apple-phobia. Jobs has achieved a BIG GOOD THING.
    Good on ya, Steve! /you'll still have to pry my iRiver out of my twitching, techno-spazzed fingers.

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  10. What is the justification by zeoslap · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So what exactly is their justification for leaving DRM on the $0.99 tracks? It can't be that they are afraid people will release them into the wild if the higher quality tracks are now DRM free, so why not remove it?

    1. Re:What is the justification by clifyt · · Score: 2, Informative

      I know if the prices on something that I got use to were raised 30%, I'd be pissed.

      Even as a sometimes pro-musician (the RIAA kind that everyone here hates), I really don't care much about the quality of the recordings...if I want something great, I'll just see the artist live. Recordings are always a compromised solution anyways (anyone talking about 'lossless' music really haven't heard it in the studio...tons of loss by the time it gets to you). And I own an iPod, so technically, the 30% increase does nothing for me.

      But as a nerd who enjoys freedom to put my stuff on anything I want...I support this.

      In a way, it is a sneaky way to up prices. At the same time, labels have been getting killed on singles. Which is odd because singles (in one format or another) changed the entire scope of the music industry and more than industry -- the artform of music itself. The prices on singles are going up, but the prices on entire albums stay the same. So, if you are buying one DRM-free song, you are going to pay more...buy a dozen (i.e., the entire album) and you get everything for the same price as you would the non-DRM.

      So it looks as though the DRM-Free and Up'd Quality is a way to get more folks to buy entire albums. And this is something I support. Most of the artists I've worked with are less interested in stand-alone songs and more about a body of work...which goes towards the idea of a long play album.

      All in all, I'm pretty happy with how this turned out...I hope to see other labels sign up soon...I know I have a few friends on Indie labels waiting for the new contract (and have been bothering Apple about this since Jobs wrote his manifesto back in early Feb).

  11. Re:30 cent copyright levy by bilbravo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, it doesn't. As others (who have read the article) said, the .30 price increase is due to the doubled bitrate. It might be a convenient cop-out, but it still doesn't give anyone the right to distribute the file.

  12. It's a Start! by Luscious868 · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is excellent news! I love that they are offering the option to upgrade any previously purchased songs to the 256 kbps DRM free version for 30 cents a track. I plan on upgrading all of my tracks as soon as they are available. While I think that $1.29 is a little bit high for a track without DRM (I'd like to see them for the same price as the version with DRM), it's reasonable enough for me. You get twice the quality and no DRM for 30 cents more a track.

    It also appears as if deals with other studios are imminent. From the press release [apple.com]:

    "We are going to give iTunes customers a choice--the current versions of our songs for the same 99 cent price, or new DRM-free versions of the same songs with even higher audio quality and the security of interoperability for just 30 cents more," said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO. "We think our customers are going to love this, and we expect to offer more than half of the songs on iTunes in DRM-free versions by the end of this year."
    1. Re:It's a Start! by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You don't get twice the quality, you get twice the bits. Is CD quality 10 times the quality? Most of the quality in music has to do with the people performing the music, not how many bits are used to encode it. The difference to my ears are minimal for these two bitrates, especially when listening on an iPod. $.99 is way too much for a digital file. CDs cost more because of the distribution chain and physical materials, but downloaded music should cost nowhere near that amount. I use eMusic, which ends up being around $0.30 a track. They don't have everything though, so for what they don't have, I get the CD. I'd gladly pay the extra $1-$2 for the CD over what iTunes charges.

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    2. Re:It's a Start! by Thundersnatch · · Score: 2, Funny

      Name a CD that had 15 tracks that were worth having.

      The Led Zeppelin Box Set contains 44 tracks, and every single one is worth having. In fact, in Indiana, you had to know every measure of every single track to get through high school.

  13. Re:DRM-Free AACs are still locked to Ipods! by scifience · · Score: 2, Informative

    Since the AAC files are DRM free, you can just transcode to MP3. And there are a number of players which can play AAC, including the recent Sony players. So this in no way keeps you locked into using the iPod only (a point Steve even touched on at the event, saying that Apple wasn't worried about it because they compete based on having the best platform, not based on having people locked into their products).

  14. This is what I've been waiting for... by phayes · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My current music collection is high quality MP3s (192-256Kbit) I've ripped myself which I listen to on Slimboxes connected to quality speakers.
    I never bought any music from iTunes because:
    - Apple's DRM protected files were too low quality for me to bother with (I would have to rip to CD then reencode to MP3 which usually meant hearable artifacts.)
    - DRM meant that the music I bought would never be 100% protected from "upgrades" forced on me by the RIAA (much as Apple already reduced the number of authorized hosts).
    - I've already bought the same album in 3 formats: Vinyl, Tape, & CD. I refuse to pay a fourth time unless I am sure that it would be the last time.

    I'm not overenthused about the premium over itunes normal pricing, but there appears to be enough goodness in this announce to finally get me onboard.

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    1. Re:This is what I've been waiting for... by node+3 · · Score: 2, Informative

      DRM meant that the music I bought would never be 100% protected from "upgrades" forced on me by the RIAA (much as Apple already reduced the number of authorized hosts). Actually, they *increased* the number.
  15. Re:DRM-Free AACs are still locked to Ipods! by superm401 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Many portable players actually support AAC. The real problem is with GNU/Linux; AAC's patented, so there's no legal decoding free/open source decoding software. I already asked them to offer Ogg Vorbis. Either way, though, it's a lot better than DRM and I intend to partake..

  16. Re:DRM-Free AACs are still locked to Ipods! by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The format is still locked to the Ipod, which is entirely the problem!

    Ummm, no it's not. AAC is a fairly standard format (though not as ubiquitous as mp3). Many players out there will play non-DRM'd AAC files with no problem. The Zune comes to mind. Hell, my Samsung phone will play them. This is a good thing all around. And since album prices are staying the same, I can only view this as a good move.

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  17. cojones by suzerain · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Man, say what you want about Steve Jobs. He's got a famous temper, he doesn't compromise, he likes closed systems, etc. and so on. But one thing he definitely has is balls, and sometimes we can benefit from it.

    So, he apparently finally has convinced one label to drop the DRM, and yes, he's charging more for the content, but he goes and ups the bitrate, just so the content from the non-participating labels looks like shit in comparison. That takes some cojones, and I gotta say, I admire him for that. Could it possibly be that DRM will become one of those horrible memories from the past that we can all suppress? Time will tell, but at least today, I say this is relatively good news.

    And, you know..."fuck the RIAA" goes without saying.

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  18. A good thing, but... by Pirogoeth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Personally, while I see it as a good thing from different angles (customer: music can be played on any software/player, reseller: Apple makes more money because people will come to them to buy DRM-free tunes, supplier: EMI makes more money from the higher per-song price, artists: still get screwed) I don't see it as jumping for joy news. I'm not much of an audiophile, so the higher quality would probably be lost on me, and I drank the Apple kool-ade years ago, so I'll be using iTunes/iPods forever so the presence of the DRM doesn't really impact me..

    Question(s):

    1: If you buy music through iTMS, will you spend the extra $$$ for the higher-quality DRM-free versions?

    2: Will you spend the $$$ to take up the offer to "upgrade" any existing music you have previously downloaded?

    3: How long will it be until major label #2 makes a similar announcement?

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  19. Re:New prices by thejeffer · · Score: 2

    Here's where that doesn't quite work though. The record companies have been trying to pound it into our heads for years that we're not buying a song, we're buying a license to listen to that song. If that's the case, then we should ALREADY have the right to listen to a higher quality encoded version of the song. Yes, I'm well aware that the record companies will say that you only purchased a license to listen to that specific lower-quality encoding of the song, but let's be honest, that's pure crap. Quit re-selling us the same stuff we already purchased! If there's some huge cost associated with re-formatting the material, then fine, charge a nominal fee. But in this case, the files were most likely encoded at higher bit-rates long ago.

  20. Re:DRM-Free AACs are still locked to Ipods! by mgv · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is a great first step but I'd still need to convert the music in MP3 before I can do anything with it. The format is still locked to the Ipod, which is entirely the problem! I'll probably buy a song to help move things along but until the format is MP3 it ultimately doesn't change much for me. When next month and which artists? Will this be all ITunes stores or just The States?

    No, its not just the iPod.

    A list of players is available on wikipedia

    Its a substantial list, and its an open format. Its actually much better than MP3, and at 256 kb/s its probably about the same as a 320 kb/s MP3. In other words, very good quality. Apparently you can even play it on the Zune, although I suspect that the zune will DRM it before transfer. Not that this matters, as pretty much nobody actually has bought a Zune.

    Michael

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  21. WaterMarking by tecker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Another advantage of the higher bitrates is the ability to slip in watermarking. Thanks to perfect digital replication the instant this appeared on P2P they could trace the file back to the person that purchased the media.

    Think about it. Apple has not released the details of the tracks other then "256kb aac" w/o DRM. They don't say that it will be delayed downloading (rather then the buy, download, listen now) could be "Thanks for purchasing. Your music will arrive shortly in you library and purchased media areas." Then about 5 minutes later the track downloads. And seeing how apple doesn't allow for a redownloading (i think) they simply add the watermarking into the database and delete the track.

    EMI find a DRM free version of the music on the internet (Coldplay-Clocks.m4a) and downloads it from people. They compare the watermark, it comes back to you, you get sued like no other on the planet as an example.

    (the old tired method of this but):
    1) Announce DRM Free media
    2) Release DRM free media w/ Watermarking
    3) Download version from internet
    4) Link watermarking to individual
    5) SUE THE PANTS OFF OF THEM!!!
    6) ??? (Repeat?)
    7) Profit somehow.

    Its a possibility. Don't just celebrate yet. I've got a feeling this wont be with out some strings

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    1. Re:WaterMarking by SlamMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not really seeing a problem with that.

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    2. Re:WaterMarking by bilbravo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you download a song and then distribute it illegally, why should you be upset if you get sued? Privacy concerns aside, your argument is based on being upset that people might get in trouble for actually DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL.

    3. Re:WaterMarking by dlsmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. DRM is bad because it attempts to control illegal activity by heavily restricting legal use. If you're publicly distributing somebody else's copyrighted music without permission, you're breaking the law; if the technology exists to much more accurately distinguish legal from illegal use and restrict accordingly, they should use it in favor of DRM.

    4. Re:WaterMarking by dlsmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The original "watermarking" post didn't suggest that people would get sued for making copies of a file. It suggested that people would get sued for making their files available on a publicly-accessible network. Unless the copyright-holder has given permission to do so, that's pretty much always illegal.

    5. Re:WaterMarking by lordholm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And you would probably go clear if you fought it.

      If someone steals a gun, registered in my name and shoots someone, I would expect that the police looked me up. That does not mean that I would be convicted for murder.

      In the case that your computer is stolen, you can easily prove that. If you were hacked, then you can probably prove that as well as there would most likely be residuals of this on your computer.

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    6. Re:WaterMarking by One+Childish+N00b · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is a problem, why?

      You still shouldn't be allowed to distribute the content freely - much as a good portion of the /. userbase thinks "information wants to be free", companies are still perfectly within their rights to sue people for illegally distributing their material - at least with this method it would be the original uploaders getting punished, rather than downloaders or reuploaders who just leave the files in their shared directory and forget about them - the only people that would get sued would be people who consciously and deliberately upload copyrighted material.

      Personally I feel that watermarking would be the perfect solution for all parties involved.

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    7. Re:WaterMarking by jafac · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Back in the late 90's when the mafIAA were suing Napster, the web-folk were complaining about free speech and "infringing uses" - and they were saying that the people who are infringing (ie. actually sharing the music) were the ones that should be sued, not the company, not the technology, and not the tools. (I bet Shawn Fanning is spinning in his grave - or his hot tub, whatever). Now the record companies are doing it - and people are still complaining. There's no equivalence between buying a CD, and letting your brother borrow it, or ripping it and sharing the files with 250,000 of your "closest friends".

      Frankly - I think that there's a "scary" direction this could all take. (as if senators saying that the mafIAA should have the right to "destroy" your computer isn't scary enough) - if Apple goes DRM free, and EMI buys into it, then other services, and labels, will have to as well. If they don't, Apple wins, and gets a monopoly. My guess is that not every record company is ready to do this, and we'll see some labels leave Apple. OR - maybe all the labels will feel pressure to offer DRM-less recordings, on all services. (I don't think this is going to cut into sales - I really don't - especially if the mafIAA keeps suing sharers). If that happens, then labels will probably try to differentiate themselves via exclusivity with services. The choice won't be "DRM or DRM-free" - the choice will be "Artist X (from service Y) or Artist Z (from service W)" - this model cuts out the services as the distinguishing factor. It takes the service providers out of the equation (why choose iTMS over Zune, or any other service - other than specific Artist availability?) A service provider is a player, a web site, and a server-farm. Not much latitude for a product to distinguish itself. We may even see a "race to the bottom" as far as "cheap" service goes. Apple may maintain its status as a boutique brand, wrt its music player (iPod) features, and style. But there's no longer a real economic incentive for a person to stick with iTMS as a service provider - other than Artist availability - which is controlled very tightly by the label.

      This means; the Record Labels could very well have the last laugh here - for FINALLY doing what fans have been clamoring for since 1996. Chuck DRM under the bus.

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  22. Where are all those anti-Jobs people now? by SengirV · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After Jobs made his "get rid of DRM" speech a month or two ago, they were coming out of the woodwork blasting him for being a hypocrite. Maybe these know-nothings will now realize that he couldn't make these changes on his own, he needed the labels themselves to come along.

    NOW that one of them is promoting anti-DRM versions, expect the indy stuff to follow suit. These same anti-Jobs people will lament the fact Jobs didn't do this with indy bands 1st. It's called negotiations people. Getting a major label to do this is 10 times better than having ONLY the indy bands DRM free. This is a major change in thinking for the big labels. And that made it well worth the wait.

    Maybe if the anti-Jobs people would focus more on Microsoft and their disabling of the Zune wifi for a change, even more progress can be made in the DRM free world. But I'm guessing that the anti-Job reaction to his speech wasn't atually about his speech, it was more about being Microsoft lap dogs.

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    1. Re:Where are all those anti-Jobs people now? by cparker15 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you paid any attention at all to the anti-DRM campaign that was focusing on Steve Jobs's comments against DRM, you would have seen that it was led by the Free Software Foundation's DefectiveByDesign group. The FSF, Microsoft lap dogs?? Your powers of observation and reasoning simply astound me. Granted, the DRM-free option announced by EMI is a good move, but it would be virtually effortless to sign the independent labels on in addition to the EMI deal. There's absolutely no reason why Mr. Jobs can't enable independent labels to sign up as iTunes vendors.

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  23. But mom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Some of these comments make me wonder if Slashdot has been overrun by spoiled, bratty teenagers. It's like they've been given a brand new car and they're accusing their parents of ruining their lives because it's not the right color.

    Crap--I just accidentally made a car analogy.

  24. Re:New prices by cowscows · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, it's important to have some perspective here. You can argue till your face turns blue that DRM doesn't work/doesn't make sense/is evil/whatever, but the reality of it is that there are people out there with different opinions. And a bunch of those people are old businessmen who run big companies that see, over the horizon, the end of the business model on which they've built their little empires and made their fortunes.

    It's easy for you as a consumer or a musician to argue for the new "music economy" because you have little to lose and much to gain. A lot of these big record companies have plenty to lose. You might be able to make an argument that with the right business savvy and some smart decisions that they have a lot to gain as well, but nothing is guaranteed, and big companies tend to be risk adverse.

    The point is, if the general /. mentality is correct, and DRM is not a workable solution, then the market will flesh that out and we can all get on with our lives. But to expect and preach anti-DRM like the heavens will open up and everyone will see the light and hold hands and all DRM will disappear tomorrow is not only unrealistic, it makes you look silly.

    Baby steps are what we should expect and really hope for. Each sign of progress should be a reason for celebration, not a bitch session about everything you still don't like about the music industry. Yay for steps in the right direction!

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  25. April's Fool by Lars+T. · · Score: 4, Informative

    The press conference has only streaming WindowsMedia and Real, no Quicktime?

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  26. huh? by sammy+baby · · Score: 2, Informative

    Very clever on Apple's part. Since it is still in the AAC format, it acts as a "soft lockin". Yes, savvy users (./ readers, for example) can convert the files to MP3, albeit at the loss of fidelity in the lossy-to-lossy conversion process. But most users won't, so they will still be locked into the Ipod ecology.


    From the format's wiki entry:

    In contrast with the MP3 format, which requires royalty payments on distributed content, no licenses or payments are required to be able to stream or distribute content in AAC format. [3] This reason alone makes AAC a much more attractive format for distributing content, particularly streaming content (such as Internet radio).

    However, a patent license is required for all manufacturers or developers of AAC codecs. [4] It is for this reason FOSS implementations such as FAAC and FAAD are distributed in source form only, in order to avoid patent infringement. ...

            * Microsoft Zune: Microsoft's Zune portable media player supports AAC among other audio and video formats.
            * SanDisk Sansa e200R: The new Rhapsody-branded SanDisk Sansa e200R series contains updated firmware allowing for support and playback of MP4, M4A, and RealAudio, using the AAC codec.
            * Sony PlayStation Portable (PSP): The PSP has had support for MP4 AAC files since the version 2.0 firmware update (released August 2005), but initially for files with a .mp4 extension only, meaning .m4a files needed to be renamed. This was fixed in the 2.7 firmware update.
            * Sony Walkman (Walkman): The Walkman S series of MP3 players can use AAC encoded files. Older series may be able to add support with a firmware update.
            * Sony Ericsson phones such as the P990, K800, and the Walkman-branded W series music phones such as the W950 and the W810 support MP4 files with audio encoded using AAC-LC, HE-AAC v1 and HE-AAC v2.
            * Palm OS PDAs: Many Palm OS based PDAs and smartphones can play AAC and HE-AAC with the 3rd party software Pocket Tunes. Version 4.0, released in December 2006, added support for native AAC and HE-AAC files. The AAC codec for TCPMP, a popular video player, was withdrawn after version 0.66 due to patent issues, but can still be downloaded from sites other than corecodec.org. BetaPlayer, the commercial follow-on to TCPMP, will presumably include AAC support.
            * Nokia Nseries multimedia phones: also support AAC format. ...


    That lock-in is softer than a pair of fur-lined handcuffs. Probably about as easy to escape, too.
  27. missed citation by sammy+baby · · Score: 2, Informative

    Apologies: the above blockquote should have carried the following reference.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding

  28. Re:Great deal! by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Funny

    So now, people who use iTunes get to buy higher-quality music that comes with no physical waste and spend less time downloading the tracks than going out to buy a shiny plastic disc, all for the same price as before for complete albums, which was already cheaper than most CDs. What a deal!


    There, fixed that for you.
  29. Re:New prices by LihTox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The iTMS has a couple of advantages over buying physical CDs: convenience and the ability to buy songs piecemeal. Convenience is a standard reason to charge premiums, so why is this such a punch in the nuts to you? Are you equally pissed that 7-11 charges $4 for a box of cereal that costs $3 somewhere else? (Then again, maybe you are. :) Just go shop at the supermarket instead.

  30. Re:Fscking with my mix considered dangerous by Paulrothrock · · Score: 2, Funny

    The funny thing is, you stress over how your mix sounds and then I buy the CD and rip it to 128kbps MP3 and play it through my earbuds or my 14 year old stereo and can't hear a damned difference.

    Maybe you're the one with the problem.

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  31. Wrong by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Informative

    New albums from EMI are $9.99, 256kbps, and DRM free. RTFA.

    Now, sure, if you build a MIX AND MATCH album of you're fav singles at 256kbps, it would wind up costing you $20. But name me a music store where I can go in and buy a mix-and-match CD?

    You're comparing apples to oranges there.

  32. You're own fault by brunes69 · · Score: 3, Informative

    There are all kinds of players that can play AAC besides the iPod.

    And lots of other players are format-upgradeable , and thus will probably support AAC soon now that DRM free tracks will be on the iTunes site.

    AAC is an open standard. Sure it is patent encumbered, but so is MP3.

    If you bought some WMA/MP3 only player that's not upgradeable, that's your own fault. You locked yourself in.

  33. Re:Rats foiled again.. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think one reason for AAC is that AAC is the future of digital audio whereas MP3/non-DRM-WMA is the current/past. With as fast as the industry changes, these media players become obsolete very fast. I would predict in a few years, AAC will be the norm.

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  34. Three thoughts by LihTox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Three things occur to me here.

    1. Critics have maintained that Apple should allow independent artists to offer their music iTMS without DRM, but the standard response is that this would be technically infeasible. Now that this is not the case, I hope to see Apple offer DRM-free music from independent producers soon.

    2. The Big Studios have been pushing to get Apple to charge a higher rate per song for years now. This outcome has Apple saying, "Hey, get rid of DRM and we'll do it." I wonder how tempting that will be to the other studios.

    3. Anti-DRM advocates need EMI to be very successful; a rise in sales will allow the initiative to grow, while a drop in sales will herald calls of piracy. This is one case where giving money to a large company may actually do some good. (I know many purists would scoff, but big corporations are like big, very cunning animals: they are dangerous, but perhaps can be trained.)

  35. For all those complaining about the AAC format by krkhan · · Score: 2, Informative
    Excerpt from the Reuters article:

    "From today, EMI's retailers will be offered downloads of tracks and albums in the DRM-free audio format of their choice in a variety of bit rates up to CD quality," EMI added.
  36. Players by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What players, besides iPod, support the non-DRM AAC format?

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    1. Re:Players by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 3, Informative

      What players, besides iPod, support the non-DRM AAC format?

      From Wikipedia:

      • Microsoft Zune
      • SanDisk Sansa e200R
      • Sony PlayStation Portable (PSP)
      • Sony Walkman (Walkman)
      • Sony Ericsson phones such as the P990, K800, and the Walkman-branded W series music phones such as the W950 and the W810 support MP4 files with audio encoded using AAC-LC, HE-AAC v1 and HE-AAC v2.
      • Palm OS PDAs
      • Nokia Nseries multimedia phones
      • Sony PlayStation 3
      • Windows PCs

      I imagine a few more hardware vendors will now be looking to try to add support, however.

  37. A moron says what? by Grashnak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    F*** you and your ilk, Steve Jobs. Why should I have to pay more for DRM free music? If we're getting *less* than what we would get with your DRM laden crap, we should be paying less too. How exactly is buying DRM-less music at a much higher bitrate (256) getting "less" than the standard DRMed file at only 128?

    I swear that if Steve Jobs announced tomorrow that all iTunes music would be available DRM-free and would be given away at no cost, people would log on here to complain that Apple should be sending hookers to everyone's house to give them a free blowjob while the music is downloading.

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  38. Complete the sentence. by argent · · Score: 3, Informative

    1. Critics have maintained that Apple should allow independent artists to offer their music iTMS without DRM, but the standard response is that this would be technically infeasible.

    Complete the sentence: "this would be technically infeasible given their current contracts with the labels." You know, like EMI.

  39. When will other labels join in? by rekoil · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm really curious what the future holds for other labels now that we've had a major break in the DRM ranks. Several independent labels, most notably Nettwerk, have gone on record as being willing to sell their tracks DRM-free (and AFAIK they do on emusic.com), but have been unable to get Apple to do so, citing Apple's desire for "user consistency" or some other bullsh*t...so I wonder if we'll see DRM-free tracks from those labels as well sooner than later given this mornings news.

  40. Re:You have to pay again ???? by theurge14 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The nerve of Steve Jobs is incredible. He is asking people to pay again for songs that they already bought!

    Only if you want to increase the bitrate and drop the DRM, and he's only charging 30 cents more to do that.

    Other services have been selling songs at a more reasonable bit-rate all along (eg. Yahoo was selling songs for a while at 79 cents for 192Kbps), only Apple was selling at 128Kbps. Even the NYT writer (who loves Apple) wrote that 128 is insufficient and that people were making a mistake to spend money on stuff at this quality. The loyal defenders insisted that when and if a higher quality became necessary and available it would be free for everyone who had already bought it.

    Please learn the difference between AAC and MP3

    Now you have to pay again just to get decent sound quality!

    There's nothing wrong with AAC 128k. It fits onto portable devices quite well at an average of 1MB per minute of audio.

    I think I'll stick to ripping from CD's.

    Let me guess, you're ripping to 320K MP3, correct? If so, you are neither benefitting from the smaller size of a compressed audio file nor are you benefitting from the higher quality sound of a lossless CD. And on average you are paying more per album than the rest of us.

    I hope you understand why your opinion is in the minority, considering the growing popularity of online sales and declining popularity of CD sales.

  41. EMI Deserves Praise Also by WiseWeasel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fuck the RIAA, except for EMI. We do have to hand it to them for taking the courageous step, breaking rank from the other big labels, and taking a chance on selling standard format music. Now if they can just distance themselves from the suing of little old grandmothers, I might even be motivated to exclude them from my RIAA boycott, provided they have music I'm interested in...

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  42. Mostly they have been congratulating him... by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... for finally doing the right thing.

    I know it is hard for those of you into person or brand name worshiping to understand, but it is quite possible to compliment people or companies for the good things they do, and at the same time criticize them for the bad things they do. Just because you define your world into personal (or brand) loyalties, it does not mean the rest of us are similar restricted.

  43. Better than CD? by jhfry · · Score: 3, Informative

    From what I understand of AAC audio, an essentially lossless CD rip of most CD's can be done in far less than the 320kbps used by mp3.

    In fact, some have said that 128kbps is almost as good as 320kbps.

    Couple that, with the fact that that you can sample AAC up to 96khz rather than just 48khz, you can encode up to 48 separate channels, and that EMI encodes their tracks from the digital masters rather than a lossy CD.

    I suspect that the quality of these tracks may actually rival that of CD's... perhaps be superior in some regards.

    I especially like the multi-track encoding idea. Labels could release the music so that the lead vocal, background vocals, and music were all on separate tracks... instant karaoke and instant remix ability. I don't suspect we can expect anything like this very soon, but the AAC format allows for it.

    Can anyone confirm, is 256kbps enough for an AAC file to be indistinguishable from a CD in a true double blind listening test?

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    1. Re:Better than CD? by pkulak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Can anyone confirm, is 256kbps enough for an AAC file to be indistinguishable from a CD in a true double blind listening test?" Actually 128 is for all but about three people on HydrogenAudio. :D I see 256 as a bit of a waste.

  44. Re:Still too much fucking $$ by 2short · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The jerks! Imagine the gall! Attempting to set prices on their own product!

    You don't want to pay the price they are asking, they don't want to sell for the price you're offering. I don't see how that alone makes either of you an "asshole". Just don't buy it.

  45. Re:I won't be buying. by squiggleslash · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why should I pay more for these tracks than I would pay for a higher quality track from an actual CD (which has higher distribution costs)? I'm sorry, but $1.29 is not "very reasonable". It's a complete and utter money grab. One of these companies realized that if they broke away from the oligarchy, they could charge more for their music than the others and make more money without seeing an increase in piracy.

    Complete albums, DRM free, will cost $9.99 (the same as DRM'd albums), so no, either you'll be buying one or two tracks (and thus less than the price of a complete CD), or the entire album (for around the same price as a CD, a cheap CD at that) without DRM.

    Either way, $1.29 for a track, or $9.99 for the whole album is reasonable by the metric of comparing them to CD prices.

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  46. Re:DRM-Free AACs are still locked to Ipods! by Hatta · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are several free/open AAC implementations.

    But are there any good ones? Not all encoders are the same, and last I checked libfaac kinda sucked.

    If you don't like your 256kbit AAC then you can easily transcode to whatever you want since it's DRM free.

    Please, just don't suggest transcoding lossy compression schemes. It's just off the table.

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  47. Structure first by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Would you care to explain how having DRM-free indy bands' tracks on iTMS would have made such negotiation with major labels somehow more difficult?

    Why certainly.

    Having indie labels sell DRM free music first, would have had a different structure than the current deal. Apple needed a way to figure out how to move forward with DRM free music in a way that labels would accept - so they had to work through negotiations with EMI to see how the could arrange pricing and quality options in a way that would appeal to them. Once that framework was laid, then other indie labels could get the same deal, only now there is a single clear option for DRM free music going forward and also a clear path for other larger labels to follow down a road that one has already found to be acceptable. It took a little longer but now everything is simpler both for the consumer, and the music studio large and small.

    How many contracts with giant paranoid music studios have YOU managed, Mr. backseat negotiator?

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  48. Parent is not flamebait, just uncomfortably right! by Space+cowboy · · Score: 2, Informative

    That is all.

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  49. Another added benie by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Haven't seen this in the postive column, but aside from other players that can do AAC (PSP and PS3 which would be nice for Sonyphiles) unshackled locked iTunes is a biggie. I'm at 3 mac-clients now and won't have to worry about additional client-swapping and other rigermoral (like limitiation on how often I can do this etc) as I upgrade to new macs in the future as more of the library migrates (if Apple's Press Release is on target with their library hopes). People with an obscene number of iTunes clients should be quite happy with this development.

    I haven't even checked into how AppleTV fits into all this - is it regarded as another client?

  50. Seriously -- a WMA fanboy? That's a first. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    whereas Microsoft happily licenses their DRM scheme to whoever asks for it in order to encourage interoperability.

    Bull -- they license their DRM scheme, but not to foster interoperability, they do it to solidify their monopoly into a new realm. They want to own digital music as thoroughly as they own operating systems, and this means that they need to get all the hardware manufacturers on board.

    They have no interest in interoperability, except where it furthers their power over more hardware and software; look at how quickly they abandoned PlaysForSure with Zune. They were all set to pull the rug out from under all their "partners" that they had licensed PFS to. (Of course, Zune was a flop instead of the amazing success that Microsoft apparently hoped it would be, but had it been successful, SanDisk and all the other makers of semi-generic WMA players would have been left out in the cold, quite by design.)

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  51. Re:How much to upgrade full albums? by Anonymous+Freak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We won't know for certain until the tracks become available. But Apple has said it is "30 cents per track". And so far, it only includes EMI content. I would *HOPE* that albums that were purchased for a total price that made them less than 99 cents per song will have a cheaper upgrade fee. (Like, say, $3.00 for a $9.99 album, regardless of number of songs.)

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  52. I'll pay to avoid the B&Ms, thanks. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Do they realize that an entire album, which I can purchase at a brick-and-mortar or an online retailer, will now be cheaper. I can rip that CD using Apple Lossless encoding. Maybe I'm missing the point???

    True, but it's worth a significant amount of money to me (and I expect a lot of other people besides) to not have to go anywhere near a shopping mall or other B&M retailer.

    Going out to a store, round-trip, is probably an hour of my time, not to mention gas for the car, and is just a giant hassle. It means fighting for a parking space, and then getting into the store, and finding what I want, and waiting in line behind a bunch of teeny-boppers while some stoned clerk plods along through the checkout procedure. I can feel my blood-pressure going up just thinking about it. That's not how I want to spend one of my few free hours after work or on the weekends, thanks much.

    If Apple charges a slight premium to allow me to buy DRM-free music from the comfort of my own home, where I can decide to buy something and have it on my computer to listen to, through my stereo, while drinking my beer, in five minutes -- that's value added.

    Apple's real competition, at least for me, isn't B&M stores, it's online stores that sell physical CDs, particularly used ones (Half.com). There, it becomes a trade-off between how much I want to pay, and how long I want to wait. Although waiting in a line in a store gives me the urge to stab people, I'm not normally enough of an impulse-buyer to mind waiting a few days for a $4 CD. I could see buying particular tracks that I want to listen to right now from iTunes at $1.30/each, but it's probably not going to be the primary source of my music.

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  53. Re:No one else wonders? by avalys · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because EMI wants more money to make up for the file sharing that will occur - and Apple wants more money to pay for the doubled file size (the non-DRM songs will be 256 kbps AAC vs. 128 kbps for all other songs on iTunes).

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  54. Re:Rats foiled again.. by Technician · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why not get a player that supports AAC? Just saying "WMA" makes me cringe.

    I bought it because it was under $40 and it does play MP3. It just also claims to play WMA files in the feature list, but I haven't tried it.

    Cringing would be if it supported MTP or Janis DRM that broke the simple thumb drive drag and drop no driver ease of use. It is compatible with any OS that supprts a thumb drive. That is why I bought it. Having an SD slot is a bonus. Easy expansion and an easy way transfer files without needing a cable. I have the choice of connecting with a USB cable, or plugging the memory card into the card slot on a PC or laptop.

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  55. Re:AAC is smaller. (But where's the lossless?) by endemoniada · · Score: 3, Informative

    First off: bitrate is bitrate. One song in 256kbps MP3 is almost exactly the size of another song in 256kbps AAC/OGG/WMA/Whatever. Slight differences are mostly due to overhead (ID3-tags and album art). The sound quality will most likely differ though, with 256kbps AAC sounding a lot better than its MP3 counterpart.

    And yes, unless you have some pretty nice equipment with good range, you're not likely to hear any difference between 256kbps AAC and the CD you bought. You do, however, have the songs in a digital form that will last quite a while, quality-wise. That's why I encode all my CDs to V0 MP3 (variable bit rate, mostly ranging from 250+ up to 320 kbps). With disk space as cheap as it is, it's an assurance that I don't have to re-rip my albums in a very long while. I can buy pretty much any stereo I want, and it'll still sound completely indistinguishable from my store bought CDs.

    So ultimately I agree with you. Now that DRM is moot, all I want is higher bitrates. Preferably FLAC or any other lossless format that I can transcode to whatever codec I want. If I'm going to pay close to the same amount as I would the original CD, at the very least supply the same quality.

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  56. Lame by fname · · Score: 3, Funny

    No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.

  57. Answers on Artists and Availability by markgo2k · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Those wanting to show their support for DRM-free music will have to wait a bit. According to the podcast, the new DRM-free tracks will be available "in May".

    Interestingly, there is no support at present for searching by publisher in iTunes (wonder if they'll add that), but if you want to plan your purchases for next month, you can look at this wikipedia article for a list of EMI artists. With few exceptions (the Beatles, primarily, since they're still not available in any online format), the whole catalog will be available...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musicians_sig ned_to_EMI

    My faves from the list: The Beach Boys, Bob Seger, Coldplay, David Bowie, Depeche Mode, Elvis Costello, Elvis Presley, Erasure (can't help it), Garth Brooks, J. Geils Band, James Brown (Hit Me!), Joe Cocker, Kate Bush, Norah Jones, Pet Shop Boys, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Radiohead (pre-2003), The Knack, The Decemberists. They also have a very respectable classical music inventory for folks that that swing that way.

    Personally, I think that people who are contining to grouse about quality are somewhat like those that swear by vacuum tube amps. When I did my own double-blind tests of LAME-encoded MP3, I found that the sweet spot was 192Kbps, but that there where occasional passages of very unusual music (orchestral or Peter Gabriel's Passion) where I could hear a tiny difference (a slight beating oscillation) that didn't go away until 256Kbps. So I rip lossless and downconvert to 192K for actual use on most players. Would I prefer lossless? Sure, but 256K AAC not only adequate, but excellent. I will buy extensively when it becomes available, both because I like it and to encourage other labels to do the same.

    Final point: cynics may say that EMI is doing this partly because they've been seriously short of sucessful acts lately and will do anything to create sales. See this Forbes article for more. Whether that's true or not, I intend to buy, buy, buy. Scr** you Sony!

  58. When Reporters Set Agendas by bananaendian · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Michael Gartenberg wrote:

    "Had another funny call with a media outlet this morning. When I called them back on the Apple/EMI news, first question was. "Do you think this is a bad thing for Apple and EMI." When I said "no, it's a good thing", they said "thanks for calling but we only want to talk to someone who thinks this is a bad thing."
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  59. Almost got it... by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Funny
    Oooh....Apple is SO close here.

    Now, if they'll go just one more step, and sell lossless music with no DRM, I'll be one of the first in line to purchase it!!!

    I want my 'source' to be as good as I can get it...and I'll transcode to lower qualities myself for poor listening environments like portable players, the car etc. I can do that and have the higher quality sound for my home soundsystem.

    So close...so close....

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  60. Linux Customer, Reporting for Shopping by Bob9113 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In case you're reading this, Apple, I'm ready to be a customer. And a moderately large one at that (I have about $5,000 worth of CDs). Unfortunately I only have Linux machines - is there a good path for me to buy from you?

  61. Apple is always the good guy here by Wooky_linuxer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    this is /. after all. But, I agree this is huge. All other big media companies will look bad if they stay defending their old position on DRM. All it takes to brake an oligopoly is a single traitor, and EMI seemed to be it.

    I hope people aren't naive enough to think that either EMI, Jobs or Apple Inc. are the "good guys". They simply showed a longer term vision than the other players. It is not unlike the stance on environment friendly production - the organizations aren't supporting it because they truly care about the environment, but instead they foresaw a chance in being different from the rest in the eyes and perception of the public. This anti-DRM stance is the same, and it would have happened much sooner if there weren't so few publishing/recording groups controlling the market. Now the ball is in the consumers court - if we flock to non-DRM formats, then the other publishers will be forced to play the anti-DRM game as well - the last one to jump in will be seriously hurt. If consumers react with apathy, then EMI might have to reconsider - it will be under considerable pressure from its former peers, pressure that only big money can justify.

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  62. I don't want the quality that high! by samael · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Double the quality and I can only fit half the amount of music onto my iPod.

    Come to think of it - maybe that's the plan. We'll all have to go out and buy larger, more expensive iPods to replace the ones we already have...

  63. Re:How much to upgrade full albums? by skiflyer · · Score: 3, Informative

    the nytimes article says the album upgrade fee is $0.00, the bump is only for per track purchases.

  64. Re:"just launch your iTunes" by Movi · · Score: 2, Informative

    O RLY?

    sudo apt-get install wine
    wget -c http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.in fo.apple.com/iTunes7/Win/061-3153.20070316.3RRgf/i TunesSetup.exe
    wine iTunesSetup.exe

    Works for me (on Linux, i use a Mac usually)

  65. Higher Bitrates not Required by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Another advantage of the higher bitrates is the ability to slip in watermarking.

    I wrote about this a few weeks ago - current watermarking techniques are not significant with regard to quality compared with lossy compression.

    Watermarking is a real solution to piracy - it enables Copyright Law to be the default mechanism for handing these problems, just like in the Old Days, before the Dark Times, before the DMCA.

    To summarize my thesis: Watermarking solves piracy, DRM is about forced repurchasing. Links and more there.

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  66. FLAC by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I mean, sure, mp3s, if you want to make sure none of your users even have the chance to be confused.

    Or, un-DRM'd AACs, for probably the most reasonable size/quality on iPods.

    Or WMA for Zune. Or Vorbis for Linux geeks. Or whatever.

    I'd encode to everything, because encoding music is, at this point, a completely automatic process. Given an hour or two and a decently fast computer, you could encode an album in every conceivable format in every conceivable container, even vorbis/mkv.

    But no matter how many you choose to do, I'd throw FLAC in there -- both for archival purposes (if you don't actually keep a multitrack recording somewhere), and so that if your customers are reasonably savvy and want a format you didn't think to support, or if they just want to make sure they encode it their way, they can do it themselves.

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  67. Likewise - iTunes for windows suuuuuuuucks by caitsith01 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have an iPod, and I love it, but iTunes for Windows is the WORST THING EVER. Ok, maybe not ever. But at least in the last 10,000 years or so.

    It is massively bloated, requires you to install the equally heinous Quicktime, tries to upgrade itself 14 times a week, doesn't conform to the Windows GUI standard AT ALL*, and tries to seize control of all of your music and video files and associate them with itself. Quicktime is apparently DESIGNED to fuck up your web browsing experience so that you no longer have the ability to download MOVs or anything in an Apple format, and instead are forced to watch it in a tiny plugin window with no real controls, which once again doesn't conform to any kind of Windows GUI standard.

    There are alternatives for using an iPod (such as the reasonably excellent ml_ipod for Winamp) but there aren't any for using the iTunes store.

    Please Steve, I'll consider giving you my money now that you've stripped away DRM, but for christ's sake, just make a web-only version of your store...

    * seriously, how would Mac users feel if Office for Mac literally ran in a simulated Windows XP environment, complete with Windows-style widgets and the XP GUI skin layed over the top of it?

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