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US's Slow Embrace of Information Technology

mattnyc99 writes "To motivate his new column, Popular Mechanics' Glenn Derene takes research data from a discussion here of his last column. He analyzes a new study released this week — revealing that fully 49 percent of Americans 'only occasionally use modern gadgetry' — to compare the rise of the PC with that of the TV and ask a big question: What keeps the most important and powerful communication tool since the telephone from being universally embraced?"

210 comments

  1. Blindingly obvious by fatduck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are we really comparing the rate of TV adoption to computer adoption? When is the last time you had to do more than press the ON button to operate your television? There's no learning curve, and no risk. People are afraid of computers, and as usual are unwilling to overcome even the most modest of barriers to learn a new skill.

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    1. Re:Blindingly obvious by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And that's exactly the conclusion he comes to at the end of the column...

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    2. Re:Blindingly obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      blindingly obvious that you posted first, then read the link. assuming you read the link at all that is.

    3. Re:Blindingly obvious by Chris+whatever · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Huh Huh

      Money is one factor, event though you can get a cheap computer fro under 700$ or even a seconds machine for under 300$ you still have to hook it up to the internet,

      For some people that is a;ready too much money and also the fact that a lot of user have computers at work and fell like they dont need to buy one since they do everything at work (unfortunately)

      You can still have a full life without being an internet addict, they are still BOOKS out there.

    4. Re:Blindingly obvious by fatduck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So if this Harvard professor had submitted his question to Ask Slashdot, he would have saved himself a lot of research.

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    5. Re:Blindingly obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'I know many who own a magnetron oven for years and are not able to cook with it; they know how to reheat something, and that is all. '
      because they have taste.....you cannot 'cook' with a magnetron....yes I'm french ;p

    6. Re:Blindingly obvious by rlp · · Score: 1

      When is the last time you had to do more than press the ON button to operate your television?

      Ummm, yesterday. New TV's support multiple input devices (Game consoles, PVR's, DVD player / recorders, cable boxes, PC's), multiple aspect ratios, etc. We've got an all-in-one remote that turns devices on off, changes settings, depending on what you want to do. It even works, most of the time ...

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    7. Re:Blindingly obvious by hoojus · · Score: 2, Funny

      You can still have a full life without being an internet addict, they are still BOOKS out there. Sacralige you can't spout that nonsense. Go wash your mouth out with soap (actually wash your hands as they typed this nonsense!).
    8. Re:Blindingly obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. There must be a huge market to be tapped from all of these luddite imbeciles that, as you so deftly put it, "are unwilling to overcome even the most modest of barriers to learn a new skill." Just look at how successful Apple is nowadays!

    9. Re:Blindingly obvious by nschubach · · Score: 3, Funny

      But he would have never received the research grant money.

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    10. Re:Blindingly obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My tv changes to a new input if an input starts to receive a new signal (i.e. turn on my ps3 or my dvd player). For the dvd player, i don't even have to turn it on, from standby, put in a disc and it turns on which in turn switches the input on my tv. The only problem i have is i tried hooking an mp3 player into my tv just to listen to music, it wouldn't select that input because there was no video (only stereo audio connectors) and i couldn't force it to select that input either. I used to do this all the time, hook an audio source to the tv to amplify it.

    11. Re:Blindingly obvious by edizzles · · Score: 1

      very true, how ever also look at the cost. The internet is cool and all but, with the death of the true net-zero there is no free internet any more. If some one wants to get online they have to shell out a decent amuont of cash for a computer fromt he store, and then pay for internet access. That can just be to much money for a low income famly to afford. On that note I urge people to insted of throwing out there old computers, yuo should give them to some one who is willing to rebuild them and give them to people. I normaly will do it for little or no cost. IE I build it you feed me .

    12. Re:Blindingly obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While your both right, the REAL problem is the glorification of being technically illiterate to sell people on all this 'Geek Squad' BS and turn the masses into helpless simp's. Ohh, and let's not forget, our great leader spreading good 'ole Texan anti-intellectualism and making it OK to be stupid again.

    13. Re:Blindingly obvious by CByrd17 · · Score: 1

      You mean like all presidents do? Good ol' Georgia anti-intellectualism. Good ol' movie star anti-intellectualism. Good ol' Arkansas anti-intellectualism. You don't get to be president by being stupid...but also not by sounding intellectual.

    14. Re:Blindingly obvious by rlp · · Score: 1

      > My tv changes to a new input if an input starts to receive a new signal

      That would work quite well with most devices. Though not with a PC, analog cable, or a continuous external video source (i.e. baby or security video camera).

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    15. Re:Blindingly obvious by Malc · · Score: 1

      I think it's more interesting comparing technology in other places, such as the kitchen or cars. It's quite shocking coming from Europe and living in N. American homes and being confronted by stoves out of the 50's (and further: why isn't the oven divided? Why do I have to heat a small pizza in the space big enough to cook a 30lb turkey?), washing machines that barely work and cars from the big three that are immensely irritating. After a decade, I'm mostly used to it, but when I go back to visit my parents, I'm always surprised by the dishwasher that I can't hear and uses barely any water, and the laundry machine that sits in a ridiculously small spot, is also silent, efficient and gets things clean that the standard N. American machines with their vertical agitator will either destroy or don't clean well (at least without using huge amounts of chemicals). Computers on the other-hand are an in-your-face technology that seem to at times to exist for themselves (i.e. it's not technology being deployed to quietly enhance an existing part of our lives).

    16. Re:Blindingly obvious by kisrael · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was going to comment on "Computer users, on the other hand, must constantly upgrade their hardware just to keep pace with software and services". It's a lie, I've been happy treating my PCs as largely un-upgraded blackboxes since 1995 or so. A little memory here, a TV card there... that's it. With laptops its even more so. At this point very old and cheap computers are totally adequate for web -centric use.

      I think this comment is right on, in terms of not even getting the "why bother" aspect for PCs. If you don't care much about the web or get your fill in an office job, use phone rather than e-mail... it's just not that exciting, as hard as it is for us Google, Googlemaps, Wikipedia, and LJ addicts to believe.

      And using all the features...Hell, actually, with the latest generation of video game consoles, even I'm losing track of the bells and whistles. Could my Xbox 360 play a DVD for me in a pinch without extra hardware? Dunno! And the number of devices that want to be photo browsers for me, from Wii to iPod, is just stupid.

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    17. Re:Blindingly obvious by jav1231 · · Score: 1

      Dude, chill. Live a little. WTF are you going to do when GWB is out of office? Who are you going to blame for your problems? Grow up!
      Meanwhile, back at the point, I think people forget too easily that the U.S. is a large country. If we're going to lament technology adoption let's compare it to say China or Australia or some other country with a large citizenry. Also, what does "all that digital life has to offer" mean? Are they dealing strictly with Internet technology or factoring in HD adoption?

    18. Re:Blindingly obvious by PatSand · · Score: 1

      The initial conclusion is truly that: blindingly obvious. But it is the start of the real key to understanding the lower uptake rate of PCs over TVs.

      Does anybody recall the fun we had with Vacuum Tube TVs? and doing the Antenna Dance to get the picture? It rapidly went from a novelty to a pain in the 50's and 60's. And then there was Color! The real reason that TVs are so popular is that the technology has matured to the point where you don't have to constantly fiddle with things to keep it working. And with the ready availability of cable in urban/suburban areas and satellite elsewhere, it becomes a plug-n-go event.

      The one thing TVs are lacking to be ubiquitous is a voice-activated remote that auto-detects the TV brand and model to translate voice commands to TV remote commands. Seriously.

      I have a cell phone that takes voice commands and it has been hitting over 99% accuracy in office environments and over 95% in other environments (okay, when dump trucks and cement trucks are rumbling by me on the street in NYC, I'm more concerned with not being crushed by them than phone accuracy).

      Now, let's look at what the computer will have to do to get to this level. First off, the man-machine interface (or woman-machine/child-machine/dog-machine/cat-machin e/etc...) needs to support native voice with at least a 95% accuracy rate and support finger pointing/touch screen. Keyboards and mice are nice but most people want to relax and chat, not be hunched over the computer typing and mousing. Second, the whole upgrade/install/new device dance should be behind the scenes. Third, the OS should be stable and have fall back capabilities to older stable releases; blue screens of death (or whatever color you wish to use) should not occur. Fourth, it should be able to assemble smaller commands into larger commands seamlessly without requiring a programmer. Yep, components and SOA, but done right.

      Think of it this way, if HAL couldn't be tricked/lied to, wouldn't you love to have him as your personal computer? You tell HAL what to do and HAL does it or marshals the resources to do it.

      Frankly, I don't see this happening for another 5-10 years, but when they get AI working as promised then we will see the quick uptake of PCs.

      Of course, our phones or PDAs or Crack-er-BlackBerrys may get there sooner.

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    19. Re:Blindingly obvious by supersnail · · Score: 1

      " I know many who own a magnetron oven for years and are not able to cook with it; they know how to reheat something, and that is all. " -- If you can actually cook you would never use a microwave oven for anything other than warming things up, except maybe some faux "steaming" if you stovetop was maxed out.

      PCs are just not consumer ready - only apple comes close to switch it on and it works, even if you do have to wait two minutes.
      For the majority of the population they just dont do anything that useful. I usually get my news from the TV, talk to people on the telephone occasionally text a message. I travel a lot with work and live a long way from my family so I do use e-mail a lot and and am the world expert at booking flights and hotels online -- but if I lived closer to home I wouldnt need to do that.

      You can go on about WEB-2 as much as you want but I prefer to socialise in the pub.

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    20. Re:Blindingly obvious by bynary · · Score: 1

      The one thing TVs are lacking to be ubiquitous is a voice-activated remote that auto-detects the TV brand and model to translate voice commands to TV remote commands.

      It's not exactly what you're getting at, but the Logitech Harmony remote does make life a heck of alot easier.

      Also, I'm not sold on the whole voice command thing. That's great for a single person watching TV by themselves in a quiet room. Add in three kids, a dog, someone talking on the phone in the next room, and other noises and voice activation quickly loses its appeal and effectiveness.

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    21. Re:Blindingly obvious by demonbug · · Score: 1
      If we're going to lament technology adoption let's compare it to say China or Australia or some other country with a large citizenry.


      Australia probably wouldn't be the best comparison - it's population is smaller than California's (~20-odd million people). Or did you mean countries with large area?

    22. Re:Blindingly obvious by irtza · · Score: 1

      The general population has been slow to adopt slashdot as compared to the adoption of computers. I am working on research on that right now. Why do you think that is?

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    23. Re:Blindingly obvious by Jorgandar · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well lately im afraid of my TV. I have 3 remotes, i have no idea what they all do. My room mate set it up. I cant get a tivo recording to work. There is no user guide or manual, no help files, no clippy :( So i just dont really watch TV anymore and go play Internet. I guess it works both ways now.

    24. Re:Blindingly obvious by Johnny5000 · · Score: 2, Informative

      WTF are you going to do when GWB is out of office?

      Throw a party.

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    25. Re:Blindingly obvious by treeves · · Score: 1

      Right. Computers can be entertaining, but it takes a little work. It's not a matter of sitting down in front of the thing with a beer and some Cheetos and being passively entertained, like a TV does.

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    26. Re:Blindingly obvious by nasch · · Score: 1

      What's more, because of their inherent complexity, personal computers still have a steep learning curve, even though they are at a relatively mature stage of their evolution. Mature? WTF? We haven't even begun to see what computers will be capable of. I would say computers are barely out of the toddler stage, if that.
    27. Re:Blindingly obvious by Gabrill · · Score: 1

      You're wrong. The big difference is the subscription fee. TV was adopted because the airwaves were free.

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    28. Re:Blindingly obvious by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      That has nothing to do with it.

      What it comes down to, from my perspective, is that computers offer them no perceived benefit. I know quite a few people who feels this way, and I've come to see their point. Simply: computers complicate life. Many of these people don't watch TV, either. They prefer living their lives outside of the complications and convolutions of a "digital lifestyle", instead preferring to rely on a more traditional communication method: word of mouth and the printed word. While it may not be as 'efficient' or as immediate, and there is a trade-off in various other aspects, it is certainly beneficial to their world view of simplicity and reliance on conservative, community and family-based values.

      It seems to work quite well for them. They have more family time and spend a great deal more time actually socializing with other like-minded people than most "connected" people seem to do. You can't replace human interaction without detrimental affects.

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    29. Re:Blindingly obvious by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "You can still have a full life without being an internet addict, they are still BOOKS out there."

      Yep. Sure are. I download some, and order others online. Saves fuel, time, and hassling with brick-and-mortar retailers.

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    30. Re:Blindingly obvious by thc69 · · Score: 1
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    31. Re:Blindingly obvious by ccp · · Score: 1

      People are afraid of computers, and as usual are unwilling to overcome even the most modest of barriers to learn a new skill.

      Not people, but old people. I still have to met somebody under 30 who's not a computer and internet user.
      And the study was about adult America population.
      So, its conclusions are blindingly obvious indeed.

      They really do get money for this? Nice racket.

      Cheers,

      CC
  2. Why, you ask? by beavis88 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe it's because, at the end of the day, both computer hardware and software are generally troublesome pieces of shit.

    1. Re:Why, you ask? by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Oh, to have my mod points back for you.

      It's more than that, though. Once you buy a TV, you're pretty much done for the next 10 years until you buy a new one. Sure, you can susbscribe to cable or satellite, but that's been a creeping cost that people have gently learned to accept.

      With computers, everything is a la carte. Of course, MS and Apple have tried to add in everything you need, but the embedded programs are generally highly restricted. Sit down fanbois - show me an _embedded_ app that lets you rip and recode DVDs and BR/HD discs to your hard drive to access content like a juke box. Yeah, I thought so. And if you do go out into the field to get the most popular apps, you're looking at many times the purchase price of the computer for a set of the full versions, and they usually lower the overall system resposiveness - Yes, I'm looking at you Adobe; you, too, Peter Norton. While there are certainly parallels in the TV /telephone world, the fact remains that computers still don't "just work".

      Computers are still the automobile of the 1920s, or the private aircraft of today. They work, but it's hardly something the average person can really understand and use without a significant investment in both time and money.

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    2. Re:Why, you ask? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ain't that the truth. Even if you only use the box for email, it's just an accident waiting to happen. Bots, spam, viruses... all of these contribute to a crap user experience. At least with TV, you can get 20 minutes of content for every 30 minutes of broadcasting : on the web, you have to suffer through so much annoying, pointless Flash-driven advertising and extraneous junk to get through to a drop of useful content. At least broadcast TV is free; if they can make XM radio virtually ad-free (because I pay for it), why can't they make internet access ad-free if I pay for it?

    3. Re:Why, you ask? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your specific example of DVD ripping -- the #1 feature that MS and Apple would both love to add, were it not against the law -- is stupid.

      Yeah, the company that makes the DVD jukebox won their lawsuit, but that's still a restricted device.

    4. Re:Why, you ask? by quibbler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yep, basically one word: Windows. Microsoft fanboys take a chair, please. Microsoft has single-handedly changed the image of computers from a 1950s/60's/70's "modern marvel" into a troublesome piece of shit. I love my computer(s), and I know many who do, the funny thing is that there's a strong correlation between Windows use and perception that computers "suck". Put simply, because of Microsoft people do not trust their computers. People need to feel secure to adopt new things, and Microsoft has never provided this.

    5. Re:Why, you ask? by mangu · · Score: 2, Interesting
      if you do go out into the field to get the most popular apps, you're looking at many times the purchase price of the computer for a set of the full versions, and they usually lower the overall system responsiveness


      And the answer to this problem is ... Linux!


      Computers are still the automobile of the 1920s, or the private aircraft of today. They work, but it's hardly something the average person can really understand and use without a significant investment in both time and money.


      An interesting parallel, take a look at this description of the user interface in the most popular car in the 1920s:

      There are three pedals on the floor, two levers on the steering column, and one floor lever to the left of the driver. The floor lever is neutral while in the upright position, second gear when in the forward position while the leftmost pedal is not depressed, and emergency brake when all the way back.
        The leftmost pedal is first gear while depressed, second gear if the floor lever is forward when released. The middle pedal is reverse gear and the rightmost pedal is the brake. The right lever on the steering column is the gas, and the other lever is the spark advance. Confused? Once you drive for a month or so, it gets easy, but the controls are far from orthogonal. If you get into trouble, you can just stomp on all three pedals and that will stop you pretty quick. Doing this causes the bands in the transmission to lock up the drive train.


      About half of the cars in the road in the 1920s were Ford Model T. The fact that the user interface shifted to the usual today, with the accelerator on the right, tells a lot how users can accept innovations.


      We can still hope that Windows will go the way of the Model T and people will adopt less cumbersome computer systems in the future. The difference between the Windows user interface and Gnome or Kde is much less than the difference between a Model T and a 1920s Chevrolet.

    6. Re:Why, you ask? by Lockejaw · · Score: 1

      At least broadcast TV is free; if they can make XM radio virtually ad-free (because I pay for it), why can't they make internet access ad-free if I pay for it?
      With broadcast, there is no two-way connection, you just have a receiver. With the internet, everyone has to pay for a connection that lets them send and receive, much like a POTS network. The ads are how other users of the network get the money to pay for their connections.
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    7. Re:Why, you ask? by pedalman · · Score: 1

      If it has tits, wheels, or semiconductors, it will give you problems.

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    8. Re:Why, you ask? by eldepeche · · Score: 1

      Why is DVD ripping against the law? I thought the MPAA agreed that it was fair use, and if you have a legitimate CSS2 license (sold with commercial DVD player software), you're not circumventing anything.

    9. Re:Why, you ask? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's still illegal to sell or distribute software that can rip DVDs to a computer. Using the ripper might be considered fair use, but not selling it. All those "DVD Copy" programs you used to see in Fry's were sued out of existence.

    10. Re:Why, you ask? by Overzeetop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And the answer to this problem is ... Linux!

      Trust me. It's not. Linux makes Windows look like a TV. A dysfunctional, expensive, TV that should be replaced every 6 to 12 months. Linux is that 3 CRT front projection TV you picked up by the side of the road during the town's spring clean up because it "just might work" and a couple of trips to the junk yard might just net you the four or five tubes you need to fire that baby up. Oh, sure, with a CS degree and a few hundred free hours to kill you might end up with a system that is pretty darned snazzy, but nobody else - like your mother, or the babysitter - can figure out how to work it, and when it breaks you'll be either scavenging junkyards for a part the might fit, or you'll have to make your own transistor in your basement.

      I've played with linux, and it's a lot of fun. But even as a moderately competent computer user (learned assembly and machine code on a 6502 in the early 80s), I don't find linux TV-friendly, and I've tried some of the better load-and-go distros (ubuntu, which my 4 year old uses, and a couple flavors of knoppix).

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    11. Re:Why, you ask? by Drunkulus · · Score: 1


      "...computer hardware and software are generally troublesome pieces of shit."
      Score 5, INFORMATIVE

    12. Re:Why, you ask? by nasch · · Score: 1

      I believe they also managed to make it illegal to even create such software for your own use. This is in the US of course; I hear some places still have fair use rights.

  3. Difficult by gambit3 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Cuz it can be difficult, frustrating, and a pain in the ass? Whereas TV consisted once of only three channels and a power button? One of my great-uncles didn't even use the power button, he's just unplug the set.

    Plus, TV is completely passive. You just have to turn it on, and it entertains you. Even when it's online, a PC is not that passive and easy to use.

    1. Re:Difficult by CrimsonScythe · · Score: 1

      Cuz it can be difficult, frustrating, and a pain in the ass?

      If you find it to be a pain in the ass, I dare say you're doing it wrong. Also, be careful; we're talking about high voltages here!

      *Muttering something about those damn sickos...*

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    2. Re:Difficult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus, TV is completely passive. You just have to turn it on, and it entertains you. God, I wish my wife was that simple...
    3. Re:Difficult by JCOTTON · · Score: 1
      well, actually, in those days, television was not as easy as you think. If you were in town, you had to adjust your rabbit ears (!) each time you changed the channel. If you were out of town, you had to mount a roof antenna, and feed the wire to the set. then aim the antenna. You could hire someone to do this, but most people did it themselves. Also, the sets were rather unreliable, using vaacume tubes. (vaccume?) Ours went down almost as often as I now get the blue screen of death on my pc.

      Hello, world.

    4. Re:Difficult by greenbird · · Score: 1

      You just have to turn it on, and it entertains you.

      At best that's an arguable premise at best. I have something like 200 channels to pick from and rarely have I found something that entertains me.

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  4. I'm going to go with... by Moggyboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Terrorism.

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    1. Re:I'm going to go with... by Durrill · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I was going to say "Evangelicals". But, it would seem that both our opinions are closely related. According to them, science never proved anything. Despite the fact that I'm writing this response on a computer.

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    2. Re:I'm going to go with... by Moggyboy · · Score: 1

      Nice sig dude.

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    3. Re:I'm going to go with... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Erh... this isn't costing a corporation money, so I guess the answer may be wrong.

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    4. Re:I'm going to go with... by durin · · Score: 1

      George, is that you?

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  5. Connecting your devices to all the tubes by Timesprout · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It takes ages and it's a PITA.

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  6. Blame the phone companies by gelfling · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who are 10 years behind the rest of the world in bandwidth and services and cost. Blame the cable monopolies who are only a little less horrible than record companies in the rape and pillage the consumers department. Blame Microsoft who, let's face facts, sees you as a wallet. They don't really care how well their crap works and their prices go up not down in contradiction to everything we've ever been promised about the 'digital age.'

    I would have thought the neo-Libertarians here would be cheering for state controlled corporatism. Isn't that what you've been working for?

    1. Re:Blame the phone companies by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But whatever you do, absolutely don't blame the people who aren't using computers...

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    2. Re:Blame the phone companies by anjin-san+3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're blaming Microsoft for the slow adoption of computers inside the U.S.? What operating system do you think they use outside of America?

    3. Re:Blame the phone companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blame it on the rain that was falling, blame it on the stars that shine at night. But whatever you do, don't put the blame on you.....

    4. Re:Blame the phone companies by gelfling · · Score: 1

      Why would they? What incentive is there for them to do that? I was listening to some idiot on NPR yesterday who actually said that people will soon PREFER to watch movies on their PC's soon. Yeah. Staring at a jerky image on a 19" monitor. Sounds like paradise to me. This kind of thinking is why consumers tell the tech companies to go pound sand.

      And how is that paranoia working out that the tech companies are helping to foster? Use a PC and terrorists will rape your kids on the internet while stealing your identity.

    5. Re:Blame the phone companies by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you should get yourself an Apple except for using the lame Media Players that Linux has to offer. **DUCKS**

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    6. Re:Blame the phone companies by operagost · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't know who coined that term "neo-libertarian" (I'm guessing you) but we already have a word for someone who wants to entwine corporations with government: "fascist." Don't make up some grabage term just because you don't like libertarians. Libertarians are opposed to most forms of government control of corporations, positive and negative.

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    7. Re:Blame the phone companies by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      I would have thought the neo-Libertarians here would be cheering for state controlled corporatism. Isn't that what you've been working for?


      I would think Libertarians would not want anything state controlled - since they believe in limited government and all.

      You are thinking of Facists (state controlled corporatism).
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    8. Re:Blame the phone companies by kalislashdot · · Score: 1

      I just don't get it. Corporations exist for one reason, to bring value to their shareholders. Selling you a product is just a side effect of that. If people continue to buy a product that is crappy and broken the corporations does not care. I work for a bank and I greatly feel we do a dis-service to our customers. the right5 thing to do it to close up ship and tell them you could get a better banking experience ANYWHERE else. But we do not, we lie and cheat them and they give us money.

      Once you get over "corporations care" and they learn that they solely exist to make money, you would if you owned stock in these companies, then you will see no problem.

      I have no clue what a neo-libertarian is, but I know libertarians want full free enterprise with government out of business. They believe the government has nothing to do with the economy, but most people think that they congress critters can regulate them into a good paying job.

    9. Re:Blame the phone companies by Analogy+Man · · Score: 2, Funny

      Pirated versions of Windows that cost about 15 cents.

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    10. Re:Blame the phone companies by Kisil · · Score: 1

      Fascism is an authoritarian, dictatorial system of government, which while it might control industry by mandate, is not usually associated with government-owned industry. The stronger association with the term fascism is using nationalism and xenophobia to achieve popularity - see here for more details. (Yeah, I had to go there.)

      Government 'entwined with' corporations sounds more like socialism, although you could also argue that given big corporations' lobbying power, it looks like US democracy.


      But you're right, "neo-libertarian" made almost no sense there.

    11. Re:Blame the phone companies by westlake · · Score: 1
      Blame Microsoft who, let's face facts, sees you as a wallet. They don't really care how well their crap works and their prices go up not down in contradiction to everything we've ever been promised about the 'digital age.'

      Someday - perhaps - the geek may learn this lesson:

      No one in the consumer market gives a damn about the price of OEM Windows -what they do give a damn about is the price of the latest mass market OEM Windows system bundle.

      With specs that look damn good even if you have been out of the market for only two or three years.

    12. Re:Blame the phone companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The entities that stand the make money on technologies do not want to invest in it themselves. Instead they are more interested in re-marking and re-marketing their old stuff and selling it to the same people who bought it the last time. This generality is directed at pharmaceuticals, phone companies, auto makers, Microsoft and many, many more.

      They aim to keep their products as expensive as possible and this, in my opinion, is the single largest contributing factor that keeps technology from the masses. Further, there is a lot of 'cherry picking' when technologies are brought to market. They select limited areas and demographics when they do manage to put something new out there. So in one part of town, you can get FiOS and in another, you can barely get a dial tone. An unfortunate aspect of a capitalistic marketplace is that the captialists follow the money which invariably leads to unequal distribution. And, at least during this phase, the marketers are only interested in short-term gains... they have no interest in building and cultivating their consumer base as the early industrialists did in the early 20th century.

      Even the powerhouse WalMart which has the capability to make all of that change does not. They have the unprecedented ability to shape what manufacturers make, how they make it and how it's packaged. But since their target market is essentially the perpetually poor and undiscriminating consumer, it's rare that anyone buys anything for more than $29.98 these days... and how much "technology" can you buy at one time for that much? Not a lot...

    13. Re:Blame the phone companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People buy what is marketed. If there is a trend (and there does seem to be one) where marketers would rather not spend money on R&D and instead change something they already sell to look new or better in some way and sell it again to the people they sold the old one to, then that's what they will do because it's easier and still brings in money. Why "risk" by trying something new when they continue to make money on the old turds that they just polished to look new?

      The consumers are >Partly to blame but only to the point that they are not intelligent about what they want, need or think they need. The rest of it, and I think it's the majority, is choices made by who market things... the selection is rather limited and adoption of new things are regularly hampered by their pricing structures as well. I think we can all agree that there is greater effort being made to limit consumer choice than there is to provide more. By limiting the choices consumers can make, they also limit the spending needed by R&D and all that stuff. So they make more money selling the old stuff and maintaining their old business models.

    14. Re:Blame the phone companies by metamatic · · Score: 2, Informative

      Government 'entwined with' corporations sounds more like socialism, although you could also argue that given big corporations' lobbying power, it looks like US democracy.

      Kinda depends on whether the government controls the corporations or the corporations control the government. The former tends to be called Socialism, the latter tends to be called Fascism, more properly Corporatism.

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    15. Re:Blame the phone companies by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      I don't know who coined that term "neo-libertarian" (I'm guessing you) but we already have a word for someone who wants to entwine corporations with government: "fascist." Don't make up some grabage term just because you don't like libertarians.

      I wouldn't take him to task for making up/misusing a word - since you have no idea what facist means.
    16. Re:Blame the phone companies by Kisil · · Score: 1

      I think Corporatism fits much better; thanks for filling in the right word. I'd still argue that the original reference to fascism was a little misplaced, as it referred to one specific characteristic using the umbrella term for the whole phenomenon. You could call someone who wants to eliminate personal freedoms Bushian, and you wouldn't be wrong, but Orwellian is more specific and therefore, to me, more correct.

    17. Re:Blame the phone companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who are 10 years behind the rest of the world in bandwidth and services and cost. Blame the cable monopolies who are only a little less horrible than record companies in the rape and pillage the consumers department.

      Yeah, it couldn't possibly be reasonable to blame the fact that we have a much lower population density and vast areas of the country where the entire infractructure is running on 1920's telephone technology. I mean, having to replace the entire communications infrastructure in a country the size of the US certainly shouldn't cost more or take longer than it does for much smaller country like Japan or Korea.

      I apologise to everyone for bringing logic into this.

    18. Re:Blame the phone companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmmmmm?? My own standard for our advancement is when fiber reaches my house. So far we are doing very badly. You blame the cable monopolies. I personally put a lot of the blame on AT&T. In their monopoly lawsuit, Judge Green gave them a choice either stay the country-wide phone company while staying out of the computer business or breakup and get to start making and selling computers. AT&T chose to split apart and they completely sucked at the computer business. If it had stayed together, I believe we would be closer to fiber at home than we are today, where nobody has the resources to make it happen soon.

  7. Incredible! by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Comparing a product that takes an IQ of 12 to understand and use to a product that honestly take above average IQ to use and wondering why the Computer and Internet is not beign adopted as fast as the item everyone calls the "idiot box"?

    Tv is passive, I can sit there and drool at it watching the guy getting kicked in the crotch show all day long. The computer takes not only knowledge and mental ability, but the worst part it takes EFFORT to use.

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    1. Re:Incredible! by Wookietim · · Score: 1

      Ahhhh yes, the whole "TV is passive" argument. If the computer is so interactive, how come the biggest news I have heard recently is the fact that Joost continues to inch closer and closer to completion? Or that "Heroes" is able to be streamed off NBC.com?

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    2. Re:Incredible! by phasm42 · · Score: 1

      Because making the computer more passive like TV would increase sales? Obviously the passive nature of TV works, why not bring it to the computer?

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    3. Re:Incredible! by smithcl8 · · Score: 1

      Sometimes the arrogance of /.ers kills me. To think that a tool as valuable as a computer should take "knowledge and mental ability" illustrates the reason that computers are slower to be adopted.

      All it comes down to is that personal computer software sucks. I don't care if it's for Linux, for the Mac, or for Windows, or if it is the operating systems themselves; for the average Joe, they all suck. Apple makes a damn good attempt at making it work out of the box, but even then it takes a little getting accustomed to.

      Don't get me started about hardware replacement or upgrades that we, as IT folks, have raped people over for years. The prices charged for simple little upgrades are ridiculous. This pricing makes people think it takes a rocket scientist to do it. "If they charge $150 an hour, that must be some complicated stuff!"

      I see the video game console as a much better platform for full adoption. They are, in fact, just small computers, and they work out of the box. Even children with no experience can figure out how to use them and they tend to work for a long time without breaking. No hardware parts to be replaced; if it does break, you just replace it with a new system or send it back under warranty.

    4. Re:Incredible! by Wookietim · · Score: 1

      I think you misunderstood me - I am saying that passivity on the computer is already there. And those computers are called "DVR's" and "VCR's"....

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    5. Re:Incredible! by proxy318 · · Score: 1

      Tv is passive, I can sit there and drool at it watching the guy getting kicked in the crotch show all day long.
      Oh man I love that show! I just got season 3 on DVD.
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    6. Re:Incredible! by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      May you star in your favorite show in season 4

    7. Re:Incredible! by Deadstick · · Score: 1
      Comparing a product that takes an IQ of 12 to understand

      ...and keeps it that way.

      rj

    8. Re:Incredible! by metamatic · · Score: 1

      Everything you say applies equally well to automobiles.

      Requires knowledge? Check, you even have to pass a test.
      UI sucks? Check.
      Complicated? Check.
      Takes some getting used to? Check.
      Hardware replacements and upgrades very expensive? Check.

      Yet they've seen very high adoption rates.

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    9. Re:Incredible! by Stachel · · Score: 1

      The computer takes not only knowledge and mental ability, but the worst part it takes EFFORT to use. (emphasis mine)

      I think this is one of the causes for (young) people getting dumber and education getting worse. People are less and less inclined to put an effort into something in order to obtain a result. Everything has to be obtained quickly and easily, whether it be grades, nourishment, money.

      Putting in an effort to learn something (whether computing, driving a car, a profession, horticulture) is not a bad thing. It is an opportunity to enrich your knowledge, experience, dexterity, and thus the quality of your life. If you're too lazy to put in an effort to learn something or experience something, you might as well get become Borg and sit on that couch all day, watching 'mind numbing, spirit crushing gameshows'.

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  8. The difference by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

    is that the television JustWorks (tm). You just turn the damn thing on, switch channels as required, and that's it. No worries about stealing your banking details, no BSOD, and the closest it gets to viruses are some of those horrible ads (come to think of it, I'd rather have the virus :-P ).

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  9. A few things about the Phone... by GundamFan · · Score: 1

    1. For the most part, they all work the same way.
    2. They are an appliance, if you break one all you need is to do is replace it.
    3. The user interface is very simple: punch in three to ten numbers and then talk to the person you called.
    4. Why do most people need a new way of communicating when they are perfectly happy with the phone?

    My guess is that the big reason is there is no great pressure to adopt digital communication, you can do everything you need without a computer.

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  10. Computers are too interactive by qwijibo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Television is easy. You turn it on, maybe select a channel, and you can sit there for hours. You can change the channel if you really care about what you're watching, but it's also ok to select one channel and leave it on forever. Television doesn't care if you walk away or lay down. It will dutifully drone on in case you happen to be there. Broadcasters are even nice enough to increase the volume on the commercials to make sure that you get exposed to advertising, even if you're in the kitchen cooking dinner.

    It's much harder to use a computer the same way. It's a much more interactive experience. Not only do you have to have some basic knowledge of how they work, you have to click on stuff or something. Take poor people in third world countries as an example - how long would it take to teach them to use a computer well enough to keep themselves entertained? Compare that with the level of training needed to use a television.

    In both cases, the vast majority of users utilize the technology for entertainment. There are a lot of educational uses available for both technologies, but most users have no interest in that. Mindless entertainment is TV. Interactive entertainment is games/web browsing.

    Not everyone wants interactive entertainment. There are a lot of people who get up, go to work, perform some dull, repetetive task, come home and want to continue their zombie lifestyle with a few beers and some background noise/visual stimulation. There's no way for interactive media like computers to compete with television in the zombie market segment.

    1. Re:Computers are too interactive by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Hot and cool media. Marshall McLuhan was way ahead of his time.

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    2. Re:Computers are too interactive by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      What's with all the animosity towards the zombie box?

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    3. Re:Computers are too interactive by qwijibo · · Score: 1

      I have no animosity towards the television. In fact, I think it serves its role superbly. I even partake in the zombie box every now and then, though I prefer more interactive and stimulating entertainment.

      The zombie box keeps all of these zombies at home every night where they should be. The last thing we need is a bunch of zombies roaming the streets because there's no television. The documentaries on zombie invasions clearly teach us that you have to shoot them in the head to make them stay down. With the rising costs of ammunition, we'd be in for a major recession if we didn't have television to keep these zombies safely at home.

      Computers are great for a lot of people, but there's just no way to get the kind of market penetration that television has without more effectively catering to the zombie population.

    4. Re:Computers are too interactive by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      That may be true, but I would think Zombies (and their extreme cousins those infected with the 28-days-later virus) would be far more effective at finding prey if they only were able to utilize the computer more effectively in their search (their hyperactive blood-scent ability notwithstanding).

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    5. Re:Computers are too interactive by qwijibo · · Score: 1

      Sure they would benefit, but who's going to train them to post "Wanted: Brains" on craigslist? Just like business people, zombies see IT people and want to chew them up and spit them out. That natural reflex prevents them from getting the support needed to establish a viable IT infrastructure that would pay them back tenfold down the road.

    6. Re:Computers are too interactive by ccp · · Score: 1

      Take poor people in third world countries as an example - how long would it take to teach them to use a computer well enough to keep themselves entertained?

      Doh? All of five minutes? Like in millions of cyber-cafes?

      The stupidity of your comment is stunning, and the worst part is that I suspect you're not trolling, but you really believe it.

      Cheers,

      CC
  11. Comparing Apples and Oranges by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Comparing the PC with the TV is not really valid.

    The TV is a single use, passive, entertainment medium whereas the PC is a multi use, active, tool. In other terms the TV is 'lean back' technology whereas the PC is 'lean forward' technology. Whichever way you put it they are not the same.

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    1. Re:Comparing Apples and Oranges by timpaton · · Score: 1
      Comparing the PC with the TV is not really valid.

      The TV is a single use, passive, entertainment medium whereas the PC is a multi use, active, tool. In other terms the TV is 'lean back' technology whereas the PC is 'lean forward' technology. Whichever way you put it they are not the same.

      So, compare the PC with the automobile instead.

      Driving a car is an "active" activity, as is using a computer.

      Early automobiles needed one, sometimes two skilled mechanics to drive. Nowdays you can drive a car without any knowledge of, or sensitivity to, the mechanical workings of the car. The user interface is dumbed down so that a normal person can use it, and the reliability is adequate that it rarely needs specialist attention to maintain or repair it.

      Computers haven't reached that level of development yet. Normal people still struggle to "drive" without causing damage. Service intervals are too short. Repairs are required too frequently.

      It's the progression of the technology from a complex system that requires specialist expertise, to being an appliance. Cars have had a century to get there, computers haven't.

      Most people here would be terrified of the day when the user experience of a computer is as brain-dead as the user experience of a Toyota Camry. For that matter, most car enthusiasts are already terrified that cars are as brain-dead as a Camry.

      When a computer is truly an appliance, I contend that it should no longer be called a "computer". In fact, "computing" is no longer the primary function of the devices that we currently call a "computer", outside of a scientific workplace. It's a communication and entertainment device, which occasionally doubles as a media editor (all media from text documents to digital video). Computation happens behind the scenes, and the user need not know anything about it.

  12. I was going to say "Windows" by benjcurry · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe it's because, at the end of the day, both computer hardware and software are generally troublesome pieces of shit.
    I was going to say "Windows," but I see you beat me to it.
    1. Re:I was going to say "Windows" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yeah, linux is so much easier to set up. The driver for my ethernet card stopped working in 2.6.20. Here's the relevant output from dmesg:

      et131x.ko:>:et131x_init_module
      10/100/1000 Base-T Ethernet Driver for the ET1310, v1.2.3 01/31/2006 15:40:00 by Agere Systems, http://www.agere.com/
      et131x.ko:>>:et131x_pci_reg ister
      et131x.ko:>>>:et131x_pci_probe
      et131x.ko:> >>>:et131x_pci_setup
      et131x.ko:WARNING:et131x_pci _setup PCI CONFIG SPACE WORKAROUND REQUIRED
      et131x.ko:WARNING:et131x_pci_setup pdev->resource[0].start : 0x00000000
      et131x.ko:WARNING:et131x_pci_setup et131x_reg_base : 0xfe000000
      et131x.ko:ERROR:et131x_pci_setup Can't find PCI device's base address
      et131x.ko:<<<<:et131x_pci_setup
      et131x.k o:<<<:et131x_pci_probe
      et131x.ko:TRACE:et131x_pci _register pci_register_driver( ) returns 0
      et131x.ko:<<:et131x_pci_register
      et131x.ko:<:e t131x_init_module
      et131x.ko:>:et131x_cleanup_modu le
      et131x.ko:>>:et131x_pci_unregister
      et131x.ko: >>>:et131x_pci_remove
      et131x.ko:ERROR:et131x_pci_ remove Could not retrieve net_device struct
      et131x.ko:<<<:et131x_pci_remove
      et131x.ko :<<:et131x_pci_unregister
      et131x.ko:<:et131x_clea nup_module
      See, linux makes it all so simple!
    2. Re:I was going to say "Windows" by StarvingSE · · Score: 1

      This is fine, linux is the geek's OS. I don't understand why everyone wants linux to go "mainstream." It has a very good foothold in the corporate environment, it doens't need to be in everyone's home.

      I believe a large part of window's problems are the fact that since MS wants it on every computer in the world, so they have to make it appealing to everyone. They want geeks to like it, but they also want John Q. Public to like it as well. Therefore, windows is a compromise of power, customizability, and ease of use that no one really likes, they just deal with it.

      If linux were to go mainstream, it would also have to deal with these issues. Linux is a geeks OS, and I hope it always will be. If you can't understand (or know where to go help with) the above error message, you really need to go back to windows.

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    3. Re:I was going to say "Windows" by mechsoph · · Score: 1

      I believe a large part of window's problems are the fact that since MS wants it on every computer in the world, so they have to make it appealing to everyone. They want geeks to like it, but they also want John Q. Public to like it as well. Therefore, windows is a compromise of power, customizability, and ease of use that no one really likes, they just deal with it.

      Some people seem to think MacOSX gracefully combines power and ease of use. It sure does seem to be popular with the CS professors. Ubuntu on the linux side is also getting easier with every release while still being Debian at heart. While making an OS with broad appeal may be difficult, Microsoft's competitors are doing it, which just makes its own incompetence all the more astounding.

    4. Re:I was going to say "Windows" by Richard+Steiner · · Score: 1

      Why do you assume that Linux is the only alternative OS which is relatively hassle-free? OS/2, FreeBSD, Solaris, and MacOS (X or otherwise) are all good examples of OSes which require far less maintenance than the currently available Windows variants.

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    5. Re:I was going to say "Windows" by prestomation · · Score: 1

      I see you have successfully thwarted the system. Isn't there some law against posting the same comment twice in two different threads?

  13. Simply put... by baudilus · · Score: 1

    Complexity. We'll have to wait a generation or two before the US gets kicked into technological overdrive - We have an aging population of boomers, most of whom are unwilling, unable, or generally uninterested. Someone who's lived an entire lifetime without a computer generally won't see the true value in such a device. Couple that with the fact that there's no idealogical analog upon which computers are built (contrast: cell phones), and you have the double whammy. Cell phones are so popular because you use them (almost) just like a regular phone, except you don't have to be at home. This is why the industry exploded so quickly - there was already a ridiculously ubiquitous technology in place, and they expanded that idea. Once those of us who have grown up around computers are the old-timers, I think we'll start seeing real growth.

  14. I was going to say "Windows" by benjcurry · · Score: 5, Funny

    Terrorism.
    I was going to say "Windows," but I see you beat me to it.
  15. TV has brainwashed us. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And most of the good bits of our brains have gone down the toilet (or wherever it is that the brainwash solution drains). How are we supposed to use computers when we're half-tarded, scro? Actually it's not hard to use computers - just click on that blue E and all the porn you need is at yer fingertips. If the computer gets really slow, it's time to buy a new one!

    1. Re:TV has brainwashed us. by RulerOf · · Score: 1

      And most of the good bits of our brains have gone down the toilet (or wherever it is that the brainwash solution drains).
      Being a computer junkie (hello fellow Slashdotters), I have all but ceased watching television, and I just recently poured money into a theater style HDTV setup.

      My television most seriously gets its greatest use via the attached computer and gaming consoles. I watch at least four shows that air weekly... and they're all drama shows with good writing (Heroes, anyone?). I actually prefer to watch shows two or three days after they air, when I can snag them via means other than my cable DVR and view them without advertisements. Commercials make me sick, and they ruin good shows. Even fast forwarding through them ruins a show. When I actually do sit down at the television and start flipping through the channels, I flip through the movie channels cause I know I might find something of quality to watch. But the point: Commericals, Reality TV, MTV... whatever... watching it as-is makes me feel stupid. Getting force fed an advertisement for some new product or seeing the most generalized preview for some show I don't even watch as a ploy by a network to keep me "tuned in" to their advertisements (not their shows) makes me feel like an idiot. And yes, as the OP says, those little good bits of my brain go flushing down the toilet.

      Instead, I prefer to specifically pull what good bits of entertainment that I can from a series of tubes rather than the networks' garbage filled firehose. Hell, I just might even drop my cable service and my premium channels altogether if only I could subscribe to commercial free programming delivered ala carte over the internet in high definition and.... oh wait
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    2. Re:TV has brainwashed us. by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1

      Better double check your internet pricing. I could drop my cable, but it would cost me an extra $15 a month to get just broadband. Interestingly, I'm only paying $15 for basic cable. What a coincidence.

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  16. Easy Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not embraced with open arms because (/when) it's not necessary after all. There's so much more in life.

    It's not some deficiency or shortage. No panic. Sheesh.

    (Posting AC for obvious...)

  17. Duh. by CriminalNerd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What keeps the most important and powerful communication tool since the telephone from being universally embraced?

    Simple. Human stupidity and laziness, especially the reluctance to take the time to learn key concepts such as computer security and e-mail attachment limits.

    I don't blame the ones who are truly unable to adapt and learn to work with the new technology, but the ones who are clearly capable, but ignorant enough to not care, are the ones who contribute to a nation-wide, condescending attitude towards the technologically-trained. Some could say that technology has pampered the public enough to the point that they expect computers to do everything for them and denounce it if they cannot open a bootleg copy of Spiderman 3 because of a lack of video codecs.

    1. Re:Duh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Some could say that technology has pampered the public enough to the point that they expect computers to do everything for them and denounce it if they cannot open a bootleg copy of Spiderman 3 because of a lack of video codecs."

      Bad example. I'm a computer geek and I get pissed off with the video codec situation. These things damn well ought to be freeware (and preferably OSS) and any half-decent media player should just automatically download any codec they lack. The trouble is that IP laws aren't really set up right to allow propagation of such useful low-level technology and that Real/Apple/MS use that situation to cause vendor lock in instead of competing on quality.

      People (including most geeks) simply should not need to understand what a codec is or does, any situation that involves having to understand that is a failure at the interface design level.

    2. Re:Duh. by CriminalNerd · · Score: 1

      They ARE freeware...unless you meant "open-source" which is a bit different IMO...

      And media players don't generally download any codec at a whim because they'll obviously be slandered for "preferring one codec over another".


      People (including most geeks) simply should not need to understand what a codec is or does, any situation that involves having to understand that is a failure at the interface design level.

      And I assume that file format compatibility is a similar problem? Somehow, I very much doubt you're a "geek".

  18. Because people don't need them. by arthurpaliden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A computer is just a tool like a chain saw or a sewing machine. If I need the tool I will get it and use it. If I don't need it, and for day to day living it is really not required, I will not get it. Unless I am a normal guy then I will buy one a put it on the shelf next to the combo-wrench-screwdriver-hammer I bought last week.

  19. Mental Block and Bad Software and Bad Directrion by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Well first people have a Mental Block, If they are not good with computers then why bother embracing the technology because it will only reconferm their faults. So "I am not a computer wiz, so I will avoid this."

    Bad Software Computer OS's and Software are designed in the most part to try to do everything. Which creates a horible interface (Apples Included). For many people the Apple II were so much easier then modern systems. You put the disk in for the program you want to run and your turn the computer On just iike Gaming counsoles. People will be happier with more focused systems and software but they are afraid to buy them because they feel like they will be missing out. So causing Bad Software to be more popular then good software.

    Bad Direction, The computers are becoming more and more complex, to use them you need more and more time to keep them clean and in good order. Anti-Virus, Spam Blocking, Firewalls, Spyware, Intrusion Detections, Checking for Zombie Processes... It is too much.

    Americans have lost their origional Ideal of Hardwork breads success and toward the quick and easiest way to make it rich, or to keep up with the Jones. They have learned that Being good in Science and Technology doesn't directly help them succeed so they drop it and focus more on politics, and impressing others so they could make it rich.

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  21. it's voluntary by Speare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Everyone else pointed to the relative complexity, but I think it's more than that.

    There are not many televisions in the workplace-- it's a toy for your leisure.

    There are often more computers than desired at the workplace-- it's a tool of commerce. Many people just don't want that sort of thing to be prominent in their home lives too.

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  22. Because were are not all the same. by Shivetya · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Look, outside of work, if I really wanted to, I could live without my computer. Hell I can live without a cell phone too. It just takes discipline. I lived through the 70s and 80s without the access I have these days as did my parents and their parents before them.

    Rural America has more pressing issues than the net, let alone the people with manual labor type jobs. Don't classify them as ignorant either. Many of them do a far better job at raising their families than the so called "educated elite". They don't need the net as a subsitute for life and friends. They don't need TV shows for entertainment, let alone care to see the violence in big cities portrayed in fiction and fact.

    Its America stupid, we are not one giant homogenized horde. We are little tight knit groups spread out across a large area all enjoying the freedom this country affords, and that freedom can and does mean not doing what everyone thinks you should be doing. Hell there are times I wish I could live back on the farm, work 12 to 14 hour days, and never see a computer. Somethings the simpler life is actually better.

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    1. Re:Because were are not all the same. by Doc+Lazarus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But then again, the crux of your argument is that life would be simpler, but not that enlightening. While I did grow up in a fairly rural town, I wouldn't care to do it again. Having a close knit group of people you can rely upon is good, but it's not everything. It leads to a stagnation of thought and personal growth as you become homogenized to your group. And a lot of the time, most people see that as a negative instead of a positive. Yes, you're in a group, but you're alone in that group.

      This shows that one of the biggest problems that America faces is being too insular. Variety is indeed the spice of life, and simply living with people that you adapt your values to in exchange for feeling a sense of belonging is a false one. Plus, it could be seen that a rejection of something that takes skill in exchange for being purposely ignorant is not a virtue, but a sign of fear.

    2. Re:Because were are not all the same. by bhsurfer · · Score: 1

      I got rid of my cell phone about 5 months ago and after a week I was wondering why I ever thought I needed it. It's just one more unnecessary thing to worry about. I don't know how I'd feel about losing my dsl though - I'm not ready to find out. I guess you have to take this "off the grid" thing in baby steps.

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    3. Re:Because were are not all the same. by benj_e · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Variety is indeed the spice of life, and simply living with people that you adapt your values to in exchange for feeling a sense of belonging is a false one.

      You don't think this is a problem on the 'net? There are thousands of little groups that hang out with each other, online, because they re-enforce each other's beliefs. Look at profiles on MySpace or other sites and see how many people are looking for a "safe" place to talk about things. I see that as code for "think like I do".

      All that the Internet has enabled is that people can now hang out with other people just like them - Regardless of Geography.

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    4. Re:Because were are not all the same. by daoine_sidhe · · Score: 1

      I agree completely...I worked for a major tech support outfit (we did MSN internet access phone support) back in 2000; by the time I left I was so sick of the technology that I quite literally went back to the farm. I milked, repaired electric fences, brought in hay, etc. and did it from 6 in the morning to around 7 at night. I was happy. If it wasn't for the low pay I'd probably still be there now. Sometimes simple is good.

    5. Re:Because were are not all the same. by Moofie · · Score: 1

      "Somethings the simpler life is actually better."

      And sometimes the simpler life gives you cholera. You're welcome to be a luddite, but I will use the best tools available to bend the world to my will.

      There were no good old days.

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    6. Re:Because were are not all the same. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when did simple life equal suicidal desire to ignore modern medicine? And I hope you weren't thinking of mentioning the few religious groups who think exactly that since any fool knows they're a minority of a minority.

    7. Re:Because were are not all the same. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      If everyone lived the "simple life", there would be no modern medicine. You think doctors and pharmaceutical researchers come up with treatments by sitting around milking cows?

      If you want to live like you're in the 1800s, you shouldn't pick and choose what parts of that lifestyle you'll accept. Don't be a hypocrite. At least those crazy religious groups are being consistent.

    8. Re:Because were are not all the same. by amyhughes · · Score: 1
      There are thousands of little groups that hang out with each other, online, because they re-enforce each other's beliefs. Look at profiles on MySpace or other sites and see how many people are looking for a "safe" place to talk about things. I see that as code for "think like I do".

      Like slashdot?

    9. Re:Because were are not all the same. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You apparantly have a very different definition of "simple life." I see it as meaning removing unncessary complexities in ones normal days. Sickness is of course an extrodinary event and treated accordingly. Since most folks ranging from amish to technophile don't want to die, or suffer this seems like the most rational definition. In any case when did anyone say you should only live a "simple life,?"

    10. Re:Because were are not all the same. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I have an extended family that is very rural and uneducated. All they do (besides work at manual-labor jobs) is sit around and talk about utterly boring subjects, like what's on TV, what various relatives are doing (so-and-so's getting married, etc.), or complaining about the black people in the area.

      If you're interested in talking about the possibility of a space elevator or a Mars mission, national or international events, how the DMCA is having chilling effects on free speech because of the HD-DVD code, etc., you better keep your mouth shut around these people because they'll think you're crazy. They really can't relate to much outside their simple, daily lives.

      Why anyone (like people here on Slashdot) would want to limit their social interaction to very narrow-minded groups like this, I have no idea. People on the net may only hang out with people with similar beliefs, but at least they're getting much more mental stimulation than if they only hung out with the people in their own little family or town.

      Besides, there's tons of people hanging out on sites like Slashdot, and I see nothing but arguing and bickering here. People here don't think alike at all; they might have an interest in technology in general, but that's where the similarities end. There's Windows lovers, Linux fans, people interested in science, people who hate science and actively disbelieve in the scientific method (I'm referring to all the Creationists that pop up any time that topic comes up), pro- and anti-gun people, pro- and anti-Bush people, etc. etc. Who would have thought "geeks" would have such highly divergent opinions on everything?

  23. No Beer and No T.V. Make Homer Something Something by geoffrobinson · · Score: 1

    T.V. embraces us with a mind-numbing warm glow. Comptuers enrage us and make us want to break things.

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  24. I beg to differ... by baudilus · · Score: 1

    There are plenty of posters here with below average IQ's! :P

    1. Re:I beg to differ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know but it's not polite to pick on the Windows Vista users.

  25. People don't read so well by rsilvergun · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The internet requires lots of reading. Broadband and Youtube cut down on it a little, but there's still lots and lots of reading. People don't like to read.

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  26. "Let them eat cake" by betelgeuse68 · · Score: 1

    Who cares... when the the old generation(s) die off, problem solved. A significant portion of generation is included here.

    Not a whippersnapper,
    -M

  27. Embrace IT gadgets != happiness by GoChickenFat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    IT gadgets are ultimately not that important in the overall pursuit of happiness. What's the point of keeping up with all of the IT gadgets if all it ever does is give you a constant chore of learning the next new (questionably useless) thing? The general public is not interested in being under a constant challenge to keep up with gadgets that have little affect on their personal lives. Most people don't need a PDA, or a GPS, or a video iPod. The happiest people I know have limited to no access to IT gadgets outside of cell phones. The most stressed and unhappy (add broke and unhealthy) people I know are the ones that are constantly trying to keep up with the latest in technology. A TV is easy...if you're not making a living in IT you just don't need all of the gadgets.

    1. Re:Embrace IT gadgets != happiness by svendsen · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

      What people fail to realize is Tech toys are WANTS not NEEDS.

      The middle class is dying. Which means they are the rich and the poor and what's in between is shrinking very fast. And the poor have more to worry about then if they can read /.

  28. An article comparing TV and IT adoption... by Dancindan84 · · Score: 1

    ...without a single mention of porn. I call shenanigans.

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  29. Simple! by Oersoep · · Score: 1

    The amish of course!

  30. Glenn Derene is on crack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    without RTFA, and judging the book by its cover, this Glenn Derene is on crack! Slow emrace of IT? is he not taking into account corporate giants and how they are dominating the world over?

  31. you really believe only 49% use modern gadgetry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just about everyone now has a cell phone and a pc, or multiple pcs? I wonder what the definition of a modern gadget is?

  32. It's no mystery by BVis · · Score: 1

    People don't use computers willingly because they require that you not be stupid in order to use them proficiently. The American culture coddles and protects the stupid while marginalizing and sabotaging the intelligent. Deception and exploitation of those who have an IQ above room temperature drives the economy, while those whose only talents are passing the buck, blaming others, and using influence gotten through subterfuge and blackmail can ascend to the Presidency, if their fathers are the right people.

    The short version: People are Wicked Fucking Stupid (tm).

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    1. Re:It's no mystery by svendsen · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps...

      People who are poor are trying to focus on surviving?

      Or there is so much information you can only learn so much? I have a masters degree in the IT world but knowledge of house construction is nil. So am I lazy? Ok I learn about houses, then cars, boats, farming, doctor stuff, etc. Oh wait I have a life outside of work, one can only learn so much.

      Or the cost/benefit of technology doesn't add up for an individual? And by cost I don't just mean cash, I mean the time, maintenance, etc. of the tech item.

      OR here is a crazy idea...people have other interests then technology that fulfill there lives?

      My fiancé does neuroscience research, can you talk to at the absolute lowest level of neuron functionality? You can't? You must be lazy not to have learned that.

      Just my 2 cents

    2. Re:It's no mystery by BVis · · Score: 1

      You're confusing "ignorant" with "stupid". Ignorant people can be educated on the particular thing they're ignorant of. Stupid people willfully remain ignorant of a subject that directly impacts their lives. I'm sure your fiancé has knowledge that I'm ignorant of (my knowledge of neuroscience being limited to my A&P classes in college, basically registered-nurse level) but were it useful to me I could learn it.

      Anyone can learn to use a computer, there's no magic to it. It doesn't require talent like, say, playing a violin or throwing a curveball. People who choose not to learn how to use a computer when their lives would be improved through that knowledge (either in terms of employment opportunities or, seriously, basic survival skills [for example, using a publicly available computer at a town library or somesuch to research options for public assistance]) are acting in a stupid manner.

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    3. Re:It's no mystery by svendsen · · Score: 1

      I'll have to respectfully disagree with you

      Anyone may be able to learn anything. However because you can't learn everything there is to learn you have to pick and choose.

      "People who choose not to learn how to use a computer when their lives would be improved through that knowledge (either in terms of employment opportunities or, seriously, basic survival skills [for example, using a publicly available computer at a town library or somesuch to research options for public assistance]) are acting in a stupid manner."

      I don't equate with using a computer to survival skills. It helps a lot agreed but again some people are not in positions that they can or will learn the computer. If person A doesn't get a benefit from learning X they won't learn X and learn something else that will help them.

      Now if your argument is that people who need to learn the computer don't [say for their job] refuse to do so because it's hard/scary/whatever then ya I would agree with you that those select people are being dumb.

      However I believe (with no evidence what so ever and making wild guesses just based on experience with the small people I know, and of course this means nothing either) that most people have no desire to learn the computer because they would rather do other things in their life.

    4. Re:It's no mystery by BVis · · Score: 1

      However I believe (with no evidence what so ever and making wild guesses just based on experience with the small people I know, and of course this means nothing either) that most people have no desire to learn the computer because they would rather do other things in their life.
      I'd rather not pay taxes, or go to work, or drive at the speed limit, or any number of other things. We do these things because we have to. Becoming computer literate needs to stop being optional IMHO; it should be at the same level as learning to read and write (and, arguably, it's simpler.)
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    5. Re:It's no mystery by svendsen · · Score: 1

      Then we will have to agree to disagree. Learning a computer is not a survival skill at all.br>
      Why don't we teach everyone how to farm that is the ultimate survival skill (throw some hunting and gathering in there too). If society crumbles how many people can fend for themselves?

      If you can't afford to pay rent, get food, get your needed meds, you sure as heck aren't going to waste time to learn how to operate a computer. If you have enough free time and money to do that then count your blessings.

      Not all jobs require computer skills or computer tech. And if you really want to open a can of worms define computer skills. Email, word processing, installing an OS, etc, etc? Does somebody who can barely use the OS but a master of Excel less computer skilled then someone who knows all about the OS but nothing about excel and being able to manipulate and read data?

  33. Comapre to VCR, not TV by throatmonster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...and you get just a tiny bit closer in relative complexity. But really, whoever publishes something that thinks comparing a TV to a computer has any validity whatsoever, should really just stick to watching the TV.

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  34. my reasons for not embracing IT by FudRucker · · Score: 0

    i do not trust computers & the internet & the websites that offer goods & services for sale, almost every day you hear about some server getting cracked open & vital personal data getting ripped off identity theft, some lame brained government official getting his laptop full of SSN#s and other vital personal info on hundreds of thousands of people ripped off, banks and other financial institutions requiring MS-Windows & Internet Exploiter only which has the worst track record when it comes to being a secure platform, when a hardened Linux or BSD would be better...

    and you expect me to trust this? with banking/finance and making purchases? or doing anything with my vital personal information? NOT A CHANCE!!!

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  35. i'm one of those trogolites by peter303 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've been writing software since 1970 and still paid very well for it - vertical applications in video game graphics. I have a MIT degree and had a email address since 1974 and computer newsgroups sicne 1984. I have not bought my own computer yet, bought my first TV and car age 35. Didnt buy a cell phone until last year when when payphones went nearly extinct, and only use it for travel. I sweat from confusion of choices when going into a circuit city.

    1. Re:i'm one of those trogolites by caffeine_high · · Score: 1

      perhaps the reason you don't need your own computer is that your employer lets you post on slashdot ;-)

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  36. Simple Answer by moracity · · Score: 1

    There is more to life and computers and the latest uber-gizmo. Regular people simply have no need for it. There are far more people in this country that are born, live, and die in the same town and never travel outside their home state than do not. By and large, Americans are fairly practical people.

    If I work in a trailer factory in Idaho and everything I need is within a 10 minute drive, what need do I have for the internet and wi-fi and bluetooth and iPhones?

    1. Re:Simple Answer by svendsen · · Score: 1

      Duh German Poop Porn

  37. list of reasons by egburr · · Score: 4, Interesting
    What keeps the most important and powerful communication tool since the telephone from being universally embraced?

    • Price - hundreds to thousands of dollars for a computer versus tens of dollars for a phone
    • Ease of use - I can make and complete a phone call in less time than my computer takes to boot
    • Ease of maintainability - virus checking, defragmentation, spyware, trojans, etc. Need I say more?
    • Expected lifespan - Growing up, we had the same phone for 15 years. Even the cheap phones last 5 usually. How long is it until a computer is obsolete? Two years? Unusable in four?
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  38. Old People by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What keeps the most important and powerful communication tool since the telephone from being universally embraced?

    Answer: an aging population.

    1. Re:Old People by anubi · · Score: 1
      As a member of the "aging population", I think you have a very valid reply.

      I am of the era of people who have had to live with their mistakes. That is another way of saying you have to sleep in the bed you made.

      I was fortunate enough to live through the era when computers just came into existence, and the mindset at the time was much like the mindset in building a tractor. One wanted to do it right so he didn't have to do it over. Any farmer will tell you a tractor not "done right" is not worth having. Its gotta work, out of the box, and continue to work robustly. If it doesn't, its a liability, not an asset.

      I was lucky enough to get CAD programs, written in as day where they were more concerned that the program filled a need. In my case, it was schematic capture and PCB layout. I have programs, obviously written in assembler, which do just that, quickly and efficiently on anything honoring the old VGA baseline standard. I still use these programs. Daily.

      I have refused the newer stuff, as it is so laced with DRM and finicky code. It scares me as much as these new loans they try to foist upon new homeowners. Its bloated and unreliable. It will often run only under a certain version of OS. What use is it? From what I can see, the only people who will have anything to do with it are people whose income is decoupled from their productivity - people who are driven to have the "latest thing" rather than people who, by necessity, must have "something that works".

      I guess its why some of us love our simple old Toyota Corollas, and others like fancy "performance" vehicles, irregardless of their cost. I, for one, love the idea that if it goes wrong, its no big thing to fix it. I have had my Toyota for over 30 years. The first thing that turned me off on new cars was the dealer's reticence of giving me schematics and source code for the car's computer and them not having a RS-232 serial debug interface to the computer.

      I could not see the difference in my seeing whether or not a brake shoe was working properly, or if the computer was working properly. If I had something fouling the brake shoe, I wanted to be able to personally see it. If the computer had a problem, I wanted to see it too. The new car people wanted to keep me ignorant. I lose all interest in having something I do not understand. Having such a thing to me is as unnerving as having a letter in my mailbox from a lawyer. Now that I am involved, what do I do with it?

      I remember one simple power outage... my old T2500 phone ( yes, the old Western Electric design with carbon mike ) was the only phone working in my immediate neighborhood. I still have three of those old monsters in my house, albeit I have disconnected the bell in two of them because I didn't want to overload the new phone circuits.

      My favorite OS by far was my old Commodore OS, who always greeted me with some 38K bytes ready by the time the CRT could display anything. DOS was a close second. I hated this stuff that took forever and a day, and left me hanging never knowing if it would come up or not. Being I am convinced computers are deterministic, and should come up the same way every time, it unsettles me when it occasionally needs to be rebooted to come up. Its like going to an ATM and occasionally being told I don't exist.

      It seems to me that computer OS available these days has got so centered around the GUI that having one of these things is like having a construction guy that is very familiar with all the clothing styles offered at Men's Wearhouse but doesn't know much about what's in Home Depot.

      His purpose is to get handshakes with millionaires, not fix the house. And he dresses accordingly. To impress. Not to work.

      I am frustrated with all this useless complexity. It seems like sports scores which must be memorized in order to maintain "interesting conversation" at social gatherings. Meanwhile stuff I would find interesting, such as how to maximize efficien

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  39. Well... by sheldon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My father was an engineer at Zenith, back in 60's and 70's... We had one of the first color televisions in the neighborhood. It also just happened to be a engineering prototype. But don't worry! My father had the schematics!

    So in my family, we had what we called the yearly "Fix the Television" event. This would be somewhat akin to reinstalling the OS in your computer. It involved taking the back off the television and with a combination of compressed air and a vacuum, removing most of the dust. Sometimes it involved replacing weak solder joints. But it always involved replacing worn out vacuum tubes.

    Each vacuum tube, of which there were perhaps 20 total, was removed one at a time and carefully wrapped in kleenex and placed in a box. This box then was taken down to Radio Shack where each tube was placed into the tube tester to verify it's performance characteristics.

    After buying the new tubes to replace the old ones, back home we came to reassemble the television.

    People today lament about how there is no longer a need for television repair men. Instead people keep their televisions for 10-15 years and when they die they throw them away. Some day people will be complaining about how you don't need a help desk, and desktop support teams.

    That day can't come soon enough for me.

    1. Re:Well... by deKernel · · Score: 0

      Wow! Did your story ever bring back memories. I can even remember being able to go to K-Marts to get those tube!
      Sheesh I am getting old. Guess I will now go out and buy a cane for tonights square dance.

    2. Re:Well... by metamatic · · Score: 1

      People today lament about how there is no longer a need for television repair men.

      Digital TV is fixing that problem. My TV needed a firmware upgrade applied by a TV repair man. Before that we had to reboot it every day.

      (No, I'm not kidding, sadly. I predict that in 10 years' time, you'll be rebooting your toaster.)

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    3. Re:Well... by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      >Some day people will be complaining about how you don't need a help desk, and desktop support teams.

      Dunno about that. The computer is a programmable device, thus its always changing (running different apps). The TV runs one app (the tv) and has very simple functions (on/off, channel change) etc. Its interesting to see the low levels of tech adoption when it comes to tivo, 5.1 or HDTV. A lot of people dont care for the added complexity of a TV system, a PC system a 100x worse. I think its osmething of a minor miracle that we've gotten all the slovenly TV types using internet-enabled PCs. Its not something they would have demanded on their own, but with the right push from various vendors and the hype, they aer learning that a PC in the home is actually a good idea.

      Lastly, the TV and PC have little in common. One is strictly an entertainment device the other can be a lot of things. Its like comparing a swiss army knife to a rock and wondering why the swiss army knife cant be as easy to use as the rock.

    4. Re:Well... by sheldon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, think about it. That only stopped being the case say 30 years ago. But the TV had been around for another 40 or so before that.

      Now let's look at the personal computer. It's about 30 years old. In that time, things have changed dramatically. Our first systems, getting a computer to work with your new printer involved typing in ESCAPE code sequences into a config file in WordStar.

      Things change, and usually for the better. That's the only thing that is guaranteed.

  40. Edumacation by 955301 · · Score: 0, Flamebait


    http://www.edweek.org/media/2006/06/16/dcfinal_1s. jpg

    Don't credit the midwest too much - the majority of the population in the US is along the east and west coast. Having said that, also keep in mind that the US grade school education system SUCKS.

    http://www.ratemyteachers.com/

    I live in Georgia:

    http://www.edweek.org/media/2006/06/19/41s-pipelin e-c2s.jpg

    The fact that I'm having a child in this state scares the hell out of me.

    My point is, using a computer, earning enough to have discretionary spending money and finding any value in a java enabled mobile phone versus a new car requires some degree of intelligence. This is an uphill battle for most people in the US, who are regarded as "resources" by anyone with an MBA and as the unwashed masses by anyone doing very well.

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    1. Re:Edumacation by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      live in Georgia:

      http://www.edweek.org/media/2006/06/19/41s-pipelin e-c2s.jpg

      The fact that I'm having a child in this state scares the hell out of me.


      That map reminds me of the red state/blue state electoral college map. You can see the dividing line at the Ohio river. You could compare things like poverty, average income, teenage pregnancy and the like and it would look pretty similar.

    2. Re:Edumacation by mechsoph · · Score: 1

      That map reminds me of the red state/blue state electoral college map.

      Those maps very closely follow population density. That does not seem to be the case here to such a degree.

  41. TV Too Easy? We can fix that... by bockelboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I appreciate the fact that most posters and the article writer seem to blame the difference on the fact that TVs are so much easier to use than computers.

    Those people obviously aren't looking far enough into the future.

    I see a world with a mess of cords behind each and every TV; one where HDMI gets half-adapted as the "one true solution" for each component, before 3 new incompatible versions of the cord come out.

    I see a world of MS Media Center. A world where it takes a day or two to set up your TV. A world which requires firmware updates to DVRs, firmware updates to DVD players, firmware updates to BluRay / HD-DVD players, HDCP updates to TVs -- without which none of the above components will work. Dare I even say that the first non-computer electronics virus will come within the next 2 years?

    I see a world of TV remotes with full-sized keyboards so you can buy Pay-Per-View movies directly from the internet, and view them the next day when they download. I see a world where the bootup time for your setup is measured in minutes, not seconds.

    Perhaps, some day in the future, after work we will go home to watch some TV to relax. Then we will all go outside in order to relax from watching TV.

  42. There is a reason. by mlush · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup

  43. The answer is incredibly simple, except.... by 3seas · · Score: 1

    ....who can understand it that has been dumbed down?

    And that is the answer. Industry dumbing down of the users!

  44. Another reason: by calebt3 · · Score: 1

    Consumers do not like how much a computer costs when they can get simple-to-use equipment for what they think is less money.

    Good Computer: $1000 If you don't look on Ebay

    Phone: $150 max at staples.com
    Typewriter (yes, you can still buy those): $110 (and it still doesn't compare with a computer-based word processor)
    17" LCD TV w/DVD player that computer probably has standard: $340 at amazon.com
    PS3: $600 (without getting more games)
    The ability to keep it all safe from those without a password: Priceless
    Total: $1200

    1. Re:Another reason: by calebt3 · · Score: 1

      Ok, so if the TV dies, you don't need to replace the Phone too.

  45. Housekeepers don't need PCs by christoofar · · Score: 1

    Come on... like Manuel Labor needs to use a PC all day. There's tons of people working all sorts of jobs that require no interaction with a computer what--so--ever!

    Consuela doesn't need to get on the internet to turn the bedsheets at the Holiday Inn.

  46. Take TV and go VOD for a prime example by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    TV is everywhere. Everyone has one. Well, almost. You know what I mean.

    Because, as it's been said numerous times now, it's easy. Push a button, there's Jerry. Push another one, here's Jonny. And if you wait long enough, there's your porn. It's easy, it's comfortable and it doesn't take an IQ above room temperature to operate one. Not even in Minnesota with a broken heating.

    VOD requires a bit more "work". You have to select the program, you have to figure out what buttons to press in what order to get your movie and most of all, you have to watch out not to push the wrong ones or you pay for a movie you didn't want to see. Still doesn't take the brain power of a genius, but you would actually at least have to read the manual once.

    Now look at how popular VOD is. I can't talk about most countries, but VOD is dead here.

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  47. Many people simply don't what to be bothered by curlynoodle · · Score: 1

    I have heard many middle aged and older people simply say "I don't know the first thing about computers, what do I really need it for anyway." My aunt and uncle are a good example. My uncle purchased a Compaq several years ago for his kids. It sits almost untouched even by my cousins. They simply have no interest.

    Another example, I recently ran into my old boss from years back when I was in high school. I asked if he had an email address. His response: "No, computers piss me off. It takes too much time and money." He continued by explaining that his system got a virus, and rather than pay to have it fixed ( or attempt a DYI repair ) he returned the system to the store.

    I suppose another factor is the preceived "challenge" in using new technology. Many people don't take personal risks, even trivial ones, if they believe they will fail. Back to my aunt. She is always out-and-about and it was almost impossible to reach here on her landline. Just last year I decided to get her a Virgin Mobile PrePay for her birthday, because she simply was never motivated to get a mobile on her own. However, now I think she appreciates having the "toy".

    DK

  48. Survey does bear out the Conclusions by giafly · · Score: 1
    At least one third of the alleged refuseniks do use modern gadgets, for example the 15% of the total described as follows. So

    "Light but Satisfied" [users of whom] "The vast majority has call phones but their phones are not feature-rich."
    So basically this report is not talking about the use of modern gadgets, but the ownership of expensive fashion-accessories.
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  49. Reasons why by Spazmania · · Score: 1

    What keeps the most important and powerful communication tool since the telephone from being universally embraced?

    1. Cost is a red herring. Telephones and televisions cost a lot too until the technology became ubiquitous... And today's $500 PCs aren't especially more expensive than the $300 TVs.

    2. Complexity is a red herring. With early TVs you danced with the antenna and tweaked the tuner to get a decent signal. Computers are a little more diffcult, but only a little.

    3. Intrusion. The rise of telemarketing happened long after telephones were ubiquitous and early TV advertising was usually a quick pitch by the same live show host who was entertaining you. If you're not already online, Viagra spam is an excellent reason to stay away. Not that you understand you'll get Viagra spam... But you do understand that "porn" will be pushed at you whether you like it or not.

    4. Insecurity. If you don't get the whole updates thing before you go online, your Winblows machine is quickly annexed in to a botnet. You may not expect that in particular, but you get that you'll be pwned.

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  50. The Microsoft Effect by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "question: What keeps the most important and powerful communication tool since the telephone from being universally embraced?"
    Maybe it's because, at the end of the day, both computer hardware and software are generally troublesome pieces of shit.

    Or to say it more concisely: Microsoft

    Gates and co have worked their darndest to make bad engineering acceptable. Because their shoddy workmanship is so visible, this effect has spilled over into areas outside of MS specific domain.

    Like it or not, MS has bludgeoned the masses into perceiving MS == computers. Like it or not, MS is known for shoddy products. Combine the two and you get computer viruses and not MS Windows ® viruses, e-mail viruses and not MS Outlook ® viruses, database worms and not MS SQL Server ® worms, security holes and not MS Internet Explorer security holes, and so on. Then there are all the intentional screw ups with forced technological obsolescence through undocumented, ever-changing data formats, digital restrictions, compatibility problems stemming from the Embrace-Extend-Extinguish strategy, and lastly fatigue from constant media bombardment as part of the Saturate-Diffuse-Confuse strategy.

    Shoot. Even spam is now caused by Microsoft nowadays. Now that open relays are only a memory from decades past, spam is the result of compromised MS machines. It's to the point where these bot nets are bought, traded and fought over. Get rid of MS, you get rid of spam. However, going back to MS == computers, most people wrongly perceive that spam is an inherent part of computing.

    • MS == computers
    • MS == shoddy products
    • Therefore, computers == shoddy products

    from there ...

    • electronics == computers
    • Therefore, electronics == computers == shoddy products

    The Microsoft Effect is sort of a variation of sour grapes. People got burned and don't want to admit they got ripped off or bought a lemon. Rather than check out quality options, it's simply easier and more comfortable to throw good money after bad and convince themselves that all other products suck as badly.

    Thus you get the public perception that all electronic devices are crap. The problem is compounded by manufacturers cutting back on quality and service.

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    1. Re:The Microsoft Effect by habbi · · Score: 1

      Excuse me dude, but it seems you are confining your analysis to the US territory.
      No doubt MS is no perfect at all, but you should compare the technology embracement variables with another countries, I mean, another cultures.

      We are all using your shoddy MS stuff, worldwide, it just happens that another people, with another average level of culture, may arrange themselves to adapt and adopt technology, widely, better and faster. And that's the point of TFA. It says only half the americans embrace techology.

    2. Re:The Microsoft Effect by westlake · · Score: 1
      Like it or not, MS has bludgeoned the masses into perceiving MS == computers.

      No one had to be "bludgeoned" into buying the PC clone that was designed and priced for the mass market. That fit well into both the home and office. Apple's tightly held bundle of hardware and software gave it a secure niche market - which has shown little growth or change in thirty years. Linux arrived late to the party and - as your post suggests - is still identified with the Geek with a grievance, a chip on his shoulder. Something to be avoided.

  51. It's stupidity, stupid by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1, Flamebait
    It's the stupidity, stupid.

    When a sizeable portion of people believe the earth is 6000 years old (if not flat),

    when a sizeable portion of people go to church every sunday,

    when a sizeable portion of people think that condoms are evil,

    when a sizeable portion of people think that atheists are the tool of satan,

    when a sizeable portion of people think that guns reduce crime,

    it means that the general level of stupidity is too high to have everyone to be able to use a computer, because computers are logic.

  52. Universally embraced... by Mystery00 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Quick, someone call the US embassy and let them know there's a world out here! Mystery

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  53. Even more Blindingly obvious by Noexit · · Score: 1

    Cable TV. Even the poorest of people will shell out close to $100 a month for cable or dish tv. You're right, no point at all to this post.

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  54. Mod OP up! by awfar · · Score: 1

    Many of the boomers (and I'm near age) have lived their life without such things. I think it speaks to a larger fact of life; technology isn't necessary (yet) to sustain civilization, just nice to have.

    Many successful people today have had little anything to do with information systems or a computer, at least in the sense of interactivity attributes. I am not a luddite, but in fact, there is no *need* for most of these technologies, just nice to have available. Just consider how others got work done in the past 30-40 years; the grand projects.

    That said, the future is a different animal and baudilis is spot on; only when there is a sea-change will things move forward, and very fast.

    As a last note; once it does speed up, what will it look like? There is a limit to how much we want to communicate. I think. I already live in rural america and have too much communication, now, and no cell phone. I ordered my motorcycle parts online, they'll show up in a few days, I sent an email and my kids IM. I can't and won't tolerate much more than that. Maybe that revolution will have to wait until the just-post boomers like me push through as well?

  55. You've never worked at ANY of my recent clients... by crovira · · Score: 1

    There the TVs were hanging from ceiling brackets and turned on 24/7

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  56. I would reply if ..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would reply to this retarded USA bashing crap if I had a computer or some other form of technology like a pen and paper but since I live in the US where we are back in the stone ages I cant reply. Maybe I will move to Africa where there is more technology.

  57. Too much advancement by airship · · Score: 1

    Civilization should have stopped once we invented Laz-y-Boys, cigars, beer, football, and TV.

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  58. Perhaps ... by Cragen · · Score: 1
    We should ask the people who don't watch TV either.

    Seriously, even as a software developer, (and an old fart) I am getting tired of looking at that monitor. Maybe we should figure out a way to get rid of the Monitor!

  59. Simplicity. by bogidu · · Score: 1

    A television requires the user to understand (3) THREE controls. 1. off/on. 2. Volume. 3. Channel.

    The average pc appears to be a much more complex device and possibly requires the user to A) Learn something, and B) Apply that learning.

    So, on that note, what is the simplest, most user friendly, easiest to use OS out there that could garner general public acceptance? Something very BOB-like?

    1. Re:Simplicity. by PPH · · Score: 1

      So, on that note, what is the simplest, most user friendly, easiest to use OS out there that could garner general public acceptance?

      OS X.

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  60. Incredible!-Roots and leaves. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WebTV dude. Or for something better, media PCs. Right now I'm waiting for "the hub" that links everything including PDAs and cellphones.

  61. Remember the internet appliance? by qweqwe321 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The simple solution is to provide an slightly more functional version of the internet appliance that Just Works (tm). Something like a Wii with a keyboard and AbiWord would be perfect-- an interface that is idiot-proof, comes out secure by default, uses a remote for navigation, and all you have to do is plug it into your TV and its Ethernet port. Most people already have a television set and free RCA jacks-- there's no need to buy a whole separate set of peripherals to watch YouTube and type emails to Aunt Mary.

  62. Re:Mental Block and Bad Software and Bad Directrio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You make excellent points. I especially like your first one in that people don't like things that confirm their faults. It's the reason why, to this day, I can't stand physics. I was never great at it, so I'd get bad grades. That gave me an excuse to say, "I'm not good at physics, I'll just accept C's, but I don't like physics so once I'm done with the forced class requirements, I'm never taking it again."

    I did find your spelling mistake funny, though. ;-)

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    Rye or Whole Wheat?

  63. gadget proliferation and the american juggernaut by dualkarnain · · Score: 1

    Several things come to mind while reading this. First, the retiree-age of the U.S. baby boomer population might skew the proliferation of technology usage a bit. That being said, my boomer folks have IPODs and use the Internet at home (and work) regularly. Secondly, the U.S. porn industry has historically been the innovators. People past autoerotic-gratification age may be less likely to engage... personal handheld technologies. See the first point. Third, private/corporate U.S. business has embraced and optimized technology to explicit levels. However, it is mostly geared towards short-term quarterly earnings -focus rather than sustainable cultural changes. The size of the country makes it more difficult, than say Norway or Finland. However, the integration of public and private technology--- and the usability of these systems- surpasses the American personal technology posture. I agree with the slashdotter who stated that the quality of life is not dependent on the proliferation of time spent using gadgets. I believe the converse could be true. Information-overload contributes to shuttered attention span which ultimately degrades a consistent, long-term focus on real quality of life measures. I define these as diverse personal experience (physical/emotional/mental), quality interaction with family/friends/society and an extropian self-progression. Having stated this, I offend my own beliefs hourly. Constant usage of electronics, computers, the Internet (at work and at home--- and working at home, often). This gives me pause for thought and a vision of improvements needed.

  64. Re:Mental Block and Bad Software and Bad Directrio by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Rye. It taists better with mustard.

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  65. Obvious answer by NatteringNabob · · Score: 2, Funny

    [What keeps the most important and powerful communication tool since the telephone from being universally embraced?] Windows.

    1. Re:Obvious answer by Benosaurus · · Score: 1

      I disagree.... your typical linux flavor isn't 100% functional with everything right out of the box either. Good luck getting anyone to support it... or finding a friend that knows it. For the tech unsavvy, I think Windows is fairly easy. It's not my first choice, but for my grandparents.... its much easier (and cheaper - thanks grandpa) than many other choices out there

  66. I Don't Know about that by br4nd0nh3at · · Score: 1

    Ever since computers came my family has had one, sure it hasn't been the cream of the crop, we aren't made out of money. However recently almost every person in my family has a computer and two of them laptops. If you wanna contact someone from school or a family member, other than the telephone everyone in school or home uses the computer. Electronic filing etc. I could go on.

  67. Overcoming The Microsoft Effect by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 1

    Yes, bludgeoned. Bludgeoned from two directions. One from the constant flow of press releases dressed up as reviews, the shills and sock puppets hitting the web, and astroturfing that goes on. I can't think of the last year I saw a decent software review of any kind in a commercial publication. Two from the exclusive arrangements with OEMs. These were done originally with illegal conditions in the contracts with OEMs, later replaced by legally different but functionally equivalent "advertising partnership"

    Linux? Don't start with the trolling. There is no mention of linux, solaris, bsd, netware, os/2, os x, plan 9, unix, dr-dos, pc-dos or cpm/m anywhere in my post. However, since you did bring up Apple's 30+ year history, it might be interesting to note that the Microsoft Effect is being overcome to a certain extent as evidenced by a doubling of surfers using Mac OS X in the last eight months.

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  68. Even More Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Computer usage patterns correlate with people's ability to type. If you can't type then computers are as useful as a telephone if you can't speak. You can get something out of it but it's REALLY HARD TO USE.

  69. Its ... by PPH · · Score: 2, Funny

    What keeps the most important and powerful communication tool since the telephone from being universally embraced?

    Patch Tuesday.

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  70. The Answer is Simple by detokaal · · Score: 0

    "What keeps the most important and powerful communication tool since the telephone from being universally embraced?" Because *Important and *Powerful and *Tool are in pen of the writer. Most Americans have little use for any communication tool when they still enjoy talking face to face with the people next door or go to church a couple of times each week to share time with their friends and family. Who needs to be on call 24/7 or have instant access to news when the most important issue of the week is deciding whose house we're going to be at for Mother's Day? We can figure that out with a couple of telephone calls over a few days time.

  71. Re:Connecting your devices to all the tubes by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 1

    It takes ages and it's a PITA.
    br Benjcurry was going to say Windows, but you beat him to it.

  72. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  73. One Generation to Mainstream by Nightwraith · · Score: 1

    This is the ticket.

    I remember a previous slashdot article (my search skills seem to be lacking) where ANOTHER study was done for adoption of ALL consumer technologies (electricity, telephone, automobile, television, computer, etc..) that showed that REGARDLESS of the specific technology, it took about 20 years to be adopted by the majority of the US public.

    That's about one generation worth of consumers.

    The cellular phone may have been slighty anomolous, as in my mind that's simply an extension of a POTS line that can now go where you go. No vastly different functionality.

  74. Simple answer others have already mentioned by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1

    "What keeps the most important and powerful communication tool since the telephone from being universally embraced?"

    Simple.

    Your TV works.

    Your computer doesn't.

    Why?

    There's no software in your TV. That's why.

    Fix the software industry or fergeddaboutit.

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  75. But does your future toaster runs Linux ?.... by DrYak · · Score: 1

    No, I'm not kidding, sadly. I predict that in 10 years' time, you'll be rebooting your toaster.


    I, for one, welcome our future Windows CE-running, Zombie Botnet-ed, Future Toaster overlords. ...it just gives a whole new meaning to "POP-UP ads spyware".
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  76. Please define "Better"... by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Our first systems, getting a computer to work with your new printer involved typing in ESCAPE code sequences into a config file in WordStar. Things change, and usually for the better. That's the only thing that is guaranteed.


    I don't know what qualifies as "better" for you.
    At least, you could find the list of escape sequence in the manual that came with your printer.

    Today, getting Windows to work *and stay stable* almost requires voodoo magic. And sacrificing virgins... (hmmm, original site seems down. here's a way-back machine)
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  77. Hey, racist fuck... by absurdist · · Score: 1

    ...speaking as a middle class white male, I can only hope that in the name of all that's good and decent, and for the benefit of the entire world, that you'll go impale yourself on a spike immediately.

  78. Too much proprietary crap! by argoff · · Score: 1

    IMHO, the number one thing that keeps technologies from being widely adopted is copyright and patent. They outright punish people who make things that are compatable and play nice with every one elses products. They also make it so that only the patent holder can dictate how a panteted product in question is used, meaning that anyone else who wants to come up with a similar product must get permission or engineer around it.

  79. On Windows by AP31R0N · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It's cute seeing all the windows bashing here. However, 90% of the computers of the world are running windows, so windows CAN'T be the problem. Windows has done more to make computer use prevalent than anything else. People like to complain about windows being bloated and unstable. But to say that they have to ignore that Windows has to work with hundreds of hardware vendors and thousands of software vendors. Linux and Mac have far fewer compatibility issues, not because they are superior in design, but because there are so few things to install into them or connect to them. If a company wanted to make video games for Linux, how much could they possibly make? Making hardware for Macs is almost as futile. You can sell to 9 users or to 1. There are some situations where a monopoly can be good for the consumer. Mass production lowers price. More potential customers = more enticement to produce things. i am not a windows fanboy, i am however a fanboy of being objective. Windows has its flaws, but most of those flaws are overcome by allow the user a huge array of software and hardware. Linux, while i love the idea of it, is still not ready for prime time. Anyway, back to the subject.

    We also have segments of the population that have no reason at all to have a computer. Just because we /.ers are so entwined with our machines, doesn't mean that everyone else wants to be or should be. Anyone over the age of 60 has only a few uses for a computer. The main use being keeping in touch with their grandkids who won't call them anymore. As people age their brains learn more slowly, new things require learning. We tried to get grandma to use email and she was terrified of the machine. Then there are people who live in the sticks. Dial up is painful to use, and getting worse since web developers are largely incompetent and are making sites more complex and larger. Our culture revere athletes above teachers and scientists and artist (not to be confused with performers). It shouldn't be a surprise. i think that the next generation of kids will see to it that everyone has a computer and broadband.

    We also have a populous that hates to pay taxes. We hate being told what to do or how things should be done. In cultures like Japan, the leaders can say, "Right, we're going to IP6", and it's done. If that means raising taxes or making citizens/companies change their ways, so be it. We however comma are all cowboys alone on the range. i'm not saying either is right or wrong, just describing what i see. There are good and bad things each model. Our future might depend on adoption of technology. We face obsolescence if we don't adapt.

    i think we are slow to adopt IT because the US has a strong anti-intellectual streak. We hate anyone smarter/more educated than us. Computers are for smart people, smart people think they are soooo superior to us. Again, the next generation might not think that way. My lil brother, ten years younger than i, had a PC in the house since he was 7. i had one in the home since i was (does the math) 17. Now kids are coming back from the hospital never knowing a life without a computer in the home.

    Build a console that does email and chat, like WebTV. Build machines that can do only ONE thing at a time. Want to do word processing? Slap in the Word cartridge. Let's play WoW, slap in the WoW cartridge. That's what most Americans want from a computer. Anything more complex than that should be for geeks only. Whoever builds this machine will be a brazillianaire.

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  80. Computers by boriken48 · · Score: 1

    I think one part is the complete unfriendliness of the machine is not like a TV set you have to deal with Anti virus, Spy ware, Registry cleaners, complicated file system, Spam just to name a few things. Then on the other hand the complete failure of the education system producing functional illiterates, I still have coworker that save theirs documents all over the desktop because they do not know how to create a folder and organize theirs documents