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Compound From Olive-Pomace Oil Inhibits HIV Spread
Researchers in Madrid are claiming that they have discovered that a type of wax found in olive skin can help to slow the spread of HIV. "Their work shows that maslinic acid - a natural product extracted from dry olive-pomace oil in oil mills - inhibits serin-protease, an enzyme used by HIV to release itself from the infected cell into the extracellular environment and, consequently, to spread the infection into the whole body. These scientists from Granada determined that the use of olive-pomace oil can produce an 80% slowing down in AIDS spreading in the body."
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..and works as a lubricant too? :-)
my, thats handy.
I went to Spain once. Hooked up with a Spanish hooker. BAMN! AIDS!
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And Popeye thought that his strength always came from spinach. No wonder Bluto was always kidnapping her.
I'm skeptical. The source article, by stating "these scientists from Granada determined that the use of olive-pomace oil can produce an 80% slowing down in AIDS spreading in the body," conflates HIV with AIDs. You can slow down the spread a virus, such as the human immunodeficiency virus, in the body. You cannot slow down the spread of a syndrome, theorized not as caused directly by HIV, but by opportunistic infections as a result of HIV infection, in the body; only said opportunistic infections.
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Is the substance taken orally or applied topically?
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Enhances the taste of bread. mmm
The pastor of your church is a moron, and I can only assume, by extension, that you are a moron too. As to why AIDS gets lots of funding, well, perhaps it has something to do with an incredible crisis in Africa that I'm thinking neither you or your braindead religious leader care much about (or possibly even know of).
Sometimes I wish there was a cure of retarded religious flunkies. They're one of the true threats to health and harmony.
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Tell your preacher he is wrong. Gays can reproduce pretty easily via artificial insemination.
I suspect it's more likely that individuals with a slower-than-typical HIV growth after infection from the virus are the same individuals that really, really like olive-pomace oil.
Occams razor and all that.
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Yikes, there are so many problems with this arguments I don't know where to begin. But, whether you're trolling or not, it's a commonly stated one, so I'll answer it (at least in part).
Regardless of how you define "moral behavior," many cases of AIDS are spread through "moral behavior." People get it from their spouse, when neither of them knew the spouse had it. The spouse might have gotten it from a previous partner, or a blood transfusion problem (fortunately rather rare now). What about the child who contracts it from their mother?
Whether sex outside of marriage is moral or not is a matter of personal interpretation. Certainly much of society views it as normal. Many people have a single monogamous relationship at a time, but more than one through their lifetime. Is that so immoral that we should condemn them to die because of it?
There is no evidence of "recruitment" by homosexuals. Rather, there is a mounting body of evidence that people become homosexual, bisexual, or heterosexual as a result of factors beyond their control -- both genetic and environmental. This, combined with ample of evidence of homosexuality in the animal kingdom, would seem to imply that homosexuality is quite natural -- and that therefore the classification of it as immoral is a rather odd invention of mankind.
As to why AIDS gets so much funding -- it's a horrible disease, with a near-100% fatality rate. It infects a staggering number of people. It is currently busy depopulating much of sub-Saharan Africa (where, by the way, the primary mechanism of spreading is between married partners and from mother to child). Diseases that are epidemic in scale, have exceedingly high fatality rates, and which we don't know how to cure should scare anyone. Hopefully all this research will be helpful if another such disease appears.
Ah, misleading headlines! This one makes it sound less like a clinical study and more like one of those "miracle cure" articles you see in tabloids, promoting some ordinary food like garlic or olive oil as anything from a diet aid (lose weight eating nothing but garlic!) to a cure for cancer.
I (obviously) have no use for this.
I'm always skeptical of these third world countries scientific claims of some miracle cure usinging some natrual substance. i recently went to a seminar given by a recruiter for one of the larger universities in the Caribbean. I was flabergasted to hear them making claims of there findings as far as avocado curing aids and other such BS. The fact is though ambitious i'm sure they lack the level of technical abilities and testing proceedure to make a truly scientific claim. Flame me if you want but this is something that I see happen over and over again. In my eyes this is no different than than me testing HIV cultures in show polish containers using coconut oil in unsanitary surroundings.
Olive pomace is the left-over skins and fruit pulp for the first pressings of the olives. Secondary treatment of the pomace with steam and solvents extracts the residual oil and also extracts this seemingly beneficial oil/wax.
Ironically, the cheaper grades of olive oil probably have more of this oil.
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Please, let's not feed the trolls. I don't believe that OP is truly serious. I think he's trying to start a flame war.
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The HIV virus is a very interesting virus. Of all the common viruses, it is one of most deadly and the hardest to cure. It kills millions of people every year. Which other virus is doing that? Please tell me. This is why it is interesting for study. Most of other infectious diseases people are dying of can be cured with antibiotics, but people never get them.
.. you should know that curing AIDS will save many heterosexual and monogamous women's lives in Africa (you and your preacher should be interested in that right?). These are innocent women who's husbands cheated on them with prostitutes. Also importantly, treating AIDS will enable children in Africa to grow up with mothers and/or fathers.
When the next viral pandemic hits, we want to make sure we know all about how to quickly and effectively deal with it.
Cancer and heart disease do get more funding than AIDS (as they should). Although it's pretty sad that I have to mention this
PS> Why don't you stop hating? The venom is eating away your rational thoughts.
I have been HIV positive for 3 years, although I don't have full-blown AIDS yet. Many mazing developments and new treatments have been found in the past few years, and I have faith that some day, we will be able to find a cure. But for now, there is a much more effective method for preventing HIV infection. You can nearly eliminate the risk by abstaining from sex outside of a trusting marriage between two people who have practiced celibacy. If that's not an option for you, at least avoid high-risk sex and make use of STD testing (keep in mind that someone may be HIV+ for several months before tests start showing it.) Avoiding intravenous drug use and low-quality tattoo or piercing parlors can further reduce the chances of catching this horrid disease.
I noticed that eastern Mediterranean countries that produce a lot of olives have a lower incidence of adult HIV. Not to imply that there is causation, and I know that other factors are at work, but I still found it interesting.
Although the amount required to fund the research in to this disease is not of an issue to the infected. They tend to spend it trying to buy their way in to some version of heaven.
She uses it to fry things, which is a big "WTF?" if you know anything about olive oil. The whole point of extra virgin olive oil is that it's a lighter more flavorful oil, and it's usually substantially more expensive. Use it in a salad dressing or as a condiment, drink it straight out of the bottle like the Greeks do, but don't fry in it, jesus! It doesn't even have a very high smoke point, compared to refined olive oil.
It's like frying something in sesame oil, or flaxseed oil, or any other oil that you can think of that is used primarily for how it tastes, rather than as an efficient conductor of heat.
Of course, in the U.S., EVOO is defined by acidity, so you're not buying real EVOO at the stores, just regular refined oil with a low acid level.
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So how come the home of Olive oil, Italy, has one of the highest infection rates in Europe? http://www.overpopulation.com/faq/hiv-aids/hiv-aid s-infection-rate-by-country-europe-and-the-new-ind ependent-states/
You're correct. But I think the parent was referring to the truckers in Africa who solicit whores on their trips. Unfortunately, there is still sooo much misinformation on AIDS that quite a few folks have some misguided opinions about it. And to be honest, with all of the FUD out there, I'm not so sure I know anything more then the parent. SO, mod me down to as an ignoramus. And then again, it's un-PC to criticize Africans and their culture. I'll leave that to you to research and for me to take the karma hit - I'd much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much rather take a karma kit than have us Westerners live in ignorance - myself included!
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But it probably causes cancer.
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It's because we like immoral behavior; if it only affected religious zealots, we'd add it to the water supply.
I just love how so many so-called Christians can be so happy to watch other people die. Whole buncha stone throwing fake christians in the world today.
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate all religious people. Just the holier-than-thou hypocrites who talk about god while imposing their narrow-minded world view on everyone else.
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Saying "HIV virus" is like saying "ATM machine". :D
Huh? I (stir) fry with sesame seed oil all the time - BECAUSE of the taste.
All arguments and bigotry aside, if your pastor was correct then AIDs wouldn't be the problem it is today.
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Looking at this map of AIDs infection per African country in 2001, you can see that some countries are closing in on having 40% of their population infected.
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Now, these figures are hard to estimate, but this site provides some figures on the number of people whom have experimented with same-sex partners http://www.avert.org/hsexu1.htm. Lets take 10% as a figure, for example - that's still a quarter of the number required to make your Pastor's comments anything but pure BS.
Just look at the stats: this disease is killing a huge number of people, the people who are among the poorest and least educated in the world. There are literally millions of kids who are born HIV infected. These kids right now have little chance of even reproducing. What life they do have is plagued by sickness.
As a Christian you should be the first to empathize and want to do something to help these people. You should be he first people cheering news articles such as this one. Unless of course the Trollish race got the philosophies of Hitler and JC muddled up..
Olive oil's low smoke point could be dangerous when frying. I know a guy who cleaned a cast iron pan with olive oil and then heated it to about 500 fahrenheit. Luckily he didn't burn down his kitchen, but he's still cleaning the smoke marks off the wall.
I'm curious. What is your definition of extra virgin olive oil?
Sesame oil at least has a high smoke point. Does Rachel actually fry stuff in extra virgin olive oil? That's just plain stupid. The high heat of frying ruins the taste and creates nasty, harmful compounds. I mean, regular olive oil is a bad choice for frying, let alone EVOO.
And in case anyone doesn't know, EVOO traditionally means the first oil to run off from the first pressing. Virgin olive oil is the rest of the first pressing, and other olive oils come from the second and subsequent pressings. EVOO has a better taste, but only raw. If you want to fry, the best oil is peanut oil.
Okay, I just read her wiki page. Anthony Bourdain called her a bobblehead. That's all I need to know.
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Not just his, but outside the US, everyone's: the first run off from the first pressing of a batch of olives. It contains the purest oil and the least amount of olive solids. The olive solids create acidity, but that is by no means the proper measure of virgin or extra virgin status.
What did you think it meant?
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
What's an extra virgin? the /. regulars should know, right? hey-o!
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As mentioned in a subsequent reply, Extra Virgin Olive Oil refers to the very first Oil taken from the first pressing of olives, and traditionally has nothing to do with the oil's acidity.
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In the states (and I presume canada) oils go through processing to remove impurities, kill bacteria, etc... and so whats labelled on a store shelf as extra virgin olive oil, really isn't, in the traditional sense. This is also why most north american olive oils are shipped in clear plastic containers, instead of opaque glass bottles. Traditional EVOO is light sensitive, and should be stored in opaque glass or metal cans to preserve the best flavour.
But yes, frying in EVOO is ridiculous. I use Peanut oil to fry in, and to season my Cast Iron pans (the best non-stick pan you'll ever know).
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I'm a homosexual and I've been HIV+ for 11 years now. Lucky for me, I'm one of the small percentage of people with whom the virus seems to have a difficult time spreading. As such, in those 11 years I have yet to take any medication.
Now with that out of the way, I must stress that as a homosexual I am completely and utterly uninterested in converting ANYONE to my lifestyle. Nor have I ever in my 13 years of being 'out' even tried to 'convert' anyone. I would think that you would find this true of most any homosexual that you'd care to talk to.
With that said, I have yet to collect a toaster oven.
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Scandinavia has the lowest rate in the world, Iceland beating everyone save North Dakota, which is populated nearly exclusively by Viking stock. Across Europe, there is a very strong correlation between latitude and HIV infection rates that roughly follows the increasing tendency toward pickling of both sustenance and self.
If anything, it ain't the oil, it's the vinegar.
"If I eat olive oil, I won't get AIDS."
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I, for one, welcome our olive-skinned, AIDS-free, hottie overlords!!!
I've got to hand it to Slashdot. The "tagging beta" seems to be getting more and more "beta" all the time.
Hey, the feeling is mutual.
Yep, everyone before me is right. The only thing I want to add is that there is actually a group that decides what oil actually fits in what categories: the International Olive Oil Council. All IOOC member nations (the US isn't one) have to abide by their standards in labeling olive oils. By their standards, there can be no refined oil in either EVOO or just plain VOO.
Just one more example of the FDA's obsession with pasteurization and processing. What a country...Can't get unpasteurized cheese because it might hurt you, but they don't have to label GM foods or hormone pumped cow products.
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Well, if you eat olive oil instead of having sex or using somebody else's needles, yes, there's a pretty high chance you won't...
My 0.02 cents
There were lots of promising anti-HIV and anti-virals that were promising in the petri dish, but failed in clinical application. Hope this one is a clinical success.
500 degrees seems awfully high for many oils.
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Olive oil can be perfectly safe for frying:
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Ma
Pomace oil, particularly, is commonly used for frying in parts of the world.
By definition by Italian Legal Standards:
Olive Oil = Mixture of refined oils including olive oil - Treatment might include decolouring - deodoring - precipitating acids - adding colours
Extra Virgin Olive Oil = 100% olive oil whith only partial treatment - Infact only filtering is allowed
But I like more greek standars by which every olive oil is "extra virgin" like the italian PLUS they have to state the acidity on the bottle.
You might wonder why acidity is important. Here is a brief explaination: When a mature olive falls it starts decomposing. In the process the fats become acid. Thus olives with a low acidity are those well preserved and processed just at the right time. Oils with hight acidity are usually made from poor grade olives fallen on the ground and then collected with nets or veils to save on manpower.
That's all
Of course, in the U.S., EVOO is defined by acidity, so you're not buying real EVOO at the stores, just regular refined oil with a low acid level.
If someone in the U.S. is buying Hi-Vee brand olive oil, they deserve what they get.
There are plenty of stores that sell European olive oil in the U.S., where the label not only says "Extra-virgin" but also says "from the finest first-press olives only" or somesuch.
It doesn't hurt to be nice.
I have a friend who works in the olive oil industry in Turkey. His definition of "extra virgin" was "low in acidity". Although his description of EVOO production is the same as yours (the first batch of oil extracted).
Lots of people get sick or die from food poisoning. Nobody to my knowledge has died from GM foods, irradiated foods, or growth hormone. There are no scientific studies that show negative effects from the first two.
I find the occasionally excessive enthusiasm for pasteurization annoying, but it isn't like there is no reason for it.
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Does this mean the AIDS Cocktail will now come with an olive in it?
Shaken, not stirred?
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Sesame oil is actually even worse for deep frying than olive oil.
I think you must be thinking of peanut oil.
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Perhaps you haven't heard the doubts of circumcision (which should never be done to non-adults) as a means of preventing AIDS. The short version is that those studies were flawed. Also, if you do get AIDS, you become much more likely to transmit it to your partner. Also, if circumcision prevented AIDS, why does the US, by far and away the most circumcised country in the western world, have more AIDS than anybody else?
Reading the wiki page, low acidity is a criteria. First pressing is also, but the one we both missed is: no chemical treatment or refinement of the oil.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
A jar of gypsy tears will always protect you from AIDS.
When AIDS was first "discovered" (actually, when it came to the notice of the public), it was seen as something that happened to two groups: Gays and Haitians. Since this was the early 80's, being gay was not considered acceptable, so the joke went something like this:
Q: "What's the worst part of getting AIDS?"
A: "Convincing your parents that you're Haitian"
Well, it seemed funny at the time, anyway.
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Oh. Yeah, sure, saute in olive oil. For those who are unsure of the difference, sauteing happens at a slightly lower temperature than deep frying, and the foods are only half covered by the oil. It is also important in sauteing that the food is not crowded in the pan, sauter means 'to jump' in French, and the food should have room to jump about in the pan. If it is too tightly packed, you are in effect simmering or steaming instead.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
One reason why there is so much funding devoted to HIV/AIDS research is that the economic costs of the disease are so high. Then if you consider the social costs of a large proportion of the population being orphaned, the cost of research is paltry by comparison.
I have to point out as well the contradiction in the phrase "homosexuals are indoctrinating your children and making them choose their lifestyle" - you can't make someone choose something, although you can make particular choices more likely by controlling the information they have access to.
Finally, it's mainly in the 'developed' 'Christian' countries that HIV/AIDS is a disease mainly affecting gays and IV users. In Africa and SE Asia the disease is predominantly affecting heterosexuals, mainly due to use of prostitutes and a culture that does not strictly adhere to the concepts of chastity and monogamy. That is the 'moral' basis for the disaster befalling Africa, Asia and the Pacific.
but you certainly can buy real EVOO at the stores. There is plenty of excellent EVOO available in the states.
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Some interesting points for you to consider:
-Homosexuality is genetic although it is not necessarily a simple genetic inheritance.
-You know all those homophobic people you likely know? Well statistically most of them are closet homosexuals. Your pastor is probably one as well actually. Many of them have kids, right? Well guess whose genes those kids got.
-I assume your religion advocates having many children? I mean from a logical point of view contraceptives are murder if one assumes that all abortion is murder. In that case your religion is helping to spread homosexuality as one documented cause of homosexuality is directly related to how many children a woman has (each male child has a higher chance of being gay than the previous one).
In other words your religious beliefs that force closet homosexuality and the having of children directly help increase the prevalence of homosexuality.
Try grapeseed oil - can get it at your local asian market, has a very high smoke point, it's quite healthy, and imparts very little flavor - but just enough to taste in something very mild like tofu - and it tastes good!
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The World Health Organization would like a word with your pastor outside.
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How the hell are we supposed to run a decent site when stories get tags such as the ones for this story? Slashdot becomes digg more and more each day with this childish nonsense.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Seriously... doesn't slashdot have any mechanisms to ban users who are consistantly racist/anti-homosexual and generally offensive on here? I realise that every one of this guy's posts have been modded down to -1 and therefore rarely get seen but this kind of offensive behaviour should not be tolerated. Thats my 2 cents anyway.
His mistake wasn't using olive oil. His mistake was using extra virgin olive oil.
Wouldn't just taking the warning labels off everything solve this problem?
Monolaurin is an extract from coconut milk that is used to kill herpes virus strains including Epstein-Barr.
The thing that bugs me about all of this is that most MDs don't seem to know about these things. MDs want to put you on toxic antivirals from pharm companies, when you can take something just as effective and nontoxic to humans like monolaurin.
If you're interested, see the Medicinal properties of the wikipedia article. "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut_milk"
Of course it slows down HIV. It's been known for a long time that high temperatures slow down the virus. But what's the point of frying people in olive oil?! Humans are also pretty incompatible with high temperatures!
From a biological perspective, this article doesn't seem to make sense whatsoever (maybe something is lost in translation?). My understanding is that there is a single protease encoded by the HIV genome which is essential for viral production...and that it is an ASPARTYL protease ("aspartyl" being a term used to classify a particular class of proteases). "Serin-protease" makes no sense, it's not a specific name of any enzyme--it's like saying "enzyme that binds glucose". If these are inhibitors of the the HIV protease I'm thinking of (the one actually called "HIV protease), there's nothing new about this--HIV protease inhibitors were among the first drugs used to treat the disease and have been around for close to 20 years now.... The only thing that makes sense to me is if they're suggesting this is a common natural substance that inviduals can take to prevent HIV infection. Even if this is true, it's IDIOTIC--having millions of people take a protease inhibitor as a prophylactic regimen is the most surefire way of generating HIV virus RESISTANT to the drug.
None of the news blurbs about this research mention any sort of publication associated with these findings (for example: "published in this week's issue of Science", etc.). Also, a quick search in pubmed for garcia-granados shows limited publications in specialist journals, nothing nearly as flashy as this olive-oil HIV thing. My guess is they haven't published yet, or even had their paper reviewed yet. Most respectable journals embargo press releases until the issue of the journal comes out in which the findings are reported. This could certainly be interesting, but for now I would take it with a grain of salt, especially the part about "the use of olive-pomace oil can produce an 80 per cent slowing down in AIDS spreading in the body." WHAT body?? There's no way this treatment is in human clinical trials. This statement is pure baloney. Judging from their publication record, the Garcia-Granados lab is purely an organic chemistry/biochemistry lab. I seriously doubt they have any data with mammalian models.
everyone has the right of opinion and to express it. that's democracy, so live with it. if you want to live in a censored society, move to china. not that i support any homophobic, racist, whatever comment. but you just can't remove the rights of a person just because society/morality doesn't share his opinion.
I fry/saute with extra virgin olive oil - "First Cold Press", the glass bottle claims. It's imported, I live in the United States of America. It's delicious!
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No! You can't possibly! If it's in the US it must be inferior to anything European! Go read your Slashdot handbook immediately.
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I understand the problems with censorship but banning racism does not have anything to do with not being democratic.... Indeed it is a fundamental human right to have freedom of expression but another of our rights is not to be discrimated against because of the colour of our skin... racism is against the law in most countries.... all I'm asking is why isn't it 'against the law' on slashdot?
Actually, if you want to live in a censored society, just browse /. at a level above 0. All the asshats like the GP will suddenly vanish miraculously.
The point is, by allowing the inferior crap on your shelves, you drive up the price of decent stuff. In europe, we pay about as much for decent olive oil or chocolate or coffee as you pay for processed muck (well, not recently, if you consider exchange rates, BUT, as a proportion of our take-home pay, if we spend as much, we get much better food and drink. Because, well, we have standards. It's like dating.)
You forgot to add the reason: Because we Americans are all like Jethro Bodine and don't appreciate the difference anyway.
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Ah, hell, all it takes is a woman of any sexual orientation (let's assume lesbian), a gay man, a hard-core muscle magazine, and a turkey baster... how hard can it be?
So what are you saying, that babies shouldn't be circumcised? What do you expect, that men will choose it for themselves? They would probably just not bother.
I entertain Europeans regularly, and most are thrilled to get a decent steak, stating that European beef is just bland and plain (I agree). And these are business owners and rather affluent people who would eat in the finer places. I guess all our harmones and antibiotics make our beef tastier. Our pork and poultry also kicks their asses, likely for the same reasons: Ours are healthier with the extra drugs they ban there.
They also like California wines (similar in quality to French). They do, however, hate our French Fries. I have to admit, they make better fries. And chocolate.
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I don't know about deep frying (peanut oil all the way there), but sesame oil is awesome for pan-frying and stir-frying.
Dude, I'm Christian too, but seriously -- comments like this are entirely counter-productive. Let me dissect your, and I use the term loosely, "logic" point by point:
...and most of them aren't caught by immoral behavior.
1) Quote: Why does AIDS get such a huge amount of funding?
Perhaps because it is a truly horrible disease that brings a boatload of suffering to millions of people around the world?
2) Quote: Other diseases kill far more people every year...
True. Do you think no one is working on them?
3) Quote:
Is AIDS/HIV only caught by immoral behavior? Back in the late '80s, there was a huge story on the news about a kid in Florida (IIRC) who caught AIDS from a blood transfusion (this was before screening blood for HIV was as common as it is now). In what type of immoral behavior did this kid engage? How about EMT's, paramedics, doctors, nurses or other good Samaritans who contract AIDS while attempting to render assistance to someone else who has AIDS? If you are a paramedic or E.R. nurse, can you tell for certain which of your patients is "moral" before supplying medical care? Or would you just prefer to let everyone care for themselves?
4) Quote: The pastor at my church says it's the gays promoting their choices as normal behind all this.
The problem with conspiracy theories is that it requires everyone involved in the conspiracy to carry the secret to the grave. Most people can't keep a secret. Ergo, conspiracies of the magnitude you are describing tend to be very, very rare.
5) Quote: The homosexuals are indoctrinating your children and making them choose their lifestyle. They can't reproduce so they have no choice BUT to recruit. They are forcing the government to back their behavior with laws... Laws against God and Jesus.
Like I said above, I am a Christian, too. I disagree with the homosexual lifestyle for the same reasons that you don't agree with it. But I'm also the first person to say, yeah, I've made mistakes in my life, too. I'm no more or less perfect than the very people you want to turn your back to, and neither are you. You say God gave laws prohibiting homosexuality. He also gave laws prohibiting adultery. Do you remember the story in the New Testament where the Pharisees wanted to stone the woman "caught in the act of adultery"? Do you remember Jesus' answer? "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."
Now let's take this one step further. What do you think is a Christian's purpose on earth? Somehow I doubt it's to work hard five days a week, sit in a pew on Sunday morning, buy a big house and a nice car and watch the world turn. I suspect it has a little more to do with telling others that they can be freed from the screwed up lives we tend to live when left to our own devices. If that's the case, then do you think someone is going to listen to you if you start out by telling them that, because of their own immorality, funding to cure the disease that is slowly taking their life away should be canceled? How callous is that? On the contrary, I think a true Christian -- someone who really lives the life modeled by Jesus -- would instead be rushing to the sides of the AIDS victims in an attempt to reach them with the gospel before the end of their lives. If researchers can develop a drug to buy you more time to reach such a person, a Christian should be all over that.
The pastor at my church says you should hate the sin, but never the sinner. That , in my humble opinion, is pretty good logic.
MCSE? No, sir...I don't do Windows. Yes, I am an idealist. What's your point?
I, OTOH have never seen anybody get sick/die from food poisoning because he ate non-pasteurized Cheese.
Microbiological checks at the production facility, proper storage at home and the "Best before" date should be enough and if you eat anything (way) past the BB date it's your own fault if you get an aching tummy.
Would you really call that pretty easily? When you consider th level of technology and whatnot - I would imagine it's kind of complicated.
I can't speak for any other countries, but I don't believe that racism by itself is illegal in the US. This is primarily due to the fact that thoughts aren't illegal, yet. The KKK itself isn't illegal, but when they start lynchings, THAT is illegal.
There's a fine line between sharing an unpopular opinion and hate speech, sometimes those two things are one and the same, but not always. It's a difficult thing to regulate and police as it all comes down to a matter of perception. Personally, I just saw the OP as some dumb kid who's being brainwashed by his church, and/or a dumb kid that enjoys getting a rise out of people here by posting inflammatory comments.
Actually, it's interesting to see the different comments that have sprung up from that one. Incredibly insightful statements about moral relativism, and then of course, the trolls.
Although the statement could have been phrased better, it wasn't overly offensive to the point where it needs to be removed, or the user (in this case an Anonymous Coward) needs to be banned. Let's not jump the gun here with passing "laws" for slashdot.
It is currently busy depopulating much of sub-Saharan Africa
You might be interested in this article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/arti
How AIDS in Africa Was Overstated
Reliance on Data From Urban Prenatal Clinics Skewed Early Projections
By Craig Timberg
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, April 6, 2006; Page A01
KIGALI, Rwanda -- Researchers said nearly two decades ago that this tiny country was part of an AIDS Belt stretching across the midsection of Africa, a place so infected with a new, incurable disease that, in the hardest-hit places, one in three working-age adults were already doomed to die of it.
But AIDS deaths on the predicted scale never arrived here, government health officials say. A new national study illustrates why: The rate of HIV infection among Rwandans ages 15 to 49 is 3 percent, according to the study, enough to qualify as a major health problem but not nearly the national catastrophe once predicted.
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Which is why I always wear two condoms Trebek. I'll take "Anal bum cover" for $500.
Do you mind if ask whether or not you experienced Acute Retroviral Syndrome after your initial infection (to your knowledge, anyway)?
In light of your body's natural resistance, I'm curious to know if HIV came charging in, replicating like crazy, before got knocked back to where it is now, or simply made a small foothold and went on from there.
Is the 10' the length of the penis or the height of the man? These are deciding factors!
... and the singular form of criteria is criterion. Who knew?!
This sig only exists because you are observing it.
Let your 'friend' know that animal fats work best for cast iron. Most vegetable oils tend to get gummy. A good hunk of lard does wonders
It's ironic because most people, including some of the early posters, associate high-quality, high-price, extra virgin olive oil as being "more healthful" than the cheap stuff. I'd wager than more than few victims of HIV/AIDs are buying extra virgin oil on the news of the experimental result in hopes of stemming the progress of their illness.
It's ironic if oil extracted with chemical solvents is actually more beneficial than the pure, traditional, cold pressed oil.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
Thanks, I'll let "him" know.
If you ban him, he'll just create a new account.
All his posts are quickly modded down, and you can add him as a foe since he's not banned and therefore creating new accounts (and give foes a -5 modifier).
They are way over enthusiastic...Slow pasteurization or no pasteurization for certain things is acceptable as long as it's clearly labeled...Not everything needs to be nuked to fricking death. People die from undercooked meat as well, but if I'm going to have a fillet, I'm not going to cook it brown just to save myself a tiny bit of risk. What the hell is the point?
Likewise, I'd rather be able to make an informed choice about the origins of my food...GM vegetables aren't a big concern of mine, other than the fact that I fricking hate Monsanto and their ilk over the goddamn self-terminating seed issue, and would like to be able to avoid their products. However, hormone treated animal meat/milk bothers me, and I'd really like to be able to avoid that by some method other than raising my own cows.
ad logicam Claiming a proposition is false because it was presented as the conclusion of a fallacious argument.
I hope you all don't believe someone who actual goes to church wrote that, right?
"Thanks for all the money you paid to us. We've used it to buy off ISO among other things" -Microsoft
As for pasteurisation, people should surely have the choice whether they want to be able to eat cheese made from pasteurised milk or not.
"It isn't like there is no reason for it".
Perhaps there are good reasons to pasteurise, but you ever tried cheese made from raw milk? These cheeses taste better and when it comes down to it, if I wanna take a risk, surely it is up to me to decide.
If the pattern goes 9am, 10am, 11am, why isn't noon 12am?
It is not sane to trust a flimsy latex membrane to save you from horrible diseases that can kill you.
It is not moral or ethical to suggest that somebody trust their life to a condom.
Sure, it may work most of the time, but "most" is nowhere near good enough. You can accept "most" when the consequence is something like losing $1000, losing your job, a broken arm, a dead pet, etc. It's not good enough for human death.
What makes the suggestion really evil is that most people don't understand probability, let alone any serious statistics. Suppose you do everything right, and get 99% protection -- a generous estimate indeed. Suppose you have sex once a week, year after year. Do you know how to calculate the chance of infection after a decade of that behavior? I do. You have a 99.46% chance of getting the disease!!!
Let me repeat: 99.46%
That's a death sentence.
Guys there believe that sex with a virgin will suck the HIV out of their bodies. Very young girls, even babies, are frequently raped for this reason.
Jesus said "Let not the sodomites live without fear for they shall be smite in the Kingdom of God"
and "The man who lay with other men shall not live in the house of my Father"
God said "If a man takes another as he would take a woman, he shall be put to death"
and "A man which copulates with man is a blasphemer and will be smote"
Only through Jesus will you love your fellow man in the way as was meant. Loving a man outside of the Kingdom of God is unholy and wicked.
PRAISE JESUS!
In Italy, we use EVOO for frying because it isn't as expensive as it is in other countries. Plus, it doesn't degrade at high temperatures as other kinds of oils do, so it's healthier. I bet in Spain and in Greece they do the same.
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Ouch. Citing naturalism as a basis for any ethical argument is really just asking for trouble. Ethics are a property of human societies, and you can find practically endless numbers of examples from the rest of nature that support either socially acceptable or condemnable behaviour. Take your pick of incest, theft, murder and cannibalism, for starters.
Homosexuality may have been a matter of moral consensus, but nowadays it's more of a social issue, pitting individual freedom against the peace of mind of some subcultural groups. Given how much time people spend saying that the former is a fundamental basis of our civilization and society, I think it's kind of sad to see these debates even going on.
Yes, it is a nasty disease, a friend of mines 25 year old son was recently diagnosed with it. And a very gifted pianist I know has had it for several years. I have a lot of sympathy and compassion for anyone with this terrible disease. But that said, there are two simple rules...
1. Don't share needles if you are a drug user.
2. Sexual contact - use a condom.
If everybody followed these simple, common sense rules, there would be no HIV/AID epidemic.
Actually, I agree with you. Naturalism as a basis for ethics is severely flawed. Ethics ought to take a logical approach, based on goals and principles. It does, however, have some basis when it comes to morals -- rules handed down from authority as opposed to derived from first principles. If your argument is "homosexuality is immoral because God said so" then the fact that animals engage in the behavior is relevant -- after all, God created them that way, they didn't have free will to choose it. The argument works within the "God as definer of morals" framework, even though I have plenty of problems with the framework as a whole.
Iatrogenic CJD is caused by natural hGH harvested from cadavers, not rhGH made in a lab.
I'm pretty sure they don't use cadaver hGH anymore.
It's not exactly "each male child has a higher chance of being gay than the previous one".
It's consecutive male children. Granted, a woman with only 2 kids can't have 3 males in a row, but there isn't much difference between 7 kids and 12 kids.
Either way, this suggests that homosexuality is NOT genetic. Since the research used adoption cases to rule out the family situation, the womb environment is suspected, particularly the mother's immune system. In other words, it's a birth defect. (there is no rule that says birth defects must be visible physical deformities -- they can be behavioral abnormalities too)
No wonder its called Canola oil these days.
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The fundamental human right to have and express an opinion is rather endangered these days.
Europe lost it a long time ago. Merely expressing the opinion that the Holocoust didn't happen will put you in jail in many European countries. France is not a free country. Germany is not a free country. I think Austria and Belgium are on that list too, among others.
In the USA, you can still express irrational hatred, but this causes you to be unfairly punished for minor crimes. For example, suppose you hate black people and let everybody know it. Suppose you are also a common crook or mildly violent. Suppose you beat somebody up. If you beat up a white person, it's a minor offense. If you happen to beat up a black person, it's a major felony -- even if you just did it to get his wallet or because he insulted your girlfriend.
There are some studies about neem oil against HIV, working by slowing down the production of viral proteins. Don't expect any of these to be certified in the US anytime soon.. the process involves expensive and expensive testing, and since these natural cures are not patentable, no pharma company is going to submit it for certification. Unless they can isolate the active ingredient, of course.
Blend then drink it all down.
It won't cure AIDS but it will tell you what your asshole is for.
Cold Press - First Cold Press, baby. Everything else on the label is just spin.
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They will soon learn that olive oil is only part of the solution.
Research will prove that a cocktail of olive oil, oatmeal, flax oil, and fish oil poured over the circumcised genitals will be the key.
Ugh, enough with the absurd AIDS article of the week. It is as if science, logic, and statistics no longer apply when you discuss AIDS. It has been over 20 years since the discovery of the HIV virus and there is no sign of a cure for AIDS. Why? Because Berkeley professor Peter Duesberg has already determined that HIV is not the cause of AIDS.
Pretty sure the "extra virgin" is what helps you stop the AIDS....
It's probably nonsense, as many posters have already pointed out, but that won't stop it being used as "evidence" for more nonsense like some important South Africans' beliefs about how to stop AIDS http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,36 04,1477400,00.html .
You have to pass all these obstacles:
- Have an infected partner
- Have a broken condom
- Actually contract AIDS from the exposure
Now in most cases, if you knowingly have encounter the first obstacle and proceed with sex, protected or not, you are knowingly engaging in a heavy risk. Multiple partners of course increases the risk of being unknowingly exposed, so knowing your partner is a bit thing, but adding protection to a known partner does greatly reduce risks.
99% protection is still pretty damn good if you've got a reliable partner and are practicing good sexual practices/hygiene, although I would personally advocate against promiscuity I have nothing against sex itself. One would hope that having sex weekly for several years, you would have a partner who had been screened against HIV and safe. I'd like to know where you got the 99% number, care to cite your sources and factors?
I'm not going to cook it brown just to save myself a tiny bit of risk.
For steaks, the most likely location of contamination is the outside. So a surface browning is sufficient.
If you've ever disassembled an animal, you know why (it's a messy operation). With ground meats, the surface contamination is mixed through the whole body of the meat.
For that reason, I'd rather buy ground meats frozen.
- High Tech workers, please say NO to Union Carpenters, their Union sees fit to control our compensation.
...olive pomade on the body *is* one way to prevent the spread of AIDS.
are you aware that Isaac Asimov died from HIV from a blood transfusion? would you call that "immoral behavior"?
The pastor at my church says it's the gays promoting their choices as normal behind all this. Two Sundays ago he said (and I quote as I remember it well) "The homosexuals are indoctrinating your children and making them choose their lifestyle. They can't reproduce so they have no choice BUT to recruit. They are forcing the government to back their behavior with laws... Laws against God and Jesus."
Yes, government says that beating the shit out of gays "just for fun" is wrong, and that's the proof that gays use the gov't to promote homosexuality.
Maybe your pastor should spend less time regurgitating that scary-sounding-but-bullshit story, and more time preaching about the (very well documented) evils of members of the clergy abusing young boys. But I suppose that would hit too close to home...
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Because we all know that french people are dying by DROVE due to their cheese eating habbit. Can you see that, every years millions of them die. Oh mon dieux, c'est un terrible massacre.
Or alternatively the rare case of listerose *may* come from a badly made cheese, just like the rare case of salmonelose is from bad hygien/bad cold chain, and I even hear in some country where they pasteurize everything they can't avoid the odd epidemic of bad spinach.
hi Ironix, My friend is also HIV+ but he has AIDS for some years now. I want to help him, but i am confused by this /. post.
In your eyes, do you find this post helpful?
If yes - what should he buy/drink in order to slow down HIV?
It is a little different than what you have stated. The media and govt is putting pressure on the people to accept homosexuality as normal, and if you happen to disagree with this view you are labeled a homophobic bigot. While I do not personally agree with homosexuality I must tolerate it, but I will not accept it as normal. TOLERANCE ACCEPTANCE ( see Southpark Mr. Garrison makes this point for me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_Camp_of_Tol erance )
Oh sure - but let us not forget if "sauter means 'to jump' in French," sauté means "jumped".
How many beans make five, anyhow ?
When you fry food a certain percentage of moisture that is present in the food must evaporate out of the food before the oil can penetrate it. Each oil has a different percentage of moisture that must evaporate first before penetrating. Of the different oils olive oil has one of the highest percentages of moisture that first has to evaporate. This means that the food stays in the oil for longer without the oil penetrating the food and leads to the food feeling less oily after cooking. It's also a healthier type of oil to use than most other oils due to the fat type.
You would definitely want to fry with a filtered olive oil to make sure that the little bits of olive won't scorch and it wouldn't make sense to pick the most delicate tasting oil as much of the taste would be lost during the heating and frying process. But, filtered EVOO is very good for a home kitchen for frying because the antioxidants that are present in it will help keep the oil from degrading. Olive oil is NOT an appropriate choice for frying in a restaurant because it doesn't handle being heated up over and over again and kept at hot temperatures for long periods of time.
Also, EVOO is defined by acidity the world over, among other factors such as taste and having no processing other than filtering. From the IOOC website: Virgin olive oils are the oils obtained from the fruit of the olive tree solely by mechanical or other physical means under conditions, particularly thermal conditions, that do not lead to alterations in the oil, and which have not undergone any treatment other than washing, decantation, centrifugation and filtration.
Virgin olive oils fit for consumption as they are include:
Extra virgin olive oil: virgin olive oil which has a free acidity, expressed as oleic acid, of not more than 0.8 grams per 100 grams, and the other characteristics of which correspond to those fixed for this category in this standard If by so you're not buying real EVOO at the stores you mean the normal brands in the clear glass containers on the supermarket shelves, you're right. You can tell that by looking at the label, but unfortunately most Americans aren't educated on what to look for.
Keith
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L'arte dell' Olivo fresh olive oil
The 'extra virgin' classification doesn't mean very much now, if it ever did. It essentially means it comes from the first pressing of the olives. But with modern machinery, the first pressing can extract a large amount of oil. In some countries most olive oil produced counts as extra virgin, with lower grades made in smaller quantities. So it's not exactly a waste to use it for frying - it often isn't much more expensive than lower-grade olive oil.
You are right that chemically it may not be well suited for frying. Perhaps lard is best after all.
-- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
If you got that "1 in 50" figure from about.com, then AFAICT it simply referred to the risk in any given unprotected sexual encounter with a random person. In other words, it already took the percentage of infected people into account; so you're counting it twice.
Still, that's the figures without condom use. And also, I note that about.com gave the risk of unprotected receptive anal sex as between 1 in 50 and 1 in 1300 (a much lower figure). (I would assume that the 1 in 50 figure is a "worst case" guess, and that it applies mainly to ultra-promiscuous gay men in drug-using, multiple-partners/clubbing type situations).
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Not to throw oil on any fires that should probably die out, but I have several gay friends, and have had two of them try to "convert" me. Basically they try to convince me that there is no such thing as homosexual or heterosexual, as they are just artificial boundaries drawn by those who are afraid to open themselves up to new experiences. After being very clear that I am oriented only towards those of the opposite sex, both of these men told me that they would have given me a blowjob otherwise. Mind you I am a very open person, and they probably wouldn't have been this open to anyone who might have gotten upset about such topics of conversation.
LS
There is a fine line between being a cultivated citizen and being someone else's crop. - A. J. Patrick Liszkie
Maybe you haven't considered the question fully?
After I fully and honestly considered the possibility that I might be gay, I realized that I'm one of the straightest men who ever lived. As an added bonus, I've now free of homophobia for the 4 years.
BTW, given what the gay people I know, it sounds like your friends might be bisexual and hedonists. Because I've spent the last decade in an academic settings, most of the gay people I know are actually kind-of prudish -- like most of my friends. They're also mostly educated professionals -- which is also typical of all of my friends, regardless of their orientation. It's odd that I don't really know anyone who wantonly sleeps around -- but maybe myself and my friends are all a bit prudish about that kind of thing. Or maybe we just don't hear about it.
One other observation -- I started dating a girl a few months ago, and I'm likely to marry this girl for lots of great reasons. One of the weird things about this relationship, though, is that it's now quite difficult to care at all about anyone else's sex-life at all, since mine is great. My guess is that the people who get worked up about sex just aren't getting very much. Just a thought for the next time I see some jackass on a street-corner, talking bad about my friends.
Imagine the great wealth of medicines and knowledge we could extract from plants, not even know yet, from the vast rainforests and jungles around the world. Oh wait, we're cutting those down for cheap wood, grain and soja. Too bad...
Yeah, I agree that the HIV protease is an aspartyl protease (uses two residues of aspartate to chop up proteins) and not a serine one (uses one residue of serine to do the same) but this new compound, as I understand the article, is in fact a SERINE proteases inhibitor that happens to slow down the spread of HIV (and other organisms) - which also isn't entirely new.
"Sometimes I think Christians get all hung up on the sex thing because it's easier to worry about sex than to ask yourself, Am I a good person? If as long as you don't have sex with a lot of people you're a good person, that's easy. It's easy to avoid that. It's easy to think, I'm not f***ing anyone, so I'm good. It makes it easy to be cruel, because as long as you're not f***ing around, nothing you do can be that bad. Is that really all you think of God? Is he just the sex police for you... Or is it that sex is easy to worry about, easy to avoid, and the whole love-your-neighbor-as-you-love-yourself thing that's hard?"
--Laurell K. Hamilton, The Harlequin
Even if god were real, and it was the kind of god you're speaking of, I'd find it and punch it in the face for being a douche-bag. If power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, what would god power do? We must kill it.
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You guys are wasting WAY too much time cooking! Why can't you do something more constructive with your life, like joining a WoW guild or becoming an online porn addict?!?!
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Ugh. Me use words good.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
I do tend to cook ground beef a bit more, though I have to admit, I love the rare hamburger...Sometimes I buy higher end meat, just so I can eat a rare burger with low risk.
It's all about acceptable risks. There is a little risk in all of it, but if you're intelligent about it, you can still eat stuff that tastes good without too much worry.
ad logicam Claiming a proposition is false because it was presented as the conclusion of a fallacious argument.
atrogenic CJD is caused by natural hGH harvested from cadavers, not rhGH made in a lab. I'm pretty sure they don't use cadaver hGH anymore.
So you're saying this soylent cola isn't good for me? Guess I'd best switch to Slurm...
John Maynard Keynes: "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do?"
Wasn't there something in the bible like "your sins shall be visited onto your offspring unto the seventh generation"? I'd say that's definite proof that it's gods punishment for being... uh... alive or something?
In Soviet Russia, government controls corporations.
In Capitalist America, corporations control government.
I was going to discuss any similarities with the movie, (ie good luck with that), but I doubt anyone will read past the retard postings, so never mind.
Well, if your pastor said it, it must be true!
Really? Please tell us what Jesus had to say on the topic of homosexuality. He talked a lot about it, right?
And what's with this "forcing" business? Exactly what laws are being passed that are forcing you to do anything at all? Please be specific. You do understand that even if gay marriage becomes the law of the land in every state and at the federal level it will still be voluntary, right? Even in Massachusetts I'm not aware of gangs of gays rounding up innocent straight people and forcing them to get gay-married at gunpoint.
Canola Oil
* Bold emphasis from wikipedia article
* Uppercase emphasis is mine (the bold being difficult to see through the blockquote formatting)
"When ideology and theology couple, their offspring are not always bad but they are always blind." -- Bill Moyers
I've seen that quote before, and I really like it. I may at times be a poor reflection of Christ, but I'm working on it :)
MCSE? No, sir...I don't do Windows. Yes, I am an idealist. What's your point?
For rare or medium hamburgers, buy your meat, sear it, and grind it yourself. A food processor can work if you do not have a grinder.