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US Government To Release Electronic Passport

XueCast writes "The federal government has announced that they will release new electronic Passport cards in either April or May 2008. The cards could be read wirelessly from up to 20 feet away, which could reduce the waiting time at border checkpoints. Deputy Assistant Secretary Of State For Passport Services, Ann Barrett said, "As people are approaching a port of inspection, they can show the card to the reader, and by the time they get to the inspector, all the information will have been verified and they can be waved on through.""

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  1. Awesome by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can't wait for this.. I can finally hack my way past border security, like in 24.

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    1. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Funny. You're the seventh Jack Bauer through here today. Oh well, the computer says you're OK, so go on in."

    2. Re:Awesome by aminorex · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What's really cool is that now terrorists can rig bombs that only kill people carrying American passports.

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    3. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's really obvious is anyone who is in the way can be killed, regardless of the trigger.

    4. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am wrapping mine in foil! Oh wait, that will get me arrested at the metal detector!

      Oh well, I am still looking forward to all the hacks people will be doing just for the "news" shows :-)

    5. Re:Awesome by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Informative
      What's really cool is that now terrorists can rig bombs that only kill people carrying American passports.

      It's not just about Americans.

      Australians have had to use RFID-embedded passports for the past couple of years to comply with US regulations. Can't say it's sped up my travels at all.

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    6. Re:Awesome by glittalogik · · Score: 1, Funny

      Just make sure they don't see you going to the toilet, they already know that nothing escapes Jack Bauer.

    7. Re:Awesome by kurt555gs · · Score: 1, Funny

      <quote> Oh well, the computer says you're OK, so go on in </quote>

      Or, in the alternative one could hack the card to say:

      " All your base are belong to us "

      leaving the border guard with a quizzical look on his face.

      Cheers

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    8. Re:Awesome by pcgabe · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're Korben Dallas?

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    9. Re:Awesome by mr_musan · · Score: 1

      this is wonderful news, now the rest of us won't get killed for the enemies American foreign policy has produced. ...I wonder if i can get one more my local jazz bar ?

    10. Re:Awesome by Burning+Plastic · · Score: 1

      Negative - I am a meat popsicle...

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    11. Re:Awesome by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1, Informative
      It says so right on the page you've linked.

      You mean where it says;

      The ePassport will meet new US requirements to be introduced on 26 October 2006. Or where it says

      As of October 26, 2006, any passport issued on or after this date by a Visa Waiver Program (VWP) country must be an e-Passport for VWP travelers to be eligible to enter the United States without a visa. on the DHS website?
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    12. Re:Awesome by jimicus · · Score: 0, Redundant
      Complete BS. The requirements to remain in the US Visa Waiver programme are a Machine Readable Zone and a digital photograph, both of which have been standard in Australian Passports for over a decade. It says so right on the page you've linked.

      Did you read the article properly?

      The ePassport will meet new US requirements to be introduced on 26 October 2006. Amd from the Waiver Programme page:

      Depending on when VWP travelers' passports were issued, other passport requirements will apply:

              * Machine-readable passport (MRP) issued before 26 October 2005 - no further requirements
              * MRP issued between 26 October 2005 and 25 October 2006 - digitized photograph on data page or integrated chip with information from the data page
              * MRP issued on or after 26 October 2006 - integrated chip with information from the data page (note: Australian passports issued in Australia from 2006 onwards comply with this requirement)
    13. Re:Awesome by GumphMaster · · Score: 1

      Until last week I had the same experience. However, on my return from NZ I was able to pass through the immigration line without human involvement. After placing the chipped passport in a scanner and answering some trivial questions I presented my visage to an automated camera (presumably connected to some face recognition system). When it finished the gate opened. I then had to wait ten minutes for my non-chipped passport friends to come through the queues :D

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    14. Re:Awesome by arivanov · · Score: 0, Troll

      That is not interesting. There are cheaper ways of doing it.

      Now rigging in a bomb that will kill only a specific passport holder +/- collateral damage is a temptation that many people out there will find hard to resist.

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    15. Re:Awesome by The+Spoonman · · Score: 1

      "And, your friend, Korben Dallas, has been cleared as well."

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    16. Re:Awesome by Builder · · Score: 1

      One minor point - I think that the yanks only demanded machine readable passports. This meant being able to be read by a swipe enabled machine. RFID was NOT required but your government and mine jumped on the opportunity to add this anyway.

      I guess that technically you could use it to target just American's. There's bound to be something in the data that identifies the country of issue. So you could have special bombs for Yanks, Poms, Aussies or the Irish :)

      Kidnapping is a far more interesting worry to me, having spent a lot of time traveling in Africa. The LAST thing I wanted to do was be identified as being British because there is an impression out there that this would mean I am worth more as a hostage. Fortunately I have dual citizenship, so I could leave my RFID enabled Brit passport safely at home and travel on my other passport.

    17. Re:Awesome by Builder · · Score: 1

      That integrated chip you refer to does NOT have to be wireless if I remember the actual spec sheet correctly.

    18. Re:Awesome by kkovach · · Score: 1

      I'm curious how all the presumably non-Americans talking about being safer because of this expect shrapnel from a bomb to somehow avoid you because you're not carrying some kind of American RFID passport? There some kind of new smart bomb I don't know about as well? Did I miss a previous article on that? ;-) That would actually be pretty damn cool.

      Note: I despise our current foreign policy, so please don't lump me in with morons that think we're doing good just because I asked a question that might lead you to believe I'm a fan of it.

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    19. Re:Awesome by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Or worse.... Hello there, Mr. Alliurbase R. Belongtuus. Nice to meet you.

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    20. Re:Awesome by Builder · · Score: 1

      Ouch - that sucks a little. Fortunately most places in the civilised world still allow this.

      I believe that Australia and South Africa used to forbid it or at least in the case of RSA, require special permission. Now it's pretty easy to have two though.

      Technically, I could have three, but I'm not sure I see the value in a Zimbabwean passport these days ;)

    21. Re:Awesome by mr_musan · · Score: 1

      I meant more we wouldn't get confused and taken hostage for something we are not involved in. I do realize that lots of your people hate the policies as well, but i am afraid that I can not just let you off the hoek, it's your country and you have the choice to if you wish to stay there and continue supporting the system (and benefiting from it). So if you wish to be blameless just leave?

  2. No air travel?! by s.bots · · Score: 5, Interesting

    $45 for an insecure card that can be read from 20 feet away and cannot be used for air travel? Thanks but no thanks, maybe when they have one permitted for air travel and with (at least) a method of enabling/disabling reading.

    1. Re:No air travel?! by neostorm · · Score: 1

      Well, it makes sense when you consider how many different countries you can get to from the US just by driving. ...Oh. Right.

    2. Re:No air travel?! by daveo0331 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It makes a lot more sense if you think of it in terms of total number of trips and not total number of countries. Many major U.S. cities are located along the border (San Diego, Detroit, and Buffalo to name a few). Also, ever been on a cruise? It takes 2-3 hours to get everyone off one of those big cruise ships because of the need to get 2000 people through customs at once. This sounds like it could speed that process up.

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    3. Re:No air travel?! by Kagura · · Score: 3, Funny

      Who cares about RFID, I just want my stamps that say where I've been. I don't want an electronic record that I can't look at. :)

    4. Re:No air travel?! by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It makes a lot more sense if you think of it in terms of total number of trips and not total number of countries. ...
      It takes 2-3 hours to get everyone off one of those big cruise ships because of the need to get 2000 people through customs at once. This sounds like it could speed that process up. About as helpful as a band-aid on a sucking chest wound.

      The root cause of the problem isn't the number of people, i'ts the lame-ass system in the first place. It's a lot like DRM. People who want to enter the country for nefarious purposes will always have a variety of methods of entry that completely bypass these systems. But thosewho wish to enter legally have to jump through all the hoops. Essentially it punishes the law-abiding citizens and ignores the law breakers. Sure, the system will occasionally catch someone with a felony conviction in their home country who didn't know that would disqualify them from entry. But chances are, those people weren't up to no good, they were just on a trip like any other regular joe and denying them entry doesn't improve the situation at all.
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    5. Re:No air travel?! by davester666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wouldn't it be almost as fast, and WAY more secure to just have passport 'reading' machines placed before the examiners, where you either swipe or place the passport in the device in some way. That gives the 'system' extra time retrieve any information for the passport examiner, but there is NEVER going to be this mythical 'wave-through'.

      There always has to be a delay for the immigration officer to a) verify that the physical person matches the person described by the passport and b) why they are coming and going and whether to extract money from them [duties or whatever].

      I don't know why governments have such a hard-on for passports and other identifiers [like drivers licenses] to be accessible wirelessly. Hell, they'll still probably swipe it to match the 'wireless data' with the physical card [because did the system read your passport, or the passport for the 20 people around you].

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    6. Re:No air travel?! by mikiN · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't know why governments have such a hard-on for passports and other identifiers [like drivers licenses] to be accessible wirelessly. My guess is there will be eleventy-two-and-a-half bazillion answers to your question scattered around the posts in this discussion, but let's put mine directly and neatly below it.

      Passports and drivers licenses are simply the most common IDs that people carry on their person when they move about. /me dons tinfoil hat
      Making these IDs scannable wirelessly allows Big Brother to track people carrying them remotely. That innocuous looking traffic light at the crossing, that lamp post on the street corner or that turnstile at the subway entrance could serve more than just the purpose which its shape and form may seem to convey. /me takes off tinfoil hat, wraps tinfoil hat around IDs, puts package into pocket
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    7. Re:No air travel?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is not only that it punishes law-abiding citizens, but also that it benefits lawbreakers -- it allows simple testing to see which nefarious entry schemes and forging systems work.

    8. Re:No air travel?! by Bender0x7D1 · · Score: 1

      I don't think customs is what keeps things slow - it was slowing people down so traffic at the pier isn't impossible.

      Customs for me, (after a Caribbean cruise), was walking by a drug dog without slowing down, grabbing "checked" luggage from a holding area, (they picked up luggage outside your room the night before), and handing a form to the customs agent. The agent didn't even look at the form - they just grabbed them as people walked by. Total time at "customs" was less than 5 seconds.

      Time to wait for the shuttle to the long-term parking - 5 minutes since we caught it just right - it took about 30 minutes for it to do a round trip for another group. Time to wait for a cab after another cruise was 30-40 minutes.

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    9. Re:No air travel?! by kabrakan · · Score: 5, Informative

      Customs isn't mainly for crime, its for economics. At least at the canadian border, i see people held back all the time because they brought too many goods over and the receiving side wants to tax their stuff. The next thing they're worrying about is foreign food that could introduce diseases.

      You're right that this is useless tech however. It takes about 4 seconds for a border officer to process your passport. The reason there are bottlenecks at ports of entry is because there tends to be a maximum of two border agents for every 50 people trying to cross.

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    10. Re:No air travel?! by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

      Customs for me, (after a Caribbean cruise), was walking by a drug dog without slowing down
      Ditto (well, close enough).

      6 months after 9/11, I ride shotgun with a friend into the US. Total border stop time: 30 seconds, and this includes looking in the trunk to see the lone canadian beer six-pack I was bringing to a friend.
      They didn't even look at my face, even though my father looks like Saddam Hussein and I'm a (very distant) relative of Oussama Bin-Laden.

      The same circus went on exactly the same way a year later, at the same border crossing, except that the immigration agent looked at me and asked, laughing, if we were related: his name tag had the same last name as myself...

    11. Re:No air travel?! by edb · · Score: 1

      [almost OT]

      It's not just air travel, nor cruise ships.

      On a business trip in Europe a while ago [1990, pre-EU], at last minute I had to take a slight side trip from Switzerland into Italy. The border crossing was kind of like crossing from the Boston airport into Boston -- just drive through. I was looking forward to having the Italy stamp in my passport, and expressed my disappointment to the local folks who were driving. They circled around so I could officially pass through Immigration and Customs, and get the stamp. It delayed us by 2 hours. I got the stamp in my passport to show I had been in Italy (for a few hours), but I don't think I'll do that again. [out-take to stamp collectors jumping through hoops to get First Day of Issue postmarks on First Day Covers]

      With an RFID passport, they [Italy, Switzerland, EU, of course the US superpower] would know my passport (not necessarily me) had crossed the border, but I would not have gathered the souvenir. [second out-take to stamp collectors lamenting the demise of real paper commemorative postage stamps and cancellations, replaced by uninteresting postage meters and computer-printed postage labels]

      Nostalgia ain't what it used to be...

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    12. Re:No air travel?! by Chief+Camel+Breeder · · Score: 1

      Does "cannot be used for air travel" really mean that you can't use it in airports? Or just that you still need extra ID for domestic flights?

    13. Re:No air travel?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It takes about 4 seconds for a border officer to process your passport. The reason there are bottlenecks at ports of entry is because there tends to be a maximum of two border agents for every 50 people trying to cross.

      Actually the reason there are bottlenecks is to allow immigration to look for people acting suspiciously. If you weren't forced to queue you wouldn't feel nearly as stressed when travelling on that fake passport.
    14. Re:No air travel?! by AGMW · · Score: 1
      ... or you could live in a free society where you don't have to carry any form of ID with you, like the UK. At least, at the moment you don't have to. If the current Gov. get their way though, we'll have to start carrying ID soon, but don't be surprised if they vote some amendment to mean MPs don't have to carry them - much like MPs still get a final salary pension, MPs don't have to show us their accounts (except in Scotland of course!)!

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    15. Re:No air travel?! by ladyeyes · · Score: 1
      Ok, everyone seems to be mixing two different things. This article is talking about the WHTI card. This is completely different than a full passport, and is being designed mainly to be used by people in cars driving across borders, hence the 20ft reading capability. It's supposed to help with long lines at some of the places where the wait can be a couple hours usually. There's a fact sheet available at: http://cbp.gov/linkhandler/cgov/newsroom/fact_sheets/travel/whti_state_factsheet.ctt/whti_state_factsheet.doc

      Yeah, it can be read for 20ft away. So spend $5 and buy a better cover/case for it so you don't have to worry about it.

      The U.S. passport rfid is supposedly designed so that the antenna won't broadcast when the cover is closed, and even when it does broadcast it's for a much smaller range. (as in inches)

      I'm not defending this and saying it's perfect. I'm simply saying people should figure out what they're griping about so I don't have to read pages of complaints about the wrong dang thing.

    16. Re:No air travel?! by DougWebb · · Score: 1

      Of course you don't have to carry ID around with you in the UK; they can identify you using the cameras and face/gait recognition software everywhere you go.

      I guess if you're going to live in a surveillance society, it's better to have the surveillance open and explicit than hidden away where you're not aware of it.

    17. Re:No air travel?! by mpe · · Score: 1

      It takes 2-3 hours to get everyone off one of those big cruise ships because of the need to get 2000 people through customs at once. This sounds like it could speed that process up.

      Or rather the advocates of the system claim that it would speed things up. Of course even if it did actually mean that one official could process more people per hour what's to say that the result wouldn't be to cut the number of people (hence entry points) thus making things no quicker, possibly even slower.

    18. Re:No air travel?! by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Actually the reason there are bottlenecks is to allow immigration to look for people acting suspiciously. It's not a bug, it's feature! Yeah, rrrrright.
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  3. Ummm. by Idiot+with+a+gun · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Every security measure I've seen for RFID involves some encryption, and a "Handshake" between the reader and card. In a packed situation like an airport, it would be really easy to have an electronic device sniff this handshake, and by pretending to be a reader, lift multiple passport ID's off of people while passing by. Sounds dangerous to me.

    1. Re:Ummm. by XanC · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are certainly ways to perform key exchanges and begin encrypted communication without being vulnerable to eavesdropping.

      My understanding (which may be wrong) of the main problem with these RFID devices is that there is in fact no handshaking or encryption, and that the device will happily spill its guts to anything that asks.

    2. Re:Ummm. by duerra · · Score: 1

      Here is a link to an explanation on how SSL works, who's theory can be applied to any kind of public key system, including (hopefully) RFID: http://www.interwebinc.com/security/ssl.html

    3. Re:Ummm. by The_Wilschon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Perhaps a larger (and maybe more real to Joe Sixpack) reason to be concerned is that you are even more easily pegged as an American, without any need to break the encryption or handshake (if there is one). Being identified as an American can make you a serious target in a lot of places for a lot of reasons, ranging from the terr'rists wanting to kill you to just some dude in an alley in Paris who wants to rob a rich guy instead of a poor guy. Americans tend to be rich.

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    4. Re:Ummm. by eli+pabst · · Score: 1

      Depends on the implementation. Public/Private key authentication works as long as you don't screw up how it's used (as in WEP). In most cases where a card-reader technology is found to be vulnerable to "sniffing", it's normally because data was unencrypted or weakly encrypted, like using a simple XOR. If it's done properly, there is no reason to assume it's any more insecure than an SSH tunnel.

    5. Re:Ummm. by networkBoy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      .70 Euro to the Dollar.
      We yanks aren't so rich any more...

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    6. Re:Ummm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Well, since the government would raise a lot of red flags if they just outright banned international travel, the next best option would be to make sure that nobody wants to leave the country.

    7. Re:Ummm. by Amouth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Americans who travel tend to be rich. fixed that for you

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    8. Re:Ummm. by graft · · Score: 1

      WEP doesn't use key exchange. It uses a n-bit key and a stream cipher (RC4). It is not a public key protocol.

    9. Re:Ummm. by Idiot+with+a+gun · · Score: 1

      The issue with this is, similar to any other encryption, especially one widely used, it will be broken. Since these will use some sort of radio frequency, grabbing information off them (once the encryption is broken), will become trivial. And updating the encryption on them will be slow, and costly.

    10. Re:Ummm. by mi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      .70 Euro to the Dollar.

      100+ Yen to the Dollar, yet the Japanese aren't considered particularly poor...

      We yanks aren't so rich any more...

      The ones, who are walking around in Paris, are still quite rich — by the standards of a lowlife robber, anyway.

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    11. Re:Ummm. by Propaganda13 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Why do you need a device with the range of 20ft? How about range of 2 inches and place the reader 20ft down the line?

    12. Re:Ummm. by Das+Modell · · Score: 1

      Uh, what? Norway, Sweden and Finland are wealthy countries.

    13. Re:Ummm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoosh...

      Thats the sound sarcasm makes when it rushes over your head.

    14. Re:Ummm. by Original+Replica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because the senator's buddies aren't interested in a mark up reselling barcode readers ($80), when they can markup RFID readers.($1700) Besides RFID is so much more tech heavy it's gotta be better. Better security theater that is. Joe Sixpack will be terribly impressed that there is a computer-thingy in his passport.

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    15. Re:Ummm. by mi · · Score: 3, Informative

      [...] there is in fact no handshaking or encryption, and that the device will happily spill its guts to anything that asks.

      There should not be much more "guts" to spill, than the passport number itself. This will not give an attacker much information at all — other than: "There exists a passport with this number," but in those few seconds, that it takes a person to walk up to the counter, their giant picture will already be on the officer's screen for verification...

      It would still be a hole, but a much smaller one than it may seem at the first suspicious glance. It will, hopefully, be further narrowed by making these passports respond to RFID-readers only when they are opened and, maybe, only when directed towards the reader — simply by making the passport's cover with some RF-blocking material.

      All of these measures will make your hypothetical eavesdropper rather impractical even without encryption.

      People have been using EZ-Pass and similar (oppressive) RFID-readers for many years now to go through highway robbery, ehm, tools... Yet there are no stories of EZ-Pass numbers picked-up by hidden crooks and plugged into fake EZ-Pass devices for resale... Maybe, someone is doing it, but it sounds more difficult, than crossing into the US through the Southern border.

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    16. Re:Ummm. by ILuvRamen · · Score: 1

      it's not as dangerous as you think cuz THIS JUST IN! Faraday wallet stocks went through the roof! But seriously once a couple people's get spoofed, nobody's going to buy them since apparently they're optional. Then 99% of people who use them are going to be drug runners, illegal immigrants, and terrorists so they're going to discontinue their distribution

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    17. Re:Ummm. by porpnorber · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What I really don't understand about the entire discussion is this: what the border guards actually look at is not what's written on your passport; it's what's stored in their database (from which, in the case of your own citizens, the passports were generated in the first place). So all that is needed is a serial number, right? You type your SSN into a keypad (or for that matter, swipe any one of your credit cards—nobody believes that the security establishment pays any attention to data protection laws, anyway), your photo pops up on the guy's screen, and if it's you, you're through. Everything else is either a holdover from the days before networks, or a diversion.

      So ... what's this really about? I ask this not as a tinfoil hat question, but because I'm truly mystified.

      I'll say it again. Now there's an Internet, you do not need to carry ID. The Man already has your file, and it's only because 'biometric' face recognition doesn't actually work yet that you carry any cards at all. There's no reason for cards to hold any data beyond a big number. There's no reason for them to be unique. There's no need for them to encode anything that can be used against you. There's no reason for any of this nonsense.

      The only motivation I can think of for these measures is so that they can charge you more application fees for the new ID. What on earth am I missing?

    18. Re:Ummm. by robi2106 · · Score: 1

      because simplicity is not what governments understand. Governments are the opposite of simple.

    19. Re:Ummm. by aminorex · · Score: 1

      > Americans tend to be rich.

      Not in Paris, they don't. They tend to be poor slobs. Now in Kampala, or Karachi, yeah... W00t! USA number 37!

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    20. Re:Ummm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe the idea is to get Americans to stay home. If you don't know what your neighbor has you won't miss not having it.

    21. Re:Ummm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, that's the whole point. It was a joke. Americans tend to be rich and Paris is taken as an example. Sounds like French are not 'rich'. So why not Norway, Sweden etc.

    22. Re:Ummm. by Terri416 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're pretty much right, but it depends upon which govt you ask, and when.

      Originally, the concept was that a bus load of people could simply drive across the border and their passports would be read from the roadside as they passed. Sounds simple enough, but there was no assessment of the security. No handshake, no encryption. These designs would have lead to worse things than datatheft; think roadside bombs programmed to kill anyone with a passport in the name of Jack Bauer. Assassination was never so easy.

      Because so many of the technical decisions were made then, and the politicians are too vain to flip-flop, we have a number of permanent problems and work-arounds.

      Firstly, there's the RFID. This is wireless and interceptable. The cards are powered by the interrogation signal, so there's nowhere near enough power for the card to carry out encryption, so there's no authentication of the interrogation signal so anyone can interrogate the card. Therefore no crypto handshake. There's also no change in the cyphertext from one interrogation to the next, so assassins can still trigger a bomb using the cyphertext without the need to decrypt anything.

      Another political decision was that the cards are to be contactless. No contacts. Really. You can't provide power or interrogate the cards by other means, so you can't do an end-run around the above problems.

      This also means there can be no cryptographic authentication of the card itself. Hello forgeries. These forgeries will have their limits since the data can be digitally pre-signed. Hopefully, all the data is signed, but given the competence of the deciders, I wouldn't bet on it. Actually, I will. We all will.

      There have been some attempts at making the cards less of a liability. Data can be pre-encrypted. However, the lessons of DVD CSS have taught us that One Key To Rule Them All is no security at all, so all cards must have unique encryption keys.

      This leads to another problem: if you can't handshake (because there isn't power for crypto processing) how does the scanner at the airport discover the key, without the key being broadcast in the clear to everyone in 20m? The answer is some kind of optical scanner, so you have to put the passport on a scanner to allow the key to be read (almost in the clear), but without radio broadcast. This introduces the same inconvenience as a contact card, but without the security.

      Don't allow your optically readable data area to be photographed (eg by a long lens). Really. This is your only real protection.

      The schemes for optically scanning the keys varies. The dutch tried to mangle a key using personal data such as name, date of birth and passport issue date; this scheme was broken on a laptop in two hours by knowing only a few details and brute-forcing the rest. The best scheme which could be used would be to put a random number on the passport, send it to the issuing government's computers and get the key back that way; but then the computers could supply all the other info too, so why bother with the RFID? Another political decision rules this out - the passport must be readable without a network connection to central computers. Ho hum.

      So the key must be stored on the card, and must be readable by any official reader. Remind you of anything? DVD CSS? We're back to the One Key problem again. This time it will be different (yeah, right). Criminals will have a choice: either find the One Key (a once-only task), or steal one of the hundreds of thousands of readers which will be distributed around the world and use that. Once that key is known, all the world's passports become open books.

      So that's it. We're screwed. We are *so* screwed.

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    23. Re:Ummm. by Jasin+Natael · · Score: 1

      I just don't understand what requires them to make the thing readable from 20 feet away? They don't have to be readable via RF at all. I've used optical passport scanners that work quite well, and if more information needs to be incorporated, then QR codes or some other 2-D barcode technology could be used. If they need to read my passport when I'm 20 feet short of the inspection desk, PUT THE READER 20 FEET DOWN THE LINE. You can put it at a turnstile, where I have to scan my picture page before passing through.

      It's kind of unprecedented, but this seems to be the exact opposite of the security theatre we've seen in recent years. Now, the authorities are going out of their way to keep you from being inconvenienced by the 'security' measures, albeit still at the expense of privacy and security. Schneier may have to come up with a whole new thesis to describe this behavior.

      I, however, will probably be glad of the convenience in spite of myself, and will happily drop $30.00 or so on an RFID-shielded passport case. Those who may be threatened by the prospect of being identified by their passport number, or who don't want random passersby or hotels, or taxi cabs logging their passport, will need to be aware of the issue. Net security gained / lost : probably nothing, especially if the passports come with bags, covers, or idiot-language disclaimers about covering them up. Convenience gained / lost : also probably nothing. The increased speed of processing will come at the price of vigilance. The world turns as always.

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    24. Re:Ummm. by JimBobJoe · · Score: 1

      Now there's an Internet, you do not need to carry ID.

      Actually, one thing this article doesn't mention is whether the document has a photograph on it or not (though the article does say it can't be used for air travel which implies the document has no photo.)

      So it sounds to me like the card and it's chip are just a key that opens up the ID file they use to pass you through--just as you suggested.

    25. Re:Ummm. by Das+Modell · · Score: 1

      You may or may not have realized this, but sarcasm doesn't work particularly well on the Internet, especially when it's done poorly.

    26. Re:Ummm. by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Actually - any intercontinental tourist would meet these qualifications - being able to spot any passport in a nation where people don't usually carry them would be useful to thieves. Maybe not as much in Europe where you don't need much money to travel between countries - but in areas where political borders are further apart or harder to cross a passport would equal money...

    27. Re:Ummm. by rolfwind · · Score: 1

      It would seem to me that the obvious solution is that the RFID tag should only be readable when the user wishes it so. Like put a slim 10 year lithium battery in the thing and a flat button inside that the user presses that activates some logic that allows the RFID to transmit when he wishes to go through a checkpoint.

      I don't see why it has to be readable all the type as if it were a store tag that prevents merchandise from being stolen.

    28. Re:Ummm. by Plutonite · · Score: 1

      DH, though difficult to "eavesdrop" on, is vulnerable to man-in-the-middle attacks just like most no-previous-knowledge key exchanges. In fact it can be quite trivial to do this if the attacker can respond faster than the opposing device by standing in the middle/having better hardware.

    29. Re:Ummm. by zranger · · Score: 1

      I'm commenting here only to remove my mod. I accidentally rated redundant when intending to mod insightful.

    30. Re:Ummm. by swillden · · Score: 2, Informative

      Every security measure I've seen for RFID involves some encryption, and a "Handshake" between the reader and card. In a packed situation like an airport, it would be really easy to have an electronic device sniff this handshake, and by pretending to be a reader, lift multiple passport ID's off of people while passing by.

      Umm, no. You should really learn something about cryptography and/or RFID before making statements like this.

      1. If these can be read from 20 feet, they're true RFID tags, not contactless smart cards. That means (a) they can't carry any more data than a single ID number and (b) they don't have any sort of encryption.
      2. If these cards did have encryption, and the implementors weren't idiots (and they're not), then it would not be possible to eavesdrop on the communications unless your reader knew some appropriate secrets.

      In fact, what these devices have on them is either your passport number or some other unique ID which can be used to look up your passport data. Either way, there's no sensitive data here.

      The real concern is the issue of being able to identify Americans at a distance. If you choose to get one of these cards, just be sure to wrap it in tin foil before you put it in your wallet.

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    31. Re:Ummm. by swillden · · Score: 1

      Maybe not as much in Europe where you don't need much money to travel between countries - but in areas where political borders are further apart or harder to cross a passport would equal money.

      You mean countries where you can't use credit cards. There aren't many of those that aren't also so poor that anyone with decent clothing is obviously "wealthy" by local standards.

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    32. Re:Ummm. by roystgnr · · Score: 5, Funny

      You seem to have reached that awkward transitional stage where you're smarter than the government, but not yet smart enough to realize that yes, you really are smarter than the government.

      Don't panic. The transition doesn't take very long, and when it's complete you'll be amazed to discover how much else starts making sense too.

    33. Re:Ummm. by Viceroy+Potatohead · · Score: 2, Informative

      That strikes me as somewhat disingenuous. The Yen has always been more closely equated with the cent than the dollar, Looking at the history of the Euro, it's pretty clear the value of your dollar is not as strong as it was, at least in comparison to the Euro (ie, you're not as rich as you were). Actually, that site is kind of interesting. The behaviour of your dollar compared to the Japanese's is very strange compared to a fairly consistent trend in the currencies of Canada, Britain, Australia, Malaysia, South Korea, China, Russia, the EU, or India. All of whom are major trade partners and/or highly competitive with the US. It's cherry picking a bit, I'd agree, because there are some counter-examples like Mexico, but with such a similar devaluation of your dollar happening throughout all these other markets, I wonder what's up with Japan.

    34. Re:Ummm. by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Well, for one thing that you might need the passport to get INTO other countries? Unless you'd really like to try to create a stable network connection between the US government and every little checkpoint around the world. International airports is one thing but try crossing between two african or asian countries on a back road (no, not illegal road... just one of thousands of border crossings) and you won't get very far. And would you really like a fallout / denial of service attack (even if it's not on the Internet, it can happen) to effectively close all borders? I don't think you've thought this through...

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    35. Re:Ummm. by Loconut1389 · · Score: 1

      Border patrol/customs has 20 more feet of lines to catch you if you're a bad guy.

    36. Re:Ummm. by dabraun · · Score: 1
      EZ-Pass is a business. If they have too many illegitemate transactions it cuts down their profits, so they are motivated to build a secure system. The government has no such motivation because they are not accountable for the results (are they really going to take the blame when a terrorist uses eavesdropped passport information to get through a border undetected?).


      That, and the fact that at the end of the day EZ-Pass gives you nothing more than an account number that can be used to go through tolls, and if they start seeing unreasonable and out of place toll activity on an account they'll just shut down the account and contact the owner like a credit card company does - it's not your identity being stolen.

    37. Re:Ummm. by mr_musan · · Score: 1

      much more easier to do crowd control like this give the people no choice but to be read.

    38. Re:Ummm. by ContractualObligatio · · Score: 0

      "100+ Yen to the Dollar, yet the Japanese aren't considered particularly poor..."

      Wow. That comment displays either willful or genuine ignorance. Either way - best you stop responding on posts dealing with international matters until you can demonstrate an understanding of such simple things as exchange rates.

      "The ones, who are walking around in Paris, are still quite rich -- by the standards of a lowlife robber, anyway."

      Hey, arrogant as well as ignorant! Well done! Some of the best attributes of an asshole in only a couple of sentences, with crap punctuation to add a bit of spice - not easy to do in such a concise post. Do you practice a lot?

    39. Re:Ummm. by ContractualObligatio · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can you name a single example of an American abroad being killed by terrorists (or by a dude in an alley in Paris) where the motive was the victim being from America, as compared to any wealthy nation?

    40. Re:Ummm. by forgotten_my_nick · · Score: 1

      What is most likely (assuming security is key here) is the RFID will contain just a serial number with modulus checking. The system gets the number and reads the record data on the person at the custom end. This way you can't alter the data customs sees.

      But with US systems these days it really wouldn't surprise me if they stored everything on the RFID chip.

    41. Re:Ummm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean the huge belly, the loud brash accent and unbelievable arrogance does not now mark someone out an an American? I don't think a wifi passport will make this much easier to spot.

    42. Re:Ummm. by arose · · Score: 1

      The issue with this is, similar to any other encryption, especially one widely used, it will be broken.
      Let me guess, you don't do online banking and the one time pad will only last a few more years?
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    43. Re:Ummm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ones, who are walking around in Paris, are still quite rich -- by the standards of a lowlife robber, anyway. You show me a rich man, and I'll show you a thief.
    44. Re:Ummm. by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Here's the thing the RFID is only an index number to a database entry, change or hack the number and you don't match the digital picture in the database and they become real interested in you. The real badguys want to either get bogus ID to match their image into the database or to change what's already in it. When you are reentering the US from a trip to Columbia, would you rather be have a record of 3 arrests from drug trafficking cross-referenced to your name or be a Sunday-School teacher doing a humanitarian mission?

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    45. Re:Ummm. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      The iButton system does work that way, it's actually got a n incredibly secure communications channel as the ibutton it's self has a processor (java based) and you can even change the crypto keys in the authentication tokens. the RFID systems I have touched have a really basic encryption system because the rfid tag has very little or in some cases NO processor and simply spit out what was asked for. Some of the security rfid card systems are a bit better as they use a rolling number like a garage door opener but also can be "spoofed" as if they are triggered several times without a correct check they are asked for a reset and start their number pool over.

      MOST RFID car access systems are far less secure than they seem, and I guarantee the rfid system used in passports and ID's will be the same crap used in product tags and simply spit out their unique ID number, that will be cross referenced in a DB to your real info. simply clone the tag of someone that looks like you and you have successfully circumvented their entire system. it will be that cheezy because I have NEVER seen the government actually pay for real security on citizens Identification. They go the cheapest route every time.

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    46. Re:Ummm. by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Can you name a single example of an American abroad being killed by terrorists (or by a dude in an alley in Paris) where the motive was the victim being from America, as compared to any wealthy nation?

      Robert Stetham
      Leon Klinghoffer
      Many others

    47. Re:Ummm. by mi · · Score: 1

      I just don't understand what requires them to make the thing readable from 20 feet away? They don't have to be readable via RF at all.

      I gather, you've never waited at a major international airport like JFK, when several large planes land short time apart from each other. The passport-check hall turns into a zoo...

      They want RFIDs for the same reasons, various warehouse-management systems are trying to use them — it shaves a few seconds off of processing each "unit" (be that a package or a passenger). With thousands of passengers per day, that's several hours of time saved...

      You are quite right, that optical scanners work fine — and that's what's currently in use. But the optical scanner can only be used, when the passenger is already at the counter and has given the passport to the officer (and is already waiting — sometimes impatiently). With an RFID system, the look-up of the passenger's data can begin, when they only start walking from the "Please Wait Here" sign to the available officer's booth. By the time they are at the booth, their picture along with other data will already be on the screen...

      PUT THE READER 20 FEET DOWN THE LINE. You can put it at a turnstile, where I have to scan my picture page before passing through.

      Khmm, I have not seen any turnstiles at JFK... And the readers, that I saw at the booths are, likely, not intended (or, in government speak, "not certified") for use by personnel without special training (that's us, passengers)...

      It's kind of unprecedented, but this seems to be the exact opposite of the security theater we've seen in recent years.

      There is a certain "piss-off threshold", that a government would not want to cross — any government. In a democracy, the threshold is even lower...

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    48. Re:Ummm. by mi · · Score: 1
      If you practice calling others "asshole" a lot, it is you, who best stops responding.

      And living.

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    49. Re:Ummm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A big deterrent with stealing EZPass is that all the toll booths are equipped with cameras to photograph you license plate. Unless you have a stolen plate, you're not going to get away with it.

    50. Re:Ummm. by mi · · Score: 1

      That strikes me as somewhat disingenuous. The Yen has always been more closely equated with the cent than the dollar

      My comment was not meant to suggest, that the dollar is fine, because it has not fallen as much against yen as it did against euro.

      All I was saying was that a mere ratio of currencies is meaningless. Both the medium and, more importantly, the median American incomes and, more importantly, wealth remain quite high. Especially among intercontinental travelers...

      Although direct comparison with French is difficult — uniform statistics are hard to come by — there is no denying, that an American tourist walking around in Paris will be richer (on average), than a native pedestrian. They are also more likely to have cash on them and be more helpless in the street.

      All of this would make it undesirable to carry a device, that would act as the "I'm American" beacon.

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    51. Re:Ummm. by kellyb9 · · Score: 1

      Americans who travel and wear monocles tend to be rich.
    52. Re:Ummm. by eli+pabst · · Score: 1

      Thanks for clarifying that. I didn't mean to suggest that it did, I was using it as an example of bad implementation of an otherwise secure encryption algorithm. I can see how that might be confused based on how it was poorly worded.

    53. Re:Ummm. by mpe · · Score: 1

      Originally, the concept was that a bus load of people could simply drive across the border and their passports would be read from the roadside as they passed. Sounds simple enough, but there was no assessment of the security. No handshake, no encryption.

      There's also the problem of the machine even knowing if the number of passports equals the number of people on the bus. Never mind anything as complex as working out which passport belongs to which person.

    54. Re:Ummm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't seen any RF powered RFID takes using public key encryption, they are all expensive to compute. From what I read about the passport, it will be private key only.

    55. Re:Ummm. by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      If only there were some sort of encryption Infrastructure that used... special Keys of some sort... perhaps something suitable for Public areas...

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    56. Re:Ummm. by porpnorber · · Score: 1

      I'm being misunderstood. I'm not saying that there's no point in having passports for dealing with foreign countries (although if they adopt the policy that the US advocates, that their documents are checked before boarding for a trip, then in fact the same arguments do apply). But any electronic card passport 'replacement' would not be a conventional passport anyway. Furthermore, the claimed benefits are not benefits for foreign countries, either; they are benefits for Americans returning to the US.

      So, to try again: it's not that passports have no use, but all the new electronic IDs being tossed around recently can be reduced to serial numbers.

      As to the question of a DOS against the border posts—first, there's no need for them to use the public 'net, and second, I will bet you dollars to donuts that if the 'net goes down now and they can't check if you're on the blacklist, the border guards will not let you pass. I don't think anything would change.

    57. Re:Ummm. by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      What crazy world do you live in where Americans aren't safe to travel without living in fear of violent crime? Do you swallow all the Terror and Fear propaganda from the government?

      It most certainly is not more dangerous to be an American tourist than any other sort of tourist. Sometimes it's better! In South Africa, some native Africans hate the white Afrikans people who oppressed them for so long, but they LOVE Americans for helping to set them free. And Paris? Really? The French are rude to everyone, especially themselves. But the violence recently has been from immigrants against the French government, not against the USA.

      A petty thief is going to go after any juicy target, regardless of nationality. Since Parisians dress well and Americans dress like they are, well, on vacation in Paris, the Americans are probably the lesser target.

      I felt no more a target in my world travels than I do in the midwest. South America is an exception, but I was targeted by merchants, not thieves.

      Refuse to be terrorized.

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    58. Re:Ummm. by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      People who travel across oceans for vacations tend to be rich.

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    59. Re:Ummm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You got that right.

  4. futility by User+956 · · Score: 1

    The cards could be read wirelessly from up to 20 feet away

    "and there's nothing you can do about it! ha!", added Deputy Assistant Secretary Of State For Passport Services, Ann Barrett.

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  5. Uses Standard RFID Technology. by Zymergy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Tin foil billfolds and passport covers are already being sold: http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&safe=off&q=RFID+blocking+wallet&btnG=Search

    Nothing a microwave oven on high for 2-3 seconds (or a hammer and hard surface) won't solve: http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&safe=off&q=RFID+disabling+passport&btnG=Search

    1. Re:Uses Standard RFID Technology. by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2, Funny

      Tin foil billfolds and passport covers are already being sold

      Joke's on you... DHS is forbidding passengers to carry more than one square inch of tinfoil through security, or more than three square inches in checked luggage, because it could be crumpled up and fashioned into a weapon.

    2. Re:Uses Standard RFID Technology. by Zymergy · · Score: 1
    3. Re:Uses Standard RFID Technology. by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      Citation needed.

    4. Re:Uses Standard RFID Technology. by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I forgot the citation. Here you go!

    5. Re:Uses Standard RFID Technology. by aussie_a · · Score: 2, Funny

      Please forgive me for not realizing something that plausible was a joke.

    6. Re:Uses Standard RFID Technology. by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      That's because the entire DHS is a joke. Now you have me wondering if anyone is removing aluminum foil from their suitcase because of that post.

  6. These will be optional. by SpudB0y · · Score: 2, Informative

    You must opt-in to receive one of these terrorist magnets, so leave your tinfoil wallet at home.

    1. Re:These will be optional. by isdnip · · Score: 1

      Standard passports are already coming through with RFID. They can be read from up to 60 feet away. True, the standard government-issue reader has a much shorter range, but 60 feet has been demonostrated. The bad guys (those who set off bombs when Americans go by the trap, for instance) know how to do that. The new passport will probably be readable for a block or so, if an airport reader can go 20 feet.

    2. Re:These will be optional. by dangitman · · Score: 1

      That's what they say now, until the next "threat to homeland security" and it becomes mandatory.

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    3. Re:These will be optional. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they want to get me with a bomb, it had best be a damn big one if it goes off a block before I get to it. Wouldn't it be more realistic that they would use the lower power 20 ft one and not have to guess how long it took me to walk the rest of the block before attempting to incinerate me for having a stupid president? I mean really 20 ft for a bomb is certainly within the kill zone of many that you could conceive. A block? Not very likely.

  7. 20 feet away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    How do you check that the boimetrics on the card matches the biometrics of the person carrying it 20 feet away?

    1. Re:20 feet away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > How do you check that the boimetrics on the card matches the biometrics of the person carrying it 20 feet away?

      That's only a problem for HomeSec. The terrorist with the IED, on the other hand, isn't terribly concerned about the safety of anyone traveling within 20 feet of an American.

      Which is the beauty of the system! You get a fat contract to develop a remotely-readable passport. You deploy the system. Then, six months later, when the first RFID-proximity based IEDs go off, you get an even bigger contract to develop the tinfoil wallet!

      (You didn't think this is about keeping citizens safe, did you? Since a homebrew tinfoil wallet is an effective countermeasure against both government and criminal snoops, it's barely about keeping citizens under surveillance, never mind safe. :)

    2. Re:20 feet away by pjt33 · · Score: 1
      I haven't RTFA, but on my UK RFID passport the only biometric is a digitised version of the photo. That will probably continue to be checked by eyeball for a few years, at least.

      Having said that, the range for the UK passports is claimed to be considerably less than 20 feet, so YMMV.

  8. "Waved on through..." by Hamster+Lover · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From TFA:

    "As people are approaching a port of inspection, they can show the card to the reader, and by the time they get to the inspector, all the information will have been verified and they can be waved on through," said Ann Barrett, deputy assistant secretary of state for passport services, commenting on the final rule on passport cards published yesterday in the Federal Register.

    Hahahahaha. You have got to be fucking kidding me. I have been the United States on two separate occasions via air in the last few years and in both cases neither myself nor any of my fellow passengers were ever "waved on through" inspection. Everybody got the royal ass raping treatment and this comment by Ann Barrett is just a bureaucratic pie-in-the-sky sales job for the new passports.

    1. Re:"Waved on through..." by rindeee · · Score: 0

      Since you're not from the U.S., chances are pretty good that you wouldn't be carrying an American passport then, eh? This would be for US residents that are re-entering the country.

    2. Re:"Waved on through..." by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Hahahahaha. You have got to be fucking kidding me. I have been the United States on two separate occasions via air in the last few years and in both cases neither myself nor any of my fellow passengers were ever "waved on through" inspection. Everybody got the royal ass raping treatment

            Being an old fart I remember the BIG DEAL when "machine readable" passports were created, and the idea then was that apparently it would save a tremendous amount of time because you could just swipe your passport in a machine and be on your way (provided the powers that be didn't want to speak to you). Hah. First, I have only ever had ONE machine readable passport (all the rest say "THIS PASSPORT IS NOT MACHINE READABLE" on the scanning line), and second I have only ever had my passport scanned by the airlines at check in, before I fly (to the US).

            The lines keep getting longer - especially now that everyone except us Canadians has to be fingerprinted and photographed. 2 hours+ delays are common at major hubs. Well I avoid the US (and travel in general) nowadays not because I don't want to or can't afford it, but because it's a real pain in the ass being treated like a "suspect" from the minute you drive to an airport until you drive out of one. Now ask me if I think the US is "winning the war on terror"?

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    3. Re:"Waved on through..." by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Insightful
      ya.. spend a few hours in customs and save ten seonds by not having to manually read the passport... efficient use of their resources isn't it?

      but because it's a real pain in the ass being treated like a "suspect" from the minute you drive to an airport until you drive out of one. Now ask me if I think the US is "winning the war on terror"?
      I think we know by now that the "war on terror" isn't going to be decreasing terrorism [it is in fact increasing it] nor is it protecting freedoms or safety, it is in fact eroding freedoms that they never had the right to take away in the first place. sigh... as an American, I hope this never spreads to Canada but judging by recent events, it may indeed happen anyway...
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    4. Re:"Waved on through..." by value_added · · Score: 1

      This would be for US residents that are re-entering the country.

      I think you meant to say US citizens.

      Foreign nationals can have legal residency in the US, but would normally be required to present a valid passport from their country of origin. Similarly, US citizens residing in other countries would be presenting a US passport.

      Unless you're in a movie, in which case all bets are off.

    5. Re:"Waved on through..." by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      as an American, I hope this never spreads to Canada but judging by recent events, it may indeed happen anyway...

      Bush meet mini Bush, uh Harper. Quite frankly beyond the oil rich Alberta, Harper doesn't seem to reflect the Canadian way.

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    6. Re:"Waved on through..." by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      I don't see how it would work anyway. If it had a range of an inch or so then yeah, you could wave it at a little receiver in line and when you got to the front the goon, er, customs agent would have your info up and ready. Not that that would speed things up much because he'd still have to at least grill you about what you were doing outside the country. But 20 feet?

      A better idea would be just to have a pre-screening clerk in line who takes your passport punches the number (scans the barcode, whatever) and verifies that the picture matches. Then the real customs guy can concentrate on asking important questions like "ever been in trouble with the law, son?"

    7. Re:"Waved on through..." by Swampash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I just don't travel to the USA any more. It's not worth my time or my dignity. When conferences and business meetings get scheduled, I make sure someone else goes. Inevitably they get back complaining about some jackbooted stormtrooper screaming "PAPERS! PAPERS!" at them, and vow never to go through it again.

    8. Re:"Waved on through..." by phoebusQ · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sensationalism at its finest.
      I travel internationally to and from the US on a monthly basis and never see any of these "atrocities".

    9. Re:"Waved on through..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this technology proved successful in US passports (unlikely), there's no reason why similar technology couldn't be used in green cards and other (semi-)permanent visas. They probably wouldn't require that people travel with that document, but they could incent people to do so by allowing them to use the "express" lines used by US citizens.

    10. Re:"Waved on through..." by Jerry+Rivers · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Foreign nationals can have legal residency in the US, but would normally be required to present a valid passport from their country of origin. Similarly, US citizens residing in other countries would be presenting a US passport."

      This is partly false. U.S. permanent residents need only present their Permanent Resident Card to enter the U.S.. Of course, if they travel anywhere that requires they have a passport they would have one from their country of citizenship anyway. But Canadians, for example, do not need a passport to enter the U.S. if they are U.S. permanent residents, and they do not need a passport to enter Canada.

      http://www.dhs.gov/xtrvlsec/crossingborders/whtibasics.shtm

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    11. Re:"Waved on through..." by samkass · · Score: 1

      I'm an American, and in the early 90's I took a trip to Bogota, Colombia. On the way back, I got a minor grilling on the Colombian side before leaving Bogota, but literally got waved through customs in Miami and didn't even have to break stride. Of course, that was pre-9/11 and all, but still... the US really does WANT to try to make this stuff easy to do. We're just, well, bad at it right now. For most of the past decade we've had a government run by a party who are trying to prove that government isn't good at doing things, and they're succeeding. I'm sure it will get sorted out. Sorry for the inconvenience.

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    12. Re:"Waved on through..." by Earered · · Score: 1

      Well, I think that it's since, oh 2005, that the U.S. requires Electronic passport for foreigners. I'm french, I've got one.

    13. Re:"Waved on through..." by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I travel a lot for my career, and in fact just returned from China with a few colleagues (CES starting in 4 days and all). The grilling I get entering other countries is a LOT less than what my colleagues received entering the US.

      Does the US entry suck? Yes, it does. But in my experience in the last year when I entered Canada (driving across the border at Sumas), China, Japan, Chile, France, the UK, Indonesia and Russia I got a lot more scrutiny and more of the "ass raping treatment" you complain about that what I witnessed today how 3 Chinese nationals were treated on entering the US.

      Guess what - countries LIKE to know and control who's coming into the territories, and if you think the US is unique then you haven't traveled much in the last 5 years...

      But that's OK, it's hip and oh-so-chic to rag on the US. Shows how progressive and enlightened you are!

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    14. Re:"Waved on through..." by Ian+Alexander · · Score: 1

      From TFA:

      "As people are approaching a port of inspection, they can show the card to the reader, and by the time they get to the inspector, all the information will have been verified and they can be waved on through," said Ann Barrett, deputy assistant secretary of state for passport services, commenting on the final rule on passport cards published yesterday in the Federal Register.

      Hahahahaha. You have got to be fucking kidding me. I have been the United States on two separate occasions via air in the last few years and in both cases neither myself nor any of my fellow passengers were ever "waved on through" inspection. Everybody got the royal ass raping treatment and this comment by Ann Barrett is just a bureaucratic pie-in-the-sky sales job for the new passports. Given that these are US passports, being issued to US citizens, I think the idea is that it's supposed to expedite the reentry process for US citizens.

      Being a US citizen who's reentered the country via air (I'm assuming you're not a US citizen), I can tell you the treatment you get is significantly different to the treatment non-US citizens get. They made sure my passport photo looked like me and asked if I was smuggling livestock into the country. That's it.

      Maybe the difference is contributed to by the fact the customs and border patrol are basically schizophrenic? I live not far from the US-Canada border, and on reentry to the US I've gotten everything from "Oh, look, you have a passport, I'm sure it's yours, no need to look at it, have a nice day," to having me and everyone else in the vehicle lined up, our documents inspected, interviewed ("What were you doing in Canada? It's not like there's anything anybody could want up there!"), and required to officially make a declaration of any articles acquired in Canada.
    15. Re:"Waved on through..." by terrymr · · Score: 1

      If you only offer your permanent resident card they ask for your passport. I assume they want the passport so they have something to use their date stamp on.

    16. Re:"Waved on through..." by Rorschach1 · · Score: 1

      I'm sure the process isn't as painful for us citizens, but still - I'm a native Californian, and my last trip through US customs at LAX was the most unpleasant experience I've ever had in customs. And that includes the crossing into communist China a few days before on a last-minute visa. And it wasn't even that I got pulled aside or got any special attention, it was just slow and required a long time standing and answering questions and putting up with the agent's attitude. I can't imagine an RFID system shaving more than 5 seconds off that time.

      On the other hand, that 5 seconds would have roughly halved the time it took me to get through French customs at CDG.

    17. Re:"Waved on through..." by socz · · Score: 0

      you know, it really depends on 2 things i think, what you look like and your attitude. My buddies who are "white/native american" tell me, "when i cross the border i tell them 'you work for me, i pay your salary!' hahaha no really! they do! And since they're tall with reddish/light brown/blond hair, blue eyes and fairly pale (white) they can get away with it.

      So having that in mind, i tried it too! hahaha when i came back from mexico, i was grilled. i gave the guy attitude and he started asking me retarded questions such as, what elementary school did you go to. So, like i said, keeping in mind what my buddy said, i broke it down: school, street, city, zip code, county and other useless info. Yeah it might have seemed to him i was being a dick, but he was like alright welcome back. All this because i surely don't look "american" especially from a flight from mexico.

      So i really think #1 appearance matters and #2 your attitude will make or break you. I've seen other legals crossing through customs and get grilled because they are timid and scared, which makes no sense! But anyhow, i've never been held up too much because i just get an attitude knowing that they can't do anything worse than waste my time.

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    18. Re:"Waved on through..." by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      ...Everybody got the royal ass raping treatment ...

      Well duh! On the screen displayed that you have an alias on slashdot as "hamster lover", they were simply checking to see if you were smuggling any.

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    19. Re:"Waved on through..." by AP31R0N · · Score: 1

      Yes, the number of bombings on US soil (and embassies) has risen sharply since 9/11. Oh wait... the opposite it true.

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    20. Re:"Waved on through..." by magicsquid · · Score: 1

      Inevitably they get back complaining about some jackbooted stormtrooper screaming "PAPERS! PAPERS!" at them, and vow never to go through it again.

      "Sensationalism at its finest" is absolutely right. I have no idea why you were modded as troll.

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    21. Re:"Waved on through..." by wizardforce · · Score: 1

      Yes, the number of bombings on US soil (and embassies) has risen sharply since 9/11. Oh wait... the opposite it true.
      technically Iraq doesn't count since it isn't on US soil but it sure is doing a good job killing our troops and by the looks of it, they're using it as a training ground and using it to strengthen their cause. What was once a fringe group is now seen as "freedom fighters" to drive out the people who blow the hell out of their country. I mean really, wtf would you have done if some country started blowing the shit out of us? oh wait.. it's only terrorism if other people do it.
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  9. OPTIONAL for frequent travelers that want it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How could you leave out this little detail from your story?

    I know the universal ID/RFIDs are legitimate stories, but this card story is non-story turned into a potential page churner ONLY because of the single detail left out of the write-up.

    Shoddy editing job.

    1. Re:OPTIONAL for frequent travelers that want it! by darealpat · · Score: 1
      This is only a "non-story" only if one is not alarmed at the great potential lapse in border protection shown in this particular card. The second to last paragraph of the referred to article reads:

      "Last year, the Government Accountability Office reviewed technology similar to that used in the passport cards. The report found low read rates and said the technology should be used only to track goods, not to identify people." Elsewhere in the article it is clearly stated that these cards can be read at up to 40 feet away, and could be cloned. If that last part doesn't bother you or make this a "real story" then, if you don't mind, kindly send me one of your bankcards so I can help monitor your financial situation.
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    2. Re:OPTIONAL for frequent travelers that want it! by MechaBlue · · Score: 1

      "Optional" is a more politically viable way of saying "testing the waters". If there is no major outcry and the trial run isn't publicly disasterous, they will be mandatory in the future. There is little cost to making the cards mandatory; the equipment to read them is already in place and the holders of the cards pay for each card.

      An important problem with these cards is the technology is assumed to be infallible and it will take a lot of work to shake that perception. Many things can go wrong with a system like this (e.g., card cloning, database synchronization errors) and any problems will be buried under the guise of national security. It has the potential to be like the TSA's No-Fly list but with a flaky, expensive computer system in the middle. It could easily turn into a debacle like the Diebold voting machines.

    3. Re:OPTIONAL for frequent travelers that want it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1.

      Optional. Voluntary. Merely for your convenience. Etc. They all end up meaning whatever it is, you'll get stuck with it and no political risk for the originator of the initiative. Too much unrest? Well, it was voluntary. Lets take it down and try in a few months. Otherwise just creep it in. By then its too late to complain as its already been "accepted", and whoever speaks against it is portrayed as an exception.

    4. Re:OPTIONAL for frequent travelers that want it! by skegg · · Score: 0
      >> How could you leave out this little detail from your story?

      You must be new here ...

  10. most everyone here would wrap it in foil by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Interesting

    however, average joe blow is going to go to niagara falls in canada, he'll be scanned and scammed as he wanders around, and by the time he drives home to schenectady that evening, someone in russia will be selling his info to someone in china

    at times like these, why root against incompetence? it always seems to win

    so go with the flow i say

    anyone want to rent a 3rd story apt in niagara falls canada with me and point an rfid reader out the window?

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    1. Re:most everyone here would wrap it in foil by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      however, average joe blow is going to go to niagara falls in canada, he'll be scanned and scammed as he wanders around, and by the time he drives home to schenectady that evening, someone in russia will be selling his info to someone in china

      While his comrades in the US loot the victims home for profit, pretending to be "carpet installers".

      I think this piece of GWB legislation must have been co-written by the mafia.

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    2. Re:most everyone here would wrap it in foil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll rent one. It might be cheaper to rent one on my side of the border though. You can rent a whole 3 story house for under $400 a month in downtown Niagara Falls, NY. I am from the LaSalle area myself.

      And since you seem to be a local, wouldn't you just rather see the whole passport to get to Canada thing revoked?

    3. Re:most everyone here would wrap it in foil by megaditto · · Score: 1

      Actually, you don't need a passport to get into Canada. They are only asking for it because you would not be able to get back to the US without one.

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    4. Re:most everyone here would wrap it in foil by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      Please tell me exactly how collecting passport numbers is going to be useful to you or to someone in Russia.

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  11. New Revised Summary by Alexx+K · · Score: 1

    The cards could be read wirelessly from up to 20 feet away, which could reduce the difficulty in information gathering. Deputy Assistant Secretary Of State For Passport Services, Ann Barrett said, "As people are approaching someone wishing to harvest personal details, they can remain completely unaware, and by the time they walk past the person with the reader, all the information will have been extracted and it can be used to generate proffit.""
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  12. I travel from Mexico regularly..... by desertfool · · Score: 3, Funny

    And this is a joke. I, and my family (Mexican wife and 'mixed' child) get waved through when we say "American" at the border. Now my wife is a naturalized citizen, but they take one look at me (white as can be) and we get one question before we are waived through.

    As for an RFID solution, what makes that better than the 'instincts' of the Border Patrol? I think that could be faked so fast that a young male of middle eastern descent could could get through as an asian business person just because the border card said so. //Trolling, just for the fun of it. I have a lot of unearned karma....

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    1. Re:I travel from Mexico regularly..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reality is, US citizens do not need a passport for reentry into the US (and at least Canada will not require it for entry)
      If you have a birth certificate and a drivers license, it will do well enough but might create a slight hassle.

      They cannot deny entry to any US citizen.
      You just need to provide reasonable proof and a birth certificate and DL is more than sufficient.
      Now they might pull you over when you cross and ask you some annoying questions but if you can get the officer to admit he has a "reasonable belief" you are a US citizen, you can say thank you and pretty much leave.

      They cannot deny a US citizen entry, passport or no.
      Ive been crossing the boarder for years (live near) and will not be getting a passport.

  13. Wonderful. by FriendlyPrimate · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh wonderful. Now when I'm overseas, the terrorists can identify me as an American in a crowd from 20 feet away.

    1. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      you dont need rfid to identify American Tourists abroad, they are pretty obvious anyway.

    2. Re:Wonderful. by adsl · · Score: 1

      I think you hit a major concern there. With all the best current technology there would surely be an easy way to identify the signal of an American, even amongst other RFID Passport holders, as there is sure to be an identifier of some type built into the basic signal. Thus one would be signaling one's Nationality merely by holding a concealed US Passport on ones person. Might as well travel overseas with an American flag wrapped around one. Surely this would not be the intent of this technology?

    3. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah but this will make it easier for your average bomb in the trash can to recognize passing Americans

    4. Re:Wonderful. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      If you see a guy waving an antenna around, counting on his fingers and grinning, time to leave.

    5. Re:Wonderful. by panaceaa · · Score: 1

      RTFA. This is a device that you get in addition to your passport. You probably leave the device in your car, and it comes with a metallic sleeve so you can shield it when you're not crossing borders. You do not take it with you when you go traveling on a plane.

    6. Re:Wonderful. by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just make a bomb that's triggered by chewing gum and obnoxious behavior?

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    7. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I welcome this more as a way to be recognized as NOT an american while travelling without one =)

    8. Re:Wonderful. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Informative

      RTFA. This is a device that you get in addition to your passport. You probably leave the device in your car, and it comes with a metallic sleeve so you can shield it when you're not crossing borders. You do not take it with you when you go traveling on a plane. Your point is moot. All US passports issued in the last year or so already have RFID's embedded in them. So it amounts to the same thing.

      Furthermore, these new passports have a half-assed faraday cage built into the cover, but like so much of government it really is half-assed. All it takes is for the cover to be open by less than a centimeter, as might easily happen in lady's purse, and the RFID is no longer protected against unwanted access/detection.
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    9. Re:Wonderful. by botrunner · · Score: 0

      How the fuck is that insightful. Replace terrorists with criminals and mabye, but as it is, it's just xenophobia. 'Overseas' is not crawling with terrorists looking for freedom loving americans to suicide bomb.

    10. Re:Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true. I renewed my U.S. passport in March of last year (2007), got it finally in
      June and it did not have the RFID.

    11. Re:Wonderful. by syousef · · Score: 1

      Oh wonderful. Now when I'm overseas, the terrorists can identify me as an American in a crowd from 20 feet away.

      It's actually worse than that. They've just provided a good way for a terrorist (or automated weapon) to identify an American standing on any queue at a port.

      Not just you. I presume officials won't be exempt?

      I'm guessing the data won't be encrypted either.

      Moronic.

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    12. Re:Wonderful. by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      How can I have my US passport announce itself as Canadian? =)

    13. Re:Wonderful. by Jimithing+DMB · · Score: 1

      So attach a strap to one side with a snap on the end of it that holds it closed. Or use a piece of tape. Or hell, put a rubber band around it.

      I don't know about you, but I would never carry my passport in a bag, nor put it in my pants pocket. They make passport holders you can wear under your clothes that keep your passport completely invisible. You should be using one anyway, and if you use one, it will also keep it flat and thus closed.

      Besides that, the passport situation is different. The new passports have all of your identity information stored on them. The cards they're talking about here just have a number. As you enter the gates, your number is sensed. That lets a computer system pull up your information from a database in advance so it's ready to go for the real border screener to view.

      Of course, a card with a bar code and a few simple fixed scanners on the way into the gates would have worked almost as well without the possibility of the number being read remotely.

    14. Re:Wonderful. by ContractualObligatio · · Score: 1

      Frankly - fuck off with your attitude. I'm not American. But I am caucasian and more at risk abroad than I used to be because of the land of the wiretapped and the home of the scared.

    15. Re:Wonderful. by megaditto · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, the magical Papiere Bitte.

      On a positive note we could probably drive a generator off our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.

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    16. Re:Wonderful. by Jimithing+DMB · · Score: 1

      Wow. Just wow. You seem to be saying that checking papers at the border is equal to what the nazis did. My understanding of the Nazi "papers please" was that the police were arresting and interrogating people simply for not having their papers while in public places.

      Care to explain your analogy to border security further? It's rather superficial. Here's another one using your logic:

      Did you take a shit today? Yes? My god! You're just like all the Nazis!

    17. Re:Wonderful. by CrkHead · · Score: 1

      If you're polite enough, you get mistaken for a Canadian.

    18. Re:Wonderful. by megaditto · · Score: 1

      Scared of losing your passport so much that you have to keep it strapped to your body? All because you now have to prove that you were granted a priviledge to exist, to breathe, to travel, to marry, to find work or start a business?

      I am amazed that what used to be inalienable right of every person has now turned into a set of limited priviledges for the selected few. The fact that our government manadged to pull off the convertion, and the sheeple accepted it and cheered along.. all this is no small achievement I am sure.

      Wow. Just wow.

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    19. Re:Wonderful. by Jimithing+DMB · · Score: 1

      I'm not scared of losing my passport. Nor am I scared of any authority in this country or any country I'd travel to asking me for it while walking down the street. What I'm concerned about is someone picking my pocket or stealing my bag, probably just for money or something they can fence, and getting my passport as well. That is why you should use a passport holder whenever you are anywhere that you need a passport. It's something you ought to be doing anyway and if you've ever traveled abroad then you were a lucky fool that you didn't get your shit stolen.

      As for the rest of your rant, I really don't know what to say. Requiring identification within the U.S. is a different issue entirely from requiring a passport outside the U.S. Besides that, your logic is somewhat flawed. Your claim as I understand it is that requiring identification is the same thing as being granted permission. For example, no U.S. citizen needs permission to work in the U.S. When you show your identification to your employer, you aren't being granted permission in return. What you are doing is showing your employer that you do not need permission. If you feel you need permission, then that's your own insecurity.

    20. Re:Wonderful. by megaditto · · Score: 1
      The default assumtion today is that a person does not have any rights. This holds unless and until the person shows the documents.

      The Constitution, however, states that it should be assumed a person has all the rights, and the burden of proof is on the Government to show otherwise.

      What you are doing is showing your employer that you do not need permission. Do you not see that you are presumed guilting until you can prove you are innocent? The employer assumes that you don't have that right until you show otherwise.

      So what I want to know is why people like you don't mind being treated as suspected criminals each time they deal with authorities?
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    21. Re:Wonderful. by Jimithing+DMB · · Score: 1

      The default assumtion today is that a person does not have any rights. This holds unless and until the person shows the documents.

      No, the default assumption is that people cannot be trusted to say who they are. Once you prove who you are and that you can be trusted then people will trust you.

      What you are doing is showing your employer that you do not need permission. Do you not see that you are presumed guilting until you can prove you are innocent? The employer assumes that you don't have that right until you show otherwise.

      I realize it's a very fine distinction, but it's a very important one. As a U.S. citizen you do not need permission to work. You are not presumed "guilty" of anything, merely presumed to possibly be lying about your citizenship status. Once you prove you are a citizen there is no permission to give because such a concept does not exist. That is what the whole "inalienable rights" thing is all about. The idea that rights come from the Creator and are not permissions arbitrarily bestowed by government.

      It is to your detriment that you don't see it this way. You go into the transaction in a position of weakness because you believe you need permission. Simply stop thinking that way. You are the one giving up your rights. It is all in your head. When enough people start thinking about things the way you do, it sets the stage for a police state. The very thing you are trying to avoid you are helping to bring about by your willingness to legitimize the idea.

      So what I want to know is why people like you don't mind being treated as suspected criminals each time they deal with authorities?

      I don't even understand what you're talking about. I've never felt like I was being treated as a suspected criminal. Do you mean that you feel like a suspected criminal when you go to the DMV or go to city hall to get a business license or whatever? Why? It's a basic function of government to keep track of what its citizens are doing and to resolve conflicts between and among its citizens.

    22. Re:Wonderful. by megaditto · · Score: 1
      Where in the Constitution does it say your inalienable rights can be denied to you if you are not trusted?

      The only 3 cases where the Govt has a right to demand citizenship proof (i.e. your papers) are if you:
      i) run for Public Office ii) vote or iii) are summoned for jury duty.

      The Chinese Government, bin Laden, a guy next door, Lucy Liu, or the United States Govt- neither of these have ANY say over your inalienable rights. Why you people like to think otherwise is beyond me.

      You go into the transaction in a position of weakness because you believe you need permission. If you cannot do something without asking for aproval or authorization, then by the very definition you need permission.
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    23. Re:Wonderful. by Jimithing+DMB · · Score: 1

      You do not need approval or authorization to get a job. You need to authenticate that you are a U.S. Citizen.

      Now, in my opinion, that shouldn't even be necessary. What makes it necessary is our ridiculous production tax and the associated socialist programs as well as a protectionist attitude that aliens must be given permission to work here in addition to permission to enter in the first place. Now I think that permission to enter in the first place is a basic sovereign right of the nation, but permission to work is a ridiculous thing.

      That said, there are some things you do need permission for. You need permission to drive a car or open a store front. It is not your inalienable right to open a noisy business in a residential neighborhood nor your inalienable right to drive an uninsured car or to drive when you have not shown you know how to be mindful to other drivers. But keep in mind that it's the cities and states that handle things like that. In other words, it's your fellow local citizens wanting some semblance of order.

      So don't lump all interactions with authorities into the same group. You're right that sometimes you need permission, but those permissions come from the states and cities, not the federal government. At the federal level you don't need permission or authorization, only authentication.

      It is a mistake to think of the U.S. federalist system in terms of the European democracies, which seems to be what you are doing.

  14. By remote DNA sampler by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1

    They shoot you with a sampling dart like they do with whales.

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  15. Tinfoil Wallet by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1

    I did go ahead and line my wallet with aluminium foil. It actually does stop the reception for the wireless chip in my MasterCard.

  16. I hope the electronic passports are unhackable!! by listen_to_blogs · · Score: 0

    If the passports are going to have the wireless technology built it, I hope they have taken utmost care to make it safe from hackers . Network/wireless sniffing is extremely easy. The electronic passports must be safe from simple attack like network sniffing/packet replay etc. That said, its a great move and a step in the right direction. listen_to_slashdot

  17. Move the reader? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 0
    The cards could be read wirelessly from up to 20 feet away...

    Ummm... Why not simply put the reader 20 feet away as people approach? Or is that too low-tech?

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    1. Re:Move the reader? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wondered that too - then I thought that maybe they want the reader to not be visible and not be touchable? (for example if it was a bar code reader you could touch it, jam gum in it, maybe cut a wire or something). Whereas with this thing, maybe they hide it in the ceiling and you can't see it or mess with it?

    2. Re:Move the reader? by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      Your post makes no sense. Isn't that what they said they're doing?

    3. Re:Move the reader? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1
      Why not simply put the reader 20 feet away as people approach?

      Your post makes no sense. Isn't that what they said they're doing?
      No. They're distributing cards that can be read at a distance of 20 feet from the reader. I suggest that they could issue cards that can only be read from a nominal distance and actually move the reader 20 feet down the line.
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  18. Security vs. ease of use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What could be more American than trading security for easy of use. Ben Franklin would have been proud

  19. Don't see how it will help with lines by Yath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What nonsense. If they could be "verified" by machine, they wouldn't need to stand in line in the first place. Travelers stand in line for physical inspection and crowd control, and the card can't help with that process. Unless it can count the books of matches in my backpack and measure my lithium battery, all it will do is save a few seconds of pulling out my wallet. Sounds neat, I guess.

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    1. Re:Don't see how it will help with lines by jimicus · · Score: 1

      Unless it can count the books of matches in my backpack and measure my lithium battery

      And you reckon the security guards at the airport can measure your lithium battery?

  20. Re:Not enough power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is simply not enough power for passive RFID chips to do any kind of processing, including SSL or other forms of encryption. While it is true that there are contactless smart cards which are capable of doing things like that, they have a range of centimeters at best. There is simply no practical way to broadcast enough power 20 feet to handle SSL.

  21. Sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember the days when Republicans were the party of fiscal responsibility? You must be old here. :)
  22. Waved aside? by qwerty+shrdlu · · Score: 1

    Once security decides you're trying to get waved through, will this passport set you up for extra attention?

    1. Re:Waved aside? by martin-boundary · · Score: 1

      Make sure you wear a suit and shiny shoes, and *don't* look the uniformed people in the eye. You'll be waved through pretty quickly.

  23. encryption doesn't matter by Simonetta · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Encryption doesn't matter for a passport...if you are hunting Americans and Americans are the only ones who have RFIDs in their passports.

        If you have a device that detects RFIDs and you find someone walking down the street in a country outside the USA with an RFID on their person, then that person is most likely to carrying an American passport. If you are looking to kidnap or kill an American because your God has given His OK to do so (the mullah told you so), well then chances are very high that you've found one.

        So run up and do Allah's will. If it's a woman or child, so much the better because there is less likelyhood that they will fight back or resist.

        This RFID in passports is such a bad idea that it is all but unimagineable that any other country will do it. Americans have become obsessed with techno-fascist stupidities since the Saudi Arabian massacre of their people in September 2001. They need to step back a little and give some serious thought to what is a good idea and what is only a technological fad with unwanted consequences.

    1. Re:encryption doesn't matter by mi · · Score: 1

      If you are looking to kidnap or kill an American because your God has given His OK to do so (the mullah told you so), well then chances are very high that you've found one.

      Americans aren't difficult to pick out even when they aren't carrying RFID-devices. And the Americans, who go through the trouble of trying to disguise themselves, will wrap their passports in foil, or something.

      Even more likely, the actual RFIDs will not be broadcasting anything, until the passport is opened. That's very easy to implement (not that the Government is not likely to screw it up anyway, but one is hopeful)...

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    2. Re:encryption doesn't matter by terrymr · · Score: 1

      I've had a British passport with RFID for over a year now .... so I don't think RFID will be unique to Americans.

      Oddly enough the British Embassy in the USA was the first British passport office to issue them, which is why I have it.

    3. Re:encryption doesn't matter by DoctorFrog · · Score: 1

      Encryption doesn't matter for a passport...if you are hunting Americans and Americans are the only ones who have RFIDs in their passports.

      My Irish passport, issued June of 2006, has RFID. My American one, issued six months earlier but valid until 2015, does not.

      Yank-hunters might have to be a bit more sophisticated than that.

    4. Re:encryption doesn't matter by Divebus · · Score: 1

      Even more likely, the actual RFIDs will not be broadcasting anything, until the passport is opened. I'll hack mine to play "Happy Birthday" when they open the passport.
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    5. Re:encryption doesn't matter by BlueStrat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And the Americans, who go through the trouble of trying to disguise themselves, will wrap their passports in foil, or something.

      Who wants to lay odds on the chances of the US government making such "obstruction and/or obfuscation, or possession of such obstruction or obfuscation device(s) or material(s)" at any time by such a passport holder highly illegal? It would follow with the rest of the brain-dead security theater "logic" we've seen so far.

      Cheers!

      Strat

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    6. Re:encryption doesn't matter by AGMW · · Score: 1
      I'll hack mine to play "Happy Birthday" when they open the passport.

      Or maybe "The Star Spangled Banner"?

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    7. Re:encryption doesn't matter by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      RFIDs are in EVERYTHING today, including foreign passports, library books, and tennis shoes. You have no idea what you are talking about, fool.

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    8. Re:encryption doesn't matter by LordVader717 · · Score: 1

      This RFID in passports is such a bad idea that it is all but unimagineable that any other country will do it.
      Yet all EU members have them, after bowing to presure from the US government. It seems a little igorant to threaten other counties citizens to not allow them to enter the US without a biometric passport, yet they themselves are years behind and 9/11 was on internal flights, which still don't all require identification.
  24. Hallelujah!!! by moxley · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thank the American God that they solved this problem, because those piece of shit regular passports barely fucking worked and were an accident waiting to happen..(and a fire danger)....

    Seriously...with all their "paperness" and "non-electronicky" and all that.

    Someone call Apple!

    1. Re:Hallelujah!!! by Shade+of+Pyrrhus · · Score: 1

      How is this different from what we already have? I recently received my passport, and it states it has "electronic devices" inside of it, and to not bend it because of that. You still have the paper, but the electronic devices could be used where available.

    2. Re:Hallelujah!!! by game+kid · · Score: 1

      I would've made a comment about Apple's new iPort passport/mp3-player/phone/pilot-light/oregano-grinder, but the name seems to be taken. :/

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  25. Tired of Waiting at the Canadian Border by macaroo · · Score: 1

    After sitting in my car last Sunday for 45 minutes at the Peace Bridge while some vehicle 8 or 9 cars ahead was held up for 20 minutes, I welcome any change in the procedure to help speed up the processing of the casual traveler. I realize the limitations of the technology, but am willing to accept the risks to help speed things up. In the Summer surge on weekends the 3 or 4 hour wait can be the longest leg of a pleasant journey across the border. The carbon footprint of a thousand or so cars and trucks idling in 90 degree + temperatureshas to be tremendous.

    1. Re:Tired of Waiting at the Canadian Border by moxley · · Score: 1

      It's not the limitations -(though I think the terms "security flaws" are more apt); it's the fact that this is the doorway through which electronic ID, microchipping, and everything else is going to come through. If you don't see the problem with carrying around a piece of ID that can be electronically read from a distance now, I think it will become readily apparent soon enough - likely within a couple of years.

      I am a technologist by trade and realize that most cell phones can present similar issues, and I am all for progress - I certainly would love the convenience of that (also, keep in mind that often when one part of a process such as a border check gets made faster, the buerocracies and authorities view that as time which can be used for another check - perhaps they'll check more cars and luggage - so all in all, while I appreciate progress - the cost is too high in this implementation; there need to be better safeguards for privacy. We're heading into a fascist nightmare in America IMO and the last thing I want to do is give big brother a way to see everywhere I go in real time effortlessly.

    2. Re:Tired of Waiting at the Canadian Border by Jaime2 · · Score: 1

      Do you think each car waited in line for 20 minutes while the customs official looked up their ID information on the computer? This will shave about 2 seconds off the process. They spent all that time while the travelers tried to convince the official that they were legitimate tourists/regular people instead of smugglers or terrorists. I don't see how pre-fetching their arrest record and their date of birth is going to make it any better.

      Last time I went across the rainbow bridge I got a ten minute lecture about how I didn't bring enough documentation with me to get back home. On the way home, the guy spent one minute with me and let me go.

  26. In Soviet Amerika Government Spies on U 4 Free! by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    (obligatory)

    Sorry, but the implications on this for not just electronic hacking, privacy, and stolen IDs, but also for people to loot your home while you're in another country just stagger the imagination.

    Want security? This is not the way to go.

    Convenience is just another word for Gullible.

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  27. As a side note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was gone to German Rathaus today and I saw it on a flier: they also have this RFID enabled online Passport.

    Ref.: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/45780

    For what its worth to mention, they have it since 2005. (http://rfid-informationen.de/info/news/archives/00000125.html)

  28. Lead wallet anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would start storing my passport in a heavy metal casing to combat the radio signals and only get it out when I want it read. It's a bit like the talk around RFID in bank notes. The mugger scans your handbag to find out how much money you have before he mugs you!

  29. Rephrase by nick_davison · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    "As people are approaching a port of inspection, they can show the card to the reader, and by the time they get to the inspector, all the information will have been verified and they can be waved on through."

    "As people are cowering in their seats, their card is read by the terrorist's reader. By the time ther terrorist gets to the American Infidel, all the information will have been verified and they can be singled out for execution first."

    Gee, thanks. Couldn't have [not lived] without it.

    "The Bush Administration, finding innovative ways to make life easier for terrorists since 2001."

  30. How long before... kidnapping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK. So you're walking down a street in a mildly hostile country and someone shines their RFID reader at you, and Presto! they say, "Hey, that's an American!"

    Even if they couldn't read the actual info, it seems likely that it'd be a pretty good indication that you're fodder for a ransom...

  31. 20 feet? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Well, i guess that will help them track all of us easily once we all have that 'national ID' thing.

    Wont have to 'show us your papers' as they will know its you from down the street.

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  32. Great by Matt867 · · Score: 1

    Fantastic! Now all an illegal alien will need to cross the border is an old television antenna coupled with a 9 volt battery!

  33. How about people read the FA?? by RodgerDodger · · Score: 2, Informative
    From the FA in question:

    The $45 card will be optional and cannot be used for air travel. Travelers can opt for a more secure, if more costly, e-passport that costs $97 and contains a radio frequency chip that can only be read at a distance of three inches. Privacy and security experts said the new passport cards that transmit information over longer distances are much less secure.


    Also in the FA it is stated that all that is contained is the passport number - presumably the rest of the details get looked up.

    So, here we have a card that:
    a) costs still more money.
    b) can't be used at airports (just land and sea border crossings)
    c) can't identify you to random strangers - they'll need access to the US passport database.

    So the point of this is that when you're driving across the border from Canada, they've verified your passport details while you wait in the queue, then all they do is take a look at you and send you through to customs.

    Of course, this same thing could be done by having a second checkpoint to do the Q&A stuff.

    Now, can we please take all the comments about lines at the airport out of the discussion?
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    1. Re:How about people read the FA?? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      c) can't identify you to random strangers - they'll need access to the US passport database.

      want to bet money on that? If I get your first 3 numbers of your Social Security number, I can identify pretty well where you were born or registered. therefore a small sampling and I will bet I can probably discover that you are an american and therefore worth money as a hostage, or what I want to kill for my Jihad, who I may want to rob, etc...

      I'll bet Dollars to doughnuts that passport numbers also follow a trend and If I got a large enough sample I could probably tell if you were east or west cost (west coast = more money) and if you are a newbie traveling or a seasoned traveler (seasoned traveler = more money)

      That amount of information is HUGE and highly valuable to random people that want to take advantage of you.

      also give it about 6-8 months before someone loses a laptop with the entire passport DB on it. It seems to happen every week with the Us government.

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    2. Re:How about people read the FA?? by RodgerDodger · · Score: 1

      *yawn* I can tell if you're an American or not within a few minutes of passive observation. The same amount of time would give me a good determination of whether you're worth robbing, or killing, etc. Ransom value would take time, but heck, why not just kidnap you and ask you those questions in private?

      In other words - this doesn't increase risk.

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    3. Re:How about people read the FA?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > a) costs still more money.

      Last time I checked, 45 was less than 97.

  34. Don't you get it? by game+kid · · Score: 1
    1. People get new passports to speed processing time
    2. Said people notice odd charges in credit cards, higher volume of mail, the occasional death threat from Santa Claus ("He knows where you are sleeping", etc.).
    3. Volume of "identity theft" calls becomes overwhelming
    4. "Our economy is improving! America has added over 5,000 new office jobs since last year!"
    5. Suggest the Underpants Gnomes joke and I'll behead a bunny.
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  35. RFID - electronic passports by e**(i+pi)-1 · · Score: 1
    It is interesting that RFID does no more appear in stories. It has been replaced with "Electronic passports". The problems seem immense:
    • Individual chips can be identified by the characteristics of the radio transmissions.
    • Chips can be cloned. In England, Biometric passports were already cloned.
    • The shielding is not well enough if the passport is closed. So companies start selling stronghold bags.
    • Its possible to track people. Tags can possibly be read in distances of meters.
    • Forgery of digital passports could become a lot easier.
    • The worst case scenarios of a data breach are a nightmare.
    Some links:
  36. Flamebait? by nick_davison · · Score: 1

    On numerous occasions, hijackers have gone through the passengers, demanding to see passports.

    Those that had U.S. passports (and, less frequently, British too) were singled out to be used as either human shields or the first to be executed to prove the terrorists meant their threats.

    Leon Klinghoffer on the Achille Lauro is one classic example. A wheelchair bound, 69 year old, he was executed first because he was identified as a Jewish American.

    Going through a plane full of 400 people or a cruise ship with a couple of thousand takes multiple people a significant amount of time as each scared person fumbles with their passport, pretends they can't find it, etc. Walking down the isles with an RFID reader that tells you whenever you pass one of your target group does make the job significantly easier.

    An ignorance of history doesn't actually make a post flamebait.

    The simple fact remains: Making it stupidly easy for hijackers and terrorists to identify people without even needing to see their passport, just walking within 20 feet, is an exceptionally bad idea.

    1. Re:Flamebait? by isaac · · Score: 1

      The simple fact remains: Making it stupidly easy for hijackers and terrorists to identify people without even needing to see their passport, just walking within 20 feet, is an exceptionally bad idea.


      Unless your goal is to keep one's subjects (and their money) afraid and confined to their home country. Then it's not such a bad idea, is it?

      My Occam's Razor take on RFID passports isn't that there's a conspiracy to make people less safe, mind. It's that there's a conspiracy to sell RFID readers at inflated prices to state agencies.

      -Isaac
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  37. Next ---- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And didn't you consider that blacks might be poorer than whites due to social inequality and lack of education in family history (all of which can be demonstrated to exist) rather than some nebulous connection between skin color and natural mental acuity? Post hoc ergo propter hoc is a fallacy for a reason, and even if there IS a chain of cause and effect it's not so easy to tell what the steps in the middle were.

    Troll.

  38. Conspiracy theory by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 1

    Maybe the government knows these things will be such a pain that no one will want one. Then they'll declare a draft, and no one can escape the country.

  39. Re:One feature I want in an electronic passport: by UncleTogie · · Score: 0

    being the descendants of ... unsuccessful criminals...

    Hey... We don't care if you don't like Australians.. Take it elsewhere, bub...

    {Ba-dum-DUM-Ding!}

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  40. Suicide bombing without the suicide by giminy · · Score: 1

    Coming soon to a bomb near you:

    while(1){
        count = poll_rfid_country_of_origin(USA);
        if(count > 5)
            detonate();
        sleep(5);
    }

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    1. Re:Suicide bombing without the suicide by thejuggler · · Score: 1

      That is a scary thought. Depending on the passport data it need not limit itself to country of origin. It could also scan for religion affiliation or gender. As I look at the passport form I see you are asked about birth place, employer and employer. Both could be useful in targeting someone. Not to mention this is also the recipe for a very precise signature bomb in which it only targets one person. So if first name and last name match the bombs target then kaboom.

      Thanks for scaring me.

    2. Re:Suicide bombing without the suicide by giminy · · Score: 1

      Thanks for scaring me.

      I'm in the security business, it's my job(tm).

      Reid

      I also wonder if this passport thing could be used for marketing purposes, e.g. track where people move in an airport for more effective billboard placement, etc. A lot of money could be made with it, as well...

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  41. It that the stench of Abuse in the air? by YU5333021 · · Score: 1

    What if Microsoft made passports? I'm sure it would come with a wi-fi, so you can just squirt your information at whomever. But wait! It's not just a passport. No sir! It's also an mp3 player, a radio, all in one shopping card, a resume and a portfolio. Medical id and a credit rating report. Criminal history and a pda/gps. Our records indicate that you actually were at that political rally that turned sour... Almost every US adult carries a driver's license as a primary form of ID. Perhaps this new wireless Zune passport can also be that...

    I tend to stay away from nightclubs and bars that scan your driver's license. Too much information for them. They don't need to know my name, let alone my place of residence. CCTV bugs me less (if the point of the whole privacy invasion is JUST for security)... If I ever have to go to such an establishment (friend's birthday, or something else that's not worth being a paranoid dick over) I'll just bring my passport instead. They still have to let me in, but can't as easily place me on a list of patrons for whatever purposes. With passports becoming even more revealing than your DL, I would seriously have to consider never going to such places ever again.

    I see this proposal as incredibly expensive, with trivial benefits, and a whole lot of potential for abuse. Perhaps one could establish a VIP system with this where DTRM (digital travel rights management) gives you an easier TC (trusted commuting) pass based on your previous patterns of moving about. Which brings us back to the old discussion on profiling. blah... The only saving grace to the whole proposal is that a lot of americans don't have, never had, and have no plans of ever owning a passport.

    Makes me feel less paranoid that this could be just a sneaky way of introducing a national ID card. It's just a 'convenience' passport at this time. Perhaps more than that tomorrow. I understand benefits of technological advances, but this world will still continue using cash and paper ballots, regardless of alternates. Call me old fashioned, but I still prefer my passport covered in stamps from other countries. It's like collecting concert tickets!

    1. Re:It that the stench of Abuse in the air? by mikiN · · Score: 1

      What if Microsoft made passports? They did. Now it's Live ID. Rhymes with RealID. Coincidence?
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    2. Re:It that the stench of Abuse in the air? by YU5333021 · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't make any direct links between the two except for a legitimate question that can apply to both: "Do we really need this? And at who's benefit for?"

  42. Re:No air travel?! Well, Ho, Ho, Ho, by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    Green Giant (bling!)

    If the Band-Aid were made for the Jolly Green Giant, then would be sealed, provided there's blood-proof adhesive tape.

    But, seems to me, there will be facial recognition and gait matching records mixed in without card-carrier's consent/awareness. After all, at what point before customs officers' desks will electronic data be matched to the face of the card holder?

    With a rush of 2,000 to 5,000 cruise liner PAX and more than in an hour (or even 15 minutes) at major airport, that's way too much for humans to facially verify. That means ANYone resembling the holder can commit fraud, unless a hand scan, retina scan, breath scan or a plain-old dog-chip implant in the coccyx or cranium are part of the "trust but verify" processing.

    I wonder if the Bahamas or other cruise liners will have to employ these things just to get tourists back ONTO the ship. Wait, I think they do, already. If a passenger "misses movement" I wonder what kind of alerts or missing persons reports go out for them. Never know, they could be off training in a cell somewhere...

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  43. RFID Blocking passport holder by thejuggler · · Score: 1

    ThinkGeek.com has been selling RFID blocking wallets and passport holders for a while. I already own the wallet. It contains a Faraday cage that blocks signals from reading RFID credit cards or in my case my building security card. I've been putting off getting a passport, but I will most likely need on so I will be making yet another purchase from ThinkGeek.com. They already get most of my extra money every month.

    http://www.thinkgeek.com/brain/whereisit.cgi?t=RFID&x=0&y=0

  44. Re:Ummm. Not necessarily... by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    There might be for the Joe-Six-Pack (and undoubtedly for government/state department agents and military personnel) some sort of mask or even a false or variable-false nationality beacon into which to slip the Real ID, umm, passport.

    This way, they can arrive and pretend to be from Antigua but be a diplomatic courier or even armed Marshal. But international agreements, they'll be waived in or briefly asked questions so they don't appear to be "special", meaning they likely won't be a target if hijackers are able to get onto the plane or vessel.

    However, this means anyone with the ability to obtain a fake, verifiable, unchallenged ID can carry weapons (by pre-arrangement between governments, maybe?) when not actually authorized. So, as easily as Air Marshals, future, armed hijackers/skyjackers may have a new or another way to board unchallenged. Well, assuming the screeners don't know HOW MANY armed sets the threshold for a spot security check before takeoff/departure/sailaway.

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  45. Like the toll roads? by SirKron · · Score: 1

    Now if they can have you pass through WITHOUT getting checked mannually, then that would be a cool solution. Like the process on the Illinois tollway using I-Pass. The passport "light" would stay on green and the line would keep moving. The line would only stop for manual inspection when the light turns red. Combine this with a sign saying "American Passport customers only" and a bunch of manual stations. Of course, the single file line could also have dual cameras watching the faces of poeple going through.

  46. EL Hacko by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally they will release something to make it easier for Mexicans to enter illegally into the United States!
    Just get the Gringo in Tijuana, fill his skull with Tequila, get his border auto pass, and cruise into the US!

    1. Re:EL Hacko by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 1

      Yes, because no one will notice a minor discrepancy like there being a white guy's picture in the card readout and a latino in the car.

  47. You actually carry your passport ON you? by ChePibe · · Score: 1

    I don't know about others, but the first thing I do when I get to my hotel/apartment/wherever I'm staying overseas is stick my passport in a safe and leave it there until I head home or absolutely have to use it for something. Most everybody accepts a photocopy anyways.

    I understand your concern, but seriously - get that thing off your person ASAP unless you absolutely must have it on you.

    1. Re:You actually carry your passport ON you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It depends on where you are traveling. I go to Russia frequently, and you most assuredly must be carrying your passport on you at all times. The police routinely call out obvious foreigners and ask for them, at least in Moscow. Failure to produce a passport can result in several annoying hours in the lobby of a police station.

      At least I work for the US government, so sooner or later some (really pissed off) minion of the embassy will come and get me out. Folks on private business may end up spending the night in jail.

      Which is the funny thing about this article...in Russia my passport routinely disappears for hours as it's photocopied/registered/whatever by the government facilities that I visit. The basic information in my passport is already in a lot of files in eastern Europe, I doubt having it on available on RFID is going to be a whole lot worse.

    2. Re:You actually carry your passport ON you? by afidel · · Score: 1

      I'm the EXACT opposite, my passport never leaves my person. That way if I'm ever in trouble I can find a way to the embassy and be assured that I can prove who I am. I also have very strongly rebuffed hotel employees in Europe that insisted that I leave my passport with them, I tell them it's illegal for an American citizen to surrender their passport like that and they leave me alone. I don't know if they think they will hold my passport ransom if I don't pay or something but my rooms are always prepaid on the Visa anyways.

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    3. Re:You actually carry your passport ON you? by EmptyHead · · Score: 1

      Interesting trick about telling the guys at the front desk that it's illegal to surrender your U.S. Passport to the hotel. I'm a bit surprised that they'd buy that, I'll consider trying that if they try to hold mine. I haven't traveled in Europe much but in Africa and South America they'd typically want a copy at a minimum.

      If you're worried about problems such as natural disasters, unrest, etc. in a country you're visiting or residing in it would be a good idea to register at: https://travelregistration.state.gov/ That way the embassy would know you're in that country and would be able to notify you of problems and give advice as what to do to deal with these problems.

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  49. Outsourced to where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder where the people doing the verification will be located? In prison or India?

  50. Cone of Silence by mfh · · Score: 1

    You lower a giant glass cone down from the ceiling and stand under it. You also hope that nobody brought a recording device to the conversation, or that they might be able to get under the cone somehow, like by listening to small vibrations in the floor. Or worse, you pretend to be someone you are not by wearing a fake mustache.

    And that's American security in a nutshell.

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  51. Mod parent up! by tor528 · · Score: 1

    +1: scary as hell

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  52. more likely... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More likely to occur is that there will be a read error on your passport and suddenly you get flagged into the problem line, which takes 30 minutes longer than it did before there were electronic passports.

  53. Already Got One? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    I thought the new US passports issued since sometime in the middle of last year already embed readable electronics, whether RFID or some other kind of chip.

    Or is the State Department so screwed up that it doesn't even know it's already released them into the wild, where the bad guys are already raping and pillaging them?

    Isn't there some way to fry these RFID documents without rendering them useless to optical or human readers of their visible surfaces?

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    1. Re:Already Got One? by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 1

      Yup. There are many ways to ruin the RFID chips.

      1. Microwave it.
      2. Stick it under an N50 strength magnet.
      3. Overload the induction loop.
      4. Overheat it (car dash, heat register)
      5. Zap it with bursts of static (from a cheap static gun)
      6. Place it in a very strong electromagnetic field.

      Or, for a slightly more viible approach:

      7. Drill a *very* small hole through the chip itself
      8. Freeze it with a can of compressed "air" (the kind you buy in an electronics store) or butane (lighter refill) and then shatter the chip with a tack hammer
      9. Hit the chip with a hammer and nail punch.
      10. Damage the chip in some way with a hatpin.

      *Disclaimer: This information is for informational and/or educational purposes only.

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    2. Re:Already Got One? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Microwaving, drilling, freezing, hammering and hatpinning seem likely to get you sent to Guantanamo the next time you try to show it to an Immigration official.

      BTW, "Liberalism: Finding the gray area in a coin flip. Ethics Shmethics." in your .sig is pretty hypocritical considering the advice you just gave. Unless you're calling yourself "liberal". But you're probably "really libertarian".

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  54. Re:No air travel?! Well, Ho, Ho, Ho, by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

    Most cruise lines use a magnetic card issued to you at boarding that you use to get off and on the boat at different islands. When you swipe the card to get back on the boat at one of the various islands you're visinting, your picture is pulled from their database to compare to you (picture was taken when you got on the boat at the beginning of your trip).

  55. Certificates w/Public Key and Common Criteria... by StandardCell · · Score: 1

    First off, all ePassport and RFID chips need to go through rigorous secure design practices such as those offered by Common Criteria aka ISO 15408. This means every aspect of the design is documented to a particular level (in this case, Common Criteria EAL5 at a minimum) and ensures that the design has no back doors or other unintended "features" put in by the designers, as well as being designed in a secure environment (special rooms with multiple levels of physical protection, security monitoring, no outside communications). It is also designed to a particular security specification depending on the application. So, for example, one would choose something like BSI-PP-02 which is what most smart cards for this type of application are designed to these days anyway. This ensures that not only can direct attacks on cryptography and protocol be mounted, but also that side channel attacks such as differential power analysis are prevented.

    In addition, the setup enrolls each card with a unique ID or digital certificate unique and known only to the upstream readers. Non-destructive extraction of these keys from the chips on the ID or from the hardware security modules that take care of the crypto on the reader side is practially not possible. There is dedicated on-board cryptographic acceleration for both symmetric (typically 3DES or AES) and asymmmetric (typically 1024-bit or 2048-bit RSA, or 160-bit to 256-bit ECC) cryptography. So, just like digital certificates on the Internet ensure that you are really talking to Google when you use a browser and not to a man in the middle, nobody can really intercept communications between reader and card.

    The real concern isn't what criminals or hackers will do with this, but what governments will. Vicinity card, aka ISO 15693, may allow for surreptitious monitoring by readers because of the physical layer implementations that allow long-distance reading without the knowledge of the card's owner. That, of course, can be subverted by building a Faraday cage around the card (yes, I mean tin foil), but there was no reason in my opinion to go any further than contact smart card aka ISO 7816. For one thing, the power constraints make turn-around times on cryptography notoriously difficult on non-contact cards to stay within a decent cost and design budget - and that would've been greatly alleviated on the contact style cards. For another thing, there is really no reason for the physical person to not be present with the card, which means they could've easily made rows of ISO 7816 readers that you simply insert your card into at the same time it takes your picture and/or collects biometric information before presenting yourself to a BCIS agent. In any case, this is pretty much the top and bottom of what's going on with electronic ID of the future, so be aware of what you're carrying and how.

  56. Yaa sure. Income tax is VOLUNTARY TOO. by Rockin'Robert · · Score: 0

    DATA LOSS!
    Optional?
    Voluntary?
    Gagg.
    RH

  57. Crossing Borders by GC · · Score: 1

    Well, crossing a border involves leaving one country and entering another.

    Even if you fasttrack your entry in/out of the US at the US side of the border, you're still going to have to queue at the other end, because I doubt the other countries will have the same system and seriously doubt the US will share any 'encryption keys' that it might use.

    Pretty useless really, so what's the point?

  58. Re:One feature I want in an electronic passport: by ContractualObligatio · · Score: 1

    "the dully obedient lines were bred out repeatedly."

    Gotta love the dull way in which you repeat that bullshit. Don't know what race you are, but according your own standards you appear to be "inferior stock".

  59. Even more awesome by aepervius · · Score: 1

    Since apparently this passport RFID will sped up passing through airport gate, you will have a better probability of only killing speedy american, whereas the rest of us will still be stuck for hours (for days) in security queues. Finally I knew having a paper passport and be forced to take the longest queue would someday be an advantage.

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    1. Re:Even more awesome by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Damn...I've been trying to hold off on getting a passport, but, maybe I want to get one now before this chip is put in them or is it too late? Now that they're requiring them even for trips to Mexico or the Caribbean...guess I'll have to break down and get one. I had one at age 16 back when I went to Europe with my parents, but, haven't needed one since then, and with things getting dangerous in MX...I've not been even going there in recent years.

      One question...if you (in the US) get a passport with the RFID, and you "accidentally" zap it with the microwave, will it still be valid? Will they let you in/out with the paper parts intact but, with the rfid disabled?

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    2. Re:Even more awesome by genner · · Score: 1

      Its not a good idea to put any type of passport in a microwave.

  60. What time is it? by kerb · · Score: 1

    Its hacking time!

    1. Re:What time is it? by mikiN · · Score: 1


      &smiley;

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  61. Be careful about the embassy... by ChePibe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I worked for a summer as an intern at a U.S. Embassy, so when it comes to your plan to run to the embassy if you're in trouble, consider the following:

    1. If the trouble is criminal in nature, and you're accused of the crime, the embassy will probably just hand you over to local police. True, you can receive visits from your consular officer after you've been put in jail, but that's after the fact. Everything you've seen in Hollywood on this subject is 100% incorrect. An American Citizen Services officer I spoke with jokingly told me that his job consisted of calling parents and telling them, "yes, I know Johnny's a good boy, but he did something really stupid here, and now he's in jail. No, we can't actually do anything for him other than visit him. Sorry."

    2. The consulate is used to dealing with American citizens without passports - it replaces lost/stolen ones all the time. A photocopy won't hurt you at all in that respect - just tell them your passport is lost, but present a photocopy. They may want to know more personal information, and you'll have to pay a fee, but you'll be fine.

    3. If you believe the embassy will provide you great protection, think again. It's not like the movies - there is no company of Marines there to defend all the Americans in the gates. An embassy generally depends on local police for security and its small (quite small) contingent of Marine Security Guards (MSGs) for the last line of defense. Even then, their primary concern is the classified material. That said, there is nothing in this world like walking into your office and seeing a big MSG at the door. You know that, as an employee of the US Government, it'll take something approaching an army to get past that man so long as he's got breath in him and Rules of Engagement that allow him to fight. I've never been in the military, but God bless the USMC. That said, as a mere citizen, I wouldn't depend on the embassy to provide you any great protection and, if it comes down to that, do keep in mind that the embassy will likely be a big target for angry mobs.

    Personally, I would recommend waiting out any big disturbance and, if things appear to only be getting worse, getting to the airport ASAP with your passport - and you'll have a much better chance of not getting your passport stolen if it was in a safe in a location you can access when everything hit the fan. And trust me, huge riots can pop up at any time, without much warning. I was in Argentina in December in 2001... what a month. I felt good knowing that my passport was in a safe, across town in a quiet part of the city, in a locked building, behind a gate, with a security guard, rather than on my person in the middle of a riot.

    4. As far as hotels, at least in some European countries, it's my understanding that registering your location is a basic part of life. I believe that in Italy (could be totally off) that people are required to register (in theory) with the local police. Hotels register their clients with the police as well (I think... once again, don't take this as hard and fast truth). Your documents are generally held for this purpose. But, as this isn't too big a deal, most hotels don't push you on it.

    Long story short, I'd think twice about keeping a passport on me 24/7 if I don't absolutely need to do so (as in the Russia example cited above).

  62. Oh great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now the terrorists can RFID Americans and have their bombs explode only when Americans pass nearby.

    Thanks Uncle Sam, for putting Americans abroad at even more risk than they already are from your failed foreign policies.

  63. Faster? by houghi · · Score: 1

    I have a passport with a chip in it and I have seen no speed in the process at the airport. I still need to take of my shoes to get them tested. I still have to go through more checks then I used to.

    I have however a envelope made for my passport, Made it with tinfoil and duct tape. When they asked I told them I did not want to damage my passport, that way I would be able to present them a better readable paper, wich would make control easier for them and make my passage faster.

    They thought that was a good idea. I did not stop to tell them that I thought they were idiots for believing that lame excuse.

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  64. US Border Guard with Sense of Humour Shocker by AGMW · · Score: 1
    Years back I was over in North America on a holiday from the UK and coming back into the US from Canada the border guard looked at my photo, then at me, and putting his arm up to cover the top of his head he said "please do this sir" ... all straight faced and everything. So I did and he checked the photo, then looked at me again .. said OK, welcome to America, and off I went. Totally phased by it, puzzled I moved on. It dawned on me later that my passport photo actually cut off the top of my head and he was just pissing about!

    Subsequent visits to the US suggest he may be the one good apple in the barrel, however.

    Why does being a border guard mean you can't have a laugh with the travellers? Surely, being pleasent doesn't preclude doing the job, indeed it may just put people sufficiently at ease to make them slip up and reveal their bad intentions?

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    1. Re:US Border Guard with Sense of Humour Shocker by deadweight · · Score: 1

      1. You deal with annoyed people who hate standing in line all day every day. 2. If you were smarter you would have a job that did not invovle #1. 3. On 9-11-2001 people suddenly realized that no one did a real good job securing our borders and now your boss is paranoid the next bunch of suicidal assholes will come through YOUR line. 4. Various neo-con asswipes keep everyone worried about shampoo-bottle bombs and handcream bombs and other dumb stuff.

    2. Re:US Border Guard with Sense of Humour Shocker by AGMW · · Score: 1
      Yer ... I can see all that, but if you spend your day frowning at people and basically being miserable you are gonna hate your job and tomorrow will be worse as you spiral down into, well, into a Border Guard!

      If you decided to be happy ... be nice to the people, etc, you'd be happier, more likely as not, the people in the queue/line would be happier too - what about a "Hope you didn't have to queue for too long", "Sorry about the wait, but 3 full Super-Jumbos landed at once" ... something to break the ice. That's what I'd do if I had to do that job - and was allowed to, of course!

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  65. Cheaper alternative by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

    Why don't they just make them really big?

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  66. Re:No air travel?! Well, Ho, Ho, Ho, by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
    "Most cruise lines use a magnetic card issued to you at boarding that you use to get off and on the boat at different islands. When you swipe the card to get back on the boat at one of the various islands you're visinting, your picture is pulled from their database to compare to you (picture was taken when you got on the boat at the beginning of your trip)."

    Wow...it has been a LONG time since I was on a cruise (late 80's I guess), but, back then...I don't remember having to show ANY form of id to leave or return to the ship.

    Man..I really am starting to miss some of the "good old days", where you didn't have to identify and show your papers to move about and do common things....

    Sad thing is, many of the recent generation, take all this as the norm...and don't know this is really a recent occurance.

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  67. just what we need by Grampaw+Willie · · Score: 1

    now our hackers can sell stolen identities to everyone who want to sneak into the country

  68. a method of enabling/disabling reading. by wiredog · · Score: 1

    A small metal box. The sort you put gift cards in at Christmas.

    1. Re:a method of enabling/disabling reading. by LordVader717 · · Score: 1

      Or a Pasport sleeve lined with tin foil?

  69. Great! by supersnail · · Score: 1

    Now the immigration guys have more time to ask you dumb questions.

    Why is it that they always suspect people with two cameras, a video, a
    return ticket, bookings at a resort hotel and a pile of guide books have
    come here to get a job illegally?

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  70. Re:One feature I want in an electronic passport: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aw, poor baby get him feewings hurt?

  71. Excellent plan - targeted bombing support.. by cheros · · Score: 1

    I don't think it takes much in the way of electronics to scan for the presence of say 5 or more passports of nation XX in the vicinity and only then trigger a bomb. With enough power supply such a device could lay dormant for quite a few years.

    My passport got the microwave treatment. Given that the cover did not contain shielding and I work with microwave equipment, "mistakes" are easily made..

    I guess this project got the OK by the same process as the UK ID card scheme: let the contractor who stands to gain the work also perform the feasibility study. Prevents any nasty surprises on the conclusion front :-).

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  72. Re:No air travel?! Well, Ho, Ho, Ho, by DougWebb · · Score: 1

    I cruise every year, and I'm happy they have these cards. The best thing about them, from a passenger's point of view, is that the cruise ship knows exactly who has left the ship, whether or not everyone has gotten back on-board at the end of the day, and whether or not anyone who doesn't belong has tried to get on-board. They always say that you need to get back on-board on time because the ship will leave without you if you don't, but I suspect that they wait. More than once my ship has stayed in port beyond the scheduled time, and I've seen stragglers come running up the pier. In the Carribean where I cruise, most of the ports are only a few hours apart and the ship sails all night, so it's easy to make up lost time spent waiting for late passengers.

    The cards really don't slow anything down either; there's a queue to get everyone over the narrow gangplank anyway, and a quick optical scan of the barcode on the card while you pass the counter is all that is needed. Coming back on-board, the bigger hassle is the metal detector and x-ray you and your stuff (respectively) have to go through, but even that is much quicker than at an airport. (The TSA could really learn a thing or two from cruise lines... on the ship, you're not even standing and waiting in line, you're just reduced to a slow walk as you go through the inspection.)

    Side Note: if you go on an official excursion and you're running late, the excursion operators let the ship know where you are, and the ship knows who you are. If you go off by yourself and you're running late returning, the ship knows you're not back yet but they don't know where you are. Always carry the port information packet with you; it contains the contact number for the ship in that port, so you can call them and let them know you're on your way back. If they know you're coming, they may wait for you.

  73. Not So Awesome by 0p7imu5_P2im3 · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, the US government does not recognize dual citizenship with regard to its citizens. IIRC, as soon as evidence of citizenship in another country after the age of 18 exists, you are no longer a US citizen.

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    1. Re:Not So Awesome by uncle+slacky · · Score: 1

      No, it makes no difference to the US if you are a citizen of another country as well. To lose US citizenship you have to explicitly declare it to an appropriate official.

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  74. Breaking the RFID's illegal, iirc, foil is going t by AntrygRevok.net · · Score: 1

    Breaking the RFID's illegal, as reported here months ago, iirc, &

    foil-shielding is going to be illegal

    "only a TERRORIST would *hide* their identity from Lawful Authority!!"-arg

    within a few years, at most.

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  75. "Poorly Thought Out Ideas" for $200, Alex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow... so this means some enterprising person could quite easily make an "American Detector" which will let them spot all Americans in a 20 foot radius.

    Yeah... really clever idea brought to you by the Loyal Bushie Police State. Protectificatin' Ammerika by destroying one country at a time.

  76. This caught my eye by GregNorc · · Score: 1

    "The $45 card will be optional and cannot be used for air travel." Ok... the only times I've ever used a passport via land was going to Niagara Falls, and it was not a long wait at all. Maybe 6 cars ahead of me at the crossing, and it took maybe two minutes maximum. Even a tourbus took maybe twenty minutes to process. We were told to place our birth certificates on our laps (this was before the passport requirement). The border officer walked up to each of us, asked our place of birth, looking to see if we hesitated or otherwise seemed nervous, then picking them up and taking a look to make sure it's not a forgery. In short, a massive privacy risk increase, for what? The only time I can see this helping is seaports, and that's such a small percentage of border crossings it seems to me to be an unwise idea.

  77. deflation by ProfBooty · · Score: 1

    The Japanese economy has been experiencing deflation for the past few years.

    http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/624

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  78. Missile lock anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why don't we have all of our armed forces carry something like this? 20' to read it? How far to _detect_ it?

  79. Come on in! by dj245 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    People who want to enter the country for nefarious purposes will always have a variety of methods of entry that completely bypass these systems.

    I recommend a fake ID with a birthdate of February 29. Customs systems reject this date so they can't look up any records.

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  80. Releasing?! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    "Releasing" or "Inflicting"?

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  81. Already Happened? by killjoy966 · · Score: 1

    "Since August 2007, the U.S. has been issuing only e-passports."

    I expected better from the Washington Post.

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