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Dell Launches New UltraSharp 3008WFP 30-Inch LCD
MojoKid writes "Dell has taken the wraps off their new 30" LCD monitor today and launched the UltraSharp 3008WFP. You'll note that there are more than a few upgrades provided with this newer 3008 version. Specifically, the panel now has a 117% color gamut, in addition to having a 3000:1 contrast ratio, versus
the 1000:1 performance of its predecessor, the 3007WFP. The panel also comes with the same pixel response time of 8ms but now has enhanced brightness capability at 370 nits. Also, Dell finally saw fit to add significantly more connectivity options to the panel, with not only two DVI-D inputs, but also HDMI, Composite, Component, S-Video and the new DisplayPort interface. In short, anything you could want to hook up now or in the future, can be hooked up to this new Dell 30" panel."
Tell me something...it's still "We, the people"... right?
Oh wait, we're talking about monitors...
Well it says NTSC color gamut in the article but links to the wikipedia entry for RGB color gamut. RGB has a pretty poor color gamut. Yes it is better then most inkjet printers but it is worse then the printers used for photos printing which means sometimes you have to get a print to really see how a digital photo looks especially if you shoot it in RAW and allow the AdobeRGB gamut. If I read the article correctly, the monitor specifically allows for this wider Adobe gamut to be reproduced on screen.
if not then it is useless.
"... audio signals with 16-bit color per channel"
Man, give me some of what they are smoking.
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Ok then. I hope the backlight has a wider range as well. I'm OK with my LCDs at minimal brightness, some screens are even too bright for me at their dimmest setting, even with all the room lights on at max. It's as if the panels were intended to be used outdoors in daylight. If your town's lighthouse searchlight fails, then you can probably replace it with a 3008WFP.
Displayport can't handle the bandwidth at this resolution, but it would be nice. Some LCD TVs do 120Hz, but only through internal interpolation.
I've got two 2007WFP (20") monitors and they are awesome. If I had the money I would probably upgrade to the 3007WFP. The only complaint I have with the 2007WFP is that when the monitor goes to sleep, the USB ports lose power. The USB ports on the side of the monitor are very convenient. Last night I was copying some large files to my thumb drive and turned off the monitor so I could go to bed. I forgot that the files wouldn't copy if the monitor was off.
HDTVs tend not to include Dual-link DVI and its resolution of 2560x1600.
I already run my 21" VGA-connected 4:3 CRT at 2048x1536 (the limit supported by my KVM switch).
What this Dell display is missing is a stand that supports easy switching to portrait mode.
Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner entwine / The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine?
Resolution, resolution, resolution !!!
There is a major resolution difference, even if you have a 1080p set.
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I'd really like to know how much this thing is gonna cost. It's like trying to solve a cryptex looking for a price tag anywhere.
Happened across these guys a few days ago while hunting for a clue on what LCD to get in the 22-24" range. I was very impressed by their deep analysis of different monitors; actual measurements of color gamut, response times (ghosting), etc. Good shit. Yes, you'll have to 'suffer' their english. Big deal.
The first thing I learned was that it's like that old saying of "Fast, Good, Cheap -- Pick two", only with "colors, response, ergonomics". Secondly: It's hell to actually be able to know what the hell monitor you're getting since producers swap in different quality panels under the exact same model. Typically the good panels go out in the first batch (which reviewers will get), and then if there's high demand, or in other territories, they'll put in the cheaper panels instead. Their flippant attitude about it makes me not want to buy a monitor at all. Maybe with Dell this isn't a problem, but on the other hand, they're not cheap, as measured globally.
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On the other hand, with the scaling and resolution of this screen, you might be better off buying this screen and use it as a television set together with a digital tuner and a good hifi set.
By the resolution numbers I see that this new thingy is a widescreen. Needless to mention that 16:10 monitor has 7% less space than standard 4:3 screen with the same diagonal, plus the widescreen layout is fairly useless for any programming/web&graphics design work.
With this new monitor, your computer can correctly display many new, previously unaccessible colors, such as bleenish-grue, hooloovoo, ultrabrown, octarine, light black, dark white, and none more black.
I've got the 3007WFP and it's substantially better than an LCD TV as a monitor. The resolution is just huge - 2560x1600 is almost twice as many pixels as 1920x1080 on even the top TVs. My media centre is connected up via HDMI to a Sharp 37" 1080p TV. It's a great TV - still gives the best picture quality I've seen from a Blu-Ray film, but as a monitor it's very sub-par. It does a poor job of small text, relative to monitors. My PS3 clearly does something to compensate this because the web browser on there gives a much nicer result on the TV than Firefox on the media centre.
I think the big monitors have now caught up with TVs for displaying videos and pictures but TVs have remained well behind monitors for all other uses. i.e. you could probably now get away with using the Dell monitor as a TV, but I wouldn't suggest buying any TV to use as a monitor - just buy the cheapest 1920x1200 24" LCD monitor and it'll do a better job than any TV.
ummm.....
2560x1600 monitor vs. 1360x768 (cheaper) or 1920x1080 (about the same price) TV
That is why.
By the time this monitor comes down to the point that you could afford it (I'm assuming you don't have much more than about 700 to spend if you haven't nabbed a 24" by now) there will be something far newer and shinier available.
Actually it is quite clear. The resolution is also explicitly supported, so it isn't a matter of my overdriving the display (as I had done with the Apple 21" Studio Display VGA CRT it replaced). And with better dots per inch than this 30" (122dpi vs 100dpi), deeper black level, and faster refresh rate, at less than a quarter of the price. (I have a 47" LCD HD Monitor for entertainment to compare against.)
Still, I really like the interface choices on this Dell display. I've been meaning to replace the small LCD I'm using as a secondary display with a Dual-link DVI display, and the multiple inputs and Picture By Picture mode will simplify my workspace editing digital video as well as negate the need for a dual-link DVI KVM.
Why not use the 47" display? Because it's all the way across the room behind me.
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Conspiracy theories sound great, but considering Big Corporation would probably still be offering the same warranty on the "crap" versions, it wouldn't be economically feasible in the long run even if it helped boost a particular quarter. Keep in mind that the cost of warranties is included in the price of the product, and (just like any insurance) is figured out by actuaries (who have access WAY more info than would be available to us as end-users) so that they're NOT a losing gamble for the company. With cheaper parts, it'd mean more support, more replacements, more service.... and it doesn't take many service calls answered by a human being to consume the $30 difference in cost for sourcing cheaper chips, even across a boatload of screens.
Dang I knew car companies were bad by selling there next year model a 1/2 year early.... but DAMN a whole millennium??
I've got a 21" Wide Screen Dell display. It took some getting used to (about 5 days) before I came to terms with some back-lighting issues. But I also bought the sound-bar. What a piece of crap that is. I should have returned it just after testing it, but I thought it would be a nice addition to the otherwise feature packed screen. Even the connectors to the headphones were junk, no one should do that to a couple a pair of Sennheiser headphones.
After a while I have fallen in love with the screen. It's got *very* good scaling and the VGA connector performs brilliantly. Very good value for money. But, as said, DON'T BUY THE FREAKIN SOUNDBAR.
What's the contrast ratio with the dynamic contrast turned off? It's not just that I see it as a cheap gimmick to boost the specs, it bugs the heck out of me to have the contrast change drastically when what's on the screen changes. I always turn it off.
I just upgraded to two Gateway 24" displays (BTW, they're great for the money. I got two for under $800).
The truth is that once you get past this size, monitors become un-ergonomic. Bigger monitors make you have to swivel your head up and down; they also will exceed the limits of your non-peripheral vision if you sit at a "normal" viewing distance.
My $.02.
jh
The 3007 was always an odd one, unlike the 2407 it was lacking those other inputs and being the premium model, no one could figure out why.
Some people bought them anyway and coupled it with a monster video card but I know at least one poor sap who didn't do his research and purchased one, only to find it had no component ports (admitedly you should check but he just assumed on a display that large)
He's since spent hundreds trying to plug a DVD player and regular VGA laptop into it by purchasing component / vga to DVI converters etc (not cheap) and still having issues.
The 3007 might be a good monitor but with only a single input on a display that large, it really was overpriced, you'll see it absoloutely tumble on ebay in the coming months, if you own one, sell it now while you can.
Native 24Hz on both the player and TV are out now. Sony advertises this feature.
Have you ever seen a 30" monitor in portrait mode? I put my apple 30" in portrait mode (obviously it doesn't swivel.. I picked the whole thing up and put it on its side). It was insane how tall it was. You don't want a 30" in portrait mode.
Besides, it already has 1600 vertical resolution. That's sufficient for anything I've ever needed to do.
If you REALLY need it in portrait mode, get an ANSI mount for it that is fully articulating. Dell is pretty good about being standard compliant
Do we really need another video interface? How many does that make now?
There's wireless NTSC, PAL, SECAM, and ATSC.
There's RF cabling to carry those as well.
There's RCA-composite and S-Video. (Let's not get into all the audio options.)
You can get composite and audio on a 4-conductor headphone jack too on portable DVD players and some SlingBoxes.
IIRC Betamax had a monaural 3-conductor version too.
There's SCART.
There's component video.
There's VGA as well as 5-BNC (R,G,B,H,V).
There's ADC for Apple users, and that DB15F connector Apple used to use.
There's Sun's 13W3.
There's DVI-A (also carries VGA), DVI-D (digital-only), and Dual-link DVI.
There's HDMI, latest version being 1.3b (follows 1.3 and 1.3a, not "beta").
There's Firewire 400, and even USB 2.0 gets used for video. Multiple sizes too.
There's Unified Display Interface (UDI).
And now there's DisplayPort.
Did I miss anything? I'm sure there's lots more in just the streaming video area.
Makes HD DVD vs. Blu-ray seem like nothing, doesn't it?
Oh yeah, there's the TVs with players built into them too, so you could add VHS and DVD to the list so far. (UMD is opening that window too far.)
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I demand to know why you posted as an anonymous coward. I have mod points, and if I were to use them on you now, that would be wasting them.
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It's only a matter of time before a less restricted version of this native 24Hz mode is made by a standards body and everyone's favourite whipping boy goes into marketing mode. I can see it now:
TruSpeed, Sony's 24Hz mode found on Sony TV's and those of several other licensees, offers superior image quality than the industry standard High-Definition Synchronization, or HDSync because its name also functions as a market buzzword. Both standards provide perfect film-quality frame-by-frame synchronization of the display, but only TruSpeed offers a two-syllable solution, making it faster and lighter than its tri-syllabic competition.
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Most, if not all TVs under 40" seem to be 720p.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
For a better looking monitor from Dell, try this one http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2243334,00.asp
I had this problem initially with my Samsung 1080p LCD set (text representation was poor... fuzzy and out of focus). What I found out is that the "sharpness" setting of the television, while helpful in some instances of video display, was actually causing the problems with text display. By setting the sharpness to zero, it eliminated the issues with text such that the display is on par and indistinguishable with my actual LCD monitors.
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A cheaper part isn't necessarily more likely to break -- it could just be one that produces a slightly lower quality image. Dell has a big enough customer base that they'll sell hundreds of these to people who don't have a clue about differences in display quality but will just buy it because it's the biggest monitor Dell offers.
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Comment:I've got two 2007WFP (20") monitors and they are awesome.[snip]
Buyer beware: not all "WFP" models are created equal. The WFP models that have an 'E' or 'SP' before the number (e.g. E207WFP and SP2008WFP, both 20") use inferior 6-bit TN panels. TN panels can only display 262,144 colors and only "support" "16 million+" colors through dithering. A TN panel's viewing angles are also inferior. (I wish manufacturers would make this information more clear for their TN panels.)In contrast, the UltraSharp 2007WFP models you've got are awesome. They are true 8-bit panels that can display 16,777,216 colors and have superior viewing angles. They either use S-IPS or S-PVA panels. Of course, they are also significantly more expensive than the 6-bit TN models (but good value for 8-bit).
Just yesterday, I noticed a disturbing new (to me) model name for a Dell LCD. Dell recently released a 22" model called the "UltraSharp 2208WFP." In the past, having "UltraSharp" in the model name and no 'E' or 'SP' before the model number hinted that it was an "awesome" 8-bit panel. Not anymore. It's a freakin' 6-bit TN panel.
That said, TN models are probably good enough for most buyers. Most of today's 6-bit panels probably look better than 8-bit panels from 5 years ago. I just wish manufacturers were required to disclose the type of panel in their specs.
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Most (if not all maybe?) 720p TVs are this weird 1366x768 resolution, so even if you had a pure 720 signal, there would be scaling happening.
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I was going to get a 24" for a while, but i still haven't and now this.
1080p TVs make perfectly serviceable monitors, so you can get a lot bigger than that.
My TV is a 32" 1080p TV, and NewEgg has 24" and 28" monitors that look to really be TVs.
The problem with HDTVs as monitors is that most 30-32" models only support 1330x720, which is too low on such a large display. 30" computer monitors run at 2560x1600, to keep the pixel size roughly the same as on a 17/19/20/24". On a TV, text is going to be huge, like 15mm high.
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I'm waiting for someone, anyone to release a high DPI screen. 30" and only 2560 x 1600 resolution? I want that in a 20" screen. The only high resolution desktop screen I'm aware of is the really expensive and discontinued IBM T221, which is absolutely stunning.
Long story short, I'm very happy with my dual 3007 setup. I'll probably hang on to them for 2-3 more years, hoping for OLED and/or higher DPI at the next iteration.
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Higher DPI is the reason why I use a 20" 1600x1200 screen, which has a DPI only slightly lower than the 30" 2560x1600 screen. I find the 1400x1050 14.1" screen in my laptop a bit more to my liking though, as at that DPI the sub-pixel rendering of fonts start looking good, whereas the sub-pixel rendering on a 19" desktop LCD looks terrible.
But then I'd only have it that way for coding and browsing. For video work, 1600 wide isn't enough for 1920x1080 HD video. That's one of the reasons why I wish my Matrox TripleHead2Go box (older VGA edition) allowed its three 1280x1024 displays to be stitched together for 3072x1280. Even for gaming, there can be such a thing as too much peripheral vision. Besides, it already has 1600 vertical resolution. That's sufficient for anything I've ever needed to do. Well, sometimes you have to deal with code written by someone who doesn't know how to break a function into smaller logical segments.
What would be nice is to have the 30" landscape and then two portrait 1200x1600 displays at the same dpi flanking it, bezels removed. Saves a bit on the display costs on a multi-head setup going with the lower-res displays. Too bad I can't find any cables to split a dual-link DVI port to drive two separate displays (I guess it's a problem of two displays having to share the same clock signal), let alone a single card that would drive it that way. If you REALLY need it in portrait mode, get an ANSI mount for it that is fully articulating. ANSI? I thought VESA was the standard for such things.
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