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Pirate Yourself, Become a Best-Seller

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "It sounds like a dotcom-era business plan: 1) give it away, 2) ???, 3) make pots of money. Author Paulo 'Pirate' Coelho leapt out of obscurity and onto the best-seller list by giving away his books on the Net. The best-selling author of 'The Alchemist' will even help you pirate his books via his blog. His publishers were not pleased, but then his books went from selling 1,000 copies to 100,000 and then over a million. He gives special credit to pirate translators who are making his work accessible to a wider audience and convincing more people to read his book."

288 comments

  1. I for one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Welcome our new pirate author overlords.

    1. Re:I for one by stjobe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Is it really "piracy" if the author is the one doing the distribution? Not that I know if he's the one holding the copyright, but even so?

      I'm just really tired of the lumping together of all kinds of filesharing under the heading "piracy".

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    2. Re:I for one by sm62704 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Shiver me timbers! Yarr, it oin't piracy unless thar's blood spilled, matey. We pirates don't infrinege copyright, we rape pillage and plunder and drink gallons of rum.

      Stupid copyright infringers don't even steal, they're in trouble for giving shit away. We REAL pirates don't give nothin' away, we cut yer throat and keep it ourselves. Now get your arsse on that plank, yer gettin' keel hauled.

      While I got you here, I'm feedin' ya some Spam since thar ain't no real meat today. Now tell me before I run ya through, should I find a publisher for The Paxil Diaries?

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    3. Re:I for one by stjobe · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thank you dear pirate, sir, both for the nice spam and the very graphic description of the differences between piracy, copyright infringement and filesharing. Oh, and definately find a publisher.

      Now please would you let me off this plank?

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    4. Re:I for one by damienl451 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I concur. The problem with piracy is not that works are copied, but that they are without the author's permission. It is really rooted in a false sense of entitlement, the idea that there is a "right" to read/listen to a particular work, regardless of what the author's views on the matter are. I, for one, remain convinced that someone who spends countless days working on something deserves to be compensated for his labor *if he so chooses*. I have no right to demand that he give it away for free or cheaper than he intends. I do, however, have to ability not to buy said work, thereby expressing my discontent, and, if enough potential customers do likewise, prices will go down.

    5. Re:I for one by stjobe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How about libraries? How do these fit in with your theory of "if you want it, you need to pay for it"? And what is the difference, if any, between loaning a book from a library and downloading it off the Internet?

      As an aside, my local library now has e-books as well as audiobooks and music available over the Internet for anyone with a library card.

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    6. Re:I for one by pxlmusic · · Score: 1

      i'll take a rum over here, please. /pirate //arrrr!

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    7. Re:I for one by EB+FE · · Score: 1

      It is still piracy because the book itself and the right to print and distribute it are held by the publisher. The author sold those rights to the publisher in exchange for royalties. Technically, he is breaking the law as much as any other unauthorized distributor.

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    8. Re:I for one by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      How about libraries? How do these fit in with your theory of "if you want it, you need to pay for it"? Somebody pays for the library. It might be through taxes or some private funding, but it does cost money. Not working in a library, I don't know offhand if libraries have to purchase books or if publishers give them to libraries for free (I know a lot of books are donated, but I'd imagine those generally aren't new releases).
    9. Re:I for one by beh · · Score: 1

      Yes, I guess it still is - HE may be willing to give away free copies of his works - but his publisher might not be too happy about it (i.e. he's giving away their share of the profit as well, not just his).

    10. Re:I for one by VJ42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't know offhand if libraries have to purchase books or if publishers give them to libraries for free Having worked in both public and academic libaries (in the UK) I can confirm we have to pay for them just like anyone else; we even have to pay a fee to the British Library for an interlibrary loan if a customer wants a book that we don't have and consequently have to request a copy from them (unless we decide to buy it ourselves of course).
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    11. Re:I for one by cashman73 · · Score: 1
      This isn't really anything new at all. College professors have been putting PDF copies of their publications on their websites for several years now. While they technically own the copyright to their own work, so it's "legal" from that perspective, they "technically" sign the distribution rights away to whatever journal they publish in, so they really can't legally put copies on their own websites. Although they could legally link to the copy on the publisher's website, which would either require payment, or access via college/library IP address.

      The fact remains, however, that 95% of all professors don't give a rat's ass about protecting the so-called "rights" of the publishers. Not only do half of them post PDFs of their own work on their websites, but if somebody from a school in China or Africa emails them asking for a copy of a paper they've published, they'll generally honor that request and send it to them, which is really not much different than their student counterparts sharing their MP3 music with total strangers on the internet. The only difference is that the students are sending someone else's work to someone else (though not claiming it as their own), while the professors are generally sending someone else their own work, only violating the distribution agreement they've signed with the publishers, so it's only "minor piracy", or actually probably falls under "fair use" for educational purposes (same as distributing something to your classes for schoolwork). The other similarity here is that I think 95% of both professors and students understand real copyright law about the same (in other words, they don't know what they're talking about). Another reason that copyright law needs a major reboot in the immediate future.

    12. Re:I for one by jank1887 · · Score: 1

      depends on the terms of his contract with the publisher, and whether he retained right to copy (did he transfer the copyright, or just give the publisher license to copy, was it exclusive...). From the 'publisher getting mad' description, I would assume not, but hard to tell from the summary.

    13. Re:I for one by sm62704 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now please would you let me off this plank?

      Sure thing, matey
      *splash*

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    14. Re:I for one by Stripe7 · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is not something new, Baen books discovered this a while back. They started the Baen free library http://www.baen.com/library/defaultTitles.htm/. What they discovered was that readership in the authors books skyrocketed. What they found strange was the books posted in the Free library were the ones that started selling!

    15. Re:I for one by stjobe · · Score: 1

      Okay, somebody pays. If it's me through taxes, it's a negligible sum for what I get out of it. If it's privately funded I don't care what the cost is. Bottom line is this: I get access to a wealth of books, music, audiobooks, e-books etc. without paying anything much. Fact is, downloading from the Internet probably costs me more in hard cash, seeing as I pay for my broadband.

      So tell me again how this was supposed to work? As I see it, if I want it, I _don't_ have to pay for it. The author's views really doesn't factor into it. If he's pissed off at me downloading his work off the Internet, he should be pissed off at me for lending it from the library. Either way I'm not buying his work, right?

      Strangely enough, I don't hear many authors advocating the immediate closing of all public libraries. Then again, I don't hear many authors complaining about people illegaly downloading their books either :)

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    16. Re:I for one by Raenex · · Score: 1

      As an aside, my local library now has e-books as well as audiobooks and music available over the Internet for anyone with a library card. The library has to negotiate a licensing scheme. The author gets paid.

      If he's pissed off at me downloading his work off the Internet, he should be pissed off at me for lending it from the library. Either way I'm not buying his work, right? If you lend a physical book from the library, it was paid for, and somebody else cannot access the paid for copy. They either have to wait or buy their own copy. If you and everybody else illegally download something from the net, then the author never gets paid.
    17. Re:I for one by stjobe · · Score: 1

      The author gets paid.
      Sure. Not by me, though, so that's inconsequential to the argument.

      If you and everybody else illegally download something from the net, then the author never gets paid.
      So, if I and everybody else lend something form the library, then the author only gets paid once. Not much difference, is it?

      I guess it boils down to the much chewed-over question - are libraries stealing profits from authors? Every book on loan is a missed sale, right? Theft, plain and simple?

      Or, is it possible that illegal downloads - as well as libraries - are in another category altogether, one that has no bearing on author profits?

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    18. Re:I for one by Raenex · · Score: 1

      So, if I and everybody else lend something form the library, then the author only gets paid once. Not much difference, is it? So, if 100,000 people want to read the same book, are they all going to wait in line at The Library to read The One Paid for Copy? Or will some buy it?

      Or, is it possible that illegal downloads - as well as libraries - are in another category altogether, one that has no bearing on author profits? One is valid under copyright, and one isn't. The library model clearly limits access to resources by paying for copies (even if not every single person pays), and the illegal download model has no such restrictions.
  2. He's not the only one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    These guys recently released their newest game as a free download, with a $30 charge to register an account to play it online. Both this and TFA are exactly what us slashdotters have been telling people to do for a long while now, and it appears to be working (S2 claims they are "very impressed" with initial sales figures).

    Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with S2, nor am I a fan of their game, just their business model.

    1. Re:He's not the only one... by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Wow, that game looks pretty good. I'll definitely be downloading that tonight.

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    2. Re:He's not the only one... by c0p0n · · Score: 1

      It's great, kind of a mixture between a resource-based strategy game and a FPS... one master player controlling gathering of resources and directing strategy from above while other (real) people control the grunts and the soldiers from a first person perspective. Very innovative.

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    3. Re:He's not the only one... by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a great concept. I've always hate the fact that the grunts in most RTS games do stupid things like run right into gunfire, or fail to run away from a tank that drives right over them. There is no way a tank should be able to kill a human when the person sees it coming.

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    4. Re:He's not the only one... by Darthmalt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      At the very least this will get more people to look at their game. I've never heard of this one before but as soon as I saw it was free I decided to dl and try it. Maybe Ill get hooked and buy it or maybe ill get bored and delete it. Either way I haven't lost anything and they've gained a potential sale from someone who would never have even looked at the game before.

    5. Re:He's not the only one... by penguin_dance · · Score: 4, Informative

      Back in the day, Apogee games came up with a similar model. They put out the first in the series (usually 3 games) for free--I remember getting Commander Keen on a floppy disk with my joystick purchase. If you liked the first one, you could order the rest of the series for a nominal fee. It seemed to be a fairly successful business model.

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    6. Re:He's not the only one... by danknight · · Score: 1

      Ahhh, Commander Keen!!!, haven't thought of that one for a while!!, How about Hard Hat Mac?

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    7. Re:He's not the only one... by boristdog · · Score: 1

      Damn you guys! Now I'm going to go have to look in the floppy bin to see what I still have...

    8. Re:He's not the only one... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      It all depends on the orders.

      There was a time when it was a soldiers job to stand and be turned into sausage.

      There are occasions where that is still the case (Remember the Alamo). So the
      model of the soldier's behavior perhaps needs to be a bit more sophisticated.

      Plus, a tank can move faster than a man.

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    9. Re:He's not the only one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not in WoW type games, but I just checked out the site and I don't see anything that leads me to believe that this is free. The site says its a 5 hour DEMO account and then you are required to pay $29.99 if you want to keep playing. Or did I miss something?

    10. Re:He's not the only one... by penguin_dance · · Score: 1

      Not to mention Duke Nukem (the original, not the vaporware)!
      Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure
      Monster Bash (another Keen-like adventure)
      Wolfenstein 3D

      You can find Aliens Ate My Babysitter as a download (it was a Keen adventure comercially published by others and is considered abandonware.) Plays very nicely with DOSBox on Vista! Remember the Dopefish? Ha!

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    11. Re:He's not the only one... by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      These guys recently released their newest game as a free download, with a $30 charge to register an account to play it online Actually, one don't even have to go look at smaller game companies for this -- ArenaNet + NCsoft decided to market Guild Wars so that people can either purchase the game box as usual with the CD key included, or purchase a code from the in-game store, which is accessible from the freely downloadable game client at some ridiculous size like a few MB's, if even that. Their game client makes use of full offline game data if it's there, but if it's not, it instead simply streams the game from their servers after having made an account.

      It's also possible to do something like this in World of Warcraft, actually. You can get to playing the full game if you simply download their free trial and then choose to upgrade the trial to the full game.

      Also, Eve Online supports a similar model. They don't even sell boxed copies. You download the game for free and then simply decide for how long you want to pay to play it.

      I think easening the entry like this will keep getting more common. A whole lot are no longer on modem lines, many even on uncapped Internet subscriptions, and then not having to order and wait for a game to arrive over a few days can feel bothersome when you know that a game with a decent streaming solution in place (i.e. no need for the full game to start playing; it downloads as you go) and a credit card nearby could let you start playing it in 30 minutes.
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    12. Re:He's not the only one... by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Yes, but a man is more agile. If the tank is coming at you, you run at a path horizontal the where it's travelling. At least try to jump out of the way when it get's really close. Or, if you are in a group, and everyone scatters, the best it can do it run over 1 person, which is favorable when you consider the alternative.

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    13. Re:He's not the only one... by 01D* · · Score: 1

      s2 model is seriously crippled.

      As far as trying before buying is concerned, I'd much rather download full playable demos of ETQW or UT2004, that you can play forever without paying a dime. I still own both games though.

      And no, 5 hour trial for the game isn't enough. If you haven't tried, there's no single-player in it, and the only way you can even launch a game is to join online server. (otherwise you're stuck in tutorial).

    14. Re:He's not the only one... by Professional+Slacker · · Score: 1

      Damn, I was totally looking forward to the Savage2 release too, thanks for the reminder. But it was bitter sweet, when I went looking to download the linux client only to find out their GL programmer bailed on them so the never got the rendering engine completed for the linux client. Hopefully they'll get that cleared up soon. Savage is looking to be one of the best commercial games released for linux for a long time. I might have to download the win client anyway to tide me over.

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  3. How long have we been saying it? by erroneus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Over and over and over again; We've stated that we believe that it doesn't matter if we can get it for free or not. What matters is that we like it. And in the cases of books, movies and music, if we love it, we will want to buy a copy to place on our shelves!

    I have yet to meet anyone with enormous digital collections of copyrighted works that didn't also have enormous physical collections of copyrighted works.

    This is yet another clear illustration of what really drives the consumer and forgetting about lawyers trying to justify their existence, let the MARKETERS take notice that this is most likely to be a very successful business model for the future.

    1. Re:How long have we been saying it? by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I know tons of people. I know people with 20 GB of MP3s who don't own a single CD. I know people with spindle after spindle of burned movies who haven't bought a single DVD in their lives. I also know people who have downloaded tons of stuff but also buy a lot, and I've met people who have tons of bought stuff but don't download anything. And then there's people who are too wrapped up in something else, and don't read, listen to music, or watch movies, at least not unless it's broadcast on TV/Radio. I think that artists giving away their stuff for free, or asking for whatever the consumer thinks is a good price is a good thing, and will help them get noticed more easily. However, don't kid yourself into thinking that everyone will pay. There will always be people who will not pay. But I don't think the artists are losing much from those people anyway.

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    2. Re:How long have we been saying it? by daninspokane · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Hear Hear! I agree... I know a guy... who knows a guy.... that when this certain fellah downloads a song illegally and likes it, will hop onto Amazon and purchase it/the album. If he doesn't, to the trash it shall go (why waste my precious megabytes.. er.. his?) This is just a friend of a friend though....

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    3. Re:How long have we been saying it? by somersault · · Score: 1

      "I have yet to meet anyone with enormous digital collections of copyrighted works that didn't also have enormous physical collections of copyrighted works."

      Well, I have. I don't agree with it, but there are certainly a lot of teenagers out there who regularly download gigabytes of music (some of which no doubt they will never even listen to) without the slightest intention of ever buying any. Of course a couple of the main people that I am thinking of are Canadian and the laws for downloading music are a bit different over there. I also know a girl who always seems amazingly proud of the fact that her family can get knockoff DVDs of films that aren't even out in the cinema yet. Some people are just stupid and revel in the fact that they are getting something for nothing. I, like you, prefer to have a physical copy of my music both as a backup and so that I can play music in me car :P What this guy did does prove though that a lot of people do have a sense of decency - either that or that paper copies of books are a lot easier to read than digital ones ;)

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    4. Re:How long have we been saying it? by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But I don't think the artists are losing much from those people anyway. Exactly. You can't get blood from a stone, and a hoarder of movies/mp3s is going to do his hoarding. I grew up with a father who dubbed every movie that we rented and almost every movie that came onto HBO, almost reflexively. It was an impressive collection - almost never used, and one that ultimately cost the studios absolutely nothing.

      I think that the reason CD sales have taken such a dive is that single sales have made a comeback. People have complained for a long time that albums only contain one or two good songs. Buying those two songs as CD singles would have cost as much as the whole album, but now you can get both singles for $2 via a number of sources. It doesn't take a genius to see how going from a $15 sale to a $2 or maybe $3 sale is going to hurt the industry. When they attack piracy they are not addressing the problem. Hell, if I ever felt the slightest shred of guilt in pirating, the industry sure has cured that!
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    5. Re:How long have we been saying it? by legoman666 · · Score: 1

      My 100gb music collection begs to differ, sir. Didn't anyone tell you that all generalizations are bad? ;)

    6. Re:How long have we been saying it? by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      I don't give a rat's ass about the box sitting on my shelf. That's -never- been why I've bought something. Instead, I care about the work itself... Do I enjoy it? Do I think the author should be compensated? That's why I buy stuff.

      In fact, there's SO much out there now that I've come to the conclusion that if it's not worth obtaining legally, it's not worth my time.

      If an author (or other creator) is giving away their work, it has to be -very- good to convince me to also pay money for it. (Jonathan Coulton comes to mind... I bought his stuff.) Otherwise, I'll likely just purchase future work from them instead. (Baen.com comes to mind... They give away free ebooks and sell others... Some are sequels to the free ones.)

      But if an author has made it clear that they expect payment, I honor that... By either ignoring their work or buying it, depending on how much I think I'll value it.

      (Of course, there's also rentals and used items as well. The author doesn't gain additional compensation, but it -is- legal.)

      Oh, and it was a lot harder to be ethical when I didn't have the money for stuff. I'm not looking down on anyone who -does- pirate... I've been there and know what it's like.

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    7. Re:How long have we been saying it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "but there are certainly a lot of teenagers"

      Stop right there. Teenagers don't have a lot of money to begin with. When they will work, they will buy, just like we are doing right now.

    8. Re:How long have we been saying it? by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      I grew up with a father who dubbed every movie that we rented and almost every movie that came onto HBO, almost reflexively. It was an impressive collection - almost never used, and one that ultimately cost the studios absolutely nothing.

      Patty? Is that you?

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    9. Re:How long have we been saying it? by dmsuperman · · Score: 1

      I'm one of those people...sorta The problem is, I can't stand spending the outrageous $15 on a cd, when I only like 2 or 3 tracks off of it. I also hate iTunes, so I don't do that. I like to download CDs, listen to them, and if it seems that I like MOST of the songs on the album, I'll usually go out and purchase it (and rip it at a higher quality that I downloaded it, then usually just throw it away). There aren't many CDs like that, however.

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    10. Re:How long have we been saying it? by somersault · · Score: 1

      I used to buy CDs even as a teenager, and I didn't get a lot of money from my parents. Of course that meant I had a very limited selection of music, but I appreciated what I did have a lot more than I do now (Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness is still one of my favourite albums even though I listened to it non stop for weeks (used to code along to it).

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    11. Re:How long have we been saying it? by kdemetter · · Score: 1

      I agree with you .
      While i like the fact that i can get stuff for free , i also like to donate to artist that i think are worth it.

      But there are also songs , created in such way , that when you here it at first , you want it to hear it more , and then , after a few weeks , you realize the song actually sucks.

      If you bought it by then , you've been screwed . I'd rather givbe my money to artist that actually create timeless , good music .

    12. Re:How long have we been saying it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm one of those guys that has a mp3 collection but would never buy a lot of CD's. Not more than I do now anyway. I would copy kassette tapes if this were set in the 80's. Or I would borrow cd's or lp's from friends, or just listen to the damn radio, which I usually do at work (and sometimes at home).

      Did EVERYONE buy records in the 80's? No. Should everyone do it now? RIAA thinks every time you listen to a mp3 you are screwing them on money. No you're not. You're just not listening to the radio as much as you used to.

      In my case this does not go for all media. I do buy lots of dvd movies, but I usually download them first to see if they're worth a damn. I would never buy new movies if I didn't know they were great value to me because frankly I'm not gonna spend ~20 euros on something I don't know if it's good or not. And even if I had a good movie theatre around (which I don't), I couldn't afford to watch all movies I'd like. If I couldn't download, I wouldn't buy so many new movies. It's just a fact. I would buy the old movies still which I concider classics, but that's another story because the movie companies probably aren't making much profit on those movies anyway.

      Mr. Anonymous

    13. Re:How long have we been saying it? by s20451 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      RIAA thinks every time you listen to a mp3 you are screwing them on money. No you're not. You're just not listening to the radio as much as you used to.

      That's more of an oblique way to screw them on money, since they get paid royalties for each play on the radio. Fewer radio listeners drives down advertising rates and radio revenues, and creates downward pressure on royalties.

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    14. Re:How long have we been saying it? by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      I can't stand the price of music either. That's why I get most of my music on eMusic. There's not a lot of big name bands, so you miss out on quite a bit of music. However, I have no problem filling my monthly quota of 50 songs. In the end, I pay about $4 for a CD worth of songs, or 30 cents a song. I don't mind missing out on the big name bands when it means I'm only paying a small fraction of what most other people pay for music.

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    15. Re:How long have we been saying it? by Melbourne+Pete · · Score: 1

      Hell, if I ever felt the slightest shred of guilt in pirating, the industry sure has cured that!

      I know what you mean. My bank charged my elderly mother overdraw fees on an account that they themselves overdrew with their other fees - fees on fees if you will. The whole thing has certainly changed my view of the heist I did last month I can tell you!
    16. Re:How long have we been saying it? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I spent a lot more on music and entertainment as a teenager.

      I made a few hundred a month (80 - 150/week), and only had to buy stuff for myself.

      After gas and maintenance on my car (low mileage 20 year old car is decent shape that rarely needed anything but oil and gas), I still had hundreds left over for myself. Also, when the biggest check I ever saw was $150 saving for something real big seamed pointless. So I pissed away my money on dinners out, movies out, and CDs at a rate that would look crazy frivolous to me now. I also had more free time than now when I work 40-50 hours a week, and have a house to deal with. As much as it was frowned upon to sleep at school it is more so at work, and at school you could be really tired and noone cared as long as you sat up and looked forward.

      I would imagine that teens have way more money for CDs and Movies than adults.

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    17. Re:How long have we been saying it? by s2theg · · Score: 1

      Maktub.

    18. Re:How long have we been saying it? by wwwillem · · Score: 1

      I have yet to meet anyone with enormous digital collections of copyrighted works that didn't also have enormous physical collections of copyrighted works.

      Fully agreed, although there is often a "time shift". When I was 18 I had stacks of compact cassettes (the 1980s variant of MP3 :-), By the time I was 38 I had a much bigger stack of CDs on the shelf and the cassettes had left the house through the garbage bin. In modern MP3 terms the latter probably corresponds with "oops, my harddisk crashed and I forgot to make a backup"......

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      Browsers shouldn't have a back button!! It's all about going forward...
    19. Re:How long have we been saying it? by mpe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, I have. I don't agree with it, but there are certainly a lot of teenagers out there who regularly download gigabytes of music (some of which no doubt they will never even listen to) without the slightest intention of ever buying any.

      Which dosn't have any effect on record companies sales figures. There are three possibilities; download instead of buy; buy because of "previewing" through download and would just do without in the absence of a download. What actually matters for music sales is the first two. (Whilst the industry likes to pretend that the only the first happens the reality is that the majority of downloaders are probably in the third catagory.)

      I also know a girl who always seems amazingly proud of the fact that her family can get knockoff DVDs of films that aren't even out in the cinema yet.

      Which indicates a problem with the current movie distribution system. Television also has similar issues.

    20. Re:How long have we been saying it? by Siener · · Score: 1

      But I don't think the artists are losing much from those people anyway.

      Exactly ... and on the upside you are probably getting lots of free word of mouth marketing from them.
    21. Re:How long have we been saying it? by Angst+Badger · · Score: 2, Informative

      But I don't think the artists are losing much from those people anyway.

      Indeed. The 16-year-old with a pirated copy of 3D Studio Max couldn't afford a legitimate copy if he or she wanted one. This is the problem with the absurd estimates of piracy losses groups like the BSA come up with. How many of those millions of copies of software would actually have been sold if they couldn't be pirated? Probably relatively few. The same applies to other media.

      Books probably do represent a special case to some extent, though. Not very many people want to read an entire book on a monitor, and book lovers really do love physical books. So if they get a digital copy, read a couple of chapters, and enjoy it, they'll probably want the real thing. Baen Books has been making money hand over fist on that theory. This is probably a bit less true of music and software, where a copy is just as good as the original.

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    22. Re:How long have we been saying it? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I could get into the whole difference between IP and real property - but I suspect you've heard it before. When you rob a bank, you deprive a bank of it's assets. When you download an MP3, you deprive no one anything. You may or may not have "cost them a sale", depending on a variety of factors.

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      W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
    23. Re:How long have we been saying it? by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      But there are also songs , created in such way , that when you here it at first , you want it to hear it more , and then , after a few weeks , you realize the song actually sucks.
      Sometimes I think that's by design. Get people to like the song enough to by the CD, but make it so that they won't want to listen to it after a couple of months, so they will go and buy more music.
      --

      Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
    24. Re:How long have we been saying it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those are the same people who would still have 0 physical cds if there was no internet.

      Some people just don't buy those kind of things regardless.

    25. Re:How long have we been saying it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? I've been giving away free stuff for years, and not made a penny out of it.
      (No, really.)

    26. Re:How long have we been saying it? by Sobrique · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I've seen keygens of the most obscure, niche bits of software out there. Back when it was still new, there was a rather professional looking keygen for VMWare ESX doing the rounds. This is a software product that _only_ runs on a rather short hardware list, and most of it is 'server room spec'.

      So I have this theory, that it was actually released by the software company itself, in a 'we didn't do that, honest' kind of way. Because it gets conslutants out there skilled, and able to 'test' and understand their product, without having to jump through the hoops of a corporate acquisition process.

      They charged for support, and upgrades anyway, and we paid for support on our production servers, Couldn't justify the license cost on our 'test' server though.

      The 'evaluation' code was fine for a business eval, but for someone who's doing it on their 'private time' it's not long enough. And I remain confident, they'd have never seen the rather large chunk of business we threw their way if we hadn't had people using it at home, and playing with it, and declaring it 'something we should check out'.

    27. Re:How long have we been saying it? by erroneus · · Score: 1

      Half Price Books was one of the places I visited for music. I don't recall ever shopping retail back in those days unless I was begging my parents for something 'new.' As a teenager, I couldn't keep myself in SOCKS let alone musical entertainment. The "CD" was a new thing back then and vinyl and mag tape were the norm. Those were much more simple times weren't they? At least it seemed so...spending hours on end listening to music and playing with my computer...

      Here's the trouble as I see it:

      The industry is currently being led by lawyers and accountants instead of marketers. Marketers make it their business to understand their customers. The current leadership couldn't care less. Marketing understands the concept of "loss leaders" and maintaining "market share" and "market activity" and why these are all important to the over-all net income picture. In the minds of lawyers and accountants, profits and losses are diametric opposites. In the minds of marketers, profits and losses are just factors of the same whole.

      The share holders of big media need to return to remembering these concepts because they have always worked and will continue to work. You can't "control" the weather and you can't "control" your consumers. They've been trying to "control" their artists (you know, the writers, the actors, the song-writers and the singers) and we've unanimously observed a general decrease in quality followed by a general decrease in interest in the consumer public. This is not working well for them either. Will their businesses have to die entirely before they see what they are doing wrong?!

    28. Re:How long have we been saying it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My dad was the same way, he must have spent thousands on all those blank VHS tapes. I can only recall ever actually watching more than a handful of them. By now those tapes are probably all unwatchable, I haven't watched a VHS tape in a long time but the last time I did the tape was about 10 years old and the image quality was horrible.

    29. Re:How long have we been saying it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A good example is the game Oblivion. As far as I know the DVD doesn't have any copy protection and look how that game bombed. :P

    30. Re:How long have we been saying it? by Sancho · · Score: 1

      For current copyright, it doesn't matter. Copyright means that I get to control distribution of my own work, period. We can argue all day about what's more profitable, but in the end, it doesn't matter. If the music publisher doesn't want anyone to get their work for free, that's their choice. It may be an honest, informed choice (meaning that they know that their profits may actually be reduced under this mindset) or it may not be. In fact, there's actually no way to prove that allowing downloads stimulates sales, or that after 3 years (say) of allowing downloads, the majority of people won't start downloading instead of buying.

      I believe that the latter case is probably true. Some bands have gotten away with alternative music distribution, but I wonder how many people didn't support them largely because they were trying something new. If everyone started doing it, would people still support their favorites? Obviously, it's impossible to say.

    31. Re:How long have we been saying it? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      All forms of media would be best served if a new group of old school DJ's arose.

      These would be enthusiasts that have the time and inclination to sort
      through everything and filter out most of the noise.

      --
      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    32. Re:How long have we been saying it? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Did your dad record them all in crappy EP mode to put 3 movies on one tape? :)

      Mine did. I inherited some of these tapes as I used them as blanks. Lemme see... this one has "My Favorite Year", "Diner", and "Cannery Row" on it, and appears to have moldy tape. Yuck. "Animal House" gets its own tape - he must have liked that one. This one says "Moon Over Parador", "Giants of the Air", and "Bomber". Another with "Great Outdoors", "Caddyshack II", and "The Natural". Finally, we have "Halloween Treats w/Disney", "City Slickers", and "Terminator 2".

      That last one is my handwriting, so clearly he had enlisted me at some point :)

      --
      W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
    33. Re:How long have we been saying it? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      You have legal rights to control distribution and that's where it should end.

      If someone is distributing your work, you should get the right to sue them or have them arrested and that should be the end of it.

      You shouldn't get to meddle in technology, or what other products can be offered for sale.

      You shouldn't have the right to prevent copying.

      You shouldn't have the right to sabotage your "payment" for the "privelege" of getting to
      control your work for a limited time, to serve a particular public policy objective, that
      requires government to interfere in fundemental economic principles.

      --
      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    34. Re:How long have we been saying it? by DerangedAlchemist · · Score: 1

      RIAA thinks every time you listen to a mp3 you are screwing them on money. No you're not. You're just not listening to the radio as much as you used to.

      That's more of an oblique way to screw them on money, since they get paid royalties for each play on the radio. Fewer radio listeners drives down advertising rates and radio revenues, and creates downward pressure on royalties.
      You must be from Europe or something. In North America artists must pay for radio air time.
    35. Re:How long have we been saying it? by stjobe · · Score: 3, Funny

      conslutants
      Freudian misspelling or intentional? Either way, nice one :)
      --
      "Total destruction the only solution" - Bob Marley
    36. Re:How long have we been saying it? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Now, now - don't demonize... he could be a perfectly reasonable person who just hasn't really thought about copyright much. If the only exposure to copyright you've had is from the entertainment industry, you can be forgiven for confusing IP for the real thing.

      --
      W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
    37. Re:How long have we been saying it? by Reziac · · Score: 1

      For music and movies, one exact digital copy may be as good as the next, but there's still a sense of security that comes from having your very own commercial hardcopy on the shelf -- it's just like having a known-good backup of any other data. Even a copied disk doesn't feel as secure (and probably isn't, given the iffy lifespan of writable disks).

      Also, I've noticed is that people who never buy hardcopies tend to regard their digital collection as ephemeral and expendable. They typically don't make backups of any sort. (Tho sheer size can prohibit that. There again .. the commercial disk is an efficient backup.)

      --
      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    38. Re:How long have we been saying it? by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      SLP 8 hour tapes FTW.

      --

      Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
    39. Re:How long have we been saying it? by Nosferatu+Alucard · · Score: 1

      I've got a similar outlook. If I'm in the mood to listen to a band's CD, I look to buy it. It's over $12 before taxes, I don't buy it. Instead, I acquire it through other means. Fortunately, the bands I really like are the ones I actually got for less than $12.
       
      With books, if I really like a book, I buy it and keep it on the shelf, and every now and then people notice it and ask, and I offer to let them borrow it. I still do all my reading on the computer because reading from a book gives me a headache (no idea why). I do enjoy having a collection of books I can reference or loan out though.

    40. Re:How long have we been saying it? by LogicHoleFlaw · · Score: 1

      No no no. Conslutants do it for fun. Consultants do it for the money!

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      -- Flaw
    41. Re:How long have we been saying it? by shmlco · · Score: 1

      Personally, I think the telling point is whether or not you would have paid for a copy if no free version was available. If so, and you're still using the free version then you've definitely deprived the artist of a sale.

      When I was growing up we always managed to find money for the music we wanted.

      Today, most of the arguments I see are simply rationalizations for keeping your money and spending it on something else.

      --
      Any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.
    42. Re:How long have we been saying it? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Personally, I think the telling point is whether or not you would have paid for a copy if no free version was available. If so, and you're still using the free version then you've definitely deprived the artist of a sale. It's true - I spent most of my disposable income on CDs as a kid.

      But by '91 or so (sophomore in high school) I was so disillusioned that I pretty much had stopped... I was so sick of buying a whole CD only to find just 1 or 2 good songs. That is when some friends of mine gave me some (obviously illegal!) cassette tapes with some of what they considered good albums. I believe the one I listened to the most was a two sided tape with "The Darling Buds" and "The Soup Dragons", not that it matters.

      The point is that I went out and bought everything produced by those two artists, because they made albums instead of songs. And I never would have even heard of them if it weren't for illegal copying.

      Sometimes it backfires - I'll freely admit that. I never bought "License to Ill", yet listened to it frequently. There were others like that. I had friends who completely subsisted on mix tapes and bootlegs. One of my friends loved my CDs and just came over with stacks of blank tapes. But my point is that I began to spend money on music again, and the RIAA had my bootlegging friends to thank.
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      W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
    43. Re:How long have we been saying it? by shmlco · · Score: 1

      "But my point is that I began to spend money on music again, and the RIAA had my bootlegging friends to thank."

      You [singular] began spending money again thanks to your bootlegging friends [plural].

      Pretty much sums up the entire problem, doesn't it?

      --
      Any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.
  4. Well, good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Putting aside the precise legal details of his situation, anyone who succeeds at making a living off freely-distributed content is worth more than an army of w4r3z kiddie morons howling about how they get to break the law because "Yuor busines model is obsolete!"

  5. Corroborating evidence by stjobe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Baen Free Library has had much the same experience. Give it away free, sales go up.

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    "Total destruction the only solution" - Bob Marley
  6. Before claiming RIAA should learn by Splab · · Score: 4, Insightful

    consider this. When you read a book its natural for you to sit with it, printed, preferably in some handy format where you turn pages. It makes sense to let people try before they buy. Personally I sit in my La-Z-Boy with a pot of tea, its nice comfy and let me really enter the world(s) of the book.

    Music however got digitized. People don't own high end equipment any longer because the sound will still suck, we are used to music being digital and convenient. A lot of people have gotten used to the idea of music being something massively stored in a box on the network. When you got the music in digital format pirated you don't get any additional value by buying the CD.

    RIAA/MPAA still need to get their act together and treat their costumers with respect. (He talks about getting to know your audience)

    On a side note, I'm definitely grabbing a copy of the book (as in printed kind from a store) to check it out.

    1. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by TheNinjaroach · · Score: 1

      [quote]When you got the music in digital format pirated you don't get any additional value by buying the CD.[/quote] Sure you do, some of my favorite albums have the best album art. Besides if you only listen to your digital pirated copies, you'll have a perfectly unscratched, original CD to keep as an archive. There are other neat tricks they can put into the authentic purchase of the CD, like getting to buy concert tickets a few days in advance if you can show you bought the disc.

      I'm not saying it's something I do very often, but when my favorite bands have a new album coming out I'm not ashamed to grab a copy off the net, pre-release, then buy the disc when it goes on sale.

      --
      I went to eat some animal crackers and the box said, "Do not eat if seal is broken." I opened the box and sure enough..
    2. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by Nursie · · Score: 1


      Bull poop.

      It works exactly the same way.

      Maybe not for people younger than my generation (I'm 29) who are growing up around digital music, but everyone I know who like music has large electronic collections as a convenience, but buys loads in cd form either beforehand and ripping, or after downloading. You listen, you like it, you want the cd.

    3. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by Kamineko · · Score: 1

      When you got the music in digital format pirated you don't get any additional value by buying the CD.


      Obvious solution: put things on or with the CD that would increase the value but would be difficult to reproduce. Say... all of the seperate tracks used to mix the song in infinite quality FLAC format, perchance? :)
    4. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, this does work for music too, at least in my case. Before I got a vast quantity of music from friends, copying iPods or ripping their CDs (or taking their already ripped MP3s), I had next to no CDs. It was rare for me to buy them. I now own more CDs then I know what to do with, literally. I had a stand for CDs that I actually filled up. I now have a bunch sitting around my desk and more crammed into drawers near my desk. The fact is without that music I never would've bought much. I was not a huge fan of radio (and still am not). I am very picky about my music now, but I do actually buy CDs on occasion. I still try to avoid RIAA CDs as much as possible, and those I do buy I buy used. I have gone from no real legal music to enough to fill my 16 GB iPod touch, and there are still a few gigs worth that won't fit on there.

      So take that RIAA. This applies to the MPAA as well. I originally downloaded a lot of movies in college, but I have since bought most of them now that I have income. (I also am a big fan of short theater-to-DVD release cycles. From movie launch to DVD release should be short, preferably three months with six months max. (Though we have seen this more and more now that they have realized how much money is to be made from DVDs.)

    5. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by PowerEdge · · Score: 1

      I agree. With a purchased CD I can encode at a rate that it more pleasing to me than what Apple or Microsoft deem it to be. I have unlimited rights to the copy and archival of the media. I have a master CD I can store away. There are plenty of advantages to a physical medium. I am still miffed that SACD and/or DVD Audio never took off.

    6. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I hate to sound like some big businessman who clearly knows nothing but buzzwords, but perhaps Games as a Service (much like software as a service) is kinda the way to go. Now maybe I don't know what that really means, but if I could just point to an example such as Ubuntu. Its free. However they still make money from selling tech support among other things. So why can't games do the same? Give away the free single player game, then charge for the online, either once or as a subscription (much as was said earlier about Savage 2). Course I guess it would simply turn all games into MMO games in essense, plus single player game content would take a back seat to the multiplay content, so games like MassEffect wouldn't appear as attractive. I suppose in the end, its entirely up to the developer and the game at hand to determine the most optimal pricing structure, because one structure for all games simply cannot work.

    7. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by elrous0 · · Score: 1
      That was my first thought too. Just because this works for books, it doesn't necessarily follow that it will also work for music/movies/software. A digital book still has to be printed out (unless you want to read it on some crappy ebook reader, which still suck) to be read comfortably. Often it's worth buying just to avoid the hassle (giving you a nice paper, binding, quality printing, etc.). The same cannot be said for music and other formats which are actually WORSE on their purchased counterparts (who wants to juggle a bunch of CD's in 2008?!?!).

      About the only other format that is might inherently lend itself to this are movies. It's still impractical to download even a DVD-sized movie (unless you compress the shit out of it with divx or xvid or some other format that doesn't look nearly as good as the original DVD). DVD's, HD-DVD's, and Blu-rays are relatively cheap and offer a pretty consistent quality picture (with stuff like anamorphic enhancement that you're not going to get out of a download). They also come with bonus features, booklets, a case, and a solid piece of physical media that can't be accidentally erased or turned-off by the DRM holder. In short, movies are still worth the purchase. So it is conceivable that someone could put their movie out there on the pirate networks and see a resulting boost in sales of the DVD.

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      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    8. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by dasunt · · Score: 1

      Er, did music start to suck because it became digital, or did music start to suck because of the loudness war?

      Also, I do like to buy CDs due to album art and a wish to support the artist.

    9. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Problem with that is, it's stupid easy to pirate THAT as well.

    10. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by Kamineko · · Score: 1

      They'd have to be infinite quality, though! Really, really, massively big!

    11. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by vajaradakini · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It makes sense to let people try before they buy.

      I think this is also why bookstores put comfy armchairs in the aisles near the books. Well, that and the fact that the longer people stay in the store, the more likely they are to buy more things.

      I disagree about the cds though. There is a bit to be gained, usually a cd will have the booklet with lyrics and artwork and all this and that. Plus with the cd, you can put it into any digital format you want, but I'm not sure you can convert .mp3 files into .ogg files or something like this if you prefer the latter.

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      what's that now?
    12. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by niceone · · Score: 1

      Hmm, yeah, hasn't worked for me..... yet :)

    13. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by pxlmusic · · Score: 1

      or you could provide a nice packaging, a collector's tin, stickers, etc.

      --
      "If for any reason you're not satisfied with our service, I hate you."
    14. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by sm62704 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      History says you're wrong. Here's how your post would have looked 2k years ago:

      When you read a scroll its natural for you to sit with it, hand-printed, preferably in some handy format where you unroll and roll. It makes sense to let people try before they buy. Personally I sit in my bed with a pot of wine, its nice comfy and let me really enter the world(s) of the scroll.

      [1500 years later]

      Music however got recorded. People don't own musical instruments any longer because the sound will still suck, we are used to music being played by professionals. A lot of people have gotten used to the idea of music being something massively stored in a shelf. When you got the music in recorded format you don't get any additional value by seeing the performance live.


      -mcgrew
      (No spam for YOU!)

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      mcgrew's razor: Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greedy self-interest
    15. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by Lumpy · · Score: 0

      Music however got digitized. People don't own high end equipment any longer because the sound will still suck...

      I need to tell my high end customers that... They are convinced that their HD audio collection that is all digital sounds fantastic, they are so convinced that I am fooled by it as well. many tracks from http://www.musicgiants.com/ sound better than any thing I have ever heard in my life.

      but then I am listening on their $14,000.00 speakers through their $9,000.00 Anthem stereo, played on their "puter".

      Truth is that digitized music sounds better than any record played on any turntable, Just because the low grade crap that the RIAA pumps out on the cheap CD's sounds like crap or the mp3's downloaded online are the same crap compressed harder does not mean the format is crap.

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      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    16. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      This is not a "give it away, charge for extras" or Game as a service - It's a free trial

      The game itself is only playable for 5 hours before you need to register (and pay) and it call this a Demo

      This is more like Demoware than Game as a service ...

      But saying that it will work since the boxed copy you buy just sits on a shelf and the downloaded game is exactly the same, like the music industry they are selling something that can be downloaded easier than buying it, so the way of stopping freeloaders (pirates) is to sell something else, in this case an online gaming service ....

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      Puteulanus fenestra mortis
    17. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by AndGodSed · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Well I bet this /. story will be good for sales...

    18. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by Nebu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Give away the free single player game, then charge for the online, either once or as a subscription

      This would essentially kill adventure games (Monkey Island, Maniac Mansion, etc.), and single player, story oriented RPGs (e.g. Chrono Trigger) -- two of my favorite genres.

      Has anyone ever made a decent (massively?) multiplayer adventure game? (This is not rhetorical, but a genuine inquiry of curiosity)

    19. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one deal with either media be it a physical book or a laptop just fine. I've read around 200 digital books.

      I have approximately 150 physical books but something like 1000 ebooks. Unfortunately for most authors of e-books they seem to think a digital version should cost that of a paperback or hardcover in some cases. So I'll never buy e-books until the price is reasonable. "7.50 for a digital copy of a book is fucking idiocy!" zooba.com will send me a hardcover for less than $10.00.

      To me a reasonable price is 1.00 to 1.50 it's not as if it takes but a minimal of bandwith and time to provide an e-book. DRM is of course the other reason I won't buy them. Too many people getting ripped off when ***.com goes out of business. If I can't share it I won't pay for it. Between me and my parents we've shared 100's of books over the years.

      Don't get me wrong though nothing replaces a real physical book yet."I wish I had a kindle just to see it in action!" I have acclimated myself to reading on a laptop but most people are not comfortable doing so.

      For my part I'll pirate e-books and continue to buy physical books which can be shared.

    20. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always buy my keys to play online online for a few bucks @ some russian site. Developers should sell just them and link to the .torrent on their website. That way there is no traffic wasted...

    21. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      I read, in Wired, something interesting about the audio on DVD Movies. It seems like there's a problem with the audio not being normallized so all the sounds are loud. When you go from loud scenes to quiet scenes, you constantly have to adjust the volume so you can hear what people are saying. Unless you have a nicely set up 5.1 channel system, with a good centre channel, it's often hard to hear the dialogue unless you turn up the volume to the point where it gets uncomfortably loud during high action scenes. I know I've seen this problem a lot myself. Does anybody else find this to be a problem?

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      Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
    22. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by IdeaMan · · Score: 1

      Interesting... so what you're saying is that music needs to go back to analog. Preferably some format that can't easily be matched digitally. Probably something like analog CD with analog error correction, with much higher fidelity than CD. You'd get the old school $500 turntable audiophiles back, and the new audio crazies with their $500 wooden knobs. The analog CD would lose fidelity when sampled down to a mere 44k-16, so it would prompt people that liked the music to buy the CD. The trick is getting a good analog error correction algorithm that doesn't take up much space.

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    23. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by IdeaMan · · Score: 1

      No, add an analog track to the CD. Use it to error correct/average/overlay the digital copy. The quality of the output would end up being much higher than 44k/16 and would be impossible to reproduce using standard equipment. You could have several analog tracks, including one to restore the dynamic range that was destroyed by the nasty compression used by the commercial pablum producers.
      It would require a new type of CD player, but all you gotta do is pitch it as a business opportunity.

      By adding an analog correction track and keeping the digital track, you maintain backwards compatibility. It can even be done with one read head. You just need to buffer the entire song first.

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    24. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      The RIAA shouldn't have customers because they add no value to the process now. However the MPAA companies are the studios who get films made. Now they COULD use a business model similar to the now defunct shareware model. Basically give it away for free but let people also choose to pay for it if they want to.

    25. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      The movie doesn't look as good as the original DVD, but most people don't really care. The only reason DVD killed VHS was because you didn't have to rewind, and they didn't wear out as fast. It wasn't necessarily because of quality. People didn't get TVs you could notice the quality difference on until much later. I think the major problem with downloading movies is that people like to watch them on their TV. And most people don't have a computer hooked up to their TV. They also don't want to burn a DVD just to watch a movie.

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    26. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by servognome · · Score: 1

      Course I guess it would simply turn all games into MMO games in essense, plus single player game content would take a back seat to the multiplay content, so games like MassEffect wouldn't appear as attractive.
      Not necessarily. The technology is there to create single player content in an online format. For example if I run into an MMO instance alone, I'm essentially playing a single player game. The real question is why keep an online game single player. Once you have all these people logged in together, why not allow them to interact and promote a community.
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    27. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by Tacvek · · Score: 1

      Course I guess it would simply turn all games into MMO games in essense, plus single player game content would take a back seat to the multiplay content, so games like MassEffect wouldn't appear as attractive.
      Not necessarily. The technology is there to create single player content in an online format. For example if I run into an MMO instance alone, I'm essentially playing a single player game. The real question is why keep an online game single player. Once you have all these people logged in together, why not allow them to interact and promote a community. Because that would immediately cause some people to lose interest. I have no interest at all in an MMO. Every one I have seen requires lots of hard work to get anywhere, and are just not enjoyable. For example, any game with a real economy eventually inflates to the point that no new player can purchase anything, sue to the inflation. Not to mention that in such games, it is generally much easier for the older players to get larger amounts of money, as doing that requires skills or abilities that can only be improved over time. Meanwhile I've basically no money, no skills, no real way to advance beyond the very begging of the game without spending months. Spending months at the very beginning of a game really does not sound like fun to me. However, games that use the community's content without having any direct interaction with the community can be far more entertaining and interesting. See Spore for a great example.
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    28. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by KefabiMe · · Score: 1

      RockBand and Guitar Hero 3 allow you to buy tracks online. RockBand is releasing Metallica One and one of Nirvana's CD, along with the many Police, Radiohead, Weezer, and other singles already available for purchase. I do not buy CDs, but I have definitely bought my share of songs online. (Also interesting, the record labels have gotten a good chunk of change from these sales, and almost every song featured in Guitar Hero and RockBand have seen their radio play and sales go up.)

    29. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by servognome · · Score: 1

      I have no interest at all in an MMO. Every one I have seen requires lots of hard work to get anywhere, and are just not enjoyable.
      MMOs don't represent the possibilities for the technology. The reason MMOs are made to be grindfests is the developers want you to continue playing the exact same game for the same subscription fee. Meanwhile, it is possible to have instancing of different games or different themes on the same game. All that's really different between a World of Warcraft instance and a Neverwinter Night's campaign is the gameplay design.

      Meanwhile I've basically no money, no skills, no real way to advance beyond the very begging of the game without spending months. Spending months at the very beginning of a game really does not sound like fun to me.
      So basically you want to have everything handed to you in the beginning? In KOTOR I spent the first quarter of the game without a lightsaber, not much fundamentally different other than in MMOs you can see those players who put forth the effort before you... sounds more like jealousy than the actual game. Rarely does it take months to get beyond the very beginning of the game, in fact the biggest problem with most MMOs is that once you get to the end (level cap), there isn't much to do.
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    30. Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn by Tacvek · · Score: 1

      I have no interest at all in an MMO. Every one I have seen requires lots of hard work to get anywhere, and are just not enjoyable.
      MMOs don't represent the possibilities for the technology. The reason MMOs are made to be grindfests is the developers want you to continue playing the exact same game for the same subscription fee. Meanwhile, it is possible to have instancing of different games or different themes on the same game. All that's really different between a World of Warcraft instance and a Neverwinter Night's campaign is the gameplay design.

      Meanwhile I've basically no money, no skills, no real way to advance beyond the very begging of the game without spending months. Spending months at the very beginning of a game really does not sound like fun to me.
      So basically you want to have everything handed to you in the beginning? In KOTOR I spent the first quarter of the game without a lightsaber, not much fundamentally different other than in MMOs you can see those players who put forth the effort before you... sounds more like jealousy than the actual game. Rarely does it take months to get beyond the very beginning of the game, in fact the biggest problem with most MMOs is that once you get to the end (level cap), there isn't much to do.

      I have tried some where the inflation is to the point that some of the basic equipment (intended to be gotten at the very beginning) really is far out of reach. The ability to get the funds necessary is a real challenge, unless you wish to put in additional real world money into the game by buying funds from other players in violation of the TOS.

      But there are other problems with such games. If it is not possible to have a regular playing schedule much of the social aspects of those games can fall apart.

      As for the nothing left to do part, the obvious thing is to stop playing. When there is nothing left to do in a non-online game, you arte finished, no more reason to play.

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  7. On a related subject by Robotech_Master · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm going to be interviewing Phil & Kaja Foglio live this weekend about this very issue: why they decided to stop selling individual print issues of their Girl Genius comic book and turn it into a free webcomic to sell more trade paperbacks and hardcover collections. Call in with questions of your own.

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    1. Re:On a related subject by Slashidiot · · Score: 1

      Phil and Kaja Foglio were two of my favourite illustrators for Magic: The Gathering cards! (particularly Phil had some great illustrations, with a great sense of humour). I did not know they had a web comic. I took a look and it looks lovely. I might end up buying the hardcover... Seems this business model works, after all.

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    2. Re:On a related subject by julesh · · Score: 1

      I'm firmly convinced Girl Genius is the best webcomic around at the moment.

    3. Re:On a related subject by julesh · · Score: 1

      I'm going to be interviewing Phil & Kaja Foglio live this weekend about this very issue: why they decided to stop selling individual print issues of their Girl Genius comic book and turn it into a free webcomic to sell more trade paperbacks and hardcover collections. Call in with questions of your own.

      Sounds cool.

      For anyone interested in Phil & Kaja's business model, they talked about it at the UIUC Reflections/Projections conference last year. Video here. (It's also worth watching the Randall Munroe video while you're there.)

  8. Not the first to notice it, but a different way. by NorbrookC · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He's not the first author to notice that "giving away" (quotes intended) your books via the Internet leads to increased sales. This might be called an extension of what Baen discovered several years ago. Let people read your books "for free," don't stick restrictions on them, and quite a number of them will end up purchasing those books and others by the author.

    I think he's one of the first to really show that encouraging "piracy" actually leads to increased book sales. Obviously, you have to be a good writer in the first place - if your stuff sucks, it doesn't matter whether you give it away or not - but if you are, it'll encourage people to read what you're writing, and buy your books. Somehow, I think that this will get lost on the "suits" at the major publishers, though.

  9. Won't work with games either... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the same is true of games, but that wont stop the slashdot crowd from

    a) saying the games companies are stupid not to copy this model and
    b) somehow using this to justify pirating games.

    1. Re:Won't work with games either... by navygeek · · Score: 4, Interesting

      the same is true of games, but that wont stop the slashdot crowd from a) saying the games companies are stupid not to copy this model and b) somehow using this to justify pirating games. You're wrong. Take, for example, Stardock's "Galactic Civilization II". The game has NO copy protection and NO way to prevent you from installing and playing a pirated copy. Yes, they use serial numbers to activate accounts to download the patches, but you can download those from a number of places without activation - in practice, there is no real prevention method in place. Yet the company sold enough copies of the game to produce two expansions AND still profit.
    2. Re:Won't work with games either... by Klaus_1250 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Stardock understands the people who play GC. They listen to the community, put in hard work in making every release/expansion pack well worth your money and you can pre-order which gives you access to the beta (and allows you to give feedback during development) and saves you a couple of dimes. I've purchased/pre-ordered them all and I don't regret it, even though I could have just downloaded it for "free". I just don't mind paying for value.

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    3. Re:Won't work with games either... by eison · · Score: 1

      I dunno, I bought the first game in the store, and hated their serial number activation garbage so much that I refused to consider buying the next. I certainly wouldn't hold it up as a good model to emulate, it treated me, a legitimate customer with a store-bought copy, like a suspect who had to prove he wasn't a thief.

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  10. No Substitute by DigitalisAkujin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is no and never will be (in the foreseeable future) a substitute for printed paper books.
    This is why people will continue to buy books and how publishers should be making money in this new economy.

    1. Re:No Substitute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree. There is no convenient and affordable format to read electronic books without squinting or issues as of yet. People like books because even turning a page on e-book readers takes more energy away from reading. Create a platform for easy, cheap and similar reading but electronically, and you will see music and e-books go the same way. Why put it on a shelf if a library can fit on a USB stick? CD and DVDs were just as "sacred".

      The majority of the buyers of books are not purchasing old books with unique leather-bound versions found in the mom-and-pop stores of antiquity. They are paperbacks bought from superstores and these same people will read Cohelo in the Tube and in the doctor's office from their paper-thin, foldable, e-book platform where they can read 100+ books at the touch of a finger, instead of that ONE they brought in their bag. It's just a matter of time, the will is there, but the method is not yet.

      Me? I collect out of print, small press, leather-bound books... Always will, but I like to read conveniently when not collecting...

    2. Re:No Substitute by eMartin · · Score: 1

      If the movies are any indication, we will one day be able to carry around a single sheet of transparent(!) material that will be able to display anything and be read by holding it up against a light background.

      I can't see how books can stand up against something like that.

    3. Re:No Substitute by quintessentialk · · Score: 1

      There is no and never will be (in the foreseeable future) a substitute for printed paper books.

      That's a ridiculous thing to say. Haven't we learned using words like 'never' and 'always' is dangerous? I heard an editor from the New York Times say the same thing about printed newspapers not a week ago, and he's already wrong. Maybe there will still be a market for books indefinitely, but I doubt it will because there is a lack of replacements.

      Most of the advantages of books that I can see:
      1. Easier to read because of higher resolution, contrast, reflective vs. backlit display, higher quality typography, etc.
      2. Don't depend on batteries or proximity to civilization.
      3. Are a durable, physical good.
      4. Have a re-sale market
      5. Have an old-timey 'aesthetic' that some people enjoy.

      However...

      1. Just a question of technology; already progress is being made.
      2. Hasn't stopped ipod.
      3. Hasn't stopped online music sales or online piracy.
      4. Likewise. Many people apparently don't care about this.
      5. Yes, and there is a market for LPs and turntables. But not because there isn't a replacement.
    4. Re:No Substitute by maxume · · Score: 1

      So how long is the foreseeable future?

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    5. Re:No Substitute by Sancho · · Score: 1

      Most of the advantages of books that I can see:
      1. Easier to read because of higher resolution, contrast, reflective vs. backlit display, higher quality typography, etc.
      2. Don't depend on batteries or proximity to civilization.
      3. Are a durable, physical good.
      4. Have a re-sale market
      5. Have an old-timey 'aesthetic' that some people enjoy. There's nothing technologically stopping us from ignoring number 1 today. e-paper is considered to be a perfectly viable substitute by most who have seen it. And while it still relies on energy to change the text, once the text is on the page, no energy is required to maintain it. Lighting and contrast becomes the biggest issue, but even then, it's not that bad.

      I can see a future (medium distance) where you can buy 100 pages of e-paper bound like a book, with an interface that lets you load books onto it and display them as text on the pages. Flip through it, and when you reach the last page, turn it over and the next 100 pages will load up automatically.

      I don't think you'll ever get rid of number 5--there are people even today who still prefer records.

      2. Hasn't stopped ipod.
      3. Hasn't stopped online music sales or online piracy. The biggest difference here is that songs are short and not necessarily listened to in any particular order. I have finished a book while out and about and wished that I had another that I could start, but it's pretty rare. I never think, "Man, I'd like to sit down and read chapter 3 of Good Omens." Music is a pretty different beast. I might want to carry around a thousand songs because I might be in the mood for different types of music at any given time.

      I have, very rarely, read multiple books at once. Maybe other people do this more often, and I'm just not aware of it, but that's the only reason I can think of to want to carry around dozens of books at once on an e-reader.
  11. In piratese... by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's spelled authaaaaaar.

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    1. Re:In piratese... by AceJohnny · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's spelled authaaaaaar. Fool, know you nothing of pirate linguistics? You extend the consonants, not the vowels!!! it's "autharrrrrrr" !
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    2. Re:In piratese... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Fool Know ye nothin' of insultin', you lily-livered, muck-swabbin', chum bucket eatin', son of a scurvied land lubbin' dog?
    3. Re:In piratese... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Somebody trod on my toe while I was posting. Er, I mean a cannonball took me other leg off, matey, so it did.

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    4. Re:In piratese... by Redlazer · · Score: 3, Funny
      If he was a dyslexic pirate, it would be "raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa", in which case the vowels are extended.

      So OP, are you a dyslexic pirate?

      -Red

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    5. Re:In piratese... by seanonymous · · Score: 1

      I, for one, welcome our dyslexic pirate overlords.

    6. Re:In piratese... by Redlazer · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean "For I, one, dyslexic our overlords pirates."?

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    7. Re:In piratese... by Bairradino · · Score: 1

      How bizaaaaarre... If u get it for free, it actually becomes more porpulaaaaar??? "Feed him nothing..."

  12. Effective by design by Wiseman1024 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Such a strategy is effective by design. This is the problem with businessmen. They think they are so clever with everything they do from abusing imaginary property and patents to cutting costs in quality, but they're actually making less money than a smarter person (who can be ungreedy, or just as greedy) would. Every time a businessman smiles after cutting some cost or forcing someone to pay more does because he's too stupid to realize what he has lost.

    Tag effectivebydesign

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    1. Re:Effective by design by FredFredrickson · · Score: 4, Informative

      Although it doesn't have to do with books or piracy, Ian Rogers has an interesting speech about "effective by design." His mantra is similar- those who embrace the scalability of the web instead of try to create scarcity will be the ones that profit.

      I feel it isn't ground breaking, but his little thing on physics really put into words what I've been feeling for a long time. Worth a read.

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    2. Re:Effective by design by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 1

      Could you or someone else just briefly remind me what about copyright law makes his business model impossible, and therefore enables this event to be an argument for eliminating or reducing copyright terms?

      Btw, given all the hatred of biased terminology, (Don't call it "Digital Rights Management"!!!!) I see you're not above the tactic when you refer to "imaginary property".

      Intellectual property is exactly as imaginary as physical property. Both refer to "rights". Rights are inherently intangible. And contrary to their names, they both have physical ("real") referents.

    3. Re:Effective by design by Foolicious · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Every time a businessman smiles after cutting some cost or forcing someone to pay more does because he's too stupid to realize what he has lost. I know there's limited space here, but that's quite a sweeping generalization, at least if I understood it correctly given the sketchy grammar. I'd say it's all about balance. Cutting costs and finding good ways to get people to pay more aren't always bad things. Businesses should be, if I can invoke a cliché, customer focused; however, if you're so focused on the customer that you don't make any money, well, then that's not really a business, is it? And if you don't mind businesses making money, but you're just unhappy about how much money a business might make, well, then you're in some very difficult territory. These things aren't cut-and-dry enough to use phrases like "every time".
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    4. Re:Effective by design by noidentity · · Score: 1

      Could you or someone else just briefly remind me what about copyright law makes his business model impossible, and therefore enables this event to be an argument for eliminating or reducing copyright terms?

      If copyright isn't essential for commercial production of such works, then the government shouldn't be wasting resources doing policing for it.

      Intellectual property is exactly as imaginary as physical property. Both refer to "rights". Rights are inherently intangible. And contrary to their names, they both have physical ("real") referents.

      Except the fundamental distinction that a piece of physical property can only be used by a limited number of people at a time (whether an apple, piece of land, or house), whereas imaginary property can be used by the whole world at once, without any strain on the original "owner". It's senseless to try to make the latter behave like the former, when its limitless nature is a prime asset.

    5. Re:Effective by design by orasio · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Btw, given all the hatred of biased terminology, (Don't call it "Digital Rights Management"!!!!) I see you're not above the tactic when you refer to "imaginary property".

      Intellectual property is exactly as imaginary as physical property. Both refer to "rights". Rights are inherently intangible. And contrary to their names, they both have physical ("real") referents. That's not the point. The issue is that actual property does have characteristics that "intellectual property" doesn't. Actual property is limited, while copyright and patents are unlimited. Thus, all the constructs around property can't be applied to them. That is what people who call them "property" try to do. They call it "property" so they can apply the rules of property to them, including creating false scarcity. That is just wrong. They are different things, so they can't have the same name, even if some people try to call them like that.
    6. Re:Effective by design by alexgieg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      On the subject of interesting articles, I love this one from 2004, by Mises Institute editor Jeffrey Tucker, where he explains why they allow everyone to download for free books which are under copyright, some of which they even had to pay the current copyright owners to be allowed to put online for free. In short: they understood that a book online is in fact an advertisement for the printed book, since most people prefer to have the real thing instead of reading on a CRT or LCD. Sure, he recognizes many people who download will never, ever, purchase printed copies. But then, who cares? The important thing is that the aggregate number of purchasers increase, what, to the amazement of the copyright owners to whom they paid for the right, in fact happened, with all of them seeing increased sales of the books available online. In any case, more people reading libertarian books means more libertarians on the long run. Thus, from all perspectives a win-win situation.

      I strongly recommend reading the full text. It's really worth it.

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    7. Re:Effective by design by orasio · · Score: 1

      The analogy with the spectrum is flawed. There are physical, measurable reasons why transmitting in the same frequency affects others ability to do the same.
      Airwaves are indeed a finite spectrum, by human standards. Copyrighted works don't have the same issues. Copying other people works can affect their bussiness model, but not their physical ability to publish and distribute. It's a social issue, even a civil issue, but not a physical one.

      Wrong example. Good luck finding a good example that shows that there is a natural basis to the scarcity created by copyright. Hint: there isn't.

    8. Re:Effective by design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Prediction: based on past threads, the mere fact that I am arguing against an anti-IP arguments means I *may* get one net upmod, while everyone else will get modded up regardless of their argument's merit.) So either you're wrong, or just not wanted here. Perhaps you'd be happier posting to another website?

    9. Re:Effective by design by cbart387 · · Score: 1

      What you say makes sense to me personally since I enjoy reading books. If a new book was offered online I would welcome being able to read a chapter online to see if I wanted to buy it. I tend to wait till books come to the library because I don't want to buy a book that I won't read again. They'd certainly get more money out of me.

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    10. Re:Effective by design by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Incorrect. Only the copyright holder has the rights to determine distribution. That is a one for one scarcity. When you thumb your nose at a person's desires to distribute their work as they see fit, you're simply an asshat saying that "I want it, you want money, screw you, I'm taking it over your desires and not going to pay you because I'm just too friggin' cheap."

      There needn't be physical items involved for stealing to be stealing.

    11. Re:Effective by design by orasio · · Score: 1

      Incorrect. Only the copyright holder has the rights to determine distribution. That is a one for one scarcity. You are equating a physical scarcity to a legal construct. Distribution privileges are not rights, even when they are called "copyright". You can't sell rights. Authors do that all the time. Copyright is a bargain between the public and authors, where authors get a monopoly on distribution in exchange for... distributing their works. It is believed that this encourages authors to publish their works. It's not a right, like the right to live, or the right to free expression. You can't sell those, and they are fundamental rights, not the result of a bargain between the government and you.

      In reality, copyrightable works are not finite, so they can't be scarce, and they can't be stolen. For something to be stolen it has to be taken away from you, and there is no way someone could take a published song away from you. Its nature does not allow that.

      I see that there are lots of legal constructs that try to create "intellectual property", and incorporate characteristics of property to things that just are not, but they have failed so far.

      When you thumb your nose at a person's desires to distribute their work as they see fit, you're simply an asshat saying that "I want it, you want money, screw you, I'm taking it over your desires and not going to pay you because I'm just too friggin' cheap."

      There needn't be physical items involved for stealing to be stealing. Just because you say so, it won't make it real. There need to be physical items in order for someone to be able to steal. It's whole "take it away from you" part that doesn't work.

    12. Re:Effective by design by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 1

      Such a strategy is effective by design. This is the problem with businessmen.

      Actually it was a businessman who came up with the idea first. Ever heard of "give em the razor but sell them the blade"?

  13. Not the first. by mnslinky · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Musicians have had to do this for quite some time. They start off making their music, putting up a free MySpace or other page and letting people listen to their music for free. Then, when there's a following, they may start making money off of it. How is this guy really any different, aside from a different medium?

    Also, being that he's got a publisher, I wouldn't be surprised if his actions were actionable in a legal sense on their part. In this case it seems to have worked out for the best for all parties involved, but if not, he could be a hurting man.

  14. This is nothing new by dkleinsc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    After all, Abbie Hoffman's "Steal This Book" sold well.

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  15. Online "library" by PowerEdge · · Score: 1

    Why not just have an online library that allows people to download whatever book they wanted onto their kindle, e-reader, i-phone for nothing. There is a "limited" number of books released to this online library and books are automatically "returned" within 5 days. If you want a book you can markup, or add to your personal library you are then given an option to purchase the physical representation (or a digital representation) and have it shipped to you.

    Books and knowledge are meant to be freely accessible.

    1. Re:Online "library" by MacarooMac · · Score: 1

      Books and knowledge are meant to be freely accessible.
      Where on earth did you read that? (hehe)

      You may be surprised to discover that, the people who take great time and pain to write good books or produce original literary material (e.g. the stuff that provides the source of a considerable amount of the better articles cited on Wikipedia) need to pay their bills too!

      They require soem form of motivation to continue feeding your hunger for the latest knowledge, works of fiction and/or other quality literature... and - believe it or not - although a slap on the back or a mention of /. is all very nice, CA$H, as they say, is still KING.
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    2. Re:Online "library" by ericspinder · · Score: 3, Informative

      Why not just have an online library that allows people to download whatever book they wanted ... There is a "limited" number of books released to this online library and ... If you want a book ... an option to purchase the physical representation

      Do you mean like Oreilly's Safari service?

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    3. Re:Online "library" by mpe · · Score: 1

      There is a "limited" number of books released to this online library and books are automatically "returned" within 5 days.

      The whole "return" thing and associated databases lending libraries use are because of the limitations of physical books. In the "digital world" a library can have every book it carries always available. No problems with several people wanting the same book at once or books being stolen/defaced.

    4. Re:Online "library" by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      Subscription charges for Oreilly's Safari Service

      USD $42.99 Per Month USD $472.89 Per Year

      A Safari Library subscription provides you with online access and search capabilities across authoritative content -- including more than 5,000 books, Short Cuts short-topic content, Rough Cuts manuscripts-in-progress, videos and more.

      Safari Bookshelf
      10-Slot Bookshelf, Limited Access
      USD $22.99 per month USD $252.99 per year

      European Union customers are subject to VAT and United States customers are subject to sales tax in addition to regular subscription charges.

      Alternatively download a torrent find the books that appeal and order through amazon...

        My idea of a service I would use.

      How about $30 buys a months access to the ebook online library, however you also get $30 credit towards the purchase of a physical book / books (the credit expiring after 1 month - maybe a maximum percentage might apply) and include a DRM free ebook version too.

      Why use such a service? low barrier to entry there is a huge catalogue obviously some books are better than others, you can browse and find the book that meets your requirements. Sure there are torrents but that takes time and what if the book isn't what you need. Also since the access fee can reduce the cost of the book there is a major incentive to buy.

      And the best reason of all you need the information now!

  16. Change bank by GottliebPins · · Score: 1

    So giving away product increases sales? If the sale price is zero how do you make money? Yes we sold over a million copies of our new book for $0 dollars. After subtracting the cost of printing we earned -$6 million dollars. It reminds me of the SNL skit First CitiWide Change Bank. All we do is make change. How do we make money doing this? Volume.

    1. Re:Change bank by chill · · Score: 1

      Read the article.

      Digital copies are free, which generated interest. People then wanted actual physical books, which he sold to them From 0 in one year to 100,000 a couple years later.

      In 2001, I sold 10,000 hard copies. And everyone was puzzled. We came from zero, from 1000, to 10,000. And then the next year we were over 100,000.

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    2. Re:Change bank by navygeek · · Score: 1

      It's a good thing you read the article before you posted (I know this is /. but come on). People, by and large, still prefer the feeling of holding a physical book, of being able to kick back in a chair or on the couch or in bed and still be able to read. Blah blah e-readers blah kindle... Not enough of a market and the library is too small.

    3. Re:Change bank by NorbrookC · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So giving away product increases sales? If the sale price is zero how do you make money?

      Because you're overlooking an important point. You're talking about the "product" existing in two different formats. One, the electronic version, is being given away. The other, the "dead tree" version, is being sold. The production costs of the first are minimal compared to the second. There is also a real difference in the user experience and quality between the two. Giving away the first product leads to interest in it, and increases the likelihood of someone purchasing the second product.

      Publishers already "give away" their product. Go to any library, and you can check out a book "for free." This can lead to interest in a given author, and make the people who read the "free" book look for, and purchase, other books by that author. This is well-known, and has been for years. The only difference is that it is now being extended to electronic media. In effect, the "free" stuff is a loss-leader. You're not making your money off the free stuff, but to increase the sales of the stuff you are making money from.

    4. Re:Change bank by RobBebop · · Score: 1

      If the sale price is zero how do you make money?

      The key to "online distribution" isn't that the sale price is zero. The key is that the "cost of goods sold" is zero. It costs $0 to sell 10,000 copies of a book online for $0 each (yes, webservers cost money to operate, but it is negligible). For printed books, a run of 10,000 copies would cost a publisher $10,000 to $50,000 (depending on several factors: book length, color or b/w, binding, quality). Thus, it would be foolish to just give those books away.

      Additionally, I believe the world is changing from (a) pay and enjoy, to (b) enjoy and pay. With online distribution, a copy of a novel can be downloaded for free and "enjoyed", and then through PayPal donations an author can easily setup a system for users who think his work is "worthy" to pay him.

      I call this Open Publication and it is a business model that I have adopted for distribution of my own novel.

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    5. Re:Change bank by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      It's a good thing you read the article before you posted (I know this is /. but come on). People, by and large, still prefer the feeling of holding a physical book, of being able to kick back in a chair or on the couch or in bed and still be able to read. Blah blah e-readers blah kindle... Not enough of a market and the library is too small.


      Physical books are also cheap and disposable. E-readers are neither.

      One activity that follows curling up with a good book is often snacking. Crumbs get everywhere. Makes any electronic device rather nasty in short order. With a book, if it's still published, you toss/recycle it and buy a fresh copy. WIth electornics, you let it fester and get nasty since you can't easily replace said E-reader or laptop or PDA.

      Or take another common reading spot - the bathtub! Yes, I want to see anyone read a book on their laptop, PDA or Kindle in the bathtub. Again, book gets soaked accidentally, no big deal. Either live with it, or buy a new copy. Not so easy if item cost $400...

      It's beyond physical feel - it's simple economics and convenience. Why do printed newspapers still sell despite online news? One can eat breakfast over a newspaper and not care, since it'll get recycled the next day. Eat breakfast in front of the computer - things get nasty quick.

      Maybe they'll take off when they're $20 for the unit. But the DRM will probably make it a pain if you buy a new unit to transfer over all your books to the new unit...
    6. Re:Change bank by navygeek · · Score: 1

      Also very valid points and probably more on point than my own.

    7. Re:Change bank by SigmundFloyd · · Score: 1

      it is a business model that I have adopted for distribution of my own novel.
      How much money are you making?
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    8. Re:Change bank by RobBebop · · Score: 1

      The "download" page currently says that it is "unpublished" and that I am still revising it. There is a note that encourages feedback. If I could put a value on the free "editing" assistance that I've received, I would say, "Intangibly, several hundred dollars" from feedback from several individuals.

      In real "bank account" terms, I haven't made anything yet - but since I don't have a finished product yet, this makes sense.

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  17. HTTP lives on port 80 by fm2503 · · Score: 0, Offtopic



    Why oh why oh why do people persist in running web servers on non standard ports?
    Why is his blog on port 8090?
    Have they never heard of software virtual hosts?

    1. Re:HTTP lives on port 80 by pembo13 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      why not? your browser can't handle it?

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    2. Re:HTTP lives on port 80 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you never heard of Coral Cache?

    3. Re:HTTP lives on port 80 by kailoran · · Score: 1

      The browser most likely can, an overly restricive firewall on his end might be a problem though. Still, you can always tunnel, check it out after work, or remove the coral cache part.

    4. Re:HTTP lives on port 80 by bhtooefr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because that's not the actual URL for his blog? That's a Coral Cache link, which is quite useful to prevent Slashdotting.

      Remove the .nyud.net:8090 to get the real URL.

  18. Getting attention by dhope · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The success of this tactic shouldn't come as a surprise. Without popularity/attention, financial success is impossible. What follows is that authors/artists must first do what ever to gain attention. After they have got the attention of the masses, then it shouldn't be too difficult to find ways to make money. While mere attention does not implicate income, it is a requirement for income.

    1. Re:Getting attention by Kjella · · Score: 1

      You have to wonder though, how much of the popularity/attention and thus income is due to the novelty of doing it, rather than the market itself. I mean, during the dotcom era there was one guy that netted about one million dollars by selling ads on a page of ads. Why? Because he was first, it got tons of press, tons of hits as a curiosity and so in an absurd way it made sense to have an ad on that page. The copycats were obviously not successful at all since it lacked any content whatsoever. It's great for one man get-rich-quick ptofit, but it wasn't a sustainable way to sell online ads. One author here, one band there... you still to prove it's the method and not the stunt that makes it profitable if you want broader adaption.

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  19. Mal Reynolds from Firefly said it best.... by JBHarris · · Score: 5, Interesting

    About fifty percent of the human race is middle men and they don't take kindly to being eliminated.
    --Malcolm Reynolds, Captain of Serenity
    This is the where the music labels and book & video game publishers fit. Think about it when you see the RIAA fighting to survive. That is their purpose. The tubes have made them non-important. If your only purpose for existing was being made irrelevant by some new technology, wouldn't you fight that with everything you had? I'm not saying I agree with it, but it certainly gives you insight into the reasons "WHY".

    Brad
    1. Re:Mal Reynolds from Firefly said it best.... by servognome · · Score: 1

      About fifty percent of the human race is middle men and they don't take kindly to being eliminated. --Malcolm Reynolds, Captain of Serenity
      Oddly enough, all he was a middle man.

      Think about it when you see the RIAA fighting to survive. That is their purpose. The tubes have made them non-important.
      No, the tubes have cut their profits, not really impacted their purpose. The labels are marketing machines, distribution is only 1 avenue where they make money.

      "Merchandising, merchandising. Where the real money from the movie is made"
      - Yogurt, Spaceballs
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    2. Re:Mal Reynolds from Firefly said it best.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oddly enough, all he was a middle man.
      But one still performing a necessary service.

      No, the tubes have cut their profits, not really impacted their purpose. The labels are marketing machines, distribution is only 1 avenue where they make money.
      That's what the labels just don't get. They're used to having complete control, from production to marketing to distribution. Thanks to the Internet they no longer have that control. They could still profit from some of the services they've always provided, as well as providing new services enabled by new technology. But in order to do that, they have to stop acting like a cartel and start acting like competing businesses, and they just can't wrap their heads around that idea. That's why they're going obsolete.
  20. Re:Not the first to notice it, but a different way by dintech · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Somehow, I think that this will get lost on the "suits" at the major publishers, though.
    Of course. For some reason these people have a concrete rule in their head that says:

    one copy = one lost sale

    I don't know where this logic comes from...
  21. Same for Education by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is what I've been saying for a long time to the people I work with. I work for a medium-sized community college, and one of my jobs is creating media for our online classes, videos, podcasts, narrated powerpoints, etc. We have so many instructors that are worried about protecting their "intellectual property," as if it was academic gold. I tell them make you stuff open, share it with the public. Who cares if somebody at some other college uses our stuff? That only makes us look better. The one guy we have here that is actually doing what I'm saying has TONS of chemistry videos on Google Video, and as a result receives feedback from all over the world, and has been asked to speak at a few conferences because of it.

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    1. Re:Same for Education by wikinerd · · Score: 1

      We have so many instructors that are worried about protecting their "intellectual property," as if it was academic gold. I tell them make you stuff open, share it with the public. Who cares if somebody at some other college uses our stuff?

      True educators want to share their material as much as they can. Unfortunately many universities are still operating with a guild mentality. Free academic communities, such as the one I am trying to bootstrap (CosmosWiki), and free learning communities, such as Wikiversity (from Wikimedia that also hosts Wikipedia) can help to change this mentality and promote a more open approach to academia, including research and education.

    2. Re:Same for Education by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The profs care when they plan on eventually turning it into a book or other profitable venture. The students care when they loose an edge they have on competition when it comes time for them to find a job. The students paid for the education they got and if it's available to anyone, they're wasting their money. I can think of one course in particular where former students offered to pay a professor money to NOT make class material into a book.

    3. Re:Same for Education by Kashgarinn · · Score: 1

      Just wondering, why didn't you post a link to his stuff? Post a link if you can.

  22. Medium of Choice by mike2R · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But lets be honest here. Books are fundamentally different to music or movies or software. For the vast majority of readers, a physical book is the preferred medium, and you can't pirate these.

    Does this mean that it doesn't work like this for purely digital works? No, but it isn't evidence that it does either.

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    1. Re:Medium of Choice by kalirion · · Score: 1

      For the vast majority of readers, a physical book is the preferred medium, and you can't pirate these.

      Sure you can. Just gotta kill a few trees to do it.

    2. Re:Medium of Choice by KanjiMonster · · Score: 1

      I totally agree. You watch "pirated" movies on the same screen you watch bought movies, and you listen "pirated" music through the same speakers as bought music, so you gain nothing by actually buying the legal version as far as the media experience goes. But books you still read mostly on plain old paper, and not on screen, so as long as ebook-readers with epaper do not have a big market penetration, legal versions of books have big advantage against digital versions (yes I know there are pirate paper copies of books, but I'm talking about "consumer" piracy, not big scale piracy).

    3. Re:Medium of Choice by Kjella · · Score: 1

      For the vast majority of readers, a physical book is the preferred medium, and you can't pirate these. Perhaps you should check out when and regarding which medium the term 'piracy' was first used to mean copyright infringement? You may be surprised. Now, if you mean they can't be downloaded over P2P networks then I agree with you.
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    4. Re:Medium of Choice by jimbojw · · Score: 1

      For the vast majority of readers, a physical book is the preferred medium, and you can't pirate these.
      Yet
    5. Re:Medium of Choice by mike2R · · Score: 1

      >Yet

      Indeed.

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    6. Re:Medium of Choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be honest, you can get pirated copies of books on the streets. And they are much cheaper than the copies from the publisher. Given a choice, which would you choose?

  23. Underpants Gnomes!! by grapes911 · · Score: 1, Funny

    "It sounds like a dotcom-era business plan: 1) give it away, 2) ???, 3) make pots of money." Actually, it sounds like the Underpants Gnomes. Step 1, Collect Underpants. Step 2, ?. Step 3, Profit.

  24. Dead trees by conureman · · Score: 1

    Ron Lanner has been threatening to re-publish his "Trees of The Great Basin" digitally. I would much prefer it in solid form. I dread having to buy a new ink cartridge just for that. I am the same with music. Sell me the "real thing".

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  25. I've been saying it for years. by oncehour · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've known for quite a while that piracy would be a great marketing tool. I actually wrote about the Creative Commons being a marketing tool on the popular writing e-zine "Writing World": Increase Your Market with a Creative Commons License

    Interesting fact with that article, shortly after writing it Moira Allen decided to post all of her hundreds of articles under the Creative Commons as well. The real revolutionary thing about the Creative Commons and piracy is the viral marketing side of it. Companies have known for a long time that giving away free samples is awesome marketing, they just tend to cost considerably but with digital media this can be negated to almost nothing.

    Sure some people don't buy your stuff, but in a lot of cases they wouldn't buy it anyway. You can also make up for a lower quality product by pirating it. For one thing it's off limits, for another it's free, and lastly it's obviously liked by other people otherwise it wouldn't be pirated. All these factors combine to make piracy and Open Licenses very powerful marketing tools that most companies are just missing out on.

    I've actually covered the benefits of Philanthropic Marketing on my blog. This includes Open Source, Open Licensing, and just plain helping out in the community to foster a stronger community and help it thrive. A lot of the FOSS crowd seems to be a bit socialistic in their viewpoints and try to convert people that way. I prefer to cater to their greed and self-interest which we all have and which FOSS and sharing in general are compatible with.

    If anyone's interested in learning more or getting help with a philanthropic marketing campaign drop me a line at the email address mentioned on my blog.

  26. Theoretical model of intellectual property? by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is well known that libraries that freely loan books caused the book publishing business to collapse. .... Wait, that's not right.

    We need a better theoretical model of intellectual property. Somehow the generally accepted ideas have been shown again and again to be wildly wrong. It is really stupid that most people don't seem to notice that they have to change their thinking.

  27. Paulo Coelho ... by Qetu · · Score: 5, Informative
    Paulo Coelho leapt out of obscurity? WTF?

    from wikipedia:

    Coelho has sold over 100 million books in over 150 countries worldwide and his works have been translated into 66 languages (Goodyear, Dana (2007-05-07), "The Magus", The New Yorker: 38-45, ). He has received numerous literary awards from a variety of countries, including La Legion d'Honneur (France), Grinzane Cavour (Italy). In addition, he has written Maktub[5], which is a collection of his best columns published in the Brazilian newspaper Folha de São Paulo, The Manual of a Warrior of Light, By the River Piedra I Sat Down and Wept[6], The Fifth Mountain, Veronika Decides to Die, The Devil and Miss Prym, Eleven Minutes, Like The Flowing River and The Valkyries[7].
    1. Re:Paulo Coelho ... by gaspyy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just to clarify - Coelho was very popular long before his blog. I know some of his fans, and none of them even knows he has a blog. Come to think of it, I don't even think his target audience is into reading blogs.

      I am willing to bet that releasing the books in electronic format for free hasn't increased his popularity by more than 1%.

      Disclaimer: I can't really stand his novels. They are pretty light, claiming and trying to seem deeper and more meaningful. Umberto Eco he clearly ain't.

    2. Re:Paulo Coelho ... by AiToyonsNostril · · Score: 1

      Not to forget the book everyone thinks of upon hearing Coelho - "The Alchemist". You have to not have read anything outside of "Green Eggs and Ham" and "The DaVinci Code" to say he's obscure.

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    3. Re:Paulo Coelho ... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Here's another one who submitted before reading the article. Sure, I thought the same thing when I read the summary....but it turns out in 2001 he had only sold 10000 copies. Then he found that people were pirating his book online, so he collected all the pirated books together (meaning the bootleg translations) and offered them for download on a website called Pirate Coelho. The next year his sales jumped to 100000. So think before you post.

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    4. Re:Paulo Coelho ... by SigmundFloyd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am willing to bet that releasing the books in electronic format for free hasn't increased his popularity by more than 1%. Exactly. The whole "give it away for free, gain popularity and sales" concept is totally delusional. What will happen 99,99% of the times is more like "give it away for free and get ignored".
      And when you are ignored, you don't get slashdotted, so all the armchair marketers in the world won't know that their "brilliant" theory has failed.
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    5. Re:Paulo Coelho ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you seriously saying that Paulo Coelho had only sold 10k books by 2001? Dude, he's been publishing for decades, he's sold millions and millions of books _ALL AROUND THE WORLD_.

      Don't be an ignorant daffodil.

    6. Re:Paulo Coelho ... by Carlos+Laviola · · Score: 2, Informative

      [quote]ure, I thought the same thing when I read the summary....but it turns out in 2001 he had only sold 10000 copies.[/quote]

      Says who? That's blatantly untrue. He was already a huge best seller in Brazil [b]before[/b] becoming one worldwide.

    7. Re:Paulo Coelho ... by Carlos+Laviola · · Score: 1

      As you can all see, I've been using phpBB-ish forums too much lately...

    8. Re:Paulo Coelho ... by Carlos+Laviola · · Score: 1

      Ah, I see where you went wrong.

      "In a keynote speech (embedded below) at the Digital, Life, Design conference in Munich he talked about how uploading the Russian translation of "The Alchemist" made his sales in Russia go from around 1,000 per year to 100,000, then a million and more."

  28. Over-hype by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When a company does this it's a Promotion. So why is this pirating when an individual does it?

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    1. Re:Over-hype by SigmundFloyd · · Score: 1

      Wild guess: because in the latter case the author didn't agree to giving his own work away?

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      Knowledge is power; knowledge shared is power lost.
    2. Re:Over-hype by Have+Blue · · Score: 1

      Because they own the right authorize it. Same reason painting your house is common but painting someone else's will get you arrested.

    3. Re:Over-hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the company owns the copyright to the product they're "promoting", jackass.

  29. But Wait, there's More!!!... by R2.0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Baen also sells ebooks - DRM free, multiple formats, and relatively inexpensive. http://www.webscription.net/

    Also, they publish, with some of their books, the Baen CD - a CD containing all of the Free Library, the book you just bought, and a whole bunch of others, typically by that individual author. And the license is great - you can do anything you want with the cd - copy, give away - EXCEPT sell it. http://oberon.zlynx.org/ has all of them, with links to other distribution sites, all PERFECTLY LEGAL.

    Jim Baen passed away last year (God rest his soul), but the people who continue to run the shop show no signs of lessening their commitment to these distribution channels. Science Fiction and Fantasy may not be your cup of tea, but what they are doing is great.

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    1. Re:But Wait, there's More!!!... by IdeaMan · · Score: 1

      I really like Baen. When I'm browsing the used book stores I keep an eye out for their logo. Even if it's old and cheesy it's still interesting.

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  30. Prove it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can you cite a source for this claim and not just 1 anecdote?

    I'm getting irritated by the pervasive use of the tag "suddenbreakoutofcommonsense" on anything involving giving stuff away for free. It's not common sense, many times this tag is used; it's counterintuitive and probably incorrect (that sales go up in your claim for instance).

    1. Re:Prove it by stjobe · · Score: 2, Informative

      Can you cite a source for this claim and not just 1 anecdote?
      Here you go. You could probably get a lot more from reading the other "Prime Palavers" and the slashdot articles discussing those, but my hunch is that you won't bother.
      If you'd like to prove my hunch wrong, there's also a few more people out there with the same experience as Baen.
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    2. Re:Prove it by gknoy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What's interesting, is that Baen's policy of Free Books (and buy more if you like 'em) worked for me at a meta-advertisement level. I was traveling, and in a bookstore looking for something to read. I noticed the Baen logo on Some Sci-Fi Book ("In Fury Born", to be specific). I'd never read anything by this author, never HEARD of the author. I had, however, read months earlier about Baen's stance on giving away free stuff.

      I bought the book. Granted, I picked the one of the several Baen books that looked most interesting, but I specifically picked a Baen book because of their policy. I don't regret it -- the book was excellent. Still, such marketing tactics DO work, and I'm grateful to Baen for taking the stance they do. :)

  31. Re:Not the first to notice it, but a different way by robot_love · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Obviously, you have to be a good writer in the first place - if your stuff sucks, it doesn't matter whether you give it away or not


    This is actually one of the reasons that some artists are scared of this business model. In the traditional author / publisher / reader model, an author only has to impress the publisher (who shoulders the risk of failure). In this new model, if you suck, you suck, and you will know it. No other entity will screen you financially from failure.

    It's a bit scary, but it's great for the consumer!
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  32. good thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's like ask what does the box think of you, instead of you thinking in/outside the box.

  33. This is an old buisness model. MS uses it. by jtyler2k · · Score: 1

    I remember the old days of windows 3.1 and 3.11 for workgroups. Back then MS used to "encourage" people to put copies people had from work on their home machines that were running DOS and xtree, etc. It was so easy to get a free copy of windows from a friend on a disk that had absolutely no protection from "bootlegging". Actually, most people didn't even think of it like it is thought of today. So what happened? Everyone started using it. MS won the OS war over the likes of OS/2 etc. Now your grandma uses an MS OS on her cell phone. (alright not quite, but you get my drift here). If you make something that people like you'll be successful. Most people don't want to risk their money to find out if something is worth their time. In the case of a good book, you don't need to try before you buy. You're going to listen to a friend. In the case of music, most people, once out of college when working will want to pay for music. iTunes does this almost good. I know a lot of people who hit up bit torrent just because iTunes and the likes use DRM, and they've been burned on a purchase at some level or another. Some albums you don't want to spend the time and money to go to a best buy to see if you like it, and once you dl it, you don't bother to go out and buy it. I think that if they set up their business model to cater to the lazy, they'll be going in the right direction. For example, get rid of DRM on iTunes. Allow a try before buy - trial of full use, etc. It would be like when your friend let you borrow a CD back in '89 and you loved it, had to give it back, so you had to buy it.

  34. Truer words were never spoken. by s20451 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm getting irritated by the pervasive use of the tag "suddenbreakoutofcommonsense" on anything involving giving stuff away for free. It's not common sense, many times this tag is used; it's counterintuitive and probably incorrect

    "Quite frankly, the whole point of slashdot is to have this big public wanking session with people getting together and making their own "insightful" comment on any random topic, whether they know anything about it or not."

    -- Linus Torvalds

    (source: http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/8/20/95)

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    1. Re:Truer words were never spoken. by blahplusplus · · Score: 1

      "... slashdot is to have this big public wanking session with people getting together and making their own "insightful" comment on any random topic, whether they know anything about it or not."

      Since when was learning or understanding wholly limited to those in the ivory tower? It's hard to take Linus at his word here, since linux usability and application compatability had been awful for a long time. I'm glad others in the linux community finally realized the point of eroding windows last incentive: Windows only apps.

      You don't have to know everything to know enough to make insightful comments that add to the discussion, no one knows everything, and I'm sure there are many topics Linus is quite ignorant about and yet makes insightful comments on.

  35. Not exactly complete books by cjpa · · Score: 1

    I just downloaded Veronika decides to die, and you just get a pdf with the first chapter of the book, just as Coelho himself puts on his website. It's not the complete book. If all pdf's are like this, this article is a blatant lie.

  36. This is not a plan for everyone by matt_morgan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Everything works some of the time. This is not an obscure author, but an extremely famous one. Radiohead is an extremely famous band. I bet if we really surveyed how often giving away content helps sales, we'd see that it helps some people, and not others. If we could even compare to a control, which is unlikely.

    The usual model for giving away content works like this:

    1) I can't compete with the bigger brands in my area, so I'll give away what I have for free.
    2) The quality of my work will establish me, and fame (eg user base) will lead to big things.

    It worked for PHP, but you can't say it worked for PostgreSQL, which was based on something that was famous already. Ditto for Radiohead and Coelho. They're not a good model for most of us.

    1. Re:This is not a plan for everyone by Locklin · · Score: 1

      I don't understand... so if you're mediocre, then giving away you're product won't lead you to fame and riches? Isn't that a good thing?

      This "free" internet distribution scheme just seems to lead to a more "free" marketplace. Instead of crappy product forced down our throats because it is the only thing distributed by big-media over the airwaves, people can actually develop a taste for what they like by sharing with like-minded people and sampling from a freely available resource.

      --
      "Knowledge is the only instrument of production that is not subject to diminishing returns" -Journal of Political Econom
  37. Strange ways of the universe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    One day at work a number of years ago, someone suggested I read The Alchemist. A couple weeks later, I was sitting in my livingroom and looked over at a pile of my roommate's things and right there in the pile was The Alchemist and another of Paulo Coelho's books. I read them both. I suppose you could say I "pirated" them, but if you knew my roommate at the time you'd be more inclined to say that I rescued them.

  38. Pirate Books and fidelity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't pirate books? Well, at least you don't do it at home and it requires a more organized industry than to pirate digital media.

    However, I think the difference lies in the amount of publicity generated by pirated books and other pirate mediums: when somebody posts a pirated movie or disk, the publicity generated is close to 0. I think that only those who are actively looking for that movie or disk will find it and download it.

    On the other side, pirate books are publicity by themselves: if one particular book or author is very popular among pirates, then you start to wonder if it might be worth reading it. With only this, I think there is an increase in the probabilities of you buying that particular book the next time you glance it at a library.

    Another difference between movies, books and music is the fidelity. Even if I liked a movie by a particular director or actor, it is not said that I will rush to see their next movie. The same happens with music: I loved Metallica, but I won't buy any of their recent or future disks. With book authors I think there is more fidelity: if you liked one book, then you are more likely of at least trying to read the next book. This creates a very solid fan base that no singer can have: even 20 years later, new people will start reading those books, they will enjoy them, and they will buy entire sets of books and generate lots of revenues. Just think of "VERY" popular and prolific authors like Agatha Christie, Jules Verne, Gabriel García Marquez or Pablo Coelho itself.

  39. Re:Proven by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Um, the Baen Free Library is not an anecdote.

    My purchase of DC Comics series, Crime Bible: Five Lessons in Blood, after reading a "pirated" digital copy I had downloaded (not five minutes after I finished reading, I called my comics supplier and had them put the issue in my subscription folder and add the series to my subscription list) -- that is an anecdote. A true one, but an anecdote.

    Sales records of multiple titles by multiple authors over the course of several years (admittedly from a single publisher) is HARD DATA, not an anecdote.

  40. Good Point by kellyb9 · · Score: 1

    Even to this day, I think many companies have been struggling with how to effectivly incorporate the Internet into their business model. This guy jumped out of obscurity by doing it. This is clearly a win for those people who support fewer and fewer copyright restrictions, but I wonder if he'll do the same with his next book. This is a common trend in music, musicians love the Internet when they're not popular, but look at it as public enemy number 1 when they are. It opens your talent up to a wider spectrum of people, but if you're a musician or author that already has that following, then what?

  41. Word of Mouth by sjbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Giving away some copies to create interest/hype is an ancient tactic. Sounds like this was a fairly clever astroturfing campaign. People have a bit of a herd mentality when it comes to deciding what is popular. If they perceive that something is in demand, they want to find out what the fuss is about. They will often declare it interesting or desirable more because others say it is rather than judging objectively on merit. (exhibit A: Paris Hilton) Arguably the most powerful advertising message there is is "everyone else is doing it". Sounds silly (because it is) but it works VERY well.

    One way to think about it is that this instance of astroturfing was a way to create activation energy" necessary to get the "popularity reaction" going. If there is no word of mouth because no one has a copy of the book (or other media) it will probably just sit on shelves and never sell. This fellow was clever enough to create a little artificial demand that turned into the real thing. Just a well done example of a cleverly run public relations campaign. Done right it is very effective and much cheaper than advertising.

  42. Isnt this Obvious to anyone yet?!? by SCDavis · · Score: 1

    another EASY example of this is MUSIC... Look recently into the newer Rap albums by Kanye West and 50cent... Kanye's album was all over the internet weeks before the album was out... and he ended up outselling 50cent easily... and that was after 50's "if he outsells me, i'll retire" comments... Same with movies... when LOTR came out on the internet TONS of people downloaded it AND then went to the theater to go see it... probably more than would have gone if it wasnt leaked on the net... -SC

  43. Oddly enough by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I tried convincing my Ex to do just this. I was amazed that her attitude was that she did not want anybody stealing her work. But when I pointed out that it might make you a well known name, she STILL did not want to do it.

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    I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
    1. Re:Oddly enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was amazed that her attitude was that she did not want anybody stealing her work. But when I pointed out that it might make you a well known name, she STILL did not want to do it.


      You mean she didn't jump at the chance to create something and give it away for nothing, seeing no reward for hard work?
    2. Re:Oddly enough by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      By giving away the first one and building up a name, you can then bypass the middle man. This guy showed that IF you have the same skills required to make it for a publisher, will pay bigger for you. Come to think of it, larry wall, Linus Torvalds, etc have all shown that giving things away that others VALUE can pay quite big.

      --
      I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
  44. Obscurity? Paulo Coelho? by BlackCreek · · Score: 5, Informative

    Paulo Coelho obscure?

    Yet another proof that slashdot editors really don't control anything that gets posted here

    Paulo Coelho has sold around 100 million books on 150 countries and has been translated to more than 66 languages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Coelho. Somehow the bozo submiting stories will credit all of that to torrent publicity? Check out (in the portuguese wikipedia) http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Coelho the number of international prises he got way before torrents were in any way popular. Please just read the list of prises he got BEFORE 2000.

    Yeah, obscure all the way. Indeed.

    BTW, what's the name of that obscure comedy writer that released a book on the internet, and after he got famous, decided not to do that again? Oh, yeah that would be (otherwise unknown) Scott Adams http://www.themillionsblog.com/2007/11/giving-it-away-for-free.html ... Another usurper of the torrent comunity no doubt!

    1. Re:Obscurity? Paulo Coelho? by denisfalqueto · · Score: 1
      Nothing against your post, it is a good one. But there's one thing that anyone noted before: Paulo Coelho is a *bad* writer.

      Even in his mother language (portuguese), he manages to produce grammar errors (I know this is a bad job from the proof readers, but anyway, for someone that belongs to the Brazilian Academy of Letters, it is not acceptable. That academy used to have members that influenced the language for more than a century.. oh well, they seem to accept anyone nowadays...).

      And the subjects are plain bullshit. Witchery and utter nonsense. Only interesting to brain damaged as the author himself.

      I wouldn't want any of his books even if he paid me to get it.

      Oh, and I'm brazilian and I know what I'm talking about.

      --

      Nothing has been proved

    2. Re:Obscurity? Paulo Coelho? by stm2 · · Score: 1

      "I wouldn't want any of his books even if he paid me to get it.".

      If you didin't read it, how do you know that he is a bad writer? I read a couple of his books (In Argentina everybody knows him, even if you don't read it, at least everybody knows who is him). Yes, the subjects of their book are new age friendly, but also Harry Potter. LOTR and all Tolkien books have mythical setting and it is not something wrong (as long as you don't take it as real).

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      DNA in your Linux: DNALinux
  45. Another great quote from Serenity.... by tacokill · · Score: 1

    "Can't stop the signal...."

    Highly appropriate, don't you think?

  46. Or the other way around... by whatevah · · Score: 0

    Not to repeat what others above me have already stated but I want to add another angle on this subject.
    Recently I just bought OReilly's Learning Python 3d. Well it is fine that I have it and can take it with me
    when I travel, but the thing is I want it also on my computer. So I downloaded yesterday the *illegal* version(pdf).

    Numerous times has happened of course the exact opposite, e.g. first downloading the illegal version and then actually buying it.
    This applies to Music, etc...
    On a side note check out the django online book. Be aware that although it is
    available on-line the printed version was at first sold out.

    So yeah... it works

  47. Re:Not the first to notice it, but a different way by Sen.NullProcPntr · · Score: 1

    one copy = one lost sale Exactly!

    If this guy used the accepted *IAA accounting methods he would realize that he is actually seeing a loss.

    Formula:
    (CS * B$) - (CG * B$) = Amount of loss
    Where:
    CS = Copies sold
    CG = Copies Given Away
    B$ = Book Price

    This assumes more copies are given away than sold (a safe bet).
  48. Free is the new Profit-maker by dada21 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've been saying it for years here and on a variety of sites and print publications: anything that can be copied easily should be given away from the start: recorded music, e-books, stock photography, whatever.

    I've also been doing it for years: I've declined to copyright anything I've written, designed, or produced digitally, for about 10 years. In that time, I've made "pots of money" because of it. Why? It's a marketing tool. Give it away, have people use it or reference it, and build your reputation to sell your labors for future projects.

    I can't believe others don't do it. I helped a few local bands reach national prominence (magazines, MTV2, etc) by giving away their recorded music in exchange for building a fan-base who would buy their not-so-easily-copied dookie at shows. It works.

    I've maintained blogs that have driven people to my subscription-only print newsletter, which I then tell people to give away when they're done reading it. Guess what? That, too, has brought more subscribers.

    The future is not about piracy, it's about marketability. You should NEVER hope to make money on something you've already done, but on what you can do. When people see your ability, they'll be more captive in hiring you for a future need. That's where you make your money. If you're an author, give away that e-book: people hate reading things electronically still, and will probably decide to just buy that $10 printed novel or how-to book. Books are cheap to produce now, even one-offs. My print-on-demand supplier has been offering me paperbacks for under $4 printed, so I can sell it for $11 and make a reasonable profit. What's the problem with understanding that?

    I'm still shocked at how many content-creators and artists don't want to give away their old works to build future profits. They're too protective of their intellectual property, and unwilling to accept that we're all whores for profit but usually unwilling to actually work hard to earn that profit. I can't begin to count how many "artists" work their rears off to try to become that one hit wonder rather than embracing the idea that working for your entire life is a better end-goal. It's a risk versus reward belief that I stumbled across when I was much younger: why risk putting everything into the hope that you'll be the lucky one out of a million to hit it big on a single item?

    1. Re:Free is the new Profit-maker by Raenex · · Score: 1

      I've declined to copyright anything I've written, designed, or produced digitally, for about 10 years. You get copyright protection automatically. Are you placing your works in the public domain?

      I've maintained blogs that have driven people to my subscription-only print newsletter Aren't you violating the principles you are espousing? Why isn't an electronic copy available for free?

      My print-on-demand supplier has been offering me paperbacks for under $4 printed, so I can sell it for $11 and make a reasonable profit. What's the problem with understanding that? If you don't control the copyrights, then why can't somebody get it published for less?
    2. Re:Free is the new Profit-maker by Murphy+Murph · · Score: 1

      I helped a few local bands reach national prominence (magazines, MTV2, etc) by giving away their recorded music in exchange for building a fan-base who would buy their not-so-easily-copied dookie at shows. It works.

      Name one.
      --
      I dub thee... Sir Phobos, Knight of Mars, Beater of Ass.
    3. Re:Free is the new Profit-maker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've also been doing it for years: I've declined to copyright anything I've written, designed, or produced digitally, for about 10 years.

      Not true, you have the copyright on your slashdot post(s).

  49. Re:Not the first to notice it, but a different way by RobBebop · · Score: 1

    you have to be a good writer in the first place - if your stuff sucks, it doesn't matter whether you give it away or not

    I disagree. I would say, "You need to have a good story to tell". Good writing, on the other hand, is a matter of having a good editing process. As far as I can tell, editing a novel can be as much of a community effort as developing an Open Source computer program, where there is a central architect and several supporting developers.

    Why do I think this? I have written a novel and published a version of it last summer. I have received several critiques from people who I would have otherwise never had heard of. I welcome comments and criticism from anybody who is willing to take a chance on a story that is "a work in progress". If the C&C is constructive, then you can bet that you'll get a mention in the acknowledgments paragraph at the beginning of the story to recognize your help.

    So, no. I would freely admit that I am not the best writer in the world, but I think I have a good enough story that with some time I can publish a novel that will be enjoyable and attractive to a wide range of read

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  50. Kindle? by gwoodrow · · Score: 2, Funny

    What's all this talk about the book being an unconquerable medium? Have you not seen Amazon's Kindle? It is an absolute masterpiece of... hahahahahaha! Golly, I almost made it through the whole speech with a straight face...

  51. ING by Sleeping+Kirby · · Score: 1

    People do realize that the financial company ING makes people read buy and read this book, right?

    --
    please... let me sleep... a little more... yay, no longer annonmyous coward.
  52. Re:savage2 by danknight · · Score: 1

    this is O.T. but it took a while navigating their site, to find the system requirements and supported OS, seems like a cool game though, Im glad I kept XP on the HTPC (dual boot with ubuntu)

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  53. This is not Coelho's Blog. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    WTF is wrong with slashdot folks? This is obviously not Coelho's blog. Besides, as it was pointed out above, this guy was famous around the world much, much before this phony blog was created, in June 2007.
    Can't you guys see the difference between a world wide famous writer, and some kid blogging from his parents yard?

  54. Viable With new Technology? by StCredZero · · Score: 1

    Will this still be viable with new technology? So far, online versions of books have increased sales of hardcopies because the form factor of online books have been so lousy. What happens when you get options that are even better than the Kindle and the Sony Reader? (Just as light, bigger, and not encumbered by DRM?) Perhaps things like novels will get duplicated and no one will pay for them. Only subscription models will exist then.

    1. Re:Viable With new Technology? by FredFredrickson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The question is- are these the physics of the internet? And the answer is: yes. Instead of fighting these basic principles that are demonstrated again and again, we should focus on leveraging these priciples to profit. Accessibility seems like the best option- make it cheap and convenient, and people will indulge on a larger scale.

      --
      Belief? Hope? Preference?The Existential Vortex
    2. Re:Viable With new Technology? by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While there is still time, publishers need to influence the culture and
      society so that it is more likely that people will pay for things that
      they can get for free but require an upfront development cost.

      Instead of antagonizing everyone, they should encourage people to find
      their own englightened self-interest in supporting the authors of the
      works they enjoy. Sure it's less authoritarian and to some people
      inherently scary. However, it is the best way to approach the problem
      short of trying to create a police state that exists to serve your
      particular interests.

      Despise the common man? Enlighten him, don't imprison him.

      --
      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    3. Re:Viable With new Technology? by shmlco · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure you missed his point. If ebooks become the norm, and if the book can be easily stolen/copied/infringed/whatever, then exactly what principles is the author supposed to leverage in order to "profit"?

      Sell t-shirts at his concert? Beg for donations? Add advertising that no one wants and that will be stripped out or blocked at the first opportunity?

      And I'm afraid the "make it cheap" mantra doesn't fly either. No matter how cheap you make it, someone is going think a "fair" price is even less.

      Finally, the "scale" argument assumes that there's a vast number of people out there who want that particular type of book or movie, when in fact for some genres the audience is already at niche levels.

      Try reading Ted Nelson's Literary Machines sometime, especially the section where he discusses architectures for micropayments. There are other internet possibilities out there, each with it's own "physics".

      --
      Any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.
    4. Re:Viable With new Technology? by shmlco · · Score: 1

      Ever heard of the Free Rider problem?

      --
      Any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.
    5. Re:Viable With new Technology? by FredFredrickson · · Score: 1

      That's just it! These are the phsyics of the internet. Will people always think cheaper is a fair price? Yes. You have to find a good price that will cause the most profit with the the most sales. It's a fine balance. The point is, you can't just make up physics to describe what you want, and legislate yourself a market that won't hold. People are getting it free, despite the laws. Either adapt or sink. Or hold on to your idealistic views .. and sink..

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      Belief? Hope? Preference?The Existential Vortex
  55. Good Call. by pclminion · · Score: 1

    If I read the first 50 or so pages of a book in electronic form and liked it, I would go buy a paperback to finish reading. Reading novels on computer screens sucks. Fairly obvious idea when you think about it, this guy just has the guts to try it and damn the publisher's opinion.

  56. Re:savage2 by mounthood · · Score: 1

    Linux client is just delayed; they released Savage 1 on linux. That game, by the way, is free to play. http://www.s2games.com/savage/downloads.php

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    tomorrow who's gonna fuss
  57. This makes a lot of sense by definate · · Score: 1

    This makes a lot of sense to me, after reading this, I had a look at all of the books I have purchased and realized they fall into 1 of 2 categories:

    Books I didn't read before buying them (All of these are books Uni text-books)

    Books I read before buying them (This is everything else in my collection)

    I think this comes down to, I don't like to take a risk with the vast amount of absolute crap that is out there, and prefer to know that I like a book before I buy it. Then when I buy it, I feel really good for having bought it and supporting the author.

    And it looks great on my shelf!

    --
    This is my footer. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
  58. Fro copyRIGHT to copyDUTY by toriver · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't mind having to pay for copyrighted works, but then the copyright holders should also have a DUTY to actually provide me with a copy. Case in point: The board game "Gunslinger" by then-publisher Avalon Hill. The company is owned by Hasbro now, but if I walk into a game store I cannot find a copy - all those made have sold out. So where can I pay and get the work in question? Only second-hand, the market that some copyright work providers appear to loathe.

    "Out of print" should NOT be an option. Either the law should mandate copies be made to satisfy demand, OR the copyright should be revoked if they refused, and enter the public domain where works of art are supposed to go eventually anyway, so that others can make the copies needed.

  59. I had this experience in miniature ... by davecb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    [Left as a comment on the blog]
    I've had much the same experience with electronic distribution,
    except in a much smaller scale. I was the co-author of the first
    edition of O'Reilly's "Using Samba", which was published under a
    free documntation license, and a copy was included in every
    download of the Samba program.

    Using Samba was O'Reilly's best seller of the period, and jumped
    by all the other Samba books of the day.

    It seems that people were printing small sections, making
    notes in the margin, and then buying the professionally
    printed book to have it in a portable format,
    but not to have to carry around huge inconvenient lumps of paper.

    --dave

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    davecb@spamcop.net
  60. Coelho pirated not only his own work by leomaro · · Score: 2, Informative

    This Autor is very well known here in Argentina for his "self-help books". He writes tons of books,and he doesn't even write them. Why?, well, because he is known to copy from other books and use that in his own work. Some years ago a female spanish autor realized that Coelho was copying from her work (whole chapters) and started legal measures against Paulo.
    By the way To pirate is to assault ships in the sea, not copying something.

    1. Re:Coelho pirated not only his own work by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
      Why?, well, because he is known to copy from other books and use that in his own work. Some years ago a female spanish autor realized that Coelho was copying from her work (whole chapters) and started legal measures against Paulo.

      This fascinates me, but when searching around, I couldn't find anything of substance. What are your sources on this?

      Thanks!


      -FL

    2. Re:Coelho pirated not only his own work by leomaro · · Score: 1

      I remember from a local air channel news, I was pretty sure was he, but started to look for it after receiving your response. Called a friend that knows more than me about this. The result, I could not find something of substance, but my friend told me two things, according to him I made a mistake, Cohelo just took ideas from others while Bucay is the one I was confused to (and the one that took an entire chapter of Mónica Cavallé), so I regret my mistake ask for sorry to everyone (Cohelo first) and here post some substance about:
      http://es.shvoong.com/books/novel/1743054-el-zahir/
      The first part of the article
      "El Zahir: No se puede empezar esta sinopsis sin hacer referencia obligada a Jorge Luis Borges, de quien Coelho copia o pide prestado el título de esta novela." a small translation about the first part: "The Zahir: Can't be started a synopsis without referencing Jorge Luis Borges, from who Cohelo copy or borrows the title of this novel"
      Some things about Bucay:
      http://www.elojodigital.com/sociedad/2005/10/11/739.html
      http://www.google.com/search?q=bucay+copia+libros+de+espa%C3%B1ola&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:es-AR:official&client=firefox-a

      My Mistake not checking data before posting, my karma will fall down the stairs now and will think tree times before posting next time:S

    3. Re:Coelho pirated not only his own work by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
      My Mistake not checking data before posting, my karma will fall down the stairs now and will think tree times before posting next time:S

      Your real Karma goes up when you are honest when in error. One of the hardest things to do! (I know from far too much personal experience.)

      Looks like I won't have to write off my Paulo Cohelo readings.


      -FL

  61. So downloading is piracy now then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I become gradually more sick every time I see this word being misused.

    Or were people illegally SELLING copies of this author's book? Oh they were? Right, THAT'S piracy.

  62. Not the whole story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who cares if somebody at some other college uses our stuff? That only makes us look better. IAAProfessor at a fairly large and reasonably well-ranked university. Please allow me to augment that quote a bit for you, just for the sake of debate:

    Who cares if somebody at some other college uses our stuff and claims they created it in the first place? That only makes them look better. Depending on what "stuff" you mean, it totally fails to make "us" look better, and indeed I may very much care. Sure, we can (naively, perhaps) rely on the honor system, just like we do with GPL code or creative commons style licenses (or any other non-DRM material, for that matter). But ultimately we face the same "tragedy of the commons" challenges as the **AA, only without the massive heartless (and sometimes brainless) legal team. I'm perfectly fine if people "steal" my stuff in general, but unlike music (which is inherently inseparably from the artists who play the songs) my materials are fully separable from my own identity. Once attribution is removed (or altered) any benefit to me necessarily goes to zero. Pirated music at least has the chance to benefit the artists; the same holds for a movie exposing its actors, directors, and so forth to new audiences. Do we really believe somebody will bother to track down the "anonymous" (or mis-attributed) author of some lecture materials, just to enroll in that professor's current institution of higher learning?
    It's important to also note that incentive for faculty at most places tends to focus on getting your name out, not by being a good instructor, but by your research. This is most often measured by citations (meaning the number [yes, quantity counts at least as much as quality] of times other faculty list your stuff in their references). Sure, if you release your research into the wild that's usually great. But releasing lessons, lectures, books, and other course material is a much different story. Sadly, there's typically little--if any--benefit to be gained from even creating good quality material in the first place, regardless of whether it becomes popular or not even on campus. Couple that with the potential that you'll be ripped off and gain zero credit at all, and you don't really have much reason to bother, unless you already happen to have it nicely packaged and ready to distribute anyway.

    So, sure, if we're talking about lectures that are recorded in decent quality multimedia anyway, then absolutely distribute them on Google Video or wherever; there's really no down side to that. But I think you might be underestimating the time that goes into generating really good course materials, and the ease with which others can (and most likely will) strip them of attribution. That is without, of course, resorting to DRM or the like, which would defeat the whole point.

    And yes, I do realize that creation costs are fixed (and sunk) and distribution costs are negligible; again, if your lectures were recorded anyway in a distributable medium, please distribute them freely. But bear in mind that academia in general is a for-profit business, replete with organizational and individual competitors. Reputation and goodwill are intangibles that can benefit from free samples, so to speak, but you'll certainly find resistance beyond a certain point to giving away the crown jewels. After all, consider the secret formula for coca-cola, for instance, is an example of so-called "intellectual property" that will likely remain a trade secret forever.

    Don't get me wrong, there are also plenty of philanthropic reasons to expose course materials far and wide, but please consider that the dynamics of the situation may be far more complex than you suggest; I just wouldn't write it off as a trivial matter as you seem to imply. In many cases, it's not that they just don't "get it" but rather they are acting in a perfectly rational reaction to an arguably very broken reward system for faculty.
  63. Sure it works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah sure...

    Giving away cars always increases sales overall

    You people here on suckdot are a bucnh of frigin morons and actually believe this bullshit

        He maybe you could work for free so even more job offers pour in accoridng to this logic

  64. Define "obscure"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All that proves is that obscurity is relative. I'd never heard of this guy before the story, and it's pretty obvious that kdawson and a number of other people here hadn't either.

    But now, due to this, there are a bunch of people who know who he is. People who might pirate one of his books off of his blog (especially those pirate translated versions).

  65. Congratulations, Paul! by Bob9113 · · Score: 1

    Congratulations on your well-earned success, Paul. I am delighted that, in the sometimes scary new world of digital media, you have received your well-earned compensation for your artistic endeavor without resorting to market-damaging tactics. Hoorah!

  66. This is a Reply by TurinPT · · Score: 1

    Coelho is not that obscure... stores in Portugal and Brazil are so filled with his books it makes me sick.

  67. Re:Prove it - Long sense proven by jrboatright · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try Eric Flint's series of analytical articles on the relationship between copyright, DRM and the book market in his column in Jim Baen's Universe magazine on line ( http://www.baens-universe.com/ ) while the general magazine requires a subscription to read more than half the story, Eric's columns are free-and-open.

    You might start here: http://baens-universe.com/authors/Eric_Flint -- start at the bottom and work up. By the time you're done you'll have a pretty complete education on the relationship of copyright, DRM and the book marketplace WITH NUMBERS.

    Have a good time. Come back when you're done.

  68. Baen Free Library by 1c3mAn · · Score: 3, Informative

    He definitely isn't the first to do this. The Publisher Baen has been doing it for years.

    http://www.baen.com/library/

    Just read the comments by Eric Flint and see that the authors who have books in the Library have seen a significant increase in sales. Sure, most of the books are older, and just the first one or two books in the series, but if other readers are anything like I am, then if you read the first book in a series and like it. You will definitely consider buying the second on wards.

    Now the fact that he used in mainly to get notices is new, but free books really aren't

  69. The Economics of the E-book and Creative Commons by rinkjustice · · Score: 1

    I've authored the book Zero to Superhero, and the work is licensed under the Creative Commons "Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative" licence. It essentially allows those who buy a copy of the e-book to give it away for free to anyone (with attribution, without changes) but in a non-commercial context (it can't be re-sold).

    I believe this is fair and adds value for the reader. Besides, those who purchase the Zero to Superhero e-book aren't hurting me (financially or otherwise) by sharing it with family and friends - they are extending my potential readership who may be interested in my future works.

  70. He has to be! by fugue · · Score: 1

    This doesn't work.

    The problem is that there are too many producers. If a few start giving things away for free, then those have differentiated themselves and tapped an enormous market. If everyone gives things away for free, then we're right back where we came from--marketing will once again be everything, but there will be no budget for it. Bodies like the RIAA will still need to pump certain artists and ignore others, and then profit by sales.

    Maybe, just maybe, our ability to sample more material for free before deciding what to buy will help. But I don't expect this to be a widespread phenomenon.

    Baaaaaaaaaah.

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    "The biggest problem with communication is the illusion that it has taken place."
  71. It may have already been said, but.. by ex0a · · Score: 1

    What about World of Warcraft? You can get a free 10-day trial online which allows you to download the game and updates for free. How many people decided to get the 10 day trial and ended up getting hooked only to purchase a cd-key/game-card as soon as the trial was over? Or, in my case, before the trial was over because I couldn't trade with users or use the Auction House.

    This strategy definately works if applied correctly and to a product worth promoting. "Free" stuff is pasted all over the internet and television. What about the "free" vacations you can win by listening to the radio and calling their "toll-free" number? When people hear/see free, they get interested because there isn't any original commitment to the product or services, so they don't feel like it's just another marketing scheme they've bit into.

  72. Are americans SO alienated of everything else? by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 1

    I hate to say that paulo coelho is the best selling brazilian writer. But to say that someone who sold more than 150 MILLION books is an obscure author... Well, take a look at how many red hot chili peppers sold of stadium arcadium worldwide...

  73. You have it all backwards. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The point of a broadcast is to be heard, not merely to send EM waves into the stratosphere for fun. There's NO USE for sending EM waves that doesn't require at least one bit of information, not even RADAR.

    Many people using it at the same time to transmit information (hint: the whole POINT of a license) interfere with each other. Read up on Shannon's law sometime or information theory, because a channel can only contain so much information. The rivalrousness is inherent, it's not something tacked on by the FCC so they can sell licenses.

    Anyhow, you're barking up the wrong tree to begin with. The "all properties are rights, all rights are property" mantra is irrelevant. It's whether or not their RIVALROUS that matters. But you know that and disagree, right?

    But you still have the reason for the rights backwards. It is because two people can't wear my pair of glasses that I may exclude anyone else from wearing mine, not the inverse. In other words, you have your theory of property backwards.

    The notion of a right was created to address the inherent harm, the right wasn't created to CAUSE some harm to the property holder!

    But that's where imaginary property gets it wrong. People imagine it to be property, so they try to attach rights that don't make sense to it and create "harm" that isn't inherent. Then they get frustrated when that doesn't work. This is because it can't work without central control of everyone's computer and a police state.

    In other words, the two situations are completely different. The harm is inherent, not created, for the EM spectrum due to physics, while it's quite the opposite for imaginary property. I'd call that an important distinction, but it's clearly not one you've accounted for.

    I could also argue the public good, but that's a simple consequence of one being inherent harm and the other not being anything of the sort. And no, you can't construct "inherent" harm from copying. You still have your copy! You may not be able to make lots of money, but that's hardly the point of most copyrighted works, it's only the point for a minority of commercial ones. Oh, right, you didn't realize that either, huh? This post is copyrighted, as are all the others. Thousands of works every day, and nobody getting a dime.

    Unless they're paying you for this? Nobody's paying me for this, that's for sure.

    But everyone only thinks of big commercial enterprises, as if they're the only copyrighted works in existence. I mean, if you're not making money, you're nobody, right? Who cares about most of the world?

    See also this post by the guy who made Gmail on what it means to own a right.

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    Next you attack the twisting of language. Fair enough. I'll be honest, it's not something I like. But what's the alternative? There's no such thing as "untwisting" language. Sure, you can pedantically correct everyone who ever uses it slightly wrong for the rest of your existence, but hell, what has that ever accomplished? Do people use the words "its" and "it's" correctly now? No? Well, then it doesn't work, does it?

    But twisting language sure does, doesn't it? We have "piracy" (from salty brigands to commercial book copiers and finally to 8-year-olds downloading Britney Spears), we have "hacking" (from clever computer users to electronic criminals) and many more. Once I realized that there was no practical difference between twisting and untwisting language, I decided I might as well twist it in my favor.

    So now you know why I don't believe in imaginary property.

    1. Re:You have it all backwards. by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      No, I just know why you can't understand a simple point: you cannot consistently oppose IP but support spectrum rights on the grounds that there is scarcity in one and not the other.

      Is consistency necessary? Is it ideal?

      I support the concept of copyright simply because I think that if it is possible to maximally serve the public interest with regard to creative works, we ought to do so. If the mechanism of certain exclusive rights which are limited in time and scope is the best mechanism, then we ought to employ it. If a particular configuration of rights and limits is better at that than a different configuration, then we ought to use the better one.

      But copyright is sui generis. The closest that it comes to property law is that a copyright itself (as opposed to the creative work the copyright governs, or copies in which that work is embodied) could be considered a piece of property; I don't think it is, but an honest argument can be made. References to property in conjunction with copyright strike me as inevitably being misleading (often deliberately so). They're usually an attempt to get us to think emotionally, rather than rationally, and to apply norms from an unrelated field (real and personal property) which are not appropriate in the copyright domain. (And of course, those norms are often at odds with property law too -- look at all the bizarre ado over the Kelo case a few years back)

      I suppose that there is consistency in that copyright law is utilitarian, and property law is also utilitarian, and the regulation of the airwaves is also utilitarian. It would be nice if we could achieve greater utility in all these fields, but the means by which we do so can certainly be wholly unrelated to one another without upsetting anyone. I see no reason why, in considering what to do about copyright that anyone would ever bother to look at property law or FCC regulations; they're as irrelevant to the subject as the composition of the Moon.

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    2. Re:You have it all backwards. by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 0

      I appreciate your articulate response but disagree on a few points.

      Is consistency necessary? Is it ideal?

      Yes, and yes, obviously. If you say, "X is wrong because of principle Y" and then it turns out that Y implies Z, and you reject Z, you must revise Y, accept Z, or accept the invalidity of your argument against X. It's that simple.

      I support the concept of copyright simply because ...

      So, you're a rule utilitarian. I largely agree with that stance, but it's beyond the scope of the point I'm making here.

      But copyright is sui generis. The closest that it comes to property law is that a copyright itself (as opposed to the creative work the copyright governs, or copies in which that work is embodied) could be considered a piece of property; I don't think it is, but an honest argument can be made.

      Ownership of a physical object *is*, by definition, ownership of a bundle of rights (and people disagree on what rights that should include) that have that object as a referent. Ownership of a copyright is, just the same, ownership of a bundle of rights with -- yep -- physical objects as referents. In this respect, it is undebatable that they are the same.

      References to property in conjunction with copyright strike me as inevitably being misleading (often deliberately so). They're usually an attempt to get us to think emotionally, rather than rationally, and to apply norms from an unrelated field (real and personal property) which are not appropriate in the copyright domain.

      No, they're not misleading, or deliberately misleading. People talk about copyright as property because each and every honest, intelligent person who has ever approached the issue, has, without anyone's prodding, seen stark parallels. Specifically, *exclusion rights* over a sphere of activity attach when someone brings something useful into the domain of human action (i.e. homesteading an object or instantiating a new idea). The exclusion rights can then be transferred. Those are very strong parallels. They only differ in how they specify the referents.

      (And of course, those norms are often at odds with property law too -- look at all the bizarre ado over the Kelo case a few years back)

      Why does it matter whether a) peoples' opinions about how the law *should be* given a set of axioms, conflicts with b) currently existing property law.

      FWIW, eminent domain is -- yes -- expropriation of a bundle of rights, and can and has happened just the same with IP -- cf. humanitarian patent-breaking.

      I suppose that there is consistency in that copyright law is utilitarian, and property law is also utilitarian, and the regulation of the airwaves is also utilitarian. ...

      Again, it's great to talk about how rule utilitarianism can provide a good framework for dealing with all those issues, but it's tangential here. The topic here is whether it's possible to consistently distinguish IP from other forms of property (and thus treat it differently) on the grounds that it "doesn't have natural limits", and I believe I have shown that *that approach* is invalid.

    3. Re:You have it all backwards. by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      Ownership of a physical object *is*, by definition, ownership of a bundle of rights (and people disagree on what rights that should include) that have that object as a referent. Ownership of a copyright is, just the same, ownership of a bundle of rights with -- yep -- physical objects as referents.

      No, the sine qua non of copyright is the creative work, which is intangible. For example, there is no physical object involved in the public performance of a copyrighted play, but the performance can nevertheless infringe. Fixation is required for protection to subsist (in the US, at least) and some of the exclusive rights can only be of relevance where copies are involved (e.g. the reproduction and distribution rights), but copies aren't what copyright is all about.

      Specifically, *exclusion rights* over a sphere of activity attach when someone brings something useful into the domain of human action (i.e. homesteading an object or instantiating a new idea).

      Sounds like someone is a Lockean.

      Remember, those rights don't attach merely because someone does something useful, but because others are willing to grant those rights to the creator because to do so is ultimately to their own net benefit. Certainly it isn't always true. You can beautify your house, and by so doing increase the value of my adjoining property by virtue of its proximity to yours, but you aren't entitled to any of the windfall I enjoy.

      Just doing something isn't good enough.

      Those are very strong parallels.

      I agree that there is a strong argument for copyrights being property. Nevertheless, I think it is against public policy for them to be so. Copyright is meant to maximally serve the public interest, and for this to occur, Congress must have a pretty free hand to adjust copyright's length and breadth in any direction. I don't think that the takings clause is meant to interfere with this in such a way that retroactive lessening or abolishment of copyright is effectively impractical.

      Why does it matter whether a) peoples' opinions about how the law *should be* given a set of axioms, conflicts with b) currently existing property law.

      Because often it's appropriate for the law to reflect those norms, rather than to conflict with them. Conflict is acceptable if it's for a good reason, and attempting to use the law to alter norms is acceptable in rare, very extreme cases. But generally, norms should prevail.

      Prohibition is a conflict where there was no good reason to go against societal norms, and the result was widespread disrespect for the law, corruption, and to hugely empower organized crime. Eminent domain is a conflict where there is a good reason, and conflicting norms are likely, I'm sad to say, shortsighted and irrational. Even here, however, rather than forcing the law down the throats of the people, an attempt should be made to show why takings can be appropriate. Civil rights laws protecting unpopular, discriminated-against minorities are an example of when norms are in the wrong and need to be forcibly broken down.

      Personally, I'd rate copyright as being in the neighborhood of Prohibition. It's possible that some copyright could be as worthwhile in the face of conflicting norms as eminent domain is, but I don't think the copyright we currently have comes close to qualifying.

      Anyway, remember that the government receives its power and legitimacy from the consent of the governed. Go too far against that, and you end up with a government that needs to be disposed of and replaced. Hence the concern for social norms when formulating laws.

      The topic here is whether it's possible to consistently distinguish IP from other forms of property (and thus treat it differently) on the grounds that it "doesn't have natural limits", and I believe I have shown that *that approach* is invalid.

      Well, and this goes back to why I don't care for the term 'intellectual property' to begin with, I think that you and the earlier poster were talki

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  74. Evidence? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Does this mean that it doesn't work like this for purely digital works? No, but it isn't evidence that it does either.

    This is the evidence you're looking for.

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  75. qwerty by Sithgunner · · Score: 1

    qwerty

  76. Thinking in Java by nephridium · · Score: 1

    I can remember when I was learning Java (around 2000 iirc) that one book proved invaluable in learning the language - and it was (and still is) free! It has been released in the forth edition now so I believe it is quite successful. Thing is the author got his and his book's name out by sharing it with the online community. Not only that, but he got direct feedback from the community on anything from source code bugs to overall structure. It's the perfect way to improve the quality of a book - listen to your readers and see where most people would like an improvement, then simply improve it (given, of course, that most of your readers aren't complete morons ;). In fact, this model proved so successful he went on and wrote two other good books "Thinking in C++" and "Thinking in patterns" in much the same way.

    It kind of has some similarity with an open source project with the author in control and deservedly so reaping all the monetary profits. The community on the other hand profits from a very useful book, that you can buy in order to take advantage of the "paper-format" as opposed to a PDF displayed on your monitor, or simply to support the author (yes, not everyone is entirely egoistic in this world). And those poor students who can't afford spending to much money get a great product absolutely for free. And perhaps a couple of years down the road a few of them will write a book just like that about the next programming language that comes around or start some kind of other open collaborative project that benefits the community..

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  77. The future of for-pay programming: SaaS... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After working with computers for over 20 years and being online for over 10 years, I have come to the conclusion that the only way to make money as a programmer online is to be involved with with 'software as a service'. Otherwise you may as well give your programs and/or source code away for free or don't bother to program at all. Thanks to sites like (original) Naptster and The Pirate Bay, digitally encoded products are effectively worth $0 -- 'no one' is willing to pay for downloadable content unless it is worth FAR more to them than what price is being asked for it (such as serial codes for very expensive retail software). Apparently, the attitude is that 'I *paid* to get online, that's all I'm willing to pay'.

    That's why online businesses that are attached to the internet infrastructure or the physical economy are able to make a buck online -- everyone else trying to make a buck online apart from the 'software as a service' business model are effectively wasting their time....

    Give it up, the gold rush days of the internet are OVER....

    The internet nowadays is nothing but entertainment or a source of information for 'the little guy' -- for everyone else it is either a moneyspinner or a moneypit.

  78. He isn't an underdog author as suggested by acid06 · · Score: 1

    Paulo Coelho isn't an underdog author at all. He's actually the best selling Brazilian author of all time. He's sold more than 100 million copies of his books in multiple different countries.

    This isn't a guerrilla marketing thing or anything like that. He doesn't need more marketing at all.

    I hope people see this as a proof of concept showing that online sharing doesn't actually hurt sales - even for the big ones - it actually improves sales. Most people who wouldn't buy his book still won't buy it but hey, they can talk to friends who might buy it. At worse, he was able to spread his ideas and his art which might pay off as a personal achievement.

    To be honest, I think his books suck. But, if this is really true, kudos to him.

  79. trope de elite by gabrielgranado · · Score: 1

    The Brazilian film "Trope de Elite" made huge success this year in Brazil. The film "leaked out" to the internet months before it was at the cinema. Since the film was so good, people who downloaded it from the internet are actually contacting the film producers to "pay" for it. The film producers appreciated that and suggested that this noble souls to transfer the money equivalent to a cinema ticket for an anti-cancer institution. The link is portuguese: http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Cinema/0,,MUL252921-7086,00-PRODUTORES+DE+TROPA+CRIAM+CONTA+PARA+RECEBER+DOACOES+DO+PUBLICO.html

  80. Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You *can* download books - on the net, using p2p, copy the file from your friend. It is not hard for an average person or author to do this once the book has been scanned/ocr'd.

    In addition, you can now get a new version of these. Previously the copy was in rtf, doc or PDF and would be 'sort of okay' to read via computer monitor. Now they have versions that are suitable to print on A4. Download file, print, bind and viola - book (albeit) in A4.

    What you now have to ask yourself is: will a lot of people do this?

    On this topic, I note that in Australia paperbacks are now over $20 for many titles. From the Wikipedia article on paperback books:
      Paperback editions of books are issued when a company decides to release a book in a low cost format.

    Before I found out that the paperback was designed to be the 'cheap' version of books I was horrified at the rising costs of paperbacks. I bought hundreds (literally) of paperbacks for between AU$5 and $14. When the price rose over $15 I just stopped buying. A few years later I found the price to be just under $20 and pretty much rarely bought anything.
    The interesting part here is that before when I was buying $10 books I hardly had the money.. and now that I *do* have money I can't easily justify over $20. I'll go out of my way for a Simon Green that's got a 20% store discount mind you :)

    I believe that they are working themselves into their own economical mess. I've spoken with the book store staff, publishers, librarians and anyone else who I've come across with an interest in this. They all say the same thing 'it's costing too much to produce and sell paperbacks, less people are buying them'. I've been very blunt with store managers, to the point of saying I would buy 5 to 10 books on the spot, right then, if they were $10 to $15. Oh well.

    I've heard about machines that can print a book on demand. Pity they will never bring it here, I've love to go the 'buy 10 and save' option on one of those.

  81. Pirate Coelho by pageturners · · Score: 1

    Most people are honest, and will buy stuff it it's realistically priced for what it does. Coelho has found millions of new readers who love his ideas, and so will go on to buy his books for themselves and for friends. Good marketing. It's when people's ideas are stale and their sales start to decline that they get paranoid about pirating.