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Experiment Shows Traffic 'Shock Waves' Cause Jams

Galactic_grub writes "Japanese researchers recently performed the first experimental demonstration of a phenomenon that causes a busy freeway to inexplicably grind to a halt. A team from Nagoya University in Japan had volunteers drive cars around a small circular track and monitored the way 'shockwaves' — caused when one driver brakes — are sent back to other cars, caused jams to occur. Drivers were asked to travel at 30 kmph but small fluctuations soon appeared, eventually causing several vehicles to stop completely. Understanding the phenomenon could help devise ways to avoid the problem. As one researcher comments: 'If they had set up an experiment with robots driving in a perfect circle, flow breakdown would not have occurred.'"

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  1. Brakes. Not breaks. by caluml · · Score: 4, Informative

    1. It's brakes. Brakes. Breaks is when something stops working. 2. This is obvious to anyone who has driven much. Try not to use your *brakes* on the motorway. Try to "iron out" the waves by ever so slowly dropping back when you see them approaching.

    1. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by wattrlz · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, it's an understandable mistake. They're, "Breaking" the flow of traffic, after all.

    2. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by bassgoonist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If someone breaks their car I'm sure it could cause traffic to stop moving...:-P

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    3. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by Yold · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Tailgating is a problem too. It really pisses me off, that even in non-rushhour traffic, some idiot is always less than a car-length off my back end. Leaving a buffer zone allows you to avoid using your breaks when traffic slows.

      I wonder how much aggressive driving (someone speeding up to 90, and then cutting in front of you for seemingly no reason), contributes to breaking shock waves. I've seen it happen often enough where someone will make an unnecessary maneuver to get 30 feet ahead of traffic.

    4. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dude, don't loose your mind. I was just making a joke up they're. If you come off you're rocker that quickly I wonder what you have up their in your noggin. Sounds like a screw lose or something. I mean I didn't try to effect you in anyway, but now look how you've gone and disrupted the affect the original poster had. Here me out, there are a lot of people that are knew hear. You should calm down than come back later.

      (stolen from myself)

    5. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by Strawser · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a combination of people who ride slow in the left-hand lane and speeders. The people (whom I'd like to shoot) that pull over to the passing lane and then drive the same speed as the car to their right cause rolling road-blocks. When faster-moving traffic inevitably catches up to them, it can't pass, so it builds up into a massive pack of slow-moving crap. Then, sooner or later, someone taps his brakes, and then the one behind him does it just a bit longer, and so on and so forth, until there's a stop for no reason. Meanwhile, the jerk-off in the left hand lane at the head of this rolling traffic jam is still doing just fine at 50 MPH.

      If police would enforce rules against driving too slowly (generally defined as being passed on the right (because if traffic is passing you on the right, then you need to get the fuck over)) as they do aggressive driving, the problem would be much less prevalent. Then, the faster moving traffic could pass the slower moving traffic, keep on going, and there wouldn't be any problems. Sadly, though, that's not the case in any metro-area I've dealt with. Instead, the jerkoff Sunday Driver creeping along at 50 in the passing lane just has to be dealt with, usually by getting around him in the right hand lane, then speeding up to 90 and cutting in front of him so you can pass the traffic on the right.

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    6. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by The+Night+Watchman · · Score: 4, Funny

      Damn you, sir! That post managed to hurt my brain even when I knew it was meant in jest. Grammar... terrible... must... correct...

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    7. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by T-Bone-T · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sadly enough, getting passed on the right can't be reason alone for a ticket. While I was moving, I had to block traffic with my car so my parents and my stuff could move back over into the left lane. They passed a slow truck and everyone was so impatient to get around they just started squeezing by on the right until I got in their way.

    8. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by sm62704 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Tailgating is THE problem.

      I try to stay far enough behind the car ahead of me so that when he brakes, I merely have to remove my foot from the accelerator so I don't convert my kinetic energy to heat. Of course, some dipshit always sees the three car length hole in the thirty mph traffic (you're supposed to maintain 1 car length for every 10mph anyway but none of the fucktards in Springfield do) and fills it in.

      If people maintained a reaonable distance (the 1 car lenhgth for each 10 mph) you wouldn't have this effect, or if it occurred it wouldn't be so bad.

      Every time you touch your brake for any reason whatever you throw fuel away as waste heat.

      <jk>(global warming comes from the hot air blowing out of the world's capitols)</jk>

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    9. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by arivanov · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes and no.

      I remember getting this as a result from a simple discrete model written in Turbo Pascal as far back as early 90-es. No need to make volunteers drive cars. Once the traffic exceeds a certain density waves and fluctuations in it will show up straight away. There is even some math proof of the instabilities in mass service theory. It's been a while so I cannot remember.

      Anyway, this is Japanese science. Anyone who has had to suffer from reading a Japanese publication knows what I am talking about. Phenomenal engineering, insane experimental precision and with all due respect lousy science (unless it is done by an imported foreign devil).

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    10. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As a representative of the asshats that tailgate...try to go a little faster than the speedlimit in the left lane, you won't get tailgated as much.

      In response: you can't always speed up, since sometimes the guy in front is driving slow and the people in the next lane over are driving too close to move over. You being a dangerous driver is not helping anyone and I'll more likely brake to piss you off - that way we are both being dangerous ;)

      What gets me are middle lane drivers that drive at 90km/h, when the right hand lane is free, forcing everyone to over-take (ok), or under-take (not ok)

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    11. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by Rocketship+Underpant · · Score: 2, Funny

      I always thought that people who drove aggressively (well) were smoothing out the "shock waves" by avoiding congestion and filling gaps where traffic was too spaced out.

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    12. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 2, Informative

      the jerkoff Sunday Driver creeping along at 50 in the passing lane just has to be dealt with,
      I could not agree more. These people seem to take pleasure in being a complete obstacle. For the life of me, I cannot understand why someone would willingly drive slowly in the left lane it's insane and definitely a major contributing factor to this problem.

      If police would enforce rules against driving too slowly (generally defined as being passed on the right ...as they do aggressive driving, the problem would be much less prevalent.
      While I agree, and I would like to see that enforced better, we should be careful about what we wish for. I just recently got an education (from an area police officer with ticket book in hand....$375 later) that passing on the right is ALSO illegal. See various links below:
      http://www.nysdmv.com/dmanual/chapter06-manual.htm
      http://search.dmv.org/dmv/passing%20on%20the%20right
      http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/pdf/dmv115.pdf
      http://www.onlinetrafficschoolguide.com/me-maine/driving_laws.html
      etc.
    13. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by Smidge204 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I always kinda fantasized about a switch that did the following:

        -Activate the brake lights
        -Activate a set of hydraulics to boost the read of the car up an inch or two
        -Release a little smoke from a point near the rear wheelwells
        -Play a loud screeching sound from a loudspeaker mounted under the trunk

      Simulated emergency stop! Should give those tailgaters a reason to back off...
      =Smidge=

    14. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by Deadstick · · Score: 4, Interesting
      There's nothing you can do about this.

      Maybe not, but there's something your highway authority can do about it: Adopt German rules. Passing on the right gets you a ticket; driving on the left without passing gets you a ticket.

      Flipping someone off gets you a ticket too, but that's another issue.

      rj

    15. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by omgwtfroflbbqwasd · · Score: 2, Informative

      For the life of me, I cannot understand why someone would willingly drive slowly in the left lane..

      For years this boggled me as well, but then I figured it out. Many lazy drivers don't like to change lanes and they don't like other drivers merging in front of them. Perhaps it distracts them from their cell phones or whatever else, but people like to pick a lane and camp in it.

      With the 6-10 lane mega-freeways, the traffic merging in and out of the freeway (from the right) cuts through the rightmost and middle lanes. Anyone who's in the leftmost lane doesn't have to "worry" about traffic merging into or through them.

    16. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If people maintained a reaonable distance (the 1 car lenhgth for each 10 mph) you wouldn't have this effect, or if it occurred it wouldn't be so bad.


      Sadly, automated traffic lights train people not to do this. If traffic is flowing with a lesser interval, the first time an interval of that size passes over the sensor, it triggers a light change. Result: the car leaving the large gap just makes it through the light, and everyone behind him gets screwed.

      Therefore, drivers that have learned this by observation make every effort NOT to be behind the guy leaving a gap.
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    17. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by ectal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I like the 3 second rule better than the car length rule. Regardless of your speed you should be 2-3 seconds behind the next car.

      And yes. Tailgating certainly is a HUGE problem. What's most astonishing to me is how many people shrug it off as no big deal or even justify their own tailgating behavior by saying something like: "Well, it's much worse and more dangerous to be driving slow on the freeway." This is of course utter nonsense. Tailgating is insanely dangerous, leads to a huge number of accidents, and in my mind is the equivalent of pulling a knife on someone for taking too long getting their wallet out at the grocery store.

      (I would love to see widespread police crackdowns on tailgating, but I'm guessing it's just easier to prove speeding in court so that's where the tickets go. Anyone know if that's it?)

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    18. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by sm62704 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well of course you're going to need your brakes. The point is using them as little as possible. If the light ahead is red, take your foot off the gas! The idiots who live here race from red light to red light. I'm always amused when some moron zooms past me as I coast along, only to pass him as he's starting from a dead stop at the now green light.

      That as well as maintaining a reasonable following distance, traffic permitting.

      Your post gave me visions of Frank Drebin hitting trash cans as he pulled up to a curb.

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    19. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by twistedsymphony · · Score: 2, Interesting

      passing on the right is only illegal in certain states. I know it's legal in my state but ticket worthy in some of the neighboring states.

      as for why people go all the way to the left when they get on the high way. it's just a zombie driver mentality thing. They _THINK_ they're a "fast driver" and that lane is for them, or they think that by being in that lane they're allowed to go faster.

      Some drivers just go one speed no matter what road they're on. For example: last year I needed to follow my aunt somewhere, she warned me that she was a "fast driver" and that I should do my best to keep up. On the back 30MPH roads she barreled down at about 50MPH and tail gated any slower moving traffic we encountered, we got to the highway... and she still drove at about 50MPH in the left lane holding up all the traffic behind her.

      In NH we have some other problem drivers too, we have long stretches of single lane highways with lots of passing zones. but all too often people are too chicken sh*t to pass and just slow down when they encounter slow moving traffic. What ends up happening is you'll get 2 or 3 of these people stacked up and now there are too many cars to safely pass with average on coming traffic. On more than one occasion I've passed 12+ cars in one shot that were putting along at 35MPH behind a tractor or dump truck in a 55MPH zone, though unless there is no on coming traffic at all it can be a rather dangerous maneuver. Completely avoidable if the slow vehicle would just pull over, or other drivers would grow a pair and pass. I know lots of people who claim they never pass because they're afraid to pull into the oncoming traffic lane even when it's completely clear.

    20. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by Robber+Baron · · Score: 4, Funny

      I was thinking more along the lines of a depth charge style launcher that would roll a bowling ball out the trunk or tailgate when a button was pushed.

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    21. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by fumblebruschi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think the real problem of tailgating is that it becomes an ingrained habit, and the drivers who do it tailgate in all circumstances on all roads. Yesterday I was driving at 65 MPH in the right-most lane. Traffic was not particularly congested. To my left was a big rig, some hundred yards back but moving faster than I was. In the left-most lane were a few cars passing by at about 80. So a car appears further back in the right lane doing 90 or so. He didn't want to slow down the time it would take for the 80 MPH cars to get far enough ahead of the big rig to change lanes safely, so he decided to shift two lanes over to the right lane, pass the big rig on the right, and then change two lanes again to get in front of the other cars in the left lane. However, just as he changed lanes, the road graded downward and the big rig picked up speed, so by the time the speedy guy got up on the right of the big rig the gap between the rear of my car and the front of the big rig was too small for him to get through. So he angrily rode right on my rear bumper, so close I couldn't see his headlights, though even an idiot could see I had nowhere to go, since there was a car ahead of me and a big rig to my left and a Jersey barrier to my right. And I'm sure that guy thinks he was being a really good driver, and I'm sure he self-righteously complains that other people are morons who don't know how to drive.

    22. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by ectal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Right. In the area I'm in, I see that kind of behavior all the time. And you're right that it's a mentality and habit that follows the driver everywhere. I've had people tailgating me through 20mph school zones. For that matter, I've had people tailgate me in parking lots.

      Another interesting aspect of the problem is how many people who aren't these kind of habitual tailgaters will become tailgaters when speeds drop, e.g., on exit ramps. They maintain a safe distance until the speed gets down to 50 or 40mph. Then it's as if they forget that much past 30mph is fatal crash territory, and they plant themselves one foot off the next car.

      I think the root cause for all this is a lack of respect for how potentially dangerous driving is in general. You won't find large numbers of gun owners who play with guns like toys (though they're out there), but you can find plenty of people who treat driving with all the care and attention they put into watching TV. There just isn't enough respect for driving. If there were, accident rates would plummet. I'm just going to hold out hope for a day when reckless driving is rare.

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    23. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by ninjagin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I carry 5-6 ball bearings (steel buckshot, really, 1/4 in diameter) when I ride. They're easy to get to with gloved hands, virtually invisible to anyone behind you, simple to drop and totally non-recoverable. The effect is no different from what happens when a dump truck or tractor-trailer throws a pebble. Harmless, but effective. As for road rage, I'm not nearly as angry as I used to be -- I don't even flip the bird anymore, but I do still carry a ball peen hammer in the right side saddlebag just in case. A motorcycle can accelerate faster, corner more quickly and brake more effectively than any car. If I want to find and meet any car on the road, I can do it with ease. However, after my last roadside encounter with a motorist some ten years ago, which gained me a charge of menacing and the motorist a charge of reckless endangerment, the cop who responded gave me the advice to keep my ass in the saddle no matter how PO'd I become. He was a motorcycle cop. I've followed his advice ever since. Oh, btw, we each agreed to drop the charges we filed on each other in the end, saving lots of tax dollars and lawyer bills.

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    24. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by Dread_ed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your self righteous attitude is the cause of hundreds of lost hours of time for people all over the world. Instead of trying to be a one-sided-Buddha, teaching everyone patience, why not express some compassion and move over for faster moving traffic. Plus, if you are as patient as you wish other people to be you won't mind hopping into the slow lane for a few seconds.

      Of course if you are motivated by some other less honorable sentiments you will continue to act as you do and feel justified and prideful about it.

      Also, be aware that there are varying circumstances that may cause someone to drive faster than you. Your statement that it is because of some dissolusioned consumer fantasy belies your presupposition that the people who drive faster than you are somehow inferior to you. Believing a lie and then becoming irrationally angry with you because you show them the truth of the world makes an easy straw man to flatten. However, consider that you might be stopping someone from reaching an important destination in an appointed time. Like the time my father was in the hospital. His respiratory doctor called me and said he was not breathing without assistance and that I had very little time to get there to see him before the DNR orders took effect. I was across town at work and had no idea if I was going to get to see my father alive ever again. I cannot tell you how frustrating it was to deal with people *just* *like* *you* as I made my way to see if my father was still alive, to talk to me one last time.

      But hey, one thing I have learned is that people act as they feel they must. Compelled is a good word. People who drive faster than me, I move over for them. People who drive slower than me, I just wait till I can pass them. Understanding that they have their own internal motivations that I probably do not understand makes it easier to live and let live. When I catch myself assigning characteristics, thoughts, and motivations to people driving near me I just take a deep breath and realize that I don't know why they are doing what they are doing and it is best to work cooperatively with people, even if I have never met them.

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    25. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by Rich0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you're in the left lane and overtaking traffic in the right lane, you're fine in my book.

      If you're in the left lane, and just keeping pace with traffic in the right lane, and there is somebody behind you, you should try to move over for them when safe to do so.

      It is just courtesy. I have all the patience in the world for somebody who passes somebody else slower than I might. I get really annoyed when two cars drive in side-by-side formation for 5 miles. As long as you're passing I don't care what your absolute speed is.

    26. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by ohsoot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's 1 car length for every 10 mph over the speed limit. Jackass.

    27. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by RiyazShaikh · · Score: 2, Funny

      >> Every time you touch your brake for any reason, God kills a kitten
      There... that should have the right effect.

    28. Re:Brakes. Not breaks. by tomthegeek · · Score: 2

      Abso-fucking-lutely. Especially all the assholes that pay with a check. It's 2008 douchebag, get a debit card already. If you absolutely have to pay with a check you better goddamn well have everything filled out except the amount before you get to the register and if you sit there balancing your checkbook I'm gonna come over there and shove your balance sheet down your throat. Just because you live in the 19th century doesn't mean I want to.

  2. That's why I never use my brakes by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have respect for my fellow drivers, and only use the gas pedal. Breaking is for pussies.

    1. Re:That's why I never use my brakes by afidel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually if you're following at the correct distance you shouldn't need your brakes in all but the most extreme situations like getting cut off. I know I try to minimize breaking most of the time and in non-gridlock situations I can keep from touching my break pedal probably 80% of the time when the car in front of me touches theirs. It requires looking several cars ahead and easing off the gas well ahead of the ripple location but if more people drove like this I bet most of those stupid sudden stop points could be eliminated.

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    2. Re:That's why I never use my brakes by coop247 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In case it hasn't already been said, GET OFF YOUR F***ING CELL PHONE AND DRIVE MORON. Whew, needed to get that off my chest.

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    3. Re:That's why I never use my brakes by T-Bone-T · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When traffic gets slow, I love getting behind a semi. I might not get up to speed as quickly once I'm past the problem area but I can maintain close to the same slow speed for a long time. It makes the situation much less stressful.

    4. Re:That's why I never use my brakes by Steve525 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually if you're following at the correct distance...

      You, sir, have never driven on any of the highways near NY city. If you had, you would know that it is impossible to drive the correct distance behind the car in front of you. It's not merely that you'd be only person on the highway doing such a thing (annoying the cars behind you); it's that those car lengths will instantly be taken up by people cutting in front of you. You would then be forced to slow down, and the process would repeat until you find yourself driving backward.

    5. Re:That's why I never use my brakes by Sanat · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Oh, and that turn signal thingy...try using is occasionally."

      Here in Appalachia if a vehicle has its turn signal on then it usually indicates that the vehicle was shipped from the factory that way.

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    6. Re:That's why I never use my brakes by mapkinase · · Score: 2, Funny

      You think you are smart, ah? I bet you would not be able to do that while talking on the phone and sipping coffee at the same time.

      Gotcha!

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    7. Re:That's why I never use my brakes by mapkinase · · Score: 2, Funny

      So basically you are proposing to pay attention to driving during driving? But how I can drink coffee and talk on the cell phone at the same time if I am paying attention to the road? Your proposals are outrageous!

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  3. Faulty drivers by mhifoe · · Score: 4, Funny

    caused when one driver breaks Maybe some more reliable drivers would have made the experiment more successful.
  4. "caused when one driver breaks" by Kingrames · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well there's your problem right there.

    You wouldn't have this problem if you wrote your own drivers.

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  5. physorg by _14k4 · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's already been done here, on Slashdot - already solved by the math guys, outlined on physorg.

    But really any time I can see math at work in my day-to-day commute, is a good day to me. Also, it's fun to reach out and "touch" the asshole 200 yards behind you...

    1. Re:physorg by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, and the other part of science is...

      GOING INTO THE FIELD AND DOING PRACTICAL EXPERIMENTS.

      By the look of it, it looks like these researchers confirmed what the mathematicians predicted would happen. Someone brakes too hard, or too early, and the rest of the flow of traffic behind them is now all fucked up.

      I swear, I've seen people bitch that "oh, problem could've been busted on mythbusters if they just did the math and left it at that" and not realize that the follow through is to... DO THE EXPERIMENT. Science occasionally is fun work out in the field and not just theoretical models.

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    2. Re:physorg by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yup and researched and discovered more than 5 years ago. Unless there is something vastly different from Japanese drivers compared to the drivers here in the usa it's simply confirmation that the research done by grad students here is 100% correct.

      Anyone that has paid attention and driven in heavy city traffic has seen this. The hill coming into detroit on I96 you can watch in the early morning a wave of breaklights coming to you from a mile away. the undulation continues for the next 30 miles and probably lasts for most of the commute times.

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    3. Re:physorg by _14k4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I mentioned no such nonsense... I was reiterating that it was shown, mathematically... and my reply stated that "omg I enjoy it when math backs up real life. btw here is the physorg link." I didn't really bitch about /. reprinting a story, or "old news" and all of that.

      Frankly, I think the only reason one could do this experiment is for the excuse to drive little cars in the name of science.

      So, quityerbitchin' and realize that I was backing up the experiment with math.

  6. dark helmet by twoboxen · · Score: 4, Funny

    I knew it... I'm surrounded by *ssholes.

    Keep braking, *ssholes!

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  7. Re:no such thing as perfection by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're missing the point of the experiment. Yes, in reality, something like that is incredibly likely. But the idea here is to study the effects other humans have on each other in dense driving situations.

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  8. stability by backwardMechanic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    'If they had set up an experiment with robots driving in a perfect circle, flow breakdown would not have occurred.'

    Is that true? If the robots had been fixed to a set driving speed (open loop), maybe. But if the robots had some sort of collision avoidance, it could still happen. It's instability in the control algorithm, no?

    1. Re:stability by bondsbw · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Absolutely. Last semester in my graduate robotics class, I had robots follow each other through loops (eventually meant to simulate an intersection control technique). I used collision avoidance on each robot.

      I first tested each loop in simulation. The robots would all start at the same acceleration. At a certain saturation of robots, the whole system would break down due to the "waves" of traffic congestion caused by collision avoidance.

      Mind you, this was with simulation that was nearly perfect (the only imperfections would have been in thread timings).

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    2. Re:stability by teslar · · Score: 2, Informative

      It probably has to do with reaction time. If the robots maintain perfect velocity synchronicity with the car in front, you'd probably not see the wave propagation. On the other hand, if the robots were configured to have a response "delay" ( on the order of, say, half a second or so ) and minor errors in estimated velocity correction you'd probably see something just like you'd get with humans.
      Doesn't work that way. Response delays are a given, you don't have to configure them in explicitly. Signal comes in from the sensors, has to travel a certain length of wire - this takes time. Signal has to be processed, response computed - takes time. Response has to be communicated to whatever reaction mechanisms you have (throttle, brakes...) - takes time. Mechanism has to be activated - takes time. etc. Granted, everything is on the millisecond scale, but there is no such thing as a zero-delay response and thus no such thing as perfect velocity synchronicity.

      Ditto with "estimating" velocity correction or even just velocity and the velocity of the guy ahead - you don't have to explicitly introduce errors, they're already part of the system (we wouldn't call it an estimate otherwise). Heck, even making sure that you're actually travelling at the velocity you think you're travelling at is not all that easy - there are a lot of mechanical parts between you and the wheels on the road, they'll introduce fluctuations (including the wheels and the road themselves) - so just because you figured that injecting 5mg more petrol for the next 62.54235ms will make you reach your optimal speed of exactly 30km/h, that don't make it so; there will always be a small error.

      Point being, there is no such thing as perfection in the real world and I would advise you never to expect that of a robot or other device. Errors may be small and therefore neglectable, but they exist.
  9. Re:no such thing as perfection by Goffee71 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The M25 they mention isn't a perfect circle, which is a shame and most non-android drivers studiously ignore the speed restrictions until everything grinds to a halt. Its either 80 or nothing on the road and all the science in the world won't help.

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  10. prehistoric by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can't find the reference, but clearly remember reading about the physics of traffic jams 20 years ago.
    there are a lot of complex things going on, but two simple principles stand out
      when someone ahead of you brakes, you need some time (distance) to react
    if you are far enough away, you will slow the same amount as the person ahead of you
    if you are to close to the vehicle ahead of you, then your reaction time is such that you will over compensate and over brake; the same to the person behind you and so forth
    the trnasition between these two regimes is quite sharp

    second, people slow for any distraction - a bright sign, a hill, whatever....

    1. Re:prehistoric by foobsr · · Score: 2, Informative

      I can't find the reference, but clearly remember reading about the physics of traffic jams 20 years ago.

      I do as well, and I recall there was even software (e.g. GPSS) to simulate the phenomenon. But nice to see how an experiment validates historic findings (which have probably not made it to Google yet and thus practically do not exist).

      CC.

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  11. I love discussing traffic jams... by explosivejared · · Score: 2, Informative

    ... as much as the next guy, but it's been done here many times. Slow news day I guess, but nobody is surprised by this. It's pretty much common sense.

    See when you put cars in the article, that immediately takes away the ability to use a car analogy. No car analogies = no lively discussion, or something like that. It's an approximation. Adding Natalie Portman or something involving Ron Paul changes the equation slightly, but car analogies are where it's at.

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  12. Wow, big news. by Ihlosi · · Score: 2, Interesting
    So they managed to re-create a phenomenon under controlled conditions that anyone who has ever driven on a crowded highway can readily observe ? Whoop-de-doo.

    Then again, I remember seeing stuff like that back at the university, where they were trying to combine traffic models with a Kalman filter to achieve better traffic jam prediction. That was, uh, over five years ago.

  13. It's all the aggressive drivers... by NetDanzr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...that cut people off, forcing them to brake. What makes this even worse here in Atlanta is the fact that nobody uses blinkers to indicate they are about to cut you off. I propose a system where cars of people who cut others off are immediately stalled. That'll help the traffic flow...

  14. Its all the SLOW drivers. by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Its all the people driving SLOWLY that makes us aggressive people cut them off!

  15. robots by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If they had set up an experiment with robots driving in a perfect circle, flow breakdown would not have occurred.

    I, for one, welcome our new japanese robot driver overlords.

    but seriously, I take this as a hint as to what is to come in the future for japan.

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  16. Re:Interesting, but not a solution by FuzzyDaddy · · Score: 5, Interesting
    As someone who has been commuting at least 45 minutes for most of my career, I've had a lot of time to think about traffic. I've always thought that traffic can be compared to a phase transition, such as ice freezing. Now this is fuzzy, I haven't done mathematical models or anything.

    Breaking or other external factors (an accident or flashing lights by the side of the road) can certainly precipitate a change from a swiftly moving flow to a slow moving flow. However, they only cause a transition when the density is high enough. If there's an accident during a low traffic time, you whiz by it. If they close two lanes out of four, and it's low traffic, you get a little backup, but it reaches a modest steady state size in low traffic. In high traffic you get a "wave" - the backup moves steadily backwards from the scene of an accident, and remains after the accident clears.

    I often tell my wife that I can tell if a slowdown is just due to high volume or an accident by the abruptness of the slow down. An abrupt slowdown, I think, means heavy traffic "precipitated" into a jam by an external event.

    So braking as described may be a precipitating event, but it's the sensitivity of the traffic flow to it that is the fundamental issue. I'd guess that even if people didn't brake so much, in those sensitive conditions a fender bender by the side of the road could cause a major backup.

    (Clearly, I've thought about this WAY too much.)

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  17. Speed of light trumps wave speed by starglider29a · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have long thought that if there was a pair of LED's in the upper left corner of the vehicle, that indicated "at/above speed limit" or "below speed limit" this would solve many problems. The problem is that, like sound in gas, the notification to slow down is given by the car in front of you only (the molecule about to bump you).

    But I could see a half a mile of cars all with little green lights, I could see (at the speed of light) the wave of yellow lights approaching and ease off the gas. The wave would be absorbed by this 'viscosity'. Traffic would flow near the speed limit or average flow rate, whichever the LED's were keyed to.

    And don't even get me started on those GPS nav screens. Don't show me were I am. Show me where everyone else is. Let me see the compression 2 miles ahead and I'll chill (heh heh kinetic gas pun).

    1. Re:Speed of light trumps wave speed by czmax · · Score: 2, Insightful


      somebody said:
      > if there was a pair of LED's in the upper left corner of the vehicle, that indicated "at/above speed limit"
      > or "below speed limit" this would solve many problems

      You have a logic failure:

      1. If the 'speed limit' is 65 and the flow of traffic is about 55 then everybody's lights would be "red" and there would be no wave visible. Existing brake lights provide an approximation that is more direct than your suggestion.

      2. You assume that people actually look this far ahead and think while driving. Many many folks just watch the car directly in front of them. No "solution" that depends on changing the non-forced behavior of the drivers will work. (An example of a forced solution would be the access ramp lights that make people stop before getting on the freeway -- people hate them and would never do that voluntarily even though they work).

      We need to invent cars that drive themselves and then the driver can watch a movie and let the robotic algorithms take over the world.

  18. "Those who forget the past", etc, etc, etc by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Very silly article. IIRC traffic researchers in the mid 60's figured out the same thing, by running simulations on a 0.22 MIPS IBM/360. In FORTRAN.

    Guys, there really is a benefit to hitting the library and thumbing through back issues of ld technical journals.

  19. Modern Marvels by Ranger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I saw a History Channel Modern Marvels episode in highway tech and one researcher was using computer models and he determined it only takes one car to fuck things up for the rest of us. Let me repeat that it only takes one car driving slower than the rest of us to cause congestion and traffic jams on the highway.

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  20. Re:no such thing as perfection by gwait · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Agreed, this is a classic feedback loop control problem, nothing really new at all, except that an electronic control system could easily iron out the resonances in this case.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_theory

    In the human case the basic problem is with reaction time, a little worse than a tenth of a second.

    Say a driver slows down for 5 seconds then returns to normal speed. The one right behind him has to slow down, but takes a tenth of a second to respond. The one behind him also has to slow down, now two tenths of a second later than the originator, and so on, by the time you get one hundred cars back the slowdown is 10 seconds behind the original event. The slowdown event in this case travels backwards like a wave at a rate of a tenth of a second per car "space", which is the car length plus the gap that the driver leaves in front of his car for safety.

    If the slowdown wave travels backwards at the same speed that the cars are driving, you get one of those annoying events where everyone has to slow down at the same point on the highway (because the car in front had to slow down and so on), but there seems to be no reason for the holdup.

    Being humans, the model is a poor approximation, some drivers might see the brake lights of a few cars ahead and react sooner, others are busy talking on cellphones and react later etc..

    A reasonably well designed computerized driving system could easily remove the resonances, reacting far faster than humans, it would not be too difficult to design one that reacted in less than a millisecond or better.

    I'm surprised the researchers seem to be discovering this now? Anyone bored and stuck in this kind of stop and go traffic on a freeway (and a little bit observant..) would have noticed this long ago.

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  21. Even older than that by Scareduck · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I read a study prepared for Caltrans back in the 70's that deduced exactly the same thing. The state of traffic "science" seems to be about repeating the same insight over, and over, and over ...

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    1. Re:Even older than that by AP2k · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thus, we see the wave propagation in science articles.

  22. This has been done before by vivin · · Score: 2
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  23. 1998 called! by bigattichouse · · Score: 4, Informative

    1998 called and wants Its amazing news back Except he even built animated Gifs to illustrate!

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  24. Re:it's mindboggling by edittard · · Score: 2, Funny

    Perhaps Slashdot stories have a similar mathematical structure - even the dupes come in waves...

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  25. Obvious by magicalyak · · Score: 2, Informative

    This phenomenon is obvious also to those who have gone through basic training. Often in marches you have the accordian effect where the front group is fine but due to small time differences in stopping and starting, that are amplified backwards, the rear unit often is running and stopping. The same occurs on the road whereby one person brakes and then many others brake before they need to. When traffic moves, people tend to start slower than needed. This is what creates these "phantom menaces" that backup traffic for no reason. Oh, that and people don't know how to merge correctly!

  26. Not that simple by Gription · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I really hope that this isn't truly a "new" discovery. If someone sits and thinks about it it should be really obvious. I have posted a basic explanation as a comment to a number of blogs and I'm not a traffic engineer.

    Once traffic reaches a point of saturation ANY change is flow will bring traffic to a halt. This includes things like a road feature that makes people accelerate, a merging or diverging ramp, or a hill or corner that allows people to see farther ahead inducing them to adjust their speed.

    Any change in relative speed will at some point cause a person to slow down. If they are accelerating they will slow when they get close to the car in front. If they are slowing then that is obviously a slow down. Each car behind this change reacts to it after a delay. The longer the delay the more they have to react. People tend to react much slower then they normally would because very few drivers focus primarily on driving. They only use the minimum attention that is necessary. This just makes the problem worse. It only takes a few cars for a subtle adjustment to become a complete stop. The length of time each successive car is stopped will become longer and longer.

    To make the problem worse the same 1 to 2 second delay in reaction applies to the acceleration of the vehicles after the slowdown/stop. Every fraction of a second that a person delays accelerating is adding to the stacking of the delay.

    To look at another aspect of a slowdown...
    If you have a smooth flow of traffic at a fixed speed you will have a certain number of cars passing a point on the road per minute. If you have a slowdown you will reduce the number of cars passing per minute. But the traffic was already at a capacity flow so the number of cars feeding into this situation continues unabated. It is obvious that the flow of traffic is done until the quantity of vehicles feeding into the situation is drastically slowed to less then the flow of traffic at the restriction. (In Orange County, CA that means waiting till after 6:30PM for a situation that started at 3:00PM.)

    What can be done about this without building a vastly increased number of lanes? (The I-405 is already 14 lanes in central Orange County. Increasing it to 20+ lanes would cost billions and in 20 years when they are done we would need 30+ lanes...)

    A big improvement could be made through driver training (Yeah right...). Teaching people how to merge can reduce the constant forced slowdown from cars merging onto a freeway at less then freeway speed. The correct speed to merge at is 5 to 10 MPH FASTER then the flow of traffic. A car won't accelerate quickly but it will slowdown quickly so you simply drive down the on ramp picking the hole in traffic you will merge into and brake into that hole matching speeds. This minimizes the disruption. "Freeway Meters" on an onramp actually make this problem worse on a freeway that is still flowing at a reasonable speed because they reduce the distance that a car has to accelerate insuring that they enter the roadway at a reduced speed causing traffic to slow down for them.

    Teaching people to slowdown after they are on an offramp will also help reduce the disruption to traffic flow. Most drivers slow down a minimum of 10mph before the exit the roadway causing large backups for open free flowing offramps.

    To reduce the effect of slowdowns you can teach people to look past the car in front of them and try to slowdown before the car in front of them, which can reduce the quantity of speed they have to scrub off. If they look ahead and start to accelerate earlier this will cause a similar improvement in reduction of traffic impediment.

    (Truth is that you will never be able to teach people to change their driving habits because their cell phone, their coffee, and their daydreams are way more important then driving the 1-1/2 tons of steel they are sitting in.)

    1. Re:Not that simple by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 5, Informative

      I really hope that this isn't truly a "new" discovery.
      It's not. This guy was an amateur looking at the problem a decade ago.
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    2. Re:Not that simple by omeomi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I really hope that this isn't truly a "new" discovery. If someone sits and thinks about it it should be really obvious. I have posted a basic explanation as a comment to a number of blogs and I'm not a traffic engineer.

      I think what's new here is that it's been shown in an actual experiment using real cars, rather than just theorized or modeled in a computer.

    3. Re:Not that simple by It'sYerMam · · Score: 2, Insightful
      This already is taught, at least in the UK. Well, it's in the Highway Code, and my instructor drilled it into me, although from the tips everyone started giving me after I got my full license, perhaps they didn't think this was the norm. Problem is not that people aren't taught it, as far as I can see (unless my instructor was exceptional, which, I suppose, is possible) but that people ignore what they're taught.

      The problems with merging and so on would essentially evaporate if people dropped back a bit from the vehicle in front, planned ahead and took action a bit earlier - it doesn't matter if someone hasn't had a chance to accelerate up the slip-road and causes you to slow down if the guy behind you isn't sniffing up your exhaust; they can smoothly brake to match speed with you.

      As an aside, your talk of potentially building 20 lane motorways scares me - 8 lanes in total is large for a British motorway.

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    4. Re:Not that simple by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not. This guy was an amateur looking at the problem a decade ago.

      I've talked with the local head government transportation guy, and he said the term that they called this phenominon is the "accordian effect".

      I think main motorways should be allowed to use the shoulders when traffic is backed up (w/o rumble strips). But you can get in some legal trouble if you do that today.

      I also just think that cars don't scale well, and we just need a better way to get from point A to B.

    5. Re:Not that simple by jlp2097 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think what's new here is that it's been shown in an actual experiment using real cars, rather than just theorized or modeled in a computer. This has been known and studied for a long time in theory and practice. I remember seeing pretty much the exact same experiment on a pseudo/popular-science TV show in germany, called "Welt der Wunder" about two years ago. Proof. Even though the link is in German, there is a date (January 2007) and the picture at the top right shows the experiment. They also mention that there were no problems using 8 to 10 drivers at 30 km per hour, but adding more drivers made these waves occur until everybody slowly stopped. So I don't see how this is newsworthy...
    6. Re:Not that simple by fubatsaturn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Using shoulders is a BAD idea. Shoulders are there for breakdowns - what happens if traffic is backed up, people are used to driving on the shoulders, and now the shoulder is closed because of a disabled car?

    7. Re:Not that simple by internewt · · Score: 3, Funny

      Its always a BMW because they think they own the fucking roads. They also rarely indicate, and if they do it'll be incorrectly.

      Mercedes drivers are awful too, but has anyone noticed just how much of a wanker the average Audi driver seems to be these days? Many car buyers are fashion victims, and I think some of the "cooler"[1] BMW drivers are moving to Audis.... I don't think its a co-incidence that the newer Audis look more aggressive than the BMWs.

      [1] shallower or wankerer

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    8. Re:Not that simple by Scottie-Z · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've seen this in a textbook published in 1998, which contains references to papers dating from the 1960's. That text highly recommendeds a collection of review articles found here, and what appears to be a later book by the same author is here.

    9. Re:Not that simple by jonbryce · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe you should visit the M42 in Birmingham, England, where a trial of allowing people to use the hard shoulder at peak times was considered a success, and it is going to be rolled out across the rest of the country.

      What happens if there is a break down? You are back to three lanes of traffic, just like there would have been if you had never allowed driving on the hard shoulder in the first place. The rest of the time, you get an extra lane.

    10. Re:Not that simple by wattrlz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd guess the same thing that happens when any other lane of traffice is closed by a disabled vehicle: people will get annoyed. If you open the shoulder up to traffic it won't be like it is now with one or two morons doing 90 on it while everybody else clucks their collective tongue and waits for aforementioned morons to smack the guard rail. The new lane will receive its share of traffic plodding along at the same pace as all the others. That pace will just be a little tiny bit faster.

    11. Re:Not that simple by pdh11 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This already is taught, at least in the UK.

      Right, I first learned about this from my GCSE Chemistry teacher in about 1986. He'd been in North Africa in the war, where supply convoys could easily be a couple of miles of a single line of traffic. Each jeep set off when it saw the one in front move, which meant that the ones at the back had to go hell-for-leather to catch up, only to realise that the ones at the front weren't going all that fast. There were regular ~100-jeep pile-ups until they instituted a system where everyone starts their engine and raises their hand when the driver in front does, then drops their hand and moves off when he does that -- which can be seen from a much greater distance along the line.

      Peter

    12. Re:Not that simple by lena_10326 · · Score: 2, Informative

      What happens if there is a break down? You are back to three lanes of traffic, just like there would have been if you had never allowed driving on the hard shoulder in the first place. The rest of the time, you get an extra lane.
      You're not considering safety. Someone broken down on the side of the road most likely will be walking around the car, possibly changing a tire, making a phone call, or walking to the off-ramp. Traffic in the shoulder is a serious danger to that person. It would also make it more difficult for the tow-truck to get to and pickup the disabled car because any gap room that would have been there is filled with cars. It would also make it a lot more difficult for ambulances and police cars to get to the accident, which is probably causing the traffic jam in the first place.

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    13. Re:Not that simple by LakeSolon · · Score: 2, Informative

      I really hope that this isn't truly a "new" discovery.

      It's not. This guy was an amateur looking at the problem a decade ago. Geez, not THAT guy again. His observations on what causes that stuff are spot on, but his proposed solutions show a complete inability to understand the concept of scaling as it applies to traffic. He notes that by keeping a larger interval in front of him, the "wave" disappears. Well no shit. Doing that simulates a small pocket of uncongested freeway. This pocket is created at the (small) expense of the cars behind him. You can't have everyone leave a larger interval because that would require the road to be carrying fewer cars. The waves are caused by too many cars too close together. no amount of driving "tricks" is going to increase the car-to-car interval without actually reducing traffic density.

      Commendable effort, but it's further proof of what my father (an engineer) has always said about engineers "Never ask an engineer to solve a problem outside his area of expertise. You'll get the most plausible sounding wrong answer you've ever heard." To respond to your specific claim:

      You can't have everyone leave a larger interval because that would require the road to be carrying fewer cars.


      The goal is not traffic density (cars per mile of roadway, f'ex) but rather traffic throughput (cars per hour).

      If you double following distance you reduce density by half*. If you were to continue at the same speed you'd also cut throughput by half. But if the extra following distance avoids propagating perturbations that would cause slowdowns your average speed may well more than double thereby increasing throughput.

      And it may not, but your claim is insufficient to show increased following distance is counterproductive to throughput (never mind safety concerns).

      * Since horses are all frictionless spheres, naturally cars must have zero length.

      P.S. The linked site is truly one of the classics of the internet. I believe it's been posted on slashdot before. And then presumably duped a couple times for good measure.
    14. Re:Not that simple by WNight · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But if the coed chokes for ten seconds before drinking the remainder of the beer she's getting less alcohol per hour than with a slower feed.

      Traffic jams leave ~1m between cars, almost at a standstill. That's a rate of one car per 5-10 seconds, at best. If they left 40m between cars and cruised at 100kph you'd get roughly three cars in the same time.

      The faster and smoother emptying rate of the highway should actually empty the feeder roads faster than it would if everyone crammed on at once.

  27. Maybe the first experiment, but hardly new by theonlyaether · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wow, I thought this was common knowledge already, at least within traffic engineer circles. In my little world, anyway here's a report from 1994...

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  28. Very cool traffic sim by nozzo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I played with this a couple of years back:

    http://vwisb7.vkw.tu-dresden.de/~treiber/MicroApplet/

    shame this post is buried down deep :-(

  29. Re:It's the friggin on/off-ramp idiots... by Mesa+MIke · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Moral of the story: If you're afraid of driving, don't!

  30. Traffic flow analagous to supersonic flow by ukemike · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was taking compressible fluid dynamics (that's the study of supersonic flow) when I picked up a book about traffic engineering. I noticed one of the formulas was very similar to a formula I was using lots in class. I looked more closely and realized that both equations must be describing similar phenomena. I've driven hundreds of thousands of miles since then, much of it in heavy traffic. A typical problem you solve in compressible fluids goes like this: there is air flowing in a pipe at over M=1 and there is a constriction in the flow. What is the velocity and pressure after the shock wave. It's a lot like traffic is moving at high speed and high density down a 4 lane highway and one lane is closed for repair.
    Of course the analogy breaks down because... well it isn't the same phenomena. Each molecule of traffic has an emotional person controlling it.

    Some of my observations:
    When traffic reaches what I call critical flow (a combination of high density and high speed) then it doesn't take much disturbance at all to cause shocks (a shock being a rapid decrease in speed combined with an increase in traffic density, they are characterized by lots of brake lights.) When traffic is at critical flow, cause and effect can have a very non-linear relationship. Even a polite lane change, or a pothole might tip the traffic from critical to supercritical (traffic jam.) Sometimes shocks are standing shocks. This tends to happen approaching a constriction in the road when traffic sufficiently far back is sub critical. Sometimes shocks propagate backwards through traffic like waves at the beach. An excellent example of this is 880 Southbound approaching the turnoff to the San Mateo Bridge around commute time. This one is interesting because there is drag introduced by people exiting 880 but the main disturbance comes, I believe, from cars in the carpool lane cutting across all the lanes to exit to the San Mateo Bridge. As anyone who has driven this stretch of freeway can tell you, traffic blasts along at 70 then everyone is standing on their brakes, then 70, then brakes, then 70, then...

    That was the best of my macro-traffic observations, here is one funny micro traffic observation. I call it the "sticky effect" or the "stupid effect" depending on my mood. If one car is overtaking another car but only going slightly faster the slower car will speed up at least temporarily to match speeds. If the passing car is going sufficiently faster then it won't happen. Two cars on a two lane road will frequently end up right next to each other as a result of the sticky effect. Causing a "moron roadblock," which is just a line of cars going too slow blocking every lane. I also call it a rolling roadblock, and when I lived in Utah I called it a mormon roadblock.

    Drive safe!

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  31. Traffic dampening. by MaWeiTao · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm convinced tailgating is the primary source of this problem. It's not so much that drivers want to tailgate but rather they're trying to drive at the maximum speed the conditions allow. This basically guarantees that they do tailgate and then are forced to brake on a regular basis to moderate their speed. And of course once anyone brakes it gets amplified because anyone behind them brakes even more. Aggravating this problem is the fact that many of these people are apparently incapable of coasting, and instead stomp on the gas every time they see an opening.

    I've read, and have observed for myself, that big trucks act as dampers. Because they brake and accelerate more slowly they need to maintain greater distance from vehicles in front of them. They can nullify a traffic wave because by the time they've reached cars which had been stopped they've begun moving again which essentially ensures that the truck continues rolling.

    I've applied this technique to rush hour traffic myself and unless traffic is particularly bad its extremely effective. Basically accelerate more slowly than the car ahead of me giving myself a considerable gap. And by considerably I mean a good 5 to 10 car gap. Then I let myself roll in first, maybe second gear. If I see cars braking ahead I regulate my speed more carefully. Most of the time, when I reach those cars ahead of me they're already accelerating again and I keep right on moving, maintaining a consistent speed.

    What disrupts this is when idiots feel the need to get into any opening they see, worse, when they can't stand the fact that I've left an opening in front of me larger than they find acceptable. To them, they're not making progress if they aren't riding someone else's bumper.

    I usually find that in rush hour this doesn't happen as frequently because people seem to be worn down an resigned to slow-moving traffic. They jockey for position a lot less frequently than they would on the weekend when heavy traffic is less common.

    Then there's the New York area where drivers are overly aggressive and downright idiotic. There's nothing to be done then. But I also think their driving habits have arisen as a result of horrendously designed and constructed highways. I think better highway design could go a long way to alleviating traffic problems.

  32. Re:It's the friggin on/off-ramp idiots... by nixeagle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Depends on the design of the on and off ramps. Those off ramps that force you to slow down to 40km/h (25mph) about 15 meters after the off ramp stops... practically forcing you to slow beforehand. :(

    Oh, and some locations have the cute idea to have an offramp and an on ramp in the same location, using the same stretch of road. Meaning you get on the freeway, and if you continue going straight you end up going off the freeway. This results in traffic trying to get on the road having to work around traffic trying to work around those that want on the road.

    Design roads better!

  33. Standing Wave Theory of Traffic by BanjoBob · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I did a study back in the early '80s about traffic congestion in Los Angeles, CA and based the study on standing waves. It described how turns in the road, and other features actually contributed to the inefficiency of traffic flow. It also explained the bunching up of traffic in a wave pattern where there are actually areas mostly free of cars every few miles while other areas are packed up very tight.

    This article is finding many of the same conclusions I had back then. Is there a fix? I don't know but traffic on a large scale is fluid.

    God help us when we have flying cars and we have to deal with idiot drivers above us and below us!

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  34. Re:Casual selfishness by pintpusher · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I agree with you somewhat, but there is another point of view on the merging problem, especially in heavy bumper-to-bumper traffic.

    Merging sooner increases the load in the merged-to lane and effectively lengthens its backup. And it wastes the available space in the merged-from lane. It also causes fluctuations in the merged-from lane as people speed up and slow down to accommodate the fluctuating availability of space. It's more efficient to use the "zipper" technique where *everyone* goes to the end of the merge lane and then zippers in to the lane alternately with those already in the lane. This makes it predictable for everyone involved. Those receiving the new cars know when to allow space and those merging in know they won't get stuck waiting for a gap.

    But it only takes one idiot stopping early in the merge lane and forcing their way in to cause a large open space in front of them. Then the people behind him are looking at a large open space, accelerate into it. They effectively pass a bunch of people in the merged-to lane pissing them off by zooming by on the right and the whole thing falls apart. .02

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  35. If more is better then too much is just right... by Gription · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You bring up an issue that connects with fuel consumption and safety on the road.

    It is pretty rare that anyone truly questions the vehicles that we buy today. People have accepted SUVs as the norm for driving around in the US for some reason. People will recite a number of reasons but in reality the only real reason is that they have become accepted as normal and 'cool'. It is just a change in peoples perception. If you had asked someone in the 1970s to select a 'people hauler' they would select a station wagon. It is lower to the ground making it safer to drive and is a much better layout for a vehicle. No one would have accepted a 70s Suburban, Blazer, or Bronco (even with a more luxurious interior) because of the perception, "That's a truck!"

    This change of perception is actively damaging our country. Moving the increased mass of these vehicles around just plain costs energy and increases wear and tear on our roadways. If you are conscious of this and want to get a reduced mass commuter vehicle you are taking your life in your hands because of the battering ram reality of a large percentage of the vehicles.

    It is really time that we do something realistic about the mass of the vehicles on our roads. A general switch to smaller lightweight vehicles would massively reduce fuel expenditures, pollution, and the smaller size would help to reduce congestion. The solution to this is to change public perception, which will probably only come about by economic reasons. The price of gas will do part of it but taxing vehicles by weight will go a long way towards making it a more equitable situation. The lighter vehicles would be rewarded for their lessened impact on the roadway and the environment. More massive vehicles would pay for increased impact on the environment, wear to the roadway, and the increased risk they pose to lighter vehicles.

    People talk about rail/mass transit as a solution to LA's transportation problems but usually it is people who haven't been here. This area is so spread out in all directions that it would take an indescribable quantity of money to build such a system. The land is insanely expensive and with the sprawling area you could spend a few years of our whole nation's federal budget to build such a system. It just won't work.

    (That guy who stole the tank down in San Diego about 5 years ago is starting to look saner and saner...)

    BTW - From trips to Europe: I love the mass transit! Munich has a rail, subway, tram, and bus system that is so good it is just fun to use it! For 15 euro you get a pass good for unlimited use of all of the above for a week! It is just amazingly convenient and cool.

  36. Ambulances are slow by reidconti · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you'll re-read the post you're responding to, you'll see he didn't care about the "casual speeder." He was criticising the maniacs who drive as much as 50% over the speed limit. Not to be insensitive, but if you were driving like that, you're doing exactly what he was criticising and risking others' lives in the process. If you were driving responsibly (although not legally) in your haste to get to the hospital, chill out. He doesn't care. Nor do I or most other people.

    Even ambulances with sirens and lights operating don't drive that fast, because the risk of seriously hurting or killing someone else is too great compared to the benefit gained from time saved. No, ambulances with lights and sirens don't drive that fast because they recognize that they're driving very slow heavy diesel trucks not meant to accelerate, brake, OR handle, and that most of their time savings therefore come from safely negotiating intersections without stopping and waiting in traffic. If they have to spend a long time on the highway there is a problem anyway, as their base is too far from the people they need to serve.

    Ambulance drivers are smart enough to realize it's unsafe to drive an AMBULANCE as fast as a car, or even most of the SUVs that soccer moms are ignorantly piloting.

    And, sorry to pull out the autobahn again, but seriously, the speed itself isn't that unsafe. I'm not saying I should be able to drive 120mph thru traffic in the US because I realize myself and my roadgoing counterparts are not as well trained, and people simply aren't expecting to see that here.

    But it's simply unintelligent to say that you can't drive quickly with reasonable safety.

    I'm sorry, but I think the OP can figure out whether a .001% increase in his .001% chance of being in an accident on this particular trip is worth it in order to see his father before he dies.

    Criticize people for causing accidents. Give them fines, even jail time if they were truly being reckless. But don't tell me my speed alone makes me 20x as likely to be in an accident.