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Calculating the Date of Easter
The God Plays Dice blog has an entertaining post on how the date of Easter is calculated. Wikipedia has all the messy details of course, but the blog makes a good introduction to the topic. "Easter is the date of the first Sunday after the first full moon on or after March 21... [T]he cycle of Easter dates repeat themselves every 5,700,000 years. The cycle of epacts (which encode the date of the full moon) in the Julian calendar repeat every nineteen years. There are two corrections made to the epact, each of which depend[s] only on the century; one repeats (modulo 30, which is what matters) every 120 centuries, the other every 375 centuries, so the [p]air of them repeat every 300,000 years. The days of the week are on a 400-year cycle, which doesn't matter because that's a factor of 300,000. So the Easter cycle has length the least common multiple of 19 and 300,000, which is 5,700,000 [years]."
In the UK the academic year is split according to the date of Easter. I recall hearing about an effort to move to a "metric" system which doesn't depend on Easter. This suddenly makes a lot of sense...
This is not a science article. Arguably it is a math article to the interested christians on /. but certainly not science.
Prospecting Stinks. Stop Wasting Time on Cold Calling.
a rational person care about calculating meaningless dates bounded by fairy tales except perhaps as a "Fun With Calendars" exercise ?
I always thought it was based on when the Hebrew calendar said the week of Passover was.
I've always thought that it is more fun to say the date of Easter is "the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Spring Equinox," rather than March 21st.
It sounds so much more Pagan my way.
And yet, it doesn't matter the slightest... over 5,000,000 possibilities to when easter will happen, and they all occur within 6 weeks of each other(Last 2 weeks of March, and all of April), all on Sundays... So I look at it as a 1 in 6 chance of knowing when easter will be each year.
Come on, there must be some way to show that the date of Easter involves the number 666. With all the brutal evil things that have been done in the christian church's name, there has to be!
There's so many lies involving easter, so many people misled that a dead person came back to life when really someone who was almost dead just made a surprising recovery, there's got to be some evil references in this!
I'm so disappointed in this article.
I bet next people will believe that this guy's mother was somehow a virgin, and not just spouting the same lies that every young, newly sexually active woman says when confronted by her parents.
George Bush + Linux = "I will not let information get in the way of the fight against Windows"
Must be a real bummer trying to reconcile all of that with the fact that we have Easter ONCE EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
I find it quite amusing that the birth of Jesus is pretty much set in stone (at least if I believe that day to be Christmas), but the date of his death (or resurrection) isn't.
;)
I guess even Christians smelled too much bullshit on the whole story, they rather kept it as vague as possible.
Christianity?
Only infantile nutjobs are permitted to possess it.
PRAISE THE LORD! HALLELUJAH!
If I can't be bothered understanding something, I'll say [deity/idol/god/prophet] made it that way. Why should I have to psychologically mature beyond the age of two years old? The great bearded, toga-wearing boogeyman floating around in the sky will save us from our sins and prevent us from ever having to accept responsibility for anything!
The date of birth of Jesus was also pulled out of the ass of some Pope. Christian Holidays were set on their particular dates to get medieval folks to stop their 'pagan' rituals and instead celebrate Christian rituals. Christmas:Winter solstice Easter:Beginning of Spring (Ostara now for you Wicans). I'm such a lapsed Catholic I can't remember the Holy days for other celestial events.
I prefer Flambe as apposed flamebait.
What?
WHAT?
How can you not have the name of Jesus in the the main paragraph!
Science ? Yea, right. By that logic astrology would be science too.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
now, does all that fancy mathematics and statements about the repetition cycle of days include the Leap Year's Lead Day, as well as the fact that it didn't exist the last time this cycle started?
"But remember, most lynch mobs aren't this nice." (H.Simpson)
-- Joe
Would people care very much is we just settled for the first sunday in april?
Feel free to tag this one under the whogivesashit category.
Er, mods ... I was being completely serious.
Do not laugh at us! Or we will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine...
And then some. "Do onto others as you would have them do unto you." - Confucius
Much of the philosophy was borrowed from Taoism and Buddhism and other Eastern thought.
I prefer Flambe as apposed flamebait.
The idea that we'll still believe in ANY religion in 5,700,000 years is stupid. We won't even be around then. Of course, fundies believe that evolution doesn't happen, and we'll remain as we are "foreveh and evah, world without end, amen pass the plate brothah".
Fundies - the ultimate proof that intelligent design doesn't exist.
Ah! The March of progress.
Next year it will be April again though.
paintball
Hope we see a followup article on how Passover is calculated - after all, they roughly conincided at least once 2000 years ago.....
Could this be the solution to the mystery of Rapa Nui?
...when you said first sunday after the first full moon after the equinox.
"Win treats sysadmins better than users. Mac treats users better than sysadmins. Linux treats everyone like sysadmins."
It's the first Sunday after the vernal equinox.
The problem isn't that the date is not consistent; it's that the date is set using a DIFFERENT CALENDAR SYSTEM.
paintball
If it is (I think it is) then the calculation of the date of Easter is an interesting demonstration of how the patriarchal Jewish religion has in fact got roots in a matriarchal religion, since its calendar is based on a lunar rather than a solar cycle. (I'm simplifying). There are plenty of clues in the OT for the educated - but educating a few Protestant fundies as to the real underpinnings of their religion might hopefully get them thinking, and thinking helps cure ignorance, and curing ignorance helps do things like stop school boards from requiring teaching Creationism. So yes, it is a scientific article.
From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
With a repeat cycle that long, they also need to calculate in leap seconds as well, which means that the repeat pattern is even longer!
Yes, it's set in stone on the wrong date.
Right. Because we have to celebrate everything in exact intervals of one earth-sun-revolution, and only whole-number interval offsets from the time of the original event.
There's no such thing as the 'right' and 'wrong' date. An event happens. Choosing to celebrate that event once a year (where "year" is the amount of time it takes the earth to go around the sun once) is arbitrary in the first place. It would be just as 'right' to celebrate it every 12 moon-earth revolutions, or 2 mercury-sun revolutions.
If you're already going to base your celebration intervals on the convenience of how often one ball of rock revolves around one ball of gas because you happen to live on said ball of rock, you might as well always celebrate something on the 259th day of the year, or the 4th time the 4th day of the week falls in the 11th month of the year, or the 1st 7th day of the week following the vernal equinox.
Getting bent out of shape because the commemoration/celebration of an event doesn't have the same calendar date as the original event - especially when the original event occured in a time period where the calendar you're using didn't even exist - seems pretty silly. Especially when you're celebrating the birth/death of the son of God.
paintball
Easter? The one with the anthropomorphic egg-laying rabbit, or the one with the zombie?
sub GetEasterDate {
my($year)=@_;
# http://www.smart.net/~mmontes/nature1876.html
my $a=$year%19;
my $b=int($year/100);
my $c=$year%100;
my $d=int($b/4);
my $e=$b%4;
my $f=int(($b+8)/25);
my $g=int(($b-$f+1)/3);
my $h=(19*$a+$b-$d-$g+15)%30;
my $i=int($c/4);
my $k=$c%4;
my $l=(32+2*$e+2*$i-$h-$k)%7;
my $m=int(($a+11*$h+22*$l)/451);
my $month=int(($h+$l-7*$m+114)/31);
my $p=($h+$l-7*$m+114)%31;
my $day=$p+1;
return (0,0,0,$day,$month-1,$year-1900);
};
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Only valid between 1583 and 4899
function! s:EasterSunday(year, return_value)
if a:year 4089
return 0
endif
let a = a:year / 100
let b = a:year % 100
let c = (3 * (a + 25)) / 4
let d = (3 * (a + 25)) % 4
let e = (8 * (a + 11)) / 25
let f = (5 * a + b) % 19
let g = (19 * f + c - e) % 30
let h = (f + 11 * g) / 319
let j = (60 * (5 - d) + b) / 4
let k = (60 * (5 - d) + b) % 4
let m = ( 2 * j - k - g + h) % 7
let n = ( g - h + m + 114) / 31
let p = ( g - h + m + 114) % 31
if a:return_value == 1
let easterday = p + 1
return easterday
else
let eastermonth = n
return eastermonth
endif
endfunction
Is it just me or does it seem like anything posted having to do with politics or religion turns into a mod point black hole?
The game.
I won't hesitate to recommend the book 'Marking Time' by Duncan Steel - it's a great book about the history and evolution of calendars. The date of easter is a particularly interesting question and Duncan goes as far as to explain how the date of Easter was at the core of an English plan to attack the legitimacy of the Catholic church and how this plan was what triggered Britain's first attempts to colonize America, great stuff.
More East.
*Ta-da-boom*
I first saw this in a Tandberg cartoon years and years ago. PIty I can't find the original.
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> The days of the week are on a 400-year cycle,
The days of the week are on a 7 day cycle. Who told you different ?
There is a 400 year cycle of leap years, but this is an approximation that is usefull for the next few hundred years. It is not known yet whether a further adjustment will be done in the year 3200 or in 3600, that is for them to determine.
As it is not exactly 400 year then using this as a 'factor' of 300,000 is pointless and wrong.
> [T]he cycle of Easter dates repeat themselves every 5,700,000 years.
We have no idea what the cycles will be in that time scale. The Earth may not have 365.24.. days in each year at that time, nor the moon have the same orbit.
Calendars are funny things.
Those who fail to understand communication protocols, are doomed to repeat them over port 80.
Easter is always either early or late. It's never when it's supposed to be.
Why does Easter change date every year and Christmas does not. Were they set based on different calendars? Otherwise it would be indeed weird that the number of months between the two days switches all the time.
Just because I'm curious : where does it say that (not that it changes anything about the meaning of the bible if it does indeed say that, but I'm curious nonetheless) ?
... (I'm sure you can fill this in, this seems to be a smaller group though)
Besides, religion isn't irrational : this article gives a few hints on why (note : if you know a bit of stuff about the differences between religions you'll find that while the arguments presented are not about one single religion, they do exclude a lot of religions, in short the article makes a lot of sense when interpreted to a christian context, and specifically compares this christian(-oriented*) belief system to atheism, it states that atheist societies exist for about 20 years while christian communities generally survive for 150 years, with a number of them being older than any reliable records (about 200 years that is))
* -oriented because of 2 facts :
1) some members of other religions are "cryptochristian", ie they believe and practice the principles of christianity, even when in direct contradiction with their stated religion
2) some christians
Of course, when these calculations consider the addition of the Easter Bunny, the Fibonacci sequence, represented as an infinite mathematical set, must be applied to the cycle result. In the end you'll find it's bunnies all the way down.
Perhaps you fail to notice that this is a long term pseudo-random number generator. A subject near and dear to the hearts of every /.er. Not bad considering the hardware they back in the day had was only slide rules and abacuses.
Behold, this dreamer cometh. Come now, and let us slay him... and we shall see what will become of his dreams.
> might hopefully get them thinking,
Science teaches people _how_ to think, religion teaches them _what_ to think.
The idea that a fundies is capable of independent thought is naieve.
How ironic, the image word is 'change', and they can't.
And it was March 19 in California. Leap day made is seem earlier.
Some people use solar calendar, some lunar. If you were truly lunar like Jewish calendar, then you could celebrate resurrection three days after Passover. But that is only on Sunday once every seven years on average. Roman church want to always celebrate Easter on a Sunday, so they developed their quirky estimate of Easter.
Back to the point. Astronomers following Jewish rules have calculated that Passover was on a Thursday during Pontius Pilate rule in year 30 (April 6) and 33 (April 2). The Bibilical King Herod died on March 13, 749 years after the founding of Rome, which is 4 BC in our calendar. So Jesus was born a little before Herolds death making Him 34ish or 37ish at death depending on the date. More people prefer the younger year if you google it. I guess he'd be about 2012 years old now, beating Mesthusaleuh!
There are millions of people who did not celebrate Easter today (23 March 2008) because they will be celebrating on 27 April 2008 (yep, 5 weeks later ... this is an unusual year). Orthodox Easter is computed to always fall after Passover (because, recall, the Last Supper was a Passover Seder).
Here's a web site that is more, um, shall we say, enlightened: http://www.assa.org.au/edm.html
One of the main differences between the calculations for Roman Catholic Easter and Eastern Orthodox Easter is in which calendar (Gregorian or Julian) is used. Use Google. It's actually quite interesting because of all the history and politics involved. It's not just simple (eg, exactly when is the moon full? over which point on the earth?) as one might think.
Put my fist through my alarm clock with its ding-dong death inside my ear. - The Blackjacks.
Your superior intellect is obvious.
If you want to say that Passover's date is set at spring pagan holiday time, you'll need to argue with your rabbi or maybe Lehrhaus Judaica about whether your druids are at all the same kinds of pagans as Caananites were. And if you want to say that the name "Easter" and the bunnies and and eggs and marshmallow chickens are ripped off from Germanic spring fertility goddess stuff, you'll have a tough time getting anybody to argue the other side except maybe some atheists who'll say that the Germanic fertility goddess folks ripped that off from nature, which provided the bunnies and eggs, or from the chemical industry who brought us marshmallow peeps.
Bill Stewart
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$unixdatenum = easter_date($year);
"Enjoy what you're doing! If it becomes drudgery, you're doing it wrong!" - Jim Butterfield
I've always thought it rather bizarre that Jesus is supposed to have been born on a fixed day (25th December), but his death (which is arguably even more important to Christianity) just kind of floats about sometime in spring. Yet presumably in Easter services the priest/vicar goes on about how "Jesus died on this day", as if it was actually a fixed date.
Why can't they just agree on a single date and stick to it? I mean, they make up so much other nonsense and claim it as hard fact, so why not this as well?
Cress, cress, lovely lovely cress
To be fair, us gentiles don't have any solid evidence that these aren't standard class features. I work next door to a Jew (not Jesus), and I've seen zero instances of leprosy in my office as long as he's worked here.
Maybe the amazing story isn't to convince us that Jesus was special, but to convince us that the Jews walking among us today are *normal*. I mean, it's working, isn't it? I've never thought that Jews could walk on water.
I bet after all those years of "Shealtiel, more bread!", they had a temple meeting and said "Fuck it, let's come up with some way we can be bankers instead of waiters -- we're pretty good at telling stories, right?".
"Our fall guy will need to be miraculous from birth, so Abieezer, you go hang out in the poor section of town, and the next Jewish kid that's born, he's our man. Take the parents some gold or myrrh or something so we're not total schmucks."
I never understood the whole stink with these fuzzy holidays. Isn't Easter supposed to be the day Jesus died or some other TV magic bullshit stunt of his ? I'm pretty sure he didn't perform complex astronomical calculations before deciding to get stabbed by a bunch of half-breeds.
I mean, Christianity is funny enough to begin with, but having a non-fixed historic date is the pinnacle of ridicule. Just pick a date and celebrate already... that's the point! The number isn't the important part. Why can't they just pull a number out of a hat and say Easter's on day N from now on ?
I only care because I celebrate post-Easter, and by "celebrate" I mean "eat lots of discounted milk chocolate". Maybe if they didn't land it on a Sunday each time, I could get a weekday off where there's actual good TV to watch, instead of the boring 60's Disney movies and Pope biographies.
-Billco, Fnarg.com
...well, at least for those fortunate enough to be
working with a system supporting that kind of stuff
(like *cough* FreeBSD *cough*):
ncal -e
see http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ncal
Without delving into the (overly?) detailed explanation at Wikipedia, I do not see any reason whatever for the celebration of someone's resurrection to be tied to the full moon. A simple calendar date would suffice, as it does for other holidays. For historical reasons, the celebration of Easter was originally tied to Passover, but there is really no reason for that to still be the case. A simple "the first Sunday after March 21" or something like that would work just fine.
Sometimes I think "the Church" makes things complicated on purpose, just to make it easier for them to retain control.
The phrase meaning "young woman" was mistranslated as "virgin". I am sure you can see how easy that would be to do, especially in a time when ALL "young women" were expected to be virgins. The historical record bears this out.
Apparently the English get a 4-day weekend (!!) for Easter. Thus it actually makes some sense for the schools to care about such things.
easter_date($year);
Every day is Easter! People like to kill Christ over and over and then make the point of reminding us in detail of the crucifiction over and over. It happened once and He lives now and forever. The Church has a habit of missing the point of much of God's Word and this puts Christians in a position to be taunted,contradicted and mis-led. I do celebrate Christian holidays but more low-key. Christians are to celebrate Christ 24/7/365. I do think it's neat how this formula was derived though and I'd rather see that as the topic here than see negative comments about Easter. A true Christian would not dare insult Islam or Judeism or any other religion but offer to share Christ's teachings instead. Please be respectful or the mod-man will stike.
It was the only profession which left time for science and contemplation ;)
only one everything
I disagree. Science tells us that, if we don't eat in a certain way, we will die prematurely. It tells us that we must recycle more plastic in order to save the planet. It tells us that the cure for depression is medication. And when we've done all those things (because we'd be stupid, lazy, immoral if we didn't) a whole new lot of science comes along and proves that the opposite is true.
A good scientific education may teach you how to think, but for most people science is something that dictates government policy, legislation, and lifestyle choices without their actually having to understand any of the details or processes. For most people, science becomes a faith. I'd bet that the average American or Briton does more things based on the latest scientific evidence than s/he does based on religious belief.
A closed mouth gathers no foot.
Copernicus: 1473-1543 Mendel: 1822-1884 Kelvin: 1824-1907 Planck: 1858-1947 Eddington: 1882-1944 Lemaitre: 1894-1966 Knuth: 1938-
So, Copernicus may have been a Christian for the sake of convenience, but I think the others had/have other choices!
A closed mouth gathers no foot.
One still has to take into account what is really going on when the word 'virgin' is used, based on the context of the writing. Even if the translation is literal, a writer might assume that a young woman is 'virginal' when she is, in fact, not. At any given time, not many people have that actual knowledge about an individual, and so it is usually nothing but an assumption, in any time or place. And given the actual record of history, that assumption is probably wrong more often than right.
Good point, flying squid. It's even harder to make revisions when the "original" explanations are full of holes.
I'm an ex-Christian; and I left as a result of rejecting their Christ due to historical/scriptural incompatibility. In searching for SECULAR Accounts of the characters who appeared in the Christian Gospel, I was disappointed, yet vindicated not to find it in abundance.
From what I've read, Josephus's entry has been mostly deemed as fraudulent, though Pilate was recorded, Jesus and his disciples' accounts weren't. Considering that he reportedly spent 3+years doing what he did - including 40 days after his alleged resurrection - not finding any abundance of secular recordings has been disappointing - and considering all the acts of conquest, inquisition, repression, and colonial fleecing (w/help from missionaries) conducted by the Churches (including all factions and cult derivatives here), unconscionable.
I recall encountering a good number of Catholic-types and Mormons "mind/dogma-policing" at Protestant Churches - even to this day.
Therefore, with unresolvable/unexplainable/inexcusable issues regarding,
-Historic/Credibility gaps - especially those affiliated with Judaism (just too many)
-Sunday Worship (via Roman Emperor IRCC - to literally worship on that day)
-Dates/events of Easter and other holidays (elements of Winter Solstice, Human Sacrifice (Tree, Wafer, and Wine) and Vernal Equinox/Goddess Ishtar/Fertility festivals)
it would appear that Christianity is an attempt by religious amalgamists of the queen of heaven/virgin-mother/birth "groups" of the day to embrace and absorb - nah - hijack Judaism. IIRC, early Christians weren't regarded well within the Rome (being unethical and lawless) until Constantine converted himself and everyone in the Empire.
Calculating days appear to make the process more complicated that it should be. The fact that the "Roman" Easter is weeks apart from Passover is in itself a gross conceptual error of the supposed premise of their religion, which demonstrates an absolute lack of integrity on their part.
Of course, as it was back then, quoting "Make Disciples of the World" while practicing "Convert or Die/Perish/Be suppressed" still seems to be an unchanging M.O. A "Big Brother" of a Beast indeed. (pun fully intended).
The Bottom Line: Easter is a Spring festival with an added bonus of a call for World Domination - if not politically, then by force. If not successful by force, then by cultural pressure (e.g., Christmas celebrated in non-Christian Countries, like Japan).
Just letting Jews and non-Jews thank (or not to thank) the Creator for the "Big Bang" and all what living on this world provides just seems too easy, I guess.
So much meddling - time to free the people!!
Season's Greetings
The sun rises in a different place on the horizon every day due to the tilt of the earth. The date of Xmas is when that location makes it's first percievable change back in the other direction from the extremity of the winter. It was when Sol Invictus (the state religion of Rome at the time when the council of Nicae first drafted the bible) celebrated the rebirth of the sun and the beginning of the end of winter. It has nothing to do with christianity except for the politics of keeping the festival days intact so the transition to christianity could be accomplished with more ease.
"A cynic is what an idealist calls a realist" - Sir Humphrey Appleby
The virgin birth was/is an essential part of the Messianic prophecies of the Jewish people. It derives from Isaiah 7:14:
This passage has been dated to a date prior to the death of Christ in the Dead Sea Scrolls -- somewhere between 335 and 107 BC. So the idea of a virgin birth was well established long before Jesus' actual birth as are many of the miracles that Jesus performed. In fact, if you study the history of the time you will find that there were many others who claimed to be the Messiah and fulfill various prophecies including King Herod himself (the king who killed all of the male babies in Bethlehem in an attempt to end Jesus' life). According to the gospels in the New Testament, Jesus has fulfilled nearly every Messianic prophecy -- far more than any other figure in history.
The only prophecy Jesus has yet to fulfill is the establishment of an eternal government of peace and holiness which Christians believe will occur at his second coming. The fact that he did not fulfill this prophecy is one of the primary reasons that Jews of that day and even today rejected Jesus as their Messiah.
There is a lot more information here to cover than I can possibly relate in a Slashdot post, but there is far, far more to Biblical and Messianic prophecies that you realize. Each miraculous act and many of the statements attributed to Jesus in the New Testament are loaded with meaning and significance to people who understand the Old Testament -- most clearly in the book of Isaiah.
I believe in de-evolution. God made the world perfect, man fell, and its been going downhill ever since!
Just because somebody is intelligent doesn't mean they're wise.
Alternately: just because somebody is intelligent means they can overcome the programming they received during their youth.
It was a way to eliminate hereditary title surely. After all, the christians were a cult following somebody they claimed that existed and who was the king of the jews. The king of the jews meant he was next in line to the thrown of David. They were trying to sell this to the romans remember. How far do you think they would have got if they said it was a bout the rightful king via succession to a thrown that had been usurped by the Roman Empire? Far better to say that his father was not Joseph who was from the line of David but rather the creator of the universe instead. Imagine if they'd said instead "Come follow the rightful king that wanted to kick the Romans out of Palestine". Wouldn't it have been easier to just jump into the ring with the lions voluntarily and cut out the middle man?
"A cynic is what an idealist calls a realist" - Sir Humphrey Appleby
and have it on whatever day Astara is? Since Easter is yet another holiday stolen from the pagans they hate so much.
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There is no calculation. Easter comes on Sunday on the First Full Moon after Spring.
So this year, Spring was Thursday the 20th of Marh, and the Full Moon was Friday the 21st of March. It doesn't come any closer than that.
I think that is the expression.
There are people that can draw very rational conclusions in one field while being completely irrational in the greater scheme of things.
That would apply to all Christian Scientists in my opinion (it is unfair to bag Copernicus and other older thinkers there, back in those times you could be punished if you did not adhere to your local religious orthodoxy, so it is not like thay had any choice).
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Zeller's Congruence has been around for many years. I have a perl program that implements it. Calculating Easter (Western) isn't rocket science.
Sigs. We don't need no steenking sigs.
Those who belong to the latter are anti-scientists who seek to replace science with religion.
Which has already been demonstrated. See the fruit fly experiment where a population of fruit flies is split in two, and after a while they stop being able to interbreed. Speciation has taken place. You also have Nylonase, where a completely new enzyme/protein has been formed in the last few decades, and if there is no limit to how proteins can change there is no limit to how the organism itself can change. You can also observe for example domestic breeding of dogs, where huge differences in both appearance and functionality (sense of smell, hearing, etc.) have arisen by artificial selection.
I notice that you still can't point to the specific barrier which prevents small changes from resulting in large changes over time. That's because you are willfully ignorant, and ignore all facts that don't match your religion.
Wrong. It is only you who are either ignorant or even willfully ignorant on the matter, YEC.
That's because Slashdot blocks replies after a while, and I'm not going to let you get away with lying and willfully ignoring facts.
I did. DNA evidence shows that we and Neanderthals share a common ancestor rather than being on the same branch.
No, I am pointing out the fact that actual scientists show YECs to be wrong.
I don't need to since real scientists are doing it already.
Show me one single example of that. Show me one single piece of new, original research by creationists published in an actual scientific journal. AiG's circle-jerk "publication" doesn't count.
You are. You are promoting pseudoscience.
No, I have pointed out that you are promoting pseudoscience and willfully ignoring facts that do not match your religion. Just because I give you shit over being an ignorant moron doesn't make the actual science behind the fact that evolution, micro or macro, any less scientific.
Wrong. An "educated guess" is called "hypothesis" in science. Evolution (macro or micro) is not a hypothesis, but a scientific theory. Educate yourself: "In science, a theory is not a guess, not a hunch. It's a well-substantiated, well-supported, well-documented explanation for our observations. It ties together all the facts about something, providing an explanation that fits all the observations and can be used to make predictions. In science, theory is the ulti
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