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Gates' Last Day At Microsoft

mrogers writes "Today is Bill Gates' last day as a full-time employee of Microsoft. After 33 years at the company, the one-time richest man in the world will be retiring at 52 to spend more time guiding the charitable Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. What would you buy him as a retirement gift?"

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  1. Ooh! Oooh! I know! by clang_jangle · · Score: 5, Funny

    What would you buy him as a retirement gift?"



    A shiny, new laptop loaded with Vista, of course. He's earned it!

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    1. Re:Ooh! Oooh! I know! by Gat0r30y · · Score: 3, Funny

      And a big bottle of scotch to drink - something nice, maybe a highland single malt number, that should ease the pain.

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    2. Re:Ooh! Oooh! I know! by rhyder128k · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nah! Get him a doll from realdoll.com. One modelled on a "typical computer user". Then he can do what comes naturally, and... well basically continue what he's been doing all along to the typical computer user.

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    3. Re:Ooh! Oooh! I know! by stretch0611 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What would you buy him as a retirement gift?"

      Nothing. I have already given him enough money by paying for his OS when I want to run linux.

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    4. Re:Ooh! Oooh! I know! by bloodninja · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The man should be given a Nobel Peace Prize. Windows has done more to make technology available to non-tech experts than anyone else.


      The man should be given a Nobel Peace Prize. Windows has done more to make money for techies due to the unnecessary complexities imposed on non-tech experts than anyone else.


      There. I corrected it for you. No you dolt. Press control X. Everyone knows that. Pay up.

      I credit Windows for bringing the price of consumer hardware down, especially Vista. Just think, if Vista were not so HW-heavy would we have today Dual- and Quad- core processors and _Gigabytes_ of RAM for so cheap? People who use an OS that does not need all that (Ubuntu, for instance) can literally have a system that is four times as powerful as they need, for the same adjusted cost of what a regular system would have cost only three years ago.

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    5. Re:Ooh! Oooh! I know! by texaport · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ten years ago I bought some shares of Microsoft stock shortly after the release of Windows 98 -- I'd buy him a gift with every penny he earned me as a shareholder since that day.
      If you had just bought 36200 shares of MSFT stock back then for $999,844 plus a $362 commission, it would now be worth ONE MILLION DOLLARS today.

    6. Re:Ooh! Oooh! I know! by NickFitz · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nah, that's no good for Bill. Having to re-compile the kernel every time you want an email attachment to turn your machine into a zombie isn't exactly a user-friendly experience, is it? This capability should be built in.

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  2. Obligatory: A Gold Watch ... by xmas2003 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... that runs Windows ...

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    1. Re:Obligatory: A Gold Watch ... by bpfinn · · Score: 2, Informative

      So, a gold one of these?

    2. Re:Obligatory: A Gold Watch ... by XenoPhage · · Score: 5, Funny

      "... that runs Windows ..." ... ME. Enjoy your watch, Bill!

      Upgrade the pain! Make it run Vista... All the gore of WinME with the added pain of UAC!

      "You are trying to check the time, Allow or Deny?"

      Of course, you'd need to upgrade the graphics card and memory in the watch. Oh, let's not forget more storage space. And it'll probably need a faster processor. ... Maybe a sundial is easier...

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    3. Re:Obligatory: A Gold Watch ... by NickFitz · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, that's a baboon. And it's only the lowest area of the back that's blue.

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  3. A Mac by Dolohov · · Score: 5, Funny

    (I mean, judging from Microsoft's product lines for the last twenty years, it's what he really wants...)

    1. Re:A Mac by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, it's not a Mac he wants--it's Apple.

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  4. Retirement Gift by ilovegeorgebush · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Blatantly a tux toy.

    For all my *NIX & FOSS zealotry, I can't help but respect what he's brought to the world. His & MS's achievements have been broad and they've paved the way for multiple industries. Maybe I wouldn't be writing this on a Linux box if it wasn't for Windows :)

    1. Re:Retirement Gift by Saedrael · · Score: 3, Interesting

      MS products provided the competition that Linux needed to advance.

    2. Re:Retirement Gift by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well lets see... Not much technologically but...

      Managed to fool Altair to pay them for a non-existent software at that time. Managed to buy DOS and sell it to IBM, managed to get out of an anti-trust lawsuit, managed to recover from disasters such as MS Bob, ME, etc. Basically, Gates couldn't compete with code, so he competed with a business.

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    3. Re:Retirement Gift by jimicus · · Score: 4, Informative

      What has Bill Gates personally achieved? Note that personally ripping off the ideas of others is not an achievement.

      http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/05/15/could_bill_gates_write_code/

    4. Re:Retirement Gift by rishistar · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Linux also benefited greatly from the fact that MS became de facto on the cloned PC market. All the other major vendors an the time had an apple like hardware and OS that were sold together. As IBM never got an exclusivity deal on MS-DOS, clones could run it, and thanks to this 'standardisation' the price dropped on the hardware thanks to the benefits of competition on the same hardware. Without that low cost of hardware Linux would not have taken off, and its extremely unlikely that as many people would have computers, internet access and slashdot accounts with which to slag off Microsoft.

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    5. Re:Retirement Gift by Keyslapper · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yah, right.

      In the form of backlash, maybe. If you do something poorly in this industry and try to rape your customers for the privilege, there are a thousand nerds out there that will find a way to do it better for less (or free).

      The real contribution is in that constant teasing of "You can do this" (as soon as our product stops sucking ...). At least initially.

      Eventually, when there was enough of a "footprint" of computers in common culture, it was guaranteed to get out of MS control.

      The thing about Gates is he's more a business nerd than a software nerd - at least that's what he's better at. Sure, he probably got his fingers into the OS after he bought the original version of DOS, but trying to put computers on every business desk, and eventually every home rather than just focusing on the back rooms of banks and big businesses is what got everyday folks looking for the potential in these things.

      The truth of the matter is that none of us real software nerds (flattering myself again) would ever have thought of writing a program that lets you track your finances, write documents and typeset them, create elaborate presentations, etc.. Sure, we'd have come up with some neat games, but without computers in every home, there would be a lot less creative pressure on that industry, and it wouldn't be quite so big as it currently is.

      We'd probably just be breaking out of our fringe culture status, and a good number of us would have chosen far different paths for our professions.

      Or am I giving him too much credit? Probably - Gods, I sound like a Gates fanboy - (as I write this on my Mac, developing on Linux. Gah!). He was really only out to make a buck and take over the world after all.

    6. Re:Retirement Gift by clem · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And cheap commodity hardware. Ushering in the age of the desktop assured that.

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    7. Re:Retirement Gift by stretch0611 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...MS's achievements have been broad and they've paved the way for multiple industries. Maybe I wouldn't be writing this on a Linux box if it wasn't for Windows :)

      I do not agree with that assumption. First off, Unix was not created because of MS and/or Windows and Linux was created as a Unix clone, not specifically to compete with windows. If the pc hardware was not around it would have been built on different hardware.

      Next, even without MS, IBM would have still been looking for an OS for its new computing platform. Because it was IBM, which at the time was the de facto standard/monopoly, there still would have been a clone market even without MS's help. If the clone market did not provide enough cheap hardware, there would have been cheap hardware from either the computers running CP/M or even the home market (Amiga and/or older 8bits computers)

      Linux evolved from someone's desire to clone minix, not from a need to use something other than windows.

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    8. Re:Retirement Gift by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 3, Informative

      none of us real software nerds (flattering myself again) would ever have thought of writing a program that lets you track your finances, write documents and typeset them

      I think you need a couple of history lessons.

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    9. Re:Retirement Gift by snoyberg · · Score: 5, Funny

      Without that low cost of hardware Linux would not have taken off, and its extremely unlikely that as many people would have computers, internet access and slashdot accounts with which to slag off Microsoft.

      So I would have had a 4-digit UID? Damn it Bill Gates!

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    10. Re:Retirement Gift by wtfispcloadletter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Without MS DOS and later Windows, the computer world of today would look very, very different. I seriously doubt we'd have advanced anywhere close to where we are today without Microsoft. Though we might have gone even further, who knows.

      Don't get me wrong, I'm not an MS fan boy. But I have serious doubts that Linux would have ever been if Microsoft wasn't around. Would Linus have had the same exposure to computers? He might not have ever gotten that IBM PC, MINIX might have never been developed, hell the IBM PC might not have ever taken off.

      Without Microsoft we might just be seeing the start of the personal computer right now, or Apple with the MAC might have taken over. Without Microsoft, it would be a completely different landscape and nobody can know what it would have turned out like.

    11. Re:Retirement Gift by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Interesting

      One of the things that strikes me, after reading your linked article, is the fact that not only could Bill Gates write "uber" code, back in the day, but that, in one form or another, EVERYONE that denigrates him does so from computers that exist because of what he and his company (among others) did so long ago.

      Actually, at that time, many people were doing things like this. I am not sure whether writing BASIC in the first place can be considered "uber-code". How does this compare to, e.g., the work of Chuck Moore of the Forth fame? Now that is a man who would deserve some credit for pushing the state of the art. Take a look at what he did at NRAO with just one PDP-11 - I believe the DEC people themselves would not push such a system *that* far.

      Or what about microFORTH? A FORTH system written in FORTH (not in assembly language), capable of "metacompiling" itself (in the FORTH parlance) for several CPU architectures - CDP-1802, 8080, 6800, Z80 - with interactivity, multiprogramming, and you could even have a simple form of virtual memory when you felt that it was necessary. And with just a 1K basic nucleus. How exactly does that compare to a primitive dialect of BASIC?

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  5. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When can we look forward to a day without Ballmer? That would truly be a day to celebrate.

    1. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      But it's so much fun to watch him run Microsoft into the ground. Don't take that away!

    2. Re:So... by Gewalt · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Bill Gates has been bullied around by Steve Ballmer ever since Windows 1.0. The reason Gates' work is never realized is because he's never been in charge. He has done precisely what Steve has told him for years. And Steve ruined his entire image and turned Microsoft from a beloved entity into a corrupted and one of the most hated companies.

      I would LOVE to see Ballmer on the way out instead of Bill. Most of what people really dislike about Microsoft is Ballmer's doing, Gates just didn't have the spine to stand up to him and reel him in.

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    3. Re:So... by Zwicky · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I know you're joking ("funny cos it's true" humor?), but - and maybe I'm not giving Ballmer enough credit here[0] - I really can't see Ballmer keeping Microsoft afloat in the long-term. Call it a gut feeling. The man is but an ogre really.

      If anything saves Microsoft - aside from its stockpiles of cash - it will be Bill's advice imparted on his one-day-a-week-on-Microsoft-business.

      I am certainly not enamored with Gates by any means, but I do recognize that (in my view) he was the brains behind the outfit: Ballmer is Robin to Gates' Batman; Cashman and Dobbin? "Holy developers, developers, developers, Cashman!"[1]

      Personally unless Microsoft pull something exceptional out of the bag I expect to see them decline as 'market leaders'. I am interested in hearing others', perhaps more informed, thoughts.

      Anyway that's how I see it from my point of view but IANABA (business analyst).

      [0] Stop laughing, I'm trying to be impartial :)
      [1] That right there is why I don't write comic books.

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    4. Re:So... by Hojima · · Score: 4, Informative

      Bill Gates

      The WSJ has an article looking at the struggle Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer had in switching around their Junior/Senior relationship.

      Things became so bitter that, on one occasion, Gates stormed out of a meeting in a huff after a shouting match in which Mr. Ballmer jumped to the defense of several colleagues, according to an individual present at the time. After the exchange, Mr. Ballmer seemed "remorseful," the person said.

      Once Gates leaves, "I'm not going to need him for anything. That's the principle," Mr. Ballmer says. "Use him, yes, need him, no."

      Linus Torvalds

      Ballmer is also known as a vocal critic of competing companies and their products. He has referred to the free Linux software system as a "[â¦] cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches." Ballmer was trying to articulate his concern that the GNU GPL license employed by such software requires that all derivative software be made open source.

      [edit] Lucovsky/Google

      In 2005, Mark Lucovsky alleged in a sworn statement to a Washington state court that Ballmer became highly enraged upon hearing that Lucovsky was about to leave Microsoft for Google, picked up his chair and threw it across his office. Referring to Google CEO Eric Schmidt (who previously worked for competitors Sun and Novell), Ballmer allegedly said, "Fucking Eric Schmidt is a fucking pussy. I'm going to fucking bury that guy, I have done it before, and I will do it again. I'm going to fucking kill Google," then resumed trying to persuade Lucovsky to stay at Microsoft.[14][15] Ballmer has described the incident as a "gross exaggeration of what actually took place."

      Cut directly from wikipedia (probably one of the reasons Microsoft wanted to merge with yahoo)

    5. Re:So... by notaprguy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Do you know how to read an income statement? I suggest you check out http://www.microsoft.com/msft/earnings/FY08/earn_rel_q3_08.mspx#income. If by "run Microsoft into the ground" you mean grow revenue $7 billion from March 07 to March 08 and grow net income by $2.3 billion then I guess you must have very high standards. Or maybe you can't do math.

      PS. Yes, I know there is more to running a company than revenue and income but that's certainly a good start.

    6. Re:So... by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The idea of Ballmer standing on Gates' concave chest and dangle-spitting on his face until he gives in his bullying, triple-Y chromosome demands is quite amusing, but Microsoft was corrupt and hated long before Ballmer was in charge. Or does nobody remember Andrew Schulman exposing Microsoft's monopolistic abuses with "Undocumented Windows" almost 20 years ago?

      Remember "It ain't done 'til Lotus won't run"? That's not apocryphal.

      Hell, I ran into undocumented functionality with the first non-trivial Windows program I tried to write. It was a little utility to manage and assign icons in Program Manager, but I could never figure out how to extract the icon resources from executables because... it wasn't documented anywhere. At least in 1990 or so when I was doing this.

      Gates was always a total bastard of a businessman (and only marginally technical at best, just listen to anything he says, he doesn't have a clue) and I don't think you can give credit to the chair-tosser for his long reign of corporate evil.

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    7. Re:So... by Gewalt · · Score: 2, Informative

      That was all Ballmer... He joined Microsoft in 1980, that's 28 years ago. His last job before that was some type of assistant to the CEO of GE.

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    8. Re:So... by drsmithy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Remember "It ain't done 'til Lotus won't run"? That's not apocryphal.

      Indeed, it's a myth without the slightest shred of credible evidence to back it up.

      "DOS ain't done until Lotus does run" would be a more accurate reflection of reality.

      Hell, I ran into undocumented functionality with the first non-trivial Windows program I tried to write. It was a little utility to manage and assign icons in Program Manager, but I could never figure out how to extract the icon resources from executables because... it wasn't documented anywhere. At least in 1990 or so when I was doing this.

      Undocumented functionality, in and of itself, is in no way evidence of "monopolistic abuses". It is completely normal in any non-trivial piece of software.

    9. Re:So... by HappySmileMan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And how did he do that?
      Was it by making better products?
      Was it by gaining market share?
      Or was it by making Vista cost shitloads more money than XP?

    10. Re:So... by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 3, Insightful

      McDonald's actually had great food once, early on. And Microsoft wasn't always hated. Remember back when IBM was the big bad? IBM and HP, two sucky companies that wanted to rule the world. Microsoft and Apple were the underdog then.

    11. Re:So... by Gewalt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How the hell did you get modded interesting? You cite no proof. No links. No sources. Nothing. Just your own damned worthless opinion. If I had mod points, your post would burn in hell.

      Maybe because people considered my opinion interesting? You know, they didn't necessarily have to agree with it to think it was interesting.

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    12. Re:So... by Phydeaux314 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In the end, does it really matter? They're making money. As long as it's not obviously unsustainable to the shareholders, anything that brings in cash is good.

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    13. Re:So... by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Undocumented functionality, in and of itself, is in no way evidence of "monopolistic abuses"

      You're right, much of it can be attributed to Microsoft's pathetic documentation. Nevertheless, in 1990 you couldn't do many very basic things without reverse engineering. There are multiple books written on the topic that leave it beyond a doubt that only back in those days Microsoft or Microsoft's special "friends" had the information necessary to write software that could compete, performance-wise (as ironic as that is) with Office, or do debugging, or compete with Microsoft fully. they stacked the deck in their own favor from the get-go and have never let up.

      While this may no longer be true, especially because Microsoft products these days are almost never the best in their fields, and are often pathetic also-rans, the damage was done long ago. In fact, these days Microsoft has been coasting on inertia for years, all their efforts going into maintaining lock-in and stifling competition because that's all they have left.

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    14. Re:So... by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Funny

      So Bill Gates has been held hostage at chair point.

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    15. Re:So... by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Look at how many PCs sold VS how many copies of Vista,and that will tell you the true story. When my 67 year old mom who don't know squat about computers comes to me and goes "What is Vista and why does it suck?" you know you have a problem. Also look at the emerging markets of green PCs and netbooks,neither of which will EVER run Vista. And how many billions are they losing on the x360? I know Sony lost 3.3 billion on PS3 and after that recall and warranty extension I doubt they are doing better.


      Trust me,I am no Linux or Apple fanboi,having used and made money off MSFT products since the days of DOS and Win3.1. But the simple fact is even teeny boppers that don't know the difference between a PC and a VCR come with their parents to get a new PC and I mention Vista I get an EXTREMELY loud EEEEW!,like I took a crap in front of them or something. Even my local Wal Mart has been making it clear that on every sale of a laptop they'll at no extra charge put XP on it just to keep from losing sales. And after being given a copy of Vista for being a beta tester and giving up after nearly a month to get that POS to run decent on my 3GHz Celeron I gave up and gave it away,only to find out later that it keeps changing hands like a bad fruitcake. So far I've had 4 people install it just to go "Yuck" a week or two later and go back to XP and pass it off to someone else.


      The simple fact is inertia can let them go for awhile. But I've had more businesses lately start asking about "This Linux thing"(which for some reason they insist on calling Lienucks no matter how many times I correct them) than I have ever had before. If Win7 doesn't come out a lot more like XP and a lot less like Vista then I predict that those with money will be switching to Macs and those without will either pirate XP or come to someone like me to build them a PC from scratch with XP on it. I just hope that after Jan 2009 I'll still be able to find XP OEM cds or I might be buying a lot of used barebone systems just for the XP CALs. But so far my customers are willing to pay extra NOT to have the Vista "experience" on their new PC. And as always this is my 02c from out here in consumerland,YMMV

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    16. Re:So... by Jarik_Tentsu · · Score: 5, Funny

      Things became so bitter that, on one occasion, Gates stormed out of a meeting in a huff after a shouting match in which Mr. Ballmer jumped to the defense of several colleagues, according to an individual present at the time. After the exchange, Mr. Ballmer seemed "remorseful," the person said.

      Really makes you think - what happens behind the closed doors?

      Ballmer: We will create a monopoly. The next version of Windows will not run any non-Microsoft software! Muwahahaha!
      Gates: But that is wrong! That destroys the market!
      Ballmer: What did you say to me boy!?
      Gates: B-B-But that'll lower the quality of our product. W-W-We need to take care of our customers!
      Ballmer: *narrows eyes* You've been reading Slashdot, haven't you boy?
      Gates: N-No!
      Ballmer: Don't make me use the chair on you...Have you forgotten all I've taught you?
      GateS:N-No!
      Ballmer: Then tell me, what matters?!
      Gates: Developers?
      Ballmer: Indeed. Now run along now. And if I hear any of this nonsense again, I bring out the chair.

      ~Jarik

    17. Re:So... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You distilled out the one point Ballmer makes that matters, and just shuffled it into your parody without noticing.

      'Developers' is really, really important. The lack of developers is what killed BeOS. It is one of the only things saving Linux...

      Criticize Ballmer and Microsoft for many things. The 'Monkey Dance' was just a ludicrous delivery. The message was VERY valid.

    18. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know you're joking ("funny cos it's true" humor?), but - and maybe I'm not giving Ballmer enough credit here[0] - I really can't see Ballmer keeping Microsoft afloat in the long-term. Call it a gut feeling. The man is but an ogre really.

      Considering your gut probably told you this was the year of Teh Lunix on Teh Desktop every year for the past 15 years... something tells me your gut doesn't have that great of a track record.

      MS's greatest asset has been in the enemies they have selected. MS enters a market, focuses on improving their product, and just wait around for their competition to self-destruct.

      And that's bearing out right now in the search market- Yahoo is imploding, and Google is in bed with them now. So all MS has to do is wait around for Google's highly paid and under worked PHDs to drive the company under. Ballmer understands- Google is a one-trick pony. What do they make money on besides search? Then, they paid insane amounts of money for stuff which does nothing but increase the amount of money they squander every year. Like YouTube.

      One of two things is going to happen with GOOG. Either the shareholders will start wondering why so much of the company's profit is being spent on stupid shit, and begin firing all the top management and replacing them with advertising execs... or else the company will simply wither on the vine, like a Yahoo, Hotbot, Lycos, AskJeeves, etc etc etc. My bet is on the latter.

      Want to see a recent example of this in action? How about the XBox? Sony just imploded, and their PS3 failure almost destroyed the company. The only thing that saved Sony from becoming a MS acquisition was that Sony managed to pay off enough people to guarantee a Blu-Ray success. Without that... Sony was screwed. And hey, they may still be screwed. They certainly lost the lucrative console market. And all it took was MS being there and waiting for them to screw up.

      MS understands that when you pick the right enemies, your success is assured. And Ballmer understands this too, as his masterful destruction of Yahoo demonstrates.

    19. Re:So... by Jarik_Tentsu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh yeah, agreed. Developers are really really important.

      But Ballmer seems focused on forgetting about end-consumers. He seems to be more focused on how to push the OS on the consumer than making a quality product the public want to buy.

      ~Jarik

    20. Re:So... by gadget+junkie · · Score: 3, Funny

      [...]

      If anything saves Microsoft - aside from its stockpiles of cash - it will be Bill's advice imparted on his one-day-a-week-on-Microsoft-business.

      I am certainly not enamored with Gates by any means, but I do recognize that (in my view) he was the brains behind the outfit: [...]


      Yes, Gates was the brain behind the outfit. But the real Father of Microsoft will remain hidden in an obscure paper file at IBM: " Nah, Dr-dos costs too much, the guy wants 50 bucks per copy. Let's give the contract to the boy with the funny glasses."

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  6. Last day, huh? by Foddz · · Score: 5, Funny

    Please tell me they're giving him the high tech 'security walk'!

    1. Re:Last day, huh? by azuredrake · · Score: 5, Funny

      Heh, this made me laugh. Can you see Gates being escorted out slowly by the HR head, all the young employees chanting "Dead Man Walking" as he goes by? That'd be truly bizarre.

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  7. 640kb!!!! by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 5, Funny

    A 386SX with 640KB of memory.

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    1. Re:640kb!!!! by brouski · · Score: 5, Funny

      That should be all he'll ever need.

      Oh wait, You don't mind me karma-whoring off you, do you?

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    2. Re:640kb!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Too bad you don't get karma off of funny mods eh?

  8. A handshake. by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Without him, I am not sure that personal technology would have taken off, and it would only be at work that I could do things like waste time on the internet and argue with strangers.

    1. Re:A handshake. by intx13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How does this myth stay alive? There were personal computers before Bill Gates: Macs. There were personal computers during the early rise of Microsoft: Macs, OS/2, Suns. There were personal computers throughout the Bill Gates glory days: Macs, Linux, (and Suns, kinda). And there are personal computers today. And there would have been personal computers without Bill Gates.

      That's not to say his contributions are worthless, but let's not start patting him too hard on the back just because he's retiring. He used questionably ethical business practices to produce and sell products of questionable quality.

      On the plus side, he's going to spend the rest of his life giving away enormous sums of money to charity - there's not much to dislike about that!

    2. Re:A handshake. by ComputerSlicer23 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All of which were very much proprietary. The key to the low cost PC as the competition among hardware makers. Go look at Sun, Macs, and PS/2 machines (Commodore, Amiga, and Atari should probably be added to that list of yours). From that era Suns and Macs were proprietary. The moment, Macs tried to license the hardware, the company very nearly went out of business. Sun sold great, solid equipment, and could never get it even close to the price point to compete (I also am not sure they wanted to). PS/2's? That whole line died a horrible death due to the proprietary bus (Micro Channel). The PC world thrived and took when the ISA bus was king, and IBM published all of the hardware specs for 3rd party cards (and thus the hardware that specs for the bus). The PC world thrived and took off when Compaq won the landmark case allowing them to reverse engineer the IBM Bios. The PC world thrived and took off when the Microsoft negotiated the deal with IBM to sell MS-DOS that was licensed to IBM as PC-DOS. The PC world thrived and took off when Intel got competitors in Cyrix, AMD, and other hardware makers creating x86 clone chips.

      It was the fact that there was stiff competition for virtually every part in a machine. It was the nasty world evil consumer that bought, cheap crappy hardware, that got the economies of scale going. If you look at the PC world, the PC used to cost $3,000 (probably $10,000, but $3K is what I paid for my first machine in '95). The competition in an open market place (read, not Mac's, not Sun, not IBM's PS/2), are what created and won virtually all of the market place. The competition eventually drove the price of a PC to under $500, all the while getting, better and better hardware. Eventually the price got low enough, that it started to add more and more features that used to be the sole purview of high end "Workstation", or "Server" class machines. There's a reason that Sun sells what is effectively, nothing more then a jumped up version of the modern day desktop machine as their entry level server. I'm here to tell you that, Bill and Co. have a place at that table of folks who were there and part of what made it happen.

      Does that make Bill a good person? No (but just because that doesn't make him good, doesn't imply that he's bad). Does that mean, Bill intended this move to accomplish that? Probably not. I think Bill Gates figured out fairly early on that hardware was rapidly becoming a commodity market, and that software was the thing that people had a true affinity for. If they could run the same software on different hardware, what did they care? In the end, he was correct. Just ask Apple. There's a reason Apple nearly went out of business when somebody else undercut their hardware (both because the model was setup all wrong, and that people didn't really care about Mac the hardware, they cared about Mac the interface). Most folks couldn't care less about the iMac, the Mac Mini, the iPod, or the iPhone in the hardware. What most of them really care about is how useful and easy the software is for them to use. I have a Mac and I hate the interface. I find it counter-intuitive, but only because I don't think "if I want this and that to work together, I should drag one to the other".

      Windows in all its incarnations, and all of it's vile issues. It filled in the gap that allowed the PC computers to be usable by folks who couldn't have otherwise. For that alone, Bill and Co. deserve a place in history and helping to drive the PC revolution. Would something else have filled that need? Sure, but Bill was there. Would somebody else have discovered gravity? Sure, but we give Newton credit, because he was there and did what he did. If the PC market had been left to Sun, Apple, and IBM, they'd be carving huge chunks of a smaller pie, at much higher profit margins. None of them got that if they sold crappy stuff that was just above the crappy line.

      Kirby

    3. Re:A handshake. by Phroggy · · Score: 2, Interesting
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  9. The ability to seperate himself truely from.. by gQuigs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft and proprietary software. What is good for Microsoft and proprietary software conflicts with a lot of good charitable work.

    Giving any poor organization the first copy of Microsoft software for no cost isn't going to help them in the long term.

    To do this, he needs to get rid of his stake in Microsoft stock.

    1. Re:The ability to seperate himself truely from.. by Applekid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What is good for Microsoft and proprietary software conflicts with a lot of good charitable work.

      True. Although...

      When I was a kid I used to dream of being rich and famous. As I get older the famous part gets more and more obvious as being a hassle, and the rich part gets more and more "evil"... money scraped off the backs of others and hoarded for a life of excess (well, also as I get older, mostly for hookers, blackjack, and blow).

      Let's face it. There are no people who had amassed Gates' level of wealth by writing a bunch of checks and being nice people.

      He did have a vision, and did contribute to some massively impressive things in computing, and got swept up in his business. A lifetime of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. Setting in motion the wheels of a kind of proprietary software golem. Point being, maybe he saw that bit of The Simpsons:

      "How do you sleep at night?"
      "On a pile of money surrounded by beautiful women."

      Thing is, if you had that much wealth and power and you grew a conscience (or at the very least it got a hand free and escaped its bindings), how would you fix it? How would you stand to the side of your parents' graves and say, "I've made you proud, and the world is a better place for you having birthed me"?

      He can't tear down Microsoft. It's a beast onto it's own. All that's left is to try and compensate for some of that evil elsewhere. Charity is a pretty good spot to recoup karma, IMHO. Certainly better than hookers, blackjack, and coke.

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    2. Re:The ability to seperate himself truely from.. by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Charity is a pretty good spot to recoup karma, IMHO. Certainly better than hookers, blackjack, and coke.

      The "Charity" is a front. It makes for-profit investments and has pledged not to review its investments for their ethical acceptability. Everything you need to know about the Gates foundation can be summed up by their response to Dark cloud over good works of Gates Foundation, an LA Times investigative article (I know, I was as shocked as you must be) which tells the story of the Gates Foundation's investment in big oil that is killing people in the places in which they claim to try to be saving them. This is my favorite paragraph:

      The Gates Foundation has poured $218 million into polio and measles immunization and research worldwide, including in the Niger Delta. At the same time that the foundation is funding inoculations to protect health, The Times found, it has invested $423 million in Eni, Royal Dutch Shell, Exxon Mobil Corp., Chevron Corp. and Total of France â" the companies responsible for most of the flares blanketing the delta with pollution, beyond anything permitted in the United States or Europe.

      Now, keep in mind that the Gates Foundation is not restricted to making holding investments, they are allowed to make them for profit. The profit ostensibly goes right back into charity, right? But here's the issue. As of January 2007 (when the article was published) they'd spent nearly twice as much on sucking oil out of the region (killing people in the process) than on actually helping anyone! And let's not get into what percentage of that money spent is actually applied effectively...

      Bill Gates is not interested in helping anyone. Remember how the idea of a presidential bid for Gates was floated in the media? That was not a mistake. It was a test. It did not go over well; millions of the best-connected people on the planet certainly spoke their mind on the issue on every public forum they could find. Now, he is sitting on top of one of the largest fortunes on the planet, in charge of doling out money both to the greedy companies raping the land, and to help people who are being harmed by them. If you follow the money, though, you can see where priorities lie.

      Gates has placed himself in a position of power which makes his former position at the top of Microsoft look like the elementary school yard bully on top of the pitcher's mound winning a game of king of the hill, and this is not a cause for celebration. He is not there to do good deeds.

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    3. Re:The ability to seperate himself truely from.. by corbettw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bill Murray once observed, if you want to be rich and famous, try being rich first. See if that's enough.

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    4. Re:The ability to seperate himself truely from.. by spatley · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You obviously have no idea how big giving works in the world. If you don't like Bill that is fine, but the Gates Foundation is doing significant good work in many areas of poverty, disease and global development. It has never been a standard for a charity to make its investments align with its mission, its investments are to fund its mission. Even joe sixpack with an IRA has investments that do not perfectly align with his morality; and a single article from one sensationalist from the LA Times is not the bar against which to measure.

    5. Re:The ability to seperate himself truely from.. by dhavleak · · Score: 4, Informative

      Don't you think this is a little unfair?

      I mean, its obvious that most of BillG's wealth given to the foundation must have been MS stock (or some stock anyhow). Given that, the foundation will just bleed dry if they don't invest for maximum profits. And the more profitable their investments, the more impact the foundation can have.

      Now owning stock in some company that does bad/evil stuff hardly makes you the perpetrator of the crime. I mean, the company is not going to behave different with/without the investment from the foundation. It makes to difference to them who actually owns their stock (unless it's a question of controlling stakes, proxy votes etc. -- and that didn't seem to be the case in the article you linked).

      On top of that, it's really unfair when you say

      Now, he is sitting on top of one of the largest fortunes on the planet, in charge of doling out money both to the greedy companies raping the land, and to help people who are being harmed by them.

      Because again -- he did not dole out money to the company -- he has not made a loan or a gift to these companies. He's simply using the profits generated from their share price appreciation. And poetically, it goes into the people being harmed by this corporation.

      I'm not sure where you got the presidential campaign thing from. And why you're so cynical about his intentions. Have you heard his Harvard speech last year?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXCVYtYWVyU
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4Q1T70VwfM
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXKrQBxJViQ
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rh9Aj7WsKE
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnHkUDxfmXE

      And have you seen the progress being made by GAVI (Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization)? They have already prevented over 2.5 million children's deaths in the third world. The Gates Foundation was an active partner in creating and funding GAVI.

      When you listen to Gates talk about solving problems for people in the most wretched of conditions, you'll realize -- he's got a different and fresh perspective compared to people who have worked in this field before. He's got a lot to learn from them, but he brings unique skills to the table, and a unique problem-solving ability.

  10. Perfect present by electricbern · · Score: 5, Funny

    An account on Slashdot. But no trolling, please.

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    1. Re:Perfect present by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 3, Informative

      An account on Slashdot. But no trolling, please.

      It appears that he already has a few accounts here.

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    2. Re:Perfect present by urcreepyneighbor · · Score: 4, Funny

      But no trolling, please.

      What's the point if you can't troll?

      Shitcock!

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  11. I got him a charitable donation by amliebsch · · Score: 5, Funny

    A donation has been made in his name to the Human Fund.

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    1. Re:I got him a charitable donation by kiehlster · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh, even better, make a donation with the money you saved by not buying Vista.

  12. the #1 portable media player on the planet.. by justindarc · · Score: 2, Funny

    a Zune!!

    1. Re:the #1 portable media player on the planet.. by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 5, Funny

      Odd, looking at the brown Zune I could have sworn it was a number two.

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  13. Possible Retirement Gifts by Eberlin · · Score: 4, Insightful
    1. A gaming rig so he can keep pwning n00bs.
    2. an iPhone, a mac, and an iTunes account.
    3. some GOOG stock 'cause you gotta take care of that 401K SPECIALLY after retirement.
    4. A seat in the OLPC project's board of dudes that make decisions...it's only a matter of time.
    5. Ubuntu...and by that I mean "humanity to others" -- actually, a wish of good luck as he concentrates more in philantrophy. As much as I (and c'mon, I can't be alone here) enjoy Microsoft bashing, I think the Gates foundation could (continue to) actually do a lot of good.
    1. Re:Possible Retirement Gifts by Locutus · · Score: 2, Informative

      # Ubuntu...and by that I mean "humanity to others" -- actually, a wish of good luck as he concentrates more in philantrophy. As much as I (and c'mon, I can't be alone here) enjoy Microsoft bashing, I think the Gates foundation could (continue to) actually do a lot of good.

      One problem here, his foundation does not stick to healthcare issues. That's right, they spread alot of Microsoft software around and from what I've heard, you get those Microsoft software deals as long as you agree to reject open source software. So Bill is not going to be spending more time helping the world, he's just moving to spread Microsoft Windows and MS Office to more children. You know, like a crack dealer looking for future revenue except the crack dealer isn't preventing customers from getting their fix from another dealer.

      LoB

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  14. A nice book to read by kwabbles · · Score: 3, Interesting
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  15. Gift Card by PawNtheSandman · · Score: 4, Funny

    $25 gift card to Applebees.

  16. Credit where credit is due by Crane+Style · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would get him a big hug. Without Gates, my parents and grandparents wouldn't be using computers for email today. It'd be a lot harder to live across the country where the fun jobs are without that...... I guess they might be using computers, but at least now they have an OS with built in sound drivers that work ;)

  17. Re:A card by choseph · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A card begging him to not listen to advice given from people who use 'then' when they should use 'than'

  18. Re:I would get him. . . by rs79 · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Taking DOS which was bought, and advancing it to Windows and then NT "

    NT was a clean-room effort spearheaded by Dave Cutler who did Vax VMS; that's why NT sorta works.

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  19. The *real* question is... by information_retrieva · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...did security walk him to the door after his exit interview?

    1. Re:The *real* question is... by LordEd · · Score: 2, Funny

      In other news, a printer was found in an empty field. The printer was severely damaged and was broken into many small pieces. No witnesses have come forward to provide clues to the incident.

  20. Leaving party by rishistar · · Score: 2, Funny

    A Belgian anarchist style party....complete with custard pies!

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  21. Re:Nothing by larry+bagina · · Score: 2, Informative

    Steve Ballmer has been CEO since January 2000.

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  22. What I really want to know is... by wandazulu · · Score: 2

    ...who helped him carry his boxes to the car. Steve? Ray?

  23. Bill Gates last day video by Aaron+England · · Score: 4, Informative

    Obligatory video from CES 2008 for those who haven't seen it. Here's to you Big Bill. Thank you for your sense of humor and your charity. And thank you for inspiring so many including myself to pursue a career in computers and technology.

  24. Re:I would get him. . . by Foofoobar · · Score: 4, Funny

    MS has good programmers...

    ...unfortunately they don't let any of them touch the code.

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  25. Re:What a silly question by Alcoholic+Synonymous · · Score: 3, Informative

    A UNIX manual, of course!

    Microsoft already knows UNIX. They were responsible for the most widely used variant of the 80s. They sold it off to be rebranded as SCO UNIX when they shifted focus to Windows NT.

    Let me give you a bit of history:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix

  26. Re:What about... by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 4, Funny

    Better yet: a 30 foot tall armour plated robot penguin that launches high explosive packed herrings while shrieking "DON'T FEAR ME!!!!" through a 10,000 watt speaker system, programmed to seek and destroy.

    Seems fair...

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  27. Reading top comments... by mapkinase · · Score: 2, Funny

    I blatantly do not have any awe or gratitude to that person expressed in top comments.

    My work is entirely related to computers and without PC it would be more productive, because I would not spend so much time socializing, playing games, watching news, playing with novelties, feeling up needless forms and documents.

    Restriction is good, freedom is bad. At least for me.

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  28. Re:Maybe a commodore amiga by tekrat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Irving Gould is as responsible for the death of the Amiga as Bill Gates, maybe more so. As much as I adore my C=64, 128, Amiga 1000 and 2000 w/Toaster, Commodore never had the slightest clue as to how to market the Amiga.

    In 20/20 hindsight, it was the first true multimedia machine, and could playback video at decent framerates (the DCTV add-on was truely amazing for its time), however Commodore tried to market it as a business machine. As if they had a chance of competing with IBM for that marketshare.

    Only too little, too late did they make an inspired version, the CDTV (and later the CD32), which made the Amiga a component of a home entertainment system, (which only now are Microsoft and Apple trying to do), but, typical Commodore, they cheap'ed it to death, and then never threw any money at actually marketing it. As such, almost no one has ever heard of the thing.

    Newtek sold more Amigas than Commodore did, by rebranding it as a 'Video Toaster System', and many of those toasters are still in use today (although to be fair, many are also being offloaded on eBay).

    But to say that Bill Gates killed the Amiga is to distort history as badly as most people do when they think that Bill invented the computer. Or think that Windows is the only 'PC' there is.

    (God, to think that I'm actually defending Bill Gates, a person I'd like to have shot out of a canon more than any other individual in history....) Look what you've done to me, damn you!!!

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  29. Slightly off-topic but somewhat related by Zwicky · · Score: 3, Funny

    In the BBC documentary How a Geek Changed the World, did anyone see the part where Gates leaped over a chair from a standing start? That must have been a very useful skill when working alongside Ballmer!

    (I've been unable to find the clip online so I can't post a link.)

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  30. Re:Gates lovefest by T3Tech · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yay! Now M$ will go down in flames without the evil Gates behind them. bwuhahahaha!

    Or something like that. :)

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  31. Parting gift? by chaosmind · · Score: 2, Funny

    > "What would you buy him as a retirement gift?"

    That's easy: "Open Source for Dummies"

  32. Obligatory Mac reply by stewbacca · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Hear me out, because this is serious and not intended as flamebait.

    I'd get him a 20" Intel-based Apple iMac computer installed with the last version of Office (not the newest one, but one before). That way, Bill could at least see that a decent-spec'd, moderately priced yet still well-designed computer CAN actually be a pleasant experience for the overwhelming majority of normal computer users. Maybe then Bill can realize that sometimes less is more and that a long laundry list of half-assed features is no good compared to a shorter list of features that work well.

  33. A nice T-Shirt by SpicyLemon · · Score: 2, Funny

    A nice BSOD T-Shirt. Possibly even a new scanner to go with it.

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  34. Re:Maybe a commodore amiga by Sloppy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Gates didn't kill the Amiga. Commodore did.

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  35. Re:just for the record... by againjj · · Score: 3, Funny

    Bill_Gates (1523) is hated by no one

    That settles it, he isn't the real one!

  36. A welcome gift from slashdot would be... by walbourn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    retiring the stupid BillG as The Borg icon! ST:TNG has been in reruns since 1994, there isn't a Star Trek show in production, he hasn't been involved in the daily running of MSFT for years, and as of today he isn't even an employee.

    I'm not suggesting that anyone in the /. community consider updating their perceptions of the company for the last 10 years; to acknowledge that anyone who has gone to work for the company since 2000 has had any influence on the company's approach to business, markets, customers, or technology; or to suggest that the investment in software engineering practices, security tools and training, developer outreach, or a monstrous R&D spend could have any value what-so-ever to the PC industry, the software industry, or have improved any MSFT product. It does seem, however, like today would be a good day to update the thumbnail to something that at least reflects the cultural constructs of the 21st century.

  37. CBC has an article by kbahey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The CBC has an article titled Bill Gates in Canada: a checkered legacy.

    There are some choice quotes on anti-trust, Michael Cowpland (Corel founder and the WordPerfect debacle), recruiting from University of Waterloo, establishing a Richmond, B.C. campus, ...etc.

    Worth a read.

  38. Its funny how.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Its funny how gates probably devoted an entire millisecond thinking about slashdot and the fossie zealots that live here, but to any lay person, the commenters on this otherwise benign looking news aggregator seem to be excessively obsessed with gates and his little company.

    So while gates continued making shrewd business decisions and generating billions of dollars for several decades, all the people here continued to do is bitch and moan, whilst keeping up with the newest 'net memes, ofcource. I wonder if thats a sign of true helplessness or stupidity.

    I guess I'll just hang around while the charming people here mod me down. Well in a couple of years, when the last of the moderates who didn't drink the koolaid on either side of the windows/linux pissing contest, leave this place, it will truly be a joy to read.

  39. No more time share by theurge14 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think he at least deserves an unlimited login session on a PDP-10.

  40. Gates? Bullied by Ballmer? Sh-yeah, right. by jamrock · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Most of what people really dislike about Microsoft is Ballmer's doing, Gates just didn't have the spine to stand up to him and reel him in.

    Really? I've heard many anecdotes about Bill Gates, but none about him kowtowing to anyone. In the Time magazine cover story on him some years ago, his father talks about Bill, known as "Trey" in his family, butting heads with his late mother (by all accounts an extremely strong-willed woman) when he was a young teenager, and refusing to give a millimeter. There are also many anecdotes about his own pig-headedness, and numerous variations of something he usually told people with whom found himself working: "I think you'll find we'll get along better once you realize that I'm in charge", or words to that effect. He was notorious for bullying subordinates in meetings, launching long tirades at them at perceived faults, but especially if he thought that they were bullshitting him. Microsoft insiders talk about the culture of paranoia he cultivated inside the company, forcing project managers to compete for his attention in an almost Darwinian struggle, and *EVERYTHING* that Microsoft did as a company, including their most egregious anticompetitive behavior, was either his initiative, or had his explicit approval. Ballmer was only his hatchet man, the loud-mouth bully stalking the corridors, threatening at the top of his lungs to fire everyone if a project didn't ship on time.

    Gates may look like the stereotypical nerd, but his is very much a Type A personality, quite similar to Ballmer. Don't believe for a moment that Gates was some kind of dewy-eyed innocent who didn't know what was going on inside Microsoft, or that big, bad Ballmer could tell him what to do, much less bully him. From what I understand, friction between them only arose because Gates insisted on trying to dictate to Ballmer even after he was named CEO, and Ballmer naturally felt that since it was his call, he'd do things his way. Believe me, I don't think there's the person born yet who could bully him. Well, maybe Melinda, but that's the prerogative of wives everywhere.

  41. Goodbye Bill. Do good things with your money. by GuNgA-DiN · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'll admit to my share of Microsoft bashing over the years. Bill has always been a great boogey man! My hats off to Bill Gates for being the arch-nemesis master . He's kind of like the guy who played Darth Vader. You hated him but,.... you cared about his character. He was meaningful. It's going to be sad to see Bill fading away. Ballmer is kind of like a laughable sidekick. You can imagine him dancing around like monkey-boy while Bill is plotting --like Mojo Jojo-- to take over the world. I think that the "Gates of Borg" icon from Slashdot will live forever. So, goodbye Bill. Go do good things with the remaining time you have and help make the world a better place.

    We should put out an ad for a new Arch Nemesis. Who's going to be the next big, bad, evil symbol of corporate greed now that Bill is gone?

    GuNgA-DiN

  42. Broken window(s) fallacy by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Disclaimer: I'm not against MS products, I use both Windows and Linux for different purposes, and I've used enough other OSes before to not give much of a damn about any particular one. By Slashdot standards, I tend to actually count as pro-MS, mostly by virtue of where the reference point is.

    That said:

    I credit Windows for bringing the price of consumer hardware down, especially Vista. Just think, if Vista were not so HW-heavy would we have today Dual- and Quad- core processors and _Gigabytes_ of RAM for so cheap? People who use an OS that does not need all that (Ubuntu, for instance) can literally have a system that is four times as powerful as they need, for the same adjusted cost of what a regular system would have cost only three years ago.

    ... is a textbook case of the Broken Window Fallacy.

    You're saying, basically, that by making people pay for hardware and upgrades they didn't actually need, it's stimulated and created a bigger mass market for the hardware industry. That's on par with saying that if you break enough windows, the glass industry will benefit greatly, and it might even bring down the price of glass.

    What makes it a fallacy is ignoring the cost of all that, and pretending that only the good effects exist. It didn't just wave a magic wand and created money for an industry. It made a bunch of people pay for something they didn't need.

    More importantly: money which otherwise would have been used for something else. We don't know what exactly, but it wouldn't be money stuffed under the mattress. (There's a federal reserve, or similar in other countries, which sees to it that money circulates at roughly the desired speed.) Maybe they would have been used to buy something else, and stimulated another industry. Maybe they would have been put in pension funds which in turn get invested in whatever companies are growing fast, essentially giving them more money to grow.

    Broken windows or Windows don't _create_ money or markets. They just force a transfer from one to another. Every cent earned by the glaziers for repairing a broken window, isn't a cent magicked out of thin air, but a cent that someone else didn't earn as a result. Every cent earned by MS or the hardware industry because of broken Windows, is a cent some other industry won't see.

    So you can't just say that it was good for hardware prices, as if the alternative would have been nothing at all. If we didn't spend our collective money on subsidizing hardware research and bringing hardware prices down, we _would_ have something else instead. Maybe better cars, or maybe HDTV sets would have dropped in price instead, or maybe we'd just have more pizza shops. It's impossible to roll back history and peek down the other trouser leg, so we'll never know exactly what we're missing, or if it's better or worse than cheap hardware. But we would have used those money on _something_ anyway, and _some_ industries would have benefited from it instead.

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