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Seinfeld-Windows TV Ad Anything But 'Delicious'

CWmike writes "Microsoft's $300-million ad campaign for Windows starring comedian Jerry Seinfeld launched Thursday with a long TV commercial almost entirely devoid of any talk of Windows, Microsoft or anything, really. With co-star Bill Gates, the scene is set in a shopping mall. Seinfeld, who did most of the talking, helps Gates buy a pair of shoes called the Conquistador. The commercial ends with Seinfeld asking Gates if Microsoft will "come out with something that makes our computers moist and chewy like cake so we can just eat them while we're working." Gates wiggles his rear to answer in the affirmative. The commercial ends (see video inside the story) with the Windows logo and the phrase 'Delicious.' Preston Gralla writes, 'I just saw Microsoft's much ballyhooed Jerry Seinfeld ad, and can say without equivocation it's one of the worst, most pointless ads in history. If this is Microsoft's response to the 'I'm a Mac' ads, it should fold up its tent and tell the world to switch to Apple."

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  1. What Are You Talking About? by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Funny

    Seinfeld-Windows TV Ad Anything But 'Delicious'

    Are you crazy? I found that ad effective & informative.

    I can't wait to get down to my local shoe store to try out a pair of "The Conquistador" although everyone knows they 'run tight.' I can't wait to finally have shoes I can wear in my shower!

    Well, there goes my ability to watch any reruns of Seinfeld ... starring a Microsoft shill & a racist.

    I caught this ad on TV with my non-technical retail employed roommate. And, acknowledging my predisposition to the big evil, I turned and atonally inquired what he thought of the commercial. "What?" he replied, "I don't think when I watch commercials, I just watch them." My god, it's worse than I thought, normal people just might digest this!

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    1. Re:What Are You Talking About? by djdavetrouble · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think it is actually an ad for churros. I anticipate huge churro sales spike following this campaign.

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    2. Re:What Are You Talking About? by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's far worse than you think, or fear even.

      'normal' people (are there really such creatures?) will see that it is from MICROSOFT, and think "it must be good, all their stuff is really technical, and they know what they are doing ... if it wasn't for Microsoft, we'd not have any computers or Intarwebtubes or anything"
      http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12558-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=44459&messageID=820843&start=0

      You only need look as far as what passes for entertainment on television in the USA to figure out that you should be considered special if you have an 8th grade education! http://www.snopes.com/language/document/1895exam.asp

      Disclaimer: I have yet to watch any episode of Seinfeld. I wasn't impressed with him before Gates conned him into this.

    3. Re:What Are You Talking About? by maniac/dev/null · · Score: 5, Funny

      dammit now im hungry. thanks ass.

    4. Re:What Are You Talking About? by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You only need look as far as what passes for entertainment on television in the USA to figure out that you should be considered special if you have an 8th grade education!

      Have you ever watched TV in other countries? If it's not reruns of old stuff from the US, It's knock-offs like [insert country here] Idol. Entertainment is bad on a global scale.

      The bulk of stuff you will find in basic programming is going to suck everywhere for a long time to come, because, well, it has to cater to the 50% of us who are under average.

    5. Re:What Are You Talking About? by Khisanth+Magus · · Score: 5, Funny

      I will have you know that TV programming in Japan is quite different than anything you will find in the US, since I think that they give all the people who come up with the shows drugs for inspiration.

    6. Re:What Are You Talking About? by WPIDalamar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wasn't American Idol a knockoff of a British show?

    7. Re:What Are You Talking About? by BobMcD · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The bulk of stuff you will find in basic programming is going to suck everywhere for a long time to come, because, well, it has to cater to the 50% of us who are under average.

      Um, no. This is just basic economics, really. Why put forth any more than a minimum level of effort when you have plenty of demand for your most craptastic halfassery?

      Intellect not-withstanding, so long as it sells ads, TV isn't going to be getting any better any time soon.

    8. Re:What Are You Talking About? by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Informative

      They copy back and forth, each worse than the last. But it doesn't matter, because the "original" TV shows were knock-offs of radio shows which were knock-offs of vaudeville acts.

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    9. Re:What Are You Talking About? by Aranykai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I just saw it for myself today. I was convinced it was an add for the shoe store until the very end when the windows logo flashed...

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    10. Re:What Are You Talking About? by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That may be one of the oddest and most horrifying things I've ever seen. Gates shaking his ass.

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    11. Re:What Are You Talking About? by Col.+Klink+(retired) · · Score: 5, Funny

      > If it's not reruns of old stuff from the US, It's knock-offs...

      I know, it's unbelievable how many American shows were stolen by the Brits! The Office, Coupling, The Weakest Link (they even stole the host), Whose Line is it Anyway?, and on and on.

      Like you mentioned, they even stole American Idol and called it Pop Idol! In fact, they took a bunch of American shows and just changed the names so we wouldn't know. Instead of Three's Company, they called it Man About the House. And when they made a spin-off of Three's Company (Three's a Crowd), they copied that too (Robin's Nest).

      Is nothing they do original?

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    12. Re:What Are You Talking About? by mabhatter654 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      so are shoes analogy to Windows... it doesn't quite fit but if you bend it up long enough you can squeeze your feet into it?

    13. Re:What Are You Talking About? by dotancohen · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think it is actually an ad for churros. I anticipate huge churro sales spike following this campaign.

      Actually, I think it's an ad for ads.

      The ESB and T3 ended exactly as this commercial ended: a set up for the next one. This is going to be a chain of commercials and obviously the first one is out of context and sucks.

      Just wait for commercial 3.11^w 95^w 98^w 2000^w xp^w vista^w 7: it won't suck. It will be delicious.

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    14. Re:What Are You Talking About? by QuantumHobbit · · Score: 5, Funny

      Microsoft will make churros?
      Clippy: "It looks like you are about to eat a churro. Can I help you with that?"

    15. Re:What Are You Talking About? by goodmanj · · Score: 5, Funny

      At the moment, parent is modded +1, Informative.

      I'm hereby modding the moderator -1, Moron, and -2, No Detectable Sense of Humor.

    16. Re:What Are You Talking About? by jhfry · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, there goes my ability to watch any reruns of Seinfeld ... starring a Microsoft shill & a racist

      Actually, if I could be paid to create a pointless and counter productive ad for MS I would do it to... and I hate MS. Perhaps Jerry actually hates MS too and he intentionally accepted Millions and intentionally created a bad ad.

      Maybe Jerry is like Oskar Schindler, profiting off the enemy while doing nothing to further their cause.

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    17. Re:What Are You Talking About? by bluephone · · Score: 5, Insightful

      starring a Microsoft shill & a racist.

      First, he wasn't an MS schill back then, in the later years he was an American Express schill. Second, so he's doing pitches for MS, so what? It's not like he's getting up there staring into the camera and saying, "Windows Vista is the greatest thing since penicillin." He's a comedian and he's being paid to do some ads. He's not a business ethicist or technologist, he probably knows as much on MS's business practices or technical stances as your average person, which is next to none.

      Third, RACIST? What the hell? Can you PLEASE explain that, because I REALLY don't get that one. Honestly, I haven't a clue where you got that and really want to know.

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    18. Re:What Are You Talking About? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      shaking? Nay. That was a taunt. "Y'all can kiss my 49 billion dollar ass. Now. Where was I, ah yes, going back to doing whateverthehell I want to until I die."

    19. Re:What Are You Talking About? by waffledoodle · · Score: 5, Informative

      Parent is referring to Michael Richards' embarrassing tirade from awhile back. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15816126/

    20. Re:What Are You Talking About? by aetherworld · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you have to explain your ad to the world you should know you have done something seriously wrong.

      It's funny that a lot of advertising agencies believe that they can actually duplicate the hype that has started around several services or products. And Microsofts advertising company just joined the club!

    21. Re:What Are You Talking About? by llamafirst · · Score: 3, Funny

      so are shoes analogy to Windows... it doesn't quite fit but if you bend it up long enough you can squeeze your feet into it?

      Their next Windows campaign: The Procrustean Bed of Operating Systems

      "he had an iron bed into which he invited every passerby to lie down. If the guest proved too tall, he would amputate the excess length; victims who were too short were stretched on the rack until they were long enough."

      and the kicker? .... "Nobody ever fit in the bed because it was secretly adjustable: Procrustes would stretch or shrink it upon sizing his victims from afar."

    22. Re:What Are You Talking About? by fgelias · · Score: 5, Informative

      it has to cater to the 50% of us who are under average.

      technically 50% are below the median. if the distribution is skewed, then it is not clear what fraction would be below average.

    23. Re:What Are You Talking About? by wellingj · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Irony can be informative if you recognize that it is irony...

    24. Re:What Are You Talking About? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You should be right, this is only a teaser.

      And IT'S WORKING, since everybody is talking about it.

      Open your eyes people !

    25. Re:What Are You Talking About? by pcgabe · · Score: 5, Funny

      You have been modded +5 by people who have never lived in Japan and think you are joking.

      I don't know whether to pity them for never witnessing the wonder that is Japanese television, or envy them for never witnessing the horror that is Japanese television...

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    26. Re:What Are You Talking About? by wildstoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Close. Simon Fuller created Pop Idol. Simon Cowell was a judge on Pop Idol. Simon Cowell now produces and hosts The X Factor, which is indeed a knockoff of Pop Idol.

      ...and I just realised I'm correcting someone on Slashdot in an offtopic thread about a show that I hate. Self-loathing has now taken over and I'm off to scrub myself with steel wool and some powerful bleach.

    27. Re:What Are You Talking About? by el+cisne · · Score: 5, Funny

      Speaking of ass...

      The sight of Gates wiggling his butt followed by the tagline "Delicious" is...well,... I want to gouge my eyes out, scrape my brain out with a spork, pray for self spontaneous combustion.

      Those words and images should never be even on the same page much less in such conjunction.

    28. Re:What Are You Talking About? by couchslug · · Score: 5, Funny

      "YOU ARE NOT BEYONCE!"

      Well, maybe after a few beers.

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    29. Re:What Are You Talking About? by stewbacca · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Uhhh, I really can't describe "tooth-talker" to Americans, because we don't have them, but when I lived in the UK, my wife and I noticed an odd speech impediment that many Brits have. We call it tooth-talking, for lack of a better term...it's where you can see them curling their tongue and really sticking it way out over their front teeth, causing them to lisp. Will Young, the pop star who won season one of Pop Idol, does it really bad. Jamie Oliver is the first person we noticed that does it. I don't mean to sound mean, but an American school-aged speech therapist told me there is no emphasis in the UK to fix the impediment in children (around the age of 4 or 5) like we do in the States. Not saying we are better or anything, just that we don't have it here, and a lot of people will have no idea what I mean when I say tooth-talker.

    30. Re:What Are You Talking About? by blamanj · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually I thought the whole thing was about stroking Gates and sucking up to him.

      "You're a 10, Bill"

      "The Conquistador."

      "Let me get down on my knees and serve you, Bill."

    31. Re:What Are You Talking About? by billcopc · · Score: 4, Funny

      Tooth-talker: A TV-magic-queer with a lisp so fake even gay people want to choke him.

      It's like a human version of Sylvester the cat, only gay and pretentious.

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    32. Re:What Are You Talking About? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 5, Funny

      I remember when Top Gear was a vaudeville act. That James May can sure dance.

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    33. Re:What Are You Talking About? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's the goatse for the new generation. That's what this ad is about.

    34. Re:What Are You Talking About? by corychristison · · Score: 2, Funny

      In the words of Cartman:
      "No Clippy it's my chicken pot pie!! ^W^W^W churro!"

    35. Re:What Are You Talking About? by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Funny

      Inthhenthhive clod!

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    36. Re:What Are You Talking About? by archkittens · · Score: 2, Funny

      i guess that means that windows RG was actually just a preview of Windows 7.

      i cant wait to get the error message: "Windows 7 has performed an illegal operation: murdered a churro vending paperclip, and will now be arrested"

    37. Re:What Are You Talking About? by Draek · · Score: 4, Funny

      *shudders* stupid sexy Gates!

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    38. Re:What Are You Talking About? by lewko · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm sure "America's Next Top Model" was a hit on radio... I can see why they knocked it off for television.

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    39. Re:What Are You Talking About? by one_red_eye · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe after a few HUNDRED beers.

    40. Re:What Are You Talking About? by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think that's a pre-requisite to learning this language. I think I remember checking a box regarding that in the TOS.

    41. Re:What Are You Talking About? by Elad+Alon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You got me thinking - would a speech therapist be able to help an adult get rid of a foreign accent? What about a child?

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    42. Re:What Are You Talking About? by LearnToSpell · · Score: 4, Funny

      640 should be enough for anybody.

  2. I thought... by KeatonMill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... that it was kind of hilarious in a post-modern "we're Microsoft, what the fuck are we gonna do?" sort of way.

    1. Re:I thought... by cp.tar · · Score: 4, Funny

      ... that it was kind of hilarious in a post-modern "we're Microsoft, what the fuck are we gonna do?" sort of way.

      You mean, "Where do we want to go today?" sort of way?

      Sounds like Microsoft with Alzheimer's.

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    2. Re:I thought... by MMC+Monster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The add made little sense. It didn't mention computers at all until the last 10 seconds.

      It was kinda funny, but not even typical Seinfeld humor.

      I think Microsoft should get a refund from the ad agency.

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    3. Re:I thought... by KeatonMill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I should specify that I was watching it with some buddies of mine and had (up until this point) been quite raucous throughout the football game. But this commercial confused the hell out of us.

      "Is it for charity?"

      "Is it for shoes?"

      "Is it for some sort of policy initiative?"

      Nope. Windows. ...delicious.

    4. Re:I thought... by azav · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But the end... the end... that setup, the punch line/butt wiggle and Jerry's response? Uhhh, just non funny, dumb and baffling. There are many things about Bill Gates that are not funny. The body he inhabits and all parts contained within qualify under that designation.
       
      Just. Bad.

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    5. Re:I thought... by OldManAndTheC++ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I saw it as, "We took the money we got from every computer you ever bought, and used it to make this crappy commercial!"

      Bill Gates can wiggle his flabby ass all he wants -- I will never forgive them for Internet Explorer.

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    6. Re:I thought... by zullnero · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh, I can think of something worse. They could have had Ballmer shaking his ass. That would have made me and anyone else subjected to that commercial wretch, and I would feel nauseous whenever I see a churro from there on out.

      I saw an ad recently with Ballmer's face, and it scared the hell out of me. I realized that Microsoft gained its fame because Bill Gates looks to average people as a trustworthy geek who might help them with their modem or spreadsheets. Ballmer, however, looks like someone who might scream at you for making his coffee wrong or not doing your spreadsheets correctly.

    7. Re:I thought... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I thought it was quite clever actually.

      You have to understand what they're going for...When was the last time you saw a Mac commercial that was really about something technical? They just don't do that, they sell this fun "image", this personified "I'm your buddy" thing which has little or nothing to do with your computer.

      That's what MS is trying to counter. They're trying to humanize their image, build up some emotional investment in their brand.

      I saw it cold actually, on TV, but I'd heard about it and I was geared up to scream "BULLSHIT!!!!" when the stupid claims started, which kinda threw me when they never did, I must admit.

      Despite that knee jerk, and despite all my MS related baggage, I was semi-amused at various points. It was clever. Surreal, yes, but amusing.

      And they're getting mad play, jesus, everyone looking at the ad online. I think it may play somewhat for them in the long run, but it's too early to tell.

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    8. Re:I thought... by uniquename72 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wish I had mod points today.

      While this ad didn't make me want to go out and buy a Windows computer, neither did it make me actively want to avoid having anything to do with the company responsible for it, as the "I'm a Mac" ads did. From that point of view, I'd call this a success.

    9. Re:I thought... by Otto · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I first saw it in a bar, last night, during a football game. The entire bar went quiet to watch it, laughed at the right spots, everyone laughed out loud at the end, and some applauded.

      Sorry, but you're simply wrong, as is the original article. That ad was absolutely effective. It worked on every level.

      Cope.

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    10. Re:I thought... by kestasjk · · Score: 2, Funny
      As bad as personifying your product as a cool, trendy person and the competitor's product as a nerdy, socially awkward person?

      T- Hello, I'm a Toyota. [Looks cool]
      H- And I'm a Honda. [Doesn't]
      T- Boy, you sure do suck Honda.
      H- Yep, I sure do!
      [Toyota logo appears]

      Computer/software TV ads always suck. Especially the dumbed-down ones. Remember the "rebate" ad starring Bill Cosby?

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    11. Re:I thought... by jgarra23 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While this ad didn't make me want to go out and buy a Windows computer, neither did it make me actively want to avoid having anything to do with the company responsible for it, as the "I'm a Mac" ads did. From that point of view, I'd call this a success.

      I gotta agree. THe skinny "hip" kid actor in the mac commercials is about as faux-cool as you can get and still manage to look like you're trying way too hard + john hodgeman, well what has he done than write a strange book? Mr. Hodgeman is still much cooler than that kid, any day of the week- at least he's on the daily show from time to time.

    12. Re:I thought... by Lothsahn · · Score: 4, Funny

      So you mean, "Where the hell am I?" and "How the hell did I get here?"

      Actually, quite fitting for Vista...

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    13. Re:I thought... by FredFredrickson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What the hell kind of bar does that? If it's not football, nobody's watching. But applauding, in a bar, at something that's not a touchdown? That would get you some wierd looks at bars around here...

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    14. Re:I thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Waa waa. You guys would criticize their ad no matter how they did it. Slashdotters are so predictable you guys bore me to death. Every day it's the same old tired thing, over and over and over. I used to be able to read through all the comments here under a given topic, but nowadays I find myself bailing after the first dozen or so. What's left of the general community here is that dull and uninteresting. Forget the CAPTCHA's before posting, implement questions from IQ tests, and timed, to filter out the dullard majority here and the uselessly repetitive. Then maybe the intelligent would return and the dot would go back to being a worthwhile read (instead of just a page view numbers whore).

    15. Re:I thought... by superdave80 · · Score: 4, Funny

      People... at a bar... watching a football game... applauded a commercial? About software?

      So, what part of the Microsoft campus is this bar located at?

    16. Re:I thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The add made little sense.

      Agreed. I think it will divide the audience at best, and in the worst case will subtract from the value of their product.

    17. Re:I thought... by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2, Informative

      When was the last time you saw a Mac commercial that was really about something technical?

      The current Mac campaign advertises both software and service:
      - it is asserted that OS X is a better operating system than Vista
      - information is provided on a file migration service offered at Apple Stores

    18. Re:I thought... by Vohar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm glad someone else made the point about Mac commercials. I remember one several years ago that just featured a blonde girl saying something along the lines of, "Yeah with Windows it was all...bleh. But then I got a Mac and it was sooo much better!" I was actually insulted by that one. Was -that- supposed to sway me?

    19. Re:I thought... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Come on, that's a long way to go to bash Apple. Every ad mentions some feature and compares it between the two platforms. You might disagree with the features they choose, or the accuracy of their assessment of them, but every commercial talks about the product, very directly.

      The old dancing silhouette commercials for iPods were a little less specific, but they were still showing the product, and showing people having fun with it.

      This commercial doesn't talk about or show any Microsoft product at all, except a vague mention at the very end vaguely comparing a computer (MS doesn't make computers) to cake.

    20. Re:I thought... by Ralish · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you are both misunderstanding the content of the ad and what it aims to achieve.

      The fact that it barely mentions Microsoft or Windows directly at all, save for a very brief logo at the end, is definitely not unintentional. It's plainly obvious that the ad in no way is aiming to make you buy Vista by virtue of technical persuasion, nor does it bash Apple directly. I think the aim of the ad is primarily to create an association: Jerry Seinfeld and Bill Gates. It's aiming to make you put them together mentally and recognise them as somewhat related. Really, that's what the ad is ultimately doing, creating a friendship between them. Jerry meets Bill, helps him buy shoes, they walk away eating, ad ends.

      That being said, there are some subtle references I think to both Apple and Windows in the ad, but they will likely only be picked up by geeks. Once again, intentional. There's no way that your average non-techy is going to analyze this ad to the extent required to really pick up on these. Some examples:
      "Quality shoes at discount prices, why pay more?" --- Stab at Apple's expensive hardware/software costs?
      The Shoe Circus card with Bill Gates mugshot --- Definitely aimed at geeks, probably an intentional nod to them, I loved it personally.

      But saying Microsoft should get a refund is just jumping the gun in a huge way. This isn't an isolated ad, it's part of a whole advertising campaign. This is Part 1 of god knows how many ads. I doubt they all follow in this surreal sort of vein, and become far more direct. But more so, as many posters have noted, everyone is talking about it. It's practically going viral. That's every ad agency's dream. And even if the response from many/most/all is "WTF???" right now, they're baited for the next advertisement. Once again, much like a viral campaign. I really think Microsoft and its agency has achieved what they are aiming for in this first segment, and maybe even exceeded them. I'm definitely reserving judgement until more ads are out and I can better guage the direction they are taking, and the response.

    21. Re:I thought... by Wo1ke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It says things, yes, but when was the last time you saw a truly honest statement in a mac advert?
      Maybe before Jobs moved in again? The 'tech' facts that they brag about are debetable, to say the least. The whole point of the mac ads is that they aren't the geeky programmer dudes, but rather the 'cool' programmers who are amazing at everything.
      This ad is awesome as a response, as, in contrast to Mac's superficial "we're better than you" image, it gives a "we're just like you" image. Plus, it's entertaining in a wtf kind of way.
      Anyways, this is probably the set-up commercial for a series; an introduction to the cast and theme.

  3. Its Marketing ... no information required by Merlin42 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Clearly the OP does not really understand what advertising is usually about. Most mass market advertising does not try to provide information, it is providing associations. It presents something enjoyable (here it is assumed that Seinfeld+Gates==Enjoyable) and then presents the branding that they want to be associated with that enjoyable feeling. The crazy part is that this works, and in a weird way can be suggested as actually improving the product. Since the next time the subject of the advertising uses/sees the product, they will subconsiously access that association with enjoyment ... therefore the product is more enjoyable as a result of the advertising.

    I am not saying that this is a good thing, but it is how things work in the real world.

    Now you can argue either way as to whether Seinfeld+Gates=Delicious ... I didn't actually watch the comercial myself ... but they might be reaching as far a transitive association all the way back to the Seinfeld show, which almost everyone agrees was enjoyable. In any case I don't think there was ever any intent to have actual informative content in the comercial ... they are just "building the brand".

    See Seth Godin's book "All Marketers Are Liars"
    http://sethgodin.typepad.com/all_marketers_are_liars/

    or a quick review of it here:
    http://www.businesspundit.com/lying-marketing-and-perception/

    1. Re:Its Marketing ... no information required by jmpeax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seinfeld was a HORRIBLE show!

      Sorry but I have to disagree. Seinfeld was brilliant: it was like a modern theatre of the absurd. It didn't play to people's desire for a warm fuzzy feeling, it acted on the cold reality of what its creators portray as futile, cyclical, absurd modern life. And it does it in a way that makes people laugh.

      Its comedy is so incredibly clever. I still find it hard to not have my mind blown when I watch it.

    2. Re:Its Marketing ... no information required by kat_skan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Clearly the OP does not really understand what advertising is usually about. Most mass market advertising does not try to provide information, it is providing associations. It presents something enjoyable (here it is assumed that Seinfeld+Gates==Enjoyable) and then presents the branding that they want to be associated with that enjoyable feeling. The crazy part is that this works, and in a weird way can be suggested as actually improving the product. Since the next time the subject of the advertising uses/sees the product, they will subconsiously access that association with enjoyment ... therefore the product is more enjoyable as a result of the advertising.

      I am not saying that this is a good thing, but it is how things work in the real world.

      Having seen the ad, and thinking of others that have been defended in this way, I've come to suspect that this in fact doesn't work at all, and that what you're repeating actually originated as marketing for marketing. "Don't worry. It's supposed to be horrible!"

      I mean, it ended with Bill Gates coyly wiggling his ass for chrissake!

    3. Re:Its Marketing ... no information required by cp.tar · · Score: 2, Funny

      I am so much stupider thanks to that ad, maybe that is the secret purpose.

      Of course that is the ad's secret purpose. Would anyone in their right mind purchase anything from Microsoft?

      I just have to figure out how Vista can be associated with the word "delicious". A delicious view? Doesn't compute.

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    4. Re:Its Marketing ... no information required by David+Gerard · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This ad appears to be about winning industry awards rather than selling something. British ad agencies are particularly susceptible to this, but US ones are far from immune.

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    5. Re:Its Marketing ... no information required by russotto · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I just have to figure out how Vista can be associated with the word "delicious". A delicious view? Doesn't compute.

      "Delicious" is a variety of apple. So Gates is trying to say that Vista is pretty much the same as Apple :-)

    6. Re:Its Marketing ... no information required by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Informative

      You figured out that it was a Microsoft ad, didn't you? Since this is Slashdot I will spell it out. They are not selling a specific product. They are attempting to create positive feelings about Microsoft in general. They are also trying to get people to discuss the ad. In that they clearly succeeded.

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    7. Re:Its Marketing ... no information required by spun · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, advertising is NOT like your company buying you lunch every Friday. This is like your company showing you a picture of a nice lunch every Friday, then showing you a picture of their logo, and expecting that, since you like lunch, you will associate the positive feelings you get from seeing a picture of lunch with positive feelings towards your employer.

      If, instead of using money for marketing, companies actually bought you stuff, or lowered the price of the product, THAT would be similar to your analogy.

      A better analogy for marketing would be, every Friday your boss comes into your office, hits you over the head with a frying pan, jerks off into your eyes, and steals your wallet.

      P.S. If you are in marketing or advertising, I'm sorry. Sorry you chose the most useless, dishonest career legally available. Take Bill Hicks advice and kill yourself. You'd be doing the whole world a favor.

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    8. Re:Its Marketing ... no information required by archen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      it is providing associations. It presents something enjoyable (here it is assumed that Seinfeld+Gates==Enjoyable

      I suppose that's one take on it. But this got me thinking about how Microsoft is really trying to ride the coattails of something else. Microsoft, the company that makes billions of dollars cannot come up with their own defining sense of brand? I suppose maybe it's always been like that. The Madonna XP campaign, and everyone remembers Start Me Up.

      It's just interesting how Apple makes ads which are themselves considered to be innovative which works well with the products they are tying market, while Microsoft rides on Seinfeld in a directionless add that isn't really about anything. Once again MS is out of touch and lacks focus.

    9. Re:Its Marketing ... no information required by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is not in Microsoft's interest to inform users.

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    10. Re:Its Marketing ... no information required by tknd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've come to suspect that this in fact doesn't work at all

      It may not work for you, but step back for a second and consider your background. You're knowledgeable about computers, probably a geek of some sort, and tend to be subjective of anything. Given that, this ad may not have targeted you at all. Instead, depending on the show, time, location, and where the commercial aired, will give you hint as to who they are targeting. If it was during a mid-day soap opera then they are probably targeting stay-home wives. If it was during an American football game on ESPN then they're probably targeting low to mid income men. My guess (I can't watch the commercial right now) is they are targeting the average Joe who gets his computer from Best Buy. If that's the case, this may already be a success. We'll have to see how sales of computer manufacturers like Apple, HP, Dell, etc fair after this ad campaign to see how effective it really was.

    11. Re:Its Marketing ... no information required by moderatorrater · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is like your company showing you a picture of a nice lunch every Friday, then showing you a picture of their logo, and expecting that, since you like lunch, you will associate the positive feelings you get from seeing a picture of lunch with positive feelings towards your employer

      Not quite, since they're genuinely trying to entertain you. If they failed, then they also failed to create the association.

      A better analogy for marketing would be, every Friday your boss comes into your office, hits you over the head with a frying pan, jerks off into your eyes, and steals your wallet.

      Not quite, because I have what scienticians call a "brain", and I use this to make my own decisions about what products to buy. If marketing is so effective against people that it's equivalent to stealing their wallet, whose fault is that?

    12. Re:Its Marketing ... no information required by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Back in the last century some ad people at a business school did an experiment that indicated that thirty seconds of the name of the product being repeated in a loud, obnoxious voice was just as effective as an entertaining ad.

      I've got something to apply directly to your forehead for bringing back that memory.

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    13. Re:Its Marketing ... no information required by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Clearly the OP does not really understand what advertising is usually about. Most mass market advertising does not try to provide information, it is providing associations. It presents something enjoyable (here it is assumed that Seinfeld+Gates==Enjoyable) and then presents the branding that they want to be associated with that enjoyable feeling.

      And that goes a long way to explain the commercial. Jerry Seinfeld for a bit of comedic glue to set the absurd scene. Shoe shopping. Churros. And a promise to offer computing so enjoyable that its like eating moist cake as you work. Which ties in to the churros and also sets itself up to be compared to someone else's "lickable" interface.

    14. Re:Its Marketing ... no information required by LandDolphin · · Score: 5, Funny

      I prefer a career over a job

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    15. Re:Its Marketing ... no information required by myowntrueself · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A long time ago I participated in a number of experiments involving hypnosis.

      Among those experiments was one involving using hypnosis to make someone resistant to hypnosis, so that without a code word further hypnosis would be impossible. This wasn't a government project or anything spooky. Honest.

      We had some success with this however there was a side effect.

      The subjects became unable to bear watching advertising on television. It set off the hypnosis resistant defences. Other forms of advertising such as bill boards, newspaper or web banner ads didn't set this off.

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    16. Re:Its Marketing ... no information required by timster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just a question -- do you seriously think that marketing is not effective against you? If so, that's sort of like trying to block a punch by refusing to believe in it.

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  4. Mug shot by UnixRawks · · Score: 5, Funny

    I did find it humorous that they used his mug shot for his photo on his membership(?) card for the shoe store.

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  5. Totally Agree, Practially Worthless Ad by BigAssRat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If I didn't know that it was Bill gates I would have had just about no idea what that commercial was about. It was pretty stupid and pointless in my opinion.

  6. "Gates wiggles his rear." by Izabael_DaJinn · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thank god I can finally scratch that off my list of things to see before I die.

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    1. Re:"Gates wiggles his rear." by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 2, Funny

      i don't think that was a wiggle. in fact at his age I doubt there's much of anything to wiggle back there.

    2. Re:"Gates wiggles his rear." by pilgrim23 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Did anyone notice: the photo on his club discount shoe card or whatever...is his mug shot from when he was arrested in Albuqurque?

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  7. Congratulations by garett_spencley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Slashdot ... you win first prize. You just fell for, and greatly aided, Microsoft's viral marketing campaign.

    1. Re:Congratulations by jaymz666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly! Everybody is talking about it! Even non-techies.

  8. WHAT THE FUCK? by nog_lorp · · Score: 2, Funny

    http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=seinfeld%20windows&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv#

    I'm... I don't know... um... WHAT THE FUCK? Intelligent response in maybe 15 minutes when I've recovered.

    1. Re:WHAT THE FUCK? by nog_lorp · · Score: 2, Funny

      It is taking longer than I estimated. Check back tomorrow.

  9. It did exactly what it was supposed to do. by oddman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's got everyone even remotely connected to technology talking about Microsoft.

    1. Re:It did exactly what it was supposed to do. by rk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unfortunately, it has just about everyone connected to technology talking about Microsoft in close proximity to the letters "WTF".

    2. Re:It did exactly what it was supposed to do. by edalytical · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's the only thing I could think the whole time. It's the only response I could possibly give. The only comment I can make. WTF There are no other words. This is it, there is nothing left. Article summary: WTF. Sum of all comments: WTF. The only thought that can take place when viewing: WTF.

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    3. Re:It did exactly what it was supposed to do. by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ahhh. Viral advertising, yes? That makes sense. I'm definitely feeling nauseous and disoriented after having watched the ad.

  10. Worked for me! by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I now want a delicious churro. Clearly they're coming out with Microsoft Churros. It's a logical step up from the X-Box... who doesn't snack while they play?

    What? That wasn't the point of the ad? I can't imagine what else it would be.

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  11. Shamelessly crossposed from my journal by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Funny

    A large table dominates the room. Sleek metal chairs are located around the table, all of which sits on a raised platform above a large pool full of sharks. Various nervous looking henchmen sit in the chairs, watching their beloved leader. A squeaking whiny voice speaks:

    Bill Gates (for it is he): Now, I've been thinking about our advertising, how we get the message out that Vista is the best operating system ever written, and I was watching TV last night.

    Steve Ballmer: Oh, excellent my master! Excellent!

    Steve chortles uncontrollably

    Bill Gates: Shut up number 2. Now, I noticed two things. First of all, there is a hilarious comedian on the television called Jerry Seinfeld.

    Various flunkies nod.

    Number 8: Oh yes, he's very funny

    Number 9: I agree my master. We were all talking about his hilarious show around our water cooler earlier today.

    Number 5: Indeed. In my department, I couldn't get to the water cooler because of the number of people talking about his show. It is the funniest show on television. You are so right number one, you are...

    Bill Gates sighs

    Gates: Silence! Now, the other thing I noticed was a theme to many of the advertisements. Let me show you.

    The table turns around, with the chairs parting to form a straight line parallel to and facing a giant unfolding screen. The lights dim, and an image appears on screen.

    McCain: I'm John McCain, and I approve this message. Barack Obama says he's for the common man. But he's actually just a typical liberal elitist.

    Obama: Poor people suck. I'm a big dofus. Look at me with my big car and fancy house.

    McCain: Do you really want this person becoming President, or would you rather that a real American be in the White House?

    The screen changes to show a new ad. This time the word "Hope" appears in big letters on the screen.

    Obama: I know what it's like to be at the bottom. I grew up in a family so poor we used to have to live in a paper bag. Every morning, we used to have to get up before we went to bed, lick road clean, and every night our parents would beat us, bury us, and dance on our graves. But my opponent John McCain was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, listen to his real world experience:

    McCain: Look at me, I'm an old person who doesn't even know how to use an Interweb. I have sixteen houses because I keep forgetting where they all are and so have to keep buying new ones to live in.

    Obama: Do you really think that guy can relate to us? Do you really want him to become President? Vote for me, change you can believe in. I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message.

    The lights come back on and the table and chairs go back into position.

    Gates: You see, I'm noticing a common theme. What the common people want is to know their leaders aren't elitist, whatever that means.

    Number 17: Er, Mr Gates. I don't want to talk out of turn, but those are election ads, they're not trying to sell computer operating systems.

    There is a deathly hush. Gates motions to Balmer:

    Gates: Number 2...

    Balmer picks up a chair. Number 17 gets up and starts to back away.

    Number 17: Please! I meant no disrespect! I was just trying to help! No! Please!

    Balmer coldly follows 17 and carefully aims the chair. Finally, with a single thrust of the arms, the chair is thrown. All four legblades hit 17 together. He staggers backwards, bleeding profusely, and falls off of the platform into the shark tank, screaming as he goes.

    Gates: As I was saying. The people want to know that their leaders are not elitists, that we can relate to the comm

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    1. Re:Shamelessly crossposed from my journal by edalytical · · Score: 5, Funny

      I want to give you "+5 Creative Writing", but somehow this is the only possible way MS could have come up with this ad. So it's either "+5 Corporate Meeting Spy" or "+5 Psychic".

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  12. Let me be one of the first to say by TheSpoom · · Score: 4, Funny

    I want my damn minute back!

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  13. I get it! by Brett+Buck · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's an "Ad about Nothing"!

    1. Re:I get it! by Brett+Buck · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's deeper than that. The original show was about characters with no redeeming value and that didn't care about anyone but themselves. That appears to be tailor-made for a Vista ad.

                Brett

  14. Comment by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Aren't Macs personal computers too?

    Aren't Macs using the same x86 architecture as PCs?

    What's the difference between a Mac and PC besides the operating system?

    1. Re:Comment by davmoo · · Score: 4, Funny

      What the fuck...I've got karma out the ass.

      What's the difference between a Mac and PC besides the operating system?

      The price.

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    2. Re:Comment by Chris+Burke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What's the difference between a Mac and PC besides the operating system?

      About twenty years or so of arbitrary nomenclature. "PC" = x86 with Windows. Stupid but hey what's new in English?

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    3. Re:Comment by dotancohen · · Score: 2, Funny

      THe defacto naming convention, thats what. While technically you are right, common usage in this context has altered the meaning a bit. What most people call Linux is really GNu/Hurd.

      What? Hurd has not been heard (haha) from for over a decade. Linux is the kernel, and gnu/linux is the way debian folk identify one another. Distros take linux (debian folks: that's gnu/linux), bundle it with gnome||kde||xkcd and firefox||iceweasel||plasmapussy, then send it out the door with no acpi support and call it a day.

      Sheesh.

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    4. Re:Comment by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh burn. You sure got me there.

      If you can't find 45 minutes of free time, you don't have any sort of life worth living.

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    5. Re:Comment by extrasolar · · Score: 2, Funny

      Simple:

      One's a young "cool" alpha male who wonders at times about his counterpart.

      The other is an older, larger gentleman in a business suit with glasses who is insecure about his lack of popularity and features.

      I don't understand you though. What does the x86 architecture have to do with computers?

  15. It already succeeded by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The ad was a complete success. Can you believe that, after reading about it on Google News, I actually sought out and watched the commercial? Can you believe that right this very moment you are reading some unimportant commentary by someone whose opinion doesn't matter whatsoever about a TV commercial?

    Score one for Microsoft.

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    1. Re:It already succeeded by TheSpoom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is only if you accept the idea that all publicity is good publicity, which seems to be a popular idea these days, but always seemed kinda dubious to me.

      I saw the ad, and I'm not going to buy Windows. Anyone to whom I link to the ad, I will enclose said link in language making fun of Microsoft, so likely they will also not buy Windows. In fact, this ad is so bad that most who see it will actually want to buy something else, which in this case would be a Mac, or at least anything but the product which it purports to advertise.

      Score one for Microsoft in making it easier for those who already don't like them to make fun of them, and for those who weren't sure to take a step back and think, "Wow, these guys are out of touch."

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    2. Re:It already succeeded by dotancohen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The ad was a complete success. Can you believe that, after reading about it on Google News, I actually sought out and watched the commercial? Can you believe that right this very moment you are reading some unimportant commentary by someone whose opinion doesn't matter whatsoever about a TV commercial?

      Score one for Microsoft.

      Yeah, but did you watch it on CHROME?!?

      Got to get the whole interwebs buzzing about something else this week.

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  16. Oh Please.... by Sounder40 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It wasn't like the first "I'm a Mac" was funny or anything... That was M$'s first one. Let's see a few more before we label the whole thing a bomb.

    And please don't tell my friends I said anything that sounded like a defense of M$... I have a reputation to uphold!

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    1. Re:Oh Please.... by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, I find John Hodgman a riot, but that but the that little scruffy Mac guy just comes across like some beatnik who posts on Mac forums between fixing bitter-ass lattes at his Starbucks job.

      As for this Microsoft commercial, it's not really good or bad, imo. I did like the old picture on his store ID card. The rest was kind of blah, but nowhere near the worst major brand advertising I've ever seen.

      There's a mountain of bad ads including commercials for Feminine hygiene products, dick drugs, American Idol, Invest in gold or buy this cheapass coin from South America ads.

      At least the Microsoft ads are kind of quiet and mellow. No OH SHIT like when whatever that horrible commercial is that starts off with the Hendrix version of the Star Spangled Banner thundering over the THX system at 3am when I am watching an otherwise quiet show.

      I guess we are in the same boat. These are likely the two most positive comments any Microsoft ad will get here. Mind you, I bet the tone would have been completely different had Mac picked up Seinfeld. "OMG How chic campy!" or "Wow, good plan to target middle aged people!" and so on would dominate the thread and we all know it.

    2. Re:Oh Please.... by X0563511 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Too late. You should have checked that "Post Anonymously" mark if you care for... what remains of your tattered reputation.

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  17. And my impression was... I thought that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought that Seinfeld was acting like he just smoked a whole bag full of weed and Gates was just annoyed with him.

    1. Re:And my impression was... I thought that... by McFly69 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Explains why he was all over the place, including wearing shoes in the shower. Then wanting a cake few minutes later.

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  18. Just more of the same. by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    These adds are just suppose to make people think that Microsoft knows the average Joe, that they are a approachable friendly company. Kinda like how Exon Mobile has those commercials to show their R&D in alternative energy aka "not placing all your eggs in one basket" The goal isn't to switch Mac or Linux people to Windows but keep Windows people on Windows. Most likely Seinfeld (a 1990s star during Microsoft PR heyday period, where they were considered to be the most innovative products out there, by many people) help bring back the feeling of the 1990's where running Windows was considered the cool thing to do, and running Mac or Unix was just prolonging the death of an obsolete platform, and Linux was just a Fad OS that will go away once Windows 95 is released.

    It is kinda like see how good things use to be when Microsoft was your favorite OS.

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  19. Actually... by Bullfish · · Score: 2, Insightful

    MS need not fold it's tent, they hold a market share that almost any company in any other industry would kill for... and while the ad may be crappy, so what? They really don't even need to advertise, people know who they are anyway and will likely keep buying MS for the forseable future. Like them or not, their brand recognition is huge.

  20. we're not laughing with you; we're laughing at you by soybean · · Score: 2, Insightful

    we're not laughing with you; we're laughing at you.

  21. What "delicious" means by TheModelEskimo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Delicious, butt-wagging, Seinfeld, cheap shoe stores being abhorrent, poking fun at Mexicans...what do all these things have in common?

    Look at your common PHB. Likes "delicious food" as opposed to what the Mac guy eats, probably raw food or wheat grass or something. Thinks butt-wagging and slapstick are funny. Probably laughs at Seinfeld re-runs. Is glad he doesn't shop at the cheap shoe store for athletic shoes, but probably gets his dress shoes there, because who can tell. Has Mexican neighbors, is uncomfortable knowing he's in the same class they are.

    This ad is brilliantly tarteted as a sort of subconscious reminder that PHB doesn't have to be a Mac guy, darnit, and he's good enough. Microsoft is here to shove more Applebees cake down his throat.

  22. What? by David+Gerard · · Score: 3, Funny

    What's the message? "Vista is hard, let's go shopping!"

    I toldja, they shoulda gone with a tried and tested comedic genius. http://tinyurl.com/5c3r6y

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  24. Re:I'm a Mac guy, and I thought it was funny by pbhj · · Score: 2, Insightful

    if it wasn't for the Windows logo at the end I wouldn't have known what product it was "selling"

    It's not selling a product, yet. It's a hook you're supposed to think "moist, w-t-flip??". That then gives them space in your brain, you're slightly confused as you expect MS to tout their technology, spout off with some of the usual FUD, but no - they haven't even tried to sell you anything ... yet. Now you anticipate round 2, your curious ... curiosity is a killer, it's also a very good marketing tool: if you're in a room with 2 doors and one says "danger to life, do not enter" you couldn't care less what's behind the other one you just want to open the dangerous one!

    IMO it's a good advert, we just have to see if the marketeers can make good of that advantage.

  25. Coke - It's The Real Thing by Dogtanian · · Score: 5, Funny

    I will have you know that TV programming in Japan is quite different than anything you will find in the US, since I think that they give all the people who come up with the shows drugs for inspiration.

    I was going to say they do that with US TV too. Except in that case the drug is cocaine and the only thing it inspires is crap TV as a means to get more money to get more cocaine...

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  26. Mugshot photo by eples · · Score: 2, Informative

    Did anyone catch that his photo on the membership card was his old Arizona mugshot photo (arrested for speeding, IIRC).

    That part did make me laugh.

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  27. There's one thing they *didn't* do that stands out by merreborn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I, too, was throughly unimpressed by the ad, but there is one thing they didn't do: Play Apple's mud slinging game.

    I enjoy the "I'm a mac" ads -- they're just about the only commercials I'll intentionally watch -- but they're pretty aggressive. They blatantly, and actively attempt to belittle their competition. The latest two show "PC" resting on his laurels, and trying to deceive people into purchasing him -- both suggesting that "PC" doesn't have his users' best interests at heart.

    This commercial doesn't do that at all. Some have speculated that was the goal: making it clear that they feel that they don't have to insult their competition. Whether they're just trying to win points for being the nice guy, or they're trying to suggest that they don't have to stoop to Apple's level because they're just that superior, I don't know.

  28. Mac's counter-ad . . . by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 2, Funny

    . . . will show a black screen with the following phrase:

    The cake is a lie.

  29. FestivOS - the OS for the Rest of Us! by wsanders · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yep - a boring, middle of the road public figure shilling for a boring, middle of the road, operating system. It's an OS about - nothing!

    I'm much more interested in seeing what OS Larry David or Frank Costanza would shill for.

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    1. Re:FestivOS - the OS for the Rest of Us! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Funny
      My only explanation for this is ad is as follows:

      Microsoft approached Jerry and said 'We'll give you a huge pile of money if you do an ad for us.' Jerry said 'you know I use a Mac, right?' Microsoft's person said 'Did I mention the really big pile of money?' Jerry said 'I'll do it if I can write the script' Microsoft's guy said 'We get your writing talent and your performing talent? Ideal!' Jerry thought 'Now, how do I make Microsoft look really bad without them noticing and not paying me. I know, Bill Gates! They'll love anything with Bill Gates in it, even if it's really terrible!'

      In fact, it just reminds me of this comic.

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  30. He's right - Jerry Seinfeld is a known... by lanky+nibbs · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...anti-dentite.

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  31. Tooth-talker, in scientific terms: by stewbacca · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oromyofunctional disorder, aka, Tongue Thrust. I like "tooth-talker" better, because if you are a tooth-talker, you have a hell of a time saying tooth-talker, which really brings out the tooth-talker in you.

  32. Reminds Me of BASF by Wingsy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Remember those old BASF commercials? Kinda reminds me of those, where at the end I'm left wondering just what it is I'm supposed to buy. Shoes? Chips? Hula lessons?

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  33. What else has John Hodgman done? by Bemopolis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He was Bruce Campbell's literary agent. All else is epilogue.

    Now go shred your cool card application — you have been pre-denied.

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  34. Re:I just installed Ubuntu on my new Vista laptop by Locutus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The ad was about the PC users being able to go out and you can get have your cake and eat it too. Granted, they think Windows gives you that but as you really know, GNU and Linux get you that in spades. It's all about choice and what YOU want.

    Sorry Bill, Jerry, that ad just didn't work IMO.

    LoB

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  35. It's a good ad, actually. by raehl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First, I think what a lot of people have missed here is something basic: The market. Microsoft is not selling their product to the same people that Apple is selling to. Microsoft has to please a lot more middle-aged corporate types, and a lot of common types. Even the place this ad premiered reflects that - NFL football game. Not the Oscars, MTV Music awards, American Idol - NFL football game. Domain of white guys.

    Second, the point of the ad is not to advertise the product. Microsoft and their ad agency have probably done quite a bit of research and realized that the brand perception of Microsoft is mostly large, faceless, corporate machine. Insert 'evil' in there, if you'd like. The point of the ad is to put a human face on the company. "Oh look, Microsoft's founder has to buy shoes just like me!" Jerry's contribution is to be annoyingly quirky, which allows Bill to be tolerant and 'humor' Jerry. The whole ad is Bill playing along even though you suspect he thinks Jerry is quite odd (also making Bill look not-so-odd by comparison.)

    The ad is effective for what Microsoft is trying to accomplish with it. Hell, even proving Bill isn't ACTUALLY equipped with a Borg eye is worth a few million.

    1. Re:It's a good ad, actually. by k1e0x · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bill looks incredibly odd.. because he is. Socially inept I think its called.

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    2. Re:It's a good ad, actually. by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why advertise to people who are already buying your product. The people who are old and stuck in their ways wouldn't switch from Windows anyway, so there's not point in targetting them. They need to target the younger crowd, both those who have switched, so that they switch back, and those who haven't switched yet, but are getting annoyed with releases like Vista, and may switch in the next 5 years.

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    3. Re:It's a good ad, actually. by Scroatzilla · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't know... I really don't care about the human face of the founder of any companies I do business with, especially huge corporate entities. I can *sort of* connect with a guy who hand crafts his beer, or grows the potatoes for his potato chips, but I'm not sure that this kind of connection is relevant when you see the world's richest man who founded a company that, for all intents and purposes, does something that most people don't really even understand.

      I have a degree in communications (which includes advertising), and I simply don't see how this distinguishes the Microsoft brand in any way other than the fact that they can afford a commercial. A baffling and painfully awkward one at that.

      Okay, what I'm really trying to say is that I'd love to see Jeff Goldblum kick Jerry Seinfeld's ass all over silicon valley. Ummm.

    4. Re:It's a good ad, actually. by asylumx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      NFL fooball game. Domain of white guys.

      Yeah, cuz black people obviously HATE football...

    5. Re:It's a good ad, actually. by Admiral+Ag · · Score: 5, Funny

      "The point of the ad is to put a human face on the company."

      And the commercial succeeded in putting a human ass on the company. How like Microsoft.

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    6. Re:It's a good ad, actually. by Devout_IPUite · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not as much as they hate basketball though.

    7. Re:It's a good ad, actually. by Cheerio+Boy · · Score: 2, Funny

      And the commercial succeeded in putting a human ass on the company.

      C'mon! Give them points for truth in advertising at least! ;-)

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    8. Re:It's a good ad, actually. by Deathlizard · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just to add onto this...

      This Ad seems like it's starting some sort of theme here. Think about it. Why would one of the richest men in the world shop at a discount shoe store? And to top it off, Not even get correctly fitting shoes until Jerry Bails him out with the size 10's? I'm seeing a pattern of "Cheap isn't always good" and "Don't buy something smaller than what you need". Both of these things are definitely true with Vista. A cheap and small PC with low specs will run Vista, but it's better to go with a higher end PC that fits your needs.

      As for the Ad being a failure, Say what you will, but I can't really say it's a failure because we're talking about it right now on Slashdot. Sure it's in a negative light here, but you know you want to see the next one just for the simple reason of figuring out where Microsoft is trying to go with this campaign. It's been all over the net too, so it's getting the exposure. Now the question remains if the campaign as a whole can deliver.

    9. Re:It's a good ad, actually. by phyrz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      as someone who helps out on ubuntu forums from time to time, that idea scares the crap out of me.

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    10. Re:It's a good ad, actually. by mrjb · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hell, even proving Bill isn't ACTUALLY equipped with a Borg eye is worth a few million.

      Isn't it amazing what they can do with computer graphics nowadays? Even if it cost a few million to edit his Borg eye away, it really looks as if it was never there.

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    11. Re:It's a good ad, actually. by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bill Gates doesn't even work at MS anymore, IIRC, so that just makes it all the more pointless. And how is this supposed to show those middle-aged corporate types that MS is going to fix Vista? They don't want something that is "delicious" -- if they wanted that, they'd buy an Apple. They want to know that the next version of Windows won't be another Vista, or that Vista is going to get fixed. The ad does nothing to reassure anyone of that.

    12. Re:It's a good ad, actually. by house_of_cards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As for the Ad being a failure, Say what you will, but I can't really say it's a failure because we're talking about it right now on Slashdot. Sure it's in a negative light here, but you know you want to see the next one just for the simple reason of figuring out where Microsoft is trying to go with this campaign. It's been all over the net too, so it's getting the exposure. Now the question remains if the campaign as a whole can deliver.

      Wrong - the ad is newsworthy and being discussed so much because of:

      - the well-publicized $300 million price tag associated with the campaign

      - the also well-publicized dismal reputation Vista has resulting in such an expensive campaign

      - the failed effort Microsoft has made getting people to switch to Vista resulting in the campaign

      - because Microsoft themselves and the OEMs had to offer a downgrade path to placate home and business users who actually wanted, no - DEMANDED to downgrade to XP from Vista due to the endless compatibility problems and performance issues

      - because another recent Microsoft ad campaign ("Mojave") even went so far as to con users into using the product and then doing a "Pepsi taste test" style switcheroo, as if to say "Yeah, we know Vista's reputation is awful, but once you eliminate the negative stigma associated with the Vista name and trick people into using it, it's not so bad", even though the people in the Mojave commercials aren't actually forced to use Vista on a daily basis and do something as simple as install a new device or program, or drag a file to their desktop without being UAC-prompted to death.

      No, the whole reason this commercial is newsworthy is not due to the content of the commercial itself, but due to the steep price tag, the hiring the star of the most successful sit-com of the past 20 years as well as the "Eternal Sunshine" director and the appearance of Gates himself, all in an attempt to shore up the sagging Vista brand which is not nearly as successful as the company hoped it would be.

    13. Re:It's a good ad, actually. by lightversusdark · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Absolutely disgusting misuse of moderation.

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  36. Then they are going after the wrong market by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They GOT the white football fan. You do NOT suck up to your existing customers, you just give them good deals but not fancy smancy ads because they are already buying your product.

    You aim a new commercial campaign setup to change the opinion of a product with the group who needs its opinion changed. That is the mac-whores, the linux-nerds and the XP-lusers. The middle age white guy who uses Vista because that is what came with his dell doesn't need to be convinced to buy Vista.

    No, I think this case is far simpler. Advertising companies don't sell products, they sell ads. This advertisement company sold itself to Microsoft and this ad was just the by-product of it. It has no more aim then to get money out of MS and if that is done by convincing Bill Gates that he should shake his ass to the camera with an tv-star who hasn't starred in years, then so be it.

    This ad has an audience of one and its name is Gates.

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