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Microsoft Uses "I'm a PC" Character In New Ads

arcticstoat writes to tell us that in the wake of their largely unsuccessful Jerry Seinfeld ad campaign Microsoft is setting their sights directly on recent Apple ads by featuring the "I'm a PC" character in their new advertising campaign. "He then follows this with another phrase, such as 'and I've been made into a stereotype' before the advert shifts to a range of people performing a diverse assortment of jobs, all of which also say they're a PC. Among those featured are astronaut Bernard Harris, as well as religious author Deepak Chopra and 'Desperate Housewives' actress Eva Longoria. The ad also features a wide range of anonymous people, including a shark diver, a teacher and a guy with a beard."

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  1. New ads by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I saw the new ad for the first time last night.

    Man, it's HORRIBLE. The ads try to play on the fact that Windows has the biggest desktop market share by showing a diverse group of people in diverse situations admitting to "being PCs". While the characters try to come off as being "cheeky and cute", they just end up looking like ditzy, ignorant, darwin-award candidates In short ad is somewhat condescending. It's typical Microsoft Strategy -- copy others(Mac ads) and turn out a second-rate imitation.

    Yes, ol' Bill is in the ad, albeit briefly, but they should have echewed Bill and kept Seinfeld in(just to say "I'm a PC", at least) as a cameo! I'm still mad at Bill for the last commercial, in which he said nothing except, "I have a lot of money and now I'm going to wiggle my ass in your face, nyah nyah". If Bill wants to be a celebrity then he can just "leak" a homemade sex tape like the others do.

    1. Re:New ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think the ad was pretty good... much better than the Seinfeld ones, anyway.

    2. Re:New ads by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Microsoft just failed on an epic scale. They didn't take the time to understand the Apple ads, so now they're lashing back at thin air.

      The purpose of John Hodgman was not to "stereotype" PC users. The purpose was to provide a boring image of PCs themselves through the comedy of John Hodgman. The idea was that the more artistic nature of Macs should appeal to users of all walks of life. Microsoft obviously didn't get that.

      Mark my words: These ads will preach to the choir (the people who already hate the Mac commercials) but will do nothing to asuage those commericals. If anything, Microsoft has just drawn MORE attention to Apple.

      Way to go, Microsoft.

    3. Re:New ads by anaesthetica · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Admit it, you would hate the Microsoft commercial no matter what its content was.

      I'm a Mac and I found it to be pretty decent, for a commercial about an operating system.

    4. Re:New ads by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If Bill wants to be a celebrity then he can just "leak" a homemade sex tape like the others do.

      Oh, the world is better served by not even having to contemplate the celebrity sex tape involving Bill Gates.

      And, really, if the richest man in the world isn't a celebrity by now, something has gone wrong. Most people know exactly who he is, he doesn't need any help in being made famous. Certainly not 'in flagrante', as it were.

      Cheers

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    5. Re:New ads by gbjbaanb · · Score: 5, Funny

      do they have a guy running round a street with a shotgun shooting people shouting "It crashed and lost my f***** work, I'm a b****** PC you c**** !"

      No? Perhaps its modelled after Vista... a huge fat guy stuffing his face full of burgers, "I'm a PC, now give me more resources".

      No? Pity, they'd be more in-tune with reality :-)

    6. Re:New ads by Jugalator · · Score: 5, Insightful

      horrible? I thought it was really *really* good. Not only does it help kill the stereotype, but makes the Mac commercials much less effective as well.

      Exactly! I'm getting "only on Slashdot" feelings about some comments here. :-S

      I'm planning for my first MacBook in a near future, but despite this, I have to commend Microsoft for getting a commercial out that makes Apple's predecessor look plain silly/stupid/childish in comparison.

      OK, to be perectly clear here -- what message Microsoft is trying to get across, is that Microsoft doesn't cater to a "kind" of user, like Apple implies in their commercial, but try to cater for all kinds. And in the process of doing so, doesn't try to smear other software platforms, but just speaks for themselves.

      I think the commercial is great, especially compared to the offensive-defensive Apple commercial.

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    7. Re:New ads by MBCook · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That was kind of my take. They started doing the "I'm a PC" thing, but it got old. I think the commercial would work better in a 30s version than the 60s version I saw.

      But the more I thought about the ad as I watched it, the more it occured to me they were all sheep. I figure the vast majority of them (especially those who looked like they were in other, poorer countries) probably hadn't tried a Windows alternative for more than 5 minutes. They just don't know there are better options, or for many that there even are other options.

      It actually made the commercial less "blah" and more "a tiny bit sad".

      I enjoyed the Seinfeld ads much more. I wanted to see what the next one would be. This is a generic Microsoft marketing "let's make an ad" ad. The tag line ("I'm a PC too") is meaningless. It doesn't do anything to make me want a PC more. And it certainly is about "breaking boundaries with Windows" which is what this whole campaign is supposed to be about.

      I'm going to put this one up there with the DotBomb era commercials like "Everyone is looking for the new economy, but it's not through a door, it's through a Window".

      Congratulations. You've poked fun at a popular set of commercials, made yourself seem less relevant by just copying off that (since obviously you didn't think your last idea was working). You're more Microsoft that ever. Isn't that exactly what you were trying to avoid?

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    8. Re:New ads by PunkOfLinux · · Score: 5, Funny

      Guy with a beard? Fucking traitor!!!

    9. Re:New ads by phasm42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The idea was that the more artistic nature of Macs should appeal to users of all walks of life. Microsoft obviously didn't get that.

      I believe you're the one not getting it. The purpose of this advertisement is not to carefully interpret the Apple ad, but to override it with their own interpretation. I think they did a fair job at this.

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    10. Re:New ads by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Funny

      My wife saw the ad and made the best comment ever.
      "I need to go out and buy a Mac now! I can not dorky enough to use Windows anymore."

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    11. Re:New ads by Brigadier · · Score: 2

      I actually watch the ad objectively and thought it made a point. Apple's ads were always about being free form. MS is saying there is nothing wrong with having form and structure. Fact is consumers are a Mob they only remember what they heard last.If this add manages to diffuse the stereo type then so be it. There is a vast majority of people in this world (over 30 crowd) who don't think striving to be cool is what life is about. It's about responsibility and dependability, I think MS may strike a cord with this market.

    12. Re:New ads by David+Gerard · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "I'm a PC ... and I run Ubuntu."

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    13. Re:New ads by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm a linux fan myself and I liked the ads. Much better than the Seinfield ads.

      The bit at the end with the guy in the shark cage "I'm a PC, and I'm scared" was pretty good.

      (Disclaimer: I recently built a Vista gaming rigs and have been extremely pleased)

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    14. Re:New ads by Poltras · · Score: 4, Insightful

      better != good. But I liked this one better too.

    15. Re:New ads by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The purpose of this advertisement is not to carefully interpret the Apple ad, but to override it with their own interpretation.

      Except that they just acknowledged their existence. If Apple ignores these ads (which they will because they have no "punch") Microsoft will end up looking petty. And again, Microsoft is drawing attention to Apple's ads. Don't draw attention to your opponent unless he has managed to grab sufficient mind-share to demand a response! Microsoft still has the lead in the market, so there is no way they can "win" back attention they haven't lost. All they can do is continue to lose ground.

    16. Re:New ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mod parent up.

      I can't stand Windows. The operating system is a piece of crap.

      However, this commercial is not. It's the old "positive/negative" campaigning option. Like it or not, Mac's ads are more or less 'negative' campaigning in that they specifically single out the opponent and paint it in a negative light. Note that the "Mac guy" never seems to do a whole lot, just stand there and be way 'cooler' than the "PC guy" while the latter bitches about how awful he is.

      This Microsoft ad accepts that complaint, and without responding in kind, instead shows that being forced into a box - the activity Mac users in theory would rail against - is exactly the sort of thing those commercials are trying to do to PC users, who aren't so easily described.

      I'm not going to go out and buy Vista. But I do think this commercial is a major success for their ad department.

    17. Re:New ads by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The purpose of John Hodgman was not to "stereotype" PC users. The purpose was to provide a boring image of PCs themselves through the comedy of John Hodgman.

      Right. John Hodgman does not represent a stereotypical PC user and Justin Long is not intended to represent a stereotypical Mac user. If you pay any attention to the ad, you'll realize that they represent personifications of a Mac and a PC. So that's why they say "I'm a Mac," and "I'm a PC."

      So no, Apple isn't stereotyping PC users by saying that they're boring generic business geeks. They're making fun of other PC manufacturers for making boring generic business computers. Microsoft's ad people are either retarded or they're banking on the commercial-watching public to have paid little attention to the Mac/PC ads.

      So I think you're right. Those people who paid any attention to those ads will probably see Microsoft's new ads and think, "Wow they're dumb. They missed the point." But for people who haven't paid a lot of attention to those Mac/PC ads, these ads will call more attention to the Mac/PC ads. If anything, by acknowledging those Mac/PC ads, Microsoft is raising Apple up (in terms of consumer psychology) to their equal and competitor, whereas part of what keeps people afraid of switching is the idea that Macs are a fad that shouldn't be taken seriously.

      All in all, I don't think this is a great idea for an ad campaign.

    18. Re:New ads by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem is that Windows is now what you use if you have no choice. It is the default.
      Very few people really want to use Windows. They use it because it runs the programs they need and is cheap. Why is Vista doing so bad? Because it doesn't add anything to that the average Windows user cares about. It doesn't run more software than XP and it isn't cheaper.

      That is the problem Microsoft has now. Apple is a choice so people look forward to change. Windows is the default. If Windows users wanted change they would buy a Mac or install Linux.
      What windows users want is XP fixed and secure but running just as fast on their current hardware.
      Biggest mistake that I think Microsoft made? Not back porting DX10 to XP. Nobody is going to write a DX10 only game as long as a large percentage of users can not play it. Heck just make it run just a little faster under Vista than XP and people would have a reason to move.
      Second biggest mistake. Not making Vista 64 bit only. Just my opinion but I would bet that vendors would come out with Vista versions of their software just so they could use the 64bit mode.

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    19. Re:New ads by dogdick · · Score: 5, Funny

      Good!? Good?! They were GREAT! I ran out and bought a new Windows Majave laptop!!! Who is laughing now steve jobs?!

    20. Re:New ads by Saint+Stephen · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, the message is, if you can't use proper English, you should buy a Mac?

    21. Re:New ads by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I liked the Mac adverts they were funny (the British version was better still)

      This is simply stating we have a large market share, which everyone already knows, or doesn't care

      I'm not a PC or a Mac or a Linux I'm a person who sometimes uses a computer, and runs programs on the computer, It runs an operating system - If I am aware of the operating system at all it is because it has got in my way

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    22. Re:New ads by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Informative

      In the Apple ads, both characters personify the machines and not the users. Most people unfortunately are extrapolating that Hodgeman represents the average PC user. It is clear that he represents the average PC machine and Justin Long represents Mac. What Apple is doing is just classic advertising. "Our product is better than that other product. It has these strengths. . ." It's no different than the old commercials where Brand A floor cleaner was compared to be more effective than Brand X. But just like any other product some people identify with the product and miss the message. "Hey I'm Brand X! I'm effective not matter what that commercial says! I'm offended!"

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    23. Re:New ads by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What are you talking about? I thought it was *devastating* to Apple. Primarily because it's true. The vast majority of people -- and yes, creative people -- use PCs. The Mac ads have always been arrogant and condescending, and this is a major "up yours" to Apple.

      And the tagline is absolutely perfect: "Life Without Walls". That's a direct hit on the most obnoxious characteristic of the Apple world -- the lock-in.

      These ads are as good as the other ones were bad, and they were REALLY bad.

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    24. Re:New ads by eta526 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Sums it up nicely:

      I'm a PC, and a human being. Not a human doing. Not a human thinking. A human being.

    25. Re:New ads by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you're missing the point of what AKAImBatman. He's not a stereotype of PC *users*. He is a personification of the PC itself. His character is supposed to be the computer, not the person using the computer.

      So the commercial isn't saying PC users are boring and inept, but rather that most computers are boring and inept, and people using boring and inept users should switch to using computers that are cool, sleek, and competent.

      So yeah, I guess that's a stereotype, but a stereotype about Dell computers and HP computers, and not about the people who use them. That's why the end of Microsoft's commercial, "I'm a PC, and a human being" is retarded. No, you're not a PC at all, you just happen to use one.

    26. Re:New ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh, the guy with a beard? He's using a PC, but it's running Linux. He was just forced to pay the Microsoft tax.

    27. Re:New ads by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, I don't quite get it, but that don't mean much. :-P

      they're insulting and demeaning to the very users they're trying to convert. I constantly wonder what idiot came up with an ad that insults your potential customers, and why he isn't fired yet.

      Are they actually demeaning and insulting to the potential customers? I don't perceive it as that -- they're not saying "PC users are doody heads", they're highlighting some of the more frustrating elements that people running Windows have encountered over the years. To me, it seems more like commiseration "we feel your pain" not "you suck". Heck, one of the current ads highlights how a "Mac Guru" will be happy to help you migrate your files from Windows to the Mac. They don't seem (IMO) to actually attempt to say anything at all about the people who use the machines, other than they might have experienced frustration.

      I mean, in an industry where "reboot the computer" is referred to as the "Microsoft Patch", and people have just taken for granted that strange stuff happens sometimes, I must admit I haven't always found the Windows experience to be quite what you'd call rewarding. (However, I will also say that my home machine running XP has been the single most stable Windows-based PC I've ever used.)

      Anyway, advertising is one of those things that you either like a campaign, or you don't. The ones someone dislikes, they usually do so quite vehemently. Not a whole lot of point in debating who is more right on this one. :-P

      Cheers

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    28. Re:New ads by h4rm0ny · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Personally I don't think you can draw a hard line between whether the adverts stereotyped the computers or their users. For me, the latter seemed quite obvious and I have no doubt that many others took things the same way. After all - the Apple ads played extensively from the very start on what the computers were used for. If that's not an extension of their users then you'll be hard pushed to find something that is.

      And for anyone who ever used to watch the British TV show in which these characters appeared together (before they turned into computers), the message is even further removed from what Apple presumably intend, because the character that became the Apple was an absolute arsehole to people.

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    29. Re:New ads by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Parody? Maybe. But not effective parody.

      One thing I've lawyers say about defamation suits is that they're usually not worth bringing. It isn't just the burden of proof, it's that the publicity reinforces the defamation in the public eye. Parody might work here, but you've got to shred the Apple message, not riff off of it. You can't be timid with parody; there's no half way. Half way parody only reinforces what you want to fight.

      So Microsoft can't just bring the "I'm a PC" character out to defend himself, because that just reinforces the negative message. "I am not a boring nerd!" ** yawn **. They have to bring out the "I am a Mac" guy out and make him look like a total ass. Make him a pretentious airhead who spends all his time talking about how cool he is while "I am a PC" is quietly getting the job done.

      Of course, they can't do that without insulting everybody who has ever bought a Mac -- possibly even insulting everyone who's bought any Apple product. Given the number of iPods out there, that's a lot of people.

      Real parody is not nice. That makes it hard to pull it off when people think you're a vicious asshole. Maybe that was the point of the Seinfeld/Gates thing; to give MS a more aw-shucks regular guy image before they pulled out their sharp knives. Looks like they pulled out their sharp knife just long enough for a self-inflicted wound.

      The ad would be better just showing all the cool things you can do with a Windows PC, which is the point. They still need a hook, but it couldn't be hard to come up with a better one than, "You probably think I'm boring, but I'm not as boring as you think."

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    30. Re:New ads by CODiNE · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The purpose of John Hodgman was not to "stereotype" PC users

      Answered with ...

      They have the slightly overweight balding guy in an old suit being a PC, and you don't think that's stereotyping?

      You realize you missed his point entirely? The Apple commercials were NEVER talking about identifying with the users. It's personifying the OS itself, as if it has a personality. You're making the same mistake Bill Gates made about this whole thing.

      Instead consider this... Bill Gates is supposed to have Aspergers, Steve Jobs is diagnosed with ADHD. Now imagine what sort of differences that could have on their OS philosophies. Notice the OS characters in the Apple commercials sort of correspond to those? Microsoft is intentionally distorting the message to make it look like Apple was stereotyping PC users, trying to make people take personal offense at a characterization of an Operating System.

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    31. Re:New ads by Lars+T. · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's called parody, they are trying to imitate the guy from the Apple commercials.

      So two years after Apple brought out those commercials, Microsoft makes "parodies" that are lamer than any parodies that could be found on YouTube 2 years ago? Hey, that tells a lot about Microsoft in relation to Apple.

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    32. Re:New ads by halcyon1234 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you kidding me? They have the slightly overweight balding guy in an old suit being a PC, and you don't think that's stereotyping? Sure, the Mac commercials went over other things too, but saying there wasn't any stereotyping going on is just silly. Maybe you should read my sig.

      As much as I hate to admit it, Microsoft does have a point. I've always hated the Mac/PC commercials, because they never make any real point-- they only throw about strawmen and half-truth non-sequesters. And the entire run of commercials is just one big, poorly-veiled attack ad on Windows. "A PC is gray, therefore ever PC in the world runs slow. Hahahah. Buy a Mac.".

      At the very least, the Microsoft ads are trying to define the PC market as more than a homogeneous lump of "gray box that can only do spreadsheets and smells like Grandpa". Unfortunately, at that point they just fall into the same trap as the PC/Mac commercials. A PC isn't a Windows box (as much as Apple or Microsoft would love to have people believe). They're still trying to tie usage of their operating system (which is really what they're selling-- they're trying to sell you on Vista) to a specific demographic of people (ie: "normal" people). They can't sell it on the OS's benefits, or value, or usability, or usefulness-- or anything, for that matter. So they're trying to use peer pressure.

    33. Re:New ads by captaindomon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They're not an exact opposite of the Apple ads, but that's not the intent. They're not trying to say, "Apple has it wrong." They're trying to say "People need to open their minds and not have a right or wrong argument". I think it's great. And yes, I have owned and used Mac, Linux, and Windows machines. Operating systems need to stop being argued like a religion, I'm getting tired of it.

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    34. Re:New ads by nabsltd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For me, it's possibly a better advert than the Apple ones, the basic message of which I took to be: Macs are designed for goofing around showing off your photos, and PCs are for actually getting anything done.

      I always thought the basic message of the "I'm a Mac/PC" ads was that PCs inhibit your ability to get things done and Macs make it easier. Note: I'm using "PC" in the same way the ads do...to refer to a Windows machine. It's not correct, but unfortunately it's another case where perception becomes reality.

      I can't see how you got the reverse out of those ads. If the focus group for testing them had had the same opinion as you, I don't think we would have ever seen them in that form.

      Personally, I like the Mac/PC ads, although I only agree with about 10% of what they say, since I (and people around me) run XP systems that only reboot once a month for patch Tuesday, and run a lot of different types of software with no issues.

    35. Re:New ads by TobyRush · · Score: 5, Informative

      The trouble is Apple doesn't get it either. John Hodgman's "PC" over time has developed a sympathetic cachet; everyone I know loves the apple ads, but we are all rooting for the poor PC who just keeps taking the hits.

      Of course everyone is rooting for Hodgman -- he's the star of the commercials. But people are watching the commercials, laughing at them, calling their spouses in to the living room saying, "Hey, there's a new one on"... that's advertising success. The point is to have people remembering how cool those commercials for Apple were when they are thinking of buying a new computer.

      The new MS ad actually appeals to them, its a little vindication for 'poor PC'.

      I disagree. If Charlie Brown started repeatedly kicking Lucy in the head in a fit of long-suppressed rage, we might sympathize, but I'm guessing readership would probably drop off a bit.

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    36. Re:New ads by Lars+T. · · Score: 2, Funny

      The purpose of John Hodgman was not to "stereotype" PC users.

      In that case, they failed hard, because that's exactly how he comes off in the commercials. What they supposedly were trying to make cheeky, light-hearted ads came off as insulting and mean-spirited towards the very people they want to advertise to. If that isn't bad marketing, I don't know what is.

      Gee, if the shoe fits - do you look like John Hodgman by chance?

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    37. Re:New ads by Perl-Pusher · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Put down the joystick and realize there is a whole real world out there. Many people just want to use the internet period. There is a whole baby boomer generation that is connected. They use computers to stay in touch ,get news and order things online. We have people 70+ years using computers every single day. The common consensus is apple is easier. That they don't have nearly as many problems, and they are "high quality". I'm not going to debate this. Its a perception and with people perception is 90% truth. There is a huge market for a device that keeps them doing what they are and "just works". Microsoft rarely puts out anything the just works. In many cases a PC works great for about 6 months to a year then it gets slower, and slower and sloooooowwwwweeer. And when they ask their local "expert" there is one in every family, they get reinstall your OS, check for viruses/malware, buy a new PC in that order. Lately a lot have just said screw it and buy a MAC. My company president came to me and said "its time to get a new laptop, this time get me a Mac. My wife loves hers." You can also play any game on a Mac as you can a PC. The idea of running windows in a protected virtual machine is appealing to many. Apple is a hardware company, lest you forget.

    38. Re:New ads by nine-times · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Um... what British TV show where the characters appeared together? There was a British sitcom where anthropomorphized computers were roommates or something? Sounds like a show I want to watch.

      Anyway, no, it's quite clear that Justin Long is a Macintosh computer and John Hodgeman is a PC. When the "Mac" character gets Time Machine, there are lots of copies of him. John Hodgeman crashes and needs to be repaired. They talk about Mac and PC getting sold and having features.

      Now, you can argue that lots of people misunderstand the ads and think that they're supposed to be a Mac user and a PC user. However, if you think they are users and not the machines themselves, then you either aren't paying attention or don't understand concepts like "metaphor".

    39. Re:New ads by idontgno · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're overlooking a critical point: The "I'm a Mac" marketing campaign is implicitly playing on identification. In a consumer society, we are what we buy. "Clothes make the man", "What does your car say about you", etc.

      (See also SUVs in the context of psychological compensating behaviors.)

      Yeah, you bet, the actors in the Apple commercials are saying that they're walking-talking personifications of the respective systems. But, undeniably, they also typify the stereotypes of the respective user communities, and therefore they are an extension of the time-honored "all the cool people use Macs, all PC users are incompetent dullards" marketing spin.

      This is the angle Microsoft's campaign is playing against. Their ad is asking the viewer "Aren't you offended that Apple is calling you a colorless incompetent tool? You should be, because look at the variety of cool interesting people who use PCs! You're a member of the cool set, not that mock-turtleneck phoney!"

      This is simply stating we have a large market share, which everyone already knows, or doesn't care

      The Microsoft ad is saying that they have a diverse market share. Again, attempting to counter Apple's elitist spin. (Yeah, a large market share, too; that's an appeal to belonging. That is very powerful in herd animals like Consumers.)

      I'm not a PC or a Mac or a Linux I'm a person who sometimes uses a computer, and runs programs on the computer, It runs an operating system - If I am aware of the operating system at all it is because it has got in my way

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      Congratulations on your immunity to marketing psychology. You are in such a trivially-small minority compared to the Consumer Herd that you don't even register. Advertisers aren't talking to you. They will score big if their wiles work on a small percentage of the remaining 99.999% of money-spending mass of humanity.

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    40. Re:New ads by cephalien · · Score: 3, Funny

      College? Maybe you'd like to try some of that delicious pizza over there?

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    41. Re:New ads by fastest+fascist · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm a Mac and I found it to be pretty decent, for a commercial about an operating system.

      You know, I was about to say how the worst thing about that ad was the way it failed to create the idea that the people shown are really computers, and instead shows a bunch of people rabidly obsessed with their particular kind of computer. "Who the hell calls themselves a computer?", I thought. I found it creepy.

    42. Re:New ads by oatworm · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, they have 18 MS distributors.

      The more you know.

    43. Re:New ads by jep77 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think the ad was pretty good... much better than the Seinfeld ones, anyway.

      Right... which is exactly how they want you to feel. They released crappy ads that you hated and followed them up with ads which are only marginally better and you're calling them pretty good. This ad campaign is no mistake. What I'm about to say is so obvious I can't believe I'm actually taking the time to do so: Microsoft releases Vista... it's crap and you hate it... Next comes Windows 7 which will be marginally better crap and you'll love it... all because you're taking to the TV based training so well... This all just reminded me of something totally unrelated. I fed Microsoft Mojave into the internet anagram server recently ... Jive moms fart coo...

    44. Re:New ads by mingot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do you REALLY think this extrapolation is accidental?

      That the advert company that makes the adds has said "Wow, here is a shocker, people are thinking wwe're actually doing this to have them think you'll be a cooler person if you run a Mac. Crazy. We didn't expect this!

      Most likely, because advertisers would NEVER use sex appeal / cool facor to sell a product or use an unappealing actor to represent the consumer of another product. Never.

      Gimme a fucking break.

    45. Re:New ads by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Right, because some PCs have beards, have rings, and are scared while shark-diving.

      The ads end with some guy saying, "I'm a PC, and a human being. Not a human doing; not a human thinking. A human being." And you're arguing that he's an anthropomorphized computer?

    46. Re:New ads by jonbryce · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Mac Ads, as well as portraying the different "characters" of the respective operating systems, each contained a different message about what Macs do.

      Eg, they run MS Office, you can share files with a PC, you don't have to worry about viruses, they come with a built in iSight camera, etc.

      These Windows ads don't tell you anything about the benefits of PCs. I guess it is trying to say that there as a much wider range of software available for all sorts of different tasks, but it doesn't really spell it out to the viewer.

    47. Re:New ads by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can't be timid with parody; there's no half way. Half way parody only reinforces what you want to fight.

      A good example of this is the whole controversy with the New Yorker cover showing the Obamas and their "terrorist fist jab". It was meant to parody the right-wing characterization of Michelle and Barack Obama by showing an absurd representation of them. The problem was, the representation wasn't any more absurd that the right-wing characterization, and so people weren't sure how serious the cover was.

      If you're going to parody something, you have to be far more absurd than the original. Otherwise, it's just not parody.

    48. Re:New ads by fsmunoz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree. The ads are well-done and a decent reply to the Apple ones. They play on the Apple pseudo-elitism that seems to be the reason so many people like the Mac ads and many others dislike them nicely, basically saying "glam or no glam the truth is that Windows PCs are used to do just about anything".

      I don't even use Windows myself BTW.

    49. Re:New ads by Klaus_1250 · · Score: 2, Funny

      better != good

      With one-liners like that, you should become a consultant.

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    50. Re:New ads by Rei · · Score: 2, Funny

      much better than the Seinfeld ones, anyway.

      So is stepping into a bathtub full of agitated electric eels, but I wouldn't recommend Microsoft use that as a marketting strategy either.

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    51. Re:New ads by genner · · Score: 5, Funny

      Operating systems need to stop being argued like a religion, I'm getting tired of it.

      Blasphemy....burn the witch!

    52. Re:New ads by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As I said when they fired Seinfeld,this is just sad.I build and repair PCs for a living and when I offer Vista as an option on a new build I get a loud "EEEEEW!" from the customer,like I just cut a big fart in front of them. And folks wanting to "downgrade" have gotten so bad that if they have one of the Vistas that have downgrade rights I send them down the street because I don't want to deal with it,and what is their big answer? Maybe bringing back XP in a new package like XP SP3:Reloaded? Nope,that lame Mojave bit and now a very sad Mac ad ripoff.

      If anyone at MSFT is listening,your problem ISN'T mindshare,okay? Folks already know who you are. And lame ads ain't going to help either,no matter how much money you throw at them. The problem is enough folks have gotten a taste of Vista to know that they hate it,and one person with a bad experience will tell 10 friends. Which is why I have folks that have never even tried Vista looking at me like I took a crap when I even suggest it as an option. Whether you can fix it now or not is irrelevant,okay? You screwed the launch,and the DRM and buggy drivers have already made folks minds up for them,and that can't be fixed with ads.

      Accept the fact that the public hates Vista and considers it WinME-II,and be glad that unlike most companies you have a product to fall back on the folks will gladly buy. So accept your mistake,bring back XP with maybe a new theme like one of these and enjoy the truckloads of money you will make,as well as the goodwill from the OEMs and buying public that hate Vista. Then take the time you need to get Win7 right. Worry about your customer base instead of the big media companies,who won't go with you anyway because Apple owns media with the iPod. But all you are doing with these ads is making yourself look a day late,a dollar short,and unable to do anything but ripoff Apple. And it is just sad. But as always this is my 02c,YMMV

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    53. Re:New ads by genner · · Score: 2, Funny

      much better than the Seinfeld ones, anyway.

      So is stepping into a bathtub full of agitated electric eels, but I wouldn't recommend Microsoft use that as a marketting strategy either.

      Actually that might work.

    54. Re:New ads by phanboy_iv · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think it's much better than the Apple ones as well, in that it doesn't have that obnoxious Apple smugness. Besides, the Apple commercials were always missing a third character - Richard Stallman in a toga riding a GNU.

    55. Re:New ads by Luke_22 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They're trying to say "People need to open their minds and not have a right or wrong argument". I think it's great.

      by "people need to open thir minds", you actually meant "other ways? what other ways? everyone's pc!", right?
      seriously, i find those ads are quite nice, since they involve people... but i can't see any openness in presenting a lot of people with the same idea, and not saying anything else...
      openness would be having pc/mac guys working together... maybe the pc guy could "win" somehow, but openness involves multiple ideas, not just one.

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    56. Re:New ads by I'm+not+really+here · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly... I'm not a mac user, but I have actually gone to their site to watch their commercials (I have Tivo, so I never see commercials normally). They're that funny!

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    57. Re:New ads by Yosho · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you can do anything on the PC that you can do on the Mac.

      Huh, I can modify and compile my own Windows kernel? ... no? Can I boot up my PC into a target disk mode that lets other computers access it as an external hard drive via firewire? ... no? Mount a ZFS filesystem? ...no? Write programs that use a POSIX API? ... only if I use a fairly slow, buggy middle layer?

      There are lots of things you can do in OS X that you can't do in Windows. Should I list more?

      And no, you can't "work faster" on the Mac than you can on Windows

      I find it interesting that you are familiar with my work habits and needs and know exactly how fast I can work in different operating systems. Are you a stalker?

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    58. Re:New ads by mweather · · Score: 5, Funny

      Operating systems need to stop being argued like a religion, I'm getting tired of it.

      If you don't like your OS being like a religion, maybe you should get out of the Cathedral and visit the Bazaar.

    59. Re:New ads by nine-times · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And the tagline is absolutely perfect: "Life Without Walls". That's a direct hit on the most obnoxious characteristic of the Apple world -- the lock-in.

      Yeah, sure, because there's no lock-in with Windows.</sarcasm>

      And what lock-in is there with Apple, really? If you want to use their OS, you have to use it on their computer.... and that's pretty much it. You're free to not use their OS, and mostly Apple uses open protocols and formats. They even use a lot of open source software, and release some of their own software under open source licenses.

      People who complain about Apple's lock-in with Macintoshes (in comparison to Windows, at least) generally have very little idea of what they're talking about. You can present some arguments about iTunes DRM, but Windows Media DRM locks you in just as badly to devices and operating systems that support that DRM. Apple, on the other hand, at least uses AAC and H264, which means they're using real standards when you drop the DRM out.</tangential rant>

    60. Re:New ads by jweller · · Score: 4, Funny

      and none of those parodies are as good as this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7PhJp3ciRQ

    61. Re:New ads by AncientPC · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If I was living a life without walls, then why would I need Windows?

    62. Re:New ads by Intron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      hmmm...
        - Is the subject of many books and articles.
        - Has high priests who speak in a way that the masses don't understand.
        - Doesn't have any effect on 99% of what you do.
      In what way are operating systems not like religions?

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      Intron: the portion of DNA which expresses nothing useful.
    63. Re:New ads by mweather · · Score: 4, Funny

      The only Mac Office customers who aren't pissed are the ones who haven't used the software yet.

    64. Re:New ads by synthespian · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yeah! Me too! I went out and donated my Mac to the Salvation Army and my Unix boxen got sent to Africa, and I got me THREE BRAND NEW COMPUTERS WITH VISTA INSTALLED!

      Oh, boy! Talk about eye candy!

      Couldn't get the wireless at the hotel lobby to work, though...

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    65. Re:New ads by FireFury03 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Seems a bit odd that Microsoft have chosen to do this now. I mean, the Mac vs. PC ads were *ages* ago - MS seem to have left it a bit late to do a direct response like this.

    66. Re:New ads by Dragonslicer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Operating systems need to stop being argued like a religion, I'm getting tired of it.

      Yeah, it's taking the focus away from the KDE vs. Gnome and vi vs. emacs arguments.

    67. Re:New ads by synthespian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not about religion. More, like, about quality.

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    68. Re:New ads by MadMidnightBomber · · Score: 2, Informative
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    69. Re:New ads by Miseph · · Score: 5, Funny

      "the representation wasn't any more absurd that the right-wing characterization"

      Did you really expect the impossible?

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    70. Re:New ads by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, this is just a rehash of the 1980's IBM add with Charlie Chaplain.

      The great strength of WinDOS and Microsoft has always been the bandwagon.

      It's what got them started and it's what keeps them from dying quickly.

      As an ad, it is f*cking brilliant compared to that Seinfeld thing.

      It still fails as persuasion for anyone with more than half a brain cell.

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    71. Re:New ads by Stan+Vassilev · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > you can do anything on the PC that you can do on the Mac.

      Huh, I can modify and compile my own Windows kernel? ... no? Can I boot up my PC into a target disk mode that lets other computers access it as an external hard drive via firewire? ... no? Mount a ZFS filesystem? ...no? Write programs that use a POSIX API? ... only if I use a fairly slow, buggy middle layer?

      That's a surprising laundry list of features completely irrelevant to the needs of an average desktop computer user, and not a very accurate one.

      And still, there remains that one thing that PC users can do that Mac users can't: shut the fuck up.

    72. Re:New ads by kat_skan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, when I saw that, lock-in wasn't even the sort of walls that came to mind. I've got a fair number of devices running some variant of Windows, and what strikes me about them is how the most recent offerings have gone from "Where do you want to go today?" to "You can't get there from here."

      Vista Business can't play DVDs. You need third-party software. Vista Premium can't use a scanner or a fax modem. You need third-party software. And it can't ever join a domain. Vista Basic won't let you use Aero, so you can't change the freaking color scheme. XP can't play DX10 games, including Halo 2, which is only a DX10 game so that it won't work on XP. OEM versions freak out if you upgrade too much, and you have to call for permission to keep using it. And the 64-bit versions of everything are an entire separate product, so upgrade enough and you're buying another copy regardless.

      Office is subdivided a dozen different ways, with no apparent rhyme or reason. If you want a word processor, a spreadsheet and a desktop publishing app, you either buy them separately or get the "Small Business" suite that costs $450 because it also has PowerPoint, Outlook and Accounting bundled in.

      The Windows on my phone arbitrarily doesn't have Pocket Office. It syncs with Outlook, but not with the PIM apps included with Vista. And even if you have Outlook, it doesn't have a notepad, so it doesn't sync Outlook notes.

      Then there's their products whose entire raison d'être is to keep you from using your software. There's PlaysForSure, which was unceremoniously dropped in favor of the Zune's new DRM. They turned the servers off, so the computer your PlaysForSure music is on now is the last one it'll ever be on. And there's Windows Genuine Advantage, literally designed to make your OS break if it suspects you shouldn't be running it, or even just at the whims of the authentication servers.

      And the worst of it is, that's just first-party stuff. All barriers Microsoft has erected between their own freaking products. Life without walls, indeed.

    73. Re:New ads by Dillon2112 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Apple may say in the ads that Windows is more annoying than OS X, but in reality, they provide bootcamp and support users who choose to run both OS X and Windows on their Mac computers. So from the religion perspective, Apple just wants you to buy their hardware...they don't mind if you run Windows on it. Arguing that MS is somehow taking the high ground by *not* saying "Apple has it wrong" is kind of strange.

      Further, in the Mac ads, the people are standing in for actual machines. In the MS ad, people are standing in for...people. So the whole "I'm a PC" thing has kind of an odd ring to it. If anything, it is pushing a notion of your identity being strongly linked to what operating system you use. Since there are no "users" in the Mac ads, that tone is absent. From this perspective, the MS ads are more religious than the Mac ads, since they are defining *who people are* in terms of what kind of computer they use.

    74. Re:New ads by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Arguing which OS is "the best" is like arguing about which color is "the best". "Quality" is just yet another way of saying "the best".

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    75. Re:New ads by ari_j · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have only one hope in all this, and that is that Ellen Feiss gets to be in another ad. And I kind of want that ad to be her saying "I'm a PC! Ooh, that paper looks really good!" and then eating the paper.

      With love,
      ari_j
      President, Ellen Feiss Fan Club*

      * - Okay, maybe not. But our official team name for programming competitions back in college when the ad was playing on TV was the Ellen Feiss Fan Club. It was a simpler time. It was a happier time.

    76. Re:New ads by geekoid · · Score: 3, Funny

      Windows is bloated, dim witted, and isn't nimble.

      There is a difference between stereotyping and accuracy.

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    77. Re:New ads by freddie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The vast majority of people -- and yes, creative people -- use PCs.

      I hate it when that phrase is used "creative people". Its generally a term used by artist-types to make themselves feel elite, implying that other people are not creative.

      The truth being is that engineers have to be more creative because our work is measured by the exacting standards of nature and of mathematics. We're creative at a level that those people cannot begin to comprehend, and they know it.

    78. Re:New ads by RobertM1968 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I never saw it as stereotyping Windows users. I saw it as something more akin to describing Windows itself... rehashing old technology, pretending it is new, trying to dress it up in "everyone else did that years ago" clothing.

    79. Re:New ads by GaryPatterson · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Mac ads have always been arrogant and condescending, and this is a major "up yours" to Apple.

      The Mac ads may be considered arrogant and condescending to some Windows users who identify far too closely with their OS of choice. Step back a little, and look at them for the light-hearted ads they are.

      And the tagline is absolutely perfect: "Life Without Walls". That's a direct hit on the most obnoxious characteristic of the Apple world -- the lock-in.

      The tagline is atrocious. The next thought I had was "If there are no walls, why would I want Windows?"

      The new ad from Microsoft is nice enough, but since Linux runs on PCs, it works every bit as well for Tux. Hell, it more or less works for OS X.

      What was said about Windows in the last three ads? Buzz is nice enough, but when you're already the monopoly player you hardly need to get the word out. What reasons do people now have to buy Vista that they didn't know about before the last three ads?

    80. Re:New ads by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 2, Funny

      The purpose of John Hodgman was not to "stereotype" PC users. The purpose was to provide a boring image of PCs themselves through the comedy of John Hodgman.

      No, John Hodgman is supposed to be boring Bill Gates, while the other guy represents hip, creative Steve Jobs. That's why they piss off Bill so much.

      I know this because at an Apple developers conference, they showed a tape of John Hodgman (in the same suit and using the same whiny voice) announce that he had been talking to Steve Jobs recently, and that Steve had told him that "all Mac developers should immediately stop innovating and go help Bill with Vista."
      Then he added "we need a lot of help with that."

    81. Re:New ads by el+cisne · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not a bad comeback, but should have been done a long time ago.

      I thought it was a good response, although unclever, clumsy, obvious, tactless, pointed, non-subtle, defensive, immature (what, are they gonna cry?? mean ol' Mac making fun of them??), ham-handed, it was a solid response. A stupid response but a solid response.

      They took the Apple ads too personal -- their response was like they were hurt, and saying directly, 'hey, i don't either suck'.

      They couldn't come up with something a little more clever and fun?

      It's like they're trying to capitalize and leverage all the people that feel personally wounded from the Mac/PC ads, trying to rally them all. Still no class. Although Longoria is 'teh new hotness'!

  2. Guy with a beard? by Temtongkek · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sold.

    1. Re:Guy with a beard? by eln · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't be. It's obviously false advertising. Guys with beards are old-school UNIX hackers, not Windows users. They could also be circa-1983 stock brokers.

  3. Why is this tagged entertainment? by Datamonstar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ads can at times be entertaining, but they are definitely not intended as entertainment.

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    1. Re:Why is this tagged entertainment? by kat_skan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I dunno. As someone who's suffered Vista for a year now, I find watching Microsoft spastically flail around like this pretty amusing.

  4. Guh. by Aphoxema · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Macs are PCs.

    They're even the same damn processors now, you can run Windows on Macs and you can run OSX on, uh, not-Macs.

    The most disgusting thing is the chauvinism from BOTH sides, the other operating systems don't exist, and if you're running a PC it must be running Microsoft Something. If you're running a Mac it must be running OS X.

    False advertising is illegal, why isn't massively disseminating misinformation?

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    1. Re:Guh. by SydShamino · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because "false advertising" depends on the definition of "false". In this case, true or false depends on the definition of "PC".

      The common definition may be (lifted from Wikipedia): "A personal computer (PC) is any computer whose original sales price, size, and capabilities make it useful for individuals, and which is intended to be operated directly by an end user, with no intervening computer operator."

      But here's another definition, from Business Dictionary: "A computer designed for use by a single user. Although other Microcomputers preceded it, the IBM PC was the first to use the name specifically. As a result, the term PC now applies to an IBM-compatible computer as contrasted to the Apple Macintosh, these being the two standards that emerged from an abundance of competitors in the early 1980s."

      This definition has certainly ignored the transition of Apple to Intel processors, but it's not a long stretch to consider the definition of "PC" in some circles to strictly mean a computer in the IBM legacy chain, meaning something running DOS or a DOS derivative or successor, including Windows.

      I do find it disingenuous, though, that neither Apple nor Microsoft distinguish between "PCs" running Windows and those running Linux, and I've never seen a definition of PC that contrasted or excluded Linux systems (since of course the have always run on IBM-legacy hardware).

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    2. Re:Guh. by Aphoxema · · Score: 2, Informative

      1: excessive or blind patriotism
      2: undue partiality or attachment to a group or place to which one belongs or has belonged
      3: an attitude of superiority toward members of the opposite sex ; also : behavior expressive of such an attitude

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      "Most people, I think, don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?"
    3. Re:Guh. by Locklin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Windows users can have their "PC," I'll just call my Linux boxes a workstation, a set-top-box, a home server, etc. "PC" just sounds so bland anyway.

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      "Knowledge is the only instrument of production that is not subject to diminishing returns" -Journal of Political Econom
  5. Deepak Chopra? by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 5, Funny

    If that quack uses Windows then I'm going to hug my Linux box when I get home.

  6. I liked it. by bigtallmofo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I saw the ad yesterday - they played the ad in my area during My Name is Earl on NBC.

    Seems to say that while Apple is hyping their coolness, we're still getting a lot of things done for a lot of real people.

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    1. Re:I liked it. by greg_barton · · Score: 4, Funny

      Seems to say that while Apple is hyping their coolness, we're still getting a lot of things done for a lot of real people.

      Wait, don't you mean "they're still getting a lot of things done..."?

      It's a Freudian Astroturf!

  7. Unedited version: I'm a PC... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...but I run Linux.

  8. The hidden meaning by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The new ad is saying that PC users are a diverse cross-section of humanity, while Mac-users are stuck-up racist white people. Of course, they are.

  9. Lie! by rlauzon · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's a lie! The guy with the beard has to be running Linux.

    1. Re:Lie! by psxman · · Score: 2, Funny

      You've got your correlation and causation backwards. Having a beard doesn't make you run Linux; running Linux makes you get a beard.

  10. Apple counters by philspear · · Score: 2, Funny

    Prediction: Apple, in what is becoming a war of "Who can make the most annoying ad" hires carrottop to do their next series.

    Microsoft responds with bill gates simply walking on camera, then making "the most annoying sound in the world" for 2 minutes straight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cVlTeIATBs)

  11. No, I'm sorry, can't accept that by ciaohound · · Score: 2, Funny

    and a guy with a beard.

    Okay, you had me up until that point, but this campaign is as doomed as the previous. We all know which operating system guys with beards use.

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    1. Re:No, I'm sorry, can't accept that by Anonymous+Monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      OS/2?

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    2. Re:No, I'm sorry, can't accept that by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Funny

      Emacs?

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    3. Re:No, I'm sorry, can't accept that by AioKits · · Score: 3, Funny

      and a guy with a beard.

      Okay, you had me up until that point, but this campaign is as doomed as the previous. We all know which operating system guys with beards use.

      Beard OS?

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  13. "Hi, I'm a PC, and I run Linux" by TropicalCoder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "David Webster, Microsoft general manager of brand and marketing strategy, says Microsoft had "to take back the PC brand and tell the truth about it." referring to Microsoft's latest ad that hits back at the Apple commercials. Like -- they own the PC brand now? OK -- We can admire someone who stands up for himself succinctly when picked on. Apple will never be able to use the "I'm a PC" line again now. However, in this ad Microsoft tries to appropriate the commons with a sinister attempt to hijack the PC. They want to confuse general public into thinking -- if it doesn't have Windows, it's not a PC. Is there an appropriate way to inform the public that the PC is an open platform that can run many other operating systems?

    1. Re:"Hi, I'm a PC, and I run Linux" by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'd love to see a Mac vs PC ad where PC gets attacked by an angry stuffed penguin and after a flash he gets up with completely new clothes saying:

      PC: Hey... that was... refreshing... I feel.... different!
      Mac: PC, watch out, there's a virus!
      PC: The power of GNU compells you! *hits virus*. I feel Powerful... I feel invincible... I feel... FREE!!!
      Mac: Want a performance race?
      PC: You betcha!
      *Mac and PC begin sprinting*

      Female voice: "Linux. Just like a Mac, but Free".

    2. Re:"Hi, I'm a PC, and I run Linux" by RocketRabbit · · Score: 2, Informative

      I wouldn't say that Linux is "just like" the Mac. From 1994 until 2000 I used Linux to a greater or lesser degree. I also occasionally used BeOS and always had a Windows partition around for gaming. In 2000 I switched to using FreeBSD and that was an upgrade in my opinion. In 2002 I got a Powerbook G4 and never looked back. Until this year, when I got the Mac Pro (finally replacing the Powerbook after 6 years!) I didn't use anything else, except a bit of gaming on the Windows Media Center my wife won at the state fair. I recently installed Ubuntu in Parallels, and noticed that it's decent, but X.org still has some serious shortcomings.

      Color profiles still are not implemented in any meaningful way for starters, which for me is huge. Audio is nowhere near Apple's standards. I use Audio Units Lab quite frequently, and there is no real analog on Linux that I can get worked out straight. Quartz composer also has no rival on Linux. These are just fairly basic features that you get free with the OS. The argument that programming for the Mac is easier than anything else out there except maybe Smalltalk could be brought up. Additionally, I have plugged in a whole bunch of peripherals from heaven knows where, and they have all worked with no drivers or configuration needed.

      I really still miss the /proc filesystem, though there are some similar features with the Mac. Also Apple for some reason neglected to take the jail facility from FreeBSD which blows my mind. OS X is not perfect, but Linux still has a long way to go and will never be "just like" OS X.

  14. Should they have said "I use a PC"? by mveloso · · Score: 3, Interesting

    People are not Personal Computers. People use personal computers.

    Have these people subsumed into the MS-Borg, and they really are now PCs?

  15. for the love of god by nimbius · · Score: 3, Funny

    just buy vista. it doesnt matter if you use it or not. i cant stand anymore of this "im a..." bullshit. Someone at least tag this with a "pleasestop"??

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  16. Mac vs. PC parody by dlsmith · · Score: 5, Funny

    Given that Microsoft is parodying the Mac vs. PC ads, this is on topic, right?

    Best Mac vs. PC parody ever.

    Computers suck.

  17. Ad Video by The+Moof · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Ad Video by iknowcss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This commercial is a MUCH better response to Apple's ads. It's professional and doesn't leave you sitting there thinking "what the FUCK is going on here?"

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  18. This is consistent. by greenguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Back in the day, before the rise of Linux, I remember reading analysts who said that the entire history of the retail computer industry consisted of everyone imitating Apple. Windows 95 was the biggest example, but there have been others. This is one.

    Oh, I should be clear -- the reason they don't catch more flak for this imitation is that they don't do all that good a job at it. I haven't seen the ad yet, but I suspect this is also consistent.

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  19. Microsoft, Live without Walls by Lord+Byron+II · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Considering the years it took them to implement a rudimentary firewall into Windows, I'm surprised that they're going with the "Live without Walls" slogan.

    But, putting that aside, these ads are much, much better than the Seinfeld ones.

  20. Microsoft just don't get it by pubjames · · Score: 5, Funny

    I find it amazing the extent that Microsoft is screwing up at the moment.

    Hey Apple marketing guys, Microsoft is doing your work for you!

    This one is for free:

    Justin Long: I'm a Mac.

    John Hodgman and large crowd, together: And I'm a PC.

    Justin Long [sincerely]: Hey guys, nice to meet you! There's so many of you! And you look like cool guys!

    [John Hodgman looks smug]

    Justin Long: I'd really like to hang out with you guys. [face lights up with idea]. Hey, would you like so see some of the new products we're working on?

    [Lots of enthusiastic noise and nots - everyone follows Justin as he exits stage right. John Hodgman desperately tries to stop people. Final sequence - John Hodgman on his own, looking sorry for himself and a bit confused.]

    1. Re:Microsoft just don't get it by pubjames · · Score: 2, Funny

      Another one:

      Justin Long: I'm a Mac.

      John Hodgman and large crowd, together: And I'm a PC.

      Justin Long [Friendly and sincerely]: Hey guys, how's it going?

      Crowd: [Friendly hellos.]

      Justin Long [sincerely]: How are you getting on with Vista?

      Crowd: [Lots of mururing and head shaking].

      Justin Long [wanting to help]: Oh. Well maybe I can help.

      John Hodgman [frantic]: No!

      [John Hodgman tries to usher everyone out as Justin Long looks on with a bemused and apologetic look]

    2. Re:Microsoft just don't get it by ceejayoz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Justin: Well, none of course!

      Safari? iTunes? iPods? iPhones?

    3. Re:Microsoft just don't get it by TimTheFoolMan · · Score: 2, Funny

      Another freebie:

      PC [Hodgman] sitting in his king chair, surrounded by windows that have no apparent walls holding them up. Mac [Long] walks up.

      Mac: What's up PC?

      PC: Enjoying life without walls. I'm still the king, and all my subjects are PCs.

      (Strangers come up behind PC, carry off some of his stuff)

      PC: Hey! These guys are stealing all my stuff! (disgustedly sitting back down) Maybe going without walls was a bad idea.

      Mac: Could be, but I have to ask. If you don't want walls, why do you have Windows?

      PC: (long pause) I banish you... again.

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  22. Weakness by Ungulate · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My father was in advertising, and he always spoke, as if it were a rule, that you NEVER respond to criticism in an advertisement, only assert your strengths. The fact that Microsoft feels cornered like this speaks volumes. While they're still the 800lb gorilla, they perceive Apple as a real threat now.

    1. Re:Weakness by whisper_jeff · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What's worse is that, not only do they perceive Apple as a threat (because, you're right - simply the fact that they are focusing advertising efforts to counter the Apple ads shows they are concerned), but they can't even manage to do it in an original way. They are basically ripping off Apple's marketing campaign in an effort to weaken said campaign. But, hey, if you can't be original, it's always a good idea to copy those who are.

      Seriously speaking, Microsoft's marketing firm needs to be fired. Actually, as a Mac guy, scratch that suggestion. Keep up the great work guys!

    2. Re:Weakness by tenton · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's generally okay for the smaller company to mention the bigger company in their ads; everyone knows the bigger company. The goal there is to say "we're better than ". People already have the point of reference.

      Now, when you're the 800lb gorilla, you do not generally want to mention the little guy; you've just given them credibility.

      Now when the companies are neck and neck (neither really dominating the other marketshare wise), that's also a different story (there's no real rule* there).

  23. I am just waiting for ... by slashdotlurker · · Score: 2, Funny

    The announcement that Mac ads involving "I am a Mac, I am a PC" infringe Microsoft's patent US PTO 123456789, but Apple would be welcome to sign an indemnification deal that allows Microsoft to sell coupons to TV watchers to watch Mac ads.

  24. I really liked the Seinfeld ads... by JMZero · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They were exactly what MS needed - some humanization. They were sly. Some people here didn't seem to get or like them (well, they hated them for the most part) - but they made sense. They were the kind of ads you put out when you're winning, which, make no mistake, MS is.

    This new ad is just sad, they seem like a desperate response. The kind of commercial you do when you're losing. That's not the vibe they need.

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  25. Live Without Walls by mlwmohawk · · Score: 2, Funny

    In Windows, you don't have any practical walls, firewalls, that is.

    Just remember, with Microsoft, simply because there are no walls doesn't mean you aren't behind locked Gates.

  26. HA HA Microsoft by ITman75 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I love how you are doing the advertising for Apple now!!! Like Microsoft is really making people love them with those ads that really don't say anything about their OS.

  27. PC or MAC - they still fail by digitaldc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    After years working on Windows & OSX I have found they both fail, both have their quirks, both are imperfect.

    PCs are cheaper, Macs are prettier

    Take your pick

    People are people

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    1. Re:PC or MAC - they still fail by Tony · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Amen.

      Computers (and operating systems) still suck. They just suck in different ways.

      BTW: Where the fuck's my flying car?!? I WAS PROMISED A FLYING CAR!

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  28. Not seeing the forest for the trees by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One of the biggest comments about the "I'm a mac" ads is that they are snobby and condescending. People relate more to "PC" than to "Mac". Many people see "Mac" as an elitist. I am betting that someone at Microsoft's advertising company saw the articles about it and created this campaign. It is a positive campaign where "PC" is made in to the everyman, someone just like the viewer.

    Everyone who is thinking this is "also-ran" or "johnny come lately" is missing the forest for the trees. This campaign is a very good idea and uses the negative perception of the "I'm a mac" ads against Apple.

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  29. You = dork. by bigtallmofo · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's a Freudian Astroturf!

    2 days ago, I was posting how I thought Vista sucks (see here. Then I was accused of having a religious stance against Microsoft - which I thought was ironic considering I don't own a Mac, haven't owned a Linux system for about 12 years (Slackware 3.1 was the last distribution I used if I remember correctly) and work all day every day on Microsoft products.

    So now I say I like Microsoft's commercial and now I'm astro-turfing for Microsoft.

    Gotta love the Slashdot crowd.

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  30. Sounds about right for MS, but.. by necro2607 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wow. Deepak Chopra and Eva Longoria? Sounds about right for a Microsoft ad. Just the right amount of famous-ness to seem cool to your average "lowest-common-denominator" audience, but mediocre enough for probably anyone here on /. to be like "Uh, wow, so they just grabbed whatever recognizable figure they could get?" ...

    Maybe I'm biased, but I mean, when Apple used the likeness of significant figures in the past for their "Think Different" campaign, they had photos of like, Gandhi, John Lennon & Yoko Ono, Picasso, etc.. Not that Apple could get those people as actors in their commercials (so it's not the most fair comparison), but my general feeling about these new ads is that they're just throwing together some ads with some famous people to get peoples' attention. Whereas, well, people today still remember the "Think Different" thing from Apple. Microsoft is wasting their time if they're going to try to play Apple's game, in my opinion..

  31. You miss the point by Tau+Neutrino · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the Apple ads, the actors portrayed the computers, not their users. It wasn't saying that PC users are overweight, balding old farts in suits, but that PC's themselves are that boring.

    I use a Mac (as well as a Windows box), but I would no sooner say, "I'm a Mac" than I would, "I'm a Pepper."

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    1. Re:You miss the point by notaprguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Give me a break. It's clearly a personification of the PC and the people that use them. There's nothing inherently evil about what Apple is doing - it plays into their brand which has a certain amount of exclusivity. What's different about Microsoft's ads is that they don't make any direct slam on Mac users. They're just showing that there are millions of PC users from all walks of life and certainly different than the Hodgeman character. It's a pretty good campaign in my mind. Very empowering and positive and true to what PC's are about.

    2. Re:You miss the point by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 4, Funny

      What MS really needs to do to kick Apple's ass is to show a side by side comparison of Vista and OSX to show people how different they are and why Vista is so much better.

    3. Re:You miss the point by BlueStraggler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Apple ads are not saying PCs are boring. That's insecure geek talk. PC is actually quite likeable. But he is hapless. He's going to fail. He's Wile E. Coyote, to Mac's Road Runner. Everybody likes Wile E. Coyote (who is anything but boring), even though you know he's gonna end up crushed or burned or worse.

      That's why the ads are pure genius. People like, identify with, and root for PC guy. But they know that he's gonna lose to Mac, and the comedy is in how bad it's gonna be, and how annoyed PC guy is going to be with smug Mac guy. He's a classic anti-hero, you empathize with him, but you know it's not going to end well for him. Everyone who thinks the ads got it wrong because they don't like Mac guy has missed the point. Or rather they got the point, but didn't understand Apple's real objective, which is appealing to PC users, not preaching to the choir.

  32. I AM SUPERMAN? by argent · · Score: 2, Funny

    These are as annoying as those stupid "I AM" ads that Lotus used to run. Remember them? They had guys holding up "I AM" signs like this to try and convince you that Lotus R5 was the bridge everyone else was jumping off.

    Who the hell actually liked Lotus R5? Anyone? Anyone?

    Who in the hell actually likes Windows? I mean, enough to identify themselves with it?

    "Hi I'm a PC, and I'm really defensive about it..."

  33. Dunno. I think the opposite. by DrYak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Disclaimer: I'm a heavy Linux user. I tend to just viscerally hate MS' OSes.

    The purpose of John Hodgman was not to "stereotype" PC users. The purpose was to provide a boring image of PCs themselves through the comedy of John Hodgman. The idea was that the more artistic nature of Macs should appeal to users of all walks of life.

    Well, that was their intent. But in the end, I find John's carrecter more likeable. All mis-adventure that happens to him are funny, but in the end he tends to generate empathy. He looks like a caracter who is generally unlucky. He's not peculiarly snug. He ends up being likeable, partly because he comes as the underdog.
    On the other side there's the "mac" character which too much radiate a "I'm so cool, I'm so hip !" style which makes him unnerving. After the few first couple of ads, I mostly only want to punch him in the face.

    I think by having a comedy actor impersonate the PC in a humorous way backfired at least with some viewers like me. They should have gone with a pompous condescending bastard kind of character.

    Microsoft obviously didn't get that. Mark my words: These ads will preach to the choir (the people who already hate the Mac commercials) but will do nothing to asuage those commericals.

    Well on the other hand :
    They aren't as awful as the previous ads. The Bill Gates series mentioned yesterday were the dumbest thing I've ever seen (what the hell are they trying to say ? seems just random snips taken out of some brainless trash-tv reality show)
    The "Wow series" wasn't any brilliant either. In fact, it almost backfired : trying to present Vista as latest "world wonder" just sounds arrogant, and with all these stupid people staying O-faced in front of their machine it just begs that someone edits the video and puts a system explosion (a _litteral_ explosion) as a metaphor for this crappy software. Oh so exploitable.

    Or maybe I'm just allergic to any ad that make outrageous claims that their product is the coolest.

    This latest ads, are kind of cute. They don't try to pretend microsoft's product are the panacea. Just metaphorically show that its simply something everybody ends up using.
    (For the ad. For the reality of computing platforms I find this is bullshit. Anyway the currently most pervasive platform are ARM chips running embed OS - among which Linux happens to gain market share - "I'm a ARM running Symbian or Linux and I'm even in your phone, your TV and your washing machine" even if unpractically too long would have been way much more realistic and the only really relevant platform for the following couple years. But's my technical opinion. The ads look nice per se).

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  34. Poor, lovable, nerdy PC by Sockatume · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The point's been made before, but the Mac vs. PC ads, especially the UK ones (Mitchell and Webb was not good casting) make PC look like some lovable nerd who's just trying to get by (Crashy Time Calmomile) in spite of his problems, something mildy-but-not-terminally frustrated PC users can relate to. Mac spends literally all of his ad time either highlighting PC's flaws or saying how great he is. The PC is the everyman, while Mac is this rather aloof thing which sounds great but won't shut up about how great it is. That PC gets to set up all the humour and Mac is the straight man just reinforces it. I'm not sure that MS really want to fight that pair of stereotypes too strongly. If they emphasise that PCs are these boxes used by all these amazingly varied special people, they may wind up telling people that Mac is for the everyman, which is exactly what Apple seems to have failed at on their desktop line.

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  35. Remember the audience by tyrantking31 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As a slashdot reader, I do not believe that I am the intended target of these ads. Therefore I'm not going to pass judgment so much as critque them. For starters I laughed at the first few "I'm a Mac" commercials and have yet to laugh at any of the PC commercials. I have to question the wisdom of using celebrities. The minute i see a spice girl in your commercial, I instantly wonder how much she's being paid and that starts me wondering how much all the other people in your commercial are being paid. This highlights an important distinction between the Apple and Microsoft commercials. Apple's commercials are about their products. The supposed superiority of Apple's products are emphasized in a humorous way. The Microsoft commercials are about who Microsoft can pay to say how good their products are. Microsoft never addresses the issues raised in Apple's commercials.

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  36. You = (person - humor) by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Funny

    Title says it all.

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  37. Apple Ads=Change Good; MS=Affirmation of Choice by Webcommando · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I always took Apple adds as trying to give the view of the change is good. The "switcher" adds and the "I'm a Mac" seemed, to me at least, to drive the message there's something better. The grass is greener in Mac pastures.

    The new MS adds seem to be driving affirmation of your current choice or what you have. In other words, it is OK to like your PC and Windows because everyone is using it.

    Just my perspective on it all.

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  38. You = AstroBoy by greg_barton · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nice cover story there, AstroBoy! Way to go, TurfSmurf!

  39. Re:The Seinfeld ads weren't a failure. by ceejayoz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So they paid Seinfeld $10 million for two ads?

  40. I'm a PC best Quote by JoeCommodore · · Score: 2, Funny

    "I'm a PC and I turn #2* into energy!"

    I dunno, it just seems so appropriate for the Microsoft Ad.

    *#2 = shit.

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  41. Why not a Constanza ad? by ZiggyStardust1984 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    George Constanza should be the I'm a PC guy.

  42. Too bad the ad's images were made on a Mac by unassimilatible · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The vast majority of people -- and yes, creative people -- use PCs.

    Apparently they couldn't find any of those creative PC people to do the ad:

    Microsoft's 'I'm a PC' ad images made on Macs.

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  43. Re:For balance, I'll write one for MS. by kanweg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't think that would be understood very well. When I started my company 4 years ago, I made it all Mac, having experienced the inefficiency of my previous employer's PC-based business first hand.

    I'm not married to Apple. I'll switch to Linux if need be, but it would take more than a $300 M ad campaign to make me consider a switch to Windows.

    Bert

  44. You must be joking by jamrock · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I thought it was *devastating* to Apple. Primarily because it's true. The vast majority of people -- and yes, creative people -- use PCs.

    You're kidding, right? I find it unbelievable that Microsoft were so stupid as to feel compelled to acknowledge the existence of a series of ads by a rival. The Apple ads have proven to be very popular, and Microsoft has only called attention to them again, and worst of all, in a "Me Too!" fashion, merely reinforcing the popular perception that Redmond doesn't have an original idea all their own. It says something about how insecure Microsoft feels about their own brand, that they're reduced to playing defense. And make no mistake, when a company their size starts playing defense, it's sending the message to the public that they believe that they're being hurt by their rival.

    The Mac ads have always been arrogant and condescending, and this is a major "up yours" to Apple.

    This is something that's always baffled me: in what way are the Apple ads "arrogant and condescending"? I've even heard Justin Long's "Mac" characterized as such, yet in all the commercials, he's nothing but friendly and considerate. This has always sounded like sour-grapes to me; everyone I've spoken with about the ads (almost all of them XP users) find them amusing, and have said that they like both characters. When asked specifically about the tone of the ads, no one has mentioned any negative message; when asked in particular if they found the ads or the Mac character arrogant or condescending in any way, or if there was any undertone of meanness, they all said no. In fact, many of them told me that the ads portrayed their experiences with Windows PC's fairly accurately.

    And the tagline is absolutely perfect: "Life Without Walls". That's a direct hit on the most obnoxious characteristic of the Apple world -- the lock-in.

    As opposed to the sweetness and light of Microsoft? Now you're sounded like an angry Windows fanboy.

  45. I'm a PC AND a Linux by JagsLive · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm a PC and a Linux. The Ad is excellent and its refreshing to see that Microsoft doesn't need to rely on negativity to sell its product. Keep 'em coming Microsoft.