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"BlueTrack" Mouse More Advanced Than Laser, Optical
ThinSkin writes "Just when you thought laser and optical mice were enjoying their reign on mousepads worldwide, Microsoft has to come along and introduces their 'BlueTrack Technology,' a mouse tracking system that aims to work on virtually any terrain short of mirrored and reflective surfaces. ExtremeTech reviews the Explorer Mouse and Explorer Mini Mouse, both of which are powered by Microsoft's newest sensor, to see just how well this technology works. Testing on granite, carpet, marble, and other surfaces, the reviewers were impressed with the responsiveness of BlueTrack, but they also noted that laser mice were competitive on these surfaces as well. Even though the mice didn't get a recommendation from the reviewers (price being a major concern), they did admit that this BlueTrack is the best tracking system available today. MaximumPC has some pictures and a brief technical interview."
Because we all use carpet padded desktops.
...and be done with it.
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I expected at least a Seinfeld quote somewhere.
I'll stick with my MX Revolution. I've yet to find a mouse with the same number of buttons arranged in an equally usable manner. And yes, I DO use all of them.
From the article:
The Explorer Mouse uses a proprietary, Microsoft-designed complementary metal-oxide-semiconductor (CMOS) chip with advanced algorithms and pixel architecture for more precise tracking.
Get it through your heads, fellows: Proprietary is not an advantage. Patented is not an advantage. Don't go crowing about it! Proprietary is what brought us Windows. Are we supposed to be impressed and go "ooh, more of that"?
From the article:
We got some hands-on time with this handsome wireless mouse and were impressed by its tracking accuracy, stylish design, and mesmerizing blue glow.
Yeah, because we haven't got enough glowing gadgets. I'm not sure who considers "mesmerizing" as a positive aspect of consumer electronics. End the madness, people! Or are you too hypnotized by blue LEDs to move?
... and then they built the supercollider.
I thought any posting about Microsoft had to be hate-filled and fear-mongered at /.
Aren't you going to get in trouble for posting that Microsoft actually did something right?
I was very convinced that optical sensors was LESS picky than laser ones. Everyone I know have had issues with laser ones (ok, I may not have heard any complaints on the Logitech G5 but..)
Haven't read the article though, just woke up. (My mouse is an optical Razer DeathAdder and works good as long as there are no huge contrasts on the material or on my white melamine (?) desk or white paper. Brown table, piece of unbleached paper box, pants, all good.)
The linked review is one of those pages there the article uses at most 15% of the space but still had to be split amount 6 pages or so.
This is just another optical type of mouse. What we really need is an ACTUAL mouse that has been genetically modified with a USB cable for a tail that can transmit the information issued to its brain by the aggregate information provided by its belly hair as you push it across any surface. More advanced versions will do the same using mental telepathy to another mouse head that was severed and merged with a USB dongle.
Testing on granite, carpet, marble, and other surfaces, the reviewers were impressed with the responsiveness of BlueTrack, but they also noted that laser mice were competitive on these surfaces as well. Even though the mice didn't get a recommendation from the reviewers (price being a major concern), they did admit that this BlueTrack is the best tracking system available today.
I wonder if they realize that this is flat out saying "yeah its nice tech, but no one really noticed much of a difference and isnt worth the price". Slashvertisements are getting a little weird these days.
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There's apparently a problem with the ever-increasing popularity of granite and marble computer desks, complete with optional shag carpet mousepads.
Mice are odd beasts. Seems you find one you get REALLY comfortable with, and stick with it forever. I've still got one of my favorites that the primary click button I have to find the sweet spot and mash down on it hard to get it to work, but the damn button arrangement and tracking is just so comfortable...Very few have really made THAT much of an impact to get me to switch long-term. Hate to say it, but Microsoft does manage to do some things right. Logitech has some nice hardware too.
Pass.
Uhm...
So you want to spend $120 a year on crap vs. $100 for something good?
Now that makes a whole lot of sense..
Actually three weeks sounds pretty amazing for a wireless mouse, unless that is three weeks with very little use. A three week charge would be nice. I can only go a few days between charging mine.
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you'd rather spend $120/yr than $100/yr and get a lower quality product? And people wonder why the economy is in trouble.
I love my sig.
I use a trackball, it works well on any surface at all - sand, carpet, wood, jello, etc.
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I use my trackball (Logitech TrackMan Wheel) almost exclusively for everything except playing FPS games.
It just fricking rocks. After fiddling around with sensitivity and getting used to in (one or two days) it's the best mouse I ever had.
Never again will I run out of space or need to lift my hand and reposition the mouse.
Of course people who use mice to draw stuff will be somewhat crippled by it, as I have a little more difficulty when using it in order to doodle something quick in paint, but what self-respecting artist uses a mouse as their main drawing interface?
Anyone actually read the review?
I'm curious on how much better it really is.
e.g. latency, maximum tracking speed (many optical mice lose track if you move them really quick - and that sucks for many games).
As for not being able to work on reflective surfaces, there are already cheaper "laser" mice that work on reflective surfaces.
Maybe I should read the review - but I hate reviews that are split across tons of pages and turn out to be useless (e.g. PR/Ad company crap).
While this new technology may be great for mouse users, I'm not up in arms with joy. Would there be a gain for trackballs? I'm using the Logitech Marble Mouse(*), and as far as I can tell, the optics goes on between the ball itself and a camera below the ball; as a producer, you control the surface completely. Would there be anything gained by tolerating more diverse surfaces if you're never going to use them?
(*) I can recommend everyone to go out and buy one, it's great. You can put more clutter near your 'puter since you don't need the surface to move the ball around, and it feels nice in your hands. It comes with scroll buttons instead of a wheel; if you use one as the EmulateWheel button (man ${xorg mouse driver}), you can use the ball as a vertical and horizontal scroll wheel. Horizontal scroll wheels is one of these things you don't know you want until you try it [so go out and try it].
Being a fan of blue LEDs since they were invented, I wonder what would happen if one switched out the red one in a typical mouse, and how much modification it would take for it to work.
For the record, I like my old Logitech wireless. I discovered the charger in the base was slowly destroying the NiMH cells, so I run it without the cover and charge them with a Maha smart charger on my desk. It's just as well: it was hard to make positive contact with the base.
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Actually three weeks sounds pretty amazing for a wireless mouse
I get much more than that with a wireless Intellimouse. ~70-90 days, maybe, before it yells. And the Logitech trackball is almost as good.
And then, just swap in another pair of rechargeable AA's.
Until my cat chewed the USB cable, I had a Microsoft wireless mouse that would go months between battery changes, and I used it at least a couple hours a day. Everyone else I know with wireless mice said that they were always replacing batteries. What gives? The one I had (actually I still have it and would like to fix it, just haven't gotten around to trying) was an optical LED-based mouse. I think I'd replace batteries in it two or three times a year.
I'm still waiting for the first GSM triangulation mouse, which will eventually be succeeded by the first GPS mouse.
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Oh I don't know. I haven't needed a nightlight since I got into consumer electronics.
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My six (?) year old Microsoft Optical Intellimouse is still working fine, even though I've covered it in paint splashes and it's gone a rather nasty yellow colour.
$100 for a mouse? Screw that.
I can also say that I've always enjoyed Microsoft's mice, especially their Intellimouse Explorer, and will probably continue to do so.
And this sounds like a nice step forward. But $100? I could get a secondary monitor for that price. Or enough ram to max out my 32-bit system. Or a new hard drive so I can raid my system. The list goes on. Also, I'd prefer to be rid of my mouse at this point. Unfortunately, hitting those slashdot preview/submit buttons is a pain in the ass without a mouse.
Leave it to Microsoft to not consider the 7% of the population that is left handed.
"They're probably lefty commie Mac users anyway"
... before the touch screens become the default pointing device!
Also, is there much point in having a mouse that offers better precision than my hand can deliver? For those who need precision, wouldn't a stylus be a better choice?
They may as well put together a VCR that can record in High Def with Digital Surround Sound.
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Short of mirrored and reflective surfaces? That's very interesting, considering I use a mirror as my 'mousepad' for my optical mouse and it's the best mousepad I've ever used.
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My six (?) year old Microsoft Optical Intellimouse is still working fine, even though I've covered it in paint splashes and it's gone a rather nasty yellow colour.
I'm still using my Logitech Mouseman mechanical model as my main mouse, despite its 9th birthday being imminent, the plastic having gone a bit yellow and the logo rubbed off the top (and there being a gap from when I took it apart and couldn't quite snap it together again). I can't recall ever having to have made any serious repairs/fixes beyond cleaning.
'Course, I appreciate that there are probably many older mice in regular use...
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"they did admit that this BlueTrack is the best tracking system available today."
I take it the reviewers never used a Wacom Tablet. Granted it does not run on any surface... But it is wireless, never needs batteries, is more accurate than any mouse out there (Yes even gaming mice), And comes with a pet for graphic work as well.
I remember when optical mice first came out, they were actually worse in a sense than the old ball/roller based mice. For gaming if you would move the mouse quickly from side to side, your pointer would lose track sometimes and typically would go lower and lower instead of panning across the middle.
Long fixed with optical mice, but I've had for a few years a fairly nice logitech that needs replacing.
Is it still pretty much necessary for gaming to get a high end mouse? I believe when they made dual optical it solved the tracking issues, do not all mice by now have dual tracking?
I'm not so concerned about some insane dpi, I just don't want the pointer drifting if it's used quickly. When I look at reviews, it's usually for highend mice; it's hard to find out info on current run of the mill mice.
Well I am by no means a Microsoft fan, and vastly prefer a thumb trackball over a mouse. But for once, MS has actually come up with something new and innovative that truly is new and innovate. I at least have not seen any tracking system like this before. It's not a huge improvement over current laser mice, that is true, but it is a definite improvement. Better DPI will come with time I am sure, as will lefty/ambi mice.
So give credit where it is due.
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Really? I think the last time I changed my cheap Logitech wireless mouse's battery was 2 months ago.
This continual failure of mouse makers to address mousing on mirrors annoys me. Hey, mouse makers, here's how you can address this.
Originally, your mice were based on a rolling ball. The mouse felt the ball rolling, and figured out the movement. In human sense terms, your mice were based on touch.
The current mice are based on sight. They look at the surface under the mouse and see the relative movement.
The sense you should be looking at is smell.
In the center of the bottom of the mouse, there should be an emitter that leaves a chemical trail on the mousing surface. The rest of the bottom of the mouse should be covered with odor sensors that can sense when they are near the chemical. By laying a pattern of odors, and sensing them as they move under the mouse's "noses", the mouse can determine position.
Think ants and the chemical trails they leave to find their way around.
Not only would this address the mirror problem, you could also use this technology to address a serious workplace health issue. You could make it so the tracking chemical has antibacterial properties. This would help keep shared computers sanitary during cold season, reducing sick days and boosting overall productivity.
When I went from PC to Mac, I bought a decent USB wireless mouse and it worked fine for a long time. Then I tried to use their "Mac" Bluetooth mouse: doesn't work worth **** with Macs, Best Buy said they get lots of returns on those. So I tried an Apple BT Mega-Mouse, was not impressed with that. Finally found one that was BT, had a decent feel, and good right click support, so I'm content.
But I am definitely troubled by this right-handedness. I can mouse with my right hand, but it's uncomfortable and I'll only do it if I'm briefly using someone else's PC. I don't mind if they do a mouse for righties, but they're ticking off lefties by cutting back on their ambi mice.
When you sympathize with stupidity, you start thinking like an idiot.
Sorry for being off topic, but all I want from the pointing device business is to put some innovation into trackballs.
I use a Logitech Trackman wheel (left thumb operated optically read (red dotted) ball.
The device is great when new, then degrades when the rollers and the ball surface loses its "shine".
As for the original topic: a laser mouse works fine for me when I use one on most surfaces except glass. Plastics are the best as they are low friction, while glass "sticks".... I have an older explorer mouse and a mighty mouse .... but then again I haven't used a mouse since I stopped playing on the PC ..... (that is also when I stopped using a PC, and even when I turn it on I use it over synergy with a trackball) ....
I do not even care about the degradation as the life span is comfortable 5+ years (I had button problems on one I got in 2002).
All the damn thing needs is :
1. Scroll ball (as in mighty mouse from apple). Maybe just a side scroller (tilting wheel would do it)
2. 4-5 extra buttons.
When that is done I start whining for a keyboard like the apple aluminium which is possible to "split" for ergonomic setting :)
I've preferred a wonderful pointing device that works on any surface, or even no surface at all, for a long time. It's called a trackball.
Unless they bring back their Trackball Explorer (hands down the BEST trackball ever produced) I'm uninterested. :P
Buy a better mouse. The two alkaline AAs in this LX8 have lasted a couple of months of heavy use so far and, if Logitech are to be believed, can go for as long as 8 months. I've not turned it or the computer it's attached to off in that time. When the alkalines die they'll be replaced by low-self-discharge NiMH batteries (eg. Sanyo Eneloop) and I expect to go months between charging them.
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Indeed. Creating an optical mouse using a blue LED instead of a red one, and then having the marketing department come up with a fancy name like BlueTrack really is the pinnacle of American innovation.
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From TFA "The physics is similar to that of the âoeblue lightâ used in crime-scene TV shows to examine surfaces for police investigations."
While that's not what I am going to try, does it work over semen?
try it with Mojave!
I suspect this is a clever attempt to offload tens of millions of excess HD-DVD components by sticking them in a mouse and calling it new technology
I pass on two reasons. #1, I'm left handed, two, the receiver is the size of a normal flash drive! I use a Logitech nano, because you can leave the fricking receiver in the laptop all the time without having fear of snapping it off.
Pinnacle!? You aint seen nothing yet. They have the next 5 years of releases planned, starting with a UV-LED mouse.
In 2011 we will see the "Ultra-Trak Quattro" - five ultraviolet lasers, three gyroscopes, a GPS, and a spring-loaded lubricating strip.
you'd rather spend $120/yr than $100/yr and get a lower quality product? And people wonder why the economy is in trouble.
Isn't the economy helped by people spending more money?
That is - why do you think spending $100 is better for the economy than spending $120?
Oooh, didn't know they were in such high demand! I have two myself, was using both up (home+work) until when I sampled the G5 -- and promptly bought another one. Now the Explorer is perfect for the laptop next to my main computer, and I guess the 2nd unit will be a good backup.
Up until the G5, I never saw a mouse that could outperform trackballs for combating RSI.
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Another +1 Buy a better mouse. I've got a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 optical and it last months without replacing the batteries. Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure I replace the batteries in the "Wireless Desktop Elite" keyboard more often than I replace the batteries in the mouse. 3 weeks is appalling, assuming that's for normal usage (a few hours a day).
Bluetooth. BluRay. BlueTrack. I think my brain just blue up :-(
my mouse has no lasers or wireless.. you insensitive clods!!
Occasionally I do tape a laser pointer to the mouse just so I can say "Mice! With Laaaaseeer beams!".
It amuses me and annoys the kid. Heh.
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Just when you thought laser and optical mice were enjoying their reign on mousepads worldwide...
Whatever I might have been thinking about, I assure you it wasn't that.
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
I found out that it didn't use Bluetooth. I don't want crap sticking out the side of my laptop. It's too easy to break off. Honestly, I'd buy one if it had Bluetooth in a hot second because when I use my laptop, I may be sitting in a comfy chair and want to use the armrest as a mousepad.
I have the MS Wireless Intellimouse Explorer 2.0 and use rechargeable Energizer 2500mAh NiMH and they last me 3-5 months of 8-12 hour a day usage.
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This would be an ultimate mouse.
It's still not bad...
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