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Chinese Automaker Unveils First Electric Car
JuliusSu writes "A Chinese auto manufacturer, BYD, is introducing today the country's first electric car, a plug-in hybrid vehicle. It plans to sell at least 10,000 cars in 2009 for a price of less than $22,000. This put the company ahead of schedule against other entrants to this market, such as Toyota, due to release a similar car in late 2009; and GM, whose Chevy Volt will be launched in late 2010. The company is best known for making cellphone batteries, and hopes its expertise in ferrous battery technology will allow it to leapfrog established car manufacturers."
This should be good, lol.
You are all a bunch of idots.
Vaporware. Woo Hoo Hoo.
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Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
Is this article red because its about the Chinese?
This is a little OT but I figure someone here might know. With so many electric cars finally coming to market I thought it would be smart to plan ahead even if I'm not ready to take the leap yet...
So, I'm in the process of a remodel and have an easy opportunity to install a high-amperage electric circuit to some location in the garage. Is there any emerging standard for charging electric cars that would dictate the ideal location to put the outlet? I.e. in front of the car, driver side, passenger side, what height from ground, etc. Also amperage, type of plug etc would be good to anticipate, although initially I'd just have an empty conduit running there from the load center.
Detroit wasn't interested...someone had to get on with it.
GM killed electric trolley public transportation on the East Coast decades ago, pushing for city buses made by GMC that used internal combustion. The VOLT was promoted using jazzy images of impressive body lines that promoted interest, only to release a breadbox as the final design. GM doesn't want the VOLT to succeed, and now with their imminent demise, they may get their wish.
BYD will be in NA in short time, and more like them will follow. I wish them best of luck.
A hybrid or an electric? GM, Honda, and Toyota hav all produced hybrids. Tesla produces an impressive electric car. What is new here except that *this* Chinese manufacturer is producing *this* car?
If your only tool is a hammer, every problem becomes a nail.
" hopes its expertise in ferrous battery technology will allow it to leapfrog established car manufacturers"
Okay, so if I were Goodyear then that would equate to me being able to make a better car because . . .
Oh, wait . . .
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About the only thing that is truely american is the arrogance.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
I avoid any products made in China now because I can't trust them anymore. How much food is recalled and childrens toys? Do you want to be in an accident in one of these things and then find out that to cut costs, they used cheap air-bags?
Another reason to avoid Chinese goods (if their human rights record isn't good enough) is that their industry is ecologically harmful. Chinese industry have little incentive not to polute the environment in some of the most egregious ways.
If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
You forgot to include a car analogy.
Paying taxes to buy civilization is like paying a hooker to buy love.
If foreign auto makers are constantly fighting with their government over stricter standards or if they strive to get a leg up on the competition. I just think it seems to be an odd contrast to our big 3 who have lawsuits by the dozen to prevent states from setting stricter emission guidelines. If they would embrace what the people are asking for, perhaps they would actually be more competitive in the business. Do foreign auto makers do business the same way? I am genuinely curious.
Does this mean it's reliable?
No, it doesn't exist yet.
Is it made of Melamine like all their food?
You're planning on eating the thing? Interesting.
I avoid any products made in China now because I can't trust them anymore.
Don't eat random products made anywhere.
How much food is recalled and childrens toys?
Boy, you're really hungry, aren't you? Shouldn't eat toys.
Do you want to be in an accident in one of these things and then find out that to cut costs, they used cheap air-bags?
No, I don't want to be in an accident in anything small. I want to be in an accident in my 3/4 ton 4WD pickup.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
In Korea, only old people rehash old slashdot memes.
All you have to do is make the back wheels bigger than the front and you are always going down hill. This should improve mileage by quite a bit but be careful, if the size ratio gets too big it is almost impossible to stop.
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You mean a metal hydride powered car..
How we know is more important than what we know.
I want to be in an accident in my 3/4 ton 4WD pickup.> The train will win ... and I doubt 4WD will make a difference. I, for one, welcome the opportunity to never get in an accident.
I drove one of these but two hours later I felt hungry again and had to drive it some more.
120 characters isn't enough to explain it.
I RTFA, no images, uhmmmmm, I see. I hope that BYD can make the car to California specifications so that a down trodden masses like myself could buy one, AND drive it to work. This combined with a Solar Cell Roof could save me some large coin.
you'll see that it's the first hybrid to be produced in the PRC.
I'm Bosch and I make, among other things, spark plugs, master cylinders, alternators, etc and that should qualify me to make a complete car. BR>
Bosch is probably not the best example and they probably could make a better car, but you get the idea.
Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
A big challenge to any new player getting into the electro-auto market is dealer support. Where is someone supposed to get parts for this thing or a Tesla? Sure, an electric vehicle design should require less maintenance, but even components will need to be replaced due to accidents and road wear.
I've heard people say the auto bailout money should go to a start-up like Tesla. The problem with completely abandoning the American automakers and putting public funds behind a startup is that the big three already have huge infrastructure in place. They already understand production. Bless the hearts of those Tesla idealists, but they're going to spend a BUNCH of money developing dealerships, parts distribution, training mechanics & sales people. And until their production numbers get big, the deals they'll cut with suppliers won't be as profitable as the ones Ford/GM/Chrysler make with their suppliers thanks to the economies of scale they're working in.
I'm not saying there isn't a place for smaller companies to come in and fill a niche demand. But now isn't the time to abandon the American auto companies and watch them perish. If that happens, Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai will assist in a huge transfer of wealth overseas.
Seth
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It seems to me that this highlights the difference between an economy based on greed - "It's OK, we can continue to stifle innovation and rake in the profits", to one based on need - "We have the largest population and a fast growing economy (and associated emissions pollution), how do we meet both those challenges AND make a profit on the way?"
I want to be in an accident in my 3/4 ton 4WD pickup.
I, on the other hand, would rather avoid an accident entirely by being in a smaller car with a lower center of gravity and that has more maneuverability than a beached whale.
The US "secret trade weapon": safety and emission standards. Its coming: they learn quickly.
"California's attorney general has sued the six largest U.S. and Japanese automakers for damages related to greenhouse gas emissions.
The federal lawsuit alleged that emissions from their vehicles have harmed Californians' health, damaged the environment and cost the state millions of dollars to combat their effects. The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Oakland, names Chrysler Motors Corp., General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co., Toyota Motor North America, Honda North America and Nissan North America."
The same type of "sue, countersue" activity has been seen in Europe.
Don't know about China, India or Japan though. How safe is it to sue the governement in China nowadays anyway, if you're a Chinese Company?
"Kill 'em all and let Root sort 'em out"
I am thrilled about BYD's F3DM, I think it's the kind of car the world, especially the US needs.
That said, I think your attack on the grandparent post is slightly (not completely) unjust. Give him/her some credit: Chinese food is, undoubtedly, a health hazard. China is a huge country, with lots of people and a disproportionate amount of corruption. Very weak to non-existent consumer protection. And a LONG history of contaminated, toxic food. If you concentrate only on the melamine stories of late, you miss the much bigger picture.
So, I think the grandparent post deserves to be taken into at least some consideration. Do not eat food from China, seems like a wise guideline.
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
I have yet to see a serious, insightful post about this story. A little googling turned up pics and data although I confess that I don't know what
16 kwh / 100 KM works out to in MPG.
The pictures I saw of the car look pretty nice. Congrats to the Chinese - if this turns out to be a quality vehicle, it may force the Big Three stragglers to dump some of their guzzlers and give
us clean, efficient vehicles we can depend on
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My '05 Civic was!
When the first Japanese cars showed up in Europe in the 1970s, they were cheap but had a terrible reputation. That has changed. Today they are on the same quality level (and almost as expensive) as European cars. Toyota even ruled the reliability/breakdown statistics for years, only recently some European models have retaken the lead.
I expect that the same will happen with the Chinese cars. They may have not much experience in car making now, but 10 years from now things can look different.
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1) They are testing the battery, tuning software, preparing production lines for mass production (i.e. hundreds of thousands of cars, not 100 or 10000). It's not a fast process.
2) Smaller company won't have much capacity for large-scale projects.
Here it is more of a lobby game. As a European I'm not aware of any large lawsuits of that kind going on, but the car makers certainly try to create political pressure against stricter emission standards. And they tend to be successful in influencing their governments, who then try to change EU policy in the sense of "their" companies.
In particular, German car makers who have a of large models in their fleet try to kill the planned emission limit of 120g CO2/km.
C - the footgun of programming languages
You're right. I'd love a Tesla, but spending over $100K on a small 2-seater with limited range and no gas backup is not an option for me. Nor is it for most people. It's basically a semi hand-built car with all of the non-electric/electronic engineering done by Lotus. (It's 90% an Elise).
So yeah, they don't know shit about car engineering, let alone volume production.
Still want want though...
As for the Chinese car, good luck with the crash test.
one thing they do that is ecologically harmful is that they make ELECTRIC CARS
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Yeah, give us light weight single person vehicles now!
I would want one of these KMX trikes with electronic motor:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oK4FOv4FD1Q
Good enough for my purposes, just put a plastic wind shield / roof and some bags on it to.
Since it's winter now just the trike would be sufficient to, less risk of crashing than on a two wheeler.
What I never get is if it as in the first case just use hydrogen how would electrolysing the water and then combusting the hydrogen into water again get more energy than what was required for initial electrolysis? Why not just run on the batteries from the beginning?
In the case of mixing hydrogen with gasoline I have no idea if it may make combusting more efficient so I won't write it off as impossible but I still doubt it until I see it happening.
Well, they're the target of lifestyle environmentalists, unionbusters, as well as government-backed transplants.
If that happens, Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai will assist in a huge transfer of wealth overseas.
Never mind that it'll be the last you'll ever see of affordable performance. Cheaply built compacts or overpriced exotics will be the rule of the day should they fail.
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Regarding video three, four ounces of water and how much electricity and/or gasoline?
I can run a car 700 km on one grain of salt if it's ok that I just drop it into the filled gasoline tank ...
A kWh is a measure of energy, and a gallon (US) of regular gasoline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrol#Density) contains about 9.67 kWh of energy. 15 kWh is roughly 1.55 US gallons. 100 km is roughly 62.1 miles.
The mileage 15 kWh / 100 km is equivalent to about 64.5 miles per US gallon.
I hope I got that right.
and I don't see Toyota begging the Japanese govt. for a bailout
They already are being bailed out by our government and the Japanese government.
Bailing out GM would keep the middle option of affordable performance. Of course, you'd think that was an I-4 over a straight-six/v-8 for well under $20000(6cyl) or $30000(8cyl).
Crank out less environmentalist cars.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
All china-related posts are like this. Some people don't like the idea that their country is in decline while another is rising. Some people also don't remember their own history very well.
GM killed electric trolley public transportation on the East Coast decades ago, pushing for city buses made by GMC that used internal combustion.
Come to somewhere deep in the Rust Belt - and see trolleys.
Then wonder why they've kept them and Ohio being in lockstep with Michigan in supporting bailouts.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
At the first sight of the title I thought it was something about GNU Automake and car analogies on Slashdot.
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Anyone here ever owned a Harley-Davidson that was built by a bowling company? Lets see how a company who manufacturers cell phone parts does....I'm not saying it won't work....but for 22K I'll wait a year and get the Toyota.
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Check the history of three wheeled vehicles.
It's a case of a compromise being worse then ether option.
4 wheels give good stability, 2 wheels banks turns so with skill it handles corners and irregular surfaces fine.
3 wheels sucks. It can't bank and is much less stable in the roll axis then a four wheeled vehicle of the same width. It doesn't matter which end you put two wheels on. Tricycles suck.
There is a reason they banned 3 wheel ATVs, while leaving dirt bikes and 4 wheel ATVs alone.
'They' will ban three wheel road vehicles eventually.
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Speaking from a point of view that can see the GM world headquarters from my apartment, I'd like to think that GM has learned its lesson; I desperately do. What with the automakers shitting themselves and the local corruption of government, I'm finding it harder and harder to honestly say that I love Detroit. I don't know what American car companies can do about it anymore. With the toxic UAW and the bureaucrats blaming each other for the downfalls of their industry they are totally ignoring the fact that there are other countries vying for number one. It's shameful and it's ridiculous that we spend all our time pointing fingers instead of getting shit done. Now people are vandalizing foreign cars more then ever, keying things like "buy American" on to hoods and doors of Hondas and Toyotas. Oddly enough I take a walk though GM's showroom to find that one of their models are made of 15% American parts; the rest is made in Mexico. It has become blatantly obvious that cheap people power fuel this industry and we as American are nowhere near that willing to work for so little. I don't blame companies for outsourcing, that's capitalism and it's been our mantra for a long time. If we're finally seeing that we're digging our own graves here, we've noticed it a little too late. I just hope India and China would learn from our mistake. I think the first electric car is a decent start. And just for the hell of it: I, for one, welcome our new mandarin speaking overlords (that one was a little too close to home to be funny, wasn't it?)
The 14'th amendment was was created to be an option.
Trolley lines were steep decline before World War One.
It cost about a penny a mile to transport a family of four in a Ford. There would be room for a dog and a week's worth of groceries.
The trolley fare would be 5 cents each plus transfers. Your dry goods parcels shipped by Downtown Merchants Delivery and the dog stayed home.
The trolley line had tracks and overheads to maintain. The big city line could employ 7,000 people and still not consistently show a profit with wages of 21 cents an hour. $2.50 a day when Ford was paying workers on the line $5 a day.
The open cars of the rural lines were a joy in mid-summer. Navigating the streets of the Garment District to board a car in mid-winter not so much.
Especially, perhaps, for a woman.
So if you buy one of these, given Chinese manufacturing quality, and you get electrocuted, which of your family members does the Chinese government bill for the burial?
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Actually, both of yours are valid points.
However, 1. wasn't really the answer to my question.
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
What's wrong? Mostly that every week or so someone comes up with another article claiming cold fusion or gas made from dirty sweat socks or some such. The article seemed a bit thin to me so I did some googling and found an Edmunds article claiming the car would be out next year. But that article came out last year. See any cars around yet? Then I cam across this one that says the car won't be available around here until 2011. And then there's a Bloomberg article that claims that, "The government may subsidize hybrid cars to cut costs for consumers." So is the $22k price tag with or without the subsidy?
For comparison purposes, I've been following the saga of the Chevy Volt and I think the BYD offering falls into the too-good-to-be-true category. The best guess seems to be the Volt will cost around $35k to $40k, mostly because of the expensive lithium-ion batteries, and the all-electric range is about 40 miles. But the BYD says they're using the same batteries and selling around $22k with a 62 mile all-electric range. And while the Chinese model is allegedly "here" you and I won't get to see or touch one until at least 2011. Until I see better specs or more detailed plans I can't get excited about this.
Mind you, I think plug-in hybrids are the way to go, but cars like the Volt and Tesla never recover the extra cost of the vehicle in fuel savings. I suspect the answer is to ditch the fancy batteries and stick with cheap lead-acid packs and a limited all-electric range of about 20 miles for a basic two adult and two kid car. It still means that half the forty mile range will be all electric. The last piece of the puzzle will fall into place when parking spots (malls, office complexes, parking structures) offer recharging for a fee. How many people drive to work, then park for eight hours? Until then you're in a chicken-and-egg trade off. The rechargers won't be put in until people are buying plug-ins, but not many will buy plug-ins without the rechargers.
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Do I hear the whine of a sorry loser here?
The Chinese are not much worse than what most of us in the West have been, or in some cases still are. Based on hearsay, you judge a whole nation for what some of them do - the Chinese central government is among the most progressive when it comes to the environment, just to take one thing. And while you summarily judge the whole of China, I have a strong suspicion that you expect to get away with saying things like "Hey, I didn't vote for Bush" when people criticise the actions of your own nation. That's hypocrisy.
The simple fact is that China is fast becoming a strong contender for the leadership of the world, while America has been falling back for something like 8 years or so.
I think all the news about unsafe pet food and the local Chinese having unsafe food to eat. Makes many Americans think that Chinese Government oversight is even worse in China than it is in the USA. Tim S
Has been making electric cars since 2005.
Internet Retail spaces are wonderful. Get over it!
Nobody has even noticed that the name of the car is 'BYD.' In Asian countries this is translated as 'Bury Your Dead.'
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Have you ever seen some of the situations in China? Drainage ditches filled with shattered CRTs, people smelting PCBsby hand over open flames, electronics junkyards the size of cities?
I could care less how "progressive" a government is if they've spent the last 20 years profiting from turning their nation into a giant dump for hazardous waste.
I'm sure it's all just hearsay and hyperbole, just like when someone tries to tell me about the existance of Russia.
Check the actual video before replying ...
4 wheeled BIKE would look even lamer and probably turn worse and also have even more resistance.
What is "bank"?
Make the three-wheeler tilt when turning and it will be easier o handle centrifugal forces.
A three wheeled ATV will have the centrum of the weight much higher up from the ground and also higher compared to the wheels.
And a "safety bike" probably want to tilt much more, though wheels spinning and ones own ability to balance it out helps, but a bike which tilt on itself won't flip over at a turn either.
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Even limiting availability to large cities in China, I don't see any demand for electric cars materializing there. Even though they have been marketing towards, "cab operators, government agencies and corporate customers," this cannot sustain such a new venture.
All the salary information I can find pegs the average salary in Chinese cities and towns at close to USD$5,000. That's Yearly! Sure there is wealth, but the gap is enormous. And you will not convince the Chinese wealthy to drive some introductory electric car over their other expensive, flashy imports. Image is too important.
Their delay to launch in European and US markets until 2011 seems like a bad decision.
Sounds like the promised land for all the free market prophets ;-)
People replying to my sig annoy me. That's why I change it all the time.
from byd.com. F3e is a remarkable example of energy-saving, environment-friendly, technology-driven and trendy automotive manufacturing. Inheriting the design concepts of being Faddy, Faithworthy and Futuramic, it has taken the concept of driver-friendly into full consideration It is also equipped with an on-board charger, which is compatible with a standard electric socket (220V 10A). Thanks to BYDâ(TM)s
outstanding technology integration capacity, F3eâ(TM)s cost has been reduced to the maximum extent, laying the foundation for commercialization of F3e.
Have you ever seen some of the situations in China?
I am married to a Chinese, speak Chinese and have traveled extensively in China. So yes, I have. And you?
I could care less how "progressive" a government is if they've spent the last 20 years profiting from turning their nation into a giant dump for hazardous waste.
Not so long ago America was by far the greatest environmental sinner, yet nobody would say that it was the American government that committed those sins, despite the fact that they encouraged them by turning a blind eye. The Chinese government, by contrast, is not turning a blind eye - they are actively trying to repair the damage caused by overexploitation. But China is a huge country with far more people than the US and far less resources to push through their will than most Western countries. The many examples of environment destruction and corruption in China are caused, not by the Communist government, but by the scum the floats to the surface in the new, open-market economy. The Capitalists, in other words.
Battery powered electric cars seem like a great idea for most of the warmer climates, but here in Winnipeg it's -45 F with the windchill. The motor in my electric window struggled to work this morning even after the engine had warmed up.
What happens when EVERYTHING is powered by electricity?
Does that include losses in charging? And if not, how much is does charge loss add?
I avoid any products made in China now because I can't trust them anymore.
Stuff from China is crap. It's crap because of one of two reasons. Either we tell them to make it like crap (and I've seen that happen) or we tell them to make it well, they don't, then we accept it and sell it anyway. When there are no specifications, they will pick the cheapest way of doing it. Lead paint in the kids toys? No one told them not to. If you specify "no lead paint" and they do it anyway, then that's another issue. But that's why when you outsource production you send along some expensive American QC engineers, right?
Every problem with Chinese products I've seen, I'd blame on the American company.
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a state enforced abortion in the 18th trimester?
Wtf are you talking about? There is no fucking refill time if you make the hydrogen thru electrolysis, and there is no hydrogen fuel cell either since they will combust the hydrogen with the gasoline.
I hate all the lame gay water powered videos and sites on youtube and the Internet and all the retarded morons claiming that omg this is the shit the oil industry hides this from us and kill everyone! They should all be shot for being retarded.
I''m headed to China in about 6 months, until then you'll have to settle for me working in the electronics disposal industry, spending day in and day out trying to explain to people exactly why it's cheaper to throw all their old equipment in a shipping container and ship it overseas instead of dealing with it responsibly.
Far less resources?
I bet 2.25 Million active duty soldiers of the PLA could be really effective in stopping the importation of electronics waste. There are plenty of nations in western Africa trying to prevent the exact same situation, they've banned the import and simply lack the manpower to enforce such a ban. China can pump money into the Great Firewall and buying up fleets of old Russian subs but they can't control imports into their country if they wanted to?
I'm not clearing the U.S. of anything, all that shit comes from somewhere and we both know exactly where that is. I'm just saying, putting forth a plan to build an entirely green city strikes me more as a propaganda shot than a move to clean up the country.
normally I don't acknowledge morons like you with a response, but you are particularly interesting.
A countryâ(TM)s Gross Domestic Product (GDP) is a measure of the total flow of goods and services produced over a specified time period. What does that statement have to do with politics ?
Everyone who has ever taken even the most basic history class knows of the silk road, knows that's why the world was circumnavigated in the first place.... the orient, silk and spices, Marco Polo ??? coming back to you know.
you my friend are retarded, and in love with hearing yourself speak.
...has anyone tested 'em for lead paint yet? Melamine in the gas tanks, maybe? Now we're going to trust them to sell cars to us? Not me, dude.
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You're a cunt, do you hear me? A cunt. Go kiss up to your Chinese overlord, you pussy.
There, there, feeling better now? Yes, I hear you. Would you care to elaborate? 'Cause I don't really see why facing reality is a bad thing. Loving our own country shouldn't blind us to how things are going in the world; whether America is a great nation has little to do with its military or economic power, and everything to do with the American people.
I''m headed to China in about 6 months
Good on you - but if you are going there to "Preach the White Man's Gospel", you will be considered an obnoxious idiot, and rightly so. If you go there to learn and to hear what they have to say for themselves, you will have a good time.
I bet 2.25 Million active duty soldiers of the PLA could be really effective in stopping the importation of electronics waste.
Yeah, sure. However, just like in most other countries, soldiers are there for a military purpose, not to carry out policing, which is a part of the civilian authorities. Apart from that, I don't think it is a simple as that - there are things the WTO and the possible impact on employment and economy to consider, among other things. I have no doubt the government intends to tackle this issue; they are not idiots, and they generally seem to want to do the right thing, but you know just as well as I do, that a government can't just make changes overnight. It is never just black or white - perhaps they ought to have done more to protect the environment, that is certainly a fair criticism, as opposed to yelling "You have to everything right, or else you're useless and evil".
You are a Communist traitor and should be shot.
A traitor pretends to be a friend, but betrays you behind your back. I, on the other hand, speak my opinions openly; thus I am not a traitor. In fact, I am not even an enemy of America. Whether I am your enemy is up to you - it takes two to be friends, but you can be an enemy all on your own.
According to all of the published articles, this car doesn't meet US safty standards and the manufacturer isn't even saying that they'll try.
So guess what, these aren't going to show up in the US or EU.
Go spend some time on greencarcongress.com and read the hundreds of articles about US and EU manufacturers who are bringing PEV and HPEV cars to market.
This is not even close to revolutionary.
I said nothing about this being revolutionary. I was complimenting the Chinese manufacturer on "gittin' r dun".
The established manufacturers could and should have had cars like this on the market a decade ago.
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