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Actor Matt Smith Will Be 11th Doctor Who

Jerry Smith was among a large number of readers letting us know that the 11th Doctor Who has been named. It's Matt Smith, 26, who will be the youngest actor to play the time-traveling Doctor. The head of drama at BBC Wales said this about Smith's audition: "It was abundantly clear that he had that 'Doctor-ness' about him. You are either the Doctor or you are not."

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  1. Waiting by lostinbrave · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I heard about this earlier I am waiting out to see his performance as the doctor, before I start judging.

    1. Re:Waiting by grantek · · Score: 1

      I like how the Doctor's been getting younger and younger, but Matt is another large step again. It'll be interesting to see how the writing / style of the show changes to fit the new cast :)

    2. Re:Waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Be honest... Doctor Who has been moving towards being a lame version of Buffy the vampire slayer. This is just one more step: Doctor Who The Teenage Years (yeah he's 26... so are most "teen" US TV actors).

      Boston Legal had it right - no-one over the age of 50 is allowed on TV these days. The Doctor Who writers haven't got a fucking clue... just like every other TV hack, they assume that children will only watch other children or young adults.

    3. Re:Waiting by gustar · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe this explains why they put wrestling on SciFi.

      *shudder*

      So what are the adults supposed to watch?

    4. Re:Waiting by grantek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You've got a point, having such a young Doctor will throw a new light on the Doctor-companion dynamic - Matt's younger than Freema Agyeman (Martha), and is the same age as Billie Piper (Rose), although he will be starting the show 5 years after she did. The relationship always had a "fatherly" element that stopped it going too far and getting in the way of the show.

    5. Re:Waiting by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I like how the Doctor's been getting younger and younger

      One bit of Time Lord psychology that isn't so different from human. When he was young, he wanted to appear old and wise, now he's old, he wants to appear young for as long as possible.

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    6. Re:Waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      At this rate, the 12th Doctor will be sperm.

    7. Re:Waiting by curmudgeous · · Score: 3, Funny

      Welcome to "Gallifrey 90210"

    8. Re:Waiting by garett_spencley · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "The relationship always had a "fatherly" element that stopped it going too far and getting in the way of the show."

      Getting in the way of the show ? Have you actually bothered to LOOK at Rose ? IMO the show is getting in the way of the porn.

    9. Re:Waiting by Macrat · · Score: 1

      Getting in the way of the show ? Have you actually bothered to LOOK at Rose ? IMO the show is getting in the way of the porn.

      YES!!!

    10. Re:Waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actor and age when they started Doctor Who:

      William Hartnell - 56
      Patrick Troughton - 46
      Jon Pertwee - 51 (He will always be Worzel Gummidge to me)
      Tom Baker - 40
      Peter Davidson - 29
      Colin Baker - 40
      Sylvester McCoy - 44
      Paul McGann - 37
      Christopher Eccleston - 41
      David Tennant - 34
      Matt Smith - 27 (when he starts playing the part in 2010 not now)

      So only 2 of the Doctors were over 50 when he started. Yeah it is some ageist conspiracy alright. The BBC have cast 2 people under 40 in a row as the Doctor! OMGWTFBBQ! I think people's nostalgia tinted glasses are getting the better of them. You need to take them off and get over yourself. The doctor's age has clearly fluctuated a lot over the years. But Davidson to McCoy really ruins the age downward trend conspiracy. Seeing as Matt Smith is only 2 year shy of Peter Davidson's age I fail to see the problem really. Plus I'm 32 and the guy looks older than me.

      I'm not gonna be a precious fanboy and will wait to see how his Doctor turns out. Like Tennant if he is good then he is good. And by the way anyone considering they have cast a pretty boy might want to take a look at the guy. My mom said politely when she said his face has "character". Me I think he looks like the guy in the film "Mask".

    11. Re:Waiting by brucifer · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're waiting to see how he does before starting to judge? You must be new to /.

    12. Re:Waiting by theillien2 · · Score: 1

      Isn't Rose the one with the chainsaw teeth?

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    13. Re:Waiting by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 3, Funny

      I've already seen these episodes.

      Given the challenges he faced, I thought that Matt did a good job.

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    14. Re:Waiting by sydney+troz · · Score: 0

      But between when the show started and now, taking into account how old the Doctor is, he's barely aged at all.

    15. Re:Waiting by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      Naw, if Rose had been a porn star instead of a chav she'd have been useful to society!

    16. Re:Waiting by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 2, Funny

      Be honest... Doctor Who has been moving towards being a lame version of Buffy the vampire slayer.

      Well, except for the emasculation of every male protagonist and the moral lessons of high-school health class ("Don't go to a frat party or you will be sacrificed to a lizard god," comes to mind), yeah. So basically, it's becoming a Buffy the Vampire Slayer without Buffy the Vampire Slayer! And with a TARDIS, an endless supply of Daleks, a weirdo guy calling himself an alien, more aliens that look alien, and time travel.

      So basically, if by "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" you mean "Doctor Who", then you're exactly right!

    17. Re:Waiting by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 2, Funny

      My mom said politely when she said his face has "character". Me I think he looks like the guy in the film "Mask".

      Now that you say it, the guy does seem to look a bit Ax Crazy.

    18. Re:Waiting by retchdog · · Score: 5, Informative

      Nonetheless, there is an overall trend to younger doctors. Correlation of age with order of appearance: r=-0.7, with each doctor an average of 2 years younger than the last. (p-value: 0.01)

      Without Matt Smith, that goes down to r=-0.6, and 1.7 years younger. (p-value: 0.04)

      Thanks for the data!

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    19. Re:Waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Then have you seen 'the secret diary of a callgirl' with billie piper? it's basically porn

    20. Re:Waiting by stonedcat · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Porn

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    21. Re:Waiting by RomulusNR · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Peter Davidson said he thought he was too young to play the Doctor.

      But he turned out to be pretty good. Then again, he played it fatherly, despite having two hot young things riding on his tardis. (er. great, I just made Dr Who innuendo.) But that was the early 80s.

      And the guy who came after him, despite being "old enough" wasn't nearly "good enough".

      Whatever. Still mad at Tennant for leaving. Not as much as I am at Eccleston though.

      WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF DOCTORS, PEOPLE.

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    22. Re:Waiting by syousef · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One bit of Time Lord psychology that isn't so different from human. When he was young, he wanted to appear old and wise, now he's old, he wants to appear young for as long as possible.

      Try: In the 60s on British TV, you didn't have to be young and sexy to get the part. In our own time, things are not so sensible (which I really don't understand since you're appealing to a predominately male geek audience, not the popular model type kids).

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    23. Re:Waiting by ACDChook · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not sure who this Peter Davidson fellow is, but he certainly wasn't ever the doctor. Peter DAVISON, on the other hand...

    24. Re:Waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How have you seen them? They haven't been filmed yet.

    25. Re:Waiting by ChangelingJane · · Score: 5, Funny

      But he'll be so spunky! Yeah, that's right, I said it.

    26. Re:Waiting by chartreuse · · Score: 1

      While I generally agree with your point I also think the quasi-romantic relationships between the Doctor and his companions have as of late been done to death. A fifty-ish Doctor, with companions of the usual age, would have been a relief.

      Now they've gone the other way, I'll wait and see, but also assume that if Stephen Moffat thinks it's a good idea it probably is.

    27. Re:Waiting by chartreuse · · Score: 1

      I thought they handled his meeting and marrying River Song pretty well.

    28. Re:Waiting by Aphoxema · · Score: 1

      I'm judging already, he so, so, so doesn't have it. David Tennant is a tough act to follow.

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    29. Re:Waiting by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 1

      Is there any indication that this is a general theme in BBC programming? I watch a lot of BBC programs, much of it though is older programs like "Keeping up Appearances", "My Family", "Footballers' Wives", Spooks (MI-5), etc." I'm seeing a lot of youth oriented programs like Hex and Skins, but BBC doesn't seem to me like it's following CW in America. Look at Footballer's Wives for instance, it has Joan Collins.

    30. Re:Waiting by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In our own time, things are not so sensible (which I really don't understand since you're appealing to a predominately male geek audience, not the popular model type kids).

      That may be true in the U.S., where it's airing on the Sci-Fi channel. In Britain, you're appealing to damn near everybody. The current Doctor Who series has some of the highest ratings of any drama on television, both in terms of sheer numbers and overall approval ratings. The age range of the audience is quite broad, and though it probably skews more toward males, women watch it also.

      Really this choice has everything to do with Steven Moffatt, the new head writer of the show, and what he wants to do with the character. Russell T. Davies, the man responsible for launching the new Who, has said that he had absolutely nothing to do with the casting. Perhaps the larger story arcs Moffatt wants to tell call for a younger Doctor.

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    31. Re:Waiting by mblase · · Score: 1

      Be honest... Doctor Who has been moving towards being a lame version of Buffy the vampire slayer

      As opposed to the previous incarnation, which was largely a lame version of "Star Trek"?

      Shocking, I know, to find out that networks think they need younger actors to attract younger viewers. One wonders what this world is coming to when kids would rather watch "Big Brother" than a pentagenarian traveling through time and space in a big blue police phone box....

    32. Re:Waiting by retchdog · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Retchdog again.

      The trend is pretty obvious if you just plot the data. I took the opportunity to learn a little bit of google's painful chart API (no criticism please; I see how it could be prettier and I don't care):

      Age of The Doctor, per incarnation.

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    33. Re:Waiting by Psion · · Score: 2, Funny

      Peter Davidson's clearly an outlier.

      On the other hand, I think you may have nailed the reason Timelords only get twelve regenerations ... they'd be a non-viable fetus after the 13th.

    34. Re:Waiting by Artifakt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Perhaps increased budgets and high popularity, plus all the improvements in special effects since, say Tom Baker, mean it's more possible to do more stories where lots of physical movement, agility, and sheer conditioning play a part. A young Doctor is a Doctor who can run. Remember Tennant (as the Doctor) describing the job? "Well.. and running, lots and lots of running.".
       

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    35. Re:Waiting by trytoguess · · Score: 1

      Older males probably won't care all that much about the age of the Doctor. The females fans on the other hand would care. And what pretty much any mainstream anime and movies like Twight taught us, they are a demographic worth catering to.

    36. Re:Waiting by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Probably very true. Remember how much of the old Who episodes took place inside the TARDIS control center? A bunch of characters standing around a room with the walls painted white, pondering the "readings" from "the scanner." That stuff has been all but nixed in the new show. And where would the old show cut to after a nice, long scene inside the TARDIS? Probably to the bridge of a starship, where a man sitting in a chair would have an argument with a standing man about orders from "the Company." Or maybe to the drawing-room of an English mansion, where a sinister-looking man in period dress would have a conversation with another man, who would then leave via the door. Or maybe to a long shot of a quarry, where a man in a nylon jumpsuit holding some kind of gizmo would stagger for a while, before succumbing to an unseen foe. The new show is far, far less static than the original, in general -- and though it jarred me at first, in hindsight I have to say that's a very good thing.

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    37. Re:Waiting by viridari · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Then there is the dynamic of a guy that looks to be in is mid 20's playing a character that has live over 900 years.

      When 900 years old you reach, look as good you will not.

    38. Re:Waiting by Kam+Solusar · · Score: 4, Funny

      A ball of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff?

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    39. Re:Waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, Steven Moffat is on record as saying that kids don't tune in to Doctor Who (or other shows, really) to watch kids.

      So I'd say you're the one without a clue.

    40. Re:Waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      LOL ..

      But to be precise.. They are actually grown.

      "The Loom or Looms is a genetic weaving construction created by Rassilon following the Pythia's curse of sterility on Gallifrey."

      http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Loom

    41. Re:Waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      C.K.S. Theres been a new breakthrough in home video marketing.

      D.H There has?

      C.K.S. Yes, "Instant Cassettes". Their out in stores before the movie has even been finished.

    42. Re:Waiting by naoursla · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hate spunk.

    43. Re:Waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sheesh.. I think we are talking about the actor. But everyone knows there ain't no stinking actor. Doctor Who is of course real. duh You watch too much TV

    44. Re:Waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The old Doctor Who more or less derives from a stage theater perspective, with sets and flats in the background and the occasional filmed outdoors shots. The newest version pretty much follows modern video technology, which goes mobile through the world with a downside all the way down to handheld shakeycam. But worse, the time format has been trimmed down to what you can pack into a metric hour (joke). This forces a swift pace with no fat left for detailed character development. What you get instead are a lot of facial expressions. And hand gestures. As for Matt, I dunno, I just don't get a feeling of gravitas from a 26 year old. He's not going to have a perspective on life that a 900 year old being would have or project. Like Pierce Brosnan, a lightweight clothes horse who played James Bond like some self-important posing blowdried little twerp. Bond was never a poseur; nor should the Doctor look like a member of a boy band.

    45. Re:Waiting by denzacar · · Score: 0, Troll

      And by the way anyone considering they have cast a pretty boy might want to take a look at the guy. My mom said politely when she said his face has "character". Me I think he looks like the guy in the film "Mask".

      Don't forget that he is a Brit. Different (lower) prettyboy standards.

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    46. Re:Waiting by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 1

      Strange. Footballers Wives was a Sky production and Skins was Channel 4 production here in the UK, not BBC's.

      Unsure about Hex, thought that was an American program.

    47. Re:Waiting by Paaskonijn · · Score: 2, Funny

      Chis Eccleston and Billie Piper are quicker to react: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bC1HuDYlJ6g

    48. Re:Waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's only one "D" in "Peter Davison"

    49. Re:Waiting by h4rm0ny · · Score: 3, Interesting


      I don't mind the increaing youth of the Doctor so much as the increasing sexualisation. David Tennant was good. Christopher Eccleston is a very good actor and played the part very well, though the character wasn't that charismatic (deliberately on his part, I think). But what we've seen starting with Eccleston and much increasing with Tennant, is increasing sexual tension on the part of the doctor and his increasingly sexually interested companions. That undermines the alienness of the Doctor and I'd like to see things return to a slightly more aesexual footing. (Not that I couldn't watch Freeman Agyeman all day long). The most important thing to me though is that a regeneration results in a different character. That was always one of the most interesting aspects of the regeneration - not the physical change, but that the doctor seemed to actually recreate himself quite radically sometimes. That was a bit lost with the Eccleston - Tennant transition. They were both very similar. What I'd really like to see with Matt Smith is him come across as a genuinely new person. Still intelligent, still resolutely pacifist, but with his own set of mannerisms, relationships with people (it would be interesting to see him relate to former companions as if he were meeting them for the first time in some ways). I will wait and see. I'll certainly want to see the new episodes to judge for myself.

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    50. Re:Waiting by RichardJenkins · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd agree, but remember it's not just David Tennant leaving the show but Russel T Davis, the creative force behind much of the remake.

      You're best off looking not just at the general trend of the episodes, but who wrote them. Most of the schmultzy luvvy duvvy episodes that I (and most others here I'd wager) aren't fond of were written by Russel.

      Steven Moffat is taking over Russels position as the shows head writer, and I reckon that his episodes are some of my favourite.

      28 year old actor playing the part? Hmm, will reserve judgement on that one until 2010.

    51. Re:Waiting by h4rm0ny · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't forget that he is a Brit. Different (lower) prettyboy standards.

      By lower, you mean actually allowed to look like a human being you'd want to date, rather than a giant set of ultra-white teeth jammed in a tanned manequinn?

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    52. Re:Waiting by stiller · · Score: 3, Funny

      WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF DOCTORS, PEOPLE.

      However, that would be a good opportunity to reboot the series, so we could finally get rid of those damn 60's props and update the Daleks. *ducks*

    53. Re:Waiting by bobmarleypeople · · Score: 1

      Who the hell is Matt Smith? Seriously, I've never heard of him!

    54. Re:Waiting by h4rm0ny · · Score: 4, Insightful


      I think not only the quality casting leads to the shows great popularity, but that they actually have decent story arcs. There are some howlers, but there are also some great moments. In "The Last of the Time Lords" where Martha Jones returns to confront the Master, the Doctor derisively asks the Master if he really thought that the Doctor would have asked her to bring a gun. The contempt in the word veritiably drips off Tennant's tongue and you know, exactly, that this wouldn't be in character for the Doctor's beliefs and he finds his own solution based on people's hope (and cleverness). So many programs and films today have no greater sophistication in their heroes than the ability to get back up after being shot and throw one last heroic punch. The Doctor is a character who wins without the cheating power of plot (mostly) but rather through staying a few steps ahead of his adversaries. That's why two of his best enemies are the Daleks (unreasoning military force, creating the tension between intellect and violence) and the Master (the clash of two equally powerful intellects).

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    55. Re:Waiting by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The old Doctor Who more or less derives from a stage theater perspective

      This is really obvious in the originals. Hartnell pauses as he walks on to the set, every time, to make sure the audience has noticed he's on stage. He doesn't seem to have got the idea that the audience is clued in to this by the camera angle changing.

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    56. Re:Waiting by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 1

      You're right on the money in dismissing the "ageist conspiracy"...however I think your nostalgia is blinding you to the fact that Peter Davidson wasn't a particularly great Doctor.

      David Tennant is the only one under 40 on that list that I think does the character justice. (I never really liked Paul McGann either.)

      As an aside, McGann's Withnail & I co-star Richard E. Grant was 46 when he voiced the 8.5th Doctor in Scream of The Shalka. All this leads me to believe that older = better :)

    57. Re:Waiting by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 1

      BBC America has carried both programs in the US where I am, and here it's all branded as being BBC America as opposed to Sky or Channel 4, at least as I can remember. Just checked my DVDs to be sure, and Hex was indeed BBC.

    58. Re:Waiting by denzacar · · Score: 1

      Personally, being a heterosexual guy - I wouldn't date either him or his "ultra-white teeth jammed in a tanned manequinn" brother/cousin/clone.

      But yeah... Besides the above quoted being a joke, he ain't prettyboy by Hollywood standards, but he is a member of prettyboy army of clones.
      As the matter of fact, so was Tennant to some extent (he played Casanova for Christ's sake) but as he is pushing 40 (he is nearly 38) and with a bit wider range of parts under his belt - he escaped the label. Barely.

      I'm guessing that the next Doctor will be even younger.
      Apparently, that teenage girl demographics is a very powerful audience group no show can afford to miss.

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    59. Re:Waiting by lisaparratt · · Score: 1

      Except that's from the New Adventures, so the canonicity is debatable...

      (I feel so dirty >_)

    60. Re:Waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you discard Davidson as an outlier, than you should discard Hartnell too. Doing so somewhat disrupts the illusion of a trend, though.

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    61. Re:Waiting by iJusten · · Score: 1

      Actor and age when they started Doctor Who:
      William Hartnell - 56
      Patrick Troughton - 46
      Jon Pertwee - 51 (He will always be Worzel Gummidge to me)

      Wow. Those are really low numbers. I always thought Hartnell and Pertwee were on their mid60s with Troughton on 50s (with Baker I nearly 50). Did the people get that much faster older back then?

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    62. Re:Waiting by tehmorph · · Score: 1

      And here is that plot...

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    63. Re:Waiting by pcgabe · · Score: 1

      It's hard to take you seriously when you say Davidson every time.

      It's Peter Davison. (Yes, yes, it's really Peter Moffet, you're very clever.)

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    64. Re:Waiting by I_M_Noman · · Score: 1

      As opposed to the previous incarnation, which was largely a lame version of "Star Trek"?

      Considering that Star Trek started 3 years after Doctor Who, wouldn't that be the other way 'round?

    65. Re:Waiting by wolverine1999 · · Score: 1

      He's Culture Club..

    66. Re:Waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      He used the TARDIS?

    67. Re:Waiting by fermion · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The show was static, but the Tardis as a character certainly did not exist in the early Dr. Who. It was merely a plot device. In the first serial, I think we spent some time in the tardis in the second episode, with some exposition of how it worked, and a plot point with radiation.

      Having not seen much of the first series, except in the excerpts that remain, and listening to the commentary, I believe the only serial that was an 'elevator episode' was the one that preceded marco polo, and that was because Marco Polo was going to cost so much money they needed a cheap serial.

      Otherewise, it is my recolection, where they were entire series where we see little of the Tardis. In fact it has been remarked by Sladen that the tardis is much more pivotal in the newer episodes, and a much grander set than in her day. We can certainly see that it is much more intricate.

      Which is the way it should be. As mentioned elsewhere, much of the show was quite static, shot and acted as a stage play, but with more locations. The power of tv was to get out into the world and make it look different. This is what they did. At least in the middle serials, they seemed to have a pretty good location budget.

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    68. Re:Waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look, watching most TV is fundamentally not an adult activity, really. It's passive make-believe, and more limited than books too.

      Go DO the stuff, don't watch it. Christ. Watch the 21:00 news (NOT fox 'news'...) maybe, but beyond that, treat the idiot box as for idiots.

    69. Re:Waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Billie Piper is disgusting

      Ah, internet standards.

      Idiot. She's quite stunning by any normal metric. And quite unlikely to be interested in your fat, sweaty internet nerd ass.

      She was just playing a character on Doctor Who anyway.

    70. Re:Waiting by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 1
      Don't forget that he is a Brit. Different (lower) prettyboy standards.

      Meow! He's no pretty-boy like Mitch Hewer (Skins series) or even Matthew Waterhouse (Adric), but that would detract from the role!

      No doubt in the American remake the doctor will be cast as Brendon Fraser...

    71. Re:Waiting by EDinWestLA · · Score: 1

      Welcome to "Gallifrey 90210"

      What, Shannen Doherty caused the destruction of a whole race too? Nice.

    72. Re:Waiting by Snaller · · Score: 1

      "Matt Smith - 27 (when he starts playing the part in 2010 not now)"

      Except they start shooting this year, so 26.

      "So only 2 of the Doctors were over 50 when he started."

      Decades ago - times change, so not relevant.

      "Seeing as Matt Smith is only 2 year shy of Peter Davidson's age I fail to see the problem really. Plus I'm 32 and the guy looks older than me."

      The problem, at the moment, is he looks like a dumb snotnosed kid. And your problem, if you really look younger than him, is that you look younger than him. If a plastic operation is too expensive perhaps a large bear would help.

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    73. Re:Waiting by EpsCylonB · · Score: 1

      I always thought the new doctor who shows were lame, and I loved doctor who when I was little. They have actually managed to dumb it down, an achievement because it was never that highbrow to begin with.

    74. Re:Waiting by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      Television is also a less new media than it was when Dr. Who started resulting in a larger and younger pool of talent to choose from. 'Back in the day', quality actors of a younger age would be harder to find than they are today where an actor of 21 may already have 10+ credits under their belt.

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    75. Re:Waiting by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      Yeah, sorry, Americans have allowed themselves to be completely Hollywoodized in their personal appearance expectations.

      Super white teeth, all perfectly straight, with trimmed eyebrows and manicured nails, shaved chests, etc.

      It makes me a little sick personally, and hopefully society grows out of it soon as I have no intention of changing.

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    76. Re:Waiting by OSXCPA · · Score: 1

      .. And it would either be excellent and get cancelled mid-season, or it would absolutely suck and last seven seasons. Combining science fiction, humor and character development are very tough to do. The BBC have a better track record than the US does. We managed to put out Firefly, and even that took ridiculous amounts of time and work... and despite being profitable, got cancelled anyway.

      BTW - it could be worse than Brendan Fraser - consider Keifer Sutherland or Matt LeBlanc in the role. Gah. Wait... Nathan Fillion is currently underemployed... do you think...?

      Nah.

    77. Re:Waiting by OSXCPA · · Score: 1

      One other thing the Doctor relies on - other people (companions, etc.) to 'do the right thing' and be clever. Kind of unique, if you think about it - the hero of a television show who actually relies on supporting cast to solve problems. Look at what happened to Donna Noble - she gave up literally everything she valued in her life to fix things. One of the best moments of the new series, I thought.

      BTW - Daleks aren't just unreasoning force, they are sheer racist hate. The Cybermen are closer to pure unreasoning force, but I digress, and risk being branded a fanboy. :)

    78. Re:Waiting by OSXCPA · · Score: 1

      Nice one...

    79. Re:Waiting by NeuroManson · · Score: 1

      AND a whiz!

      He's gonna need a Gallifraean urologist after this one.

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    80. Re:Waiting by NeuroManson · · Score: 1

      What about the absolute FIRST Doctor, from Dr. Who and the Daleks? Sure, he's human in that one, but Peter Cushing was 53 at the time that was released.

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    81. Re:Waiting by lewko · · Score: 2, Funny

      Like, exterminate.

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    82. Re:Waiting by vistic · · Score: 1

      It could be makeup, hairstyle, lighting, and being shot in PAL video (which has a much lower color saturation than NTSC or most high def stuff).

      Or maybe it's all our preservatives in our food now that keep us looking so fresh.

      I do agree, though I thought Troughton as well was in his 60s. I think his hair always looked like a mod Beatles wig on an old man to me, and so made his face look that much older out of contrast.

    83. Re:Waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Rose porn... that would be Secret Diary of a Call Girl

    84. Re:Waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He can say that he fucking well likes.. judge them by their actions.

    85. Re:Waiting by fatphil · · Score: 1

      They tried that - and it sucked so bad.

      I have all Dr Who dating back to Pertwee on VHS, and I watch them quite regularly in rotation (I guess it takes me 5-10 years to do all 3 decades, I don't like to rush). The worst ones historically (e.g. Delta and the Bannermen) were atrocious, but the recent bad ones (final 2 parts of the recent series) were just as bad, but funded by a way higher budget and covered in brash special effects (such as the Dalek assimilating the human in order to evolve). That makes them relatively worse. All IMHO, of course.

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    86. Re:Waiting by fatphil · · Score: 1

      Have you forgotten Pertwee fencing with the Master?

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    87. Re:Waiting by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      it's more possible to do more stories where lots of physical movement, agility, and sheer conditioning play a part.

      Jon Pertwee was long past his 20s, but his Doctor buckled swashes rather well and kicked butt with his "Venusian karate". There's a sword-fight with The Master, and even a good old-fashioned pit fight in one ep. A very silly video highlight real of Third Doctor fight scenes here.

      Don't make ageist assumptions about the correlation between age and fitness or butt-kicking ability. And get off my lawn, damn kid.

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    88. Re:Waiting by kabocox · · Score: 1

      William Hartnell - 56
      Patrick Troughton - 46
      Jon Pertwee - 51 (He will always be Worzel Gummidge to me)
      Tom Baker - 40
      Peter Davidson - 29
      Colin Baker - 40
      Sylvester McCoy - 44
      Paul McGann - 37
      Christopher Eccleston - 41
      David Tennant - 34
      Matt Smith - 27 (when he starts playing the part in 2010 not now)

      So only 2 of the Doctors were over 50 when he started. Yeah it is some ageist conspiracy alright. The BBC have cast 2 people under 40 in a row as the Doctor! OMGWTFBBQ! I think people's nostalgia tinted glasses are getting the better of them. You need to take them off and get over yourself. The doctor's age has clearly fluctuated a lot over the years. But Davidson to McCoy really ruins the age downward trend conspiracy. Seeing as Matt Smith is only 2 year shy of Peter Davidson's age I fail to see the problem really. Plus I'm 32 and the guy looks older than me.

      50s, 50s? come on the British must have had really bad medical care back then. The first several doctors all looked like they were in their late 60s or 70s. My dad hasn't quite hit 60, yet, but looks far younger than those first couple of Doctors. My dad could pass for early 50s or late 40s. I never was really curious about actors ages, but finding out those guys were that young, but looked that old is kind of startling. I'd have to agree though that the Doctor "appears to be" getting younger.

    89. Re:Waiting by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      One other thing the Doctor relies on - other people (companions, etc.) to 'do the right thing' and be clever.

      I think that's been one of the interesting themes of the show, at least since the revival - not the Doctor himself, but the impact he has on those he encounters. Prime example being Rose, of course, who goes from a chavvy shop girl to someone who can put the scare into Daleks!

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    90. Re:Waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While over 50 might be a bit of a stretch, here's the equation for the trend line: y = -1.9455x + 52.127 where y is age and x is the number of the doctor. Thus the 15th doctor will be 22.9445 years old if the trend holds up.

    91. Re:Waiting by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Super white teeth, all perfectly straight, with trimmed eyebrows and manicured nails, shaved chests, etc.

      You get used to it, too. I saw The Golden Child on New Year's Eve, and wow, Eddie Murphy used to have some really yellow teeth. Never noticed it in the theatre, the first time around.

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    92. Re:Waiting by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      I remember watching a PBS special on early Hollywood and what a public scandal it was that some of the actors had had their teeth filed down to have better smiles on camera.

      In other news, those aren't real either.

      But seriously, while I accept white-washed actors in certain roles (if he's playing Superman), I'd like to see more average-looking people on the other side of the lens. Its one of the things I appreciate in some European and indie movies.

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    93. Re:Waiting by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Hey, give it a few years and they'll have teeth-detection algorithms in Final Cut Pro that they can run in post to brighten up the smiles automatically, no orthodontics required. :B

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    94. Re:Waiting by fatphil · · Score: 1

      I'm an unashamed fanboy, and I think almost everything to do with Donna [censored] Noble was execrable. And Tennant's Doctor getting all wet because of how marvelous she was when she was just being a tawdry character from a primary-school-level comic was an insult to long-time viewers' intelligence. When Ecclestone appeared I thought that Dr. Who had been resurrected, or regenerated, as good as in its prime. RTD and Tennant, and the Noble companion, have blasted that idea out of the water. Don't get me wrong, Freeman was OK in her companion role, and the Rose character was wonderfully rendered by Piper, one of the best companions ever. But Tennant and Noble under RTD make Colin Baker and Bonnie Langford look like a winning combo. All IMHO, of course.

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    95. Re:Waiting by OSXCPA · · Score: 1

      I understand your point - I was not a fan of Noble until halfway through her tenure. I think she is one of those characters one has to take on their own terms - a homebody, and an obnoxious one, who longs for something more. My sympathy for her might stem from the fact that I know many people like her from my own childhood - but I can understand she might grate on you. I liked the fact that she was really not too bright, but she worked her inventory with everything she had. She was emotionally a basket case, but carried on anyway and just sucked it up and dealt with it (after blubbering, of course). The fact that she needed a good shaking from time to time made it more rewarding when she pulled it out and did something great. That, and her insights (re: sick days, for example) came from her (very limited) experience, not raw brainpower.

      Is it wrong of me to enjoy someone truly average trying so hard and succeeding to a level that Pipers' and Freemans' characters achieve with much less effort and drama? Probably. Maybe it is like watching the Special Olympics - it isn't about being the fastest or best in the world, it is about living up to ones greatest potential, and putting out maximum effort, even if competing in a field one cannot possibly be world-beating in. I think that is it, for me.

      I will agree that Rose was the best rendered companion of the new series, and IMHO the Eccleston Doctor was the best of the new series, from a Doctor-companion character standpoint.

    96. Re:Waiting by OSXCPA · · Score: 1

      Agree. Rose annihilating Daleks was one of my favorite moments - if you are going to sell 'frightening Daleks' to an audience, you have to earn it, and I think they did.

      Further to your point, having the Doctor rhapsodize about what makes humans great (or not so much) every few episodes is, IMHO, what makes the series so good. Sometimes a little heavy-handed, but it works well, IMHO, especially for younger viewers.

    97. Re:Waiting by fatphil · · Score: 1

      Of course, everyone gets their own pleasure from different aspects of the program. And I do like your analogy. (And I think perhaps one of my historical ex-girlfriends was rather like Donna, which might be part of the reason I had no patience and detuned her. Emotional basket case, hehehe, yup. My current g/f has just said "I couldn't get past her character enough to like her character", which I think sums up my view too.)

      To be honest, when the Ecclestone/Tyler governor had spun up and was spinning smoothly (it took a while to work out what the dynamic was, and what it should be), I was prepared to list Ecclestone as my #2 favourite doctor ever. And as someone whe remembers watching The Seeds of Doom partially hidden behind the sofa, I think that's quite a bold statement. I also had the prejudice that any re-invention of the program was going to be crap. It wasn't.

      As long as the writers remember that 30-40+-year-old fans still exist, and not piss us off completely, I'll still ride the lows between the highs.

      Crossing fingers...

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    98. Re:Waiting by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      Have you seen the existing algorithms for making people look more beautiful?

      I wouldn't be surprised if they did this sort of thing on a per-frame basis in the future.

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    99. Re:Waiting by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      I really should preview more carefully.

      That's these algorithms on my blog, at http://blog.mikebabcock.ca/2008/08/make-me-beautiful.html ... not the link above which won't work.

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    100. Re:Waiting by retchdog · · Score: 1

      If you plot those points, you'll still see a trend. If you want to ignore your senses and call it an illusion, you can try computing the regression yourself and find that p=0.005, r=-0.81. Even if you take out Matt Smith you still have p=0.03, r=-0.72.

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    101. Re:Waiting by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be surprised if they did this sort of thing on a per-frame basis in the future.

      I'm afraid you're right. I'll bet they're used in political ads here by 2014. We already know a certain slice of the population votes for the prettiest candidate, so this would actually be a very wise investment.

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    102. Re:Waiting by pegasuskat · · Score: 1

      Just like a a great many of you, I am a devoted Doctor Who fan. I have been a fan of the show since it was first introduced over here with Tom Baker being the Doctor. I have tried to see if I can find any of his work that I have seen. Can't find any. So my feelings on the new Doctor is this. Wait and see how he fares. Only time will tell. I will just wait and see how he works out as being the new Doctor. Regardless, I wish David Terrant the best. And who knows, he may do a guest shot!

  2. Matt Smith by robvangelder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who?

    1. Re:Matt Smith by slugtastic · · Score: 2, Informative

      I found his page on Wikipedia. Not much info on him.

    2. Re:Matt Smith by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he's gay - the first bent doctor. the first doctor with a vibrating sonic-screwdriver "plug".

    3. Re:Matt Smith by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

      Matt Smith.

    4. Re:Matt Smith by click2005 · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, just The Doctor

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    5. Re:Matt Smith by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    6. Re:Matt Smith by owlnation · · Score: 2, Informative

      You might try his imdb page instead. Most of the wikipedia article is stolen from there anyway (like almost all film / tv / actor bios on wikipedia) But at least all the info on imdb is verified -- unlike wikipedia.

    7. Re:Matt Smith by shogun · · Score: 1

      And at least its up to date on Wikipedia, unlike IMDB.

      The verified bit for the IMDB does (mostly) apply though.

    8. Re:Matt Smith by ian_from_brisbane · · Score: 1

      Maybe he's the article submitter, Jerry Smith's, brother.

    9. Re:Matt Smith by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      all the info on imdb is verified -- unlike wikipedia

      Ahhhhhhh you're one of those people. Railing against something because it hasn't YET evolved to perfection. Even so, it's a better amalgamated source of knowledge than anything else that has ever existed. Yes, ever.

    10. Re:Matt Smith by RyatNrrd · · Score: 1

      [citation required]

    11. Re:Matt Smith by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who?

      The Doctor.

    12. Re:Matt Smith by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 1

      Yes.

    13. Re:Matt Smith by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly

    14. Re:Matt Smith by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that's Dr. Who to you.

    15. Re:Matt Smith by Stormie · · Score: 1

      But at least all the info on imdb is verified

      You might like to try creating a fraudulent IMDb profile sometime, I think you'd find the experience educational.

      Here's an example: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1885979/

  3. 11th or 10th? by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

    Did the the 10th Doctor's regeneration count since he never changed ?

    btw, get the 1st (new) season on DVD - there's episodes Sci-Fi never chose to air for some reason... and they're awesome.

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    1. Re:11th or 10th? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really?

      Thanks very much!

    2. Re:11th or 10th? by jd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm not sure if the tenth regeneration could count either. Ohhhhh! In THAT sense! Ok. It's unclear. Time Lords may be able to change their appearance without actually using up a regeneration (Romana was way too bright to have wasted an entire life after a mere 150 years), so it would seem to follow that "partial" regeneration is possible without using up an actual regeneration in the process.

      Although this is the 11th Doctor, it is also questionable as to whether each life has used up a regeneration. The Second Doctor to the Third may or may not have been a regeneration but it was under the control and supervision of Time Lord technology. The life-energy (or whatever) that is involved in the process could therefore have been external. If so, it would not have used up that amount of energy internally. The same could be argued for the Fourth to Fifth, as the Watcher was an external source of regenerative energy. (The Third to the Fourth was started externally but the energy was internal.)

      If you want to take this line of reasoning further, you may also wish to consider Mawdryn Undead. In that, The Doctor was due to have all his remaining regenerations drained to kill off Mawdryn and his associates. The Brigadier intervened, saving him. But is that all he did? Action and reaction are equal and opposite, and the circuit was still complete. If the machine could take regenerations away, a reverse surge should logically add them. This should give The Doctor potentially another six lives.

      Also consider Brain of Morbius. We don't know what effect the elixier had on The Doctor. It is supposed to aid in failed regenerations, so presumably provides an external energy source in addition to any other curative properties. Those who drank it did, after all, become immortal for the duration of drinking it, which suggests that it had that kind of restorative power. This potentially gives The Doctor another additional life, as he didn't require a regeneration to heal.

      Finally, if you subscribe to the notion that Russel T Davis is, in fact, a Dalek Agent hell-bent on destroying The Doctor's reputation, you can disregard as much of DW:TNG as you like.

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    3. Re:11th or 10th? by chartreuse · · Score: 1

      The Time Lords offered to reset the Master's regeneration count (the Five Doctors?), too, so we could consider the possibility that Gallifreyan technology could manipulate it.

      The whole limit of twelve regenerations was introduced years into the series in a throwaway line, and historically those in charge have never been much troubled in changing continuity if it allows a better story, at least in TOS. Don't the Daleks have at least two origins? (Not including the Cushing movies, which are non-canon.)

    4. Re:11th or 10th? by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      The Watcher WAS the Fifth Doctor. His appearance was masked by the "veil of time". I don't think there was any energy transfer. If there was the regeneration would't have botched, and he wouldn't have had to rely on the Zero Room.

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    5. Re:11th or 10th? by fm6 · · Score: 1

      It counts if they want it to. It's not like Dr. Who is that strong on logic.

      We'll soon find out. At this rate, The Doctor is going to run through his 13 allocated incarnations in a couple of years. They might work around this fact, or ignore it. But my prediction is that they'll use it: the writers can't resist a lame moral dilemma.

    6. Re:11th or 10th? by jd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The Daleks do have two origins, but I figured out a solution to that. Some Daleks were sent to the Thaal city and had not returned at the time The Doctor destroyed the entranceway. These would have been trapped in the Thaal city and, lacking access to the computer data banks in the Kaled city, would have necessarily invented their own past in order to explain their existence. Lacking advanced technology, they would also have been forced to improvize, hence their use of static electricity.

      The population in the Kaled city, however, have suffered some damage to their computer systems. They would have therefore had no ability to be aware of the population of Daleks in the Thaal city. These Kaled Daleks become convinced that they are the only Daleks and therefore do not reconnect with the Thaal Daleks.

      As the Thaals possessed rocketry, the Thaal Dalek population rapidly develops space flight (hence their invasion of other worlds) and eventually develop time travel as well (The Chase). The Kaled Daleks independently develop space flight but their seclusion has resulted in a more imperial, structured regime. Eventually, these Dalek populations rediscover each other and partly re-merge. However, the inability to reconcile histories results in the split between the loyalist Daleks and the Imperial Daleks. The mythologies created by the Thaal Daleks also results in groups like the Cult of Skaro and the Emperor-God seen at the end of the 10th Doctor run.

      We now have a reconciled history that "explains" the two origin stories and the factionalism that should not have existed in the lower-level Daleks. (Picture the Daleks as similar in structure to the original Cylons of Battlestar Galactica, where the warriors have one primitive brain, the more senior Cylons have two more sophisticated brains and the highest-ranking ones have three highly sophisticated brains.)

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    7. Re:11th or 10th? by Fractal+Dice · · Score: 1

      The canonicity of the Fox movie may not be clear, but it did include the following line in the prologue: "In all my travels through space and time, and nearing the end of my seventh life, I was finally beginning to realise that you could never be too careful."

      In the end though, it all runs on comic book logic: there will always be another episode, whatever the excuse needed.

    8. Re:11th or 10th? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's clearly 2 timelines, the original and the shitty Davros one.

      When a grown man needs to come up with some elaborate scheme to conjoin the stories, that simply screams GET A LIFE!

    9. Re:11th or 10th? by strawberryutopia · · Score: 1

      I think the general point to take away from what you've said is that, if the BBC want to keep Doctor Who going indefinitely (and they'd be stupid not to), they'll think of a way of giving the Doctor more regenerations.

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    10. Re:11th or 10th? by jd · · Score: 1

      I have a life. I keep it safe in a small box by my desk. Occasionally, I take it out and polish it.

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    11. Re:11th or 10th? by jd · · Score: 1

      The Watcher being The Doctor was Nyssa's conclusion, but we have no hard evidence of that. We know Time Lords can absorb others to obtain the energy needed to regenerate - The Master has done so several times. We know the Time Lords can synthesize such energy (the Sisterhood did so with the Elixier, and the people the Time Lords interfered with to produce regeneration capsules clearly did likewise). We know Time Lords can also project such energy, should they need to (Planet of the Spiders). Nyssa's conclusion that The Watcher was The Doctor is therefore no different from any other fan theory, even if it was produced in the series. It's an interpretation of canon that is viable but not essential.

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    12. Re:11th or 10th? by jd · · Score: 1

      Actually, I'll break that down into two distinct conclusions, of which the first is exactly what you said. They will find a way. The second conclusion is that they can find ways that don't go against already-transmitted episodes. Yes, inventing a whole new idea is also possible, but (a) brand-new fans, unfamiliar with the old series, won't get anything more out of them doing so than they would using an existing method (but might then become more aware of there being an old series), and (b) fans familiar with the old series will spot the references, potentially leading to such fans returning to the series.

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    13. Re:11th or 10th? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool. Got a girlfriend?

    14. Re:11th or 10th? by jd · · Score: 1

      *blinks and goes to check an online dictionary for this unfamiliar word*

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    15. Re:11th or 10th? by fatphil · · Score: 1

      Why, oh why, oh why, couldn't you have been the guy writing the final 2 episodes for the last DW series? RTD's a [censored].

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  4. Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limit by gustar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seems like they have been burning through regenerations in the latter Dr. Who series. What are they gonna do when they hit twelve? No more Dr. Who?

  5. interesting choice by thermian · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I hope its not just so doctor who can become yet another 'only beautiful people allowed' show.

    Mind you, the BBC are pretty careful about casting for their prime real estate, so he may just be the best choice.

    For me though, although I liked Eccleston and Tennant, I've always considered Tom Baker to be the definitive Doctor. When will they bring back the mad scarfs?

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    1. Re:interesting choice by gustar · · Score: 2

      Exactly, Tom Baker (and maybe Pertwee) will always be the quintessential Dr. Who! I found everything after Peter Davidson pretty much unwatchable.

    2. Re:interesting choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Conversely, I had zero interest in it until Eccleston and Tennant. My main problem with Eccleston, however, was that I can't see him as anything other than Raymond Coletri, and I don't even like that movie. I just always think of him as a raging asshole, though, so I was always waiting for his unbridled goofy eared supergrin to turn into him crushing someone in a car in a junkyard.

    3. Re:interesting choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disliked the Tennant series because it is unreasonable to expect a 900 year old Time Lord to have a romantic relationship with a naive 18 year old human (Rose). Within the context of that universe it's not believable.

    4. Re:interesting choice by Myrddin+Wyllt · · Score: 3, Informative

      I hope its not just so doctor who can become yet another 'only beautiful people allowed' show.

      I'm guessing you haven't seen a photo of him - striking features, perhaps even with a touch of 'alien', but definitely not 'beautiful people' material

      I will be sorry to see Tennant go, but then I thought Eccleston would be hard to follow. The only thing I've seen Matt Smith in is the BBC adaption of Philip Pullman's 'Ruby in the Smoke' - Nothing in that performance looked very 'Doctory', but neither did Tennant in Casanova, so we'll just have to wait and see...

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    5. Re:interesting choice by dbIII · · Score: 5, Insightful
      John Pertwee was the best Doctor - now get off my lawn!

      I think it really depends on when you first started watching it.

    6. Re:interesting choice by Steve001 · · Score: 1

      For me, Colin Baker was the best Doctor. His quirkiness and harsh attitude was a refreshing change from Davison's Doctor, and he brought forth the entertaining aspects of his previous personas. Sadly, his Doctor wasn't given adequate time to develop.

    7. Re:interesting choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      c'mon he looks like one of the emo kids from south park.

      he's too bloody young. this needs an actor with gravitas.

      LOL - captcha was "children". very apt!

    8. Re:interesting choice by fermion · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I think they did the pretty boy with Peter Davidson. The companions, fortunately, have been more focused on interesting features rather than just pretty, though for the girls there is often a focus on cleavage and legs. Ah, recall Sladen in the gratuitous swimming costume on one of her early episodes. I think Baker was only definitive because she was by his side.

      In terms of doctors, look at some of the original William Hartnell stuff. It was a different show, more classically inspired, more logical, less magical thinking and gadgets. It was interesting. The show changes as new people get involves, not only actors by also writers. For instance, the decision to destroy K-9 and get back to more thinking show, what if this happened, who would we react?

      Clearly in the new incarnation, Dr. Who is falling dangerous close to the romantic dramedy formula. For some reason we are now given a tortured Doctor. Not sure why. But this casting may indicate that we may be in for even more teen and young adult angst, something that was previously reserved for the companions, and even then it did not work out wonderfully. How man of us loved Turlough? Or it may just be that they want someone who will stay awhile, and not be so expensive. The danger is he may not be any good, and may never want to leave. As wonderful as Tom Baker was, I think he stayed too long, and damaged the ability of the show to rejuvenate when another doctor replaced him.

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    9. Re:interesting choice by thermian · · Score: 1

      John Pertwee was the best Doctor - now get off my lawn!

      I think it really depends on when you first started watching it.

      This is quite probably very true.
      I started watching just before Pertwee stopped being the doctor.

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    10. Re:interesting choice by The+Evil+Couch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Did you look at the new Doctor? He doesn't look like a "beautiful" person; he looks like a bit like a child molester. That hair is really creepy.

    11. Re:interesting choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Clearly in the new incarnation, Dr. Who is falling dangerous close to the romantic dramedy formula. For some reason we are now given a tortured Doctor. Not sure why.

      Steven Moffat, who was responsible for writing the best Doctor Who episodes of the new series (The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, The Girl in the Fireplace, Blink, Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead) is taking over the show starting with the 2010 season, and thus the 11th Doctor.

    12. Re:interesting choice by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      Baker is awesome, of course, but personally I think Eccleston was hands-down the best doctor of anything I've seen. He gave the character an edge that they went for with Sylvester McCoy, but didn't quite reach in the same way. Good stuff, I thought.

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    13. Re:interesting choice by schon · · Score: 1

      I think it really depends on when you first started watching it.

      Dunno about that.. I started with Pertwee, and I think that Tom Baker was the best doctor, followed by Tennant, with Pertwee a close third.

    14. Re:interesting choice by blhack · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing you haven't seen a photo of him

      I'm guessing that you haven't talked to a girl aged 12-25 lately.

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    15. Re:interesting choice by Galrion · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When I first saw Eccleston in Dr. Who I was amused and entertained. He was a pretty good Doctor I thought (because I didn't remember seeing the older seasons).

      Then when we got David Tennant in the series and watched him grow into the role more and more, he puts Eccleston to shame. After seeing Tenant and his jovial performance as the Doctor, going back to watch Eccleston's season just lets me see him as an angry pent-up Doctor.

      At the end of the season finale when Rose goes back to the alternative universe and takes the human doctor with her, the real doctor says to her that the human one was born out of destruction and filled with rage, just like he was when he first met Rose. In that case, Eccleston did a wonderful job portraying the rage.

    16. Re:interesting choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Beautiful people"?

      Seriously?

      This one isn't beautiful, and I am in love with James May (Top Gear).

    17. Re:interesting choice by Myrddin+Wyllt · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing that you haven't talked to a girl aged 12-25 lately.

      I have six nieces in that age range, all with scarily mainstream tastes. Younger ones into Jonas Brothers / Zac Efron, older ones into Di Caprio / Slater / whoever. I don't doubt some girls are into quirky looks now, just like some were into Bowie rather than David Essex when I was in school, but it is always going to be the minority.

      I'll take a straw poll next week and pluralize the anecdotes into data, but I'd be surprised if I got more than one "Oooft, I would".

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    18. Re:interesting choice by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      When you become 900 years old, you'll understand too.

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    19. Re:interesting choice by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

      She was also thicker than a corned beef sandwich, even after he explained stuff to her... like his regeneration, I always felt she slowed the story down because she was dumb. I was really happy they stuffed her in her own universe. Towards the end I thought she had matured because she knew more than the Doctor on the impending doom. But once they got back together she was corn beef again.

    20. Re:interesting choice by narcc · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Is this flamebait or are you being serious?

    21. Re:interesting choice by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 1

      I began with Baker too during the syndicated episodes that followed in the late '70s. And I've been a Sarah Jane nut all my life; but I really like Tennant a lot. I think he might be my favorite. Don't know about him being the best, but almost certainly my favorite. Very quirky and comical, and at times, you can see a hint of madness in his eyes. I like my Time Lords to walk a thin line.

    22. Re:interesting choice by mblase · · Score: 1

      I think it really depends on when you first started watching it.

      I actually own a t-shirt declaring that "You never forget your first Doctor."

      Mine was Tom Baker, but to be honest, I think David Tennant has him beat based on pure manic energy. Plus I enjoy watching the show so much more now that it actually has a real budget for effects and location shooting.

    23. Re:interesting choice by Chowderbags · · Score: 1

      Hell, when I first saw the publicity photo of Matt Smith I thought "Why does he look so much like Charles II of Spain?"

    24. Re:interesting choice by Alioth · · Score: 1

      Matt Smith is hardly beautiful. I watched the clip on the BBC News website, and he looks older than his years.

      On the other hand he did write Jet Set Willy. Oh, wrong Matt Smith!

    25. Re:interesting choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For me, Colin Baker was the best Doctor.

      I think we have nothing further to say to each other.

    26. Re:interesting choice by OSXCPA · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I thought his 'pissed off doctor' when he's screaming at the Dalek to 'just die' was a far more appropriate response to encountering the last of the species that had wiped out your entire civilization. Chris E. gave the Doctor an edge. Never saw McCoy, so can't speak to that.

  6. IMDB link by Gothic_Walrus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Since it wasn't included in the summary and searching for "Matt Smith" brings up page after page of listings on IMDB, here's the profile of the actor in question.

    It looks like he hasn't done much in his career so far, and (other than one episode of Secret Diary of a Call Girl) I don't see anything that American audiences would be familiar with there.

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    1. Re:IMDB link by Tom9729 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Looks like he has worked with Billie Piper before. Would be interesting if she was still on the show..

    2. Re:IMDB link by Xolotl · · Score: 1

      Twice then, since she played Belle in Secret Diary.

    3. Re:IMDB link by martin-boundary · · Score: 3, Funny

      It looks like he hasn't done much in his career so far,

      Sorry, but you're mixing up your spacetime continuum. Let me fix it:

      It looks like his agent doesn't like to book him a lot of pre-2009 gigs.

    4. Re:IMDB link by digitig · · Score: 1

      Not a lot that UK audiences are familiar with, either. The BBC news today was describing him as "relatively unknown". Still, I suppose that means we don't have any preconceived ideas about ho well he'll do. I can't help worrying, though -- particularly with RTD jumping ship, putting a young unknown in the Doctor role looks disturbingly like a cost-cutting move.

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    5. Re:IMDB link by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Moffat is replacing RTD though, and Moffat is a MUCH better writer. Repeatedly nominated for Hugo Awards for his Doctor Who episodes kind of better. So RTD going will probably be a good thing overall.

      As for the actor though...his hair really worries me. There shall be no emo in my doctor. Period.

    6. Re:IMDB link by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      I really have to agree with you that Moffat's episodes were generally better (Blink was easily my favorite episode since the series reboot.). The only thing that worries me is that Moffat generally did filler episodes, while Davies handled the overall story arcs for each season and always did a fairly good job of tying everything together. Moffat's singular efforts were significantly better, but I don't know if he'll be able to tie things together as well as Davies did.

      I'd say you're pretty spot-on with your other assessment as well, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt first. Just because he has an emo look now, doens't necessarily mean he'll keep it for his role as the doctor. Either way, I think Tennant will be a hard act to follow.

    7. Re:IMDB link by beonarri · · Score: 0

      Sheesh, he looks like a young (Friday the 13th) Kevin Bacon.

    8. Re:IMDB link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are American audiences familiar with anything outside their own country? Did you know who Ecclestone or Tennant were before Who?

    9. Re:IMDB link by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but you're mixing up your spacetime continuum.

      *ahem* - "continua"

      Unless you're referring to a singular, but it really looked plural in that sentence.

    10. Re:IMDB link by ChangelingJane · · Score: 1

      You must be new to America.

    11. Re:IMDB link by chartreuse · · Score: 1

      Eccleston played the bum who quotes Boethius in 24-Hour Party People.

    12. Re:IMDB link by Joseph+Hayes · · Score: 1

      Moffat.... wasn't he the writer for a series called "Jekkyl"? ... as in Dr. and Mr. Hyde? I just finished watching the series on Netflix and loved it... I finished it in a day in fact. I'm pushing up 30 this year and my little brother is a Dr. Who fanatic, so I started watching it on Netflix as well... just haven't gotten into it yet, but I'm still giving it a shot. There is an air of familiarity to it, I can remember the theme song from when Dad would watch it back in the 80's. Anyway... Moffat did a fine job on Jekkyl, just giving props or something I guess.

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    13. Re:IMDB link by Golias · · Score: 1

      Tennant was a villain in a Harry Potter film, so some Americans knew him from that.

      But Blackpool and Casanova had not been broadcast in the US (and, as far as I know, still haven't). Can't really blame American audiences for not seeing stuff that hasn't shown up on their TV's.

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    14. Re:IMDB link by iainl · · Score: 1

      It's not that he hasn't done much, but that a fair bit has been on the stage, which the IMDb doesn't track properly. He got great reviews for his performances in That Face and Swimming With Sharks recently, and before that was in The History Boys.

      The Moff seems happy with the guy, so I'm willing to remain optimistic until we actually see some episodes.

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    15. Re:IMDB link by Uncle+Warthog · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure about Blackpool, but Casanova has been broadcast in the US. Also, as far as I know, Ruby in the Smoke has been broadcast recently here in the US.

  7. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by Deltaspectre · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The same thing as when they were faced with parallel universes that under any circumstances can never be crossed, because it's utterly impossible and ooh let's have Rose appear in another episode and Mickey cross over.... whoops

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  8. K-9 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More importantly, when are they bringing back K-9?

    1. Re:K-9 by click2005 · · Score: 1

      K-9 is in Sarah Jane Adventures

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    2. Re:K-9 by click2005 · · Score: 1

      Oops, those were only cameo appearances. K-9 is getting his own show.

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    3. Re:K-9 by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Some 'physics experiment in Swizerland' created a Black Hole. K-9 is in a safe in Sarah Jane Smith's house, with the black hole, attempting to stabilise it. He occasionally orbits near the door, but he is rather occupied for a while. The one Romana took with her to Gallifrey presumably died in the great time war.

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    4. Re:K-9 by Ubergrendle · · Score: 1

      I think bringing Lala Ward back as some jaded, vicious, maniacal time lord bitter at having been jilted by the Doctor would be an AWESOME plot arc. Not sure if she'd play the part again, but it would bring some gravitas to the pantheon of villans for the Doctor.

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    5. Re:K-9 by tuffy · · Score: 1

      Erm, Leela kept K-9 mark 1 when she stayed on Gallifrey and presumably died there. Romana kept K-9 mark 2 when she stayed in E-space.

      Just a minor quibble.

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    6. Re:K-9 by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 1

      Will it be a variety show? K-9 interviews a few celebrities, and once in a while, Tom Baker shows up to prank call random people and talk about the TARDIS?

    7. Re:K-9 by Golias · · Score: 1

      K-9 has been "getting his own show" for about 20 years now.

      What nobody seems to be able to get past is the fact that it's a really, really stupid idea. You might as well give Eddie his own spin-off from Frasier.

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    8. Re:K-9 by Lally+Singh · · Score: 1

      I think it'd be more fun if we used the Lala from TikiBarTV, but maybe that's just me.

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    9. Re:K-9 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What nobody seems to be able to get past is the fact that it's a really, really stupid idea. You might as well give Eddie his own spin-off from Frasier.

      I agree with you. I guess K-9's popularity lately is largely due to Russel T Davis. He resurrected Doctor Who and created 2 spin-off shows but
      hes also the biggest problem with the shows too. In trying to make it appeal to a wider audience hes ruined what made it so good in the first place.
      Its become a mediocre kids show that markets well and helps Cardiff but has no real substance. Its a shame but Doctor Who will never be great while
      hes running things.

      Enough with the shitty old enemies.. After the 'time war' I thought they were going to be doing new things and new enemies but all they're doing now
      is bringing back all the dreadful old enemies. Just let the daleks & cybermen die already.

      Hes supposed to be a master of time and space.. so why does he end up in fucking Cardiff nearly every time in victorian times? Yes we all know Cardiff looks old now
      but try leaving the planet once in a while. And not just stuck in some stupid 6ftx8ft CGI set either. The universe is a big place.

  9. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems like they have been burning through regenerations in the latter Dr. Who series. What are they gonna do when they hit twelve? No more Dr. Who?

    Yeah for a near immortal race they sure don't live long. One regeneration barely lasted a season and the last one only lasted a few years.

  10. 12 Regenerations? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    It wont matter, they will just 'reset' it somehow.

    It is TV remember, not reality.

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    1. Re:12 Regenerations? by gustar · · Score: 1

      Yes I know its fiction/TV but there should still be some pressure to keep consistent within whatever rules supposedly govern the fictional universe.

      As other have pointed out though, the latter Dr. who serious have not been very good at do this.

    2. Re:12 Regenerations? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Master was given an extra set of regenerations by the Time Lords for... something. The Sisterhood of Karn had the secret to true immortality, but the Time Lords rejected it because they realised that immortality lead to a static society. Without the Time Lord rules against it being enforced, there's nothing stopping The Doctor from regenerating more than 12 times. There is a lot of evidence in the series that the limit of 12 was artificial - to encourage Time Lords to savour their lives and then move on to make way for a new generations.

      Allowing infinite regenerations could easily be done without breaking continuity, but it would destroy the show by making the Doctor's death totally meaningless. There are lots of ways of extending the number of regenerations too. It is implied several times that regeneration is something that only happens to Time Lords who are joined with time capsules. The TARDIS is presumably not connected to the Eye of Harmony (the black hole contained on Galifrey) anymore, so the amount of energy it can provide for regeneration might be more or less than normal.

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    3. Re:12 Regenerations? by syousef · · Score: 2, Funny

      Allowing infinite regenerations could easily be done without breaking continuity, but it would destroy the show by making the Doctor's death totally meaningless.

      Kinda like playing Zork.

      It is dark. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
      > West
      Game over. You have been eaten by a grue. Start again? Y or N?
      > Y
      It is dark. You are likely to be eaten by a grue. ...

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    4. Re:12 Regenerations? by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      According to what The Master did, he refused a regeneration even if he had more left. Rumor has it his lifeforce and Timelord DNA are in the ring he left behind. That ring can activated and steal a body like when The Master stole Tremas' body for his 13th regeneration.

      Also the original show had The Doctor in his 12th regeneration as evil, more evil than The Master.

      The Doctor is clever enough to find a way to grant himself more regenerations.

      It is debatable if Galifrey still exists in some form or can be renewed again. All The Doctor need do is violate the laws of time and travel back to save it or stop the Dalek invasion before it reaches Galifrey. I am also having a theory that Romana still exists with her own TARDIS and K9 unit and has 10 regenerations left, and she could take over for The Doctor or even The Doctor's daughter from that DNA clone can take over. I have a theory that other Time Lords still exist but are unaccounted for. Since The Daleks survived, chances are some Time Lords survived as well.

      Someone set up the time agency that Captain Jack Harkness is a part of, maybe they were Junior Timelords who left Galifrey to set up the Time Agency?

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    5. Re:12 Regenerations? by vectorious · · Score: 1

      The Valeyard (whom I assume you mean by the 12th regen being evil) was from between the 12th and 13th doctors, not a regen in himself.

    6. Re:12 Regenerations? by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Allowing infinite regenerations could easily be done without breaking continuity

      I read a quote somewhere where Steven Moffat (who I think is now the head writer or executive producer or something) said something to the extent of (this isn't a word-for-word quote), "It's impossible to break continuity when you're writing a story about a time-traveling alien. You can always explain that there was a change in the timeline, or a fluctuation in space-time."

      I'm sure he was joking to some extent, but it's a pretty good point. Even if they want to break continuity, they can always do that without really breaking continuity.

    7. Re:12 Regenerations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The books explain why the twelfth Doctor will not be evil. He forgave himself for killing himself off to cause a regeneration. See? Don't you follow anything? :)

  11. Time For A Woman? by notseamus · · Score: 1

    Apart from that, he was good in The Ruby In The Smoke (and it was a more faithful adaptation than The Golden Compass =X)

    Although, would her memories of "romance" with women be erased or carried through?

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    1. Re:Time For A Woman? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Joanna Lumley played an unofficial 13th doctor in "The Curse of Fatal Death". Since it was a one-off charity special, I don't think it's cannon though...

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  12. Found some pics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  13. Last regeneration = Baby Jesus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's getting younger and younger every time.

  14. Watched the interview on youtube and.... by Danathar · · Score: 1

    I like how changing actors re-ignites the show every so often. Kinda like Batman but in with an explanation that fits. :)

    His personality during the interview strikes me as VERY compelling. Hope he can pull it off.

    Strange thing is, seems more people in the U.S. seem to know about Torchwood than Doctor Who. My mother loves Torchwood.

    1. Re:Watched the interview on youtube and.... by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 1

      I've noticed this too. It is kinda odd. I suppose Torchwood fills a gap left by X Files, maybe. I'm surprised that Hex didn't catch on in the US.

      As for Batman. I don't know. I always thought that Val Kilmer and George Clooney not being Batman was self-explanatory. :D

  15. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by larryau · · Score: 2, Informative

    If I remember that question was asked a long time ago. If I remember correctly the producers answered by reminding people about the "Keepers of Traken" story. It was with the introduction of Nysaa's character. I think it was episode 18. The story had the "Master" returning and he had used up all of his 12 regeneration but found a way to extend his regenerations. So I think the good Dr. has a way.

  16. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by GaryOlson · · Score: 3, Funny

    You have to remember there used to be more Time Lords in the universe. Now with fewer Time Lords, in order for the number of regenerations to remain constant, The Dr must regenerate more often. Otherwise, we could see a localized destabilization with the accumulated regeneration energies normally expended.

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  17. Damn... by bradgoodman · · Score: 1
    I never watched the show before Tennant - but I really like him. He has this fabulous quirky quality about him.

    I never heard about this whole "regeneration" thing before. I am not exactly an expert on the show - I never watched it before 6 months ago - and have just been watching reruns out-of-order, but am completely hooked.

    Anyway - I think it will be hard for someone else to measure up to Tennant!

    1. Re:Damn... by gustar · · Score: 1

      Ha, if you think Tennant is good, check the older incarnations of Dr. Who such as Tom Baker!

    2. Re:Damn... by Mistshadow2k4 · · Score: 1

      I'm with you there. I'd heard of Dr. Who before Tennant but had barely seen anything of it. His wacky-but-wise take on the Doctor was part of what got me into it. Now I've watched quite a bit of the older series too. Tennant would undoubtedly say that it was how good the whole series is that won me over, but if he hadn't been such a great Doctor the show wouldn't have held my interest long enough so that I would want to watch any of the older stuff.

      And it just seems WEIRD for the next Doctor to be played by an actor who is 11 years younger than me! Like another poster said, it's appears to be getting dangerously close to being one of those "only the young and beautiful allowed" Hollywood-style shows.'Course, Tennant is considered to be hot as hell too, almost like Johnny Depp over here. Let's hope it doesn't devolve into that.

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    3. Re:Damn... by MrBandersnatch · · Score: 1

      Anyway - I think it will be hard for someone else to measure up to Tennant!

      They say this every regeneration. I remember when they were saying no-one would be able to measure upto Tom Baker; then Peter Davidson; then....oh yeah :(

    4. Re:Damn... by ricebowl · · Score: 1

      Do you have a geek card? Is it still probationary? I don't know how old you are, obviously, but I find it hard to believe that people on /. aren't familiar with the old, 'classic,' series. Mind you, I just hit thirty so this might be a case of 'get off my lawn!'

      If it is, you have my sincere apologies.

      For my part no one's ever lived up to Troughton (second Doctor), Davison (fifth Doctor) or Baker (Tom, fourth Doctor).

      Eccleston was great, and he made it work again on BBC primetime after a hiatus of decades, but he still didn't have the joie de Vivre I associate with the Doctor as well as the melancholy.

      I hope that Smith makes it work, or makes the role memorably his, but...I'm not yet convinced it's going to go well...But, as I said, it's possibly just a 'get off my lawn!'....sorry...

    5. Re:Damn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyway - I think it will be hard for someone else to measure up to Tennant!

      Well, he did play Casanova once, /nudgewink

    6. Re:Damn... by YttriumOxide · · Score: 1

      Fully agree about Troughton - not my favourite, but definitely in the top few. It's such a shame that no-one who hasn't seen those episodes will get to experience them again - most of Troughton's episodes are "lost" (as are a few of Hartnell's, however much fewer). I have every episode of every Doctor in my collection, and for the "lost" episodes I have reconstructions. The reconstructions are okay for reminiscing, but I wouldn't expect someone who hadn't seen the original to get in to it at all.

      If someone had some of these lost episodes somewhere, there'd actually be VERY good money in making it known.

      For the record, my Doctor Who watching days began about mid-way through Troughton, and I started "never wanting to miss an episode" around mid-way through Pertwee. I'd rank them in order of my favourite to least favourite as:

      1. David Tennant (10th)
      2. Tom Baker (4th)
      3. Patrick Troughton (2nd)
      4. Jon Pertwee (3rd)
      5. Peter Davison (5th)
      6. William Hartnell (1st)
      7. Sylvester McCoy (7th)
      8. Christopher Eccleston (9th)
      9. Paul McGann (8th - TV Movie)
      10. Colin Baker (6th)

      Choosing between McCoy and Eccleston was actually difficult, because I honestly do think McCoy was a better actor and a better Doctor, but Eccleston DID manage to re-kickstart the "feel" of the Doctor after such a long break, which would've been very difficult for anyone to manage I think.

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  18. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by Angostura · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not to mention the little fact that Gallifrey is no more. Who knows what changes the Time Wars(tm) unleashed.

  19. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by BikeHelmet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regeneration_(Doctor_Who)#In_the_series

    The BBC's Series 4 FAQ suggests that now the Time Lord social order has been destroyed, the Doctor may be able to circumvent the limit on regenerations; it says: "Now that his people are gone, who knows? Time Lords used to have 13 lives.

    In "The Sound of Drums" (2007) the Master is revealed to have been granted a new body by the Time Lords during the Time War with at least one new regeneration. Non-Gallifreyans are also seen to regenerate in Underworld (1978) and Mawdryn Undead (1983), but with adverse side effects.

    Sounds to me like regeneration is a socially-imposed limit to keep them from living forever. ;)

    But they aren't immortal... found this interesting tidbit:

    In The Mind of Evil the Master points a conventional firearm at the Doctor and threatens to "put a bullet through both your hearts", while in "Forest of the Dead", Professor Song warns that an impending electrocution would stop both the Time Lord's hearts, killing him. From these, it is apparent that a Time Lord can die if both his hearts stop.

    This quote also further supports it:

    The TARDIS appears to assist in the regenerative process. In addition to the second Doctor's explicit statement to this effect shortly after regenerating from the first, regenerating outside the TARDIS has never been shown to go particularly well. Of the four occasions on which this has happened, one is forced on him by the Time Lords (The War Games), one requires a Time Lord to give the Doctor's cells a "little push" to start the process (Planet of the Spiders), one needs the TARDIS's "Zero Room", a chamber sealed from all outside forces, to help him recover (Castrovalva) and the last occurs a few hours after he has actually "died" (The 1996 television movie). That last regeneration remains the only one that takes place significantly far away from the TARDIS, without any obvious interaction from other Time Lords, though it may be noted that in The Doctor's Daughter, Jenny - a woman created from the Tenth Doctor's DNA - dies and later reanimates in a process that has some apparent similarities to a regeneration, some time after the TARDIS leaves her planet.

    All these + more indicate that the limit may not be a physical one.

    Another:

    In "Last of the Time Lords", the Master and the Doctor demonstrate that regeneration is not an automatic process (or the process is automatic but the Time Lord undergoing it can halt the regeneration at will) as, despite the Doctor's pleas for him to regenerate, the Master instead chooses to die after being shot by Lucy Saxon

    It's quite possible that it's a socially imposed limit - that is, multiple timelords can collectively decide whether you get to regenerate or not.

  20. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by meringuoid · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Seems like they have been burning through regenerations in the latter Dr. Who series. What are they gonna do when they hit twelve? No more Dr. Who?

    Twelve regenerations was never a biological limit; it was something imposed by the Gallifreyan leadership. ISTR that once they offered the Master an extra set of regenerations, in exchange for doing some of their dirty work. Now that the other Time Lords have been exterminated, who's to say there can't be a Fourteenth Doctor?

    As for the regeneration rate, the Ninth was short-lived, but the Tenth has had a good long innings. He first appeared in 2005 in the final episode of the first new series, and is scheduled to regenerate in early 2010. So... four or five years. That's quite long for a Doctor. The First did three years, so did the Second and the Fifth. The Third did four, the Sixth two, the Seventh two (well, nine, but he was off the air for most of that), the Eighth and Ninth one each (again, the Eighth technically nine years, same objection).

    It's only really Tom Baker who's outdone Tennant in terms of years in the TARDIS. And since he has an enormous TV fanbase from Blackpool, Casanova and Doctor Who, and has lately proved himself to considerable acclaim on the legitimate stage as Hamlet, I imagine he thinks it's about time to move on to some extremely lucrative roles.

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  21. He may be untried, but have hope by GMFTatsujin · · Score: 1

    Matt Smith's resume is admittedly short, giving some people pause as to whether he's got the acting chops to sustain the role of Doctor Who.

    However, it should be pointed out that this one goes to 11.

  22. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by gustar · · Score: 1

    Wow, I bow my head in respect to all those who's mastery of Whovian lore far exceeds mine!

  23. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by Steve001 · · Score: 1

    larryau wrote:

    If I remember that question was asked a long time ago. If I remember correctly the producers answered by reminding people about the "Keepers of Traken" story. It was with the introduction of Nysaa's character. I think it was episode 18. The story had the "Master" returning and he had used up all of his 12 regeneration but found a way to extend his regenerations. So I think the good Dr. has a way.

    The way the Master extended his life (his decayed appearance in the first series before his apparent regeneration was because [1] he was at the end of his last life or [2] a half-failed attempt at a 13th regeneration) was due to him taking over the body of another (much like he did in the Fox Dr. Who movie), so it wasn't a true regeneration although it does give him a way to extend his life indefinitely.

    One thing that has cut the Doctor's life short is that he has been using up his regenerations much more rapidly than a typical timelord (since the First Doctor was 650 years old when he first appeared, he could have lived least 8,450 years). The story "Silver Nemesis" (the 25th anniversary story) indicated that there is far more to The Doctor than we know, so it is likely that this will give the writers a way to give him a new set of regenerations.

    One thing I'm looking forward to is the future appearance of The Valyard.

  24. emo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The new doc looks like an emo. Disturbing.

  25. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by meringuoid · · Score: 2, Funny

    Lore? Join the 21st century. Nobody memorises things these days. I looked up the dates on Wikipedia :-)

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  26. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by gustar · · Score: 2, Funny

    I am boycotting the 21st century. Maybe if it gets better I'll participate but until then I'm sticking with my tomes, and abacus.

  27. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by eclectro · · Score: 1

    What are they gonna do when they hit twelve? No more Dr. Who?

    Captain Kirk will be brought in. Someone that can be trusted to get the job done once and for all.

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  28. Still... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think Seth Rogen should be The Doctor. He'd be awesome in that role.

  29. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by digitig · · Score: 1

    Now that the other Time Lords have been exterminated, who's to say there can't be a Fourteenth Doctor?

    Which brings me to something that has puzzled me throughout the "new" Doctor Who. Just when is this "now" when the other Time Lords have been exterminated? Isn't there something about being a Time Lord that means they can move through time? And haven't the times in the new series overlapped the times in the old series when the other Time Lords had not been wiped out?

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  30. Audience age? by xaxa · · Score: 1

    How old are all you /.ers saying you love Dr Who? Hardly anyone I know that's over 25 watches it, unless they watch it with their children.

    I find it dull -- it's random running around shouting and special effects without any depth to the plot.

    1. Re:Audience age? by Borg453b · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've watched fair share of scifi, being 31 and while I've known of doctor Who before i was a teenager, I never got around to watch it. I recently picked up the relaunch with the 9th doctor, and having my watched my way in to "new" season 4, I have to say that I'm fairly hooked. To me, the series is a sort of mix between douglas adams and startrek. It's quirky and playful; but the universe has depth and play's with interesting themes; and I find the general writing very good.

      You have to accept the humerous take on aliens and the countless "impending" dooms - that's part and parcel of the show; and there's a lot of humerous meta-references involved.

      You wouldnt believe how many characters croak; and while it's done tough-in-cheek, it also manages to be full of suspense. I dont recall seeing this kind of "body count" in any other series.

      Watch the episode "Blink" - though somewhat different from your "average" episode - I found it more exciting than most sci-fi movies that I have seen recently.

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    2. Re:Audience age? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      32 and I STOPPED watching in the early 90s with the worst of all doctors and his side kick "Ace". That's when it got really lame. At least Tennant made a good doctor, even if the writing etc has still not returned to the standard of the good ol' days. Anyone asked Joss Whedon if he'd like to have a go at lifting the standard of stories and dialogue?

    3. Re:Audience age? by schon · · Score: 1

      32 and I STOPPED watching in the early 90s with the worst of all doctors and his side kick "Ace".

      Soo.. you stopped watching several years after the program had ended? Isn't that kinda like saying "I hated that movie so much I walked out twenty minutes after the final credits had rolled, when the ushers were sweeping the isles!"

    4. Re:Audience age? by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      How old are all you /.ers saying you love Dr Who? Hardly anyone I know that's over 25 watches it, unless they watch it with their children.

      Interesting. I have half a dozen old and dear friends between the ages of 39-42. Every last one of them watches the show religiously. Well, one of them is more likely to miss it than the rest of us -- that'd be the one with children. Couple of work-friends in their mid-thirties watch it too. One of my work friends does not -- he's 21.

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    5. Re:Audience age? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I hated that movie so much I walked out twenty minutes after the final credits had rolled, when the ushers were sweeping the isles!"

      Oh wow, in the olden days, the ushers were road sweepers for Britain too?

      (aisles)

    6. Re:Audience age? by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Funny

      You wouldnt believe how many characters croak; and while it's done tough-in-cheek, it also manages to be full of suspense. I dont recall seeing this kind of "body count" in any other series

      Scrubs. But Zach Braff would make a terrible Doctor.

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    7. Re:Audience age? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seconded. "Blink" is absolutely the BEST recent episode.

      I was actually just about to watch it. =)

    8. Re:Audience age? by xaxa · · Score: 1

      I wonder if the gap (20-somethings) is because we didn't watch it as children? There was a series in 1989, then a gap until 2005. I was too young in 1989 to watch it, and the show felt too childish when I watched one in 2005.

    9. Re:Audience age? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm 39.

      I started watching it when I was about 12, and never stopped. It's always been my favorite show, even through the crap writing of the Sylvester McCoy / Colin Baker years.

    10. Re:Audience age? by Golias · · Score: 1

      I was too young in 1989 to watch it, and the show felt too childish when I watched one in 2005.

      I think you need to give it more than one episode to get a sense of how good the show is, kid.

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    11. Re:Audience age? by dwye · · Score: 1

      > you stopped watching several years after the program had ended?

      Only if the AC was also in Britain. Most of us in the USA had to watch it if and when our Public (aka Educational) stations bought the reruns. I saw most of Dr Who during the period when it was off the air, over there.

    12. Re:Audience age? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Not to mention House but Hugh Laurie WOULD make a GREAT doctor.

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    13. Re:Audience age? by fatphil · · Score: 1

      I'm 37, and, being a Brit, I watched all the old ones as they were aired. First memories are of Tom Baker, in particular the Seeds of Doom. (Calculate my age then!) Turned off mid Colin Baker.

      My g/f is 35, and, being a Yank, remembers reruns shown on American stations from the 80s. Her first memories are therefore of Jon Pertwee, thus predating mine, when it was aired in the 80s some time. (We have her (parents') VHS videos of those, and still watch them.)

      Your conclusion is a fair one much of the time. If you can put up with very low budget 60s/70s sci-fi, I recommend you watch the early ones, and get a feel for its roots. You may find it slow and clunky, which it often was, but in it certainly had more character than much of today's stuff.

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    14. Re:Audience age? by fatphil · · Score: 1

      Strangely, upon watching all doctors from Jon Pertwee to the current day over the last few years, I've come to the conclusion that, while his lows were dreadful, McCoy wasn't actually all that bad. I don't remember him first time round, as I turned off mid-Colin. I can't remember any particular stories where McCoy was solid (I never remember names of anything), alas, but can follow up to this in 3 or 4 years time when I get round to watching them again ;-)

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  31. Doctor-ness by hwyhobo · · Score: 0, Troll

    It was abundantly clear that he had that 'Doctor-ness' about him

    He certainly does look weird, in a sickly, pervy way. Perhaps that will translate into an intriguing character, if they intend to write some episodes involving sex with corpses.

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  32. What ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will be 11th Doctor Who... WHAT ???

  33. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by CuteSteveJobs · · Score: 1

    > If anyone knows why my comments recently started appearing with score 1, despite "Excellent" karma, I'd love to hear.

    You should call your mother.

  34. Wow, looks like a total wanker by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

    http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45343000/jpg/_45343466_newdocotr226.jpg

    I fear greatly for the future of the show. Please get that man a haircut.

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    1. Re:Wow, looks like a total wanker by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Please get that man a haircut.

      The current look seems to be "half a flock of seagulls"

      I like how the filename is misspelled, too. Sharp tacks over there.

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    2. Re:Wow, looks like a total wanker by nick.ian.k · · Score: 1

      I fear greatly for the future of the show. Please get that man a haircut.

      You watch Doctor Who for hair styles?

    3. Re:Wow, looks like a total wanker by Plug · · Score: 1

      What, you mean you don't want Andy Samberg playing the Doctor?

  35. Deus Ex Machina by CuteSteveJobs · · Score: 2, Funny

    > here are lots of ways of extending the number of regenerations too ... implied ... regeneration ... Time Lords who are joined with time capsules ... connected to the Eye of Harmony ... the black hole ... so the amount of energy

    Here's an idea. We have a special-combo episode where the TARDIS meets The Enterprise whose crew beam aboard with Chief Scientific Officer Deus Ex Machina who adlibs technobabble, not just giving the doctor as many regens as the BBC needs but tying up all the plot holes since the series began. Everyone knows Tie ins help ratings and since Dr Who is increasingly a "Beautiful People" show, what about one with Bay Watch too?

  36. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by westlake · · Score: 1
    in The Doctor's Daughter, Jenny - a woman created from the Tenth Doctor's DNA - dies and later reanimates in a process that has some apparent similarities to a regeneration

    Why not continue the series with Jenny as the Doctor?

    Inexperienced. Unpredictable.

    Determined to find her own way. But perhaps less content to see the Time Lords simply disappear from all of history.

    In her first (or second) incarnation and not certain she'll be granted another. It opens up the story in new and interesting ways.

  37. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by Galrion · · Score: 2, Informative

    "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear non-subjective view point, it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimey...stuff." -- The Tenth Doctor.

  38. Try the youtube video instead.. by denzacar · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhmWRjo7gKI
    It comes with sound of voice, facial gestures, gesticulation etc.

     
    Hair is still annoying though, head still looks way too big for the body, and he appears way too young for the role.
    It somehow just ain't right for the Docta to be younger than yours truly.
    Now I know how Frank Miller felt when he realized that he was older than Batman.

    But at least the guy still has his own nose.
    If he was an Hollywood actor, half of it would be gone by now, and he would look even less like someone who treats bodies like I do jackets.

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  39. Sonic pacifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Couldn't agree more, as much as RTD should be praised for resurrecting doctor who in the first place he has been responsible for some of the most hammy and poorly scripted episodes.
    I know we shouldn't hold the new doctor's age against him but, if they keep up the trend, our twelfth doctor will be as many years old.

  40. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by pjbgravely · · Score: 1

    The time war was time sealed. It appears the Daleks and the Time Lord disappeared from the time line when they entered the lock.

    Of course it seems strange to see them in time past that point only because time is made up of wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff.

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  41. John Smith, his name should've been John Smith by davidwr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Oh for the love of Rassilon why didn't his parents name him John?

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  42. Female Dr. Who? by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 1

    There had been some suggestions in the U.K. that maybe they should have a female Dr. Who this time around. That could have been interesting.

    The names floating around included Helen Mirren and Judi Dench. Imposing, powerful women. Just the way it should be.

    ...laura

    1. Re:Female Dr. Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it was quite well defined that there are male and female timelords when a female timelords was generated from the doctors dna. males can not regenerate into females, nor vise-versa.

    2. Re:Female Dr. Who? by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 1

      I'd personally go for Jenny Agutter myself, but with long hair again and not the chop she had when she was in Spooks. Any fans?

    3. Re:Female Dr. Who? by trytoguess · · Score: 1

      Nothing wrong with powerful imposing women, but the Doctor never struck me as a either expect in extremely dire situations.

    4. Re:Female Dr. Who? by mark_hill97 · · Score: 1

      When Eccleston's doctor regenerated into Tennant's doctor he specifically said "Will I be a male or a female?" This should be proof that a doctor can regenerate into a female form.

    5. Re:Female Dr. Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anne Widdecombe!

    6. Re:Female Dr. Who? by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      it was quite well defined that there are male and female timelords when a female timelords was generated from the doctors dna.

      Plus, y'know, Romana.

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    7. Re:Female Dr. Who? by Golias · · Score: 1

      There had been some suggestions in the U.K. that maybe
      they should have a female Dr. Who this time around. That could
      have been interesting.

      The names floating around included Helen Mirren
      and Judi Dench. Imposing, powerful women. Just the
      way it should be.

      ...laura

      People throw that around EVERY time there's buzz about a regeneration. It used to be that everybody wanted Joanna Lumley to do it.

      In the charity-broadcast parody "Curse of the Fatal Death", they threw in a lot of the "popular" choices for the role in rapid succession, including Lumley, Hugh Grant, James Broadbent, etc.

      Worth a download, if you can find it.

      By a funny coincidence, that parody was written by Peter Moffat, the guy who is taking over the helm of Dr. Who in 2010.

      The thing is, gender is such a huge part of a person's identity that I don't know how well it would work to have him change into a woman. The Doctor is not human, but he is clearly a male of his species.

      Would audiences perceive a "female" Doctor as simply a new aspect of the same person? Would regenerating into a feminine form re-define the Doctor as a transsexual? Are the writers even remotely interested in dealing with such questions, or would it get in the way of the real mission of telling thrilling time-travel stories?

      My two personal favorite picks for the last ten years has remained unchanged: Either Stephen Fry or Lenny Henry. Neither seems likely at this point to ever get to do it, but you won't hear me complaining. Doctors 9 and 10 have been nothing short of sensational, in my opinion, and I have high hopes for 11.

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    8. Re:Female Dr. Who? by PotatoFiend · · Score: 0

      I haven't posted in months, but I have to break my silence on this. Jenny Agutter -- HELL YES!

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    9. Re:Female Dr. Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -1, gross

      +1, strangely erotic

  43. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

    In the episode with the Master in the third series, it spans a whole year and while they do travel back in travel to reverse the damage the Master had done, the Doctor has still lived another year so chalk that up on the wall. Let's also remember that for most regenerations we don't know the length of the gaps in years. The 8th doctor was on screen for only an hour but how long did he actually live for, same with the 9th?

  44. Re:What? by gustar · · Score: 1

    While pouring hot grits down your trousers?

  45. Whoops by DonkeySpew · · Score: 1

    Am I the only dyslexic fool that was a little confused that the role was being given to the Fresh Prince.

    1. Re:Whoops by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 1

      That's just silly. The Fresh Prince can't possibly play the Doctor. Everybody knows he's busy being Mr. Miyagi for the new Karate Kid!

    2. Re:Whoops by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 2, Funny

      Will Smith would make an excellent Doctor. He'd do a rap solo every episode and remix the theme music to a hiphop/rap version. Plus he would wear sunglasses and dress up in the latest rap or hiphop fashions. Every planet he visits he is street smart. Plus they would have to cast Alfonso Ribeiro as his companion Carlton for comic relief. Carlton would get The Doctor and his female companion into trouble, and then The Doctor has to figure a way out of that trouble, all the while lecturing to Carlton that he needs to grow up and stop being such a dork.

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    3. Re:Whoops by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 1

      *sigh*

      So once again DJ Jazzy Jeff is left being only able to afford microwave popcorn for dinner because Will won't get him into television?

    4. Re:Whoops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DALEKS? AWWW HELL NO!

  46. Tenth Doctor taking to the fifth Doctor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You know, I loved being you. Back when I first started, at the very beginning, I was always trying to be old and grumpy and important - like you do, when you're young. And then I was you, and it was all dashing about and playing cricket and my voice going all squeaky when I shouted."

  47. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by Tekoneiric · · Score: 1

    It's possible that the 12 regeneration limit was imposed by the time lord council, no council, no limit. They had the power to grant extra regenerations so it's a plausible explanation. Especially considering that the Master was given an extra regeneration then was able to regenerate on his own after that.

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  48. Holy Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Some 'physics experiment in Swizerland' created a Black Hole.

    Is that what they call it these days? I thought it was somebody's mother had one too many hot dogs.

    > K-9 is in a safe in Sarah Jane Smith's house, with the black hole, attempting to stabilise it. He occasionally orbits near the door, but he is rather occupied for a while. The one Romana took with her to Gallifrey presumably died in the great time war.

    That sounds suspiciously like you believe it...

  49. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by crossmr · · Score: 1

    Burning through, from TFA:

    1. William Hartnell (1963-1966)
    2. Patrick Troughton (1966-1969)
    3. Jon Pertwee (1970-1974)
    4. Tom Baker (1974-1981)
    5. Peter Davison - pictured (1982-1984)
    6. Colin Baker (1984-1986)
    7. Sylvester McCoy (1987-1996)
    8. Paul McGann (1996)
    9. Christopher Eccleston (2005)
    10. David Tennant (2005-2010)
    11. Matt Smith (2010 - ?)

    How long have the spans lasted pre new series:
    3, 3, 4, 7, 2, 2, 1
    new series:
    1, 4, ?

    I wouldn't exactly call that "burning through"
    the previous average was around 3 2/3 years. We have a smaller data set in the new series, but depending on how long #11 lasts, there is no reason to think they're being "burned through".
     

  50. A shame they should have picked William Shatner by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    as the next Doctor Who. It would have been an interesting twist to the show. It also would have bridged the Star Trek and Doctor Who brands.

    Maybe they offered it to Shatner, who turned it down because he would have had to give up his Priceline.com commercials. :)

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    1. Re:A shame they should have picked William Shatner by lewko · · Score: 1

      That would have been awesome.

      I can just imagine him blowing up a bunch of Daleks, then winking at Davros and saying "Doctor Who".

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    2. Re:A shame they should have picked William Shatner by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

      Either that or saying "Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaavros!"

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  51. Re:What? by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    Requirements for female companions of The Doctor:

    #1 Look young and sexy.
    #2 Scream their heads off when the enemy attacks.
    #3 Non-Violent even to Daleks, feels sad when the Dalek is in prison and has to touch it, which gives the Dalek powers and allows it to break free and try to kill her. So while the Dalek is trying to kill her, she tries to reason with it talking about pacifism and things the Dalek does not understand.
    #4 Has to fall in love with The Doctor even if he is 500 years older than she is, any hanky panky has to be offscreen though.
    #5 When the plot requires it she either becomes a Time Goddess or get's The Doctor's memories in her brain, which burns her up unless The Doctor can sacrifice himself or make her forget those memories to save her.
    #6 When The Doctor is kidnapped, instead of being non-violent all of a sudden she agrees with others to activate a stargem bomb despite being a pacifist her entire life.
    #7 Becomes something like Bad Wolf which is repeated throughout time and she does not understand it until she almost dies and then sends those messages to herself and The Doctor throughout time as a warning. Even if she knows she already got the message and didn't know what it meant.

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  52. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by StarManta.Mini · · Score: 1

    You really think they're going to let a throwaway line from 2 decades ago end one of their most popular series? It's easy to get around - for example, that was a rule enforced by the Time Lords, who are no more.

  53. Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dr Who?

  54. He's not that young by Drunken_Piper · · Score: 1

    He might be young but he's still older than I. By one year to be exact.

    1. Re:He's not that young by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fascinating. Do go on.

  55. Boredom is the first step to relapse. by BlahSnarto · · Score: 1

    I guess im the only one who read this as "Kevin Smith Will Be 11th Doctor Who"

  56. A limerick for The Doctor by TheMiddleRoad · · Score: 1

    It looks The Doctor to be
    has weird hair on a spazz body
    His tics do impress
    a strong Doctorness
    But Eccleston did it for me.

  57. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which one are you then?

  58. wow by the_fat_kid · · Score: 1

    I bow low before your four digit UID and massive Dr. who knowledge.

    your nerd credentials are impeccable.

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  59. Missed oppertunity by Zoxed · · Score: 1

    I am not trying to be PC, but the Beeb missed a great chance to cast a female doctor with a male assistant. They could have written a whole raft of lame jokes about this body change !!

    1. Re:Missed oppertunity by Golias · · Score: 1

      Those jokes pretty much write themselves.

      Which is exactly why they should never do it.

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    2. Re:Missed oppertunity by NeuroManson · · Score: 1

      They actually DID do that in one of the comedy spoofs of Doctor Who, I forgot which one. The Doctor gets gunned down and becomes a hero to the Daleks and The Master, and somehow regenerates a thirteenth time, to become a woman. At least that's what I could recall.

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  60. Nominative Determinism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who is he? Never heard of him. Perhaps he has a PhD.

  61. Stephen Moffat by NickFortune · · Score: 3, Informative

    Really this choice has everything to do with Steven Moffatt, the new head writer of the show, and what he wants to do with the character

    Good point.

    There was a special episode of "Dr Who Confidential" last night, just to announce the new Doctor, and it had interviews with RTD, Stephen Moffat and Matt Smith.

    Stephen Moffat said that he started auditions determined to cast an older Doctor this time, but that it soon became overwhelmingly apparent that Matt Smith was the one for the role. Something about being able to handle the dramatic bits and the quirky mercurial aspects, and being able to switch between them fairly easily.

    They had a couple of clips from Smith's earlier roles; not much to judge by, but I think I can see what he's getting at.

    It's going to be interesting to see how he handles the role

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    1. Re:Stephen Moffat by pbhj · · Score: 1

      It would be interesting to get the list of people who were in screen tests for the part ... strange that you'd set out to cast an older actor and call a younger one for screening? Perhaps they did it age blind based on shoe size??

    2. Re:Stephen Moffat by NickFortune · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they did it age blind based on shoe size??

      Well, that's not what Moffat actually said, but I suppose anything's possible.

      The program is on YouTube. Maybe you can glean some further insight from watching it yourself. (I don't know which is the part where moffat talks about the interview process, so I've linked to the first one).

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  62. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by master_p · · Score: 1

    Don't worry. There is a bug in the Time Lord software...in leap years, on Dec 31st, the regeneration limiting device stops working, and so the Doctor can be safely regenerated...guess who wrote the Time Lord software...

  63. Why is Dr Who classified as science fiction? by master_p · · Score: 1

    It's good entertainment, but there is no science in it, is it?

    1. Re:Why is Dr Who classified as science fiction? by dwye · · Score: 1

      > It's good entertainment, but there is no science in it, is it?

      As opposed to the pedantically accurate science in the Star Wars franchise?

      Barring a few things done by George Pal in the 1950s, movie and TV SciFi seldom has much science in it.

      Plus, time travel is Science Fiction, unless done by females who fall in love with medieval warriors with bare chests and mighty thews (or whatever else are cliches in the genre of light-core written porn called Romance Novels), despite being technically fantasy (since it seems to be impossible, except at the quantum level, where it is required).

  64. I'd like Rowan Atkinson to be the 13th Doctor... by master_p · · Score: 3, Funny

    Imagine a doctor as cunning and stupid as the Black Adder...a major TV hit!

  65. What a scrawny little dweeb by tyrione · · Score: 1

    The Doctor of 2005 was at least physically imposing and Tennant was witty and in his 30s so the concept of him being somewhat sharp and not a punk was plausible.

    This show will tank in the US and the loss of an audience > 30 will find shows like Eureka even more appealing.

    1. Re:What a scrawny little dweeb by EDinWestLA · · Score: 1

      What, there are episodes of the 11th doctor already being manhandled by his female assistant(s)?

      Sheesh, let the episodes show up so you can see them, then make a judgement after that.

  66. Easy explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kids and teens buy more merchandise.

    I expect younger doctors in the future, or even a kids/teens oriented spinoff with younger actors.

  67. He's already played The Doctor by benwiggy · · Score: 1

    Unless I'm much mistaken, he plays a "Doctor-like" character in an advert for Virgin Atlantic, where he meets the Wright brothers and tells them they'll need a bigger plane.

  68. Dr Who is shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's still more nonsensical giddy rubbish to be penned by RTD under the guise of "specials" before the new child takes the role.

  69. Re:I'd like Rowan Atkinson to be the 13th Doctor.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seconded. I would happily pay twice my license fee to make that happen!

  70. Re:I'd like Rowan Atkinson to be the 13th Doctor.. by lilo_booter · · Score: 1

    He's already done it and been regenerated (many times...) - more info here. It was written by Steven Moffat as well.

  71. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by Golias · · Score: 1

    She'd make good fodder for a mini-series spin-off, or perhaps even a feature film.

    I don't know how well it would work as a series. She's not quite a time lord, and doesn't have a time machine.

    One of the bits of cannon which makes the Doctor Who series work is that reliable time-travel is something incredibly rare and mostly unique to the time lords, who use it sparingly and judiciously.

    RTD killed off the time lords, but then introduced other organizations (the Time Agents, the Shadow Proclamation, etc.) to sort-of take their place in the narrative. But still, it's extremely rare to encounter somebody other than the Doctor who travels through time, because that's part of what makes him interesting.

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  72. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by Golias · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's understood that time lords only expected to live a long time when they had dull monastic lives on their home planet. The Doctor grew to an age of just over 900 before he stole a time machine and went off saving planets, and he's been burning through his multiple lives at a shocking pace ever since.

    Then again, all the other time lords got themselves killed in a war with the Daleks, so who's the reckless fool now?

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  73. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by natoochtoniket · · Score: 1

    Don't be silly. The frequency of regenerations is limited from below by the time that the current Doctor both gets audience share, and is willing to work without a raise. The number of regenerations is limited from above by the willingness of television audience to watch the commercials that accompany the show, and the resulting willingness of advertisers to pay for it. Inside the logic of the show, of course, they may have to come up with an explanation, but that is a task for the writers.

  74. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by MaxQuordlepleen · · Score: 1

    the Time Agents

    The Time Agents from the 51st Century (of whom Captain Jack is one) were actually first mentioned in the classic Tom Baker story "The Talons of Weng Chiang". Robert Holmes was the author.

    I'd love to know where Jack was when the Doctor was "with the Filipino army at the final advance on Reykjavik", as he states in that story.

  75. Rememeber 26! by Snaller · · Score: 1

    They start shooting this year, so remember - he's 26 not 27 at the start!

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  76. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by Snaller · · Score: 1

    "All these + more indicate that the limit may not be a physical one."

    Well those didn't.

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  77. Captain Jack by tsnorquist · · Score: 1

    Captain Jack is going to happy to see this young man heading the tardis

    1. Re:Captain Jack by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Jack's 2100+ years old.

      11/jack would be some sort of weird pedophilia.

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  78. While I'm hardly a Whovian, by NeuroManson · · Score: 1

    I took one look at this guy and thought, "He's not a Doctor Who, he's a Doctor Huh?".

    He kind of looks like an amalgam of the last few Doctors (including the unofficial one from the 2008 Xmas special, and the one from the Fox movie).

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  79. 13 Doctors! by AJNeufeld · · Score: 1

    It the limit is 12 regenerations, and a regeneration is used up going from version 1.0 to 2.0, then we don't end with the 12th Doctor! There should be ... must be ... a 13th Doctor!

  80. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by Sabalon · · Score: 1

    I'm sure when they first came up with this in the 70's during Deadly Assassin, someone was saying "Ah...12 regenerations should be enough for anyone. That'll hold the show forever!"

  81. Re:Hmmm getting close to the 12 regenerations limi by westlake · · Score: 1

    The Doctor is himself half-human. It doesn't seem inconceivable that the TARDIS would seek Jenny out on his death. It can't be coincidence that the writers introduced a daughter into their story as the Doctor nears the end of his story.

  82. Yay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good. He looks more like the classic Dr. Who's. And he's not a fag like the last one. Which is always a bonus.

  83. Why Younger by kenp2002 · · Score: 1

    Better emotional opporunties for story telling. An older Doctor would tend to be more reserved in his emotional conduct lending a "stoic" personality. With Chris we got a bit more manic behavior giving much more breathing room for emotional story telling. Perhaps the younger regenerations is a subtle implication that the Doctor is running away from who he was prior to the extinction of the time lords, once again a renegade on the run, not the the time lords or gallefrey, but himself, who he was, the man that destroyed gallefrey..."

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  84. 11th Doctor Who What? by joemawlma · · Score: 1

    The 11th Doctor Who WHAT? Come on slashdot, don't leave us in suspense. I only read the article titles these days.

    I've evolved way passed the 'read the summary only' mentality as a slashdotter.