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Twitter Considered Harmful To Swine-Flu Panic

judgecorp writes "Twitter is being criticized for spreading panic about swine flu. This is not just knee-jerk Luddism 2.0: it's argued that Twitter's structure encourages ill-informed repetition, with little room for context, while older Web media use their power for good — for instance Google's Flu Trends page (which we discussed last winter), and the introduction of a Google swine flu map." On a related note, reader NewtonsLaw suggests that it might be a good idea, epidemiologically speaking, to catch the flu now vs. later.

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  1. Life imitating art? by DavidChristopher · · Score: 5, Funny

    http://xkcd.com/574/

    I'm not sure if that's funny, ironic, satiristic, scary or just reality, but, you've GOT to wonder...

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    1. Re:Life imitating art? by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nah, Randall Munroe is simply this century's Nostradamus.

    2. Re:Life imitating art? by teko_teko · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The xkcd forum users actually registered and recreated those tweets on the comic: listing.

    3. Re:Life imitating art? by TheMightyFuzzball · · Score: 5, Funny

      XKCD Considered Harmful To Swine-Flu Panic

    4. Re:Life imitating art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      More like art imitating life. This story has been around since last week.

    5. Re:Life imitating art? by skroops · · Score: 3, Funny

      I've determined that the most slashdot articles are complicated set-ups for xkcd links

    6. Re:Life imitating art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the xkcd forum has wonderful gems of information. For example, I knew that Madagascar was a bit remote, being a large island and all, so it made sense that it got mentioned in the comic, but I didn't know it could be a source of so much specific frustration for would-be pathogens (read the comments on that page about the "Pandemic-2" game).

    7. Re:Life imitating art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Kinda like an idiots distilled thing?

      Twitter is for idiots.

    8. Re:Life imitating art? by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 2, Funny

      And when XKCD references the Slashdot posts whose comments include those links, the circle of life is at last complete.

    9. Re:Life imitating art? by internerdj · · Score: 1

      Won't someone think of the news media...

    10. Re:Life imitating art? by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Well, hanneloreEC already existed - she's a character in Questionable Content.

      But, Jeph made the tweet after Randall posted XKCD, I think.

    11. Re:Life imitating art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The account hanneloreEC has been run by Jeph Jacques of the webcomic Questionable Content for a while now. Hannelore is one of the characters in the comic. I believe the other accounts already existed as well, though it looks like they hadn't made their swine-flu post.

  2. Autism by MortenMW · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just lick a kid with autism and you will be safe!

    1. Re:Autism by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not as safe as if you move,... to Madagascar!

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    2. Re:Autism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you have to do it before they close all the ports!

    3. Re:Autism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Do we REALLY need XKCD fanboy-ism over here on slashdot? It's bad enough on digg...

    4. Re:Autism by Ragzouken · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't you mean close THE port?

    5. Re:Autism by dzfoo · · Score: 1

      Ok then, here's the /.-ism:

          I'm autistic, you insensitive clod!

          Feel better?
                  -dZ.

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    6. Re:Autism by MadKeithV · · Score: 1

      If they had a decent firewall all the ports would already have been closed.

    7. Re:Autism by Al+Al+Cool+J · · Score: 2, Informative

      Don't you know that a licking kid is what started this?!

    8. Re:Autism by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I don't think I could take the annoying dancing lemurs.

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    9. Re:Autism by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      How about if I just lick the Madagascar DVD?

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    10. Re:Autism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just make sure to avoid those Somali pirates whilst en-route...

    11. Re:Autism by ultranova · · Score: 3, Funny

      If you're an American, you can easily be even safer. Since influenza is spread by people sneezing, just look out for anyone near you drawing a deep breath: they're about to sneeze and spew deadly microbes in your direction, so shoot them first!!! The jury, being your peers, will certainly acquit you on grounds of self-defense, and the police will even help arrange the corpse so its mouth is open wider to make it look better for you in the photos, at least if you live where cayenne8 does.

      And remember to get plenty of sleep so no one shoots you by accident when you yawn.

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    12. Re:Autism by DavidD_CA · · Score: 1

      I like to move it, move it...

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    13. Re:Autism by PachmanP · · Score: 1

      Do we REALLY need XKCD fanboy-ism over here on slashdot? It's bad enough on digg...

      On soviet slashdot, XKCD fanboys you!

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  3. Difficult by oldhack · · Score: 2, Interesting

    People using twitter, or people blaming twitter. What's the word I'm looking for?

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    1. Re:Difficult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      retards?

    2. Re:Difficult by Errtu76 · · Score: 4, Funny

      People using twitter, or people blaming twitter. What's the word I'm looking for?

      crap

    3. Re:Difficult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      twits

    4. Re:Difficult by jonbryce · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People who use Twitter, or astroturf about it, are called twits.

    5. Re:Difficult by jo42 · · Score: 1

      "Twatter".

    6. Re:Difficult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you.

    7. Re:Difficult by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

      People who use Twitter, or astroturf about it, are called twits.

      I see what you did there!

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    8. Re:Difficult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who use Twitter, or astroturf about it, are called twits.

      I think the word you are looking for is "twats".

    9. Re:Difficult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm personally a fan of "twats"

  4. A better idea by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Funny

    might be a good idea, epidemiologically speaking, to catch the flu now vs. later.

    That's silly: why would the solution to eradicating a disease be catching it when it's already out there?

    A better solution would be to treat the causes of the disease in the first place. In this case, H1N1 is a variant of the Spanish flu. Spain, Mexico? see a pattern? Of course, the solution is to ban Spanish and classical guitar worldwide.

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    1. Re:A better idea by Frogbert · · Score: 1

      Nonsense, check out the google map. The flu hasn't made it to Madagascar and I doubt it will due to the lack of airports in the country.

      I suggest you get on the next boat to Madagascar post haste before the port is closed.

    2. Re:A better idea by jamesh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's silly: why would the solution to eradicating a disease be catching it when it's already out there?

      I reached the same conclusion (that catching now would be better than later) but for different reasons. Assuming you are going to catch it at some point, if you caught it right now then you'd be one of a very small number of infected people, and you'd receive a lot of attention and a lot of care. If it spreads and pretty much everyone gets it, then good luck getting any sort of access to health care (if you actually need it - most people have gotten better without special care)

      I think one of the biggest challenges we'll face in a pandemic is educating people to stay away from hospitals unless they are really really sick. Based on what i've seen in the past, everyone will be marching up to the hospital at the first sign of the sniffles... you're more likely to get beaten to death by an irate parent trying to get their child seen to than to actually get help :)

    3. Re:A better idea by Kvasio · · Score: 1

      Fact that there are o airports does not stop airplanes to "land" there.
      Didn't you know that?

    4. Re:A better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Q: Why are hospitals so full of sick people? A: That's where the germs are. Duh!

    5. Re:A better idea by Duckie01 · · Score: 0

      Nooooo! That'd unleash the giant guinea-pigs and get everyone killed!!

    6. Re:A better idea by registrar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The reason the idea is dumb is that as time passes, diseases tend to evolve to become more infectious, but less pathogenic. It's an obvious bit of natural selection: you will avoid people you know to be sick, and hence you are more likely to be infected by a less ill person.

      The classic example is from Samoa in the 1918 influenza pandemic. Then, 25% of the population of Western Samoa died of flu. The American Navy maintained quarantine around American Samoa, and the flu didn't get there for about a year. Only a small fraction of the (nearly identical) population died.

      So if there's a nasty flu about, get it late.

    7. Re:A better idea by Canazza · · Score: 1, Informative

      and also, if healthy people start congregating around hospitals they're more likely to catch the thing - you know, cause hospitals are the places where all the sick people are

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    8. Re:A better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It would be easier to just ban the virus. Make swine-flu illegal, and only outlaws will have swine-flu. Make having swine-flu a felony, punishable by death.

      Seriously though, perhaps people are getting sick because they're stressed out. Who better to be stressed out that those 25-40 years old, who are stressed about losing their job and whatnot in this recession. Then again, maybe it's wrong to assume being stressed out affects one's immune system and it's ability to fight off things.

    9. Re:A better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nobody expects the Spanish flu!

    10. Re:A better idea by klahnako · · Score: 1

      No! Do not get it too early!

      This is a new virus, and it can be both unstable and deadly. If you can delay getting the virus, it has a chance to evolve into a strain that is more effective at transmitting to other hosts; in other words, it becomes less leathal.

    11. Re:A better idea by daveime · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I'd have thought catching ANY disease early would be a good thing for all of the following reasons :-

      1 - You are likely to receive more (medical) attention early on before the finance departments start making "risk assessments" and other evaluations to decide IF a certain person should even receive vaccines / treatment.

      2 - You get a chance to build up an early resistance to it, so even if it mutates, you won't be hit as hard, if at all, the 2nd time around.

      3 - You also get a chance for the antibiotics etc to work, before the virus itself attains drug resistant strains.

      Funnily enough I just had a flu jag last week, including an H1N1 variant.

    12. Re:A better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If you start taking antibiotics for a virus, you are doing it wrong.

    13. Re:A better idea by moosesocks · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Could that be because the navy was there to provide medical facilities and treatment to the people on American Samoa?

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    14. Re:A better idea by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Nonsense, check out the google map. The flu hasn't made it to Madagascar and I doubt it will due to the lack of airports in the country.

      Right. But then what of people coming by train ? huh ?

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    15. Re:A better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One word (or is it two?) - FIREBREAK

    16. Re:A better idea by ciderVisor · · Score: 1

      you're more likely to get beaten to death by an irate parent

      I read that as "irate pirate". Aaaaarrrrrr.

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    17. Re:A better idea by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are over 50 airports in Madagascar, recognised by the ICAO and IATA, including three paved over 7000ft long which would be fine for landing large civil aircraft.

    18. Re:A better idea by registrar · · Score: 0

      Doubt it. There weren't any antibiotics then. The pandemic overwhelmed medical facilities all over the developed world. A couple of piddling US warships could hardly have provided nursing facilities to the entire population.

    19. Re:A better idea by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      The flu's a virus. We've only had the facilities to treat the actual virus itself for a very short time (and even then, they're somewhat rarely used).

      However, we've had the tools to treat the symptoms for quite some time. I don't doubt that they were considerably more primitive in 1918, although even the most basic treatments could mean the difference between life and death.

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    20. Re:A better idea by jowilkin · · Score: 1

      Uh, antibiotics don't treat viruses like influenza... Helpful treatment would have been extra fluids, etc, which the navy could have provided.

    21. Re:A better idea by mlush · · Score: 1

      Could that be because the navy was there to provide medical facilities and treatment to the people on American Samoa?

      It seems unlikely that 1918 medicine could do anything more than bedrest and drip feeding, I don't think this would have had much effect on the mortality rate. The 1918 flu apparently killed by triggering a massive immune responce, so it affected otherwise healthy young adults and not the very young, old and immunocompromised who normally die from flu.

      I thing the grandparent has the selection mechanism the wrong way round. its not that:-

      "you will avoid people you know to be sick, and hence you are more likely to be infected by a less ill person.".

      Consider two viruses one kills its host in 3 days and one in 6 days. The second one has twice the opportunities to transmit to new hosts, more offspring = clear selective advantage. In fact killing/incapacitating the host is a really bad idea, its much more advantageous to keep your host healthy and mobile so they keep circulating in the community and not hiding in bed not transmitting to anyone.

    22. Re:A better idea by registrar · · Score: 1

      The flu's a virus. We've only had the facilities to treat the actual virus itself for a very short time (and even then, they're somewhat rarely used).

      Most people who die from influenza die from subsequent bacterial pneumonia, not from acute viral infection. That was the case in 1918 too, and if 1918 flu hit again now, most deaths would be averted by use of antibiotics.

      However, we've had the tools to treat the symptoms for quite some time. I don't doubt that they were considerably more primitive in 1918, although even the most basic treatments could mean the difference between life and death.

      Well, antibiotics are the main ones, so they were more primitive in 1918.

      Your theory is kind of nice, but I really don't think the US Navy played nurse to the population of American Samoa. The same pattern is true elsewhere in the world: Australia kept it out till late too, and also had a low case-fatality rate.

    23. Re:A better idea by maxume · · Score: 1

      Your problem is that you are thinking of reality, not the silly flash game that all the Madagascar comments are a reference to.

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    24. Re:A better idea by Qil'elPhil · · Score: 1

      Nonsense, check out the google map. The flu hasn't made it to Madagascar and I doubt it will due to the lack of airports in the country.

      Right. But then what of people coming by train ? huh ?

      Why is there no "+-0 I hope it's a joke" moderation?

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    25. Re:A better idea by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Theres a flash game? Seriously, theres a flash game? :)

    26. Re:A better idea by zacronos · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The reason the idea is dumb is that as time passes, diseases tend to evolve to become more infectious, but less pathogenic. It's an obvious bit of natural selection: you will avoid people you know to be sick, and hence you are more likely to be infected by a less ill person.

      Interesting -- I had the same fact in my head (diseases tend to become less debilitating/fatal as time goes on) but with a different bit of (equally "obvious"?) natural selection as the explanation: a disease which keeps its host alive and even healthy will be more successful at spreading than one which incapacitates and/or kills its host during the period when the host is infectious. While it is true that dead bodies can be a vector for the spread of disease, a living host can potentially spread the disease for much longer.

      In fact, to anthropomorphize the disease a little, the goal it should strive for is not to cause any negative reactions in the host (which implicitly means it can't be triggering the immune system to attack it), and so to benignly infect every human on the planet from now until doomsday. For real overachieving diseases, they should strive to form a symbiotic relationship with the host so that there is selective pressure against being "immune" to the disease, as well as against lifestyle choices that are detrimental to the disease's population in the host. (Of course, when it no longer causes any negative effects in the host, we usually don't call it a disease anymore.)

    27. Re:A better idea by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      might be a good idea, epidemiologically speaking, to catch the flu now vs. later.

      That's silly: why would the solution to eradicating a disease be catching it when it's already out there?

      The real problem, which the original poster failed to note, is that the reason why catching the flu one year gives only a limited window of immunity (1 to 3 years) is because after a few years, the flue virus has mutated enough so that the body's immune system doesn't recognize it.

      Better to just wash your hands, teach little kids (and adults at stop lights*) not to pick their boogers and wipe it on the walls, don't share mice, keyboards, or phones, etc.

      *- I don't know how many times I've pulled up to a light and the person in the next car has a finger jammed up their nose. They probably also do this wile driving down the road. There's got to be some people who have had accidents because of this - so when their air bag goes off, does it jam their finger up into their brain?).

    28. Re:A better idea by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Since there are at least 2 (maybe 3) intl airports and numerous local ones in Madagascar, I don't see why train stations should be excluded if we go with the fantasy that it's a remote place that you can only swim or sail to (although AFAIK there's only one train line that more or less works).

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    29. Re:A better idea by maxume · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure where you are coming from here, so I will just post a link to it:

      http://www.crazymonkeygames.com/Pandemic-2.html

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    30. Re:A better idea by jmichaelg · · Score: 1

      Of course. Shelling an infected person's house always stops infection dead in its tracks. The explosion is so hot it's guaranteed to sterilize everything within a 100 feet. If Mexico City wasn't land locked we would have sent the Navy in to deal with the disease at the first sign.
       

    31. Re:A better idea by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      That didn't take them long... A bit sick, even if funny.

    32. Re:A better idea by Aqualung812 · · Score: 1

      We have antibiotics now, and we use them so much that we've helped to create bugs that laugh at most antibiotics. Let's hope one of those doesn't start running around...

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    33. Re:A better idea by Random+Destruction · · Score: 1

      The game's been around for a while now. It isn't in response to all this madness.

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    34. Re:A better idea by maxume · · Score: 1

      Well, it has been out since at least last summer (2008), so 'it didn't take them long' is nonsensical relative to this particular outbreak.

      Hell, it's even a sequel.

      Let the horse speak:

      http://www.darkrealmstudios.com/product_Pandemic2.html
      http://www.darkrealmstudios.com/products.html

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    35. Re:A better idea by ukyoCE · · Score: 0

      Exactly. I suspect this is why the swine flu in the US has been so much milder than the one in Mexico. The one killing people in Mexico is too deadly - it kills its hosts before they can pass it around. And perhaps also too severe for the hosts to stupidly go to work, the movies, etc. and pass it around for a few days before dying.

      So the worst version of the virus has died off (hopefully) while the milder one keeps getting passed around.

    36. Re:A better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Screw that, all of us here should know by now that the only way to get rid of trouble like this is to nuke if from high orbit!

    37. Re:A better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No relation... the Spanish flu started in USA but was called like that, because of the war blackout on news the first country with the press giving info about the flu was Spain

      (or maybe there is.. Mexican flu source its said to be "Grangas Carroll" in veracruz mexico owned by the USA company Smithfield of Joseph W Luter III "see a pattern?")

    38. Re:A better idea by Provocateur · · Score: 1

      you're more likely to get beaten to death That's why Milla Jojovich(sp?) always carries two shotguns on her way to the hospital. Why not go there before the shooting and the burning and the devouring all start?

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    39. Re:A better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I think one of the biggest challenges we'll face in a pandemic is educating people to stay away from hospitals unless they are really really sick."

      I agree... in addition, going to a hospital when you're not really sick increases your chances of catching it from someone who is really sick in the ER waiting room...

      My one concern about this entire pandemic is if it makes it up into my area (it's already in my state, but there's more space between where I am and where it is than there is between any two random NE states) I've still got to go to the hospital sometime in the next week or so for surgery, and I'm trying to get in ASAP so I won't have to worry about getting the flu on top of recovering from surgery and trying to get to my summer classes all at the same time.

    40. Re:A better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yep: that'll be the evolutionary biology yer talkin'.

    41. Re:A better idea by Smidge207 · · Score: 2, Funny

      In fact, to anthropomorphize the disease a little, the goal it should strive for is not to cause any negative reactions in the host (which implicitly means it can't be triggering the immune system to attack it), and so to benignly infect every human on the planet from now until doomsday.

      Already been done; it's called Christianity. ;-)

      =Smidge=

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    42. Re:A better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      to anthropomorphize the disease a little, the goal it should strive for is not to cause any negative reactions in the host

      Not necessarily. If the disease spreads through droplets, then it will spread faster if the host sneezes or coughs (colds, flu). If the disease spreads through saliva, then it will spread faster if the host bites another host (rabies). If a parasite has to pass from an insect to an herbivore, then the parasite is more likely to propagate if the insect goes to sit on the herbivore's favourite food.

    43. Re:A better idea by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      In fact, to anthropomorphize the disease a little, the goal it should strive for is not to cause any negative reactions in the host (which implicitly means it can't be triggering the immune system to attack it), and so to benignly infect every human on the planet from now until doomsday.

      That's what I do when I play Pandemic. I make my virus as infectious as possible but shut off all of the lethalities. So my virus spreads across the entire world killing almost no one. *THEN* I make it lethal.

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    44. Re:A better idea by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      Of course, the solution is to ban Spanish and classical guitar worldwide.

      But then you would have to deal with Esteban.

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    45. Re:A better idea by Seraphim1982 · · Score: 1

      Secondary infections (ie the cause of the majority of deaths durring the 1918 flu pandemic) don't exist where you are? Must be nice.

    46. Re:A better idea by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      A better solution would be to treat the causes of the disease in the first place. In this case, H1N1 is a variant of the Spanish flu. Spain, Mexico? see a pattern? Of course, the solution is to ban Spanish and classical guitar worldwide.
      Aaaaactually, Spanish flu almost certainly didn't start in Spain. It's just that reports of it were first heard there so people erroneously thought it started there.

    47. Re:A better idea by SupremoMan · · Score: 1

      That's ridiculous. Use of antibiotics does not "create" super viruses. It merely allows only the immune variants of the viruses to propagate. Those variants would be there regardless of antibiotic use, and hell of a lot more people would have died without antibiotics.

    48. Re:A better idea by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "..antibiotics ..."

      Your opinion on this matter is now worth nothing, except to point out that you're a moron.

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    49. Re:A better idea by geekoid · · Score: 0, Troll

      "Most people who die from influenza die from subsequent bacterial pneumonia, not from acute viral infection."
      Not in 1918, bucko. the Spanish Flu aka H1N1, killed via Cytokine storm.

      Yes H1N1 the same one that is causing the current concern.

      All that the Navy would have to do is educate the population about hygiene. That would minimize it right there.

      Once again I must point out you're a moron that doesn't know WTF they are talking about.

      People like you are far worse then anything that happens on Twitter.

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    50. Re:A better idea by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Not for the 1918 Spanish Flu, aka H1N1.
      Cytokine storm is what killed people.

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    51. Re:A better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WRONG! It's called herpes :(

    52. Re:A better idea by registrar · · Score: 1

      You are right, the selective pressure comes from both the infected person's capacity to infect, and the susceptible person's ability to identify infectives.

      Almost all infectious organisms follow the pattern: lots of people have them, they rarely cause serious illness in anyone. HIV is a counterexample to the principle.

      The most lethal and consistently symptomatic infectious diseases are arguably smallpox and SARS, and they're extinct because of their extreme virulence.

    53. Re:A better idea by jamesh · · Score: 1

      I was in the middle of playing that when I read the first news report about a possible epidemic. Good thing I've never read or even heard of Enders Game or I could have been really worried :)

    54. Re:A better idea by registrar · · Score: 1

      I'll submit to being trolled in the interests of science. You are pretty badly informed.

      Antibiotics don't affect viruses, correct. But they certainly help with secondary pneumonia. It's not the same H1N1 that caused the Spanish Flu. The Spanish Flu rarely killed by cytokine storm, though more often than currently circulating influenzas. The US Navy, for all their strengths, is not a world-renowned public health body.

      I may be a moron, but I have studied this field quite closely, including reading all sorts of primary reports from 1918 and now. I have read original medical histories and autopsy reports.

      The cytokine storm theory is good in the sense that cytokine storms presumably did occur, but it was not the usual mode of death. Pneumonia was mostly responsible for the deaths in 1918, including in young adults.

      One component of the myth is that young adults died in 1918-1919 in just a few days. It is sometimes supported by "data from Sydney". I've looked at that data fairly carefully. There is good evidence for some stunningly quick deaths, but the mean time-to-death (10 days) did not vary significantly across age-groups.

      The case-fatality rate was very different in different cohorts in the army infected at the same time. Prevailing co-infections are quite likely to account for that.

      Antivirals might prevent some primary viremia, and some progression to pneumonia. However, most deaths would also be avoided by use of antibiotics.

  5. This just in by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Giving people a voice spreads panic. Film at 11.

    People want to be heard. And they learned from the news that bad news get the most attention. So what do you do when you want the most attention? You spread bad news. You invent them where necessary, because everyone else does it too and you gotta outdo them.

    We, in the free world, didn't learn the lesson that people with tightly controlled media learned a long time ago: Just because you may say the truth doesn't mean that you have to. We grew up with free press and the idea that you can tell it the way it is. The fallacy was to assume people would do just that.

    Maybe this, along with other similar "problems", will teach us that, surprise, surprise, people lie to you when they think they gain an advantage out of it. Just don't believe everything you hear.

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    1. Re:This just in by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We, in the free world, didn't learn the lesson that people with tightly controlled media learned a long time ago [...] We grew up with free press and the idea that you can tell it the way it is.

      How quaint. You have free press? Please let me know where your free world is, I'm moving today.

      Seriously though, the press in "the free world" - which is for you, I'm assuming, roughly whatever rich country that didn't fall under Soviet influence at the end of WW2 - isn't free or impartial by a long shot, because most media outfits are owned by corporations. Whatever the press is biased towards whatever furthers their owners' agenda. The only free-ish sort of media is the internet, and traditional media do their best to belittle the quality of the information there, not entirely without reason incidentally, given the low S/N ratio on the net.

      As to the outbreak of swine flu, it will be controlled in no time by our modern sanitary responses, but in the meantime, it's a godsend for corporations and banks, because while it lasts, people fear the flu instead of growing a hatred for the people responsible for the economic crisis.

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    2. Re:This just in by TFer_Atvar · · Score: 5, Informative

      Bull. I work at the second-largest newspaper in Alaska and pick wire stories based on what people are interested in and what folks need to stay informed. Regardless of what you might think, I'm not a part of a conspiracy or the Illuminati.

    3. Re:This just in by chromas · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm not a part of a conspiracy or the Illuminati

      That's just what you want me to believe. Anyway, what's a newspaper?

    4. Re:This just in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      that's what they all say! And therefore you have just proven his point by denying it.

    5. Re:This just in by VJ42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      [we]pick wire stories based on what people are interested in and what folks need to stay informed.

      The first part of that sentence is certainly true, whilst I can't speak for your newspaper the second part doesn't necessarily follow. People tend to be interested in the latest celebrity gossip, so papers print celebrity gossip because it sells newspapers. I don't call that keeping people informed (note: I'm from the UK that's how it works here if the USA is different then I apologise).

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    6. Re:This just in by Angostura · · Score: 1

      It is left as an exercise for the reader to identify the corporate interests of the owners of the BBC and the Scott Trust which owns The Observer and The Guardian in the UK.

    7. Re:This just in by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I am certain you do your best to be a good, honest journalist. However, I'm also quite sure that, if it hasn't happened already, you will find it difficult to run a story on things like, say, Palin or Exxon unabridged, if at all, depending on your newspaper's political leanings and those of its owner(s). You can't possibly tell me your stories haven't ever been edited, and/or you haven't been told to "soften up" on this or that by your editor, right?

      As for supposed illuminati, free mason or jewish stranglehold on world affairs, I don't believe in any of that crap, but that doesn't mean one can't be realistic about the partiality of the media.

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    8. Re:This just in by BruceCage · · Score: 1

      It doesn't really have anything to do with a conspiracy. I know some people will immediately go in a frenzy for me even recommending this but if you haven't consider reading some of Chomsky's political stuff such as Manufacturing Consent or Media Control. Then to balance everything out take a look at the criticism section from Wikipedia's article on Chomsky. But most important of all, stay critical and form your own opinion.

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    9. Re:This just in by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You, too, are under the impression that "free press" equals "telling the truth". This is, by its very definition, not the case.

      Free press means only that the state or government does not dictate what you have to write. In our country, there is something called "press aid", a grant that for some odd reason only newspapers that don't criticise the government too much are entitled to (there are "official" qualification criteria like "being important for the general information"... go figure), but you may still write whatever you please (and do without the grant).

      Free press does NOT mean that the press is forced to print only the unbiased, undiluted truth, without a speck of commentary or opinion. Most people are under the impression that this must be the case. Because, so their train of thought, if nobody dictates that they have to write something, they can do their "job" and deliver true blue information.

      The difference between a dictatorship and a democracy? In both, both government and the press lies to you. The difference is that in a democracy, they tell different lies.

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    10. Re:This just in by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You needn't lie to cause a panic. You needn't invent things to turn a harmless information into a horrible (and potentially dangerous) hype.

      Assume this comes over the ticker (I'm inventing numbers here, it's an example, ok?): "Ten cases of swine flu in Texas. After about 80 reports in Mexico last week with 2 fatal cases, the swine flu has now reached the USA. Also, two cases have been reported in Europe, namely in Spain and Scotland. Doctors consider the thread as "potentially serious", generally though they estimate to have enough serum at hand to avoid a pandemic".

      Newspaper article: "Swine flu crosses pond! After sweeping through Mexico with almost 100 infected, some of them seriously sick or already dead and spreading through the south of the USA through the weekend, reports have been confirmed that the deadly Swine Flu has now crossed over to Europe. Cases have been reported in Spain and Scotland. According to experts, the disease and its spread can only be described as "serious", whether there is enough serum to keep a pandemic from sweeping through Europe and maybe even Asia is anything but certain"

      Same information, ain't it? It's all in the delivery...

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    11. Re:This just in by gsslay · · Score: 1

      Bull. I work at the second-largest newspaper in Alaska and pick wire stories based on what people are interested in and what folks need to stay informed.

      And who picks what stories get on the wire?

      Not just being frivolous or paranoid. At every point of the news generating process someone's making a value judgement for you about what you are interested in and what's important to keep you informed. Their judgement is not always free from the influences of the need to avoid upsetting their employer, their employer's business acquaintances, and the social structures that their employer relies on.

    12. Re:This just in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People want to be heard. And they learned from the news that bad news get the most attention. So what do you do when you want the most attention? You spread bad news. You invent them where necessary, because everyone else does it too and you gotta outdo them.

      So, just like Slashdot.

    13. Re:This just in by icebrain · · Score: 2, Informative

      People tend to be interested in the latest celebrity gossip, so papers print celebrity gossip because it sells newspapers. I don't call that keeping people informed (note: I'm from the UK that's how it works here if the USA is different then I apologise).

      No, it's pretty much the same here. Some of the faces are different, but otherwise it's just a bunch of gossip. Bread and circuses, my friend...

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    14. Re:This just in by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      "As to the outbreak of swine flu, it will be controlled in no time by our modern sanitary responses"

      Such as?

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    15. Re:This just in by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      And it's for just this very kind of shit that I stopped watching CNN/Fox News/MSNBC/etc. some time ago. One hour of McNeil/Lehrer a day is just fine, thanks. And I never have to listen to 24-hour-non-stop coverage of the latest missing-white-girl or panic-of-the-moment ever again.

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    16. Re:This just in by H0p313ss · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Regardless of what you might think, I'm not a part of a conspiracy or the Illuminati.

      Ahh... but if you WERE part of the conspiracy that's EXACTLY what you'd say!

      Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

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    17. Re:This just in by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Modern hygenie response you say?

              Hunting down the infected and shooting them down in the streets like rabid dogs!

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    18. Re:This just in by Chapter80 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...the press in "the free world"...isn't free or impartial by a long shot, because most media outfits are owned by corporations.

      Um, but you are free to start your own press, and say whatever you want.

      Of course, you may want to incorporate for your protection. It seems that you feel the act of incorporation adds evilness and bias to your reporting. But bias is there prior to incorporation.

      My opinion is that your "Score:5 Insightful" post is a load of crap, and that's the beauty of a free society. I can state my opinion, whether I am a corporation or not. And you can say yours. I can say it in print, on TV, or right here on the Internet.

      Sure, the internet has a lower cost of entry, but high costs of other mediums of communication do not equate to less freedom. You are free to start your own radio station or newspaper! Go for it.

    19. Re:This just in by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Amen brother!

      Nevermind Twitter.

      The media hype machine has been desperately trying to find something to frenzy over for years.

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    20. Re:This just in by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Bull. I work at the second-largest newspaper in Alaska and pick wire stories based on what people are interested in and what folks need to stay informed.

      So what? That doesn't invalidate what the grandparent said one bit. Whether you are a biased source, or pick from a menu provided by a biased source - the bias is still present.

    21. Re:This just in by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      It's nothing new. Mass media been catering to the lowest possible denominator in order to increase [reader|listener|viewer]ship for about as long as mass media have been around. The happy golden time when the media reported facts honestly and fairly is a myth, not history.

    22. Re:This just in by dwye · · Score: 1

      > No, it's pretty much the same here.

      Then maybe you should stop buying those glossy magazines by the grocery checkout that claim to be news. I see very little gossip about celebrities in the Wall Street Journal, nor (barring the Clintons, back in Bill's term) in either of my home town newspapers (barring the Sunday "Get Them To Look At These Ads" magazine inserts).

      And, of course, the GP neglected that how it really works in the UK is that they have an attractive woman showing her breasts on page 2 or 3, and THAT is what sells newspapers. Well, it beats the funny pages, I guess :-)

    23. Re:This just in by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      bad news get the most attention. So what do you do when you want the most attention? You spread bad news. You invent them where necessary, because everyone else does it too and you gotta outdo them.

      This should be CNN's (and all other 24 hour news channels) official mission statement.

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    24. Re:This just in by FiveDozenWhales · · Score: 1

      In the U.S. at least, the corporations have sufficient power of the people, and over our politicians & government, that they in essence ARE the government. And yes, they do dictate what the press may or may not write.

    25. Re:This just in by icebrain · · Score: 1

      I'm not talking about supermarket tabloids, but rather most mainstream newspapers. The WSJ is a rare exception.

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    26. Re:This just in by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 1

      that's what they all say! And therefore you have just proven his point by denying it.

      Bah! This is what all "mainstream-media conspiracy theorists" say. Which proves my point about mainstream-media conspiracy theorists being shills for the Elven Galactic Homosapien-Abolitionists of Daxxon-1, whose sole purpose is to make us humans look like a bunch of lunatics and fools to the rest of the Galaxy to justify their proposed extermination of our species in 2012.

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    27. Re:This just in by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Actually, when the government gave money to the broadcasters for news, it was some of the best and unbiased news reporting this country ever saw.
      When that money was cut and it became a ratings game, it when down the tubes really damn fast.

      The more you know.

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    28. Re:This just in by geekoid · · Score: 1

      You don't need to be, you don't own your newspaper or the AP.

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  6. Sensationalism by Tiger4 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Reminds me of my local Fox News station that carried an official statement from the government about how people shouldn't panic. Then immediately followed it with a report of the number of cases around the country, then an interview with one of the victims saying how awful it was to vomit for hours on end. And then all the places and all the ways you can catch the flu, and what you should do if you do.

    Fair and balanced once again.

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    1. Re:Sensationalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Right? Do you think it was irresponsible of them to inform the public of what the symptoms were and how to act properly if you get it? Or was it just irresponsible that they explained how the virus can be acquired?

    2. Re:Sensationalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fair and Balanced should have just blathered what the messiah said, instead of giving more then one source of information?

    3. Re:Sensationalism by noidentity · · Score: 2, Funny

      At least they didn't have any people on saying how awful it felt to die from it (I don't know if it's fatal; I can't be bothered to read about it).

    4. Re:Sensationalism by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Funny

      Can someone please tell me why Fox News is always singled out on Slashdot? Is CNN and MSNBC any better? If so, explain.

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    5. Re:Sensationalism by chromas · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've died from it twice so far. It really is a bad way to go.

    6. Re:Sensationalism by roguetrick · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, we all need to know the symptoms of the goddamn flu.

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    7. Re:Sensationalism by adminmyserver · · Score: 1

      To be fair to Fox News, I don't think there's anything wrong with providing people with information so they can make their own decisions

      I put up a website to track some of this data, including XML data. Making sure people are spreading rational, accurate information about this situation is the best thing we can do right now. It's not as though geeks normally choose to sit around in ignorance because knowledge can be dangerous

    8. Re:Sensationalism by kno3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      um......Bill O'Reilly
      nuff said

    9. Re:Sensationalism by maxume · · Score: 1

      I imagine the GP singled out his local Fox station because that was what he was watching. How poisonous.

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    10. Re:Sensationalism by OhPlz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well that is fair and balanced, isn't it? Here's what the federal government is saying, downplaying it. Here's what's actually happening and what the victims think about it.

      If they cut the story off right after the official statement it'd be a lot like a cover-up, wouldn't it? You get the official federal propaganda piece and that's it. That's actually what you want?

    11. Re:Sensationalism by hort_wort · · Score: 1

      Usually I'd join you on the Fox News bashing, but all the news companies are doing it. Heck, I couldn't even watch CNBC yesterday at lunch without seeing reports about it.

    12. Re:Sensationalism by FatAlb3rt · · Score: 3, Informative

      If it's any consolation, I read this story on CNN and had the same reaction: Pot, meet Kettle. What the GP doesn't seem to grasp is that local Fox station != Fox News.

    13. Re:Sensationalism by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      Because it's easy to confuse MSNBC and Comedy Central's news teams.

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    14. Re:Sensationalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and /. has CowboyNeal, is that how it goes?

    15. Re:Sensationalism by sricetx · · Score: 2, Informative

      Can someone please tell me why Fox News is always singled out on Slashdot? Is CNN and MSNBC any better? If so, explain.

      Fox News tends to have a right wing agenda. Fox was on when I was at the gym yesterday afternoon. They were interviewing some ex-mayor from someplace in New Jersey who was advocating closing the US/Mexico border and was basically claiming that we needed to crack down on illegal immigration because, you see we have hundreds of thousands of these Mexicans sneaking into our country and they would be the biggest threat to the US in spreading the swine flu. Fox News idea of fair and balanced is to give voice to this xenophobic racist crap. That is why many here don't care for Fox News.

    16. Re:Sensationalism by Nightbrood · · Score: 2

      I see your Bill O'Reilly and raise Keith Olbermann (MSNBC), Rachel Maddow (MSNBC), Campbell Brown (CNN), and Glenn Beck (FOX).

      Face it, MSNBC, FOX, and CNN and the rest of our news media are filled with tools... It's like pointing out horse crap at the Kentucky Derby.

      It is sad that comedians like John Stewart and Steven Colbert are more informative and balanced than the "real" news media.

    17. Re:Sensationalism by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of my local Fox News station that carried an official statement from the government about how people shouldn't panic. Then immediately followed it with a report of the number of cases around the country, then an interview with one of the victims saying how awful it was to vomit for hours on end. And then all the places and all the ways you can catch the flu, and what you should do if you do.

      Fair and balanced once again.

      Let's see... they report the government's position, and follow it with factual reports and peoples impressions of the experience. You can't get much more balanced than that.

    18. Re:Sensationalism by Knitebane · · Score: 1

      As opposed to Chris "Obama gives me a tingle down my leg" Matthews?

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    19. Re:Sensationalism by b1ad3runn3r · · Score: 1

      Oh my god. I've got a better name. Glen Beck. I'm relatively apolitical, but every time I see him he's spewing alarmist, hate-filled right rhetoric

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    20. Re:Sensationalism by kno3 · · Score: 1

      well at least he is being honest

    21. Re:Sensationalism by Rycross · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, they claim to be "fair and balanced" while those other networks don't. There was a study released that also found that people who got their news from Fox News were significantly misinformed about important issues (Iraq involvement in 9/11, WMDs, etc). They're pretty blatantly biased, and while that's hardly noteworthy for a news network, claiming to be "fair and balanced" sets off the bullshit sensor spectacularly.

    22. Re:Sensationalism by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Fox News idea of fair and balanced is to give voice to this xenophobic racist crap.

      I understand now. It is your "personal perception" that such as idea is xenophobic racist crap. Which is fine, because it's your own opinion.

      If this flu came from Texas (and I live in Houston) and the rest of the nation advocated closing off the state, would you still object? If we were all Hispanic, would you still object?

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    23. Re:Sensationalism by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Why stop there? Hannity? Cavuto? Faux take opinion (mostly ignorant and distorted claptrap) and purvey it as news. It's rightly singled out as the shittiest excuse for a news station in the US, even if other shitty ones exist.

    24. Re:Sensationalism by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 1

      Yes. Now stop trying to feed your inferiority complex by pointing out how hypocritical you think everybody is.

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    25. Re:Sensationalism by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      You just defined hyperbole.

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    26. Re:Sensationalism by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Except the US government is actually very accurate when reporting these numbers.

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    27. Re:Sensationalism by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Fox news is heavily biased*. They have intentional killed stories that didn't agree with there republican and corporate agenda. They have spread lies under the guise of 'Fair and Balance' , and there misinformation jeopardizes peoples lives.

      *Yes the news can be biased, but Fax is really bad.

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  7. Mob Mentality by mlingojones · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This isn't all that rare on Twitter. #amazonfail is a good example of the Twitter jumping to conclusions and blowing something way out of proportion.

    1. Re:Mob Mentality by bbtom · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm not sure what the problem is with the #amazonfail thing. People make mistakes. It wasn't a lynch mob. It was a bunch of people discussing something on Twitter with a hashtag. Big fucking deal. Go on to Twitter Search and type in the name of a game or a programming language. Are all those people part of an angry mob?

      I remember the amazonfail. Most of the posts were pretty sceptical. They were like: this is a bit weird - Amazon have deranked all the gay-themed books. If this is legit and not a hack, Amazon aren't getting any more business. (Note the conditional word "if".) There was also some discussion about how much of our lives are stored on Amazon servers - pointing out that if #amazonfail turned out to be true, it might actually be quite a bit of work to untangle all the Amazon Web Services stuff (S3, EC2 etc.). Thankfully, it turned out to have a perfectly reasonable explanation. I think the level of belief on Twitter was pretty proportional to the evidence.

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  8. Why would it become more dangerous over time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, I'm sure the chance is there, but it would be more evolutionarily advantageous if the flu didn't kill off its hosts, instead allowing them to run around as carriers. Right?

    Also, too many early deaths and Madagascar is closed shut...

    1. Re:Why would it become more dangerous over time? by Twisted64 · · Score: 1

      It's fairly new? Probably needs time to settle down a bit - this is a fluctuation. I honestly hadn't heard about this until I read xkcd, makes me a bit happy :/

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  9. Is this going to lead to racial profiling? by erroneus · · Score: 3, Informative

    Does anyone recall the "racial caution" given to asian people (and by asian, I mean oriental, not the rest of asia that is usually ignored when people say asia) when SARS was the big worry?

    Now it will be avoiding anyone of hispanic decent and of course anyone would just couldn't keep away from "spring break fever?"

    In any case, looking at the google tracking information so far, it's pretty darned slight. Given that there are plenty of people who have already recovered from it, I would have to estimate that this is still little more than an ordinary flu.

    People die more often of other diseases that are more easily treatable than this. I think the usual fatalities will apply -- the extremely young and extremely old. A vaccine will be put out before too long but I think with all the quarantine activity going on, it is already pretty well contained. (There may be times when the directed focus of the people is useful... now if we can just direct the focus of the people on civil liberties and the governments gone wild problems something might be accomplished.)

    1. Re:Is this going to lead to racial profiling? by nawcom · · Score: 1

      Does anyone recall the "racial caution" given to asian people (and by asian, I mean oriental, not the rest of asia that is usually ignored when people say asia)

      quit bein' racist, cracka.

    2. Re:Is this going to lead to racial profiling? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Let's be honest here. Swine-Flu originated from Mexico whome most are of hispanic decent. Naturally, they will mingle closely with their family members who are (drum roll please)...hispanic! Hell, Just look at Southern California and San Antonio on Google Maps flu tracking.

      From a pure statistical standpoint, your chances of catching this flu increase the more often you hang close to people of Hispanic decent. But should this thing catch on like wild fire, it will be a moot point in six months. By then, it will be just as easy to catch this flu from any random person in the public regardless of ethnicity.

      One more point. You can't be politically correct and claim to be scientific in judgment. It doesn't happen.

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    3. Re:Is this going to lead to racial profiling? by balloonhead · · Score: 5, Informative
      It's not just the very young and very old dying. That's part of the worry. It's early days, and what we know changes by the day at the moment. What we do know is:

      - there is evidence of person to person spread (unlike bird flu, which seemed to be just animal-person)
      - the people dying are over-represented in the 20-40 age group (unlike most flu)
      - mortality so far has been around 7-8% (probably lower as a lot of cases probably never present for medical care and so are not included in the survival statistics
      - the viral genetics are a mix of 4: human flu, swine flu, avian flu, and human/swine flu (apparently a separate one)

      This might be bad news
      Information source for anyone interested: I am an emergency doctor, we had a presentation this morning from a public health specialist and an infectious diseases specialist detailing the regional response plan for swine flu, so it's about as up to date as is available.

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    4. Re:Is this going to lead to racial profiling? by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      Thanks for a sensible and informative post, from what I have read the problem with this flu is a healthy immune system is going to over react to this new flu and thats what kills the patient.

      I believe the six guys who nearly died in a medical trial essentially suffered the same problem bodies over reacting to the substance that was given to them.

      I once asked my Dr why he stayed healthy when he is in contact with so many sick people, essentially he said it was washing his hands. So It looks like all the average person can do is avoid crowds and try and maintain good hygiene. It might be worth staying home rather than mixing with people who might be infected.

    5. Re:Is this going to lead to racial profiling? by Yogiz · · Score: 1

      - the viral genetics are a mix of 4: human flu, swine flu, avian flu, and human/swine flu (apparently a separate one)>

      I might be mistaken but wasn't it human flu, avian flu, some kind of local swine flu and a type of swine flu that is usually found in Europe?

    6. Re:Is this going to lead to racial profiling? by number17 · · Score: 1

      SARS was able to pass person to person, hence the large breakout in Toronto.

      http://www.sars-advice.com/
      "The primary way that SARS appears to spread is by close person-to-person contact. Potential ways in which SARS can be spread include touching the skin of other people or objects that are contaminated with infectious droplets and then touching your eye(s), nose, or mouth. This can happen when someone who is sick with SARS coughs or sneezes droplets onto themselves, other people, or nearby surfaces."

    7. Re:Is this going to lead to racial profiling? by ukyoCE · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The lack of deaths in the US is promising. The flu is being reported as much milder outside Mexico. Not to jump the gun too much, but it's possible the deadliest strain of the flu killed itself off by being too severe. Leaving a much weaker (but higher fitness from an evolutionary perspective) version to make its way around the world.

    8. Re:Is this going to lead to racial profiling? by balloonhead · · Score: 1

      Not sure. That's how the public health specialist described it, but the content of the presentation was on our response, not the genetics - that was just a brief mention as it was a curiosity.

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    9. Re:Is this going to lead to racial profiling? by balloonhead · · Score: 1
      You are correct. But I was not talking about SARS. I was talking about avian flu. SARS is a coronavirus, Bird flu is a strain of influenza A.

      In case you want some more complete info: SARS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome
      Avian flu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H5N1

      Avian flu and Swine flu are both influenza A, but they are different subtypes. SARS was a completely different kind of virus.

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    10. Re:Is this going to lead to racial profiling? by balloonhead · · Score: 1

      You will note from the wiki that there was *limited* evidence of bird flu human-human contact. The public health guys seemed less concerned about this - they were worried that it might mutate and make the jump to a more significant rate of human-human spread.

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    11. Re:Is this going to lead to racial profiling? by grassy_knoll · · Score: 1

      Would air quality in Mexico perhaps be a contributing factor in the death rate from this flu strain?

    12. Re:Is this going to lead to racial profiling? by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Overall hygenic condition probably contributes as well. I'd imagine it's easier to get better in an overall cleaner environment than it'd be in a dirtier one. Not necessarily because of the obvious reasons, but maybe because people's immune systems are better in dirtier environments, and this virus seems to be taking out the ones with the best immune systems.

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    13. Re:Is this going to lead to racial profiling? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Actually, it kills the younger and healthy.
      It's in the news becasue little is known about how it spreads and it's infection rate so people are being justifiably cautious.

      Becasue if you aren't, and we have another 1918 flu(which killed more people then WW1) we could literally ahve 100+ million dead.
      Yes, literally.

      Sadly, like many security issues, when dealt with properly, it never becomes a big deal, and then people wonder what the fuss was about and think the money was a waste.

      Containment is an issue because someone sneaking in from Mexico with it would be reluctant to go to a doctor about it and infect several others. Based on what we do know, it's is likely we could end of with a bloom of a hundred suddenly cropping up.

      If an area is suddenly hit with a 100, that means there may be as many as 500 about to get symptoms. Local containment becomes critical.

      Am I panicking? no.
      Just being smart, helping keep people informed, and waiting for the people who peddle ignorance and death.. I mean homeopathy, to rear there ugly head with a 'cure'

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    14. Re:Is this going to lead to racial profiling? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Wrong.

        It increase the more you hang with people who ahve been in Mexico recently.

      I would rather hang out with my 3rd generation Mexican neighbor then with a white neighbor guy just back from Mexico city.

      well, that's generally true anyways, but in this case I would be less likely to get H1N1

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    15. Re:Is this going to lead to racial profiling? by erroneus · · Score: 1

      Perhaps I should be worried... my immune system kicks so much ass, the last time there was a 72hr flu going around, I actually got it and was out for just about 8 hours. And people who hang out with me get better... trouble is, I can't drink a simple glass of water without it turning to wine, which if taken in moderation is also supposed to be good for you, but what if I just want water you know?!

  10. Twits considered harmful by syousef · · Score: 1

    Quick! Before it's too late! Remove them from the language spec, along with GOTO!

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    1. Re:Twits considered harmful by Chelloveck · · Score: 1

      Right on! There's no need for the redundant "To Swine-Flu Panic" part of the headline.

      Although, to be pedantic, I expect that Twitter is actually very helpful to the swine-flu panic, in the same way that shouting "Fire!" is very helpful to movie-theater panic. How many twits could a twitter-twit tweet if a twitter-twit could tweet twits?

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  11. Twitter: good vs. bad by moshez · · Score: 1

    The "no context" is not an inescapable consequence of the infamous 140-character medium -- the web has a useful, low-character, way to spread context: links. With bit.ly and similar services, embedding links to longer reports is easy.

    1. Re:Twitter: good vs. bad by SnowZero · · Score: 2, Funny

      The "no context" is not an inescapable consequence of the infamous 140-character medium -- the web has a useful, low-character, way to sprea

      Sorry, I had to stop reading after 140 characters, so I will assume the web is spreading this disease with a low-character method: Twitter!

    2. Re:Twitter: good vs. bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  12. Uninformed opinion worthless by trawg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    News at 11

    The rapid dissemination of information that twitter provides can be a good thing (or at least so I read on Bad Astronomer, I still haven't been to twitter after the first time I went there to see what it was), but seriously, the same rules apply as with anything you read on the Internet.

    If you're a twitter user and you feel the need to let people know about things, at least link them to a reputable information source. No, an obvious conspiracy site saying this is a terrorist attack is not an information source.

  13. Huh? by Critical_ · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one that finds is somewhat amusing to see a blog post criticizing the new social media star Twitter of misinforming people?

    On another note, blogger Kragen Javier Sitaker, @kragen has written an interesting entry on How False Rumors Can Cost Lives in light of the #swineflu crisis on Twitter by discussing the aftermath of Tuskegee on the African American community. Although I agree with many items on his personal responsibilities list, it seems almost impossible to stop inane comments from taking over any social media site open to the general public. Can we name this phenomenon after me... Hisham's Law?

    1. Re:Huh? by maxume · · Score: 2, Informative
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    2. Re:Huh? by Kragen+Sitaker · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!

  14. Twitter and vomit by patro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    one of the victims saying how awful it was to vomit for hours on end.

    Maybe just a strange coincidence, but Twitter itself seems to me like a place where people are vomiting continuously.

    1. Re:Twitter and vomit by tenzarelli · · Score: 1

      > one of the victims saying how awful it was to vomit for hours on end.

      One of the most common side effects of Osteltamivir (Tamiflu) - seen in over one in ten treated - is nausea and vomiting, sometimes diarrhoea. Almost all cases of suspected swine flu since a couple of weeks ago would be treated with Tamiflu. A worrying fact is that the flu virus splits into separate strands inside the cell, and if another flu virus is present, they can swap strands, effectively recombining into totally new strains. There are already strains resistant to the Tamiflu in the wild.

  15. Re:1st it was bird flu, now its swine flu: load of by dieman · · Score: 1

    Which, you are completely, utterly, incorrect.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_mortality_from_H5N1

    If that doesn't scare the hell out of you, how about you go find some H5N1 and let us all know how happily safe it is!

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  16. Twitting by nomad-9 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "Twitter's structure encourages ill-informed repetition, with little room for context.."

    ... You mean, just like mass media? What a surprise.

    1. Re:Twitting by Svartalf · · Score: 1

      No kidding. I've seen as many NEWS outlets online and on TV making a bigger deal out of things on this than they needed to be.

      US 'very concerned'about Swine Flu
      WHO Raises Alert Level on Swine Flu
      WHO raises its pandemic alert level on swine flu

      Weigh in amongst the items in the online news, which match some of the same goings on in the print and video media on the subject.

      If it's not sensationalized, it's not news, it seems.

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    2. Re:Twitting by rts008 · · Score: 1

      If it's not sensationalized, it's not news, it seems.

      Mundane does not sell newspapers or advert slots on TV. This is not a new phenomenon just because it's the internet.

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  17. Spreading panic by willoughby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Panic, unlike influenza, can be "spread" only to those who willingly accept it.

    1. Re:Spreading panic by petes_PoV · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But even if you don't accept it yourself, you can still be affected by it. If those in power either beleive all the rubbish spoken, or merely yield to public pressure (i.e. mob rule), your life can be severely disrupted. All it takes is for some bureaucrat somewhere to decide to close down the transit system and you can't get to work. Of if "they" decide to shut the schools, you have to take time off to look after your children.

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    2. Re:Spreading panic by mlush · · Score: 1

      Panic, unlike influenza, can be "spread" only to those who willingly accept it.

      Unfortunately if contracted by someone in authority your still going to catch it effects :-(

    3. Re:Spreading panic by value_added · · Score: 1

      Panic, unlike influenza, can be "spread" only to those who willingly accept it.

      I wonder if that's an attempt at originality or you've stumbled across a book of quotations from 19th century philosophers.

      Either way, I'd suggest that next time you're sitting with friends or coworkers, offer up a convincing display of emotion (laughter is good, but a yawn would suffice) and see how many people don't join in. The trick, however, is recognising that those manifesting the lack of will you're alluding to will, when the tables are turned, include you.

      We're social creatures. It might fun, interesting, or even provocative to think otherwise, but no one is immune (pun intended) from that reality.

  18. google flu trends by watice · · Score: 1

    but it looks like google's flu trends is based off who searches for flu and flu like words. how can that be accurate in the current situation we're in?

    1. Re:google flu trends by mlush · · Score: 1

      but it looks like google's flu trends is based off who searches for flu and flu like words. how can that be accurate in the current situation we're in?

      It should still work... to a first approximation media coverage would cause a uniform increase is searches across the country. A flu outbreak should still create a hot spot though sensitivity would be lost as the signal/noise ratio goes pearshaped.

  19. And the "professional" media? by stimpleton · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have just finished watching the evening news here in New Zealand(its 7:00pm Tuesday night) and they have been interviewing a family through a window of their quarantined house. To add to the picture, additional cameramen out on the road, hamming it up and fearful to go any closer. The main network channel is bringing test results "live at 9pm".

    It is theatre at its best. It makes "alarmist" twitter look boring.

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    1. Re:And the "professional" media? by dtml-try+MyNick · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Despite the fact that I agree that the media in general is doing it's fair share of fearmongering..

      I don't blame the cameramen in this case. The only thing they know are:
      There is a new type of flu, a fair number of people *have* died from it. Full details of severity in general are not known yet. So yeah.. i'd be very carefull to if I had to talk to one of the suspected victims. Caution is a virtue.

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    2. Re:And the "professional" media? by bit01 · · Score: 1

      There is a new type of flu, a fair number of people *have* died from it.

      A hundred people in a Mexican population of millions. That's far lower than practically any other cause of death. Those reporters really need to get a sense of proportion.

      Sure the appropriate authorities need to monitor it for the very small possibility it turns out to be something serious but the general hysteria is just ridiculous.

      For all the reporters know those people who died were vulnerable due to poor nutrition and other factors. It's not a first world country after all. I wonder why we haven't see any news stories detailing those deaths.

      This is a gross media beat up by the drug companies (e.g. The bird flu "epidemic" and Tamiflu probably made Roche hundreds of millions of dollars - probably well worth spending a few million on astroturf), not to mention other vested interests. Just look at the media reports - it's all about suspected cases, not actual cases, and ridiculousness like making a fuss about a few suspected cases leaving one country's population of millions and entering another country's millions. Well, duh.

      I repeat, they really need to get a sense of proportion. If they're so mathematically illiterate that they're not capable of getting a sense of proportion then they should shut up and go back to school - they're not qualified to say a damn thing.

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    3. Re:And the "professional" media? by Svartalf · · Score: 1

      Heh... Consider that Tamiflu is one of the suggested agents for proper treatment, along with one other.

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    4. Re:And the "professional" media? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Well, it's still better than being in a Western country with the right-wing dominated news (FOX, anyone?).

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    5. Re:And the "professional" media? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Fair number? no, a few have.

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  20. It isn't just that by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Internet adds two thing on to of just giving voice to people who are uninformed:

    1) Giving voice to the crazies. There are lots of crazy people in the world. Many of these crazy people like to predict doom at every turn. While there are some historical examples of the doomsday prophets that got a widespread voice, most were just ignored. Now the Internet lets them publish to a world wide audience, and to find other crazies like them to reinforce their views. It isn't just that they are uninformed, it is that they actually want the doomsday scenario to be true.

    2) Anonymity. Part of the problem of calling out doom in the real world is that if you end up being completely and totally wrong, people may decide to ignore you, ridicule you, maybe even pop you in the mouth. You become the crazy guy that nobody will invite over and so on. Well not on the net, there's basically no consequences for your actions. In another forum I saw someone who has said that for sure, this is The Big One(tm). (S)he threw out a whole bunch of "This is what's gonna happen," statements, with no backing. However when (s)he's wrong, as is almost certainly the case, there'll be no repercussions. (S)he can pull the same shit during the next big thing.

    So the next just creates this perfect storm for doomsday hysteria: The information is spread instantly, there's no credentials check so there's lots of uninformed people, the crazies can talk all they like, and nobody is held accountable. Thus it becomes real easy for "A man in Brazil is coughing," to be blown up in to "All of Brazil is infected and now has a zombie apocalypse," in a matter of hours.

    My advice to everyone is same as always: Trust the experts, in this case the CDC and WHO. Wash your hand often (this is a good idea no matter what) and make sure you've got some soup and acetaminophen on hand since if you get sick, you aren't likely to die, but you probably won't feel like shopping and will likely want those two things.

    1. Re:It isn't just that by dzfoo · · Score: 1

      There's a problem with your thesis: Wouldn't those two reasons be precisely why such people should be ignored? I mean, if the Internet has a low barrier to entry for the "crazies", and most of them speak their blather anonymously, you would imagine that the rational person would not put much credence in their pronouncements.

      The fact that this isn't the case means that the problem may not lie in the medium, but on the gullible and uninformed masses, reacting to everything they read.

              -dZ.

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  21. hate by Dyinobal · · Score: 1

    I hate twitter. Please can someone make a new Internets keep the porn and just not allow social networking sites. Also ban the use of the phrase 'web 2.0' or web *.* of any sort.

    1. Re:hate by dzfoo · · Score: 1

      Can we also keep the LOLCATZ? I'm rather fond of that.

      I mean, separated from the pr0n. Well, most of it at least; to each his own, I say.

              -dZ.

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    2. Re:hate by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Then don't use twitter, you moron.

      For the rest of the fucking world it's a pretty useful tool.

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  22. Double Standards Much?! Fuck you kdawson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Seriously - Slashdot story - twitter being used to spread panic, then as a fucking follow-on, quoting 'newton's law' and advocating that people rush out and get the flu now (i.e. PANIC).

    Seriously we all whinge about standards here but this is a joke.

    Yes it may make statistical sense to get it early so you get full access to medical care - but advocating this position IS SPREADING PANIC - things are NOT that bad yet - we get 100% detection of moratality rate, but we do NOT know how widespread it is. If it turns out its 10,000 rather than 2000 infected than this is NO WORSE than a very bad normal flu.

  23. Thankfully in India I am safe by tanveer1979 · · Score: 1

    There are so many diseases here like cholera/typhoid/TB.... that the swine flu will have to get in line to infect It will be well over a 100 years before it gets a chance to clear the waiting list.

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    1. Re:Thankfully in India I am safe by Ihlosi · · Score: 1

      There are so many diseases here like cholera/typhoid/TB.... that the swine flu will have to get in line to infect It will be well over a 100 years before it gets a chance to clear the waiting list.

      Sorry, diseases switched to parallelism eons ago.

    2. Re:Thankfully in India I am safe by tanveer1979 · · Score: 1

      But we run quad core here, only 4 diseases permitted at one time

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    3. Re:Thankfully in India I am safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try installing Windows 7 Starter Edition.

    4. Re:Thankfully in India I am safe by dave1791 · · Score: 1

      The GP has a point. Nobody in India gives a flying &$Â* about swine flu and never will, even if it kills more people than those other diseases.

      I may be no safer in India, but at least I'm spared the hysteria.

  24. Ill informed repetition? just like normal News by petes_PoV · · Score: 1
    So far all the news broadcasts have been exactly that. "There's an outbreak of a new flu, it's in Mexico, some people there have died, lots of people have said things about it."

    That pretty much sums up every news item (and it's been the headline story, too) for a couple of days. Either the BBC news thinks that anything more technical would be too difficult for their journalists to explain, or that it would be "elitist" by excluding stupid people from understanding it. I'll know that they've descended to the absolute bottom of the barrel when they start quoting twitter as a source: expected any day soon, as their other channels of information are non-existent.

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  25. Other sites jealous of twitter? Come on! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is so lame. If someone wanted to find out more they could still go on google flu trend or whatever-if it spreads anything it's opinion and alot of people link to newspaper sites that seem to be making more of an uproar the on situation than anywhere else...ridiculous-people can't state their opinion anymore? Let's hope the world hasn't gotten so fickle that they'll believe anything they read.

  26. Panic vs reality? by cj1127 · · Score: 1

    Personally I think it'd be awesome if somebody set up a system that got the locations of confirmed cases (like pigflumap.com) vs. the locations people were Twittering from, and mapped out the overlapping areas where people had a genuine reason to be worried. Anyone know about a way to go about this?

  27. XKCD by Lord+Lode · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Why all the xkcd related posts lately?

    1. Re:XKCD by oneirophrenos · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why all the xkcd related posts lately?

      Where do you think slashdot editors get their news?

    2. Re:XKCD by Lord+Lode · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ok I got it, appearantly now clicking a tag in slashdot opens all articles with that tag. The last months it wasn't like that, and the months before that it gave an overview (which was the best behaviour). Anyway that confused me into thinking all articles of today were XKCD related. MAKE UP YOUR MIND SLASHDOT. If I click a tag, do something SIMPLE, not weird too advanced javascript loading things that open confusing pages.

    3. Re:XKCD by laejoh · · Score: 1

      From a soundstage on Mars?

    4. Re:XKCD by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      You want weird javascript? Try using /. with an iphone. _Every_ part of the page is clickable, which means you can't scroll easily, and if you do accidentally click off of a link, it reloads the page, starts back up at the top, and then starts a weird reload-epileptic-fit where every news item of the last day is the top article on the page for about half a second each until the javascript is done rewriting the page.

      Did the /. web devs create a browser within a browser using javascript or something? What's wrong with static HTML or simple server-side perl cgi?

    5. Re:XKCD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iPhone just sucks, Slashdot is cool. Admit it!

  28. feedback into conventional media by Madman · · Score: 1

    It's not terribly surprising that twitter is full of uninformed bullshit, what do you expect? It's essentially web diarrhea as it encourages people to gush the first thing that comes to mind. Informed discussion takes actual thought and dare I say reasoning, neither of which lends itself to the twitter format. It's just background noise.

    What concerns me is that the conventional media is taking their cues and sometimes even stories from things like twitter. Hearsay from unmoderated and unverified sources suddenly becomes fact. A case in point was yesterday the BBC said that the Mexican government was underestimating the crisis on the basis of that's what people said in an online forum! They are treating these probably uninformed and definitely fearful anonymous people as "feet on the ground" and using their statements when they can't even begin to verify the veracity of their statements, or that they are even local to the event.

    I'd never state that the media used to be a paragon of virtue and accuracy, however they used to have to work for it. Now they are trawling forums and twitter and treating it as gospel, which is bad for everyone if the news becomes completely inaccurate they will destroy their credibility and if that happens what sources can people trust?

    I'm not saying close twitter down, if you like it then go wild, fill your boots. I'm just saying that anyone who uses it as "factual" data should be dragged over a bed of gravel, dipped in vodka, and then rubbed in salt.

  29. There's quality stuff on Twitter too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Enough of the garbage, please.

    Twitter has been excellent.

    @BreakingNews reporters @mpoppel and @RodrigoMx have been doing a sterling job over the last few days, as have @Veratect and @Swineflu2009.

    And there's also @CDCemergency for those who like "official" sources.

  30. Not a hard prediction by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, it's not a hard prediction. I mean, whole threads of uninformed and stupid people spewing stupidities... on the internet? Who would have guessed? ;) In related news, bears do poop in the woods, the pope is indeed a catholic, and the ocean is indeed wet.

    On the other hand, to be fair, the internet only made it easy to run into such conversations which otherwise would have happened at the pub or at a street corner, with equally uninformed people nodding through and offering their own stupid advice. Just think of all the cabbies who can't manage their own finances, but are ready to discourse at length about how the government should fix the economy. Or of all the people who can't be diplomatic enough to their neighbour, but apparently know exactly what the president should tell France or Russia. Etc.

    And occasionally whole "theories" have been formed out of such stupid-preaching-to-the-stupid situations.

    E.g., historically "animal magnetism" was born out of weaker correlations than the "lick an autistic kid" in the comic. And some people still buy magnets and crystals as cures... although they were known to be scams at least as early as 1841 when Charles Mackay published his "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds."

    E.g., homeopathy was born out of the observation that, basically, small doses of quinine cure malaria, but high doses of quinine cause the same kind of shivers as malaria. In the meantime we know why both happen, and it has nothing to do with "like cures like". But some people _still_ insist on believing in a cure that's intellectually on par with "lick an autistic kid" and born out of a correlation that was every bit as stupid and superficial. (In fact, just watch, I'm going to rub my crystal ball and predict that someone will promptly post a reply as to how wrong I am, and how homeopathy works and is proven and cures everything from hypochondria to cancer;)

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    1. Re:Not a hard prediction by amirulbahr · · Score: 0

      (In fact, just watch, I'm going to rub my crystal ball and predict that someone will promptly post a reply as to how wrong I am, and how homeopathy works and is proven and cures everything from hypochondria to cancer;)

      WRONG! This is /.. Everybody here is smart.

    2. Re:Not a hard prediction by laejoh · · Score: 0

      If you have a crystal ball you have more to worry about than beging wrong!

    3. Re:Not a hard prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Laejoh, you must believe in homeopathy.

    4. Re:Not a hard prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In that case, pubs and street corners are harmful too, and should also be banned.

    5. Re:Not a hard prediction by Wizard+Drongo · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I'm not a believer in many things, so call me a sceptic that has an open mind. I'm still convinced though that there is *something* paranormal at work with some people's minds. The average tea-room women, probably not. But every now and then you get someone who's predictions are too good, too spot-on time after time, that there is most likely something at work there. Then you've got the remote-viewers; some of them had success rates so good both the Russians and the Americans employed them in the Cold War (and probably still do) to telepathically spy on the enemies missile bases.

      You've then got empaths; people that can sense the mood of a group or a crowd, sometimes even affect it.
      Sure, these paranormal abilities are damned rare, and most claiming them are fakers. But I think there are at least a handful of genuine freaks out there. Probably something like 1 in 5 million or the like.
      Homeopathy? Yeah, it's a scam. But as I said, I think everyone has a latent ability that only that 1 in however million can actually consciously use. So maybe in the few documented cases where homeopathy has worked, it's just someone tapping into their paranormal talent and not knowing it.
      Either way, some proper research from a reputable scientist that isn't setting out to disprove psychic abilities, just wants to see if anything is happenin, would be really nice.

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    6. Re:Not a hard prediction by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Either way, some proper research from a reputable scientist that isn't setting out to disprove psychic abilities, just wants to see if anything is happenin, would be really nice.

      Yes, it's strange that despite all the alleged uncited examples you give of people who are apparently "too good" at predictions, this is never shown to work in repeatable scientific test conditions.

    7. Re:Not a hard prediction by ultranova · · Score: 3, Funny

      (In fact, just watch, I'm going to rub my crystal ball and predict that someone will promptly post a reply as to how wrong I am, and how homeopathy works and is proven and cures everything from hypochondria to cancer;)

      Homeopathy might well be the correct first-aid response to hypochondria: someone thinks they're sick but aren't, so give them a make-believe medicine.

      And be careful with the crystal ball, it it gathers enough static electricity it might turn into ball lighting.

      --

      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    8. Re:Not a hard prediction by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      That's because there are some things that are beyond science .... (Cue maniacal laughter)

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    9. Re:Not a hard prediction by damasterwc · · Score: 1

      what about the big money promoting twitter right now as the solution to counter the swine flu? intentions? discuss...

    10. Re:Not a hard prediction by valkenar · · Score: 1

      Aargh. No. Large sample size + random chance causes this. Human brains are lousy at understanding random, so they almost can't grasp that something that appears ordered might be a random fluke. Yes, every now and then you get someone's predictions who are spot on. But guess what, there are millions and millions of people who are constantly making predictions. Purely by random chance, one of those people is going to, on hindsight appear infallible.

      Consider a program that generates sets of 365 random 4 or 5 digit numbers and names them. Generate enough such sets and one of them will perfectly predict the dow jones average for every day next year. That is what you're seeing.

      There are no amazing people who are always right, there are only amazing people who have always been right so far. My brain is broken like this too and it makes me sad, but the fact is humans are pathetically stupid at apprehending randomness.

    11. Re:Not a hard prediction by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      Why are you convinced paranormal abilities exist? Where is that one out a million that can remotely view things reliably? Where is that empath that can change crowds moods? Where is that one person who's predictions are too spot on? They don't exist. If they did, they'd be famous & rich or at least have a giant vegas show.

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    12. Re:Not a hard prediction by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      You've then got empaths; people that can sense the mood of a group or a crowd

      Except that's easily explained by recognition of facial expression and body movement. You don't have to be an empath, you just have to be observant with a bit of psychology training thrown in.

      Telepathy could be explained fairly easily. The brain basically runs on electricity (hence EEG's). Just like in a copper wire, the currents in the brain create an electromagnetic field. In another nearby brain, that electromagnetic field creates a current (pretty sure this would be normal induction; it's been a while since my last E/M class), and the brain can interpret that current. Of course I'm not saying that anyone that claims to be telepathic must be telling the truth, but it seems to me that since it's a relatively simple phenomenon in physics, the idea shouldn't be dismissed as impossible.

    13. Re:Not a hard prediction by Touvan · · Score: 1

      Just to add, on the net, things do turn around.. eventually. For example, here on Slashdot, the comments used to drip freemarket talking points. Most of that has died off, and there is now a new sort of consensus around a role for government (still not well defined but getting there).

      I'm hoping this is the last S.A.R.S., bird flu, swine flu meme that will really take hold, at least for a while. It's well passed silly to be this worked up over something like this - and it does look like this one isn't catching on quite like bird flu did.

    14. Re:Not a hard prediction by steelfood · · Score: 1

      From experience, it's just making good estimations. You can't predict the future, but you can assess the probability of a certain scenario happening in the future. People with enough foresight, enough domain-specific and general knowledge, will be able to better make those assessments. Being able to prioritize the knowledge, to filter the noise, and that jazz is also important, but can be acquired through experience. What is probably most crucial, and what most people fail at, is to be completely emotionally detached, because emotions will fog up the calculations. The easiest way for a normal, non-psychopathic person to do this is to give best-, worst-, and most-likely-case estimations, i.e. use hope, fear, and find a happy balance in between.

      Many abilities seem to be paranormal, but it's really just a different level of intellect, directed in a way that you might have never imagined possible. Now, when people can start moving large inanimate objects with their mind (because some people can generate a magnetic field with their brains that's large enough to move small ferrous objects), that's when I'll concede to the paranormal.

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      "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
    15. Re:Not a hard prediction by alfs+boner · · Score: 0
      I'm not a believer in many things, so call me a sceptic that has an open mind. I'm still convinced though that there is *something* paranormal at work with some people's minds.

      I think this statement underscores really well how poor and deficient your critical thinking skills are. Such a glaring contradiction in the first two sentences would normally sink a post that was otherwise made intelligent points and contained useful information, but you don't even have that going for you. Instead you go on about how you do believe in things like psychics, "remote viewers," and "empaths," with some random "1 in 5 million or the like" figures pulled out of your ass. "Not a believer in many things," huh? Then you throw us a bone when you say "homeopathy" is a scam, as if it gives you street cred as a sceptic, or at least someone who isn't a total gullible loser. And at least both of us know that when you say "reputable scientist" you mean "someone who will tell me what I want to hear."

      This is what happens when you drop out of college.

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    16. Re:Not a hard prediction by againjj · · Score: 1

      How wrong you are! Homeopathy works and is proven and cures everything from hypochondria to cancer!

    17. Re:Not a hard prediction by j_166 · · Score: 1

      Or working for the government.

    18. Re:Not a hard prediction by Wizard+Drongo · · Score: 1

      The telepathy thing was kinda my point, although as usual the /. crowd have gotten the wrong stick and ran with it.
      I'm not saying there's some spooky 'spirit' bullshit going on. Matter of fact I'm not even that religious.
      What I am saying is that there's an awful lot of noise about telepathy et al going on, so much so that I doubt it's *all* bullshit.
      Telepathy, empathy etc. ARE possible, and if they happen, they will have explainable rational scientific basis' for their existence and execution, like, as you said electrical brain-wave reception, or the like.
      Don't know if it *is* happening; I've not studied it for decades, done major investigations into it. All's I;m saying i that it *is* scientifically possible, and so we should investigate the claims properly before we throw the baby out with the bathwater...

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      The truth shall always be free: Boris Floricic is Tron.
    19. Re:Not a hard prediction by Wizard+Drongo · · Score: 1

      Sorry, matey, I finished Uni; didn't drop out till *after* i got my degree (and then only for financial/business reasons, my grades were great).

      I am convinced that there is such a large body of evidence, much of it shaky but some of it not, from o many varied and different sources, many of them out and out disbelievers who nonetheless feel it right to report their observations, even though they don't believe the conclusions themselves, that there *is* something going on. I then elaborated with a hypothesis mostly pulled out of my arse as to what the something might be, but for all I know, all those who claim visions, or powers etc. could all be suffering from the same syndrome, or any other number of other rational explanations.

      I don't believe in any psychic phenomena absolutely, merely I accept there is nothing particularly that prohibits their existence so until I am shown evidence to the contrary I will maintain an open mind when such claims are made that are not obviously bogus. I must admit I am leery of precog. I can think of several easily plausible ways that telepathy, empathy and remote viewing could occur, ditto affinities with water or electricity. Telling the future? Not so sure of that, but I'm still willing to keep an open mind. Science requires us to do so; just don't make conclusions...
      Have all the untried or unproven theories you like, as I do, just don't assume they are fact. I don't.

      Homeopathy on the other hand *has* been proven (at least to my satisfaction in a study I read in Uni) to be complete tat. There are many herbal remedies that do work, but homeopathy uses such low doses that there's not possible way they're having a medicinal effect.
      Crystals? That *may* have something in it; electrical impulses from the brain, resonation in crystalline structures etc. On the other hand it may be a bunch of voodoo bullshit. Pity there's not been any studies done.

      Lastly, ad hominem attacks are the last resort of the out-argued, the outwitted and the outclassed. Try and avoid them.

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      The truth shall always be free: Boris Floricic is Tron.
    20. Re:Not a hard prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who wants more information on how these scams and others, like psychics, work should check out Richard Dawkins interview with Derren Brown.

      http://richarddawkins.net/article,3414,Richard-Dawkins-interviews-Derren-Brown,RichardDawkinsnet-Richard-Dawkins-Derren-Brown

    21. Re:Not a hard prediction by Wizard+Drongo · · Score: 1

      That's when I'll bone up on my telekinesis skills and head to the bank with a load of black bags and "lift" me some cash..
      Wheee Apple Store & 50 XServes here I come...

      If only.

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      The truth shall always be free: Boris Floricic is Tron.
    22. Re:Not a hard prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learned colleague, reading your post just saved me climbing onto my soap box and ranting. Can I then just say in relation to everything you have said, bravo and ditto.

    23. Re:Not a hard prediction by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "..sceptic that has an open mind..
      By definition skeptic has an open mind.

      No blinded test has ever produced any results.

      None.

      It's an easy test to do, it's fair, and it offers proof.

      The only thing that is going on there is people falling victim of bias or ignorance.

      "But every now and then you get someone who's predictions are too good, too spot-on time after time, "

      such as....?

      "Then you've got the remote-viewers; some of them had success rates so good both the Russians "
      No, they didn't. What you had was a mini cold war where people where lying about success.
      Every remote viewer that was properly tested fail, or was found out to be cheating.

      "You've then got empaths; people that can sense the mood of a group or a crowd, sometimes even affect it."
      Yes, there call human beings and the detect subtly body language and voice tensions. Like most, if not all, animals.

      "So maybe in the few documented cases where homeopathy has worked, i"

      Actually there are no documented cases of it working, ever.

      "Either way, some proper research from a reputable scientist that isn't setting out to disprove psychic abilities, just wants to see if anything is happenin, would be really nice."

      That is a clear bias on your part. Many blinded tests ahve been done and found nothing.
      You just believe in this nonsense and refuse t understand what a blinded study is; so naturally if your bias isn't confirmed then you think the 'scientists' are out to stop something.

      Do you realize that the scientist how could prove something scictifically would win ther Nobel prize amd turn physics on it's head? That's a scintistss wet dream right there.

      So lets recap:
      No good double blinded test has ever shown any results.
      Nothing has ever been repeated.
      A million guess will be correct some times.
      And it is in any scientists best interest to prove 'paranormal' activity.

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    24. Re:Not a hard prediction by geekoid · · Score: 1

      no. The best first response in that situation is education. Nothing more. Do not go on perpetuating their mental illness, and an industry that kills people and depletes resource on a massive scale.

      Under no circumstance should homeopathy be given any credence

      --
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    25. Re:Not a hard prediction by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

      Actually the evidence for near-term precognition and telepathy is quite strong and repeatable even with experiments carefully designed to eliminate all potential confounding effects. See Dean Radin's review of the published, peer reviewed evidence in his talk at Google..

      Possible physical mechanisms have been proposed as well. It's not really woo anymore for those interested in science and evidence rather than dogmatic pack scientism.

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      "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?" - Patrick Henry
    26. Re:Not a hard prediction by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

      Well there is plenty of evidence, actually, you should read up on it if you are interested in being informed. Start with Dean Radin's talks and bibliographies.

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      "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?" - Patrick Henry
    27. Re:Not a hard prediction by lennier · · Score: 1

      Thank you!

      Dean Radin is very interesting. His Entangled Minds is a good summary of research including autoganzfeld (which is one of the most promising I think).

      http://www.amazon.com/Entangled-Minds-Extrasensory-Experiences-Quantum/dp/1416516778/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240988259&sr=8-1

      Some more good books:

      http://www.amazon.com/Extraordinary-Knowing-Science-Skepticism-Inexplicable/dp/0553382233/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240988146&sr=8-1

      (A good entry-level roundup of the field)

      http://www.amazon.com/Irreducible-Mind-hard-find-contemporary/dp/0742547922/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240988177&sr=8-1

      (A serious textbook with biomedical and cognitive science arguments)

      The short summary is: after 150 years of serious scientific investigation of the paranormal, we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that there IS an effect.

      We just don't have a mechanism for it. But that's where science should *start*, right? Not by rejecting the evidence.

      --
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    28. Re:Not a hard prediction by lennier · · Score: 1

      "By definition skeptic has an open mind."

      Yes. But not every *self-identified* skeptic really is one.

      Dean Radin is a good introduction to this field. There really is something going on, it's not electromagnetically mediated, the best physical analogy we have for it is quantum entanglement (but that does NOT mean it IS a quantum effect, just that it behaves similarly in some respects).

      http://www.amazon.com/Entangled-Minds-Extrasensory-Experiences-Quantum/dp/1416516778/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240988259&sr=8-1

      There's actually been 150 years of good research (since the founding of the Society for Psychical Research) which is mind-boggling but is simply ignored most of the time. It's actually the reverse of the infamous 'file drawer problem' - the really good cases for psi are usually thrown away precisely *because* they're too good, they don't fit expectations.

      No, it's not always reliably repeatable in individual cases. That's not a problem, it's just a feature of the territory. Neither is human genius (that's not just a red herring -- there are strong arguments that the functioning of extraordinary states of human creativity is very similar to the psychological states which facilitate psi).

      Read the following for more information:

      http://www.amazon.com/Extraordinary-Knowing-Science-Skepticism-Inexplicable/dp/0553382233/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240988146&sr=8-1

      http://www.amazon.com/Irreducible-Mind-hard-find-contemporary/dp/0742547922/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240988177&sr=8-1

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    29. Re:Not a hard prediction by Fatalis · · Score: 1

      You mean this guy? Right.

      --
      Deus est fatalis
    30. Re:Not a hard prediction by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      Here is a not so well kept secret, the government sucks at keeping secrets.

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    31. Re:Not a hard prediction by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

      The linked article seemed to be a disconnected stream of poorly-sourced assertions and decontextualized distortions from a retired community college professor of philosophy who presents standard experimental analysis as "resorting to complex statistics", claims that all minds are illusory and makes totally unsupported claims in the face of overwhelming counter-evidence that "magical thinking", covert communications channels and bad random number generators are responsible for the repeatedly independently demonstrated results. (D-)

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    32. Re:Not a hard prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Loved your post. Just one thing: "And occasionally whole "theories" have been formed out of such stupid-preaching-to-the-stupid situations."
      You should have included Darwin's THEORY, too. And no, I haven't practiced religion for many years. (Guess I had to practice. Couldn't get it right.)

  31. false information in comic by drben · · Score: 5, Funny
    You cannot get swine flu from eating pork.

    However, you can get revenge that way.

    1. Re:false information in comic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose it depends on who's pork you are eating ;)

    2. Re:false information in comic by LrdDimwit · · Score: 1

      Revenge is dish, oh so sweet ... always turns sour in the end.

  32. I bet those are all Swindows users !1!!11 by elsamuko · · Score: 1

    Who didn't fix the well known critical vulnerability of Swindows and become now members of the conpigger aka swineflu.w32 botnet.

  33. don't blame twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    logic error:

    blaming twitter is like blaming an email server... following your logic if I and a few other people took a shit in a bucket and mailed it to you, you would blame the post office and not us? well give me your address than!

  34. Thank God - I'm safe, I'm a vegetarian by Chrisq · · Score: 3, Funny

    At least I won't have to bother with all this washing your hands, avoiding public places, looking out for symptoms malarkey. Serves you meat eaters right!

    1. Re:Thank God - I'm safe, I'm a vegetarian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      lol - you wish!

      (It's not caught from eating pork)

    2. Re:Thank God - I'm safe, I'm a vegetarian by MBaldelli · · Score: 3, Funny

      lol - you wish!

      (It's not caught from eating pork)

      Apparent damage to sarcasm duly noted.

      So tell me, did this damage to your sense of sarcasm happen because of the swine flu, or just hanging around here for years?

      --
      "The truth points to itself." - Kosh, Babylon5
    3. Re:Thank God - I'm safe, I'm a vegetarian by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, because there's no reason to worry about vegetables causing illnesses.

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      We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
    4. Re:Thank God - I'm safe, I'm a vegetarian by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I'm safe too. I keep kosher. [channeling type="right-wing preacher"]Clearly this is God punishing Christians for abandoning the Torah/Old Testament laws! Repent and ye shall be saved![/channeling]

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    5. Re:Thank God - I'm safe, I'm a vegetarian by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security.

      So Gordon Brown's policy is not original after all. Quelle Surprise!

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  35. But there is a difference... by SerpentMage · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The difference is that we get a new sort of belief chain.

    In the pub your degrees of freedom is 1 maybe 2, but on the Internet it truly becomes 6...

    So while in a pub you will have people spewing theories, it will stay in the pub. Whereas on the Internet, a friend copies a friend, copies a friend and at the end we have the entire world believing things will come to an end.

    In this stock market the reason why it was such a harsh drop was not because times were crap. But there was one thing new...

    BLOGS... We have this huge echo chamber of how bad things are FROM third hand people.

    If you were to say, "ok so how bad are times for you?" Most would say, "oh not so bad, but its really bad for some other folks."

    Well do that enough you start wondering who these "other" folks are...

    BTW I did buy heavily in this stock market drop! And I am actually positive for my ENTIRE portfolio for the year!

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    "No," said Samuel, "but you can make very fast pig"
    1. Re:But there is a difference... by mabinogi · · Score: 1

      If you were to say, "ok so how bad are times for you?" Most would say, "oh not so bad, but its really bad for some other folks."

      That's what really bothers me right now - particularly in Australia. Most people are better off now than they've ever been. Mortgage rates are at their lowest rates in 40 years, tax rates have been going down steadily, the government is handing out money all over the place. The only bad thing the average Australia will have noticed will be their Super has dropped significantly - and most people don't pay any attention to that anyway, and those that do will be on top of the situation.

      The only people suffering are those who have lost jobs (which at the current point in time, in Australia, is not many), and those whose wealth mainly consisted of shares.
      For the average working and middle class families, there IS no economic crisis.

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    2. Re:But there is a difference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not just super. I estimate I've lost over $200k in investment value in the last 12 months. Not including any drop in super or real estate values.

    3. Re:But there is a difference... by NatasRevol · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seeing as Slashdot isn't Australio-centric, could you explain what super is?

      Googling for super isn't very informative, and there's very little context to make the search more relevant.

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    4. Re:But there is a difference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'm guessing they have Regular, Super and Diesel in Oz. It's the same in America, at least the gas stations I go to.

    5. Re:But there is a difference... by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      So while in a pub you will have people spewing theories, it will stay in the pub. Whereas on the Internet, a friend copies a friend, copies a friend and at the end we have the entire world believing things will come to an end.

      There's no difference at all - the people who hear it in the pub will tell their friends, no different to on the Internet. Why would there be any difference? Worse, in real life it's easier for information to change as a form of chinese whispers, where as at least a copy and paste is unaltered.

      There are also other odd situations in real life, such as A tells person B some rumour, then later person B says back to A how he also heard this rumour from someone. Person A thinks that this is more evidence for the rumour, even though person B might only be remembering what he heard from A in the first place!

      The Internet has made improvements in that it's also much easier to look up citations, or to double-check facts (sure, a lot of email-forwarders don't, but for those who do, it's easier). When I now have conversations in real life, I have a nagging doubt whenever I say things like "Some people think ..." - it's the Internet that has encouraged the practice of supporting statements like that, where as in real life not only is this never done, most people never even think anything problematic about it.

      I can see the problem with Twitter is that it's harder to double check or cite sources in that medium. The main problem compared with real life is probably the number of people you can reach - the number of people reading your Twitter posts is probably higher than the number you'd be talking to in a pub.

    6. Re:But there is a difference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grats?

      Also, please don't tell me you actually believe the drop was purely fabricated through the media. If so I believe I have a tin foil hat just your size.

      Oh, and I found those "other" folks you were referring to: BBC Article

    7. Re:But there is a difference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=australia+super

      First four links...

    8. Re:But there is a difference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      superannuation

    9. Re:But there is a difference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Superannuation.

      It is easily found by googling with context (eg. "australia super dropped" or "super money australia"), and there was plenty of context there to suggest it had to do with money and income.

      Admit it, you just didn't try :)

      (either that or you suck at using search engines)

    10. Re:But there is a difference... by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      No, I didn't try :-)

      But honestly, I still had to go read about it after being informed what it was.

      I guess it's just like Social Security in the US. But with more money - for fewer people.

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    11. Re:But there is a difference... by steelfood · · Score: 1

      You still have much to learn, grasshopper.

      --
      "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
    12. Re:But there is a difference... by sjames · · Score: 1

      The internet speeds the process but doesn't really expand it.

      The spew in the pub never did stay there. The patrons take it home with them and share with their spouses. Then both go to work and share it at the water cooler. All those people then share it in their respective pubs that evening. Lather, rinse, repeat.

      The internet is just more of the same only faster.

    13. Re:But there is a difference... by Vetala · · Score: 1

      It's only a guess, but GP is probably using "Super" as a short form of "Superannuation," which is essentially a pension. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superannuation_in_Australia

    14. Re:But there is a difference... by PachmanP · · Score: 1

      it's the Internet that has encouraged the practice of supporting statements like that, where as in real life not only is this never done, most people never even think anything problematic about it.

      [Citation needed]

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    15. Re:But there is a difference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Superannuation - http://www.ato.gov.au/super/

    16. Re:But there is a difference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Super = superannuation. If you're from the US I would probably compare it to the 401(k); part of your pay is taken and placed in a fund until you retire.

    17. Re:But there is a difference... by kingturkey · · Score: 1

      Superannuation - mandatory retirement/investment funds to which employers are required to make contributions.

    18. Re:But there is a difference... by mabinogi · · Score: 1

      It's a retirement plan.
      Every employer is required by law to invest 9% of an employee's pay into a superannuation fund. Employees can also supplement the employer contributions with additional payments - both pre and post tax.

      The super funds then invest the money - with the member usually having control over the way in which the fund does the investing. Recently it has also become easy for people to chose which super fund their money is invested in, rather than being restricted to whichever fund their employer has a relationship with.

      Generally you can't draw from your super fund until you reach retirement age - so it's strictly for retirement purposes.

      Because of the automatic, mandatory employer contributions a lot of people don't pay any attention to their super funds at all, and so they won't have noticed the fact that they've just lost 20% of their net worth in the last year.

      Those that do pay attention, will have either taken steps to ensure their money is invested in a way less likely to lose money, or have taken the calculated risk to leave things as they are.

      The people it really hurts are those close to retirement age, who don't have much time in which to make up the losses - though really, those people should have already changed their preferences to the safer options by now anyway.

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    19. Re:But there is a difference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superannuation

      An American equivalent is the 401(k).

    20. Re:But there is a difference... by Meski · · Score: 1

      Think 401k. Why do youse guys call it that, anyway?

    21. Re:But there is a difference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I went to a "gas station" in America, and all I got was liquid. What's the story there?

  36. No its official by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    You can catch swine flue just by using twitter. Funny, with a name like that I always though that bird flue was the bigger risk.

  37. Twitter is Officially No Longer Considered Cool by mlush · · Score: 1

    (If it ever was cool that is)

    Twitter is becomming the butt of jokes in the mainstream media this is not happening because the media are scared of Twitter. Its because Twitter has become a byword for ill informed content and mob mentality to the extent that I've heard stand up comedians can get a laugh out of mocking it.

    This is not good for Twitter. It needs to reinvent itself fast or it will die a victim of its own success.

  38. I have to wonder by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    Is it really a bad thing if Twitter addicts wind up charging off a cliff in an ecstasy of pointless panic? This is Social Darwinism at its best. Everybody wins.

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    1. Re:I have to wonder by rts008 · · Score: 1

      It's only a bad thing if either the cliff is not tall enough for 100% kills, or if you don't get all of the twits over the edge of said cliff.

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    2. Re:I have to wonder by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      A valid point, sir. I accept your valuable revision in the spirit it was intended.

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  39. as oppose to what? by mathfeel · · Score: 1

    Have anyone caught any of the continuing coverage on all the major network today?? You don't think people will panic after watching those??

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  40. Still not exactly new by Moraelin · · Score: 1

    It's still not exactly new. Stupidities have occasionally spread out of control before too. E.g., the idea of curing everything with a magnet has happened centuries before blogs, and it spread world-wide anyway. And since we're talking the stock market, the crash of 1929 happened long before blogs.

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  41. Critizing Twitter for that is the same as ... by fadir · · Score: 1

    claiming that the (snail) mail is responsible for mail bombs. Twitter is just the media, it's still the people that cause a hype or a panic.

    A media can make it easier for a panic to spread but would you charge the manufacturer of a knife if someone uses it to kill a person instead of preparing a filet?

    1. Re:Critizing Twitter for that is the same as ... by nathan.fulton · · Score: 1

      would you charge the manufacturer of a knife if someone uses it to kill a person instead of preparing a filet?

      CHARGE?! God no, you sue. This is America.

    2. Re:Critizing Twitter for that is the same as ... by SpinyNorman · · Score: 1

      Yeah but twitter is specifically sound-bite media(140 char max tweets, so it's essentially context-free.

      Mind you, the same can be said for sound-bite orientated TV news "coming up, american idol scandal, swine flu kills 100".

      OTOH more in depth media like weekly magazines (Time, NewsWeek) and sunday newspapers give a more considered account.

  42. @CDCemergency by DataSurge · · Score: 1

    Twitter is great for following and understanding this. @CDCemergency is the Center for Disease Control and what a great way to get the news straight from the swine's mouth, so so speak?

  43. Harmful? by zmollusc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Far from being harmful to the panic, I would say that twitter is helping the panic considerably.

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  44. But isn't the Government clueless always by freedom_india · · Score: 1

    Governments ALWAYS have only reacted when forced to do so by people: to any crisis.
    Whether its Katrina or SARS or insurgency in Iraq, the Government does NOT ever take proactive action until its too late or very late.
    Twitter helps to give a swift kick in the Government's A$s to get it going quickly.
    Unfortunately, the Government hates Twitter for its visibility. After all billions of tax payers dollars are shovelled out to FEMA and CDC for hogging the limelight.
    Now, a small kid like Twitter which the government can't control or stifle comes along and steals the thunder.
    The Government behaves like Monica Geller or FRIENDS fame: "You stole my thunder."

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    1. Re:But isn't the Government clueless always by Alioth · · Score: 1

      Oh, no government does take pro-active action, but only when it comes to spying on people - for example, creating identity databases, demanding that all your communications are recorded, installing cameras everywhere!

    2. Re:But isn't the Government clueless always by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, did you not know about the press conference last Sunday given by the CDC and HHS personnel? Having a press conference on the weekend is rare in the USA, from either government or private organizations. It was also less than 48 hours from the first real news about the outbreak. No matter what your opinion on politicians and governments, this reaction is quite different from the response to Katrina or SARS.

    3. Re:But isn't the Government clueless always by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Bullshit.
      There has been pandemic plans in place for over 50 years.

      Dumbass.

      "...Twitter which the government can't control or stifle comes ..."

      My Apologies

      Paranoid dumbass.

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    4. Re:But isn't the Government clueless always by freedom_india · · Score: 1

      Righhhhht.
      And we had FEMA for many more years.
      Since you are a genius, explain why exactly was Katrina allowed to happen???

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  45. You do realize what the caption means? by registered_after_8_y · · Score: 1

    How is Twitter harmful to panic? Should we all use Twitter to guard ourselves against Swin-Flu Panic? Help, I need to sign up for twitter asap then!

  46. Re:Madagascar by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    I'm thinkin' you're thinkin' this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A45jv8uhZwo

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  47. Re:1st it was bird flu, now its swine flu: load of by dzfoo · · Score: 1

    It really does not scare me. Did you actually read the numbers and put them in context? Here, let me help you:

    Total Cases: 421
    Total Deaths: 257
    Mortality Rate: 61%

    That means that in about seven years, throughout the expanse of the planet, 421 people have contracted the desease, of which about 60% died.

    I'm not really impressed by that number. Sure, it means that the infected have higher than 50% chance of dying, but it also means that there is very little chance of becoming infected. Then, you also have to consider risk factors, mitigating circumstances, and geographical barriers; and it starts to look like one of those very deadly deseases that sound so scary and everybody knows their names, yet have little chance of ever knowing someone who contracted it, much less died of it.

              -dZ.

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  48. GOOGLE GOOD TWITTER BAD! by Bayoudegradeable · · Score: 1

    Whoa there, cowboyneal. Any one else notice what this summary is all about? Twitter is terrible! It hurts! Twitter bad! Google, however, is goooood. Goooood gooooogle. Use Google, NOT Twitter! Slashvertising for the pandemic age?

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  49. Big Pharma is behind Twitter! by nathan.fulton · · Score: 1

    1) Get a bunch of idiots who are all susceptible to the latest trend in whatever is marketed well enough.
    2) Provide said idiots with a way to communicate thoughts that doesn't require thinking or processing what is being published for more than the key seconds it takes to type
    3) Say OMGZVIUSSESandalsoPONIES
    4) sell vaccine
    5) ???
    6) Profit!

  50. Well....in past tense... by Veneratio · · Score: 1

    Past tense for Tweet is Twat. All the article is saying is that there's a reason for that :)

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  51. So Twitter... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    ...is the new TV? (Starts at 1:16 min.)

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  52. However, everyone should follow this guy: by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 1

    Seriously, this one guy named @CDCemergency seems to know what he's talking about.

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  53. Let it die. by taxman_10m · · Score: 1

    Oh please for the love of all things holy, let it die!

    1. Re:Let it die. by mlush · · Score: 1

      Oh please for the love of all things holy, let it die!

      Don't worry its replacement will be even more heinous. Say Twitter with Wikipedia style moderation.

    2. Re:Let it die. by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Twitter with Wikipedia style moderation.

      phew, smelly poop -- [citation needed]
      @kv8vk that _was_ smelly poop. local news article: http://example.com/
      @kgg7ig @kv8vk citation for smelly poop unreliable; local news site cited @kv8vk's twitter feed.

  54. O RLY? by denzacar · · Score: 1

    I'm not a part of a conspiracy or the Illuminati.

    Sounds mighty suspicious like somethin someone who actually IS involved in a government conspiracy might say.

    Born in Charleston, SC to a Navy family.
    Grew up in Indianapolis, IN at Catholic schools for 12 years.
    Graduated from Virginia Tech, with two BAs, one in History and the other in English.
    Spent one year in Key West, moved to Fairbanks, Alaska on January 14, 2008. When I arrived, the high temperature was -40F.
    Working at the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner newspaper.

    Someone born and raised in the southern climate, with military family and religious upbringing, degrees in "telling you how it really happened" moves to Alaska on one of the coldest days in the year - so HE could decide "what folks need to stay informed"?

    Luckily, I have had my tinfoil hat on or I might have missed that cleverly hidden link to your Fark profile.

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  55. Oh no! by zigurat667 · · Score: 0

    Somebody who's wrong on the internets makes more people wrong on the internet!

  56. I for one welcome our new micro blogging overlords by cojoneees · · Score: 1

    [offtopic]

    jesus, man. seems like one in every 10 news is twitter related. we should at least create its own icon for the articles :)

    [/offtopic]

  57. "or it will die" by denzacar · · Score: 1

    But what will Ashton Kutcher do then?

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  58. Art imitating life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The sad thing is that Twitter search has "swine flu" as the #1 search. That said, some of the comments are pretty hilarious. One of the twits asked something like, "With this swine flu, is it okay to eat bacon? It did say it's been cured."

  59. political side by tatman · · Score: 1

    Let's not forget the political side of this story. There is a political side that utterly hates and detests the open nature of the internet. They are motivated to use situations like this to point out weaknesses, at a minimum. I remember when the internet "became the thing" in the mid/late 90s. This reporter was reporting about cookies (browser cookies). She was just so freaked out about how terrible that there was no control (aka government control) over cookies. The media and certain political establishments have been, from early on, feeling threatened by the internet since it's popularity became mainstream. I really feel this criticism of Twitter is motivated by that.

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    1. Re:political side by Arimus · · Score: 1

      Wrong, at the moment I suspect various governments including the UK are loving the chance to be able to slip bad news out under the radar of the usually attentiveness of the media in their doings.

      This story has knocked any criticism of our beloved Chancellor off the front pages....

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  60. Which disease are you talking about? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    Swine flu, or Twitter?

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  61. HEY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Siddhartha, is that you??

    1. Re:HEY! by chromas · · Score: 1

      No, but I just went to Wikipedia and I feel enlightened.

  62. Media has got to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well i agree that 140 chars can really scare people, it can't have anything to do with the media talking about this 24 hours a day, and saying just enough to scare you. For instance, COULD THIS BE A PANDEMIC, AND WILL YOU DIE? Find out at 4:00 The media has got to change their ways.

  63. Misleading Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Twitter's actually good for swine flu panic, it's just that panic is generally considered bad.

    1. Re:Misleading Headline by 2muchcoffeeman · · Score: 1

      I'm actually grateful to Twitter in this instance. Without /.'s Twitter feed alerting me to allegations that Twitter is spreading panic about swine flu, I never would have known that Twitter is being accused of spreading panic about swine-flu.

      Where would I be without a Twitter post telling me how awful Twitter posts are?

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  64. Swine-Flu OutBreak Source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its sad, that only when something get out of control... we become aware of the wrong things our companys do in the third world

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/27/swine-flu-search-outbreak-source

    1. Re:Swine-Flu OutBreak Source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Corruption its a problem only of the third world?

      Smithfield was a problem in Virginia before going to mexico

      http://famewatcher.com/2009/04/origin-cause-of-swine-flu-smithfield.html

  65. Randi? by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Either way, some proper research from a reputable scientist that isn't setting out to disprove psychic abilities, just wants to see if anything is happenin, would be really nice.

    How about the Randi 1 million dollar challenge?

    Most preliminary tests are filmed (and everyone so far flunked the preliminaries badly) and looking at some of them, the requests weren't unreasonable, the test setup wasn't stacked against the claimant in any way, etc. I haven't seen any where it would even matter whether he's set to disprove those claims or not. Either you see auras through walls, or you don't. Either you can tell the history of an object by touch, or you don't. Either you can dowse or you don't. Those people just plain old didn't have the powers they claimed to have.

    I mean, seriously, when you see a group of Australia's best dowsers manage to average 1 in 10 guesses right for 10 pipes out of which only 1 has water, it's hard to take it as anything else than dumb guesswork. I don't see how Randi's agenda can affect the fact than when asked to guess the right 1 in 10, those people averaged 1 right guess in 10.

    I'm not a believer in many things, so call me a sceptic that has an open mind. I'm still convinced though that there is *something* paranormal at work with some people's minds. The average tea-room women, probably not. But every now and then you get someone who's predictions are too good, too spot-on time after time, that there is most likely something at work there

    Some are really just smart people. You don't have to be a psychic to do _some_ predictions. E.g., since we're in a sub-thread about an XKCD comic, as I was saying, you don't have to be a psychic to predict that in any scare there'll be surrealistically dumb posts on twitter. (Or generally on the Internet.)

    Some are just lucky guesses. Due to the nature of random numbers and events, if you have enough people rolling a die, someone out there _will_ get 10 sixes in a row.

    Some are just vague enough that they can be interpreted to apply to a few billion different people, and to a thousand fundamentally different events. See, horoscopes, for example. Take some horoscopes and randomly change the star signs, e.g., take the personality description or daily prediction for a pisces and give it to a libra, and see if they notice. Invariably it's just as good.

    Then you've got the remote-viewers; some of them had success rates so good both the Russians and the Americans employed them in the Cold War (and probably still do) to telepathically spy on the enemies missile bases.

    Actually, both the USA and the Russians _tried_ using all sorts of paranormal stuff. None of them actually delivered any useful results.

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    1. Re:Randi? by Wizard+Drongo · · Score: 1

      I'e seen too much evidence that sure, it might be coincidence, but on the other hand it might not. Randi's as bad as the hoaxers. No objectivity at all. I'd like to see an objective study using MRI scanning at the time a "psychic" makes a prediction, see if there's anything odd happening. We've already seen how plants exploit quantum effects for their benefit, and I've heard theories (just theories mark you) of how an evolved response in humans where they'd use a quantum effect to ascertain probability, or even influence probability. And that's just pre-cognisance, one of the harder telepathic skills to explain. Telepathy, empathy, all of them are scientifically possible. Whether they do or do not exist hasn't yet been proven A rigourous study with a *lot* of people that claim these skills and have a good body of evidence to suggest they may would be good. I suspect if there is any such person, that the skill would be extremely nebulous, and prone to double-guessing by their conscious mind, hence why some of them may exhibit the skill at home when they're not really caring, but might not work in a stressful environment when they *want* something to happen to get their grubby mitts on the $1 million.

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    2. Re:Randi? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      Due to the nature of random numbers and events, if you have enough people rolling a die, someone out there _will_ get 10 sixes in a row.

      I'm rolling a d4, you insensitive clod!

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    3. Re:Randi? by vertinox · · Score: 0

      Most preliminary tests are filmed (and everyone so far flunked the preliminaries badly) and looking at some of them, the requests weren't unreasonable, the test setup wasn't stacked against the claimant in any way, etc. I haven't seen any where it would even matter whether he's set to disprove those claims or not. Either you see auras through walls, or you don't. Either you can tell the history of an object by touch, or you don't. Either you can dowse or you don't. Those people just plain old didn't have the powers they claimed to have.

      I have a personal theory to why you will never able to video tape either physic phenomenon, spiritual miracles, or supernatural events even when witnessed by large groups of people.

      There are ways to simulate a "religious experience" through electromagnetic waves (also I suppose you can do that with LSD as well). Some say this could also be caused by genetic problems. I have personally experienced visual effects by meditation once a few times by staring at something for long enough or perhaps it was because I was hung over?

      Anyways... Neither meditation, LSD, or genetics explains why large groups experience something unexplainable and see things that are not recorded by cameras.

      I think the only possibly explanation is that there are electromagnetic, gravitational, or a combination of weak forces that are hard to measure. One correlation is the history of ghosts in Japan and its seismic activity and low gravity when compared to other places.

      Of course it is pure speculation on my part and does not explain how people seem to be able to affect other people.

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    4. Re:Randi? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Randi's as bad as the hoaxers. No objectivity at all. I'd like to see an objective study using MRI scanning at the time a "psychic" makes a prediction, see if there's anything odd happening.

      I'd like to see a "psychic" make a correct prediction before I start giving a shit whether anything odd is happening in their brain, unless it's to try to distinguish whether it's the "lie" center of the brain that's firing, or the "self delusion" center. Trying to figure out the cause before you've confirmed there is an effect is the definition of wild goose chase.

      How you get that a mere lack of objectivity and a predisposition to disbelieve in psychic phenomenon, makes Randi as bad as people lying in order to scam innocent but gullible people out of their money is beyond me.

      You do realize that many of the greatest experiments in history were performed by people who were not anything close to objective? Michelson and Morely were not objective in the slightest, they were absolutely convinced that the Luminiferous Ether existed and their experiment would prove it, and they re-ran it all over the world and with every modification they could think of to explain why they continued to get null results. They continued even after much of the scientific community had started to take their result to mean that the Ether wasn't real. Eventually they had to admit defeat and accept reality, reluctant though they were to do so. Yet at no point did their lack of objectivity actually effect the reality that the Ether doesn't exist.

      So let me know when there's a douser who can identify water 9/10 of the time consistently, and Randi still denies that there's anything to it even after the guy passes every test he throws at him, and then I'll agree that a lack of objectivity is in some way relevant. Unless it's your theory that his lack of belief somehow interferes with the sprits' communications or the quantum-prediction-power or whatever nonsense you think is powering these "powers". Which I'm sure the shysters themselves will say. "Ooh your skepticism is putting the spirits off. I can only talk to them in front of completely credulous gullible idiots."

      We've already seen how plants exploit quantum effects for their benefit, and I've heard theories (just theories mark you) of how an evolved response in humans where they'd use a quantum effect to ascertain probability, or even influence probability. And that's just pre-cognisance, one of the harder telepathic skills to explain. Telepathy, empathy, all of them are scientifically possible.

      LOL. Yeah, QM interpretations based on puns on the Schroedinger's Cat thought experiment, and ordinary chemistry that incorporates QM effects (which happens all the time), totally explain how pre-cognizance is possible. Psychic Invisible Pink Unicorns are scientifically possible, since we haven't proven that they aren't, we just have no reason to think they exist and all semi-plausible mechanisms by which they could exist show nothing, and none of the people who claim to be able to find them with ease can demonstrate this ability to anyone who doesn't already believe in them.

      hence why some of them may exhibit the skill at home when they're not really caring, but might not work in a stressful environment when they *want* something to happen to get their grubby mitts on the $1 million.

      Some? You mean all. You can use the same reason to explain why some people can't answer easy questions on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, but at the end of the day some people win. But there's not one person with paranormal powers out there who is confident enough in their ability to make it work for a million bucks?

      Fine. Then send them my way and I'll give them some practice. I'll give them $20 and a six pack if they can demonstrate their ability, and I promise not to record it so they won't be embarrassed in front of anyone but me when they fail. Oh wait, that lacked objectivity -- I meant if they fail. I hope that slip-up didn't nullify their powers!

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    5. Re:Randi? by ultranova · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We've already seen how plants exploit quantum effects for their benefit, and I've heard theories (just theories mark you) of how an evolved response in humans where they'd use a quantum effect to ascertain probability, or even influence probability.

      This is related to how voodoo dolls work through quantum entanglement. Basically, if you have something from the four basic voodoo groups - something from the Head, something from the Dead, something of the Body and something of the Thread - and combine them into a voodoo doll, their combined effect superimposes their combined quantum superposition over the targets, thus forcing the target to collapse its wave function in the same way as the doll.

      Future advances in the field also show great promise: given any animate part of a quantum system, such as a beard that's still twitching, it should be possible to re-synthesize the entire quantum state of the system. This was originally suggested by an unknown user going by screen name "Largo", who apparently had some success there, but he seems to have been sucked into another dimension. I guess quantum research still has its dangers and will demand its victims, the same as early research into radioactivity.

      But seriously: why do some people insist on perverting Quantum Mechanics into Quantum Mysticism and treating it like magic?

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    6. Re:Randi? by StDoodle · · Score: 1

      Some are really just smart people. You don't have to be a psychic to do _some_ predictions.

      Yes, it's television, but the show Psych is actually a good example of this. Main character Shawn was trained by his detective father to pick up on subtle clues and make conclusions no one else could; but no one believes him, since he's such a slacker, until he attributes his conclusions to being psychic.

    7. Re:Randi? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      But seriously: why do some people insist on perverting Quantum Mechanics into Quantum Mysticism and treating it like magic?

      I think it started with a selective mis-reading of Schroedinger's "The Present Situation in Quantum Mechanics" where the word "observation", used as a synonym for (and in the same paper interchangeably with) "measurement", is instead anthropomorphized to mean that there must be an observer, a sentient entity watching what happens, before the waveform will collapse. Which is then the silly person's spring board for saying that if it takes a sentient entity to observe a quantum state and cause it to collapse, maybe this entity can somehow influence the collapse.

      That the very purpose of the whole thought experiment was to illustrate how the the-current state of QM had large gaps which could lead to absurdities (a cat both alive and dead) without contradicting the theory is rather lost on them.

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    8. Re:Randi? by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 1

      Because for a lot of people, it IS magic. Seriously, people consider a computer to be like magic already. And that's just some code doing fairly predictable things with electronics. Now picture these same people exposed to quantum tunneling, spooky action at a distance and wave-particle duality.

      I'd say that I'm surprised that there isn't a religion based on quantum mechanical terminology.

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    9. Re:Randi? by j_166 · · Score: 1

      "Actually, both the USA and the Russians _tried_ using all sorts of paranormal stuff. None of them actually delivered any useful results."

      Just out of curiosity, how do we know either way if the results were useful or not? Both efforts were likely classified and run through a propaganda matrix to throw off the other side. Unless you or the parent were involved in some way.

    10. Re:Randi? by j_166 · · Score: 1

      "I'd say that I'm surprised that there isn't a religion based on quantum mechanical terminology."

      Actually there is: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0399877/

    11. Re:Randi? by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      Look up Derren Brown. He's a very clever man who has been doing the "psychic" routine for a long while now, with more than enough success to convince you he's real.

      The difference? He admits he's not. He's written books about his methods. He even explains some of his more outlandish tricks afterwards. And he happily uses the same trickery skills for shows that don't have the psychic theme.

      Anyone who has watched Derren Brown should be under no illusion as to what a clever and charismatic person can do- magical powers not necessary.

    12. Re:Randi? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      You miss the point.
      A double blinded test doesn't CARE WHO SET IT UP OR THE BIAS OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED.

      "Telepathy, empathy, all of them are scientifically possible. "

      Ah, I see, you are stupid, my bad for wrestling with this pig.

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    13. Re:Randi? by Wizard+Drongo · · Score: 1

      Again with the ad hominem attacks. Plato weeps.

      No, I am not stupid. They *are* scientifically plausible. Whether they happen or not is another issue entirely.
      Looking forward to your views on techlepathy as well, some of the things Kevin Warwick is doing in this field is truly "mindblowing", if you'll pardon the pun.

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  66. Exactly what one should expect of twits by flyingfsck · · Score: 0

    Am I the only one around here that doesn't use Facebook or Twitter?

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    1. Re:Exactly what one should expect of twits by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one around here that doesn't use Facebook or Twitter?

      Yes.

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    2. Re:Exactly what one should expect of twits by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      No. you are not.
      Twitter == Pointless

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    3. Re:Exactly what one should expect of twits by rts008 · · Score: 1

      No!
      To both...
      I see enough of the 'Inane Improv Theater' here on /. to not want to jump into a deep sea of it.

      I have never visited either site.

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  67. It is a US conspiracy to eliminate Mexicans... by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    'Clearly, since only Mexicans die from it, while Americans and Canadians only get mildly ill, Swine Flu is a racially selective biological weapon developed by the CDC to solve the southern US border problem.' Beat that conspiracy theory.

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    1. Re:It is a US conspiracy to eliminate Mexicans... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      People in Europe have gotten it.

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    2. Re:It is a US conspiracy to eliminate Mexicans... by Kredal · · Score: 1

      True, but have any Europeans died from it? Forgetting for the moment that the GP was a troll, he might actually be on to something. Create a disease that anyone can catch and then show symptoms and spread, but only kills one particular population set. It would rapidly spread globally, infecting nearly everyone, but only wipe out one population...

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    3. Re:It is a US conspiracy to eliminate Mexicans... by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > ...but only wipe out one population...

      Something went wrong. It's only killing 5%.

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  68. Not unique to Twitter by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

    I've heard enough panic on the mainstream news. At least Twitter is limited to 140 chars of panic at a time.

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  69. Not harmful --- use 'worsens' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Harmful in that context means it's slowing down the panic, opposite to what's described in the summary.

  70. Folks this is serious by Provocateur · · Score: 1

    Would it be possible to catch the flu in a movie theater? a crowded movie theater? a crowded movie theater filled with unwashed, unshaved gadget-bearing red shirt-wearing pointy-eared basement dwellers that have hardly been exposed to sunlight?

    It's almost May 1, you know. Stop twitting, this is serious!

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  71. The 90% B.S. Rule of the Internet by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    Far too many people don't apply the 90% Bullsh*t Rule of the Internet (nowadays it's probably much higher). And yes there are people who read 140 characters and think what they just read is fact. The lesson to be learned here is go out and corroborate the facts for yourself.

  72. Swine flu spreads via Twitter! by Culture20 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Swine flu fears spread via Twitter! http://example.com/ ZOMG
    RT: @obojbaljsb @ljsndljsd @ksahbksjbdv Swine flu spread via Twitter! http://example.com/
    RT: @hbs9yho3u @9jbkjsrg @jkbs8h3g @kbhjs89 @kjbiugs3e Swine flu spreads via Twitter!
    Swine flu killed my friend via Twitter!
    Fail Whale.

  73. I disagree completely. Fight Fire with Fire. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In some cases, you need to use a communications technology that can distribute information faster than the phenomenon that you're combating. No doubt much of the "information" will be mis-information, but we must all remember that the medium does not negate the necessity of the user to think critically.

  74. Seriously, People...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those with any common sense know not to panic anyway. They should also know that Twitter is a social network site, not a reputatble source of important information. Therefore, I see that there is no problem.

  75. Twitter sucks to begin with... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lets just lay that foundation first.

  76. Twit of the Year by YoyodynePropulsionIn · · Score: 1

    Some time ago I offered my wife (who is by trade a Sociologist) $500 for a report that would help me understand the phenomenon of the growing popularity of Twitter. I waited a week than a month but in the end she did not produce the report, claiming that she could neither understand the phenomenon nor the purpose of the service.

    But recently, when queried on the topic she admitted giving it some serious consideration and that she simply concluded that her findings were too obvious for a report. After long conversation (and many misunderstandings) I found her thoughts fascinating. I summarize them below:

    The key theme is self expression.
    It is important to switch to that mode while reading below points (it took me a while to understand my wife's point). We tend to perceive Internet as a medium of sharing and exchanging ideas. We forget that while people care about access to information, they care more about themselves. They want to be heard and understood.

    The available tools for self expression are complicated.
    My initial reaction to that claim was that there are plenty of tools and that they are getting better, more sophisticated, more intuitive and simpler to use. Over the past 15 years these tools offered more and more opportunities to self express. There were discussion lists, message boards, Geocities [sic], blogs, and finally social networks like Myspace where people could easily upload pictures, connect with friends and discuss topics. Now, we have Facebook with all of that and universe of applications created by independent developers.

    But that is not the point.

    To participate in message board discussion I have to read other posts and construct a message. (Some people might not like my message, disagree with it or even call me an idiot). To start a blog I must come up with a topic, to post new pictures I must acquire new pictures (hopefully of myself or exciting places I visited). Being on Myspace or Facebook is even more complicated as I must acquire friends, produce some sensible posts and share some cool pictures of myself. Not an easy task regardless of technology at hand.

    Twitter solves the "nothing to say" problem of self expression.
    Twitter with 'What are you doing right now' and 140 characters limit solves the problem for people who have nothing to say. (With that setup everyone is equally brilliant and idiotic.) There is no pressure to come up with something meaningful. This self expression is simple and obvious. It is a total self indulgent. ("Twit of the Year" kind of thing.) What am I doing right now? There is no way to make self expression simpler. There are no conversations, no critique, no meaning. There is a reason why there are no groups on Twitter. Twitter is not about particular topic or subject, it is all about me.

    Twitter makes you feel important
    There is a reason why PR of Twitter is focused more on celebrities than any campaign for any other Internet service has been before. You tweet and Britney Spears tweets. You send your thoughts into Al Gore's Internet with the same ease and quality - 140 words. No groups, no conversations, no topics. With growing popularity and media coverage it is even better. You send you thoughts to Twitter and then you see Twitter mentioned on TV.

    This is the summary of my conversation with my wife.

    I as an economist must add my thoughts on how they will make money. I will make three points:

    Search is a Big Thing due to advertising money that come with it.

    Google, Microsoft and Yahoo search results are similar in quality (links to wikipedia).
    Most people (not nerds) do not even know/remember that Google was the Yahoo search engine. What makes Google different now is the place it occupies in hearts and minds. Microsoft tried to attack that with advertising and failed miserably.

    Twitter will attempt to establish a new paradigm that what matters in search is a real time search.
    It will not attack Google at its c

    1. Re:Twit of the Year by Trillan · · Score: 1

      I think your professor absolute nailed it.

    2. Re:Twit of the Year by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

      It will not attack Google at its core - Search. Instead it will invent new kind of search that will be more relevant to people (or so they will learn) and that, by the way, Twitter is best positioned to service - Real Time Search. "What Is Happening Right Now" kind of search.

      But do most people really care what other anonymous (or pseudonymous) people are doing? I don't, so that sort of search would be worthless to me. Of course, then again, I find Twitter in general pretty worthless.

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  77. More like . . . by base3 · · Score: 1

    . . . we the powers that be don't want the public to have tools that contradict whatever propaganda we might be pushing at the moment about the size and scope or lack thereof of an epidemic; the population is easier to control when we control the information they have access to. Don't panic, Americans.

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  78. Fad-ism by PMuse · · Score: 1

    Twitter is a fad. No better or worse than IM before it or email before that or cell phones before that or teenage girls on the home phone before that.

    Can we please stop talking about it now?

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  79. Sprint depiction of Twitter pretty much nailed it by macraig · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Have you seen the first of Sprint's current snarky commercials about its 3G network, in which it visually depicts the Twitter network as a mob of little blue birds all chirping "me!"...?

    I'd say that pretty much nails the whole narcissistic utility of Twitter.

  80. Swine Flu Causes Zombism by BurzumNazgul · · Score: 1

    ...someone start this twumer (twitter rumor) I'm to lazy.

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    1. Re:Swine Flu Causes Zombism by FiveDozenWhales · · Score: 1

      Nono, a twitter rumor is called a "tumor."

    2. Re:Swine Flu Causes Zombism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obligatory "it's not a tumor"

  81. Sheep will be fleeced... by rts008 · · Score: 1

    This all takes me back to a conversation I had with my wife in the 1980's.
    There were a multitude of 'Psychic Hotlines' scams being advertised on TV, and my wife asked what I thought about them.
    My reply? "Well, if they are really 'pysichic', them why should I have to call them? Wouldn't they 'know' to call me?"

    People often look for something that will fill an 'empty spot' in themselves.
    The uneducated/unimaginative frequently turn to some form of mysticism to try and fill that void.
    This has been happening since mankind started documenting history.

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  82. CDC Press Briefing... by rts008 · · Score: 1

    There was an interesting and informative link in a story here on /. on Saturday.

    Several Doctors from the CDC participated in the briefing. Here is a direct link to the briefing transcripts.

    They talk about the genetics, and their testing results in the briefing:[from CDC link above]
    "ANNE SCHUCHAT, MD, Interim Deputy Director for Science:[...]

    I want to tell you a little bit about what the laboratory ahs found from exploring this particular strain. CDC has conducted testing on all seven samples and we've determined that they are swine influenza A, H1N1. These are human infections with swine influenza viruses. These are viruses that usually infect pigs but in this case we're finding the illness in people.

    Preliminary testing of viruses from the first two patients shows that they are very similar. Additional testing is ongoing with the newer isolettes. We know so far that the viruses contain genetic pieces from four different virus sources. This is unusual. The first is our North American swine influenza viruses. North American avian influenza viruses, human influenza viruses and swine influenza viruses found in Asia and Europe.

    That particular genetic combination of swine influenza virus segments has not been recognized before in the U.S. or elsewhere. Of course, we are doing more testing now and looking more aggressively for unusual influenza strains. So we haven't seen this strain before but we haven't been looking as intensively as we are these days.

    The viruses are resistant to amantadine and rimantadine anti-viral drugs but they are sensitive or susceptible to oseltamivir and zanamivir, the newer anti-viral drugs for flu. And at this time we don't know exactly how people got the virus. None of the patients have had direct contact with pigs."

    [my emphasis]

    Your earlier comment referring to the briefing started me looking for this...I had remembered reading about it this past weekend.
    The briefing transcripts are an interesting read.

    The CDC seems to be in fairly good form with this incident.

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  83. Give a poor virus a break here, folks! by rts008 · · Score: 1

    I wonder if the US infection vector being (allegedly) young college kids on 'Spring Break' had something to do with it? Young healthy people would shrug off desease better than a more homogeneous population.

    *on a lighter note*
    Besides, trying to gain a 'foothold' and survive the toxic environment inside a college kid on 'Spring Break' in Mexico? That must be one tough virus to survive long enough to back 'home'. ;-)

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  84. So you want a flu panic? by jvkjvk · · Score: 1

    If Google is calculating flu statistics based on searches, it should be possible to create a large spike in the flu trend calculations with a relatively small botnet over a relatively short period of time, say a week. Especially if one were careful enough to follow a real outbreak pattern with the searches.

    I don't personally know which stocks to buy beforehand to make the most profit but I'm pretty sure with the right options strategy one could make a killing.

    Even if no more flu cases are reported by the CDC, the sheer number of people looking at Google's data as an accurate if not official version of what is actually happening.

  85. Placebo effect by huckamania · · Score: 1

    Homeopathy works, your just not gullible enough. If someone has a pain and a friend tells them to wear a magnet or copper or a pyramid on their head and they try it and their pain goes away, then they'll believe that works. From their perspective, it actually does work, so how can you argue that it doesn't. You can try to tell them they're gullible and more susceptible to the placebo effect, but more then likely they will only cling harder to their beliefs.

    I consider myself to be pro-science, but I see too many people who are aggressively anti-anything-not-100%-approved-to-be-scientific while ignoring some other piece of science (like the placebo effect).

    1. Re:Placebo effect by Moraelin · · Score: 1

      The difference is that any other kind of medicine has to work _better_ than the placebo effect, though.

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    2. Re:Placebo effect by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Placebo effect will sometimes work short term for mild discomforts.(see Chiropractor)
      It does not treat the problem.

      There is nothing wrong the using the placebo effect, just be knowledgeable that's what's at work. And yes, you can be aware it's a placebo and still experience the effects.

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    3. Re:Placebo effect by electrons_are_brave · · Score: 1

      "The difference is that any other kind of medicine has to work _better_ than the placebo effect, though". Absolutely. People are paying a fortune for something they believe is more than placebo when is just water and mumbo jumbo.

  86. hmm by geekoid · · Score: 1

    from the article:
    "it can prime your immune system"

    no, there is no such thing as priming your immune system or boosting your immune system, or Maximizing you immune system.

    If you don't understand why, STFU.

    "your immune system may be far more capable of fighting off a more lethal variant that could turn up later."

    again, STFU.

    "turbocharged swine flu "

    WTF? STFU.

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  87. Re:Sprint depiction of Twitter pretty much nailed by geekoid · · Score: 1

    Except it's wrong.

    I don't sue twitter as a 'Me' I use iotas an general gathering of spikes in global events.
    I post to twitter becasue It's an interesting way to maintain societal niches.

    I also enjoy reading what certain people re up to. Except when the suddenly start posting a play be play tweet of the damn hockey gamer. Will Wheaten, I'm looking at you.

    Plus, if someone doesn't post anything interesting, I don't follow.

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  88. Swine flu possibly beneficial ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the swine flu kills off the douche bags who spend their lives Twittering, I'll consider the flu has done a fine job of cleaning up the gene pool.

    While we're at it, let's wipe out the losers who play World of
    Warcraft.

    I'm sick of human scum.

  89. The old technologies are much more reliable by Homburg · · Score: 1

    Yes, that e-mail I got telling me that swine flu must be genetically engineered because it combines DNA from pigs and humans; that was really well considered and fact-checked.

  90. Who Cares... by akayani · · Score: 1

    What exactly will Twitter manage that a lack of free public medicine in the US won't? There is a whole breeding ground for a virus of people who won't be able to afford to go to a doctor, won't have cash to buy medicines and have lived in medical ignorance for their whole lives.

    Pig flu is obviously going to go ape shit on the poor and the US will be responsible for an international pandemic.

    The homophobia of a President gave the world AIDS through inaction, now the lack of a public health system will give us the flu.

    And look where this came from... a country enslaved by American corporations looking for cheap labor and slack environmental policies.

    Like drrr Twitter is a real serious issue.