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Engineered Bacteria Glows To Reveal Land Mines
MikeChino writes "Sifting through minefields to remove hidden threats is a dangerous, tedious, and expensive process. Scientists at the University of Edinburgh recently announced that they have engineered a strain of bacteria that glows green in the presence of explosives, making mine detection a snap. The new strain of bacteria can be sprayed onto local affected areas or air-dropped over entire fields of mines. Within a few hours the bacteria strain begins to glow wherever traces of explosive chemicals are present."
I dunno, sounds like a sales pitch to me... you should have either written it in all caps Billy Mays style or said, "Made in Scotland... you know the Scottish make good stuff"
/.ed so here are some other sources: Discover, Treehugger, and DNA
Reguardless, the article has already been
Capitalism: When it uses the carrot, it's called democracy. When it uses the stick, it's called fascism.
Now they'll either lace the entire field with C4, or they'll start using remote detonators when people move in to disarm.
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So, I have to walk around in the dark in a minefield, looking for the glowing spots?
It would seem if you could get this strain to survive in the soil for some months you could spray road sides even ahead of the implanting of IEDs.
Sig Battery depleted. Reverting to safe mode.
Exploded mines and artillery shells leave unburnt residue.
So can I add this the list of possible humanity-ending catalysts and/or future Michael Crichton novel plotlines? I vote to call it "glow goo" or perhaps simply "bactoswarm".
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Why ? Can't we all of a sudden use little underaged childeren to 'detect' the darn things for us anymore ?
Yeah carpet bombing suspected mine fields with Snickers bars has got to be more cost effective.
Without RTFA, I have a few questions:
1)what does the bacteria actually consume to grow? The explosive residue or some other easy to acquire material?
2)how easy will this bacteria breed with other bacteria creating strange strains that could do who knows what?
3)how toxic is this bacteria to people, animals and plants?
4)how do you get ride of this bacteria once you have removed the mine without scorching everything?
I fully admit it is a great idea but there are enough concerns about introducing new bacteria or modified bacteria that makes me a bit hesitant to spray anywhere.
The bacteria is a strain of bubonic plague that's more deadly than the mines themselves...
Now we'll all have to be dunked in a vat of this stuff every time I go through TSA security. We get more like sheep every day.
Nullius in verba
I really like us to come up with better debugging techniques before we go further into these bio-engineering stuff.
Fuck systemd. Fuck Redhat. Fuck Soylent, too. Wait, scratch the last one.
starting in 3... 2.... 1....
"It's because they're stupid, that's why. That's why everybody does everything." -Homer Simpson
Anyone else get a slightly uneasy feeling at the idea of crop-dusting entire areas of land with living bacteria that glow?
What assurances do we have that the bacteria won't mutate, self-replicate, or turn against its master in the form of some horrendous new super-bug that makes the 20,000 land-mine casualties a year seem like a drop in a bucket?
Now they'll either lace the entire field with C4, or they'll start using remote detonators when people move in to disarm.
The largest problem with land mines is that there are so many in areas where there is no longer any kind of combat - kids or other civilians go in the fields and lose life and limb. This helps with that. We're talking WW2 era stuff here.
Modern warfare by insurgents is ALREADY past mines, since they don't have an endless amount of money to spend - they already place explosives and use remote detonators when troops come by.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Yet *another* source of light pollution.
Let me lay down this scrying dust to detect deadly traps...
This is magic, Dammit!
My antibiotic mines will cleverly hide themselves from such scrutiny.
How will the Visitors respond to it?
Am I the only one here who is aware of how bad of a problem land mines are to civilians in many third world countries? The response here seems generally negative, but if this technology helps to diffuse old land mine fields, it would be wonderful. Just because it was planted in WW2 doesn't guarantee that it's become inactive or that it won't kill you now.
Seems like this could massively reduce the military usefulness of minefields. Isn't a huge minefield sitting on the border between North and South Korea helping keep the peace there, by deterring North Korean military aggression? What if the North Koreans can spot all the mines?
--PM
Already identified in 2003.
http://ww2.jhu.edu/hurj/issue2/08B%20Vadera%20Land%20Mine.pdf
Will the bacteria grow in a desert?
Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't. Mark Twain.
I didn't knows bacteria could glows.
God damnit, wasn't detecting mines easy enough already? All this hoo-haa about glowing bacteria and metal detectors and cleanup efforts is a complete waste of time. Really guys, it's simple: The little numbers represent how many mines are in the surrounding eight squares.
Conscience is the inner voice which warns us that someone may be looking.
A nifty idea, but there are countermeasures a miner might take that are easy to implement.
a solution of solvent and typical mine explosive, either sprayed over the entire field of installed mines, sprayed over un-mined areas that you'd like to slow them down, or better yet, spray patches randomly over an installed mine field so that there are many false positives, indistinguishable from the tell of a real mine. Do all of these randomly so that a detection will require a thourough seach no matter what. Thats the whole point of a mine field anyway...
Edge a real mine field with 50 meters of false spots. Regions of false spots bordering regions of mines, randomly shaped and sized.
Encapsulate mines with impermeable skin... ziplok?
Saturate the ground with a persistent anti-microbial =)
Saturate only some of the field with anti-microbial =D
They don't turn green, they glow green. So you just have to go mine clearing in the dark.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
I hope that as the bacteria glows, it arranges itself into numbers indicating how many mines are nearby. It should making identifying the mined locations a simple matter of elimination.
Detecting mines is great, I'd be pretty damn worried about the ones that arn't detected however.
-The world would be a better place if everyone had a hoverboard
I was making something similar, but they glowed when orcs were nearby.
I will bend like a reed in the wind.
Why is this parent modded 'funny' ? In Eastern and African countries little kids *are* actually being used to detect mines: by blowing them up, and losing their arms, legs, or lives... I do not see what's so funny about that at all...
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We are not responsible if the bacterias enter your lungs and grow in horribles diseases that eat you from the inside and kills you in horrible and long suffering.
Why do I get the feeling, when slashdoters discuss military tactics and strategies, that we're inside some kind of "Enders Game" scenario, and some pentagon general, recently reassigned from SG-1, is high-fiving cmdr taco right now, over our great insights into warfare?
"Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
This terrible scourge of mimes is finally over!
Oh fudge, I misread the article.
I just coat my mines with Domestos
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
Why is this parent modded 'funny' ? In Eastern and African countries little kids *are* actually being used to detect mines: by blowing them up, and losing their arms, legs, or lives... I do not see what's so funny about that at all...
well since people in those places refuse to use birth control they gotta do something. yeah that's fucked up but it seems almost like it's their plan. i never understood the thought processes of someone who says "hey, i live in a third world shithole full of minefields and starvation and nonpotable water and roving bandits... i know, why don't i have a whole bunch of kids, i mean, isn't this a GREAT place to raise a real big family?" i just don't fucking understand that.
don't they love their kids enough to at least try to move to a better place before knocking anyone up? better to make a dangerous border crossing and not make it than to condemn a bunch of innocent children to poverty and starvation. do they think the stork brings babies so they can deny a connection between their decisions and the outcome of those decisions? it sucks but you can survive without having sex and it makes a lot of sense when you can't or won't use birth control and can barely scrape by without extra mouths to feed. what possesses these people to keep reproducing like rabbits? do we really need those "sponsor a child" commercials that badly?
yeah you might not like the way i phrased some of that, but it's a hard reality. i'd soften it up for you if i thought it would change the living conditions in some of the worst places on earth but it won't, so go on and get offended if that's the best response you got. maybe someone with more guts can tell me why people do things like this and what they hope to accomplish and why they don't think about these things. you know fat americans can afford the luxury of carelessness and of living their lives with very little forethought because it's different when the Top40 chart or a sports team or a bank account is your biggest concern. you'd think people living in 3rd world countries on the edge of subsistence would be forced by necessity to use better planning. so what gives?
Just FYI to all the people in this thread misusing the term. Fluorescence require an external source of radiation to glow, but only during that exposure. Think UV light and neon paint.
"Be prepared, son. That's my motto. Be prepared." --Joe Hallenbeck
A friend worked overseas in ordnance disposal. It is, by most accounts, one of the most dangerous job out there. He left, but I'll be quite content if I know more soldiers and peacekeepers in the future will be kept safer.
Even if this thing had a 100% success rate, I'd still be cautious about clearing the minefield. But this can at least help where you know with some certainty there are mines in the area, and you will have some certainty there is a mine in that location or within the vicinity.
This does not make the job safe. Maybe safer. If this works, it might be able to save a few lives and/or most certainly limbs. It doesn't remove the danger of removing the mines from the ground. AFAIK, the mines also have some countermeasures when being removed that they still detonate.
This might also be handy in places like Palestine where there remains a lot of cluster munitions that have not exploded. Heck, I would think some parts of Europe from WWI and WWII still have buried mines.
Because the post was funny. The reality may not be, but if you can't tell the difference then that is a problem you must solve on your own.
Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
They must have been testing this around my place, my back yard is glowing blue.
Curiosity was framed; ignorance killed the cat. -- Author unknown
... Scientists have engineered a bacteria able to glow when a land mine is detected. There's a lot of buzz at the facility about this breakthrough. Trucks have been seen bringing lots of stereo equipment, strobe lights, exstacy, and international techno dj, Tiesto. In other news, still no solution for aids, the recession, or galactic travel.
A friend of mine was in africa a while back and had noticed something peculure when he visited many years ago, the women always walked behind the men, now many years lator, the men walk behind of the women. When he asked one of the viligers if there was a feminist movement and if women were more more prominent, the viliger said No Land Mines!
Knowledge = Power
P= W/t
t=Money
Money = Work/Knowledge so the less you know the more you make
i never understood the thought processes
They don't particularly wanna have babies, they just wanna fuck. And no, birth-control is *not* as common-place in those countries as it is in the 'western world'. Yeah you might not like the way i phrased some of that, but it's a hard reality: people *need* to FUCK.
Is this the glowing green goo that created the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?
Who would win this election: Andrew Weiner vs Andrew Weiner's weiner.
The reality may not be, but if you can't tell the difference then that is a problem you must solve on your own.
Point taken.
In response to the overwhelmingly negative comments, two points.
First: This is most likely meant to clean up minefields surrounding civvy areas created in previous conflicts, as many others here with functional brains have noted.
Second: No, it will not be perfect. Nothing ever is. However, as the saying goes "perfect is the enemy of good." If you persist in saying this is pointless because it won't detect every mine, compile a list of all the things that would not be done if they weren't perfect. It's a short (read: nonexistent) list, I promise you.
Remember, it's not a crime to use your head.
And after the bacteria go rogue and mutate into a deadly strain, we can simply spray explosives residue all through the streets to see who & what has been infected.
I hope this cheap and easy way to display where land mines are hidden is enough to stop people from using landmines altogether.
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make install -not war
i never understood the thought processes
They don't particularly wanna have babies, they just wanna fuck. And no, birth-control is *not* as common-place in those countries as it is in the 'western world'. Yeah you might not like the way i phrased some of that, but it's a hard reality: people *need* to FUCK.
that's cute the way you imitate my phrasing but no, they really don't. especially not at the expense of innocent lives. people can be addicted to nearly anything, including sex, but you don't fix an addiction by continuing to use whatever you're hooked on. meanwhile people take vows of celibacy because their religion told them to. why can't they do something similar and temporarily be celebate to avoid being responsible for all of that misery and suffering? do you have any more excuses that you'd like to make for them?
The appropriate link. To the real page. With a picture.
Thanks.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Now all that's needed is dispensers that enable it to be administered surreptitiously in crowded areas, although seeing someone standing next to you turning green might cause other problems.
A benign bacteria like this, sprayed over a crowd, might reveal suicide bombers if it reacts quickly enough.
"The mind works quicker than you think!"
so the next time one of your terrorist buddies gets married - instead of cans tied behind the hum-drum-v tie a couple blocks of C4 and let them drive away. next time this "glowgoo" is dropshipped you'll have a nice glown path back to your friends place.
I don't think this stuff is a good idea.
"i lost my dignity on a slippery wiener"
Well noted - it's a lot of the old mines that people have forgotten about that continue to cause problems. I've visited Cambodia and there are a lot there because of the Khmer Rouger period there, and in Laos and Vietnam there are a lot due to the "Vietnam War" as we think of it in the West from over 40 years ago. Lots of other conflicts in Africa and other places as well. Not so bad if you're in a rich country or you've got resources that people want access to (e.g. oil) but a lot of places have just been forgotten about and there are precious few resources to clear up the ordnance.
Apart from nobody keeping maps of where they put the mines / cluster munitions down (if they could even be bothered to do so in the first place) there's a real problem with UXO shifting in loose ground. My friend in Cambodia tells me they'll clear a road in the jungle one season, but then after the rains the loose soil has turned to mud and moved down hillsides so a path / field / road might be dangerous again and has to be treated as a live minefield all over again.
UXO just keeps on killing people for years after the conflict has finished, land mines and cluster bombs and the like are really evil.
Now antiseptics will get on a list of controlled substances used to hide location of mines.
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But why are they calling the new strain "Andromeda"?
You are still a virgin. Admit it.
If you weren't you know one of two things:
Male: always looking forward to the next fuck.
Female: always looking forward to the next fuck.
Humans (and chips if I remember right) are one of the few species that have sex just for the enjoyment of it.
I assume they probably engineered the bacteria so it doesn't survive indefinitely, but it would be interesting if it mutated and began spreading and eventually spread to every corner of the world, so any place that had explosives would glow!
So, how will this work in a desert area like Afghanistan or Iraq?
Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
That's not the point. It's about life expectancy. You have 10 kids with the understanding that several of them may not survive infancy/adolescence. It's the same thing, historically, that has gone on around the world, especially in more rural areas where infant mortality is higher.
So, basically, aside from the lack of contraceptive science available to them, there's a reason to have multiple children: an insurance policy against the others. If you lose two, you still have 3 more. And more survivors == survival of your family/tribe/caste/group. What the quality of life for that survival is can be argued, but there's a pretty basic imperative for it.
As recently as two generations ago, you can find people who had 6 pregnancies but only 3 children surviving past infancy, and they aren't all broken up about it. It was a sad fact of life, but that's what it was. It's only recently that infant mortality has been reduced as much, and with it has come a societal directive to protect children at all costs. Loving and caring for your children above all others is a luxury, and as we've seen can also trend towards the "think of the children" mentality that we've seen growing over the past few decades.
I thought the other species was Dolphins. dolphinse.cx! :D
You are still a virgin. Admit it.
If you weren't you know one of two things:
Male: always looking forward to the next fuck.
Female: always looking forward to the next fuck.
Humans (and chips if I remember right) are one of the few species that have sex just for the enjoyment of it.
enjoyment is great, until it comes at the expense of an innocent. at that point the person who cares so much for the enjoyment is just a selfish asshole who doesn't care about the damage he or she is doing. why must I be a virgin to recognize that? because you are routinely led around by your dick and must assume this is the way everyone else has to be? your dick is a wonderful servant and a terrible master, if you let it do all your decision making for you it will cause no end of problems. so this is just more excuse making. the instincts you mention are designed for caveman days during a time when you were lucky to reach your 30th birthday. it doesn't take a great deal of intellect to recognize that or to recognize that you don't have to be a slave to libido.
you wonder why most women are so kinniving and manipulative and capricious. it's because most men are slaves to sex sort of like junkies are slaves to heroin. it makes them weak and malleable and easy to manipulate. there's many reasons other than living in a third world shithole to learn how to control yourself.
"long story short, we where working on editing/fixing some of his shitty security guides and the shitty bad info he gave and he started spaming my email again telling me I had to delete his posts and such or he was gonna sue me(rofl?)
this guys a TOOL, if you run across him, my advice, just walk away, Or if ur really board, try using logic to fight his "logic" and watch him say the same thing over and over(you can see it on ashentech about x64 vs x86)
Oh and he still posts as AC on /. he admited to me more then once this is because hes been banned there a few times so its easier to just spam his bullshit there using AC and proxy's when he runs out of posts per day."
Nice to see you again, asshole. There's a whole lot more where that came from if you'd care to start one of your patented batshit insane APK threads.
Maybe we should invent chemicals that make warmongers glow in the dark. Ok we have but we're using them up in nuclear reactors dammit!
Yes it's recursive BOMB ME BABY!
I'd go on a Vegan diet but the delivery time from Vega is too long. --brownkitty
why can't they do something similar and temporarily be celebate to avoid being responsible for all of that misery and suffering?
The social/cultural issues are for more complex then that. A vast majority of women in these countries can't because they don't have the rights to. The stats on rape in some countries are hideous, and many women are stuck in relationships where they can't tell their partner to use birth control and they can't get out of these relationships for any number of religious/socio-economic/cultural reasons. The guys in many of these countries still have this idiotic notion that using a condom isn't manly and therefore won't, hence why HIV/AIDs rates are also awful in many of these countries. Irresponsible sex is gonna happen 'cause of social/religious/cultural reasons so long as the men in these cultures believe that sex makes them a man and women find that one of the most reliable forms of security/employment is prostitution or being someone's girl.
But wait, it gets worse. Assuming you can change cultural ideas of sex and gender, birth control isn't the easiest thing to get because of foreign aid policies concerning family planning. In countries where people can barely eat, reliable birth control is often considered an unnecessary expense by many, so the options boil down to condom giveaways and (often illegal) abortions. Currently organizations that provide abortions can get aid, but this stance changes every administration (Bush banned aid to these organizations.) A good number of the organizations that provide abortions are also the ones that provide family planning support and information, like condoms. Then there are the organizations that are limited in what they can provide because the regions are too dangerous to work in or there are religious/cultural barriers to birth control.
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This would be amazing for people living in mine riddled countries.
This made me wonder what countries have produced the most land mines. I didn't find my
answer but did stumble upon this paper with an amazing estimate:
The International Campaign to Ban Landmines production and use estimates that there are more than 80 billion landmines in the ground in more than 80 countries.
False positives from chemical fertilizers? Even if not directly applied on minefields, there is leaching and wind borne to adjacent areas, etc. Might trigger the bacteria.
I imagine that very few people, even in third world shitholes, use landmines as a form of birth control. After all, if you want to get rid of a kid and don't care about its well-being, why are you going to waste the resources to rear it to the point where it can walk out into a minefield and possibly sustain only non-lethal injuries that require even more resources to treat? And if you're already in the position of thinking landmines are good birth control, is the browbeating of some comparatively well-to-do foreigners going to dissuade you?
This "A/C" here replying (funny how he picks on A/C posters, when he posts that way himself) is either:
1.) Ash @ ashentech (who is nothing more than a 2nd rate tech wannabe @ best - & a regular thief of films and other media, because he is into bit-torrent and what-not as well as illegal duplication of films who cannot stand that he is where he is in this life, doing nothing, because he is 2nd rate & uneducated)
OR
2.) Jay Little, the "self-proclaimed Exchange Expert" who, lol, had claimed that at the Windows IT Pro forums in a debate there regarding memory optimization programs with Dr. Mark Russinovich.
"Oh and he still posts as AC on /. he admited to me more then once this is because hes been banned there a few times so its easier to just spam his bullshit there using AC and proxy's when he runs out of posts per day." - by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17, @07:03PM (#30137488)
What? I don't have a "registered account" here, because of dorks like you that do what you have just said to here: And, you evidence it for me, in the same stroke no less (lol, talk about dumb) - aren't YOU posting as "A/C" in some puny attempt to bug me? Yes, you are. How stupid can you be?
I don't need proxies to beat the posts limit on A/C's here by the by... ask the board admins/mods on that much (lol, I have other means that are FAR better). Nothing can stop me, or hold me down, & I don't use "conventional means" to get my way around things either... but then, I actually have skills, 16++ yrs. of professional hands-on experience coding & network adminning + engineering (where you do not) & dual degrees in this field, and I have been multiply internationally published in this field 10x since 1996 (again, where YOU, have not).
Proof? Ok:
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WINDOWS NT-Magazine (forerunner of today's .NET magazine) 1997 (iirc, Oct. issue pg. 83) issue review by Mr. John Enck, a technical editor of theirs for SuperCache & SuperDisk by EEC Systems (now SuperSpeed.com - first part was writing up an article featured on their corp. website alongside Mr. Enck no less, about the technical effective uses of Ramdisks, & the latter was on PAID CONTRACT to improve the mathematics & algorithm for tuning their SuperCache product w/ a programmatic addon they shipped w/ their product, & now is incorporated into the main program itself (Mr. Eric Dickman is their CEO iirc, & offered me a job w/ them back in 2003, but life took me to NYC instead of BOSTON) - they ARE A CERTIFIED Microsoft Partner you know, by the by)
* This also landed myself a spot for SuperDisk/SuperVolume being a finalist in the Tech-Ed 2001 AND 2002 show, in its hardest category: Boosting SQLServer Performance, the toughest category there is.
The work done for wares that took ideas on ramdisks to a finalist with EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com in the HARDEST category there was, SQLServer performance enhancement, as well as doing work to boost their SuperCache II product to up to 40% better than its stock performance on a paid contract in commercial wares & was reviewed VERY favorably in 1997 Oct. issue for SuperCache and SuperDisk by Mr. John Enck, a fellow technical editor to Mark Russinovich of Microsoft and writer for the same magazine that features M.R. in it, Windows NT/2000/.NET/IT Pro magazine.
WINDOWS MAGAZINE, 1997, "Top Freeware & Shareware of the Year" issue page 210, #1/first entry in fact.
PC-WELT FEB 1998 - page 84
PC-WELT FEB 1999 - page 83
CHIP Magazine 7/99 - page 100
WINDOWS MAGAZINE, WINTER 1998 - page 92, insert section, MUST HAVE WARES
GERMAN PC BOOK, Data Becker publisher "PC Aufrusten und Repairen"
HOT SHAREWARE Numero 46 issue, pg. 54 (PC ware mag from Spain)
& others from the UK, + appearances in newspapers & more (like forums online, from 1996 - 2002 & beyond)
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So, that is your "game"? LOL, I knew it... but, you only ended up making ME look good (because I can always bring that list out, everytime - keep trolling me, & this is what you get, as those 2 had in the past, much to their own chargrin/dismay, lol).
See how you are? Man... I know that you cannot help it if you have mental issues (some folks can handle things, others cannot & that's that (a matter of what I call "mental/intestinal fortitude" is all), so I don't hold you to that, so you know.
APK
P.S.=> By the way, I think we "started out on the wrong foot", in the thread about Windows' errors (I did stay on topic though, despite you saying I was "off topic" (your 'joking' is more offtopic than my reply was though) & what I noted?
EASILY & COMPLETELY verifiable, even with simple tests I noted!
Well it's easy, IF YOU CAN CODE, that is (on HOSTS) & from ROOTKIT.COM on the NDIS6/WFP based firewalls in VISTA/Windows Server 2008/Windows7? It's easily verifiable too, by reading their article... IF you're into PC Security, following where the hacker/cracker types operate, along with security researchers, is a GREAT way to go about it ("going to the horses mouth" basically), & because you had trouble reading it, doesn't mean others have, ala the same material that was "modded up" here no less before -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1339085&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=29106629 )
So anyhow/anyways... This was just some "payback" to you (actually possibly to Jay Little &/or Ashen for doing this type of thing before, I couldn't discount the possibility it might have been they, as they have done this before here to myself & ran, like usual (especially when I ask if they have done the same amount of accomplishments in this field as I have... neither has, & it always leaves them 'stumbling for words')
Still, for your deceits now (it's excused, don't sweat it, lol... "good play")? I had to do, had "no outs"... & I really do NOT like doing it, I only find it works.
I've done a couple nice things over time, I am glad of it, but... sometimes? I don't think it was "me alone", & this sums it up for me:
"But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me." - Corinthians Chapter 10, Verse 10
I'm "OK" @ Comp. Sci. imo/estimation, especially by way of comparison to say, the likes of Mr. John Carmack (great) & Mr. Anders Heijelsberg (borland & microsoft): I can "get the job done" is my estimation of myself, but compared to guys like the 2 I mention now? I am a DUSTMOTE... lol!
Anyways/anyhow: NOW - per my last reply?
Well, I don't know who the freak is who is haranging you now though, sorry, but I wouldn't doubt it's one of these two (or, others like them that have trolled me here before, part of the "WHY" of why I post as AC here in fact, is that I am NOT "easily tracked" as you are, as a registered user here (a 'downside' of being a registered user is, as you can see because I can find you easily, is track-ability, easy track-ability of yourself... "drink that in, & digest it")
I have had guys like Jay Little do that here &, just to "stir up the sauce" around here(& start things up for me, with others here, by continued messing about with you) - pretty transparent, but as you can see? Facts are on MY side, vs. their b.s.!
I replied now though, assuming it was the 2 I mentioned in my last reply, for your use of "A/C" & trying to 'bait me' (but, as you can see? I have things "all lined up/all ducks in a row" vs. such attacks, everytime, due to working hard & accomplishing "a few nice things of note" in this art & science over time).
LOL, it's good to see th
Per my subject-line above:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1447322&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=30141184#30141358
AND, I am trying to be "nice" here... can you be, in return?
(Please - don't mistake this as "weakness", it's more being (lol, the verification phrase for me now in the 'captcha' is "SENSIBLE" to "prove who I am" to post this, & I think it fits the bill as to what I am trying to be)
APK
P.S.=> We can either be a couple of dorks "duking it out", for no REAL good reason, or, we can be nice & amicably end this... I leave this up to you! I have to go now, to finish off a JAVA project, so... do as you feel I suppose, but DO read that url above, end-to-end... & decide! Thanks for your time... apk
LMAO, not a "bad play", posting as A/C to bait me
Yeah, I thought it would be funny if you saw how silly it is.. and at least I admitted it was me, I don't like to lie about stuff really.
So, that is your "game"? LOL, I knew it... but, you only ended up making ME look good (because I can always bring that list out, everytime - keep trolling me, & this is what you get, as those 2 had in the past, much to their own chargrin/dismay, lol).
So, that is your "game"? LOL, I knew it... but, you only ended up making ME look good (because I can always bring that list out, everytime - keep trolling me, & this is what you get, as those 2 had in the past, much to their own chargrin/dismay, lol).
lol.. I don't care what it makes you or me look like, it was funny. You bring out any list you want. Last time you linked to one of my posts, the mods modded me "insightful".. I'm not sure if I would be a great troll, but like I said if you insist on harassing me I don't see why I shouldn't give as good as I'm getting.
See how you are? Man... I know that you cannot help it if you have mental issues (some folks can handle things, others cannot & that's that (a matter of what I call "mental/intestinal fortitude" is all), so I don't hold you to that, so you know.
lol *shrug* I am no longer depressed, but yes I know that people can't help it if they have mental problems, which is why I was trying to be nice to you. You are not particularly dumb, but you do just take everything as a personal attack on yourself even when none is intended. Remember this quote "never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by stupidity". lol..
Yes we did start out on a bad foot. I know now that you just get frustrated at people easily - as do I sometimes, and if I'd known it was you I wouldn't have probably just not said anything. The problem I had was not that you were talking about Window security, I was just frustrated that you need to post such a large post, and you did it in reply to some joke I was making about Windows vulnerabilities lol. I seriously think it would be better to write all your HOWTO and security stuff in a blog, and then just link to that instead of having to copy and paste all the time? I didn't have trouble reading it, I just really don't like when people use so much bold and capitals - it makes me think of all the "GNAA" crap that is posted here on slashdot.
I actually use Linux at both work and home which is why I don't worry too much about Windows security at the moment ;) Though it is part of my job to support people who use Windows, so it is still slightly relevant. I agree that Spybot is great software, and it's good to put known bad sites in your hosts file so that you can't visit them.
I've done a couple nice things over time, I am glad of it, but... sometimes
Yeah, I've seen you can be nice. as long as people agree with you. I think you need to work on how to disagree with people without getting mad lol. I know I was getting angry too so whatever, I have been trying to be reasonable at times too :P
Yeah I used to believe in God and the bible, but I stopped last year. Since then I have been trying to better myself without any help from any gods ;)
I'm "OK" @ Comp. Sci. imo/estimation, especially by way of comparison to say, the likes of Mr. John Carmack (great) & Mr. Anders Heijelsberg (borland & microsoft): I can "get the job done" is my estimation of myself, but compared to guys like the 2 I mention now? I am a DUSTMOTE... lol!
I feel the same about my own skills lol. I am happy with my current job as IT Manager/programmer for a small business, it's friendly and relaxed, and pays okay. The most important thing is to enjoy your job :)
The only reason I searched around for APK stuff was because you called me easil
which is totally what she said
Yes and agent orange started out as a cheap defoliant too. Just give me the duct taped lasers on porpoises nailed to airplanes.
Aye, I've noticed you're being nice now that I actually *did* have a real go at trolling you ;)
I don't see being nice as weakness. I think it takes much more strength to drop our guard and be nice to each other than it does to keep arguing, and it shows good maturity.
I have to go do some perl and learn about jQuery to snazz up some of the web apps I'm doing for work heh :) Have a good day dude, I'm glad you finally realised we don't have to argue. I really hope you think about my idea for you getting a blog where you can post all your security tips and stuff? I know there are a lot of people out there who still enjoy trolling you, but fuck them - if you really are trying to help people and are able to be "nice" then that's enough for me to respect you, and if you keep being nice then they will hopefully give you some respect again too and let you do your thing in peace :)
which is totally what she said
"The problem I had was not that you were talking about Window security," - by somersault (912633) on Wednesday November 18, @05:52AM (#30141630) Homepage
Ah, but, I am though man... DO take a SOLID read of what I wrote there (especially about ROOTKIT.COM, that has me worried some, because they publish code to unhook the Windows VISTA &/or Server 2008 + Windows 7 firewall... with ease they say, which is why I post it to MS folks here, and elsewhere online).
See again here: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1438984&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=30078554
The HOSTS issue also deals in security too (hosts are a GREAT security asset & I evidenced that via Spybot "search & destroy" PLUS the words of a noted security expert & columnist for SECURITYFOCUS.COM in Mr. Oliver Day's article "RESURRECTING THE KILLFILE" there too).
Please, read it once more, even though you had trouble reading it ->
It does raise some points that the folks @ MS are avoiding me on.
You may find it "interesting'.
Too bad you have alienated God though... I mean, hey: We live in this 'place', this immense unending 'construct' we call "the universe/cosmos" etc. et al, & SOMETHING had to have made it man (imo @ least? That qualifies said being as "GOD")...
It's amazing... Especially w/ all of its "rules" of which we are STILL IN THE DARK OVER on much of it (e.g. gravity, the nature of the center of OUR galazy & star cluster being "dark matter", or a GIANT "singularity/black hole"... & imo @ least?
We're living in GREAT TIMES, if we don't do some DUMB THING like have a war & blow it all away, or experience some terrible plague (especially one of our OWN creation)... ion drive is here, & that means star travel isn't THAT FAR OFF! Great times, & these are the times, imo @ least, to be worth living for!). I asked my grandmother, before her passing "grandma have you seen a lot change for the better in your time?" (She was 96 yrs. old & died a week later) & she said "I saw man go from horses & buggiest to walking on the moon in my life, so yes, I have"... we're going to see more & what helps contribute to that?
This, places LIKE this, & the internet in general (8th wonder of the world imo, "changing the way folks think... & communicate" per Steve Jobs no less)
Ah... going off on tangents, & there is work to do. So, "adios amigo".
APK
P.S.=> On your other points? Fair enough, that was all I wanted... now, to find out WHO the a-hole is who is stirring this up (this happens to me here, and elsewhere, QUITE A LOT - the problem with "making enemies" is this... but, imo @ least? You CANNOT LIVE LIKE A MAN, & NOT MAKE SOME ENEMIES @ TIMES (& one has every right to defend one's self, especially in righteous indignation (I couldn't live with myself if I didn't, & you seem the same ("A man after my own heart" in other words, & for that? For that @ least I respect you))...
Gotta go now, for real, only 1 more method to finish to make a deadline... so, nice making "good" with you, outta the "bad"... I can tell already, it IS going to be a "GREAT DAY" because of this & my project doing good too! A great way to start my day (lol, @ 4 a.m. here as I did)... apk
lol.. I suppose that me not liking the aesthetics of your writing could be the same as "having trouble reading it". I will give it another scan. We don't have many Vista/Windows 7 machines here yet though, it's mostly XP and we've been trouble free for several years I'm happy to say.
Too bad you have alienated God though... I mean, hey: We live in this 'place', this immense unending 'construct' we call "the universe/cosmos" etc. et al, & SOMETHING had to have made it man (imo @ least? That qualifies said being as "GOD")...
It's amazing... Especially w/ all of its "rules" of which we are STILL IN THE DARK OVER on much of it (e.g. gravity, the nature of the center of OUR galazy & star cluster being "dark matter", or a GIANT "singularity/black hole"... & imo @ least?
Yeah we can agree that the Universe is really amazing.. and *something* marvelous must have happened for us to exist here.. but I'm not so sure that god can explain everything - because if god created us, then who created God? Some other God? It is like an infinite loop lol.
Yeah we have our similarities, we both get very defensive. I still think a lot of those AC posts were you, but I can forgive that since we are choosing to be on better terms.
which is totally what she said
I'm not posting as others man... I don't HAVE to do that. I mean, lol, AC gives me the "rorschach advantage" (ala "The Watchmen") in that, unlike "almighty & haughty registered users" here, I am NOT easily tracked (HERE, on /., I stressed that in our other 'debate' in fact, later, so you understood what i meant - sometimes, I'm in a hurry & despite my verbosity & quoting others so I do NOT miss their points? Like anyone - I have days where I do NOT "express myself" as well as I should (plus, there seems to be an "aversion to detail" on forums, & details? MATTER! Especially for understanding, imo @ least).
It wouldn't matter if I posted under a registered account (other than being trackable, which is the WHY of which I choose that route) & I think you know I am like yourself: I don't 'back down' from a fight, unless it gets stupid. This is starting to get "stupid", don't you think? Anyhow...
Besides, I have a few facts on my side, and, I just use facts & they work, everytime.
Usually leaving the opponent not being able to show the same, & in the same amounts, & for the same levels of accomplishment (which I do NOT think you can match in full @ least).
HOWEVER - Hey: It was NICE to see that you allegedly have done SOME of the same!
(Though I'd like proof, I am a "show me" kind of guy is why)
So, allegedly/apparently, reiterating this so there is no doubt:
Well, you HAVE done at least SOMETHING of SOME note to your credit! Good job.
(What was it specifically, with article title, or ware you wrote, page # + date of publication and publication name). Just curious!
See - you're a FIRST you know in my experience here, which makes you somewhat "memorable" @ this point (no other detractor of mine has EVER been able to do so, hence, you're a first... but, again, I would like some substantiating proof of your name appearing in publication also though, as a "stipulation" thereof). Facts USUALLY work to 'silence trolls' & my "naysayers"... well, 9/10 times @ least.
So - Just like novocaine, give it time, it always works. Facts & evidenceable ones, are like that (especially vs. trolls).
Fact is, if you read my (really MINE, not whoever this dork is "stirring up the sauce" with you now) replies here now -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1447322&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=30141184#30141358 ?
You'd realize I am trying to NICELY end this... I hope you can do the same.
APK
P.S.=> As to "winning & losing" well... nobody "wins" a fight. If you've ever been in a REAL one (& I have, in 100's of them, because I come from the 3rd most violent crime ridden city in the United States, unfortunately)?
Well - If you don't "knock the guy right out off the bat/reboot his computer"??
You're GOING to get some beating yourself, too...
Yes... it's sad, but it IS how it is @ times, & "when in ROME? I do as the Romans do, & speak in terms they understand" or rather, the ONLY ONES THEY ARE WILLING TO UNDERSTAND, often using reverse psychology (giving you my "debate playbook" for what it's worth really) & sometimes? That does mean "duking it out" & I'd rather avoid that, in real life, & yes, on forums too... the sensible man does this, ala Bruce Lee's philosophies in fact (fight to avoid more fights, or avoid a fight, ENTIRELY).
I'd rather this NOT be that, fighting, + I try to use reason to stop it... & I have tried to "make nice" about this with you (so, it's in YOUR ballcourt now, is all I can say... I have things to do, a JAVA project that's due for deadline in 4 hours (lol, 1 more method to go & that's "ALL SHE WROTE" literally) so I have to leave you now on this note, a good one... I hope you take "the high road" & do the right thing is all)... see ya! apk
Its not an addiction you arsehole - its a biological imperative to fuck each other!
If you lived in a situation where you were dirt poor (not can't afford rent poor - but can't afford the 3p can of beans poor), had absolutely no entertainment beyond watching the occasional soldier get eaten by lions, and generally lived a life of suffering day after day, continuing to struggle only because you don't let the alternative to survival cross your mind; then maybe you would understand the need to find comfort and joy where you can.
IF it was just a matter of waiting till the shop opens so you can buy more condoms, you would have a point. But if you didn't know when the next truckload of the things was even going to make it the closest town, let alone disseminated down to your village, then you wouldn't be holding your breath or your balls mate and you're disgustingly naive if you think you could or would.
If we could swap muppets like you for these starving people, and fill the destitute countries with morons that think 'trying harder' is all that is required, we would be able to solve more than one set of problems in one go.
http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2009101929031/National-news/in-brief-land-mine-deaths-continue-slow-fall.html
Too be slightly less depressing I should point out that I saw people sharing a pair of shoes, yay!
It's cool man, & we both said a lot of stuff that shouldn't have been said is all. I get a LOT of slack on my writing style, especially here, but I am a FIRM BELIEVER in extolling details (that's where the "devils are", as we BOTH know, as coders) & believe it or not, I have had folks literally pursue me for YEARS online (arstechnica people, until the law & police got involved (they threatened my family, my home, & even put out the "APK MUST DIE" b.s. I told you of regarding Jay Little (which got he kicked off his hosting provider for that & email harassment + more of the like)). They never stop. Makes me feel, lol, like Dr. Robert Neville in "I AM LEGEND" @ the end. Especially here, but what is astounding, is this: This is NOT the English grammar section here (there just isn't one). When I need to correspond formally? Trust me, I can & do, but only when necessary & this is, after all, just a forums (a TECH forums, mind you, not English). You were just ribbing on me though, & I didn't catch it is all (no tone, could not sense it, felt you were another "sidewalk English prof" online, minus a PHD in that art, which IS my usual 'std. retort' vs. the English trolls).
Well, they DO, but it takes that kind of thing & I learned a LONG TIME AGO, when that happens? REPORT IT. Immediately. Especially when threats are made (had to do it with a neighbor of mine recently, a former JUDGE no less, who falsely accused me on the phone (& I had NO IDEA who he was no less) of cutting branches on his trees, twigs no less (not even firewood for Pete's sake) - I called the police, & they removed he from my property once he was phoned by they to show up in regards to this (he was way, Way, WAY off & the officer agreed, he libelled me in front of her + threatened to sue me (breaking the law right there too) & he had no "habeas corpus" either))
People? They never fail to amaze me, but, I try NOT to underestimate them too. Sure, I "shoot a bit from the hip" @ times, but that's just me (bit TOO as you called it "aggressive" & that is because I am a product of a pretty violent environment where I am from (3rd most violent crime city in US last I knew of in fact)).
Anyways / Anyhow... this "carries over" into my writing too, normal correspondence writing - details & quoted bloat (of whom I am responding to, & whom I quote as evidence etc. et al as well).
What bugs me, however, & this:
What "set me off" when you were joking was the "English grammar critique" is all... it does get frustrating. As you saw, some folks rated my writing of the exact same thing here up (more than just that one time I showed you & if you'd like more, I have them bookmarked & will supply them (big on that here as you can tell by now, lol, part of the "devils in the details" are substantiating proofs &/or testimonials imo @ least, to back one's own points of course).
(Again though, bear w/ this much from me: I honestly truly really didn't realize that much really, that you were "busting my nuts" was all, because when I replied to you, there was no ratings @ that point on your post either iirc)...
What also bugs me, is that lately?
Well - I've been online since 1994 (& many years before that in the 1980's via Academia), & lately?
It just seems that there is a HUGE ABUNDANCE of "english grammar & spelling critics" around here & other forums... which IS fine, if you're in English class, or writing a term paper or even legal correspondence... but, this is just a forums...
Not any of those there above1
Yup, based on my experience in this life (45 yrs. of age now), there really seems to be a HUGE 'trend' towards 'brevity' & doing "who/what/when/where/why" in BUSINESS correspondence & no more.
Which is fine, because GENERALLY (former mgt. guy & led a chain of 215 large stores in loss prevention before going back to computers) that's ok, because most mgt. operates @ a "10,000 foot level view", NOT the "s
One up the bum, no harm done.
That's cool man. I was hoping we could sort it out :) I'd much rather get along than argue with people, but at the same time I don't take insults lying down ;)
I'm sorry that I offended you too with my comment on your security post - I was just trying to help explain why maybe guys like Foredecker decide not to respond to your long posts, though I admit I could have been a bit nicer about it. I think there is also the possibility that Foredecker is from a completely different branch of MS than the security/networking group (maybe he works on Office, the Zune, X-Box, whatever..), so maybe he doesn't have any control or knowledge over that stuff.
Well, cya around!
which is totally what she said
No rage here, sorry to disappoint you, never was any (I enjoy a good scrap, to a point, as much as the next guy does (amazing us human beings, we tend to dislike violence of any kind I think, especially directed our way directly, but we still like watching a good fight... & then, there's folks like you that LIKE "stirring up the sauce" so more results... no mere "nerd" here either: I am a former NCAA starter for a national champ in the sport of Lacrosse, Division II in fact, & the best area in the nation for that sport? I live in it, & at ALL levels (highschool thru collegiate in fact)).
Anyways: No, I just have documented proofs of it is all, per Window IT Pro Magazine & my involvement with the company involved on PAID contract (first was just voluntary because I liked their wares/products, on increasing the effectiveness of their diskcache program, I later sold they the code in a contract for it, which is now DIRECTLY incorporated into SuperDisk/SuperVolume II)...
HOWEVER, the ideas for ramdisk usage?
My ideas there (DB device placement, such as indexes, huge "space wasters" but immense speedups result, as one example if NOT entire tables & device as well)?
It DID take they to a finalist placement, 2 yrs. in a row no less, @ MS Tech Ed, & I was featured on their website for YEARS stating that it would be a "creative uses of ramdrives" ala this -> http://www.darklab.net/resources/article1-2.shtml from years ago, where I still have evidence of it taking place as I stated it).
I did the same later for CENATEK & was their FRONT PAGE review of their SSD, as "An independent users review of the CENATEK RocketDrive" & you can write they also... funny part was, they KNEW who I was when I corresponded with they, as I used to do a DDK produced software ramdisk too, & they thought I was a "competitor" to THEIR Software ramdisk... lol!
(They also are producers of a TRUE SSD (or were, they may have been bought up by now, I know they had offers to that effect) as I call them (use PC-133 or DDR variants of RAM, for example... vs. FLASH & its slower writes (yes, caching can offset this SOME, but not the longevity factor (been using SSD's of this nature since late 2001 in fact & they ROCK)).
In fact, if you like? Well, you can call Mr. Eric Dickman of SuperSpeed.com in regards to that. He can substantiate ALL that I said, easily, & he is a good guy (I *almost* ended up working for them, but life... took me other places (CableVision of NYC))
So - Was I "the first"?
Possibly not. I was using them THAT way for a decade++ before 1995/1996 when I discovered the SSD, vs. Ramdisk software approach...
(& myriads of other uses too: Ones such as webpage caching, %temp% ops, logging, pagefile.sys placment (all my ideas I wrote of in fact for both EEC & CENATEK years ago, that do work & are being used (inclusive of MS shifting their DB devices from disk to RAM via a buffer/array/structure./object in memroy etc. et al (all damned arrays basically) in SQLServer 7 onwards iirc... if THAT says anything to you, right after Ms-TechEd 2001-2002, when my ideas debuted there & did well!))
See, per my subject-line above?
WELL - it's like that "OUTER LIMITS" episode, "THE FINAL EXAM" (one of my favs, DO see it, especially IF you're "into" Sci-Fi):
The main character, Seth, says a REALLY TRULY POTENT thing in it:
"See, when a science is ready? It can't HELP but have many people come up with the same ideas/conclusions/breakthrus @ the same time..."
(OR, something VERY along those lines - as hopefully "fellow geeks", all I can say is that, I am just able to document it is all... I used virtual disks/ramdisks for YEARS before that on DOS, for %temp% ops caching & speedups etc. et al & before that on variants of *NIX (when I had admin rights, not always, in academia))
That's all.
APK
P.S.=> On the "on
Right... ok, I am just going to IGNORE you, after I make this statement (because I have things to do that are helping me accomplish my goals long term in this life, today, & trolls aren't REALLY worth it: They live off creating misery imo, because they themselves, are pissed off @ life... negativity is their enemy & they don't even know it).
That'd be a first for me, "backing off" from a troll (as you appear to be honestly imo)... but, today is the day I start, hopefully, a "new trend" because it worked out well with somersault to "bury the hatchet" & NOT in one anothers' skull (per somersault & myself "having it out" here), it was a misunderstanding between he & I is all.
AND, again, please - Don't mistake this for weakness: it's not. I can & have outlasted the 'mightiest trolls' out there (Jeremy Reimer of Arstechnica being a KNOWN troll (I have others stating that bookmarked in fact, & he also saying "I have never met anyone like APK. He won't back off I have never seen the like" from his own forums no less, if you wish))...
However & I want to STRESS THIS MUCH" Hey, I do NOT like it.
(After all - Who likes fighting? Only the fool that has never been hurt by it is who, imo. I've been on BOTH ends, & either way, violence & arguments, SUCK (win, OR lose))
Sure - Part of me is "itching to take you on" but, that is exactly what you want now, isn't it?
Too bad, you're NOT going to get it... not today @ least.
(Yes - An "epiphany" of sorts hit me today, & that is to "turn the other cheek", since nobody I care for was hurt here & argument, for the sake of arguing (especially over a misunderstanding)? Dumb. I don't like BEING dumb, so it is something to be avoided. My day's gone GREAT for it, & I hope somersault's has as well - doing this, makes your WHOLE DAY a lot nicer & it extends to others too, hopefully!)
This entire "scenario" with somersault? Did ME a favor... hopefully, in THIS capacity. Hopefully he also, but I really can't speak for he.
APK
P.S.=> Anyhow/anyways: Well... maybe you're having a "bad day", or just like to stir up trouble. So, I am NOT sure why you're doing this but,I think you're the fool who is trying to "stir the sauce up here" some more is all, as I suspected & noted to somersault (& I don't think he or I will be party to your machinations, not @ this point & NOT anymore... he & I have had, speaking for myself ONLY though of course @ this point, QUITE ENOUGH of argument that got way, Way, WAY out of hand) &, perhaps to try to "bring out the worst in me" to make me look poorly, when you cannot do so via facts, or disproving those I have & use in situations like this...
All that mattered to me, was setting it right with somersault & I AM GLAD WE HAVE (hopefully, he seems like a nice guy & we both said some stuff to one another that was, well, less than polite, lol)... so, in the end?
Well, despite your "best efforts" here? I am not going to let YOU "negativism charge me" (for lack of a better experssion here), having TOO GOOD of a day so far, in ALL things thank God, & turning over a new leaf? It is "in order" so... sorry to disappoint you, lol! No fights will result from me via your insult, not from myself @ least... apk