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The Star Wars Christmas Special Still Exists
rapturizer noted the critical news that "Fans of "Star Wars" have a chance to see a free screening of the notoriously bad 'Star Wars Holiday Special' next week in Minneapolis."
Nothing brings out the Christmas spirit like watching what may very well be the worst TV ever produced. Sadly however, I'm not sure that this is the worst *Star Wars* merch ever made.
The only thing worse than watching the special, is watching it on VHS.
...and I have to say that if I went to free screening of it, I would demand a full refund.
My KIDS won't even watch it, and that's saying something.
Link or it didn't happen!!
Can it really be worse than Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure and Ewoks: The Battle for Endor?
even as a little kid I felt they were lame and painful to watch.
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Wonderful article. NOT! No mention of what theater? When? No linky to information that would let people know WHY this is so bad? Pfeh!
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For those of you awaking in your tauntaun right now on Hoth (aka Minneapolis), here's the link.
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Notoriously bad*? Did Lucas do something like clean up the picture then add characters into the original to change the plot of certain scenes, thus ruining the original?
* I am not a SW "fan", and have not seen this "special", only that Weird Al Yankovic knows of it in the video "White and Nerdy".
Take Nobody's Word For It.
http://xkcd.com/653/
Santa shot first!
http://xkcd.com/653/
for the notoriously bad prequels
Don't worry, Lucas fixed it up this time. All of the blasters and light-sabers have been replaced by walkie-talkies and Santa shoots first.
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
So, a couple years ago at 'B-Fest', a Chicago festival of bad movies, I 'won' a copy of a DVD burn of someone's VHS copy. I showed it to some of my friend's kids recently, and even they started trashing it. So yes, it is out there, somewhere.
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"Nothing the god of biomechanics wouldn't let you into heaven for.." -Roy Batty
Lucas is going to get wind of this and shut it down.
"If I had the time and a sledgehammer, I would track down every copy of that show and smash it." - George Lucas
I mean, what's the point in even going?
It's NOT me! It's the meds! I'm on 1000mg of Fukitol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXcb7VPw59s
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For sure they won't ever become so stupid. [VR-1988]
StarWarsHolidaySpecial.com
Fan site about the special...worth checking out for more details on the subject.
Just kidding. It stinks to high heaven. Still better than anything starring Adam Sandler though.
For anyone still scratching their heads... here...
For anyone else, congrats on "getting it"
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It would be nice if Lucas released a Special Edition of Episode I that had Jar-Jar Binks excised. Or if that's not possible, redub his voice so he sounds normal instead of racist.
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Worse than the Kiss movie?
The Star Wars Holiday Special
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For those of us in the Twin Cities who are more interested in something less... atrociously awful, there's the Klingon Christmas Carol being performed right now at Mixed Blood!
http://www.cbtheatre.org/KCC2009/KCC2009.htm
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Notoriously bad?
I actually kind of liked the Star Wars Holiday Special with the, what was it? The Festival of Life? And the Wookie family. I thought it was pretty neat, personally. I don't know why everyone is so down on it.
Especially in contrast to the new movies.
Not really the new Star Wars movies. Like, Twilight. That had to be, by a wide margin, the worst film I have ever seen. That anyone has ever seen. Acting, directing, writing. All of it was excruciatingly bad. I really don't know why people are so down on this holiday special thing when there are much worse films out there.
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As a matter of fact, I was.
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More on "the frizzies"
8==8 Bones 8==8
Whenever I try to share some of my Malla and Lumpy centric Star Wars fanfic with people, they always turn me down and say something like, "The Star Wars Christmas Special doesn't exist, George Lucas even said so," or, "The events of the Christmas Special aren't canonical." Well, who's laughing now, fuckers?
This might be just whats needed to eliminate fans that somehow survived the prequels!
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There is a fan edit which is very well done and does exactly what you are asking for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phantom_Edit [wikipedia.org]
People are down on it not because of objective badness, but because of badness tied to a well-loved series.
Most sane people that aren't teenaged girls didn't expect much from Twilight, and it wasn't an established movie series.
Star Wars, however, was an established canon that was well-loved, and the holiday special was awful. It was a disappointment.
That's all it is really.
It has been on bootleg video since the day after it aired. It was somewhat hard to track down in the days before the Interwebs, but it's very easily found these days.
The real question here, which we can't get answered because there is no link, is what kind of screening are they holding? Something from the master tapes, or a DVD-R bootleg hooked to a digital projector?
:q!
The biggest mistake is denying a mistake.
The answer is none. None more bad.
Excerpt from Interview:
MAXIM: "Any plans for a Special Edition of the Holiday Special?"
George Lucas: [hangs head] "Right. That's one of those things that happened, and I just have to live with it."
Hehe.
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For those not local to Minneapolis, there's Google Video! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=323909610753051544#
There are six legitimate installments of Star Wars canon. A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, Caravan of Courage, The Battle for Endor, and The Star Wars Christmas Special.
> Star Wars, however, was an established canon that was well-loved, and the holiday special was awful. It was a disappointment.
Well, kinda. There was only the original "Star Wars" in 1978 when the Holiday Special aired - and it didn't have no friggin "Episode IV" in the crawl, either!
Notoriously bad?
I actually kind of liked the Star Wars Holiday Special with the, what was it? The Festival of Life? And the Wookie family. I thought it was pretty neat, personally. I don't know why everyone is so down on it.....
You have not seen it have you.
I had the misfortune of watching this during a "bad films theme night" at the cinema.
Its Wookie grunting for Half the show and a little kid Wookie that you want to strangle.
Jefferson Airplane play some songs.
Han Solo and Chewee make an appearance and last but not least Luke Skywalker shows up.
The Luke Skywalker appearance is the most interesting part as his face is caked in makeup - think Geisha and then double it.
Mark Hamill was recovering from a car crash which led to him having plastic surgery to repair his face.
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I for one loved the christmas special star wars and eagerly await its release to 3d blu-ray you insensitive clod!
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Although I guess if the point is to emphasize just how bad the Star Wars Holiday Special really was, then that may have helped slightly. Though if it is so bad you aren't willing to give a summary that is worth squat, then why even put it on the front page?
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Racist? I didn't realize you could be racist against a fictional species. I mean, I don't think Gungans even have race; they all seem to have the same basic body type and skin color. Jar Jar says "meesa" a lot, but I assumed that was brain damage.
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Couldn't they just be covered with honey and tied to an ant hill? Or forced to watch the Uwe Boll Film Festival with their eyes propped open while listening to loud Beethoven music? Why make them watch the Star Wars Holiday Special?
There is a riff track special also being played through a simulcast at marcus theatres in the wisconsin area. http://www.marcustheatres.com/Movie/MovieDetail/63178
Not sure if this is related directly or not, but it is the MST3K guys.
I have seen it and I honestly didn't think it was all that bad. It was markedly less painful than, say, watching Metropolis with the original subtitles. That is torturous.
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It's a trap!
I agree. Racist? How is that possibly racist?
Tesla was a genius. Edison however was a overrated hack who liked to torture puppies.
I saw this "live" when first broadcast. I was 6. I had the Star Wars movie soundtrack on LP record which I listened to many, many times, because we had no way of watching the actual movie unless it was playing at a theater.
So the TV show was just a dose of that universe for me at that age, like throwing a puppy a bone. So of course I liked it - I just wanted to see those characters, regardless of what they were doing.
But here's the odd part. Where I was so young when I saw that, and only saw it once, I would have these vague memories about watching Star Wars on TV. I knew that couldn't be, because Star Wars was never on TV, and because there were specific scenes I remembered that weren't even from the movie. Fairly recently (like in the last 5 years or so) I saw a reference to that special (probably here on Slashdot) and then it all fell in place.
And yes, it really sucked bad. Like a bad blend of taking fictional characters and pulling them into a contemporary environment (1978). It totally destroyed the illusion that so many movie exist to create. Like watching R2D2's top removed and see some little guy lifted out.
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Before we say something we later regret, we should consider that without the Star Wars Holiday Special there would be no Boba Fett.
Or if that's not possible, redub his voice so he sounds normal instead of racist.
The language of the Gungans is mutually intelligible with Galactic Basic but different in ways much like the ways that various English-based creoles like Tok Pisin differ from English. What's so dishonorable about that?
This show was so bad that it is what you warn kids about so they will grow up to have sensible careers like toe surgeons and test subjects for clinical trials instead of film makers and TV producers.
Are you a performance artist trying to conclusively prove that there is no absolute standard for "bad" in matters of taste? I mean if we can't all agree that the Star Wars Holiday Special is perhaps the most purely horrible, terrible, awful, so awful it sort of transcends itself and can be enjoyed ironically thing in the known universe of culture, then I have little hope for our species.
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I've seen it. It's bad. Really bad. I think this is what drove Carrie Fisher to do drugs. She was in it, and she had to say the lines, and the lines were bad even by Lucas standards, and I cringed with every word. It was torture by proxy; what Jabba did to Leia was nothing compared to what Lucas did to Fisher in that special...
The only way Lucas could fix this is by digitally replacing it with Raiders of the Lost Ark.
I saw it the first time and loved it. (Very young kid).
Not really the new Star Wars movies. Like, Twilight.
I'm afraid it's all to do with the Geek Girl...
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/moviebob/6797-Twilight-of-the-She-Geeks
that back when he was the Surgeon General, C. Everett Coop said that if you were forced to choose between seeing SWHS once or taking up smoking for a lifetime, go for the latter.
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Who says English-based creoles are mutually intelligible with English? Jamaican patois sure as hell isn't. Neither is Cocoy, spoken on Dominica by descendants of migrants from Antigua.
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Wow. Well, this is proof of the old saying - can't remember it exactly - something like "There's no idea so bizarre that it doesn't have its own constituency." Internet comment streams make that all too clear. On the other hand this really helps explain why there are fans of Ewoks and the Prequels.
Syntax error: loose != lose, affect != effect, then!=than
Oh my god, why does it keep posting my comments as anonymous coward!?
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Metropolis was a silent film, there are no "subtitles".
So, at what point did you realize this show wasn't so bad?
I dunno boss, I hosted a screening party for this last week and while the best we could say about it was that it was educational about 70s variety shows, and actually is pretty heavy for little kids, it really doesn't pass muster as "entertainment."
Don't blame me, I voted for Baltar.
This can't be right, I've seen new Dr Who
Its Wookie grunting for Half the show and a little kid Wookie that you want to strangle.
Jefferson Airplane play some songs.
Han Solo and Chewee make an appearance and last but not least Luke Skywalker shows up.
The Luke Skywalker appearance is the most interesting part as his face is caked in makeup - think Geisha and then double it.
Mark Hamill was recovering from a car crash which led to him having plastic surgery to repair his face.
Singing!!!! How can you forget the singing?!? My ears begin bleeding profusely at the mere remembrance of it!!!
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What do you call those little frames with the German gibberish in between scenes? I just called'em subtitles, but I imagine there's a more exact term.
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... I mean that seriously. I kinda wish the mainstream media would use similar statements to headline their articles and news blurbs:
I might actually tune in if they were dead-pan ridiculously honest about the crap they shovel.
I have had this for awhile. I'm guessing from someones old VHS recording. It's fairly sad, You could point at about 30 specials from that era and say much the same.
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I agree. Racist? How is that possibly racist?
Woosh? Gungans (particularly their Ebonics) showed George Lucas racist sentiments toward uneducated black Americans.
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So, on the lower end of the full quality scale you've defined a range and within that range, the special manages to be average. "decently middling" as you put it. So I take it that you may be inclined to say that the Special epitomizes the content within that range?
Or, as I would put it, you could say that the Special defines "sucks"
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Please. I was in Korea when this came out. I had to wait for a friend to send a copy on VHS to see it, as AFKN was not showing this. Extremely disappointed.
"There's no idea so bizarre that it doesn't have its own constituency."
That's the nicest way I've ever heard Rule#34 stated. Also.... I'm old enough to have seen the special when it aired. I was 7 and understood then, as it was happening, that it was horrible.
Okay, you've got me interested. I'm definitely looking forward to Twilight coming on German free-TV now so I can riff it with friends.
I definitely expect some extremely bad stuff here, though. If Twilight isn't worse than The Core, Battlefield Earth and Santa Claus Conquers the Martians I'm going to be disappointed.
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was there any singing in SCCM?
Only the theme song, which is now stuck in my head, you bastard!
I think the really disturbing part of it is the youtube video of the first part of it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCNGjKnTzaQ is probably the only youtube video ever with comments that are passable English and somewhat intelligent.
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I strongly recommend watching this show from the back rows because it is so awful that space and time actually collapse into a singularity on the screen. Those in the front rows risk sitting within the event horizon and will have to watch it for all eternity.
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"Intertitles" or "title cards"... "subtitles" are translations of spoken dialogue only. As it is, Metropolis is pretty thin on cards of any language. If you want an unbearable experience, try watching Merropolis with the Giorgio Moroder rock opera score.
Don't blame me, I voted for Baltar.
Woosh? Gungans (particularly their Ebonics) showed George Lucas racist sentiments toward uneducated black Americans.
I've never heard of this before. Who came up with that bullshit interpretation?
What's next? Because Yoda doesn't speak with correct grammar he's somehow racist too?
Give me a break.
Tesla was a genius. Edison however was a overrated hack who liked to torture puppies.
I liked Battlefield Earth...
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And I’m not even sure it’s what’s depicted in this image here: ^^
http://pictureisunrelated.com/2009/09/15/if-i-have-to-live-with-this-image-so-do-you/
(As it says: If I have to live with this image, so do you. ;)
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Singing!!!! How can you forget the singing?!? My ears begin bleeding profusely at the mere remembrance of it!!!
I think I was a sleep - the Wookie grunting did it I tell you.
Actually, that sounds awesome!
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Objective badness? Are you kidding me?
My girlfriend and I do enjoy some bad movies, we attend B-Fest each year, and have a collection. We tried to watch about 15 minutes of the beginning of the holiday special, and we were in such awe of the massive idiocy of the acting, the script, the entire idea, that we were in complete agreement with the xkcd comic about this.
The kid that's doing this is about to commit social suicide. This special isn't just bad, it makes me want to hurt myself it's so bad.
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It really can't be worse than Mark Hamill on the Muppet Show can it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMPdDa90pLY
The Force is not with this video.
Ok You win, that is worse than anything I have seen.
The link in the article is an excellent example of how to make your web page load slowly by making it wait for slow ad servers. I gave up after 15 seconds.
And people wonder why the print media can't succeed on line.
MRROOOOOOOOOAR!!! MMRRREEEEAAAR
*10 minutes of this*
MRRRRRRREAAERROORRR. MREAAAROONGRRRRRR.
I swear to God, there is like 20 straight minutes of nothing but Wookiee language being spoken.
I was stoned when I saw it, and I think that made it even worse.
---don't make me break out my red pen.
I played this special last year for my (then) 5 year old son who is a Star Wars freak (probably knows almost as much as the old man, and when I told him that one day, he simply replied "Now *I* am the master" ). About 20 minutes into the show, he came to me and asked me to turn it off. Asked me if I could put something else, anything else on tv. It was that bad.
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His accent sounds Jamaican. He is a figure of fun (admittedly not a very fun one, but that's what he was obviously intended to be). His accent is one of the things you're supposed to laugh at. Given that it sounds like a real accent, that makes it racist, imo. Now Black does not equal Jamaican, but Jamaican mostly means black, hence the issue.
Aide-toi, le Ciel t'aidera - Jeanne D'Arc.
To be fair, the cartoon where Boba Fett is first introduced to the world was interesting, in retrospect at least.
William Shatner: Look for the girl with the sun in her eyes...And she's gone. [weird echo effect]
It's more like:
"Look for the GIRL? With the SUN IN HER EYES?? .. ANDSHE'SGONEGONEGONEGONEgonegonegone..."
Bow-ties are cool.
Noone is kidding, it IS bad. Give me a second to tippex out bad in my dictionary and replace it with star wars holiday special.
Lucas could replace him with a two-way radio. He'd be less threatening then and I doubt anyone could tell the difference.
In that he was trying to create an analog of a stereotypically laid-back sea-going culture, how is directly linking it to the stereotypical Jamaican accent racist in a negative sense? Sci fi is all about taking the normal, real world cultures and throwing them into a new setting to explore other possibilities. By creating the direct linkage, Lucas allows viewers to more readily understand his analogy.
I've seen this. But I wonder if Santa Claus Conquers the Martians wasn't more mind wrenching-ly horrible. I've been afflicted by both so I am in no position to judge. Now that I think about it, though, was there any singing in SCCM?
Oh, how easily you forget...
Let me refresh your memory. Santa's at the North Pole, preparing for Christmas. He's got a cozy little sweatshop filled with broad cultural stereotypes of children from all around the world... As the narrator tells us all about the different nations from which Santa has plucked his indentured workforce, each one gets to sing a little song...
Still, I'd take Santa Claus Conquers the Martians over the Star Wars Holiday Special any day. In my book SCCM is "so bad it's good", while the Star Wars Holiday Special is so bad it's painful...
Bow-ties are cool.
There is a definite "interesting" effect to the whole thing, particularly if you get a version with the ads, for the Ladies Garment Workers Union, and GM and Whirlpool all basically guilting people into buying American, and a TV spot for Animal House.
It's also fun to see what Bruce Villanch (that guy who took over CHarles Nelson Reilly's spot in Hollywood Squares) and Pat Proft (that guy who wrote the Police Academy and Scary Movie movies) were doing in 1978 (writing Star Wars variety shows, apparently), and to see some of the choreography of David Winters (later to direct that MST3K favorite, Space Mutiny).
Don't blame me, I voted for Baltar.
And before I get flamed, yes I know ET was a Spielberg movie, but ILM did the special effects on the 20th anniv. edition.
Leaving aside issues of whether it is good to propagate stereotypes of cultures at all, Jar-Jar was a character designed to be laughed at, to be stupid, to get his tongue stuck to racing cars and to be saved by the Jedi. Now if one character in a set of racial-cultural analogues is an idiot, well every race under the Sun has its share or idiots and geniuses: being unprejudiced is about judging people for who they are, not some stereotype. But when all representatives of that racial-cultural analogue are bumbling fuckers that you wish had never been scripted, then that suggests racism. You don't see any people talking with an educated American accent falling over in surprise or running like a puppet that just stood on a spider.
Aide-toi, le Ciel t'aidera - Jeanne D'Arc.
Darths & Droids makes a much better job of making sense of 1 and 2 I've long thought that TPM played like an OK RPG campaign FX the whole podracing thing happened because the GM had picked up some racing boardgame and was itching to use it.
Still with the "Phantom Menace is racist" BS?
End yourself, please.
No I'm not joking. I honestly do not see the racial connection with Jar Jar.
And the fact that I don't see racism everywhere is no reason to try and insult me.
Tesla was a genius. Edison however was a overrated hack who liked to torture puppies.
His accent sounds Jamaican
Two of my closest friends are Jamaican - Jar Jar does NOT sound Jamaican.
Tesla was a genius. Edison however was a overrated hack who liked to torture puppies.
Yeah, his 2 minute animated segment is really the only thing worth watching on the whole special. And I LOVE all things Star Wars. I remember watching this on network tv when it originally came out, and my nostalgia laced memory didn't remember it being that awful. Until I watched it again a few years ago and realized just how awful it actually was. But then again I also used to love the Dukes of Hazzard and think Sccoby Doo was pretty clever as well.
"But this one goes to 11!"
What jackass rated my parent post as a Troll? It's an honest question and I don't see why it would be labeled as Troll.
Tesla was a genius. Edison however was a overrated hack who liked to torture puppies.
It has been a while since I saw the film, but Jar-Jar struck me as the only bumbling idiot in the film - he took the place of the fully constructed c3p0.
The other Gungans had a carefree and somewhat absurd existence but their military strategy actually made some sense (apart from being outnumbered heavily). Further, they were to fill the place of the oppressed native in the midst of a war between two sets of colonizers (the human Naboo and the Trade Fed).
For such, you need a culture that is laid back and comparatively "lower" on the tech scale--again, while are certainly other choices, Lucas needed a people group with a different accent than General American English to illustrate this in an auditory fashion. He could just as easily have chosen a South African accent, an Indian accent, or even, though this would have had less effect, IMHO, a Chinese analog accent. The racism charge might still be applied, but I do not see much of a way around choosing a non-standard English accent from a former colony to achieve in an audible fashion what was achieved on screen in a visual fashion.
The flying master of Anakin (don't remember his name now) a "troyariam" or something like this, was criticized because racism against jews. (for his nose, and that he always wanted money).
I think racism in this case ir like p0rn, it is in the eye of the observer.
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You weren't a troll. The whole thread, about five posts in a row was troll modded. There have been a few cases of that. Somebody said that some bunch of idiots (or maybe just one) are trying to mod whole sequences of posts troll. Seem to have been modded up again now. I had a few posts the other day modded as Overrated when they hadn't even been modded up in the first place.
Aide-toi, le Ciel t'aidera - Jeanne D'Arc.
An Oyveyian.
And the fact that I don't see racism everywhere is no reason to try and insult me."
I agree. I mean, no, I didn't car for JJ either, but, I never saw anything racist about him either. I think some people just go outta their way trying to see racism in everything, and with everyone trying to not see color, I think trying to find it in everything hinders that cause.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
I love Slashdot. Where else can the cultural merits of the Star Wars Holiday Special be compared to transcendental truth and the entire hope of a species?
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I was eleven. I sort of remember thinking that trying to make up words to go with an orchestral movie score was a bad idea. I would have said "oh, no they didn't" if anybody had been saying that back then.
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Some posts are overrated at the default posting level. Now, I figure that means they should attract a "Troll" mod or one of the other negatives but I'm not going to assume that anyone who puts "Overrated" on a previously unrated post is up to no good. Maybe they just couldn't see anything else that fit the particular sort of problems they saw in your post.
I'm just sayin...
It's especially interesting when a show is so boring that people see the ads between them as the more interesting feature.
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Luke, be a Jedi toniiiiiight, just be a Jedi toniiiiiight.....
(I know it's not from the SWHS, but I'm sure people on /. will know it)
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I mean, you don't have robots in the amusement park, but you do have Carrie Fisher on coke.
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"I've never heard of this before. Who came up with that bullshit interpretation?"
A few people did at the time. A few are listed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jar_Jar_Binks#Allegations_of_racial_caricature
This issue was revisited with the latest Transformer film; a couple of the robots were seen to be racist caricatures and allusions were made to the Jar Jar controversy. Googling "jar-jar racist" will give you more background if you're interested. You obviously strongly disgree -- as do many people -- but this does not discount the fact that there was a raging controversy at the time.
"What's next? Because Yoda doesn't speak with correct grammar he's somehow racist too?"
I'll take this question at face value. There was no similar discussion of Yoda's accent that I recall. This is because Jar-Jar's accent was seen by many to be patterned after racist caricatures; Yoda's had no such similarities.
Sitting in my day care, the art is decopainted.
"I've never heard of this before. Who came up with that bullshit interpretation?"
A few people did at the time. A few are listed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jar_Jar_Binks#Allegations_of_racial_caricature
This issue was revisited with the latest Transformer film; a couple of the robots were seen to be racist caricatures and allusions were made to the Jar Jar controversy. Googling "jar-jar racist" will give you more background if you're interested. You obviously strongly disgree -- as do many people -- but this does not discount the fact that there was a raging controversy at the time.
"What's next? Because Yoda doesn't speak with correct grammar he's somehow racist too?"
I'll take this question at face value. There was no similar discussion of Yoda's accent that I recall. This is because Jar-Jar's accent was seen by many to be patterned after racist caricatures; Yoda's had no such similarities.
Someone has a great signature that says something like: There is no dislike mod, and no, troll, flamebait, overrated are not substitutes.
Please mod parent and myself up as I was not trolling.
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You didn't know that Lucas was biased against short, green people who speak funny?
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So this is why the Empire wanted to kill the Rebels.... Shit, I've been rooting for the wrong side the whole damn time!
Sometimes, the answer is to just destroy it all.
an educated American accent
We're still looking for one of those.
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The flying master of Anakin (don't remember his name now) a "troyariam" or something like this, was criticized because racism against jews. (for his nose, and that he always wanted money).
I was trying to rememember the name of the race in the Phantom Menace that was accused of being Japanese stereotypes; a bit of detective work reveals they were the "Neimoidians".
Basically, I think Lucas was trying to shove so many stereotypes in there that he offended everyone equally and thus couldn't be accused of racism ;-)
I think racism in this case ir like p0rn, it is in the eye of the observer.
Let's just say that some porn is blatantly... porn, regardless of that "eye of the beholder" thing. If it's called "ATM Bitches 13" and the cover features a really bad montage of sexual positions and really tacky Photoshop-effect lettering then it's likely intended as porn.
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Its speciesist.
Anything can be found funny, from a certain point of view.
Hamill had this to say about that:
"I had the accident way before Star Wars came out, but what really happened has been terribly distorted. I broke my nose, that's it! But I've read accounts about how my face has been reconstructed with plastic surgery, and how I was pulling myself along the highway with one arm looking for help. I even heard that I drove off a cliff! That's the best one of all."
Yes I read that but he must have had some bad scars with the amount of make up he was wearing during that christmas special.
Hey moron? You might want to Google Jar Jar Racist before you go modding people troll, considering there are 1.4 MILLION hits, nearly all saying the SAME FUCKING THING as I wrote.
Maybe if you had actually bothered to see anything done by Stepin Fetchit you would have a fucking clue as to where the character of Jar Jar came from, since he is pretty much a CGI Stepin Fetchit.
But maybe you were too busy drooling over the thought of big black cocks to actually think of anything else. Now THAT is a troll, you cock slobbering cum dumpster!
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
I think people like you just see what they want to see. A reflection of what you are inside. That why so many people that are excessively outspoken against gays, havinag an affair, whatever, are actually that way themselves but cannot admit it. Just look at how fiercely outspoken Newt Gingrich was against Clintons affair when in reality he was hiding his own affair.
There's no racism in Star Wars except what you project there of your own biases and attitudes. You see JarJar being a racist stereotype against blacks because that is your perception of blacks.
Tesla was a genius. Edison however was a overrated hack who liked to torture puppies.
AFAIK the over- & under- mods are karma neutral, I use 'em to make threshold adjustments when I don't want to reflect a karma judgment. All my mods are as fact/opinion neutral as possible. I do use a little bias regarding logged-in vs: AC posts, I tend to be a little more lenient of registered users, and weigh intent more heavily when evaluating posts, to conserve (most folks) karma. ACs have a much higher threshold of funny to get a bump, also. The idea is to make the site more interesting and amusing, and less offensive, for un-logged-in or high-threshold users, whatever their divergent opinions or points-of-view. I never studied rhetoric, but a well-meant, clear and concise statement of incorrectness deserves rebuttal and correction rather than negation, IMO. This issue is a reflection of society at large; An awful lot of well-meaning, but unqualified, people making things less than they should be, whilst the spammers and vandals do egregious and disproportionate damage, and heroic coders seek new algorithms in the fight.
Ethnic stereotypes DO indeed exist, as do people who speak in creoles and pidgins of their colonizers' language. I don't recall Jar-Jar craving watermelon, or anything that seemed overtly racist to me, but perhaps my antennae are tuned incorrectly.
The cost of that cleanup, of course, will be borne by taxpayers, not industry.
But he doesn't look like any Jamaicans I've seen. His skin is not the right color, for one, and he lacks hair.
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
Stepin Fetchit was black. Was he racist against himself? Or is this just another example of "progressive" hypocrisy?
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
Oh Please! There is nothing worse in this world than liberal psychobabble! Do you REALLY think that there are 1.4 MILLION hits under "Jar Jar racist" because it is all just in everyone's heads? really?
I suppose then that we can make a new CGI about some "mud people" that have bones in their noses and chucked "laser spears" and ate a large red centered green fruit that wouldn't be racist either, because they are aliens? The character was such a Stepin Fetchit I'm shocked that whomever owns the rights to the original Stepin Fetchit didn't sue for copyright infringement!
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Stepin Fetchit had two choices in the 1930s-Either make fun of his own race (remember that this was a time when often white actors would be painted black and do the same act) or never work in Hollywood. if you will look at the depiction of most non whites at that time it was pretty heavily racist-The blacks were lazy stepin fetchits, the Asians had big buck teeth and slanty eyes, etc.
Just because somebody was willing to take the job for money doesn't make it any less racist. For a look at just how rough it was when actors like Stepin Fechit were working just remember that at that time the #1 grossing movie of all time was Birth Of A Nation, which had people lining up at its release to pay the equivalent of $40 a ticket in today's money to see the "heroic" Klan deal with the "savage" negros, and it stayed the #1 box office grossing film until 1937. So at the time Stepin Fetchit had the choice of play the "dumb darkie" or not work at all.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
If I had the perception that Native Americans were tall bumbling clumsy idiots that couldn't speak correctly, then I would have seen JarJar and thought 'that's just like a native! George Lucas must really be racist against them!'
I don't care how many hits there are - the only way people think Jar Jar is a racist stereotype is if they have those stereotypical perceptions of that stereotype group themselves.
Besides - people who say Jar Jar is a racist stereotype cant even decide who it is a stereotype of - you think it is black americans, others think its Jamaicans. Further proof that this is all in the mind of the beholder.
Tesla was a genius. Edison however was a overrated hack who liked to torture puppies.
You're right, I did get the movies mixed up... How embarrassing...
Bow-ties are cool.