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Best Buy $39.95 "Optimization" At Best a Waste of Money
DCFC writes "The Consumerist deconstructs the appalling 'optimization service' that Best Buy has been pushing on consumers in recent weeks. The retailer charges 40 bucks to give you a slower PC, and make bizarre claims that it makes it go 200% faster. 'We ran the 3DMark 2003 graphics benchmark on each laptop, comparing optimized and non-optimized settings. For two of our samples, the Gateway and Toshiba, performance changes were negligible. On the Asus laptop, however, optimized tests actually scored about 32% worse than the non-optimized setup. We have been unable to isolate the source of this performance change. On none of the three tested laptops did the optimized settings give a performance boost in our test.'"
Friends don't let friends take their computers to Best Buy!
Can you remember when system tuning was part of the sysadmin's job? A big part of it? Then you'll remember how often we got it wrong, before we rediscovered the science of minimum change + measurement of results. I guess good system tuners are so rare now that people pounce on anyone who claims the skill, and pushes an old trick of the trade out wrapped as high tech. Fail.
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Really, all these services designed to do what, exactly? You've just added two more processes to my current roster of whatever is installed and allowed to boot on startup.
I've been saying that since BB acquired the Geek Squad, it has become a sham, a scam, and I'm quite sure a violation of many privacy laws.
Sadly, they have my laptop (or actually, it has them) and I'm waiting for it to get totally replaced. Enough hardware failed enough times that it should warrant them just giving me a new machine.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
...of course this is probably a junk "service," but it's unlikely that the reference PCs were bloated with the sort of crap that they MIGHT be removing in the service.
Sure, they probably update drivers and "set aside" obvious bloatware, but other than that, they can't do anything -- and your reference PCs are probably least likely to get benefit from that, ahem, service.
It is no secret that part of the reasons machines are so cheap these days is because of all of the crapware that comes pre-loaded on them. Sure, Joe and Jane don't know how to get rid of the stuff (and thus have to pay someone to do it). I, however, can do it myself. This means I get to buy a cheaper machine at their expense. :)
It is hard to be upset about that.
I agree, my girlfriends mom took her computer to best buy because it was failing to POST. They debugged it and deemed it unfixable, and turned around and sold her a new computer. She brought the new computer home and set it up, and I took the broken one. I took a look at it, reseated the memory, and poof everything was fine.
This was 5 years ago, that computer still works fine to this day. Best Buy/Geek squad takes advantage of customers that do any better.
Ha!... they charge 40 bucks to clean up the startup, great... This might actual put Best Buy in the running for the most corrupt company in existence. Best Buy is going to have a hard time passing up Jiffy Lube for most corrupt company in 2010. Perhaps they should also tack on another 100 dollar charge to help carry it out to your car, they could totally market it as a "zero shock pc transport service"... that's sure to screw with the general public... throw in some more big words and act like they are doing us a service. Jiffy Lube look out!! your not the only ones that are screwing people mercilessly. "No,... just the cheapest oil change you got... No.. sir... sir... no.. I already have wiper blades... sir... SIR, no... sir listen.. I don't want the manufacturer's suggested monthly screwing, just the oil change."
All they do is delete the shortcuts on the desktop and run windows update.
And they don't even do that reliably.
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True "optimization" on most newer machines is simply removing the bloatware that infests almost every machine out there. Technically abilities aside, software vendors will freak if they find out BestBuy is ripping out all the software they paid to have pre-loaded. I "fixed" three new laptops for family and friends over the holidays and in each case it was faster just to nuke it from orbit and install Windows 7 fresh (and not from the restore partition, which invariably puts all the crap back on there).
Best Buy selling snake oil? No , it must be a mistake. A misunderstanding.
I mean they got a Geek Squad in farfergnugen cop cars. These are professionals.
I guess they gotta have A+ certification and everything. You must be missing out on the subtle but brilliant improvement.
It may start slow but in that last second everything goes 200% faster. Just like those Geek buggies.
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1) Download: http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/
2) Install
3) Run program.
Hell, I'll even give you free PC optimization months down the road after your PC looses it's new PC smell!
1) Download: http://www.ccleaner.com/
2) Install
3) Run program.
You're welcome.
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Wow. I don't know how I can possibly reconcile this anomalous data point with all of the other things I've heard about them.
Anybody who buys a computer from Best Buy instead of going to Newegg or TigerDirect probably deserves exactly what they get.
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
I can confirm that the optimization consists of:
1) Running some registry tweaks/fixes
2) Get the latest Windows updates (unless we were backlogged with a lot of work, in which case we'd skip it)
3) Uninstall unnecessary programs (usually only at the customer's request)
All of this was automated through an in-house "Customizer" program. So the optimization consisted of turning the computer on, hooking it up to the network, and running the program.
How much do you have to pay for stock OEM windows? Because whenever I optimize a computer, it mostly involves removing the shoddy always-on software installed by the manufacturer / Best Buy.
CFLAGS="-O9"; emerge -eD world
Waste of money, may make computer slower...
In other news, the sky is blue, water is wet, and obnoxious body sprays will not get you laid...
sigh
Ahhh but did they say it was to be optimized for speed? Could it be that they are optimizing your machine for replacement? Optimized for reporting marketing data to best buy? Optimized for suck? Optimized to make other peoples PCs look better?
I have to wonder, if surveyed, what percentage of users would report that their PC was faster :)
Salesmen are kinda scumbags everywhere. NPR has been doing some great programs on it recently. This morning there was talk of car buying and all the tricks. They talk about "monthly payments" and other abstract notions, because it makes it much easier for them to hide fees into a fully broken up payment than if they were actually talking "out the door" price. Also they even make "math errors" to the point that the person telling the story claimed to have bought cars 4 times and EVERY TIME caught a "math error" that would have had him paying more.
"Error" indeed.
I like to keep the salesman's tricks in mind while talking to them. It takes away a lot of their power if your going over the tricks and intended effects in your head "Oh he is looking for a yes here so he can foster agreement" "oh, hes repeating his question again looking to see if I am faltering" "oh, there we go, mentioning value again, must mean its way overpriced"
then again, I question even this. As it seems some salesmen are extremely vulnerable to their own pitches. I have a friend who briefly sold Kirby vaccuumes. From what I hear their best customers end up being their own salesmen sometimes, and judging from him.... he seemed so sold you almost thought he would end up buying one if he stayed with it. (you may see one demo on how much dirt it picks up, he sees several demos a week...)
-Steve
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
First thing I do with a retail computer is delete all the crud. Trials, stuff that runs at startup unnecessarily, etc. Sometimes you can just reinstall the OS from the restore disk and start from there. Then there is the icon cleanup, which can take forever.
"Bob's Software Company\Tax Pro\Tax Pro.lnk" becomes "Tax Pro"
"Adobe\Adobe Acrobate Reader.lnk" becomes "Junk\Acrobat Reader.lnk"
The article says that Best Buy did cleanup the desktop. Hopefully, this will create an awareness of just how much manufacturers are screwing over their customers. They include all this junk, then the end-user pays someone to clean it off. There's many times I thought about actually writing a program that does this.
If Best Buy offered a service to do this without screwing up the laptops or lying to customers, then it might actually be a good thing.
My first question would be if "optimized" pc's are better, why is everyone buying the non-optimized ones?
Shouldn't it be harder to get the "better" ones?
I'm always amazed at the shift in their sales ploy after you look like you're going to buy something. It goes from "This is the best on the market" to "this thing is a piece of crap. You better get an extended warranty." Uhm, didn't you just tell me how great this thing was?
When she asked if she could install anti-virus software herself instead of paying Geek Squad to do it, she was told installing software yourself, "negates the vendor's warranty."
Heh. I *love* that part!
Now, whenever someone tells me that Linux can't work on the desktop because "off-the-shelf" Windows software doesn't work on it, I can tell them that you can't do it on Windows without voiding the warranty!
I just don't believe it. That sounds like something CompUSA would do!
+1 Disagree
it is automatic... What could go wrong?
In fairness, note that most users handing over a laptop to bestbuy for optimization has it loaded down with crapware and a billion start up items, so just deleting all startup items would prolly give the user a 200% speed boost on startup. Nothing any goof with Google couldn't do though I'm sure. What do they say- ignorance is expensive?
Haha... someone bought a computer from Best Buy. hahaha.
You can't trick me, I buy all of my computers from the Apple Store.
So let me get this straight: the vendors install shitloads of garbage "trial" software, then Best Buy charges EXTRA to remove it? Howsabout just skipping the crap entirely?
Remove programs:
Norton
McAfee
ANYTHING made by Symantec
Replace with any decent free antivirus. Easily increases performance by a metric fuckton.
or just uninstall Vista.
What are you even talking about? I just got my oil changed at a Jiffy Lube last month and they didn't try to push anything else on me. It was $20 out the door with a $12 rebate that I just received last week.
I have never been to a Best Buy (their first stores in my home country open later this year) but if we assume they are like PCWorld, they probably sell PCs with stuff preinstalled and auto-running (IE, the updater for Realplayer which runs at boot)
their agreements with the software companies would prevent the tune-up techies from removing the autostarts like most of us geeks would, so all they can do is delete temp files, update programs to the latest release (therefore, often, bigger files being autostarted) and defrag
PC Sellers have major conflicts of interest between what the support guys would do given free reign, and what marketing and legal require, contractually.
I have been a user for about 10 years. This ends Feb 2014. The site's been ruined. I'm off. Dice, FU
WTF? That test determines 3d gaming performance. While I do not doubt that the best buy "service" is junk, 3dmark would by no means be a valid metric.
Buying ANYTHING at Best Buy these days is a chore.
"No I don't want your optimization plan."
"No I don't want an extended warranty."
"No I don't want any accessories."
"No I don't want the super awesome $50 Monster Cables with gold tips."
"No I don't want your PlatinumShield super-dupper service plan."
What's bad is when you get a salesman who wants to argue with you. "But you need our service plan!!" Sometimes I just want to throttle these guys. If there was another place I could get computer parts and electronics locally (for times when waiting three or four days for Newegg isn't an option) I would never set foot inside their doors. A few weeks ago I had pushy BB salesmen try to sell me a warranty plan on a $20 card reader, for crying out loud.
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Some lawyer will file a class action suit against Best Buy for this practice.
Best Buy will ignore it until the moment it looks like they will really go to court, then Best Buy will settle.
The settlement will be for $48 million. The lawyers will get $45 million, and the other $3 million will be in the form of "certificates" awarded to the plaintiffs good for 1 free "optimization" on a computer purchase at Best Buy within the next 12 months.
That's how it works.
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The part of this that is that they advertise one product and them sell the same product at a higher price with mythical work done. If the work had been done, then one would be given an open box item, which is commonly sold cheaper than a NIB item. This was not listed, but even if had 'optimization' done I would want to see the factory sealed item first. Maybe other people are more trusting.
This may be a case where it may be worth a bit of cash for a consumer to walk out with a working computer, rather than just bits the the consumer may or may not be able to figure out. Sure phone support is free, but that is not good for everything. Sure one could go to a reputable store and get service, but these people are going to Best Buy.
Just to mention it, the Apple Store will set everything up before you leave with your computer. I am sure that there are stores that sell PC that will do the same thing. I double that they have the lowest advertised pice.
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I am a Staples easytech idiot and we basically have the same service for $10 cheaper called a pc tune-up. We run a norton toolkit scan, meaning "find out if we can push a virus removal service (129.99)," and nothing more than a basic "windows cleanup." This is usually a 29.99 service although it just so happens to be free right now. All the big box stores are a scam, preying on the lack of basic public knowledge like any local car mechanic.
Sadly I happen to be preaching to the choir. We will continue to have customers pouring in with the most mind-numbingly simple problems that we charge $150 to fix in the end. It's this fact that actually makes it a difficult job for me.
They have a similar service for the 360 where for $40-ish they will install all the XBox Live updates for you. When they tried to push it on me the salesman insisted that if I didn't get it, it would take about 5 hours for my XBox to update and be able to play games. Which obviously is complete bullshit unless you could only download at like 1KB/sec or something.
When I got home it took at most 5 minutes for it to download and apply the updates.
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While I have no doubt the conclusion is sound, it'd be nice if it came from somewhere else than the Consumerist. I've never seen a more rabid, one-sided, whiny user base outside of Free Republic.
Yes, I know they're owned by Consumer Reports. No, that doesn't make it reputable.
I worked at Best Buy as a computer tech years ago before they changed to Geek Squad. Yes, the system optimization was a total joke. I just found a backup of my old "sysop" thumb drive. I imagine they're using something different now, but the descriptions in the program give a general rundown:
- Registry tweaks: Performs special tweaks to Window's Registry that speed up menu delays, limit size of the recycle bin, tweak virtual memory, and others.
- Service tweaks: Turns services to "Manual" that are not needed upon boot-up to ensure faster boot times and decrease service memory usage.
- Limit started applications on Boot-up: Turns off applications that HP, Compaq, Sony, and other manufacturers are notorious for allowing to run at start-up.
- Security Patches: Installs the latest patches from Microsoft to increase the stability and security of a Windows XP system.
- BootVis: A tool from Microsoft that increases boot performance.
Again, I'm sure this is outdated, but you get the idea.
the problem that Consumerist has is that you can't seem to avoid paying for it. "Sorry, they're all pre-optimized."
I don't want undercoating on my car!
It's going to be fun when consumers start walking on them like the customer at the car lot in Fargo. Karma's a bitch.
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Everyone who has read this article already knew that it was scammy.
Two years ago I bought a computer from Best Buy because at times they offer 0% financing and my 1 Ghz Athlon Thunderbird based PC was showing it's age, taking forever to two pass encode xvids. Got a dual core AMD and made sure it had an nvidia graphics chip. Got it home, and wired it up. it came loaded with vista. Installed Imgburn and downloaded the debian netinst iso image. Burned the image to a disc, rebooted and installed debian over vista. Why would anyone pay 40 bucks over and above what was just spent and still have Windows installed?
Serenity now, insanity later.
Just edit the Windows registry and set BUGS=OFF
Have gnu, will travel.
We just ordered a PC online for "in store pickup" at Bestbuy.com. It will be interesting to see what they do, seeing as we already have a receipt and it says nothing about any extra services. I want the PC (Core Duo Quad with 8Gigs of ram and a Tb drive) but I almost want them to dick with me as we bought it across state lines and State Attorney Generals (State Attorneys General? States Attorney General?) just LOVE to dick with internet cases.... Still, I do want to walk out with my new box.
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I imagine their service, like many others, simply revolves around removing all the accumulated crap from your system and probably updating your drivers... Basically all the stuff a typical user won't do.
By sending them a clean system, you won't see any benefit whatsoever.
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I still remember back in the day when Geek Squad first appeared in Best Buys. My brother asks one of the "geeks" could point him to a decent PCI-E video card. They promptly pointed him to an AGP card. When both my brother and I explained that we were looking for PCI-E, and NOT AGP, the "geek" turned to us and said, "That's ok, they both fit in the same slot".
Seriously????
This is one of many stories I have heard/been around for when dealing with BB and the Tard Squad.
Had this happen myself looking at a dell netbook. I asked why one was more expensive than the other as it looked like a similiar spec. They said they'd optimised it. I asked what needed to be optimised on a stock xp install (thinking drivers perhaps updated, nothing that a windows update wouldn't fix) and was then shown task-manager and told to look at all the things running. I asked 'which service can you disable in that list that isn't needed and will make the system run faster?' and she didn't know.
I got the 'unoptimised' version, and noticed it had been filled with crapware and dell/bestbuy links that aren't standard. So, yeah, basically, you're paying them to remove the stuff that THEY've already added.
What a ripoff.
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Alright, lemme explain a few things: the "optimizations" are developed by a corporate team. This software is then put out on the corp server to be downloaded by the individual stores to be used. Now, most of this optimization is stuff that anyone who knows Windows and has some regedit experience can do. One of 'em is that is lowers the milliseconds it takes for the start menu to appear. Creates shortcuts for 'My Computer', 'My Documents', and IE on the desktop. The issues lies in that they're using a generic program to "optimize" all these computers. Well friends, can I get an amen when I say GENERIC TWEAKS & FIXES WILL NOT WORK EVERYWHERE! =D Besides, honestly, feel sorry for at least SOME of those agents. Yea, it's a sub-par IT task force that tries to come off as cutting edge, but that's mostly because of the corporate structure that forces the agents of the Geek Squad to ONLY use the software that is OK'd. As in, their virus/spyware removal... is like 5 different trial versions of anti-virus software that they run sequentially. No joke. The Geek Squad would do SO much better if the parent company (Best Buy) would allow the agents to use software that anybody can use. Problem is most of this software is protected under the GNU agreement (yes, I think it's a good thing) meaning that a person/company cannot charge a fee for that. So, yea, I'd take my computer elsewhere, but as far as computers go: laptops seriously benefit from the "Black Tie Protection." "Um, I can really trash my laptop, bring it back, and get it fixed, replaced, or the amount of money I spent towards a new one?" "Yes, as long as it's accidental." "And I get my battery AND my AC adapter replaced?" "Yep, those are shipped right to your door in 5 business days." Seriously, no joke, they really are a good idea on cell phones and laptops. "But they almost double the price of the laptop!" Oh boo-hoo, when's the last time you spend an extra $100-$300 to guarantee that if anything happens to your item (besides loss or theft and I hope people reading this realize why) you get a new one no matter how many times in the next 2-3 years? Think about it... and do the math.
This is just a thinly disguised trick to get around bait & switch laws.
Advertising computers for a low price then only having the exact same computer in stock for $40 more.
Unless they can demonstrate that the "pre-optimization" actually does anything to justify the $40 premium, they are advertising falsely.
I have little doubt a court case would find Best Buy guilty of illegal business practices in this case.
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Best Buy is large enough to have tested this product on numerous PCs before letting it off the shelves. I would think that they must have some concern for their reputation. Perhaps this is an example of some fool putting a buddy or family member in charge of a department who is not qualified to go to the toilet without an attendant. This is really, seriously stupid.
I had the misfortune of working for what was Firedog and also GeekSquad in high school. Both organizations are SALES based, not service. I walked on the job all googly eyed thinking it would be some wiz-bang-pop techno extravanganza, but in reality it is a constant banter from upper management chanting "sell more services", and IMO generally at the cost of quality of information conveyed to the customer.
Their exist a definitive rift between the tech savvy and the cup-holder-cd-tray-croud, but rarely will a mass marketed consumer company be open and fair in its practices, exspecially when they have the upper advantage of capitalizing on the ignorance of many.
I burned all the blue and red shirts once I resigned both post. May the Maths forgive me for my trespasses with those conglomerates.
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In keeping fairly close to Moores law in todays hardware realm of dual-core processors and memory measured in Gigabytes, why in the hell do we even need "tuning" on the average consumer desktop in the first place? I mean c'mon, seriously. How many YEARS of hardware will run Windows 2000 or XP perfectly with nothing more than an extra stick of RAM? Compare that to this pig we call Vista? Exactly. Houston, I think we found the problem.
It really does get stupid sometimes thinking about all the jobs Microsoft "accidentally" creates out there...Oddly enough, I can't seem to find the Division in Best Buy of Professional Ubuntu "tuners". Gee, I wonder why...
Learn to use a computer or be kind to someone that knows computers :)
Plus you are seeing what is really available at the store (as far as their inventory system "knows" ...), and not getting the upsell runaround from a sales clerk.
RO
This is the same store that steers people to Monster HDMI cables "because the generic brands aren't rated for 120Hz." And try to sell Mac computers "because they can't get viruses."
I am not saying it is worth $40 for this service, but I did used to perform this service when I used to work there. (I believe this service was cheaper then too.) Paying for this service on a brand new computer will most likely not be worth the cost since the computer is not loaded with all the crap that most pc users accumulate over time. Yes, there is a lot of bloatware preloaded, and we would often remove these from startup. Other then that, that's about all we could do on a new pc. So, not really worth it for a new pc. I dont like the results of this test since doing it on a new pc isn't worth it. When I would do this service on old pcs, most of the time the customer would go home quite happy with their computer. People get so much junk and adware on their computer, it slows it down considerably, and I would do everything I could to remove it. The service also depends on who performs the service. A problem we did face is the software we could use to perform the service. For a while we would use adaware, spybot search and destroy, etc. But then we were told we could not use them since they are only free individual consumers, not for corporations. This made it more complicated, since now we then would have to sell the customer software so we could use it to remove the crap on their pc. The optimization is often used as a way to upsell to a customer other services, ram upgrades, virus software, virus removal, etc. Often we would tell a customer what to do to do it themselves (download adaware, spybot, etc). However, when so many customers dont know how to even do that, then our service was of a lot of help to them. Probably for someone that is reads slashdot, you wont need optimization "service" since you're techy enough. There are so many factors of whether it is worth it or not. So for on a new pc, no. For tech guru, no. For grandma that can barely do the basics, probably yes.
I use them only because they have a mini-apple store in the one down where I live. It's the nearest place that handles any kind of Apple products, which is handy if I need a Mini-DVI to VGA adaptor to hook up to a project or a new powersupply for my MacBook Pro (I seem to break 1 a year. Doesn't seem to like the drop from my table onto a ceremic tile floor too much).
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Don't blame the employees for asking those questions - they don't have a choice in the matter. If they don't try to sell you crap you don't need, they get fired.
Even worse, I saw in-store advertisements for "wii setup"... They set the clock, create a Mii for you... I think it was about $20. Total waste!
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I bought a $450 HP laptop for a family member this Christmas, The hardware was pretty nice for the money, but the system image HP put on the machine was appalling.
First - it's loaded with garbage, support links, trial versions, and a taskbar that has so much junk running, that fills half the width of the display.
Second - no recovery discs, or operating system installation discs what so ever. You need to "make" the discs from a supplied utility and a utility partition.
Hours later I had "de-crapified" the machine and burned her system recovery discs. After enduring that process, I can see how someone might want to pay to have this done.
What is pretty underhanded is that Best Buy appears to have no inventory that would give a buyer the ability to "opt-out" of their offering.
Apple seems to be the only major computer manufacturer that doesn't load up their systems with garbage, and they give you real OS installation discs, not system recovery discs.
-ted
That's my preferred optimization strategy, and it seems to work a lot more often than Best Buy's.
Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
To me, pre-optimizing from a brick and mortar means it is an "open box" and "used item". I believe Sony charges $50 extra for selling a PC or laptop OS only and without crapware. Charging $40 extra for a laptop or desktop that they took out the box, then got their grubby geek squad hands on all over it is deceitful I think. If the price is $429.99 in the weekly ad, and you get there they "only" have $469.99 models because they were optimized--that's bait and switch.
No, you send them to Buy More.
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Maybe some manager of the Geek Squad did use the "Do what I say or I replace you with a small shell script" on to many employees, so now he bad to actually find a way to charge customers $40 to have a script run.
As long as we are sharing best buy stories...
Be very careful about the prices charged at the store vs. the prices advertised on bestbuy.com. *Twice* in the past month I have had to go to customer service because the website advertised one price and the cashier tried to charge me another. Don't walk in that place without checking the website price first...
Here's how I get a performance boost on XP. (A dual boot works well also)
I build the system from a slipstream disk, patch with WU,MSUPDATE, download secunia scanner psi, patch all the other shit over time and every day.
I Firewall the system behind an external hardware firewall
I turn off un-needed services, like windows update, and print spool, etc.. You know what you need tune it! Turn on updates when you need to, you boot faster.
When I really need power I use CTR-ALT-DEL) and kill explorer.exe and any other process not needed to be running
The shell then becomes taskmanager. you can still run your programs just fine you just have to browse for your executables
Over time you write scripts, batch files and and a vb interface to bring services / terminal (cmd, eConsole, etc) / or programs up and down as needed, the vb program can act in place of explorer.exe shell. If done right, setting paths, knowing commands, or binding hotkeys, etc. it can make a hella powerful Q6600 workstation which doesn't crash.
Even with explorer.exe running, the workstation isn't so bad. When I have explorer.exe running, I run an anti-virus/software firewall which can also can be scripted to start and stop. along with tor, or other services etc.
The idea here is to treat programs like shit, save your work, but kill them occasionally instead of exiting. Turning on services only for the application which needs them. Keeping everyhting patched and to a minimum of running proc's.
MEMORIZE your basic running process's
look them up or kill them if you don't know what they are
Such a workstation can go from compositing video for 24 or more hours to posting the title screens of the videos onto a website in short time.
Or perhaps you want all memory to render one big 3D
With each program behaving as if it crashed as it is "killed" it becomes important to save more often.
Add transition | save - Undo transition | save
You'll find speed and productivity with the customization of the theme and a dual display as well.
Virtual Box can be used to keep your online shopping safe, while everything else is just on your hard drive.
Also have separate drives c: programs and d: data/video/email/bookmark/passwords
Also have a backup clone of c:
Install program, license, debug, clone!
Since only programs are stored on c: rolling back actually feels good!
All your passwords live on a USB backup in a cross platform password manager
You have your games scripted to kill explorer and run then bring explorer back up.
Before you laugh, do tell me how fun your windows 7 and IE 8 with protools is.. What nothing?
Thought so, that's why you still need xp...
The concept of the optimization is to prepare a new computer in such a way that someone with little to no computer experience can take their new machine home and not have to worry about certain things. For example:
Now, these might all seem trivial to you, but believe me when I say that way too many people came to the Geek Squad to complain about those exact things not being done. The target here should not be Best Buy, but the manufacturers who do a customer-unfriendly job of preparing new PCs for sale.
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How about this?
"Best Buy ... A Waste of Money"
That about covers it.
If not Best Buy, then where should one try a laptop computer's keyboard and screen and then buy the computer? Walmart*?
If i am buying a new computer that computer had better be in sealed factory condition since i have no idea what was done to the computer after it was opened. If I select to have it "optimized" i want to see the tech that is doing the service (so i can "shoot him later").
How do i know that the previous person didn't put a webserver and a nice selection of kiddie porn on it??
Any person using FTFY or editing my postings agrees to a US$50.00 charge
Ever been to a mechanic? Do you know how much they charge for hour? The one I go to charges $80/hour. Of course, they do a good job, and as far as I can tell, they don't charge me for more hours than they actually performed labor on my car. The key point is that they charge $80/hour. Why?
- Employee salaries
- Management salaries
- Owner's cut
- Building overhead
- Warranty margin (so that at an average failure rate, mistakes don't turn into a net loss)
- Profit margin
- "Discount" margin (for people who try to dicker the cost down)
- Coupon margin
- Oil change margin (they make zero profit from oil changes, so they have to make up for it elsewhere)
- Oops I screwed up margin (sometimes when a customer is really unhappy, you discount at least the whole labor charge)
- Insurance
They have a business to run. To do that, they have to charge you for parts and labor. Otherwise what's the point? Also, it's a needed service. People have cars that break, and not everyone knows how to fix their car.
At a repair shop, however, the technicians have to be licensed. They're professionals that went to a trade school and passed standardized tests to make sure they have at least a passing knowledge of what they're doing. Also, many mechanics I've met are enthusiasts who grew up in the field and work on their own cards on their own time.
Now, let's talk about Best Buy. They are a business. They need to make a profit. They also offer a valuable service, selling and repairing computers. As with cars, most of the customers are clueless and desperate to have their computer working again. They also expect to pay high margins for the services, because that's what they observe when they go to mechanics and have appliance repairmen come their houses. They grumble and go on with their lives. Meanwhile, Best Buy continues to make a profit and function as a business that employs people and offeres products and services that people demand.
One difference is that the technicians that Best Buy hires are not trained professionals. They're people hired off the street, and there is no training program or educational requirement. There are training materials, but they're not given time on the job to read them. The employees also make less money than mechanics, yet Best Buy charges more per hour for their services. They're also desperate to get business, so they offer gimmicks like this "tune-up service". There's also no liability, and the consumer protection laws that apply are the general ones, none specific to the field, dealing with specific problems that occur in the area. Thus, they can play on people's ignorance and get away with it. So, it is unethical and unfair, but the fact is, many people would be SoL were it not for Geek Squad.
(BTW, if you want to read about one horror story from a Geek Squad employee, check here: http://consumerist.com/2007/04/insider-secrets-5-ways-best-buy-ruined-geek-squad.html#comments-content)
How is the parent comment "Funny"? It's TRUE.
I guess things can be both true and funny, but this deserves some Informative points.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
This is why you always pay for things like computers with a credit card.
Any tips on how to negotiate an increase in the credit limit with my bank? Though I have plenty in a checking account, there are things I want to buy on a credit card but I'd go over the limit from one item and the sales tax even without any extra Best Buy "services".
He's been fixing peoples' computers for years, and this is the best solution he came up with, so I trust it.
I bet Best Buy "Optimizes" the computers that are returned so they don't have to sell them as open box. Not only do they get to sell them as new they even get to tack on forty dollars.
"Yes, you might also be able to disable some services and squeeze out a couple extra cycles, but how much does it matter these days?" - by nine-times (778537) on Monday January 04, @05:03PM (#30647024) Homepage
Really? Ok: How about 31++% differences to the good then (or more in some cases) in scores on benchmarks, as a single example I will put out testimonials of here for then (& from guys that DO know about system tweaking, albeit MORE on the hardware o/c'ing side, until I showed them the "ins & outs" of how it's done OS & software side)?
E.G.-> Back in mid to late 2006, I used to belong to a heavy "overclockers & tweakers" site, to learn how to 'tweak' my systems' CPU & memory (I knew how to do INTEL stuff, but I had never done AMD before & @ that time I bought an AMD X2 4800+ & needed to know how it was done, so I went there (the person who codes GPU-z owns the site, by the by)):
Folks on BOTH the AquaMark & ScienceMark 2 benchmarks weren't able to move any higher, until I showed them about tuning services, thus (for both the test & less radical services trimming for permanent settings, once they figured out what they needed for daily usage in services, & what they did not):
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?s=9982b11a50f22908d624e447d1148ea5&t=16136&highlight=Sciencemark
THE RESULTS? Ok, take a read from just 1 of many there (Like 31++% boosts in scores):
"Just thinkin ,b>the first time i ran sciencemark2 i got 1200 points, just goes to show how much fiddling with ram timings and taskmanager helps, a whole 377ish points increase" - from TechPowerUp.com user Mandelore, after tuning out services & background processes for the "ScienceMark 2" benchmark contest -> http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?p=140138#post140138
"You're much more likely to break something than to effect significant performance improvements." - by nine-times (778537) on Monday January 04, @05:03PM (#30647024) Homepage
That's a statement from someone who hasn't "done their homework" & read what each service does... because, you can say what you wish & all you like, but... I can show otherwise & have, above.
By the by:
I actually wrote the FIRST "Security & Speedup guide" for Windows (1997-2001 -> http://www.neowin.net/news/main/01/11/29/apk-a-to-z-internet-speedup--security-text for NTCompatible.com (& that's Neowin's "take" on it, an excellent rating no less)...
AND, which is now carried forward to today & does well here & elsewhere online (mostly on security now though, because that IS the "bigger problem" out here nowadays) to the tune of over 250,000++ views online, being made an "Essential Guide" or "Sticky/Pinned" thread, or "most viewed" or "5/5 star rated" etc. et al on 15/20 forums it is on (Search "HOW TO SECURE Windows 2000/XP" online, & you'll see it "owns" the top spot & top 50-100 in fact) -> http://www.tcmagazine.com/forums/index.php?s=b35dfec0da75d7dab52dab8b321d373e&showtopic=2662
AND?
It works... A testimonial of its results also? Here is one:
http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28430
PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:
"...recently, months ago when you finally got this guide done, had authorization to try this on simple work station for kids. My client, who paid me an
I used to run an in-store tech department, back in the day when we wore black shirts and were "Techs" not "Geeks." I never had a moment's pause about selling my customer a $9.99 set-up service or $29.99 optimization. We gave a good service for the money, and spent quite a bit of time helping the customer learn a bit about their new computer. Which, for them, was a very big deal.
The customer was paying for 10 minutes of my time -- and the 15+ years of experience that let me do a job in 10 minutes that would have taken them four hours of reading directions and waiting on hold.
The biggest mistake is assuming a service isn't worth good money to the general public just because it's easy and fun for you.
I'm sure they just didn't know how to run 3dmark- Everyone knows Best Buy has the real experts! Even better than Apple Geniuses I hear... Ho Hum- And to think, I actually went to school to get a degree in this stuff, What a waste of time.
"Computers are a lot like Air Conditioners" "They both work great until you start opening Windows"
The last time I looked at notebook in best buy, and the sales kid gave me the spew about optimization I asked what they did. He told me they removed all the advertising crap. Which on some level might be useful, if I did not have a standard wipe all the crap of the drive policy and reinstall before using even new notebooks (i.e. upgrade to my favorite Linux distro).
In best buys defense, I did once buy a total piece of shit HP notebook from them that died a week after the HP warrenty expired ( the bios seems to have self-destructed ). I got suckered in to buying their 3 year "insurance" plan on my way out the door for like $150. I had it declared dead by an HP rep in a foreign country, and they sent me a check for $1300 with no BS. Even better I had bought it on sale for $700, and for some reason they paid me the full price. By the way they quit selling that insurance plan about a month after I bought it. It was obviously a little too good.
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You can't make a crap computer better by "optimizing" it. The best "optimization" in the world can only have minimal results on start up time of the system, it doesn't typically affect how fast or slow the system runs once it's turned on (unless it has 256M of RAM and you remove all of the start-up apps). Here's how you "optimize" your computer: -Get a random dual core proc (speed doesn't really matter) -Upgrade your RAM to at least 4G (This is 2010 for God sakes 4G is a bare minimum at this point). -Get a "cheap" SSD (for those that have never had one, you will be amazed at the difference).
Unless it has changed significantly in the last year, the Optimization consists of:
[1] All Windows updates*
[2] Registry tweaks
[3] Removing un-needed startup items
[4] Disabling un-needed services
[5] Remove vendor crapware, shortcuts, etc.
[6] Defrag the drive (some MFGs don't defrag before imaging)
*This is the key benefit, as many consumers STILL have dialup (and thus will immediately get poor internet performance as Windows Updates hogs all of the bandwidth) or just refuse to update.
reminds of the story about the roofer and the itemized bill...
nail ... .10
shingle... 2.99
knowing where to put the shingle and nail ... 399.00.
that's my optimization:
# make-kpkg --config menuconfig
works great for me! :)
3DMark is not a test of average desktop use profile.
I think it would be far more interesting to do a double-blind study, on users utilizing real-world applications, and determine speed difference for actual apps.
Or even, just use a benchmark that tests Office/Desktop apps, instead of just 3D/GPU performance.
Also, interesting would be to 'image' the system before taking it to be optimized...
Then image it again.
Do a complete comparison to determine exactly what was changed during the "optimization"
Registry settings, files, etc.
Determine if any changes were actually made, then go and investigate the merits of each change, with benchmarks taylored to highhlight any effects that change might have
They also have a TV calibration service where they send a technician to your house, place an optical sensor with a suction cup on the screen, connect up some calibration equipment to the TV and run a series of tests and claim to optimally configure your TV.
Most posts I've seen on the topic seem to be woefully uninformed and focus on the setup in the stores that is intended to show the difference between a calibrated and uncalibrated TV, which some reports claim is deceptive.
I've only seen one post that has a comment that mentions Imaging Science Certification and hints at what they're doing and why it's not something you can do yourself.
Does anybody out there have any better information on this service?
Signatures are a waste of bandwi (buffering...)
did anyone ever want to just go get a geek squad job in their free time and show them how to do it correctly?
Isn't getting your computer worked on starting to sound more and more like getting your car worked on? Ignorance sure is a bought and paid for thing.
I worked at Best Buy for 7 years, starting in the tech service desk even before the GeekSquad moved in. We were on a daily basis old to walk customers who just wanted to buy the machines without any extras. For Thanksgiving we would prep most of our inventory on the Black Friday deals with about $80 of extra services that we wouldn't budge from selling if the customer didn't want it. Way it was figured was that somebody sooner or later would pick it up. Our tuneup consisted of deleting all the icons on the desktop, running a script that installed all of the latest updates, and loading a registry file that mostly just tweaked the Windows menu bar delays. It was a take it or leave it situation. Employees who couldn't keep up with it were reassigned to different departments or simply given fewer hours. Management would walk around with some sales spreadsheet they updated and printed every 20 minutes. If you were doing poorly, the Sales Manager would bitch you out. If you were doing well, you were ignored, temporarily. I was routinely told to bend my customers over the counter and take em' for all I could. Let's not even get into my supervisors habit of going through customer's documents. I had this older lady once that had a few gigabytes of photos and videos of her and her husband in bed and in different poses. My boss copied the directory and burned several dvds for a few employees. I helped her when she picked up the machine. It was tough looking at her with a straight face and with several employees snickering behind her. While I never participated in that behavior, I guess I should have spoken up. The discount was too great though and our bonuses were crazy.
Getting a 200% increase in processing speed is reasonable. Most home computers are full of malicious software running in the background, removing that is definitely a speed increase.
...and that is all I have to say about that.
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They forced this 'optimization' on a lot of us that bought laptops during Black Friday. I got a great deal on the laptop I bought, but had to cough up an extra $50 to buy it. If it wasn't for the fact the deal was still worth it, I wouldn't have gone with it and voted with my dollars.
I went back later that day, told the manager that he could either refund me the $50 extortion fee, or they could be charged my normal rate for fixing a computer to remove their optimizations. I had a bill in hand to fill out and hand to him if he said that they wouldn't refund the excess purchase. The upside: I got my money back, the downside: I had to spend an hour doing the system restore that came built into the laptop.
I had hoped he would have offered to pay me for my services to clean it. I would have gone through it step by step to remove what they had done, it might have been several hours, but it would have made my laptop free.
And for those that are wondering, yes it did make a difference. Using the default Sony load on my Vaio, the laptop is MUCH faster than it was with their 'optimized' services.
Then say no.
As a former employee at one of these big box retailers, I'll be the first to admit that if the salesman doesn't know what he's talking about, or the technicians aren't sufficiently skilled to do good work (and not just-skilled-enough to do real harm to your machine), then they have no business pushing these optimization services.
However, when I worked for this company, I took a lot of pride in being able to send someone home with a computer that worked out of the box for someone who was completely computer illiterate. The crowd on slashdot is far from the target audience on these "setup and configuration"/"optimization" services. But when you have to walk a person through how and when to use the left mouse button, perhaps the $50-100 is worth the money to get them past all the mumbo jumbo and into the heart of what they want to do: email and surf.
When I set up a computer, I did about 7 hours of work on it. I could set up 10 computers as quickly as 1, but that was how much time was invested into each machine (the majority being recovery media creation and windows updates, of course). For some people, even computer-savvy people, the $50 bucks is worth their afternoon babysitting a paperweight. I was constantly refining the techniques I applied on different model computers. Acer's not having Java preinstalled, HP computers with broken-out-of-the-box toolbars that caused worrisome error messages, Toshiba's with firmware that caused their fans to run at 100% regardless of CPU utilization.
If I could send my relatives to a store to get a computer and knew they'd get the service I used to provide, I'd pay the $50 myself to make sure they got taken care of. In the right hands, these services can make sense, but they're not for everyone.
Don't want it? Do it yourself. But don't pretend they're holding you over a barrel, because only in the most extreme circumstances are they going to refuse a sale because you didn't pay for those value added services.
But why? Assuming you have access to a PC with a DVD drive, a USB port, and a 4GB or larger USB drive, you didn't need a USB DVD drive. Installing Windows from a USB stick is trivial:
I've never understood why most "Install Windows 7 from USB drive" tutorials on the web have so many extra, unnecessary steps. I've done this install on three different netbooks, across multiple installs on one (beta to RC to RTM), and have never had to do anything more than just copying the files to my USB key.
These "optimizations" are probably just registry tweaks to speed up the Windows' navigation menus. // Value Name: MenuShowDelay
[Start] [Run] [Regedit]
Registry Key: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop
Modify/Create the Value Data Type(s) and Value Name(s) as detailed below.
Data Type: String Value
Setting for Value Data: [Default = 400 / Adjust to Preference]
Exit Registry and Reboot
So you want to ride in your car with all the mechanics sliding smoothly.
How about Slide and Ride?
You delivery will be made in a plain jiffy bag.
Why anyone still shops in that dreadful shop is beyond me. Personally, I always go to http://www.dubli.com./ I guess they don't "do" computers, but when they're selling new ones so cheaply I think it's just better to get the latest and greatest anyway.
Thanks. Good post
Don't be apathetic. Procrastinate!
How can a national chain like Best Buy expect to continue to do this?
-If a consumer can't buy a product at the advertised price without being hit with an unwanted service fee, that's plainly 'bait-and-switch', and the AG should get involved.
-If the box has been opened, there's no way to tell if it was just BB to do the "optimization", or it's been returned by another customer. They should knock off the 15% restocking fee from the normal price.
-Any modifications of the factory state before the consumer gets it must be in violation of manufacturer contracts with the trial program publishers. I can almost hear the lawyers salivating...
-If the "optimization" doesn't actually improve the performance, but the consumer is told it's a 200% improvement, it will reflect badly on the manufacturer - HP, Sony, Acer, etc, will want to put a stop to that really quickly.
Bottom line, if you can't buy a factory sealed box at the advertised price, walk away and make a bunch of phone calls/emails.
The scam is in the time saved when you bring it back and they just reload all the copied files back unto your pc from a copy they made, and then keep doing that as part of the garantee is it will always run fast or bring it back to us free of charge. They tweak it a bit, making sure no malware exists, then they clone it.
I am sure the time saved is more on their end then yours, as you are an incompetent clod who can't even figure out how to configure your own pc, let alone figure out how to make backups for yourself.
"Thanks. Good post" - by Whiteox (919863) on Tuesday January 05, @08:03AM (#30653760)
See subject-line above, & thank you for your reply WhiteOx.
Mostly, I hope the parent poster takes a read of it & gets some information he can use from it, as well as others like yourself (though I wager most of you folks have been @ this kind of thing for ages yourselves also).
APK
P.S.=> Imo, having a PC (especially a "non 'state-of-the-art'" older one) is much like hotrodding a car: You can take what you have, & make it a bit better (albeit, @ no real cost to yourself, other than your time in experimenting really & hopefully via the guidance of those who have already done so, so you do not mess it up).
"OLD CHEVVIES NEVER DIE - THEY JUST GET FASTER..." as the saying goes with cars. Same with PC's, but, I think most of you guys know that newer hardware usually gets way, Way, WAY faster every 2-3 yrs. though, vs. the previous generation(s), especially those 2-3 yrs. older or more...
Still, I feel that it's more about "getting the most out of what you have", than trying to use even the heaviest "hardware hacks" (aside from liquid oxygen style super-cooling of components, which is NOT for everyone of course) or the best "software tweaks" to try to outrace state-of-the-art equipment though.
It's entirely "doable" & imo @ least? Worth doing (especially IF you are "low-on-your-dough")... &, it's amazing how much more "life" you can get out of a PC if you do so... &, imo @ least? It's kind of FUN to learn how to do so, as well!
(E.G.-> I tend to 'stretch' the life of my machines between 3-6 yrs. usually because of doing so & I avoid spending to some extent this way because of system 'tweaking & tuning')
So, that all "said & aside"? Well - I hope you folks do so as well (again, because it's worth doing I feel)... apk
It probably has something to do with the install DVD having files larger than 2GB on it. I have a copy of the 64bit Pro Edition, and it has a 2.7GB file on it, that's a no-go for for FAT32. Hence why the first guide I found on Google started off with telling you how to format the disk in NTFS (granted, in a rather roundabout way). Perhaps other editions are small enough to work?
Though I also don't understand how the BIOS would know how to boot off the USB drive without you don't something to make it bootable. However, I know some BIOS's can read FAT32 (since they support flashing the BIOS from an image file on a thumbdrive), so maybe they scan the thumbdrive and find the appropiate boot files anyway?
Many, MANY people are irritated because they think their computers run to slow (and they're probably right). This can be verified by looking at the headlines of the tabloids whenever nothing of interest has happened in the world: Make your PC FASTER in 10 MINUTES! The articles usually contain tips such as "close the Vista sidebar", "remove spyware programs", "update your drivers" and "defragment the drive". I suppose sometimes it even works, if you're not computer-savvy enough to do those things already.
Thing is, those articles show there's a demand. Making software that supposedly makes the computer faster is very smart business indeed. See it as the modern equivalent of snake oil salesmen and astrologers. Very few people are likely to complain - if you don't know enough about computers to recognize adware, you definitely won't install benchmarking software to test your computer's performance. A computer to them is as opaque and unintelligible as the human body must have been to the people of old who bought medicines that didn't work. Sadly, there's STILL a market for such medicines, astrology is still alive and kicking, and the computer speedup salesmen will probably be around for a long time.
As long as people are ignorant, they're going to be ripped off.
That may be true, but it's also somewhat irrelevant. 90% of these "install from USB drive" tutorials are focused directly at netbooks specifically because they don't have built-in optical drives and most people don't have external USB DVD drives they can plug in. As far as I'm aware, currently every netbook is 32-bit (certain Atom processors can run 64-bit, but those CPUs aren't currently shipped in netbooks), thus a 64-bit install doesn't really matter. It seems the 32-bit install does not have > 2GB files, as I've never had it complain copying to/installing from my FAT32-formatted USB key.
Modern bioses (especially those in netbooks, the target here) can read USB devices for booting purposes. You might have to change boot order if you have it default to your hard drive first. How the BIOSes read the USB drive in order to boot, I don't know. I just know it works.