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Building a Homemade Nuclear Reactor In NYC

yukk writes "Mark Suppes, a web developer for Gucci, is working on his own personal fusion reactor. His work in a NYC warehouse using $35,000 of his own money and $4,000 raised on a website has made him the 38th independent researcher recognized as creating a working fusion reactor. How's that for a hobby?"

219 comments

  1. Neat by nametaken · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is really cool. Though I'd guess that the neighbors will be up-in-arms soon, even if you tell them it's completely safe.

    1. Re:Neat by Dyinobal · · Score: 4, Funny

      We all saw spiderman 2.

    2. Re:Neat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      We all saw spiderman 2.

      And we all want the 2 hours of our life back.

    3. Re:Neat by Jogar+the+Barbarian · · Score: 1

      If it weren't for Alfred Molina, there'd be no reason at all to see that movie.

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    4. Re:Neat by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          Actually, some of us skipped it. Maybe I'll catch it when it comes on TV in 10 years. It was 2 hours spent very well elsewhere. :)

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    5. Re:Neat by tsalmark · · Score: 3, Funny

      There seems to be a lot of humor impaired moderators this week.

    6. Re:Neat by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

      I'm sure it is reasonably safe, but why should the neighbors take the guy's word for it? It looks to me like a complex piece of high energy equipment. Does his insurer know how to classify the risk ?

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    7. Re:Neat by Buelldozer · · Score: 4, Funny

      Up in arms? Like perhaps EIGHT arms?

    8. Re:Neat by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 3, Funny

      insert ghost busters reference about unlicensed nuclear devices strapped to our backs.....

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    9. Re:Neat by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      We all saw spiderman 2.

      And we all want the 2 hours of our life back.

      Meh. I think it's one of the better superhero movies out there.

    10. Re:Neat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here's your Ghost Busters reference at XKCD.

    11. Re:Neat by phoenixwade · · Score: 1

      I don't think you're strapping THAT to your back, unless you're the Stay-Puft marshmallow man, in which case we have to classify you as a fire hazard, but the nuclear accelerator is fine....

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    12. Re:Neat by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      and the obligatory reference to DeLorean's

    13. Re:Neat by Tekfactory · · Score: 2, Funny

      Obviously his insurer needs to know it cost him $35k when some yahoos decide to grab his fusion machine after they read about it.

      This would explain why SOME DIY Fusors cost hundreds of dollars, but this one costs $35k, its a Gucci.

    14. Re:Neat by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      We all saw spiderman 2.

      And we all want the 2 hours of our life back.

      Meh. I think it's one of the better superhero movies out there.

      Which isn't saying much.

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    15. Re:Neat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's really cool is that now he can be off the grid and can grow pot plants without the electric company seeing a spike in his electrical usage and notifying the pigs. I think I'll get one as well.

    16. Re:Neat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What idiot voted this shit "Informative"? What is this informing anyone of? BTW... any post that is comprised of only a weak parenthetical expression alluding to something almost completely unrelated... should not get a 3, or an informative. (Nuclear reactors and accelerators are not the same things. What are you guys fucking retarded?

    17. Re:Neat by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      you know, when i saw the moderation message, i thought the same damn thing. 'wtf informative? it was a weak joke, not an intellectual milestone....'

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    18. Re:Neat by seanvaandering · · Score: 1

      And we all want the 2 hours of our life back.

      No problem, this nuclear reactor which will undoubtedly be powering your time machine, you can now get those 2 hours back :)

      /This post won't exist in the future.

    19. Re:Neat by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      I dunno if it counts as a superhero movie but I liked Kick Ass.

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    20. Re:Neat by MoonBuggy · · Score: 1

      It's not a fusor, it's a polywell reactor.

    21. Re:Neat by anotherdjohnson · · Score: 1

      No, only six arms/legs they are standing on the other two!

    22. Re:Neat by krenshala · · Score: 1

      actually, no. the one in the article is a "normal" gridded fusor. he hasn't gotten the magrid for the polywell built yet ...

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    23. Re:Neat by Roskolnikov · · Score: 1

      up in arms, get it? arms.

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    24. Re:Neat by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

      Yes. Maybe he could have saved Spiderman 3, too.

    25. Re:Neat by Americium · · Score: 1

      Fusion reactors create Tritium, and thats not safe at all! the headline made me think it wa fission and energy positive

    26. Re:Neat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And use the waste to create super mutant plants that glow in the dark and trim and roll themselves!!!!

  2. Simply a Fusor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A Fusor, while not cheap, is not new. This isn't a breakthrough. It's surely interesting, but barely news.

    1. Re:Simply a Fusor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      yeah, slashdot needs to stop posting this DIY crap. Even if it is interesting and nerdy it has no place here. We need to get back to politics and rants about the RIAA!

    2. Re:Simply a Fusor by Kopachris · · Score: 5, Informative

      Agreed. There are at least 25 people who've done it, maybe a lot more. Here's a guide to the whole process if you want to do it yourself: http://brian-mcdermott.com/fusion_is_easy.htm

    3. Re:Simply a Fusor by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      its not just any fusor though.
      It was created by Philo T. Farnsworth.

      I wonder if he also said "Good news, everyone..."

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    4. Re:Simply a Fusor by Cillian · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Indeed, at our engineering department a student society just had one sitting on a table in a corner and didn't mention it, as though it was a completely normal thing to have around.

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    5. Re:Simply a Fusor by Gilmoure · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't you mean Apple? The government needs to break them up for all their anti-competative behavior. You can't expect the invisible hand of the market to do anything with a company that makes such cool products.

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    6. Re:Simply a Fusor by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Damn it! Now I have his voice stuck in my head. My inner monolog is going to sound really weird today.

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    7. Re:Simply a Fusor by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Personally, I don't even see the point of making one, when it costs so much. They've been around since Farnsworth invented them, and they don't really do anything useful unless you need a neutron source. How many hobbyists need a neutron source?

      There's a lot better ways to spend your hobbyist time and money. Build a CNC machine instead, for instance. You can then use that to build other interesting things.

    8. Re:Simply a Fusor by w0mprat · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well it is. People only noticed mine when I connected it to my NAS.

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    9. Re:Simply a Fusor by yukk · · Score: 1

      Agreed. There are at least 25 people who've done it, maybe a lot more. Here's a guide to the whole process if you want to do it yourself: http://brian-mcdermott.com/fusion_is_easy.htm

      My god, you're a genius. TFS even states he's the 38th and according to the article one of them was a janitor.

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    10. Re:Simply a Fusor by Teancum · · Score: 2, Interesting

      After sinking your teeth into a fusor, perhaps you can try to tackle a Polywell fusion device as the next step. While a few dozen or more people have built fusors, the number who have gone after the Polywell devices is certainly quite a bit less.

      Of course the tough part of the Polywell devices is the theoretical work that Robert Bussard did to come up with the idea and the raw research being done right now to get the concept working. Supposedly the eighth version of this reactor design has been built and demonstrated by now (with continuing work on the effort), but the research team has yet to report back on the results. If the design works out, the U.S. Navy is interested in potentially using the design for nuclear powered submarines and carriers (why this has naval funding) but it is also useful for pure atomic energy research as well.

      As for a hobbyist using a neutron source..... that could get scary for other reasons as a reliable neutron source can be used to transmute heavy metals. While not something in an of itself nasty some kid might be able to get a reaction or two with some interesting metals to get some really fun radioactive isotopes.

    11. Re:Simply a Fusor by fishexe · · Score: 1

      yeah, slashdot needs to stop posting this DIY crap...We need to get back to politics and rants about the RIAA!

      Don't forget the MPAA. We need to include both so we can confuse Jack Valenti with Hilary Rosen.
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  3. fusioneers by Verdatum · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've worked with a couple of these people online before. Depending on where you mark the threshhold, there are a few more fusion hobbyists than most people would think. They're good to talk to because they are some of the few hobbyists playing with high vacuum technology (which interests me for the purpose of vacuum metalization, aka evaporative deposition).

  4. Wiki link to Farnsworth fusor by thomasdz · · Score: 4, Informative

    (yeah, yeah, I know...never trust anything on Wikipedia... but it's still a good reference starting point)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor

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    1. Re:Wiki link to Farnsworth fusor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, yeah, I know...never trust anything on Wikipedia

      Do people really still say this?

    2. Re:Wiki link to Farnsworth fusor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm confused. Can we trust that Wikipedia is a good starting point or not?

    3. Re:Wiki link to Farnsworth fusor by vtcodger · · Score: 1

      ***yeah, yeah, I know...never trust anything on Wikipedia

        Do people really still say this?***

      Of course they do. We are not close to Peak Tinfoil which remains much in demand for headgear amongst certain segments of the population.

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    4. Re:Wiki link to Farnsworth fusor by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Disturbingly yes,

      While walking amongst my fellow techy geeks, this sort of talk is usually promptly squashed or a heated debate takes place and the smackdown cometh.
      But out in the "real world" with people like the suits, the poor D&D guys, street people, and office drones, a lot of them still think the idea of publicly aggregated knowledge to be silly. Hell, a lot of street people barely know computers exist much less wikipedia.

    5. Re:Wiki link to Farnsworth fusor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know! I've found a similar and more informative article from an entity that doesn't even take itself seriously.

      http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Cold_fusion

  5. Yes, but... by sv_libertarian · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can it run on garbage yet?

    1. Re:Yes, but... by mrops · · Score: 3, Funny

      or will it run Linux....

    2. Re:Yes, but... by arielCo · · Score: 1

      That'd be too easy

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    3. Re:Yes, but... by vtcodger · · Score: 4, Funny

      Of course it will run Linux. But you will have to modify fstab, short pin 22 to ground when booting, and recompile the kernel.

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    4. Re:Yes, but... by kungfugleek · · Score: 1
      Mod parent redundant.

      Zingggg! I kid, I kid.

    5. Re:Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..but can it run Crysis?

    6. Re:Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can it run on garbage yet?

      Only if you modify the flux capacitor on the delorian..... can we all remember the 80's....

    7. Re:Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah so it will run Gentoo Linux...

    8. Re:Yes, but... by GNUThomson · · Score: 1

      Let's hope it runs Linux already. You don't want to see BSOD on that one. On the other hand, it won't be blue, take much more than the whole screen and there will be nobody around to complain.

    9. Re:Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That will be Gentoo then ...

    10. Re:Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... will it blend?!

  6. You can do it for a lot less... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can do it for a lot less if you have access to manufacturing like cad/cam software and machining centers. You also need to add a lot of electricity to sustain a reaction so getting a deal on some electrical components help too.

    Very cool that he did it! I wonder if you get a t-shirt or something.

  7. But... by Minwee · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does it run on banana peels? That would really be something.

  8. I am disappointed by Plazmid · · Score: 2, Funny

    that it isn't a Hahn configuration tritium moderated fission reactor.

    1. Re:I am disappointed by Dmala · · Score: 1

      Holy crap, I missed the 2007 update to this story. The dude's turned into the Trashcan Man. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299362,00.html

  9. what could possibly go wrong ? :) by Antity-H · · Score: 0, Troll

    "How's that for a hobby ?"

    "Dangerous"

    1. Re:what could possibly go wrong ? :) by mea37 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And what, exactly, makes you think it's dangerous? If you're going to call it dangerous, you should be able to lay out a plausible failure scenario that shows the risk; do you know enough about the devices these guys are building to do that, or are you just afraid of anything that uses the word "nuclear"?

    2. Re:what could possibly go wrong ? :) by colesw · · Score: 2, Funny

      NUCLEAR IS SCARY!!!

    3. Re:what could possibly go wrong ? :) by Chih · · Score: 1

      It's Nukular!

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    4. Re:what could possibly go wrong ? :) by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      And what, exactly, makes you think it's dangerous?

      Maybe the neutrons that get generated by the reactor and get absorbed by the reactor housing, eventually making it radioactive enough that proper disposal is necessary, together with the fact that this project is probably not being monitored closely enough to make sure that proper disposal happens.

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    5. Re:what could possibly go wrong ? :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he meant it as a humor. He's a programmer (at least a hobbyist), which means he probably understood computers, technology, and science in general.

    6. Re:what could possibly go wrong ? :) by JWSmythe · · Score: 2, Funny

        There are a lot of things I'd worry about. The biggest, if he did make it work (the article didn't say it worked, just that he was trying, which makes it non-news), would be the risk of fire. Ok, so you built a nuclear reactor in your apartment. Did you use sufficient gauge wiring when hooking up everything in your apartment, or are there small gauge extension cords run all over the place? :)

          There are plenty of other things to worry about, but they'd be completely project unrelated. Like, waking up in the middle of the night feeling your girlfriend tickling your leg, and then finding out it's a roach. :)

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    7. Re:what could possibly go wrong ? :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fusion reactors still give off radiation. It is a common misconception that they are completely safe. If you're an idiot and do not use proper shielding, you can kill yourself.

    8. Re:what could possibly go wrong ? :) by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      Maybe the neutrons that get generated by the reactor and get absorbed by the reactor housing, eventually making it radioactive enough that proper disposal is necessary

      I could be wrong about this, but I think the fast neutrons generated by Farnsworth-type devices will go right through anything this guy is likely to have in his apartment. They won't hang around long enough to create significant amounts of heavy (i.e. radioactive) isotopes, and the flux won't be intense enough to do any damage while the machine is turned on. Again, this is just something I think I remember from reading up on the matter years ago, so take that FWIW.

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    9. Re:what could possibly go wrong ? :) by Linux_ho · · Score: 1

      I could be wrong about this, but I think the fast neutrons generated by Farnsworth-type devices will go right through anything this guy is likely to have in his apartment. They won't hang around long enough to create significant amounts of heavy (i.e. radioactive) isotopes,

      I would agree with this part.

      and the flux won't be intense enough to do any damage while the machine is turned on.

      This part might be an unwarranted assumption. Neutron radiation can cause adverse biological effects at much lower levels than alpha or beta radiation.

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    10. Re:what could possibly go wrong ? :) by mea37 · · Score: 1

      I think you're misunderstanding the spirit of this exercise.

      If you want me to believe you "know" something that shows this type of device is dangerous, then you're going to need to provide a citation.

      If you can't show that the type of device he's building has the problem you're talking about, then you're just spreading FUD over all thigns nuclear. Do you know what kind of device he's building, so that perhaps you at least have the search keywords to use in supporting your claim; or is "it's nuclear" the only fact you have?

    11. Re:what could possibly go wrong ? :) by rockNme2349 · · Score: 1

      And then you wake up from that dream and remember that you don't have a girlfriend. You spend most of your free time in your apartment building a fusor.

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    12. Re:what could possibly go wrong ? :) by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 1

      This part might be an unwarranted assumption. Neutron radiation can cause adverse biological effects at much lower levels than alpha or beta radiation.

      The first part implies the second part. If the neutrons don't interact with matter, then that must also include biological matter, right?

    13. Re:what could possibly go wrong ? :) by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          It's a good thing that I:

      1) Don't have a fusor, and have no intention of building one.

      2) Do have a girlfriend who does tickle my leg when I'm sleeping when she wants something. ... and ...

      3) No roaches. :)

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    14. Re:what could possibly go wrong ? :) by fishexe · · Score: 1

      ...or are you just afraid of anything that uses the word "nuclear"?

      Oh my GOD! I just heard there are "nuclear forces" in every atom in my body! Do you know how many atoms that is? It's like, a billion! Even worse, a million! Or a million billion! Do you know what that means? My body can blow up the ENTIRE WORLD! I'm a walking nuclear BOMB!

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    15. Re:what could possibly go wrong ? :) by fishexe · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of other things to worry about, but they'd be completely project unrelated. Like, waking up in the middle of the night feeling your girlfriend tickling your leg, and then finding out it's a roach. :)

      You think that's unrelated to being nerdy enough to work on this project?

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    16. Re:what could possibly go wrong ? :) by merockstar · · Score: 1

      "I know! We could just throw toilet water on it!"

  10. fallout by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uhhh! I know! I know! Link it to a fridge!
    Best source for Nuka Cola and Roetgen Beer!
    ( by the way.. even my verification picture for this comment said "cooked" )

  11. Re:Uh Typo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No.

  12. Didn't end well for the last person who did this. by Aluminum+Tuesday · · Score: 3, Interesting
  13. I think by ack_call · · Score: 2, Funny

    somebody must have already done this in my neighbourhood as it's already overrun with mutants.

  14. The Future. by Random+Luck · · Score: 1

    Can you mount one on the back of a DeLorean?

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  15. movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    remember this?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manhattan_Project_%28film%29

  16. Re:And how is he not in jail? by JSBiff · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He's not making a bomb, he's making a fusion device. A very lower power, low-yield fusion device.

    It can create some neutron radiation, but the device is so low power that the radiation is rather negligible.

  17. Re:Didn't end well for the last person who did thi by Cillian · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's fission, they really are pretty different. On a hobby level, fission consists of lots of playing with radioactive things and all that. Fusion consists of putting some gas in a box, turning it on, putting a whole lot of power in and ending up with a different gas in the box.

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  18. This get's picked up every couple of years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The site you want to visit is www.fusor.net. He got the idea from this site. Spending $35K on this is really high. Most guys make there fusor for around couple $2k-$5K.Some do it for a couple of hundred dollars. It's all in how you scrounge for parts. I wish him luck, but he needs better scrounging skills.

    1. Re:This get's picked up every couple of years... by LoRdTAW · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Its all the high vac stuff that gets expensive and time consuming, its a real pain in the ass. Good backing pumps and high vac pumps (like Diffusion or Turbomoleculer pumps) are tough to come by for cheap unless you are willing to rebuild them. I bought three smaller diffusion pumps off eBay for another experiment and let me tell you its not an easy task finding parts for a $20 nondescript pump you bought off ebay. Then your need vacuum valves to control the pump down process. First you need to rough the chamber and wait for the pressure to drop to about 4E-2 Torr and then keep it there to remove as much vapor as you possibly can. then close the roughing valve and then open the forline valve to pull the back of your high vac pump down and then open the main valve which exposes the high vac pump to the chamber. Those vacuum parts alone can cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Also given the fact that high vacuum fittings like Kf or CF elbows, flex pipes, tees etc can cost $50-$100 each! I applaud him for throwing that much money at the problem, he looks like he built a nice fusor with the right parts the first time so he isn't spending hours trying to figure out why he cant pull a vacuum below the -3's (Torr).

      Its fun trying to iron out vacuum leaks! Especially without a $20,000+ helium leak detector. But a little vacuum grease on the KF O rings and making sure you tightened your CF flanges properly should help eliminate your problems.

      I was trying to build a small electron beam welder for fun. I work on them for a living now so it looked like a nice little project but its not easy or cheap. As of now its a half assembled pile of parts because I cant afford to keep throwing money at it. The 3HP Stokes Microvane (55CFM) alone cost me 550 bucks. And that was a lucky find, don tthink the seller knew what he had. And it needs a rebuild because it cant pull lower than 7E-1 Torr. I also need good vacuum gauges (dial gauges arent much help below a few Torr, and the old Hastings I got from work are not that reliable), Hastings makes real nice ones, have them at work but they cost about a grand for the low-med vac gauges (1E-4 Torr) and I believe 1500+ for the one that goes all the way to ultra high vac (good to 1E-10 Torr).

      Anyone who puts this kind of time, money and effort in to their hobby is a real dedicated person. My hats off to you Mr. Suppes.

    2. Re:This get's picked up every couple of years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tl;dr

      Please post a how-to with numbered steps.

    3. Re:This get's picked up every couple of years... by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 1

      People with attention-span deficit disorder shouldn't play with radioactive stuff.

    4. Re:This get's picked up every couple of years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "First you need to rough the chamber and wait for the pressure to drop to about 4E-2 Torr and then keep it there to remove as much vapor as you possibly can. then close the roughing valve and then open the forline valve to pull the back of your high vac pump down and then open the main valve which exposes the high vac pump to the chamber."

      Ah, so its just like making love. I understand it now. Thank you.

    5. Re:This get's picked up every couple of years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      700mT on a Stokes would probably be either a leak at the drive shaft or a badly scored piston wall. The shaft seal is a pretty easy, if expensive, replacement operation if you've worked with bearings before. The piston walls are a pain to access, but JB Weld in the gouge is a cheap and quick fix.

  19. he works for gucci? by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Funny

    i know everyone is freaked out about the military thoecracy of iran and the cult of personality of north korea with nukes, and that nuclear technology will inevitably trickle down to smaller and smaller states: suriname, east timor, vanuatu... and then factional organizations: al qaeda, FARC, doctors without borders, make a wish foundation, girl scouts...

    but when fashion designers have their hands on nuclear technology, i think we can pretty much declare the effort to contain nuclear technology over, and just start writing the epitaph for civilization. we're doomed

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    1. Re:he works for gucci? by geekoid · · Score: 2, Funny

      The idea of fashion designers pretty much means we're doomed.

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    2. Re:he works for gucci? by The+Redster! · · Score: 1

      A New Clear Fashion Reaction?

    3. Re:he works for gucci? by KenSeymour · · Score: 2, Interesting

      An oldie but goodie from Tom Lehrer:

      First we got the bomb, and that was good,
      'Cause we love peace and motherhood.
      Then Russia got the bomb, but that's okay,
      'Cause the balance of power's maintained that way.
      Who's next?

      France got the bomb, but don't you grieve,
      'Cause they're on our side (I believe).
      China got the bomb, but have no fears,
      They can't wipe us out for at least five years.
      Who's next?

      Then Indonesia claimed that they
      Were gonna get one any day.
      South Africa wants two, that's right:
      One for the black and one for the white.
      Who's next?

      Egypt's gonna get one too,
      Just to use on you know who.
      So Israel's getting tense.
      Wants one in self defense.
      "The Lord's our shepherd," says the psalm,
      But just in case, we better get a bomb.
      Who's next?

      Luxembourg is next to go,
      And (who knows?) maybe Monaco.
      We'll try to stay serene and calm
      When Alabama gets the bomb.
      Who's next?
      Who's next?
      Who's next?
      Who's next?

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    4. Re:he works for gucci? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      but when fashion designers have their hands on nuclear technology, i think we can pretty much declare the effort to contain nuclear technology over, and just start writing the epitaph for civilization. we're doomed

      Oh come on, how else is Edna Mode going to make all of those cool suits for The Incredibles?

      No Capes!!

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  20. Re:Didn't end well for the last person who did thi by compro01 · · Score: 2, Informative

    He tried to build a fission reactor. This is a fusion reactor.

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  21. Reactions by Wowsers · · Score: 4, Informative

    That money would sure buy a lot of smoke alarms (a legendary story). ...... Kids, don't try this.

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  22. Re:Uh Typo by bami · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, Fission involves the process of heavy (unstable, usually something like Uranium) element decaying into a lighter element and some radiation, where the radiation is used to generate electricity.
    This is a proper fusion reactor, as it uses electricity to join (light, usually some form of hydrogen, be it H2 or H3) atoms together, releasing neutrons in the process from which you can generate electricity.

    Problem with fusion reactors is that the input (electricity used to join the atoms) is usually bigger then the output, so it's not viable yet as a power source, but when it is figured out, you have a clean power source that uses light elements to produce slightly heavier elements with no radioactive by-products.

  23. Re:Didn't end well for the last person who did thi by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, Hahn didn't do this - He created a fission reactor. (Which, IMO, makes him deserve far more credit because fission is dangerous and far harder to get the materials for.)

    Basic fusion is easy with the Farnsworth Fusor design. The problem is that it's not a useful design for anything but low-yield neutron generation for experiments - it can't generate power due to operating nowhere close to breakeven and, if I recall correctly, with quite a bit of physics saying that such a design will never be able to achieve breakeven at any scale.

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  24. Re:Didn't end well for the last person who did thi by John+Hasler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > Actually, Hahn didn't do this - He created a fission reactor.

    No he didn't. A pile of radioactive scrap is not a reactor.

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  25. Nukular - it's pronounced nu-ku-lar by Rogerborg · · Score: 0

    Scientists say ["nuclear"] devices like Mr Suppes' pose no real threat to neighbouring communities or the environment because they contain no nuclear materials, such as uranium or plutonium.

    Attention hadrons: you are not welcome here!

    Yes, I know they meant "radioactive", but it's a bit rich to publish folksy "We don't take kindly to your new fangled 'science' round these parts" vox-pop quotes when you can't even get the single most significant safety aspect of fusion vs fission right yourself.

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    1. Re:Nukular - it's pronounced nu-ku-lar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet sit and watch all the Ignorant morons kneejerk post about doom and bombs.
        Nuclear Energy is the only kind of energy that will do for us in the long term - global economic forces can not and will not stop fossil fuels - the cheapest alternative will always win. LFTR is that cheap alternative.

      But it works and is scientifically dull - with Bussard reactors one could fly to the moon for a weekend getaway.
      Way cooler. Bussard Reactors FTW!

    2. Re:Nukular - it's pronounced nu-ku-lar by jdgeorge · · Score: 1

      This is not a direct quote of the anonymous scientists, this is just crappy writing from the journalist. In other words, it's not the scientists who can't get it right, it's the idiot writing about it.

    3. Re:Nukular - it's pronounced nu-ku-lar by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      Thus my taking issue with the publisher, not the scientists. Fair point though, I should have elided the first two words. You win an Internets.

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  26. Cool, but pretty easy to do by Sqweegee · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Lots of people have made fusors, even high school students for science fairs.

    The article is really light on details, his setup looks far more complex than a basic fusor would need to be and I assume that's where he spent all the money. Getting good deals on things like used vacuum pumps you could probably do this for a couple of thousand. It's a neat hobby but fusors are far too inefficient to be used as anything other than a cheap neutron source, and even then only if you really up the voltage. Most make for a cool looking lamp.

  27. Re:Didn't end well for the last person who did thi by inerlogic · · Score: 0

    actually... yes it is... google "Travelling Wave Reactor"

  28. um, ok by Goldsmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a (non-amateur) physicist and former fusion researcher, I recommend putting in a deposit at a sperm bank for any man intending to do this.

    Contrary to popular belief, fusion does cause significant radiation.

    That said, this is pretty cool. It's too bad people like this don't go all the way and do physics professionally. Perhaps if advanced physics research paid as well as working for Gucci...

    1. Re:um, ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, any physicist knows and can prove with pen and pencil that the fusor is a waste of time and resources. Heck, everyone can build a pocket accelerator with a 1.5V battery.

      Physicists do get paid, but it's not an easy job and you don't always get to pick on what you are working on. But then physics makes science go (and mathematicians would argue the same thing about physics, but hey, it took them decades to figure out the Delta function that physicists invented for QM :P

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_delta_function

    2. Re:um, ok by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Just a thought, but wouldn't Fusion research be better performed on the moon where H3 is lot more plentiful? H3 isn't the size of small car, and all the test equipment that one sees appears to be for solving problems that apply to larger structures.

    3. Re:um, ok by RickyG · · Score: 1

      I always wondered why Gucci stuff was so expensive... Well, it might be that someone needs to get Mr. Obama to hire this man. If he can do something that the govenment has thrown billions at, and FUND it from the Rich people, he is a gold mine that the Treasury needs to learn to tap.

    4. Re:um, ok by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      Meh, I'm having a vasectomy tomorrow so this has all of the cool and none of the drawbacks.

      One of my friends owns a metal shop so I can get some nice looking parts made...

      Stay tuned, folks. I'll either end up on /. or in This is True.
           

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    5. Re:um, ok by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      Good luck with the nut cut!

    6. Re:um, ok by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      I'm having a vasectomy tomorrow ... One of my friends owns a metal shop so I can get some nice looking parts made

      Okay, that is a really disturbing juxtaposition of images.

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    7. Re:um, ok by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Probably, but that would require spending a lot of money to build a research station there and transport people and supplies there. Plus, we don't know much about the long-term effects of 1/6g on the human body. We know that 0g causes lots of problems over time, but we don't know about low gravity.

      With the way our nations don't want to spend any money on scientific research, but are happy to spend tons of money on military deployments and social welfare for people who don't want to work, I think you can forget about any moon bases any time soon. Your best bet is probably the Japanese. They don't spend much on defense, and I've never heard of them having much of a welfare system, plus they really love to spend money on abvanced robots, which could be really handy in space exploration.

    8. Re:um, ok by Goldsmith · · Score: 1

      I say go for it.

    9. Re:um, ok by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      I guess no one thought about wearing clothes and using tools that weigh 6x more when on the moon. It's troubling to see NASA run by those whose passion is troubled by looking up.

    10. Re:um, ok by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      I hadn't thought of that... but I was referring to Mr. Fusion. Wait, is that still ambiguous?

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    11. Re:um, ok by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Simply putting a bunch of lead weights on your back isn't going to simulate earth-normal gravity for your whole body. Yes, it might help keep your muscles in shape, but there's a lot more to your body than that. How is 1/6g going to affect all the systems inside the human body over a mission of perhaps several years? What would it do to your heart and circulatory system? What about your digestive system? It might not do anything, and a bunch of weights might be all that's needed to keep us in shape, but we don't know that yet. We do know, however, that keeping people in the microgravity of the space stations (Mir and ISS) for a long time causes severe bone problems, even with lots of strenuous daily exercise.

    12. Re:um, ok by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Maybe the Japanese have a point. Send Robots and lab animals first, then see what happens next. And when it comes to the human trials, I believe that a review of the history of New Orleans could be used as a guide line for qualified candidates.

    13. Re:um, ok by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      That might work for Japan, but it probably won't work for other places, especially the USA. Americans aren't willing to spend a lot of their tax money to send monkeys and robots to other moons and planets. You can get some relatively cheap missions (like the Mars Rovers), but you're not going to get any big Apollo-like missions without the glory of sending people. The taxpayers won't stand for it.

      I don't get your line about New Orleans. What do you mean? My understanding of its history was that it was taken over by several successive groups (Spanish, French, Americans), plus it was built on geologically unsound soil (which is forgivable since they didn't understand that stuff back in the 1600s).

  29. Re:Uh Typo by geekoid · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah! well you just wait until we hit peak light elements~

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  30. Re:And how is he not in jail? by boneclinkz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Im sorry how does one get away building a freaking unsafe amateur nuclear device IN NYC, I know he is an expert and all (you kinda have to be to develop a static web catalog) but Jesus

    last time I went up there, I couldn't carry a travel size tube of toothpaste and this dink is making a bomb in his basement

    Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the basic reaction of 99% of the population* when they read this story.

    *people who know precisely dick about physics

    This guy will be lucky if his neighbors don't lynch him. :(

  31. Re:If you call that web developing... by atrain728 · · Score: 1

    Should say
    if((Prototype.Browser.IE && (/MSIE 6\./.test(navigator.userAgent))))
    window.location = 'http://www.google.com/chrome'
    });

    FTFY

  32. Re:Uh Typo by bickerdyke · · Score: 1, Interesting

    But what happens to the neutrons? Wouldnt that be something similar than beta-rays?

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  33. Re:Uh Typo by Dishevel · · Score: 2, Informative

    By no radioactive by-products we are ignoring the walls of the torus which do become radioactive and do need to be replaced.

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  34. put it in a car that can go 88MPH! by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    put it in a car that can go 88MPH!

  35. Re:Uh Typo by newcastlejon · · Score: 1

    I didn't see a torus, it looks like a fusor in the article. They still produce neutrons, but the issue isn't the shape of the device or the confinement method it's the fuel you use. Not every reaction produces neutron radiation; if for example we can get a useful p+11B (hydrogen + boron-11) device we'll have a pretty plentiful fuel source and helium coming out of the exhaust pipe.

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  36. look at the man's face by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.google.com/images?q=david+hahn

    what that is is kaposi's sarcoma

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaposi's_sarcoma

    if you need a hobby, radioactive materials is not your best choice

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    1. Re:look at the man's face by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      However, you'll notice that the second article you cite says that Kaposi's Sarcoma is a cancerous tumor due to a virus called Human herpesvirus 8 (HHV8). Most famously, it's associated with HIV/AIDS, but not exclusively.

      HHV-8 is responsible for all varieties of KS.

      So, no radiation there.

      I'm not sure that anything in the wiki link supports the notion that radiation is the cause of that rather disturbing picture. There's more there to infer that he's HIV+ (or at least has an infection which also opportunistically infects HIV+ people since I don't want to speculate).

      Now, it could be radiation suppressed his immune system, and he contracted HHV8. Or it's not KS, but is radiation related.

      Of course, I'm not a doctor, lawyer, nuclear scientist, biologist, or expert in communicable diseases ... so take all I say with a grain of salt. I just recognized KS from the 80's when they were still trying to figure out WTF was killing people before they even had a name for HIV, and KS was one of the first things they identified.

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  37. Am I wrong or... by Robert+Zenz · · Score: 1

    ...or is a 'nuclear reactor' quiet different from a 'fusion reactor'?

    1. Re:Am I wrong or... by BobMcD · · Score: 1

      ...or is a 'nuclear reactor' quiet different from a 'fusion reactor'?

      Fission and fusion reactors are both operating on the nuclear level, so I don't really see a conflict here.

    2. Re:Am I wrong or... by camperdave · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, they are quite different. One is a super-category, and one is a sub-category. Like vehicle and car. All cars are vehicles, but not all vehicles are cars. Similarly, all fusion reactors are nuclear reactors, but not all nuclear reactors are fusion reactors.

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    3. Re:Am I wrong or... by Robert+Zenz · · Score: 1

      Ahhh, I see, thank you.

  38. No, it's a polywell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's an polywell in fact: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywell

    1. Re:No, it's a Polywell by thomasdz · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected...thanks. If Slashdot would allow me to move my +5 Informative from my post to yours, I would.

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    2. Re:No, it's a polywell by GamEmpire · · Score: 0

      No, he talks about a polywell in the article, as thats what he wants to eventually fund and build. Its most definitely a Fusor. But what he built is a single grid fusor. You can tell by the electrode/plasma toward the bottom of the article. Trust me, I'm the Washington, DC fusioneer with a reactor 7 blocks from the whitehouse.

    3. Re:No, it's a polywell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, It's [i]not[/i] a polywell. It's a fusor he's building so has the experience to build a polywell.

  39. Re:Uh Typo by DrKnark · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Beta-rays" means electrons and positrons. These are light charged particles. Neutrons are heavy and neutral.

    That being said, being in a high neutron flux for any length of time can be harmful to a human.

    Of course this is handled with shielding. And I believe in any serious fusion reactor breeder blankets (not sure which material) are put in place, which absorb neutrons to generate lithium. Lithium is required for the D-T reaction.
    Since I'm no expert in fusion I'm sure someone else can give a more precise answer.

  40. Re:Uh Typo by mog007 · · Score: 1

    Beta particles are high energy electrons, not neutrons. And so long as you don't swallow a beta emitter, you're not going to get hurt from beta particles.

  41. Spiderman by thatskinnyguy · · Score: 1

    Didn't Dr. Octopus do this? You see how that turned out.

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  42. Re:Uh Typo by buback · · Score: 1

    it's not a tokamak. there is no torus. There are neutrons, which will make something radioactive, eventually, but it'll take a while at the rate a device like this produces neutrons.

  43. Re:Uh Typo by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

    The walls are damaged by the neutron emission, but not all radiation damage results in the material becoming radioactive. The induced radioactivity in the walls of the reactor is much less significant than it simply becoming brittle. That's the reason why it needs to be replaced.

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  44. No, it's a Polywell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's actually a Polywell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywell

    [I maybe have posted it before, but it didn't show up because I've blocked that "Anonymous Coward"]

  45. Fusion is Easy... by Jerrry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fusion is relatively easy to achieve on a small scale. What's extremely hard to achieve, judged on the efforts of various organizations over the past 60 years, is fusion that produces more power than it consumes.

    1. Re:Fusion is Easy... by jd · · Score: 1

      You just need a few quadrillion tonnes of hydrogen.

      Ok, if you want something a little smaller, then let's look at the problem. Ignition can now be done. Lots of ways to ignite fusion. A sustained reaction is harder. However, as a general rule, in other domains when instabilities have appeared to be a problem, it is the instabilities that proved to be the solution. Instead of working to eliminate them, perhaps they could be used as a pump mechanism to draw in new fuel and expel the helium produced.

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    2. Re:Fusion is Easy... by demonbug · · Score: 1

      Fusion is relatively easy to achieve on a small scale. What's extremely hard to achieve, judged on the efforts of various organizations over the past 60 years, is fusion that produces more power than it consumes.

      Not easy maybe, but certainly been done numerous times before...

    3. Re:Fusion is Easy... by astar · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, it is IMO pretty rare for anyone to actually try to do a device that might do breakeven as constructed.

      Back in the 70's, getting break even was known to be pretty straight forward. Some simple linear pinch device, but say two clicks long. This might actually go back to the 50's.

    4. Re:Fusion is Easy... by bdleonard · · Score: 1

      What's extremely hard to achieve, judged on the efforts of various organizations over the past 60 years, is fusion that produces more power than it consumes.

      There is some evidence that problem was solved about 58 years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_Mike I admit, that particular solution is challenging to convert to electrical power production.

    5. Re:Fusion is Easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you left out an important detail. Controlled fusion.

      We can big real big H-Bombs w/o any problem... The really big explosion that they create... A result of fusion...

    6. Re:Fusion is Easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a flexible tube that will set you up right away. Usable length is 91.5 to 94.5 million miles.

  46. Re:Uh Typo by Dishevel · · Score: 1

    GP's post was about the difference between fission and fusion. While the story is about a fusor (I am guessing here). Fusors are not capable of getting to a break even point do to the screens they use. Tokamaks are though. When discussing Fission vs Fusion for energy creation. Fusion while being a clear winner of fission is not completely clean.

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  47. Re:If you call that web developing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please go die in a fire. No one is impressed at your weak attempt in snarky humor. If you put more energy into moving around, maybe you wouldn't die a lard assed cheeto-fingered virgin.

  48. Re:Uh Typo by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

    Wait, you mean human skin is powerful enough to block beta particles? Can we block electricity too?

    Cool!

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  49. Re:And how is he not in jail? by vtcodger · · Score: 4, Funny

    ***This guy will be lucky if his neighbors don't lynch him***

    People who live in NYC don't generally care enough about their neighbors to lynch them. Now Texas or Oklahoma, There any half way decent rabble rouser can get a lynch mob together with just a megaphone and few cases of beer.

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  50. there are radioactive byproducts in fusion by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    however, they are lot better behaved than the radioactive byproducts in fission

    hhere is such a thing as nuclear waste with the idea of fusion power. however we are talking about things with half lives and types of radioactivity that makes handling the waste not a permanent nightmare, more like a manageable sustained effort

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  51. Fusion or Fission? by anexkahn · · Score: 1

    Did they really mean Fusion, or did they mean Fission?

    I was under the impression that a Fusion reactor was a little harder to build.

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    1. Re:Fusion or Fission? by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      no they meant fussion.

      Fission is surprisingly easy- just put a large quantity of Uranium-235 in a small space and bathe in the warming glow.
      Then die.
      The hard bit is getting the U235.

      Fusion requires more equipment but less hard to obtain isotopes.

  52. Torus? by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 1

    When I first read your comment I thought you said torso and wondered how one replaced the walls of ones torso... mine don't look replaceable.

  53. That's awesome by gijoel · · Score: 1

    So he's built a fusion reactor in an old warehouse in New York.....

    ...Does he bust Ghost as well?

  54. Re:Didn't end well for the last person who did thi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quite.
    Stacking some Americium (from smoke detectors) and Radium (from glow-in-the-dark clock paint) does not a "reactor" make.
    Just because the kid used a Geiger counter to know when he got a bigger reaction from more stuff doesn't make him a brilliant amateur physicist.

  55. Re:Didn't end well for the last person who did thi by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 1

    with quite a bit of physics saying that such a design will never be able to achieve breakeven at any scale

    Because physics has never been wrong about anything, ever.

  56. Nuclear Reactors Aren't Dangerous... by humphrm · · Score: 3, Funny

    Mr. Wizard -- Today Timmy, we're going to take an old spatula, an inner tube and some macaroni noodles to make a nuclear reactor.
    Timmy – Gee, Mr. Wizard! Aren't nuclear reactors dangerous?
    Mr. Wizard -- No, Timmy! But old spatulas are! They can poke your little eyes out!

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  57. Re:Uh Typo by SanitaryFather · · Score: 1

    Don't have a problem with your explanation except for the part about generating electricity with radiation. When the neutron hits an atom within the uranium and splits it, energy is released as both radiation and heat. The heat from the process is used to produce steam which is used to spin turbines, etc... The radiation part is useless except to make gophers glow and help you grow an extra arm or eye, if you are into that sort of thing.

  58. Re:Uh Typo by randomencounter · · Score: 1

    Which is why it isn't a Fusor he's building.

    It looks like one but a Magnetic Grid fusion device replaces the electric grid of the Fusor with a self-shielding magnetic grid. The idea is to create a "virtual Fusor" with the magnetic fields inside, thus eliminating grid losses.

    A full-scale prototype has yet to be built, but I have seen an estimate that a magnetic grid of under 2m diameter is necessary for break-even which is going to be orders of magnitude cheaper to build and test than even the cheapest Tokomak.

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  59. Re:Uh Typo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with no radioactive by-products

    Not entirely. The elements formed during nucleosynthesis may generally not be radioactive, but the gamma rays given off during the fusion process certainly are.

  60. Re:Didn't end well for the last person who did thi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Basic fusion is easy with the Farnsworth Fusor design.

    Good news everyone!

  61. Arab. by badran · · Score: 1

    Image what the title would have been, if he was an Arab....

    1. Re:Arab. by superflit · · Score: 1

      "Gucci nuclear man explode NY"?

  62. Re:And how is he not in jail? by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Funny

    People who live in NYC don't generally care enough about their neighbors to lynch them. Now Texas or Oklahoma, There any half way decent rabble rouser can get a lynch mob together with just a megaphone and few cases of beer.

    So, pretty much any NASCAR race, rodeo, or BBQ then? :-P

    I kid, I kid. (Especially since people from Texas and Oklahoma are known to carry guns. ;-)

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  63. Re:Uh Typo by bami · · Score: 1

    Heat produces thermal radiation, so as radiation I meant both heat and gamma particles, but your explanation is more clear.

  64. Re:Didn't end well for the last person who did thi by sirrunsalot · · Score: 1
  65. NYC? by countertrolling · · Score: 1

    Don't tell the governor..

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    1. Re:NYC? by game+kid · · Score: 1

      I don't see where you're going with that.

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    2. Re:NYC? by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      Doesn't matter anymore. The story's gone

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  66. Gee, Dad... by WED+Fan · · Score: 1

    Gee, Dad, it's a Farnsworth.

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  67. hiv destroys the immune system by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    radiation destroys the immune system

    99% of us carry herpes around, constantly held in check by our immune system

    so when our immune system is destroyed, whether by HIV or radiation, out comes our wonderful viral friends, to lay waste to our bodies completely unimpeded

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    1. Re:hiv destroys the immune system by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      radiation destroys the immune system

      Yeah, I think I figured that part out. Initially I was thinking you meant radiation directly led to KS.

      And, yes, don't mangle your immune system is the lesson here boys and girls. :-P

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  68. Nuclear is more inflamitory than Fusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm calling bollocks on the BBC. These folks are working on fusion reactors. They are taking advantage of ignorant Americans and instilling fear with the "N" word. (nuclear in this case)

  69. Farnsworth, you say? by MessedRocker · · Score: 1

    "Good news, everyone! I have created a device that smashes atoms together and will provide enough energy for New New York indefinitely! Yes, indefinitely..."

  70. Re:Didn't end well for the last person who did thi by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    Generally, physics hasn't been so far off that something that was thought not to work actually could be made to work.

    Nuclear fusion and fission are pretty well understood by physics at this point, and if all the experts say that this design from the era when television was just invented won't be able to break even, then I believe they're correct. Instead of constantly trying to prove the physicists wrong with the same old design, maybe it's time to come up with a design that DOES work, and generates more power than it uses.

  71. Cost efectiveness by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

    So at $39,000 to build and my current average electric bill of $50/month - this would only take 65 years to pay for itself! And that isn't even reasonable seeing I haven't figured in the fact it would take (guestimate) probably $100 worth of electricity to produce $65 worth of electricity. I mean yeah, cool you invented a fusion reactor. But why? No practical use other than uber-geeky bragging rights. Not quite sure that is worth a personal $35,000 investment.

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    1. Re:Cost efectiveness by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Not a final product, but it's a nice step. I could see the case for future generations to have large numbers of small nuclear reactors that only power a small neighbourhood, or even a few, or single houses, and create the nuclear reactors on an assembly line. Bring the cost way down, and make them really simple to operate. Might be cheaper to build a lot of small identical units than to build 1 huge unit that requires lots of custom work.

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    2. Re:Cost efectiveness by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      Only if you also ignore the fact that so far fusion takes more energy to produce than it outputs. I think around 65% efficiency is the best they have done so far. Kind of like ethanol in that respect.

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  72. Re:Didn't end well for the last person who did thi by IronChef · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Fusion consists of putting some gas in a box, turning it on, putting a whole lot of power in and ending up with a different gas in the box.

    ... plus a bunch of neutrons that really, really want out of the box.

  73. Re:Uh Typo by Dishevel · · Score: 1

    Cool. I guess I should become more knowledgeable about fusion. Here I thought I had an awesome layman's grasp of the situation and find out I am behind the times again. Damn. How am I supposed to stay current in the knowledge to do my job well and keep up on all the other things that interest me. I need to get rid of my children i guess.

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  74. Re:Uh Typo by WonkoS · · Score: 2, Funny

    You know, a working fission reactor has been done already... I think it's called the "sun". I believe the process goes something like this: 1) Place order for at least 2.0E30 Kg of Hydrogen 2) Wait for UPS/Fedex to deliver to your house 3) Wait for gravity to pull all of this Hydrogen together ..... 4) Profit!

  75. Atom-Smasher by ch-chuck · · Score: 1

    I remember a science toy advertised as an 'Atom Smasher' and example of 'Ionic Space Propulsion' - turned out to be a small VanDerGraff Generator that could, on cold winter days, maybe work up 200,000 volts. Amateur scientist articles from the 50's and 60's are full of homemade lasers, plasma generators, cyclotrons, etc. One was a 100KW Laser - yes it was, a flash only 10 nanoseconds long but technically, 100KW (power being energy/time - a small amount of time make it look like a lot of power, altho it was powered by a 6volt lantern battery) Not too surprising that people could fuse a few atoms - lets us know when it can safely put out more energy than it takes in.

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  76. Re:Uh Typo by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

    It will be a fissioned reactor if one of his neighbors cleaves it with an ax.

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  77. Re:Didn't end well for the last person who did thi by GooberToo · · Score: 1

    Generally, physics hasn't been so far off that something that was thought not to work actually could be made to work.

    History is littered with such accounts. Take something as obvious as black holes and the theory of relativity.

  78. Re:Didn't end well for the last person who did thi by sjames · · Score: 1

    Tell that to Fermi.

  79. for instance, neutrons. by swschrad · · Score: 1

    the paradox of fusion is that you need to have neutrons flying about to call success. this is also a very bad thing for nearby life forms and mutatable elements that can absorb neutrons and become prime particle emitters.

    it is also a bad thing to have a exothermic fusion system because... well, the prime examples are stars and H-bombs. the exothermic reaction tends to feed on itself.

    stuck up in a warehouse loft in the middle of NYC with two layers of foil tape over it is not exactly the place I'd pick for the thing. unless I was bin Laden.

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  80. Re:Didn't end well for the last person who did thi by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    The physics of black holes don't have anything to do with any devices that I've heard about. As for relativity, when has the lack of understanding there (i.e. before Einstein came along and made his theories) caused a certain design of a device to not work, and then the improved understanding of the physics allowed the earlier design to work?

    No one's saying that fusion (energy-producing) can't be made to work. They're saying that this particular design for a reactor, which is a very old one BTW, can't be made to work. New understandings in physics will most likely lead to an entirely new design for a reactor, not some way of getting an old design to work.

  81. How hard can this be? by bsharma · · Score: 1

    When there are trillions of big balls doing this without anyone designing them. Where you ask? Just look up the (night) sky!

  82. The new Mr Fusion? by Neanderthal+Ninny · · Score: 1

    There is really no harm in actual fusion reactor with what limited raw materials to create fusion for most people could get. The problem of most fusion reactors is getting the first "spark" or ignition to get the fusion process started. After ignition the other problem maintain the fusion process.
    Good luck Mark

  83. Re:And how is he not in jail? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1
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  84. Yes, have to love Enrico Fermi by Venner · · Score: 1

    There is an amusing-yet-horridly-terrifying story about one of Fermi's fission experiments, which took place underneath a football field at the University of Chicago, early in the war. Now, at that time, fission was only a theoretical proposition; nobody really knew what would happen when a sustainable reaction began. (E.g., some people thought they would set the atmosphere on fire.)

    The experiment that day involved the gathering together of the first critical mass of fissile material -- literally a pile of uranium and graphite blocks. To control the reaction, Fermi had a cadmium rod dangling from a rope over a pulley (and an automatic safety rod too, to be fair, that they didn't know would work). When the reaction hit the point of being self-sustaining, one of his colleagues would take an axe and chop the rope, dropping the control rod back in place to absorb the excess neutrons and halt the reaction before it was too late.

    It's a fun read. "The First Atomic Pile"

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    1. Re:Yes, have to love Enrico Fermi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to understand though, that there is nothing inherently "horridly terrifying" about this story. I'm posting anonymously because I have worked at Argonne, Fermilab, and a few other non-Chicagoland labs as a nuclear engineer. A hobby of mine is the history of nuclear physics, so I like to think my professional training means I'm qualified to comment to on the safety of Fermi's "there's a rope over there, hold this axe for me, will ya?" method.

      Fission wasn't at all "a theoretical proposition" at the time: it had been directly induced by man since the '30s. What you're referring to, the bit about setting "the atmosphere on fire," specifically relates to the detonation of atomic weapons. Your criticism is entirely misplaced and three years early.

      The gist of it is this: they were monitoring neutron fluxes constantly for days while setting up and performing this experiment. They had a very good idea of when the reactor would go critical. (Criticality does not mean "go boom," rather it simply means the reaction is self-sustaining and the pile's power level will remain constant if nothing else changes.) They were very slowly and carefully increasing both the amount of uranium and graphite reflector material, both of which were required to reach criticality. As they increased each, they could directly observe the neutron counts increasing, but still staying subcritical and in no danger of anything. (This is the same process used when any current reactor is started up or refueled, it's a simple process and well-understood. Any undergrad nuclear engineer has likely seen or done it him/herself.)

      By monitoring things closely, as the Fermi group did, they knew right when the reactor achieved criticality. This was the goal of their experiment as it had never been done before, but there was also very little doubt among the scientists that it was achievable. Nor was there any particular doubt over the safety of the process. That there was a "safety control rod axe man" was, as you said, a backup to a backup. A mindset I wholeheartedly encourage.

      You're right that the history is gloriously fun, but you do Fermi and physicists everywhere a disservice by combining multiple apocryphal stories to paint some ludicrous picture of that which never happened.

      Captcha: Trigrams. Hooray! My favorite kind of grams! It just so happens I'm currently working on digram-trigram fusion!

    2. Re:Yes, have to love Enrico Fermi by Michael+Hunt · · Score: 1

      When the reaction hit the point of being self-sustaining, one of his colleagues would take an axe and chop the rope, dropping the control rod back in place to absorb the excess neutrons and halt the reaction before it was too late.

      Leading to the term "SCRAM", short for "Shit! Cut Rope, AxeMan!"

  85. Mod parent FUNNY. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Good comment. I laughed.

    Free Fusion Reactors: Just look up into the night sky and choose any star. There are plenty for everyone.

    The problem is getting the energy back.

  86. Unprotected Nuclear Reactor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nuclear is nothing to mess with, our company has put bilions of dollars into protecting the public from any radiation leaks and people think its a fun party toy to show off. the radiological hazard produced if that science project falls over is nothing to take lightly

  87. Many more than 38 fusion hobby reactors exist by DCFusor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In fact, our open source fusor forum, http://www.fusor.net/board/index.php?site=fusor doesn't even know this guy, or I don't recognize him, anyway -- we usually use our real names there. It's been around for quite awhile too -- if you go there look at the archives and see for yourself. Not only does this represent a dupe, and not to take anything away from this guy, he's far from alone, and unless he is making over 2 million neutrons/second on less than 5w power input, he's not even caught up to the current hobby record, which as far as I know, I hold -- some of it shown at http://www.coultersmithing.com/ , my site (which can take a slashdotting much better than the forum can, which is "some guy" hosting from home -- the perfessor we call him and are grateful. If you go there you'll find many more than 38 folks with working fusors I think. The pic in the BBC article looks in fact like one copied from one of our (main) forum members fusors, Richard Hull (see wikipedia on that). Again, not taking anything away from the guy -- the more the merrier -- hope he catches up with the rest of us at some point, as we have refined the Farnsworth concept quite a bit over the years, and made much more progress than is normally reported, because what funding is done is either to ITER with their non working approach, or NIF, which is really a weapons stewardship test device. Mod me up, damnit -- this is sick, we've been doing this for decades and are pretty good at it, and nearly all of us have done it *purely* with our own earned bucks, not taking contributions from people dumb enough to donate for no return. I guess we mostly care more about the science than being 15-minute famous. And most of us (but not I) have done it for a lot less money than that. We have a few high school students who have made working fusors on high school student spare change kinds of money. I had the bucks, so I went whole hog and do a real science approach myself, but I am the exception, not the rule. Strictly speaking it's against regulations to make a device that makes either X rays or Neutrons without some paperwork, so that's another incorrect statement, and many hobby fusors make amounts that would be dangerous if we weren't careful, and part of what we do on our forum is mention what we have "activated" eg made our own radioisotopes via neutrons from fusors.

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    1. Re:Many more than 38 fusion hobby reactors exist by geekoid · · Score: 1

      AH yes, the 'If your not part of my groups then your no good' argument.

      And you happily tied that to the 'We where here first' argument.

      All wrapped in a nice package of 'We don't have time for line breaks school of writing.

      "do a real science approach myself,"
      I have my doubts.

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  88. Re:And how is he not in jail? by jonadab · · Score: 1

    Yeah, there was a joke about that in Last Action Hero.

    "Hello? I've just shot a man in cold blood, and I wish to confess."

    "Hey, quiet down out there!"

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  89. Re:Uh Typo by Khashishi · · Score: 2, Informative

    Neutrons are best blocked with materials containing light elements like hydrogen. Sometimes a combination of lead bricks and polyethylene bricks is used around a target in a fission based neutron source. The lead bricks block gamma rays, and the neutrons scatter off the hydrogen in polyethylene, slowing them down until they can be absorbed. In Alcator C-Mod tokamak, a concrete neutron shield is used.

    Lithium is mined, not generated. It is used in the breeder blanket to produce tritium by the reaction n + 6Li --> T + He.

  90. Re:Uh Typo by DrKnark · · Score: 1

    Correct, of course. I knew this, just not last night :) Thank you.

  91. Re:Didn't end well for the last person who did thi by Teancum · · Score: 1

    The physics of fusion reactors is quite well documented including several naturally occurring ones. ("natural" fission reactors have also been observed BTW.) The problem is how to create a fusion reactor that doesn't involved gravitational binding of the fusible materials.

    Since one of the four major forces of nature has to be ignored due to scaling issues, the other three must be called upon and studied in order to get it to work, with the hope that a productive fusion reactor can be made containing plasmas within some sort of electro-magnetic field. The problem always is being able to sustain a reaction long enough that the energy from the reaction produces more energy than it takes to create the containment field. Every form of fusion research tries to deal with this issue in one way or another, including the "cold fusion" reactors that attempt to use atomic binding on a molecular level to create these electro-magnetic fields and Tokamak reactors that do this on a much larger scale.

    The main problem with a Tokamak reactor is again a scaling issue, where the reactor is so incredibly huge that it can only be built with international cooperation for one that even in theory could be used for power production. One aspect that some "armchair physicists" tend to forget is that often a reactor design scales with a power function on the cost as well. Polywell reactors seem to have a "Big O" notation as applied to the cost of the reactor vs. its size with a slightly lower power function than the Tokamak... as documented by the original article spawning this thread. That meaningful research towards a study of the Polywell design can be done for less than $100k is something that certainly helps. It is too bad that more research universities aren't putting serious efforts into at least that design, given the costs involved.

    As for being able to apply new physics to solving practical devices, where a lack of understanding of that physics would cause the device to fail or at least have inferior precision, one application I've known about is in regards to navigation. Yes, you can use Newton's equations for acceleration and motion to calculate both the current position and predictive future positions, but in order to get the accuracies needed for modern navigation it is imperative to use Einstein's equations to "tweak" the results of any navigation calculation. Modern GPS receivers simply wouldn't even be possible without applying relativity into the design, as would most celestial navigation across the Solar System. It is hard to conceive of an engineering design from the 18th century that would have required the precision of relativity, but it is something that has been beneficial in the 21st century. It makes navigation with accuracies of several miles using Newton's equations vs. precision of just a few feet using Einstein's equations. 18th century navigation was lucky if you hit the correct continent, much less actually getting with several hundred miles of the target destination.

  92. Re:Didn't end well for the last person who did thi by GooberToo · · Score: 1

    Generally, physics hasn't been so far off that something that was thought not to work actually could be made to work.

    History is littered with such accounts. Take something as obvious as black holes and the theory of relativity.

    The physics of black holes don't have anything to do with any devices that I've heard about.

    Go back to the context in which my statement was made. The simple fact is, most people didn't believe black holes could exist. In fact, the math break down rather abruptly which led most to draw the wrong conclusion. Despite physics being very far off, we now know that not only do they exist, they exist all over the place. The universe is littered with them. They are extremely common; despite what the math has to say about it. Its just one of many disconnects from reality physics commonly experiences until we gain yet one more piece of information. The problem is often we don't know what we don't know and so we draw the wrong conclusion when even when the math says its a safe conclusion. History riddled with such cases.

  93. Re:Uh Typo by MrNemesis · · Score: 1

    It's *alpha* emitters you definitely don't want to swallow; alpha is stopped by skin or a few metres of open air, beta goes straight through you but can be blocked by some sheets of thick metal or concrete.

    The reason radon gas is so hazardous is that is decays into an alpha emitter; if it's in your lungs when it does that you can expect some heavy chop.

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  94. Re:Uh Typo by MrNemesis · · Score: 1

    The problem is, if UPS are a few days late delivering your parcel, they get all the profit and not you.

    I reckon any union workers would have grounds for a strike due to unsafe working conditions, however.

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  95. Re:Didn't end well for the last person who did thi by Whatchamacallit · · Score: 1

    He built a fission "breeder" reactor. He was trying to manipulate scrap radioactive materials into something more interesting and powerful.

  96. Re:Uh Typo by BlueParrot · · Score: 1

    No, Fission involves the process of heavy (unstable, usually something like Uranium) element decaying into a lighter element

    Two elements. And that's per nucleus. You get quite a few different fission products in a typical nuclear reactor.

    and some radiation, where the radiation is used to generate electricity.

    Very little energy is contained in the radiation as compared to the kinetic energy the fission fragments get from the fission. In either case it is the heat that is used to generate electricity, and while radiation certainly contributes to it, most of it comes from the kinetic energy of the fission products.

    releasing neutrons in the process from which you can generate electricity.

    As far as I'm aware there aren't really any practical ways to generate electricity from neutrons other than to simply let them be absorbed in something so their energy becomes heat, then you do as with any other reactor.

    no radioactive by-products.

    This is not true, the structural materials of the reactor gets irradiated by neutrons and hence become radioactive. The hope is that the materials can be chosen so that the radioactive waste generated in this way will be small in quantity and short-lived.

    Essentially the main advantage with fusion is that unlike fission, it stops producing heat the moment you shut it down. With fission the radioactive waste products in the fuel rods contribute about 10% of the power, and can still cause a meltdown even after reactor shutdown. Therefore reliable cooling systems are required since there is no way to prevent the decay-heat from being generated. Fusion doesn't have that problem.

  97. "mod me up" he said. by Joseph_Daniel_Zukige · · Score: 1

    Until there, I was wondering, now I'm wondering something different.

  98. Looking at the picture... by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

    ...that is either a medium-interesting fusion rig, or a really KICK-ASS HOME BREWERY!