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NASA Launches Moonbase Alpha

Several readers have sent word that today NASA launched Moonbase Alpha, an online game with single- and multi-player capability that "allows participants to step into the role of an exploration team member in a futuristic 3-D lunar settlement." The game is available now through Steam for free. Moonbase Alpha was built as a precursor to an upcoming NASA MMO called Astronaut: Moon, Mars & Beyond, and they hope it will be "a proof of concept to show how NASA content can be combined with a cutting-edge game engine to inspire, engage and educate students about agency technologies, job opportunities and the future of space exploration."

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  1. Moonbase Alpha BBS? by Moridineas · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Anyone remember Moonbase Alpha BBS -- 471-4547 -- (I doubt it as it would be a minuscule number of people)?

    1. Re:Moonbase Alpha BBS? by Ron+Harwood · · Score: 2, Informative

      Um, all the world lives in one area code, do they? ;)

    2. Re:Moonbase Alpha BBS? by Moridineas · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When you're a teenager typing in modem commands by hand to call local numbers, yes :-)

    3. Re:Moonbase Alpha BBS? by Mascot · · Score: 1

      No. But I do remember 205 895 0028. I couldn't remember precisely what it was, but a Google sorted that (NASA Spacelink). Can't believe I still remember that. Must be more than 15 years since I last dialed that number. And, international rates being what they were, I didn't use it all that often back then either.

    4. Re:Moonbase Alpha BBS? by IflyRC · · Score: 1

      Hail fellow Alabamian

    5. Re:Moonbase Alpha BBS? by ddillman · · Score: 1

      I remember one that went by that name, yes. And yes, I'm old.

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    6. Re:Moonbase Alpha BBS? by paganizer · · Score: 1

      Nooo...

      How about Cyberpunk City, in Murray, KY? (my best friends BBS)? or The Grove in Clarksville, TN? (mine), The Midnight Hour or The Red Dragon in Cali?

      running a BBS was much more fun than running a website.

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    7. Re:Moonbase Alpha BBS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, modem commands... I had almost forgotten about those. ATM1L3 -> Attention, turn on the modem speaker while connecting but off after that, with volume set to loud. ATDT5551212 -> Attention, dial touch-tone service to number 555-1212...

      I hope I remember those correctly. :) I guess it varied by modem, too... I remember sitting there poring over the instruction manual writing my commands down on a piece of notebook paper.

  2. In space... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nobody can hear you troll.

    1. Re:In space... by tacarat · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually, this project is to find trolls and their online kin. Who better to send on long duration trips than those that already hate the sun, don't mind "alternative hygiene", live on processed foods and can shirk off a lack of real sex for years at a time?

      Oh shit. /. is next >.>

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    2. Re:In space... by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Good God, you're absolutely right. Every geek and nerd in the verse is a perfect target to send on missions to space... We have to warn... Somebody... wait... whats bad about this?

    3. Re:In space... by tacarat · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't want to risk sharing a ship with telephone sanitizers.

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    4. Re:In space... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they gave me some futuristic-looking armor to wear during the trip, I'd be all for that.

    5. Re:In space... by shoehornjob · · Score: 1

      We have to warn... Somebody... wait... whats...bad....about....this?

      It's probably nothing but I've heard the launch and reentry are a bitch.

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    6. Re:In space... by tnk1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't worry, they don't want you dead. They need us to fix their computers so they can go on Facebook.

    7. Re:In space... by ring-eldest · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In all seriousness, I think the really far out there geeks (not your average, run of the mill slashdotter, but maybe close!) would make EXCELLENT space travelers. The only real downside is that after years of increasingly disturbing porn, a COMPLETE lack of social interaction (and this is coming from someone who once thought "dressing up" was putting on pants so the drive-through people won't freak out), and the subsequent lack of feedback about their behavior and thoughts, they'll leave a very rough impression on the first person they run into afterward. Alien or cosmonaut.

      "Greetings people of earth! We have met with your represenative and found him wholly agreeable with our culture! Where's the women at, bitches?"

      Oh, shi---

    8. Re:In space... by Excelcior · · Score: 1

      Somebody, mod the parent up!

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  3. Space: 1999 by BearRanger · · Score: 1

    About 11 years too late. But at least we now know what the Mayan hype was all about. Say goodbye to the moon in 2012.

    Just in case... :-)

    1. Re:Space: 1999 by dacarr · · Score: 1

      Downshot: say hello to ugly polyester jumpsuits.

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    2. Re:Space: 1999 by Stray7Xi · · Score: 1

      an online game with single- and multi-player capability that 'allows participants to step into the role of an exploration team member in a futuristic 3-D lunar settlement...'

      17 years too late, we've already had this, it just took place on phobos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_(video_game)

  4. Only 11 years late... by wowbagger · · Score: 3, Funny

    Only 11 years late...

    Some cheats for players:
    1 Stay away from the nuclear waste dump.
    2 Don't shoot energy-absorbing being with a laser - just get them in a powered-down section and wait for them to run out of energy.
    3 Neutron reaction drives won't make you a lot of friends.

    1. Re:Only 11 years late... by Brett+Buck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That show is *nightmarishly bad*. In one episode, some alien planet sends probes that create an atmosphere (to keep the Alpha crew happy until they passed out of range so they didn't have Martin Landau and Barbara Bain descend up them). That's when I found out that *the windows on Moonbase Alpha were designed to be opened* so they could get a nice breeze. And that the intrepid space voyagers brought *bikinis* so they could frolic on the regolith.

    2. Re:Only 11 years late... by Adambomb · · Score: 1

      Personally I'm waiting for the sequel.

      Astronaut II: LEO, Whiteboards, and congressional subcommittees

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    3. Re:Only 11 years late... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only 11 years late...

      Some cheats for players:
      1 Stay away from the nuclear waste dump.
      2 Don't shoot energy-absorbing being with a laser - just get them in a powered-down section and wait for them to run out of energy.
      3 Neutron reaction drives won't make you a lot of friends.

      On Steam, the release date for the game is set as Nov. 30, 1999!

    4. Re:Only 11 years late... by JockTroll · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Black Sun" was kinda cool. And the Eagles are some of the greatest-looking fictional spaceships ever, even though from the vernier rockets layout it's never exactly clear how they can yaw or traslate on the X-axis.

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    5. Re:Only 11 years late... by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      What bugs me is that Hollywood has been doing mostly remakes of anything for the last two decades or so and nobody thought of doing a Space: 1999 movie and launch it worldwide on September 13, 1999.

    6. Re:Only 11 years late... by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Should have been september 13th, 1999.

    7. Re:Only 11 years late... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't have the model/toy as a kid? Too young maybe. Anyway, Eagles have small thrusters all over them (including the X-axis). Think Apollo missions (with small, very deep, TV's) with added Thunderbirds and that's Eagle technology.

    8. Re:Only 11 years late... by tnk1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      And the instances will be just like playing WoW with shitty pick-up groups.

      Astronaut [party] Okay guys, I'm going up. You ready to make sure my mission is a success?
      Congressman [party] I got all the money you need.
      Contractor [party] All systems go! We got your back.
      Administrator [party] You are cleared for take off.

      Astronaut launches STS-135.
      Astronaut is now 2 km above launch site.
      *Astronaut is attacked by Faulty O-Ring (elite)*
      Astronaut [party] oshitoshitoshit
      Contractor disconnects from the server.
      Administrator casts Blame the Contractor. Administrator teleports out.
      Congressman casts Hookers and Blow. Congressman teleports out.
      Astronaut takes 2389358954390354-e35 damage.
      Astronaut dies.

      Contractor reconnects.
      Contractor [party] Guys? What'd I miss?
      Congressman [party] Uhh yeah, I gotta go. Getting a blow job.
      Astronaut [party] Fucking DIE.
      Administrator [guild] We don't talk that way in the NASA guild.
      Astronaut has been kicked from NASA.

      The End.

    9. Re:Only 11 years late... by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      And that the intrepid space voyagers brought *bikinis* so they could frolic on the regolith.

      To be fair, while the opening windows in the moonbase were one of the silliest things I've seen in an SF show, they wore bikinis a lot in the other episodes in the tanning salon place.

      And considering that the whole premise of the show was absurd, complaining about minor issues like opening windows seems a bit over the top :).

    10. Re:Only 11 years late... by Ecuador · · Score: 1

      Ok, the show kinda sucks if you are not under 15 (fortunately I was at the time), but what about that opening theme? A classic over-the-top pompous orchestral score switching to the funkiest 70's beat! And actually that part which is the only aspect I really appreciate now, I did not really "get" as a kid...

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    11. Re:Only 11 years late... by pipingguy · · Score: 3, Informative

      But UFO (also by Gerry Anderson) was great! Supposedly there's a movie on the way.

    12. Re:Only 11 years late... by SalsaDoom · · Score: 0

      Astronaut takes 2389358954390354-e35 damage.

      Huh? Anyone know how much this is in Space Shuttle Explosions?

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    13. Re:Only 11 years late... by wallsg · · Score: 1

      And the instances will be just like playing WoW with shitty pick-up groups.

      Astronaut [party] Okay guys, I'm going up. You ready to make sure my mission is a success?
      Congressman [party] I got all the money you need.
      Contractor [party] All systems go! We got your back.
      Administrator [party] You are cleared for take off.

      Leeeroooy Jeeeenkiiiiins!

    14. Re:Only 11 years late... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh god, that was so funny, I could actually see that conversation going down in the chat.
       
       

      Congressman casts Hookers and Blow

      Any chance of there being an area of effect version of that spell?

    15. Re:Only 11 years late... by JockTroll · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have two of them and yes, I remember the thrusters on the landing gears' pods. However, Apollo had them on a cylindrical body while the Eagles have them positioned differently, and there's no engine bell on the X-Axis. Oh, well, it's fiction. I also have Roberto Baldassarri's blueprints framed, by the way (http://www.space1999.net/eagle/).

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    16. Re:Only 11 years late... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I was under 15 when I saw it, and the science made me cringe. They seemed to have absolutely no idea how big space is. In the first episode, the moon flies out of the solar system. It then travels fast enough to visit a new solar system every few weeks, meaning at least 10-20 times the speed of light, probably closer to 100 times (pretty good for a Newtonian drive). The Eagles are powerful enough that they can take off from this, land on nearby planets (decelerating to a relative stop), then take off again and catch up with the moonbase (accelerating to its speed). Yet, somehow, they were not powerful enough to take the crew back to Earth.

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    17. Re:Only 11 years late... by Phoghat · · Score: 1

      I used to have a thing for Barbara Bain, never could figure out why she would go for Landau.

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    18. Re:Only 11 years late... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Additionally... bikinis!

    19. Re:Only 11 years late... by metamatic · · Score: 1

      In another episode, you see that Moonbase Alpha has a solarium. That's why they had the bikinis.

      I have no explanation for why the windows were openable. I don't remember that bit. Perhaps I should watch the episode again...

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  5. NASA "content?" by ground.zero.612 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I honestly loathe the idea that life is being measured in "content."

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    1. Re:NASA "content?" by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      I honestly loathe the idea that life is being measured in "content."

      You know what I loathe? People who can't actually read and parse the context in which a word is used. That's what I loathe.

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    2. Re:NASA "content?" by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      content 2 (kn-tnt)
      adj.
      1. Desiring no more than what one has; satisfied.

      Sounds like a pretty good life to me.

    3. Re:NASA "content?" by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's fun for the first few months, then you start wishing some of those desires would return, just to alleviate the boredom.

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  6. VR jobs of the future by RichMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    8 second lag is pretty bad, but this can be viewed as a precursor to jobs of the future where basement dwellers driver loaders on the moon.

  7. uh oh... by markana · · Score: 1

    let's hope they keep a better eye on the nuclear waste dump this time :-)

    or at least stock up on supplies (and better actors).

    1. Re:uh oh... by Threni · · Score: 1

      I always thought both the music and the sound effects were pretty amazing though.

  8. Please... by rshol · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is this how screwed up NASA is, reduced to releasing video games as opposed to sending people into space?

    1. Re:Please... by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      On the other hand, the Military gets tons of Cash and they have NEVER released a video game.

    2. Re:Please... by KarmaKhameleon · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they'll release a game to inspire kids to actively participate in a pathological aversion to monsters / ghosts while consuming vast quantities of pharmaceuticals in an effort to inspire, engage and educate students to trust Pfizer unquestioningly.

      Now they just need to make a BP game.

    3. Re:Please... by ScentCone · · Score: 1, Troll

      Is this how screwed up NASA is

      No, this isn't even close to how screwed NASA is getting. Just check out what NASA's director says is Obama's foremost task for his agency: it's really fun .

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    4. Re:Please... by AnonymousClown · · Score: 5, Funny

      Is this how screwed up NASA is, reduced to releasing video games as opposed to sending people into space?

      It's a master recruitment plan. See, kids think they're playing a game but in reality, they're being trained and the best of the best of the best will rise until one day, via their "game" they're doing actual exploration without realizing it. I hear they're planning a military version of this too.

      Code name: ENDER

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    5. Re:Please... by Virak · · Score: 1

      Convincing the public that space is cool! and exciting! so they can continue to get enough funding to at least barely get by has always been an important part of NASA. See also: all those pretty pictures they release.

    6. Re:Please... by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, they've got a lot of experience producing computer animation of craft they never actually build and missions which they never actually launch. So this is just a natural extension.

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    7. Re:Please... by blair1q · · Score: 3, Funny

      (kicks you in the nuts)

    8. Re:Please... by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      NASA: Treading Water for 40 Years and Counting!

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    9. Re:Please... by Jeng · · Score: 1

      That would be all cool and exciting, except the game is a simulation of living in a harsh desolate wasteland.

      I've lived in Big Piney Wyoming, harsh desolate wastelands suck and are boring.

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    10. Re:Please... by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think this is as close to doing any space work as NASA will come in the future. No one wants to spend money on Space Exploration. Both parties talk about it but wont fund it. We're through in space, the private companies will do earth orbit and maybe Japan or China will go to Mars. The US will make video games.

    11. Re:Please... by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      Is this how screwed up NASA is, reduced to releasing video games as opposed to sending people into space?

      It's a master recruitment plan. See, kids think they're playing a game but in reality, they're being trained and the best of the best of the best will rise until one day, via their "game" they're doing actual exploration without realizing it. I hear they're planning a military version of this too.

      Remember, don't use the Death Blossom except as a last resort!

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    12. Re:Please... by fm6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Pretty much. But doesn't that reflect society as a whole? People flock to movies about space (Avatar has already grossed a billion bucks) but I don't see any interest in real-life space exploration outside a few buffs.

    13. Re:Please... by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Only NASA could take one of the most challenging and hazardous jobs in existence and make it come across as boring and frivolous. NASA needs to hire some good PR people.

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    14. Re:Please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's just shifting the government resources of NASA, to a basically pseudo-outsourced position, while giving the Corporate space ventures first dibs on the new market. Not a bad idea on the latter, but a horrible use of NASA. Why have it at all then, if it's been delegated to a position of public relations?

      It's certainly not the US' job to bolster science, technology, and mathematics in foreign countries. That's what Ambassadors and Corporate outsourcing are supposed to do. Aren't they?

      This isn't what I certainly supported with my vote, and certainly won't be supporting come the next election.

    15. Re:Please... by IANAAC · · Score: 2, Interesting
      While I disagree with that particular plan, it would seem that the Examiner generally is not favorable to Obama's administration.

      And just reading the comments section of your referenced article, it looks like the Examiner's readership downright hates Obama.

      I don't know anything about the fairly new owners of the paper (Clarity Media Group) though, to know if that's the paper's objective or not. It certainly comes across that way, glancing at some other headlines.

    16. Re:Please... by Flentil · · Score: 1

      You mean no American politicians want to spend money on the space program. Personally, I'd like to see our military and NASA budgets switched. I would have said the same thing 30 years ago, and had it been done, we'd have anti-gravity and flying cars by now.

    17. Re:Please... by the+gnat · · Score: 1

      People flock to movies about space (Avatar has already grossed a billion bucks) but I don't see any interest in real-life space exploration outside a few buffs.

      Keep in mind that while Avatar was unusually well-thought-out for a science fiction movie, interstellar travel is not even close to "real-life", so this doesn't really prove anything.

    18. Re:Please... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind that while Avatar was unusually well-thought-out for a science fiction movie, interstellar travel is not even close to "real-life", so this doesn't really prove anything.

      Avatar was ridiculous on multiple levels, and we could build interstellar craft right now if we wanted. However I suggest that we try to colonize this solar system first; Mars and Venus could probably be transformed into near-earthlike conditions, and Moon and other dead rocks too small to hold an atmosphere could support bubble-city colonies.

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    19. Re:Please... by the+gnat · · Score: 1

      Avatar was ridiculous on multiple levels, and we could build interstellar craft [wikipedia.org] right now if we wanted.

      This is also not even close to "real-life". The fact that Project Orion is theoretically possible using present-day technology says nothing about whether it's practical, and even less about whether it's useful (since we know of no other habitable planets). I do agree with Carl Sagan's suggestion for what to do with our nuclear weapons, however.

      However I suggest that we try to colonize this solar system first; Mars and Venus could probably be transformed into near-earthlike conditions, and Moon and other dead rocks too small to hold an atmosphere could support bubble-city colonies.

      None of which will happen without either a massive increase in our GDP and technological abilities, or ruinously high taxes and/or deficits. And even if we started now, none of the people going to see Avatar would be alive to walk on the Moon or Mars, not that they'd be able to afford it anyway.

      I hope that all of this will happen someday, and I'd like to see NASA laying the groundwork for it (by doing basic research, not feel-good stunts), and personally, I really want my own spaceship, but we're talking about multi-century projects here.

    20. Re:Please... by znerk · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'd like to see our military and NASA budgets switched. I would have said the same thing 30 years ago, and had it been done, we'd have anti-gravity and flying cars by now.

      Well, we do actually have the flying car now, at least...

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    21. Re:Please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last time I won one of those "reality" MMO games I starred on Stargate Universe .... /facepalm

    22. Re:Please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I were President, I would drag the NASA's Director back to Washington and fire him on the spot. None of that resignation crap, just a straight up firing. Then my first order to the new guy would be "Get to work on my moon base. I want that done by 2025. If you got problems, ask and I will wave whatever regulations is reasonable during my term." Seriously, if they can put a man on the moon and return him safely with technology from the 60's, when a computer was the size of a room, but not even as powerful as my ipod, I am pretty sure we can get a moon base in 15 years.

    23. Re:Please... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      The US will make video games.

      Actually we're farming that one off to North Korea.

      Signed,
      Electronic Arts

      P.S. There may be a position in one of our salt mines for you shortly, the mines are always in need of new slav^H^H^H^Hworkers. You'll be paid in EA Dollars which can be traded for EA games or EA branded food such as the the new EA Dew.

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    24. Re:Please... by fm6 · · Score: 1

      If anything, the fact that Avatar is unrealistic strengthens my argument. People don't want to go out and conquer the universe -- they want to veg out and fantasize about conquering the universe.

    25. Re:Please... by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      Isn't this a sequel to the game they released in 1969?

    26. Re:Please... by 2obvious4u · · Score: 1

      I believe the game was called "The Last Starfighter".

    27. Re:Please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With all the arguments about how video games can be art and should be taken seriously, you'd think people (read: gamers) would realize and appreciate that video games are being taken seriously as a communication medium.

      If the material in the game is accurate and informative, what's wrong with NASA using video games as a means to inform, educate and advertise space exploration and advanced engineering?

      [NOTE: this is an ideological argument; it ignores the best uses of money and the current budgeting problems]

    28. Re:Please... by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      And you'd be right.
      It was a movie, though.

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    29. Re:Please... by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      Avatar was just Pocahontas, but replace a country with a world, and the time period some ridiculously distant future time.
      When you do that, you can do literally anything in the movie, and say "hey, it's in the future!"

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    30. Re:Please... by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Maybe some advertising is what NASA needs so people won't ignore it when congress slashes their funding yet again. The game doesn't seem to be terribly expensive to make and the America's Army guys made it.

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  9. no thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think I'll wait until at least the beta release to give them time to work out the early bugs ;)

  10. Moonbase Alpha! by grub · · Score: 0, Redundant


    Is this before or after the nuclear dump sends the Moon out of Earth orbit? If after, dibs on Helena!

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  11. This is NOT part of NASA's new mission priority. by ScentCone · · Score: 1, Troll

    Glad to see they got this done and available before NASA had to shift its mission over to the administration's new priority for the agency . After all, what could be more important than a condescending, platitudinous mission (the foremost mission, says NASA's director) to boost the self esteem of a specific religious culture?

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  12. Re:This is NOT part of NASA's new mission priority by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Well, if you think terrorists are bad... just wait until you meet... SPACE TERRORISTS! Mars is a dead planet for a reason.

  13. Again, meticulously crafted headlines! by cpscotti · · Score: 0

    I'm quite sure I wasn't the only one who thought that "Moonbase Alpha" was some kind of serious "we-re going to the moon" project with huge loads of cash being invested in such a cool thing..

    But no!! This is just NASA going into US Army's trend to build free games!
    (not that I'm not very curious about the game, not that I don't find it useful neither that I don't appreciate this news.. it is just that they could have appended a "game" there!!)

  14. It is our consitutional right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To be provided with free video games.

  15. MoonBase Alpha... by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Wasn't that the name of the base in the 1970's Sci-fi series "Space 1999"?

  16. Space 1999? by andawyr · · Score: 1

    What, did we go through a time warp? Wasn't there a Moonbase Alpha back in 1999?

    And, didn't the moon vacate the premises shortly thereafter?

    1. Re:Space 1999? by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      What, did we go through a time warp? Wasn't there a Moonbase Alpha back in 1999?

      And, didn't the moon vacate the premises shortly thereafter?

      Yes, but somebody used the dragonballs to restore it again.

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    2. Re:Space 1999? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      If we went through a time warp, we'd have to go rescue Daphne!

    3. Re:Space 1999? by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Confirmed - and in Sweden it was renamed to Månbas Alpha - Moonbase Alpha.

      Adds some extra fun to the article.

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    4. Re:Space 1999? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best. Theme music. Ever

  17. DAMMIT!!! by A.+B3ttik · · Score: 3, Funny

    My level 19 Rocketeer had fourteen Pristine Moonrock's, I had the fifteenth IN SIGHT, when a level 43 Cosmonaut ganked me and looted everything off my corpse. I took me ten hours of grinding Selenites to get that epic Oxygen Tank of Capacity.

    1. Re:DAMMIT!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      My level 19 Rocketeer had fourteen Pristine Moonrock's, I had the fifteenth IN SIGHT, when a level 43 Cosmonaut ganked me and looted everything off my corpse.

      Did they loot all of his unnecessary apostrophes and run-on sentences too?

  18. Re:This is NOT part of NASA's new mission priority by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now do you know who was being the Moonbase Alpha launching? Yes, Bin Laden!!!!!

  19. I remember when ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does anyone remember a time when NASA astronauts actually WENT to the Moon?

    1. Re:I remember when ... by Chaymus · · Score: 2, Funny

      Queue the tinfoil hats saying "Never."

    2. Re:I remember when ... by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was born in 1977, so no, I don't remember a time when Astronauts ever went to the moon.

      We gave up on space exploration in 1972.

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    3. Re:I remember when ... by IANAAC · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes. July 20, 1969 absolutely RUINED by 9th birthday party. I still have a black and white picture that my grandpa took of the black and white TV set broadcasting it, complete with a Nixon inset in the upper left corner of the screen.

  20. The gameplay by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

    Is it like most of the FPS games? Travel to distant planets. Discover mysterious alien civilizations. Then kill them.

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    1. Re:The gameplay by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like the script for a Predators game.

  21. Re:This is NOT part of NASA's new mission priority by blair1q · · Score: 1

    Or you could just engage in the same cherrypicking reductio ad absurdum as the propagandist you link to and attempt to pretend that NASA is selling its rockets and buying burqhas for female astronauts to use on school tours of Riyadh.

  22. Where are the muslims? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They won't have a good self-image unless NASA helps them.

  23. How stimulating. by Snarkalicious · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can only imagine that the excitement curve for the game will be the same as any other MMO or living on an actual moon base.

    Day 1: Woo! I'm on the server/moon!
    Day 2: Wow! I can do like, 6 different things. Sweet!
    Day 12: OH SWEET JESUS WHY CAN'T I ESCAPE THIS EYE-STABBING BOREDOM!!!!!

    1. Re:How stimulating. by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      Day 12: OH SWEET JESUS WHY CAN'T I ESCAPE THIS EYE-STABBING BOREDOM!!!!!

      Day 1095: Snarkalicious clone dies and is replaced by another clone.

    2. Re:How stimulating. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Day 1182: Space police arrive and arrest me for pedophilia and murder.

    3. Re:How stimulating. by Snarkalicious · · Score: 1

      Day 1182: Space police arrive and arrest me for serial pedophilia and murder.

      (fixed...needs moar grind)

    4. Re:How stimulating. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoosh.

  24. Moonbase Alpha... Alpha Complex by Local+ID10T · · Score: 3, Funny

    Greetings Friend Citizen!

    It is the future, and you are a proud citizen of Moonbase Alpha, a moonbase run by a benevolent Computer.

    All is foreseen. All is right and just. All is good and pure. All because of The Computer.

    The Computer is Your Friend!

    Welcome to Moonbase Alpha. The Computer is Your Friend!

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    1. Re:Moonbase Alpha... Alpha Complex by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      "What are you doing? Stop it! I-i-i-i-i-... Weeee are pleased that you made it through the final challenge where we pretended we were going to murder you. We are very very happy for your success. We are throwing a party in honour of your tremendous success. Place the device on the ground, then lie on your stomach with your arms at your sides. A party associate will arrive shortly to collect you for your party. Make no further attempt to leave the testing area. Assume the 'Party Escort Submission Position' or you will miss the party."

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    2. Re:Moonbase Alpha... Alpha Complex by jimnorcal · · Score: 1

      "Greetings Starfighter" came to mind initially.

  25. Steam by Toonol · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can you get it from NASA directly? I don't allow steam on any of my machines.

    1. Re:Steam by gman003 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Why not? As far as DRM goes, Steam is the least evil. It has offline mode, so it works even if you can't access the net. It doesn't encrypt things that have been released, so you can access the game data files if you wish. It has a massive install base, so it's not going away anytime soon. I haven't heard of any major security flaws, although it is a major target for social engineering scams. It uses it's powers for good, letting you store game saves and configs in the cloud, and doesn't tie itself to a specific machine at all. It lets you opt out from any data collection. It's much more stable than it was at release, especially since it switched from the IE renderer to WebKit. It's been ported to the Mac, and may be coming to Linux.

      Really, if you're complaining about Steam, you probably don't trust Windows not to be spying on you. And if you're an active gamer, you come to realize that Steam's DRM is actually very lenient, compared to other recent games. Since almost no games get released sans DRM of some type, you may as well get over it, and choose the one that's the least evil.

    2. Re:Steam by Toze · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As far as sexual assault goes, groping is the least evil.

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    3. Re:Steam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should tax payers have to pay for DRM'd content?

    4. Re:Steam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unlike most apartment complexes protecting their assets, we only want to put a camera in your living room opposed to every room.

    5. Re:Steam by camperdave · · Score: 4, Funny

      Neither do I. Condensation wreaks havoc with the circuitry. It also encourages mould growth. Also, I go through enough trouble keeping things cool. Why would I want steam anywhere near my machines? The closest steam should get is the stuff rising from my nice hot coffee.

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    6. Re:Steam by Rogerborg · · Score: 1, Troll

      As far as bad analogies go, that's the one Hitler would have made.

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    7. Re:Steam by tabrisnet · · Score: 1

      Keeping steam and condensation out of your computers is always a good idea.

    8. Re:Steam by IICV · · Score: 1

      And the most convenient!

      The analogy works!

    9. Re:Steam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has offline mode

      So I hear, but I was never able to get it to work. When I buy a CD, I want to be able to put it in my machine and play it. I don't want to have to register, and I don't want to create any accounts, I don't want to download any advertising, and I don't want any network packets leaving my computer in order to play the game that I bought. Steam is just more of the same old DRM garbage. I, like many others, don't buy games that use Steam.

    10. Re:Steam by the+gnat · · Score: 1

      As far as sexual assault goes, groping is the least evil.

      . . . and this is exactly why the vast majority of the public (especially the female half) doesn't take geek complaints about DRM seriously.

    11. Re:Steam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is so retro! Space: 1889! Steam-powered NASA!

    12. Re:Steam by Kozz · · Score: 1

      The closest steam should get is the stuff rising from my nice hot coffee.

      <pedant>Ahem... that's water vapor, not steam.</pedant>

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    13. Re:Steam by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Ahem... that's water vapor, not steam.

      Underestimate my coffee at your own peril.

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    14. Re:Steam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My flatmate (in Australia) purchased Left 4 Dead. A few weeks later, Steam automatically replaced it with the censored Australian version. He had no choice in the matter - it automatically updated and replaced it.

      As long as you give someone else power over your computer, things like this will happen. And once they have a locked-in user base, they will get worse.

    15. Re:Steam by pinkushun · · Score: 1

      Fine if you have bandwidth.
      When you have a cap (like most here in South Africa), it's hard to share Steam games. No xcopy deployment :(

    16. Re:Steam by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Really, if you're complaining about Steam, you probably don't trust Windows not to be spying on you.

      That's reasonable. Steam and many of the games you can get from it will work in Wine.

      Steam is spyware, full stop.

      And if you're an active gamer, you come to realize that Steam's DRM is actually very lenient, compared to other recent games.

      I don't buy those games either.

      Since almost no games get released sans DRM of some type, you may as well get over it, and choose the one that's the least evil.

      That's why I buy console games, which I can resell, and indie games, which are cheap and have no DRM.

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    17. Re:Steam by malkien · · Score: 1

      Since almost no games get released sans DRM of some type, you may as well get over it, and choose the one that's the least evil.

      No.
      A growing number of independent commercial games are released multiplatform (win,mac,lin) and with no DRM whatsoever.
      Frictional Games, Basilisk Games, 2D Boy just to name a few publishers.
      I am beginning to make it my policy to avoid DRM entirely.

    18. Re:Steam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He should have clicked the check box to not have the game auto update.

      I'm sure Valve forced him not to do that as well.

    19. Re:Steam by lab16 · · Score: 1

      . . . and this is exactly why the vast majority of the public (especially the female half) doesn't take geek complaints about DRM seriously.

      Because you don't think groping is sexual assault?

    20. Re:Steam by phrostie · · Score: 1

      +1 Funny

  26. Where are my Eagles, dammit! by tekrat · · Score: 1

    No f'in way!

    NASA does NOT get to name ANY moonbase "Alpha" until we have Eagles. (Coolest space pickup trucks ever!)

    Or at least Shado Control and Interceptors. And I'll settle for a Doppleganger.
    Maybe I'm mixing up my Gerry Anderson...

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  27. Steam, but Windows-only by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    It may be on Steam but don't get your hopes up if your computer doesn't run an operating system from Redmond...

    1. Re:Steam, but Windows-only by RichMan · · Score: 3, Informative

      It depends on the game Engine.

      I am currently downloading Mass-Effect 2 onto my Ubuntu system. Used Steam to download the demo. It worked. So I bought the game.

      Anything I am going to buy from Steam I am going to want to run the demo of first to check for compatibility. Silly thing is the Steam store only works from windows. I have a really old system that gets the job done. My main system is pure Linux.

      Getting way off track here but
      Steam+demo is the best way to sell the windows games into the Linux market. Try it first, then buy. It lets you know it will work.
      STO should work according to the Wine forums. The demo did not for me. So it's out.

    2. Re:Steam, but Windows-only by Torodung · · Score: 1

      If it was BP instead of NASA, you could be sure there would be a tarball. ;^)

      I'm shocked, ,shocked that there's no DEB for Ubuntu, and I'm not even sure I'm using the old Casablanca joke there.

      I want my Linux version.

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    3. Re:Steam, but Windows-only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Silly thing is the Steam store only works from windows.

      You can buy things from the website instead of through the steam client. Fire up your browser of choice, log into steampowered.com, click buy, and away you go.

  28. Recommended System Requirements by kent_eh · · Score: 2, Informative

    Recommended System Requirements
    Win XP SP3 / Vista / Windows 7

    I wonder if it will run under WINE?

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    1. Re:Recommended System Requirements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Y'know, I installed Steam on my mac so I could get in on this sort of stuff.

      Silly me, thinking they'd actually put more mac games on it now. :P

    2. Re:Recommended System Requirements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try, and report back for a +5, informative.

    3. Re:Recommended System Requirements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean it's funded with public money and is closed source? America sure is fucked up.

    4. Re:Recommended System Requirements by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm sure if you and the other two Mac users shout loud enough, you may get something...

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    5. Re:Recommended System Requirements by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      Our UK government comes in for a lot of flak but this article from about a year ago seemed to be a move in the right direction.

      There was also a recent statement somewhere saying that government-published documents would be made available only in open formats - we'll see what happens but hopefully the new government hasn't forgotten about the hideous waste of public money that happened as a result of aborted IT projects in the Health Service due to the incompetence of private contractors.

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  29. Whalers on the moon? by scorp1us · · Score: 1

    So can the two character classes are boring lab assistant or a whaler?

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    1. Re:Whalers on the moon? by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Don't forget: Amusement park ride operator and farmer.

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  30. A dark, dark day. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That show is *nightmarishly bad*.

    Nah, it's all about perspective!

    I was five or six when that show was airing, and through the eyes of a little kid, it was the coolest and most astonishing sci-fi epic series EVER!

    (Special effects made everything look real, and since I was too young to know that adults weren't flawed, I also assumed that everything made sense but that I was just too young to get it. Everything seemed wonderful and exciting on the moon!)

    Oh, but it was a dark, dark day when I hunted down a couple of episodes of the program and watched them in my quality-discerning adulthood. Hit like a brick in the gut. Not a good memory. No sir.

    It's true, what they say. You can never go home.

    -FL

    1. Re:A dark, dark day. . . by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1

      You just described exactly my experience watching Johnny Sako and his Flying Robot. Killing fond childhood memories is not a good thing.

    2. Re:A dark, dark day. . . by Agripa · · Score: 1

      I thought Johnny Sako and his Flying Robot held up better than Space 1999.

  31. "engage and educate students" by macraig · · Score: 1

    So... no invites for old-fart Martian tourists who lost their return ticket and just need to hitch a ride home?

  32. Obviously this game was contracted for... by MaggieL · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    ...before Unka Obama told the Space Kidz he wouldn't pay for their trip to Teh Moon.

    You know, when he was still lying about it before the election, so gullible nerds would support him.

     

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    1. Re:Obviously this game was contracted for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...before Unka Obama told the Space Kidz he wouldn't pay for their trip to Teh Moon.

      You know, when he was still lying about it before the election, so gullible nerds would support him.

      Sadly, what probably happened with that was something along the lines of "Oh shit! The country is in even worse shape than we were led to believe. We'll have to table the idealistic plans for NASA for now and try to repair at least some of the damage that has been done."

    2. Re:Obviously this game was contracted for... by Snarkalicious · · Score: 1

      Strange...

      It's always seemed to me that the general mood at this and other such boards are largely dismissive of moon missions as a valuable component of future NASA endeavors. (been there/done that, sustainability issues etc etc)

      Why would this policy change, therefore, drop his numbers among the Nerd community?

  33. Are we going to give them a medal too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really if NASA had not been dicking around since the 80's their reputation would make people want to work for them, Instead apparently they have been making video games of stuff they could not accomplish in the last 60 years

    any more tax money you could piss into the wind?

  34. Ha, is that where my tax dollars are going... by Sulik · · Score: 2, Insightful

    nice.

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  35. Win XP only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Minimum System Requirements
      Win XP SP3

    Seems they are only interested in engaging and inspiring today’s tech-savvy students who use Windows.

  36. Moonbase 2, Jazz to it by sexconker · · Score: 1

    Jazz: Jazz to Moonbase 2, Jazz to Moonbase 2!
    Bumblebee: Bumblebee and Spike here.
    Jazz: We're about to send out the shuttle. Any Decepticon shenanigans in your area?
    Bumblebee: All clear, Jazz.
    Spike: Hey Ironhide, tell my son Daniel I miss him. And tell him not to worry; I'll be coming home as soon as we kick Megatron's tail across the Galaxy!
    Ironhide: Will do, Spike.
    Optimus Prime: Cliffjumper, commence countdown.
    Cliffjumper: Five... four... three...two... one! Blast off!!
    Optimus Prime: Now, all we need is a little energon... and a lot of luck.

  37. Re:This is NOT part of NASA's new mission priority by MaWeiTao · · Score: 1

    The director himself considers that his most important mission. I don't have a problem at all with feel-good campaigns. But first, it's not the responsibility of the United States to remind Muslims of their own history. And second, it even less the responsibility of an agency like NASA to get involved in any of this.

    And it's nonsense anyway. It's like thanking Christianity for America's achievements. I mean, if you're going to argue that Islam is not responsible for terrorism, individual nuts are, then you can't go and argue that Islam is responsible for academic advancements.

    Regarding the game... It looks cool and it's no different than Space Camp. It's a marketing tool designed to make kids interested in space exploration. It is unfortunate that it's Windows only and that I need Steam in order to download it.

  38. D'oh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I the only one that was incredibly disappointed, after following the link in my RSS, to find that this article was about a video game, and not an actual moonbase?

  39. This is government-funded—where's the source by hackel · · Score: 1

    I think this is a *great* idea, but I do not find it even remotely acceptable for government money to be spent on closed-source software, especially when that proprietary software requires me to purchase a proprietary operating system to run it on. It appears to have been developed by or in cooperation with some private company called "Virtual Heroes". We need to do something about this, and demand that all the source code be released...

  40. Moon landings faked with this? by youngec · · Score: 1

    Moonbase Alpha? Is that supposed to be the latest version of software that NASA used to fake the moon landings? Geez, you'd think they'd be up to Moonbase Beta by now..

  41. Online? I don't think so! by filesiteguy · · Score: 1

    I went to the link. Apparently you have to download a windows executable to make it work. How is that online? Seems like a client-server app to me.

    People still use Windows?

  42. Re:This is government-funded—where's the sou by filesiteguy · · Score: 3, Informative

    File a Freedom of Information (http://www.justice.gov/oip/) request.

    I work for Los Angeles County and we do not give out our source code without one. We have given out the source but it involves several legal issues and "hold harmless" agreements that are way above me. (I'm not condoning or condemning the process, just stating what has happened in the past.)

  43. Anyone remember this NASA Moon game? by RevWaldo · · Score: 1

    Survival on the Moon

    You and two of your crew are returning to the base ship on the sunlit side of the moon after carrying out a 72-hour exploration trip. Your small rocket craft has crash-landed about 300 kilometers from the base ship. You and the crew need to reach the base ship. In addition to your spacesuits, your crew was able to remove the following items from the rocket craft:

    4 packages of food concentrate
    20m nylon rope
    1 portable heating unit
    1 magnetic compass
    1 box of matches
    1 first-aid kit
    2 50-kg tanks of oxygen
    20 L of water
    1 star chart
    1 case of dehydrated milk
    1 solar-powered radio set
    3 signal flares
    1 large piece of insulating fabric
    1 flashlight
    2 45-caliber pistols, loaded

    Using what you know about the moon, rate each item in the above list according to how important it would be in getting you back to the base ship. List the most important first, the least important last. Number them 1 through 15. Answer the following:
    - - Which three items were the most important? Explain.
    - - Which items would be useless? Explain your answer.

    Compare your list with the one supplied by NASA. Astronauts would list the items in this order.

    To score your list against the astronauts' list, do the following:

    Beside each item on your list place the number that represents the difference between your ranking and the astronauts' ranking. For example, if you listed oxygen first, you would write 0 in front of oxygen on your list. If you had listed it third, then you would write 2, and so on.
    After placing a score beside each item on your list, add up the individual scores to get a total. Compare your score with those of other students.

    What is your total score?

    The lower your total score, the closer you came to surviving the return trip to the base ship. How did your chance of surviving compare to other students' chances?

    Conclusions:

    - - What does the moon lack that humans need for survival?
    - - What materials would you need to survive on the moon?

    .

  44. Re:Online? I don't think so! by bjartur · · Score: 1

    Seems like a client-server app to me.

    Hence online. Except you define "online" as will run inside a tiny subwindow of your /browser/ -- without annoying Windoze-XP style "Are you sure?" pop-ups!

  45. Great if they used this for input & problemsol by jbeach · · Score: 1

    Give people limited resources, emergency situations and see what they come up with as the best plans to solve it; or gave people the options to actually architect sites based on the best geographical features, design efficiency, possibility of using fossil water, etc.

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  46. Somewhat worrying installation by MWoody · · Score: 1

    "Installing AMD dual core optimizer" (from the game installation)

    Uh, game, I know you can't see that "Intel Inside" sticker, but still, I can save you some time...

    I generally like Steam, but I really miss the option of a custom install from pre-Steam games. I've lost count of the number of times I've had to sit and watch DirectX and the Microsoft redistributable unpack their entire installation, run, and of course immediately quit, discovering their target already up to date. And doesn't automatically downloading a brand new copy of these with every game installation really defeat - or at least marginalize - their purpose?

  47. VAC enabled? by TypoNAM · · Score: 3, Funny

    I find it funny that it says the game is "Valve Anti-Cheat enabled" on the Steam product page. So, what exactly are people doing to cheat in this moon base simulator game?

    Cause I just hate it when I'm bunny hopping along on the moon's surface and suddenly get head-shotted by some kid using an aimbot. ;)

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    1. Re:VAC enabled? by TheRedDuke · · Score: 1

      I'm coding an exploit right now that will produce drinkable pee at twice the rate of the ISS device.

    2. Re:VAC enabled? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's just legal speak for "We've installed a rootkit, and your box belongs to us now"

  48. Now all we need is Virtual Xenopathogens to breed. by PDX · · Score: 1

    We need a Sim version of this base to get male astronauts pregnant with green babies. I've had all I can of virtual worlds. NASA has finally jumped the shark. When their most efficient efforts can be outdone by an Armadillo or a Dragon things are looking really sad.

  49. Re:Online? I don't think so! by filesiteguy · · Score: 1

    Online usually refers to - well - online apps that don't require a client installed on your system.

    Sorry, maybe I'm old-school.

  50. Re:This is NOT part of NASA's new mission priority by locallyunscene · · Score: 1

    Not only that, ScentCone posts the same trollish article twice(at least) and gets modded up for it twice. Mods are either asleep thinking he was linking to the actual new direction he wants NASA to go in or are convinced this is Obama's secret Muslim tendencies revealing themselves.

  51. "NASA MMO" - End game strategies by Snufu · · Score: 3, Funny

    The first player to have his his project canceled wins.

  52. whatchu' taklin' about Willis? by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Obviously the Moon is a Muslim world.

    There's craters everywhere and everything's dead.


    (.sig doesn't apply in this case...)

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    1. Re:whatchu' taklin' about Willis? by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      Well, they do have a crescent moon as one of their symbols.

      RE: my previous post
      You folks wouldn't know humor if it bit you on the ass.

    2. Re:whatchu' taklin' about Willis? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RE: my previous post
      You folks wouldn't know humor if it bit you on the ass.

      PSSSssst! *sotto voce* They're sekrit mooslems like the president.

  53. Re:This is NOT part of NASA's new mission priority by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    um...did you miss the direct quote from Mr. Bolden?

    "When I became the NASA administrator, [Obama] charged me with three things. One, he wanted me to help re-inspire children to want to get into science and math; he wanted me to expand our international relationships; and third, and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science, math, and engineering."

    I would think his foremost priorities should involve, oh I dunno, Aeronautics and Space? Since when is NASA supposed to help people feel good about shit?

  54. Brainless by fm6 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Oh for crissakes. This is a stupid article that draws together two unrelated events. The first is an interview with Al-Jazera which (surprise!) emphasizes NASA's importance to the Muslim world. Which isn't all that big, but what do you expect him to say?

    Then the writer manages to tie in this interview with Obama's Cairo speech which doesn't even mention NASA. Since this happened at about the same time, it somehow "proves" that Obama is only interested in NASA for helping him make nice with the Arabs.

    Brainless.

    1. Re:Brainless by the+gnat · · Score: 1

      Even more brainless is that the same commenter posted the same link a total of four times in this thread, and got modded up twice. The author of the article, Byron York, is a writer for National Review, which would probably accuse Obama of pandering to Muslims if he wasn't personally drowning Arab infants in pig urine on live TV. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that either Bolden misspoke, or York is quoting the interview very selectively.

    2. Re:Brainless by tkrotchko · · Score: 1

      Rather than debate what was said and not said, just watch the video. People will draw their own conclusions:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlcNUq77_LM

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    3. Re:Brainless by fm6 · · Score: 1

      The issue isn't what was said. The issue is the total nonsense the Examiner article manages to infer from what was said.

  55. No, you're missing the big picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NASA stands for National Aeronautics & Space Administration. That sums up their name and mission.

    But yet our smart, progressive president says their primary mission is to make the Muslim world feel better about their scientific achievements. And that doesn't bother you? We can't go to the moon or mars, but we can make the Muslims feel all better inside.

    Thank heavens he's a one-termer.

    1. Re:No, you're missing the big picture by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      I've heard some moronic attacks on Obama, but this really takes the cake.

      It's not like he's not giving you any -real- ammunition to use. Why not attack him for things that are real rather than lala-land fantasy conspiracy stuff?

  56. NASA, please buy the rights to SimMars by Y-Crate · · Score: 1

    Still waiting...

  57. Lag is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ping is over 9000.

  58. not the news of the day by z-j-y · · Score: 1

    todays' news about NASA is that its primary function is to make muslims happy.

    of course, you won't see that on Slashdot, MSNBC or Huffintonpost.

  59. Our garden simulator was a step towards this by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    That game is something I wish I had worked on. My wife and I built a garden simulator in the 1990s, in part because it was a step to a space simulator, because in space you would still have to grow your own food if you wanted to "live off the land". We even have one extra backdrop set in an O'Neill habitat. I talked with someone at NASA about related ideas a decade ago, but NASA seemed more conservative then in some ways (with most resources tied up in the shuttle). Given the NASA game was written with tax dollars, I wonder, does NASA make its source available under a FOSS license? We did that with our garden simulator. http://gardenwithinsight.com/ Maybe NASA is hiring? :-) It would be great to work on the next version. I want to see a simulation game out of NASA about self-replicating space habitats (that duplicate themsleves from sunlight and asteroidal ores) and which covers some other post-scarcity issues. It's too bad when I graduated from college in the 1980s NASA pretty much had a hiring freeze.

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    1. Re:Our garden simulator was a step towards this by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Hope it works in wine. I've been working on ideas for a puzzle game where you build permaculture guilds.

      Ugh, it does work in wine, now I wish it didn't. Did anyone ever actually play this game through this terrible interface? As anything other than punishment? If I had a child I could see making them "play" it when they were grounded.

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    2. Re:Our garden simulator was a step towards this by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

      Thanks for trying it. I appreciate any frank feedback. I agree it could be improved (we did make the source available under the GPL -- there is a lot under the hood, like the various models). We ran out of funds to continue it and had to take jobs at IBM to pay back money we had borrowed for living expenses to develop it (and that killed any momentum we had on it). As two middle class people, my wife and I poured more than six person years of our time into that to try to help kids have some better educational tools (back when people were still questioning why there were few non-violent simulations out there or stuff girls might like or even organic agriculture or environmentalism). There is a lot more to that program for teenagers and adults when you get into it (too much, really), and remember, this was written about fifteen years ago. I could do way better now. It was mainly just too ambitious -- it does all sorts of scientific-related things moving through three levels of increasing abstract representation (direct manipulation, inspecting, graphing). It's much more a simulator (microworld, see Papert) than a game (there is no score etc..)

      PlantStudio is another program that came out of that approach, that also should run under Wine, and is a step forward in interface (for the time), and many people have liked, though again it is dated.
          http://www.kurtz-fernhout.com/PlantStudio/
      Downloadable here:
          http://www.kurtz-fernhout.com/download_new.html
      Between the two, PlantStudio, which uses the same basic algorithms but with a simpler interface focused on just one thing, generated much more excitement (but we were unable to follow it up much as we were busy working at IBM). Examples of user comments from back then:
          http://www.kurtz-fernhout.com/PlantStudio/userssay.htm
      "An excellent example of educational expertise.... It is an excellent adjunct for general modeling, especially in the creation of scenes."

      So, we were learning. But it got cut off because, back then, it was hard to get any funders to see the value of educational computer simulations (especially ones that were open source). That's what's great about NASA finally putting money into these sorts of things.

      I have Java ports of both those partially complete (don't know if they will ever be finished, because, as you suggest, the GUI could be improved, which makes a straight port kind of pointless, but means more work to redesign it).

      By the way, on good parenting and education without too much "grounding" or "bribes" or very much forcing kids to learn stuff they don't want to study right then: :-)
      http://www.holtgws.com/whatisunschoolin.html
      http://www.alfiekohn.org/books/pbr.htm
      http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/toc1.htm

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  60. Pointless Game by rally2xs · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Really pointless for anything American to be thinking of space travel. After the final shuttle missions this year, we will never get into space again. Our NASA administrator has been given the main task of making the muslims happy, and the president has cut the funding for people in space. Meanwhile, the freakin' economy is still collapsing, slowly, and you'll never get congress to institute the cure - the Fair Tax would get us out of this mess overnight.

  61. Re:This is NOT part of NASA's new mission priority by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

    You do realize that your source, the SF Examiner, is a right-wing tabloid that makes Fox News look like a neutral and well-balanced news source, right?

  62. Oh FFS by Torodung · · Score: 1

    Down boy. We want to run the game without running Steam. It should be possible. Easy even.

    I don't care about how inoffensive or supposedly advantageous Steam is, what you have said has been said in every comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.* group for about 5 years now. There have been flame wars in .action. We've all read it. Anyone who's made the choice to live without Steam has been thoroughly, and mostly unwillingly, briefed.

    Simply put, I don't want Steam, and neither does the GP. We just want the NASA game. If you haven't gotten the point, please get it. We don't want to join your cult. You guys are like freaking Amway dealers, or iLife fans. Please, no Steam. We abstain.

    How bout it, NASA, maybe you "get it?" No unnecessary supernumeraries. What's so hard about an MSI package, or even a damned SFX 7z file?

    Thanks for not posting more Valve sales copy in response to this message.

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    1. Re:Oh FFS by gman003 · · Score: 1

      NASA probably has a very good reason for handing distribution over to Valve. Most likely because they do it better.

      Whenever the US government tries to distribute files larger than half a gig, they run into problems. I remember being unable to download the first America's Army because the website couldn't handle the demand. I was trying to do so several months after release. I can only imagine how bad it would be near release, or from another country. NASA probably doesn't have many web servers outside the US. Steam does.

      NASA probably doesn't give a shit about DRM. As in, they don't care. If it's added, fine. If it isn't, fine. They just handed distribution over to a company that's quite good at it.

      Not only that, but apparently they used a few of the Steam libraries, adding leaderboards and stat tracking, plus the VAC anticheat system. So, they have a good reason to distribute on Steam - the game works better that way.

      As a final bonus, they got a lot more coverage this way. I first learned of the game via Steam announcement, and it's likely that many people did as well.

      Finally, most gamers don't care. Moonbase Alpha is a video game. It is targeted, essentially, at gamers, and gamers generally have no problem with Steam. It has about 70% of the Digital Distribution market. So, while you may not like Steam, you probably aren't in the target audience.

      I understand your complaint. You want something NASA made, without extra baggage. I get that. It is, in fact, a bit odd that there isn't a non-Steam version. Most likely, it's either in-progress, or is considered a non-priority.

      After all, it's just a game. NASA has better things to do.

    2. Re:Oh FFS by Toonol · · Score: 1

      Finally, most gamers don't care. Moonbase Alpha is a video game. It is targeted, essentially, at gamers, and gamers generally have no problem with Steam. It has about 70% of the Digital Distribution market. So, while you may not like Steam, you probably aren't in the target audience.

      Well, I'm not, since the target audience is apparently defined as "people with Steam". I'm a gamer, interested in the subject and genre, and it's irritating to be excluded from a publicly-funded project just because I want to keep my system clean of a private company's DRM and digital surveillance. It would be just as much of an annoyance if you had to have, for instance, iTunes installed to download and run it.

  63. Sounds interesting ... by ProfM · · Score: 1

    But I'll wait for the sequel: MoonUnit Zappa

  64. Re:This is NOT part of NASA's new mission priority by the+gnat · · Score: 1

    The director himself considers that his most important mission.

    No, the National Review propagandist who wrote the article quoted an interview with Al Jazeera that claimed the director said this. Even if it's an accurate quote and not pulled out of context (which given the source, I doubt), it doesn't reveal anything other than Bolden's crappy media skills. It's awfully credulous of right-wingers to immediately take this at face value, considering that they've spent the last year-and-a-half denouncing everyone who even considered voting for Obama as delusional, besotted fools.

  65. Re:Now all we need is Virtual Xenopathogens to bre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can hear it right now, complete with the late Derek Wadsworth's "Disco Porno" soundtrack: You LEFT us to ROT...with VENUUUUUUSIAN PLAAAAAAGUE!

  66. Re:This is NOT part of NASA's new mission priority by trout007 · · Score: 1

    I hoped that when NASA was going to look for groups to have an outreach with that lesbians would have been higher than muslims.

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  67. Re:This is NOT part of NASA's new mission priority by fche · · Score: 1

    "...Even if it's an accurate quote..."

    Dude, see the first two minutes of the posted video.

  68. Foremost Priority by kenh · · Score: 1, Troll

    More importantly, how does this effort help those people in Muslim countries feel about their culture's contribution to the understanding of science and medicine? According to the head of NASA, that is their 'foremost priority'!

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  69. Instead of debating by tkrotchko · · Score: 1

    Instead of debating what was and wasn't said, here's the clip here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlcNUq77_LM

    It's not a 10 second clip, it's about 2-3 minutes long so you can understand the context and decide for yourself what the director meant.

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    You were mistaken. Which is odd, since memory shouldn't be a problem for you
  70. Re:This is NOT part of NASA's new mission priority by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    the same trollish article

    Trollish? How is linking video of NASA's director saying the actual words trollish? How can you not find it outrageous that the guy running NASA is being used in this ridiculous way? Do you really find this sort of crap to be in keeping with NASA's role and purpose? Do you really think that billions of Muslims will like the US more if we tell them how think about themselves and their history? Oh, and nice straw man there, with the whole Obama-secret-Muslim thing. Way to deflect from the incredible hamfisted-ness and tone deaf condescension on display from the administration.

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  71. Re:This is NOT part of NASA's new mission priority by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    It's awfully credulous of right-wingers to immediately take this at face value, considering that they've spent the last year-and-a-half denouncing everyone who even considered voting for Obama as delusional, besotted fools.

    Yes, well, just watch the video so you can relax about all of that. The director seems quite sincere in his description of what the president told him about his three new priorities (of which the "make Muslims feel better about themselves" was the "foremost").

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    Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
  72. We're Whalers on the Moon. by Riddler+Sensei · · Score: 1

    A friend of mine and I installed the game and instantly joined a PuGed group. All we did was steal the rovers, do sick moon jumps off of small ledges, and sing "We're Whalers on the Moon"...much to the chagrin of our "teammates". I think NASA taught everyone in that game something valuable.

  73. Re:This is NOT part of NASA's new mission priority by the+gnat · · Score: 1

    The director seems quite sincere

    And we all know that a career bureaucrat would never, ever lie to the media. Can you show me any evidence that NASA has actually acted (or wasted money on) this supposed "priority"?

    You're so quick to believe this because it confirms your biases, but every time Obama or one of his political appointees tries to pander to the free-market crowd by talking about privatizing launch vehicles, every right winger screams "bullshit!" (And for all I know you're correct; it seems just as probable to me that he's trying to fuck over the politically connected contractors who've grown fat off NASA contracts.) Meanwhile, he's ordering drones into Pakistan to kill Taliban, along with more than a few civilians, and the pseudo-conservatives accuse him of caring too much about Muslim public opinion because he gave a speech in Cairo.

  74. Re:This is government-funded—where's the sou by jrincayc · · Score: 1

    If they didn't develop the game engine, then just open sourcing the graphics and models would give a good start on developing a full open source replacement.

  75. Re:This is NOT part of NASA's new mission priority by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    You're so quick to believe this because it confirms your biases

    Actually, no. What I'm doing is pointing out the specific things that he said. There's no "believe" involved. So, which is worse, then? That he really was told what he says he was told, or that he runs NASA, and would lie to the public about what (his words here) the president tasked him with doing? It's one or the other, neither of which is a good thing. Either he's telling the truth (which makes his boss seem like a fatuous twit), or he's lying (which makes his boss, the guy who appointed him to the job, seem like he's made a really poor choice).

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  76. Re:This is NOT part of NASA's new mission priority by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    You do realize that your source, the SF Examiner...

    You do realize that the actual source is video tape of the NASA director explaining this in clear, certain terms. Right?

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  77. All your moonbase are belong to us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All of them

  78. I thought the only thing that NASA launches by zlel · · Score: 1

    were rockets!

  79. Steam is not available on your platform. by lightversusdark · · Score: 1

    Steam quit unexpectedly.
    Click Reopen to open the application again. Click Report to see more detailed information and send a report to Apple.
     
    Yes, this message does pop up after the 30,818KB download.

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    1. Re:Steam is not available on your platform. by Mister+Kay · · Score: 0

      System Requirements
      Minimum
      OS: Win XP SP3

      That probably should have been your first clue.

  80. NASA and an MMO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    should like an Icarus planet problem like on Stargate universe.
    "Eli Wallace (David Blue) solves a mathematical equation in an online computer game, planted there by Stargate Command."

  81. Can we throw rocks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn it, big rocks! Hit 'em hard!

  82. I'll play on condition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that I can be on Moon Unit Zappa ;-)

  83. Re:This is NOT part of NASA's new mission priority by locallyunscene · · Score: 1

    I don't think it's outrageous, no. I think it's more outrageous that you care to misinterpret the statement to create controversy. NASA wants to encourage Muslim countries to participate in international space programs. This fits pretty well with NASA's role and purpose for the last 20 years or so. I doubt you would have bothered if he had said "African countries" but because we got the "Muslim" buzzword in there it's perfect for spreading FUD.

  84. Re:This is NOT part of NASA's new mission priority by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    The director didn't say that this was about getting the Muslim culture to participate in international space programs. He said it was about "making them feel good" about their history, relative to science, math, and engineering.

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  85. Re:This is NOT part of NASA's new mission priority by blair1q · · Score: 1

    Since when is NASA supposed to help people feel good about shit?

    Since it stopped being the sixth branch of the military and became a political football.

  86. Fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As fun as this was, the only thing that makes you play it again is to try and top the scoreboards. At the current playerbase, it was quite easy. Just waiting for someone to beat us and then we'll go again I guess. Would be nice with more types of gameplay and/or locations though.

  87. moon base by sixsixtysix · · Score: 1

    how about getting to work on an actual moon base instead?

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  88. Sorry it isn't flamebait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not flamebait to say:

    So you're okay with the primary mission of NASA to make Muslim nations proud of their heritage?

    They might as well shut the thing down at this point.

  89. Re:Online? I don't think so! by bjartur · · Score: 1

    You've can download, press OK and run an executable EXE or download an HTML file that links to an executable JavaScript program, skip the prompting and run it in a sandbox.

    EXE don't /have/ to be self extracting archives, though they often are.

  90. Re:Online? I don't think so! by bjartur · · Score: 1

    Why exactly doesn't installing into the cache count?