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High Fructose Corn Syrup To Get a Makeover

An anonymous reader writes "With its sweetener linked to obesity, some cancers and diabetes, the Corn Refiners Association (CRA) doesn't want you to think 'fructose' when you see high fructose corn syrup in your soda, ketchup or pickles. Instead, the AP reports, the CRA submitted an application to the FDA, hoping to change the name of their top-selling product to 'corn sugar.'"

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  1. What the hell? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "With its sweetener linked to obesity, some cancers and diabetes, the Corn Refiners Association (CRA) doesn't want you to think 'fructose' when you see high fructose corn syrup in your soda, ketchup or pickles. Instead, the AP reports, the CRA submitted an application to the FDA, hoping to change the name of their top-selling product to 'corn sugar.'"

    What's in a name? High-fructose corn syrup by any other name would taste as sweet ... and still make your cancer cells multiply.

    And here thought that fraud and false advertising was illegal in this country. If the Feds go for this then they're not doing their jobs.

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    1. Re:What the hell? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Funny thing is, it's not as if high-fructose corn syrup is actually worse for you than a similar amount of cane sugar. The problem is not HFCS as much as it is "foods loaded with sugar."

      That's not necessarily true.

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    2. Re:What the hell? by PCM2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Funny thing is, it's not as if high-fructose corn syrup is actually worse for you than a similar amount of cane sugar. The problem is not HFCS as much as it is "foods loaded with sugar."

      Maybe, maybe not. While your essential point is sound, from TFA:

      When glucose (contained in sugar) enters the bloodstream, it stimulates production of insulin and of a hormone called leptin, which signals to the brain that the body has eaten enough. By contrast, the fructose contained in high fructose corn syrup doesn’t stimulate the production of leptin. Studies also show that fructose is processed into fat more quickly than is glucose.

      A friend of mine made a related point, though. These days you see a lot of things like so-called "natural" sodas which claim to be sweetened with "evaporated cane syrup." I defy anybody to give me a scientific explanation why this is not merely sugar with another name. If sugar is too scary for "health" foods, it stands to reason that "high fructose corn syrup" should be too scary a name for junk food. Why should junk food makers be left out? (More to the point, why should the companies who sell their sodas at Whole Foods get away with it?)

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    3. Re:What the hell? by value_added · · Score: 3, Funny

      What's in a name?

      Well, would you be inclined buy something accurately labelled as "soy juice", or would you buy "soy milk" instead? Personally, I prefer moo cow fuck milk for both the honesty and the wholesome goodness, with the added benefit of not spending my time reading manufacturer labels.

    4. Re:What the hell? by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And yet soda with HFCS triggers craving with me that is absent when drinking real sugar soda. So who the hell cares about the specifics of the chemistry?

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    5. Re:What the hell? by treeves · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Everyone knows what it is. Would you say that coconut *milk* and peanut *butter* are misnomers as well?

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    6. Re:What the hell? by sjames · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Evaporated cane syrup is not the same as sugar. It's not cooked and doesn't have the molasses spun out. The name is fairly descriptive. It could be argued that evaporated sugarcane syrup might be even clearer, but there doesn't appear to be an intent to deceive.

      On the other hand, renaming HFCS which is descriptive and is well known by consumers to some other name seems more deceptive in intent. It's fairly clear the intent is to create confusion so that people consume something they have consciously decided to avoid. If they want to come up with a substantially different product and call that corn sugar, that would be another matter.

    7. Re:What the hell? by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I guess you're not a big fan of fresh fruits then?

    8. Re:What the hell? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not fraud, technically it is sugar. Anyone who actually cares about it (apparently you think it gives you cancer) will realize the change.

      I point-blank did not say that corn syrup causes cancer: nor, I might add, did the article I linked. Guess you didn't bother to read it.

      I just said the two aren't the same. Yes, chemically they are all "sugars" but that doesn't mean we can't be specific, nor does it mean that all compounds in that family have the same effect on the human body. Considering that just about everything we eat in this country is over-sweetened with either "real" sugar or corn syrup, it would be nice to have some idea if one is worse than the other, and why.

      I avoid all kinds of sugar on general principle (I use unsweetened ketchup, unsweetened fruit juices ... I really try hard to avoid the stuff.) Unsweetened foods are hard to find and often more expensive, but I know what they can do to me. Maybe I'm more aware of the risks than most, because my father died of complications from diabetes. But, if that study is correct and fructose does cause certain cancer cells to divide more rapidly, well that could (for example) be something for cancer patients to be aware of when planning their menu. It wouldn't surprise me to find that increased use of corn syrup in the past few decades has increased the prevalence of certain kinds of cancer, and we may very well find other significant differences between cane sugar and corn syrup: more research is needed.

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    9. Re:What the hell? by nizo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I also noticed that when I stopped eating crap that had HFCS in it, I no longer got drowsy in the afternoon. In fact I can tell right away when I've eaten something with HFCS in it, as I inevitably get drowsy not long afterwards. Needless to say I avoid it like the plague now, and so far have lost 40lbs since I stopped eating it.

    10. Re:What the hell? by Relic+of+the+Future · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That reaction is not as trivial to the body as you make it out to be; nor is that 10% imbalance. Eating lots of sugar is bad, yes; but eating lots high-fructose sugar is worse, *measurably* worse, in several biologically-significant ways. Additionally, preliminary research suggest that some of the trace byproducts of the "fructinization" process (methylated something or others) could also have quite a disproportionately-negative effect compared to their small concentration.

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    11. Re:What the hell? by ScottBob · · Score: 4, Informative

      When HFCS is produced, enzymes are used to break down starch into glucose and fructose. After the process, the enzymes are removed. Problem is, they don't get out all the enzymes. Therefore, when you suck down that giant sized cola at your local chain franchise joint on hamburger row, not only does the HFCS go straight into your bloodstream without needing to be broken down by your body's natural sucrose enzymes, the leftover enzymes combine with the extra large order of fries you just wolfed down, combining with your own natural enzymes to break the potato starch down quicker, therefore even more glucose and fructose goes into your bloodstream very quickly, causing one hell of a blood sugar spike, to where your pancreas can't put out enough insulin to get rid of the overload of glucose (and your liver is totally occupied with the overload of fructose so it can't process the cholesterol from the burger) and blammo, type II diabetes.

    12. Re:What the hell? by Pharmboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      High fructose corn syrup != fructose.

      HFC doesn't exist in nature, fructose does. Just as hydrogenated shortening (transfats) don't exist in nature but butter and lard does. And look it up your self, there is plenty out there with a simple Googling.

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    13. Re:What the hell? by nizo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And not according to these guys either:

      http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/

    14. Re:What the hell? by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is, regular corn syrup more rightfully deserves the name "corn sugar". However, corn syrup and high fructose corn syrup are completely different animals.

      Taking the word "fructose" out suggests that HFCS is somehow a natural sugar obtained from corn, then processed into granular form, much as sugar is formed by filtering out everything but the sucrose from sugar cane syrup and leaving the remaining granular sucrose. Such an implication would be an outright deception. Corn syrup, as it comes out of the plant, does not contain significant amounts of fructose. It is basically glucose syrup. High fructose corn syrup, by contrast, is corn syrup in which much of the glucose has been enzymatically converted into fructose. It resembles corn syrup about as closely as a plastic toy resembles its original form after you soak it in gasoline for a few hours.

      Having the word "fructose" in the name of this ingredient is key to explaining how this differs from corn syrup. Eliminating the word "fructose" would have the potential to cause significant confusion, and any such proposal should be soundly rejected. I'd be okay with them calling it "high fructose corn sugar" if they would prefer, or maybe even "fructose-enhanced corn sugar", but if they think they can get away with concealing fructose as an ingredient, they have another thing coming. Either way, you know something is very wrong when an industry attempts to conceal its activities through name changes. That's tantamount to admitting guilt.

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    15. Re:What the hell? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe that's because the corn syrup soda tastes better? Even if it were possible to have cravings for soda, that doesn't mean cancer is growing in you.

      You must not have been around before the switch to corn syrup. Coca Cola was awesome back then.

      Secondly, cancer is growing in all of us, all the time. Out of the trillions of cells that comprise the human body, some number of them are going to be malfunctioning at any given time. The reason we don't all die of tumors shortly after birth is because the immune system identifies them and eliminates them.

      Any food product which has the capacity to make cancer cells divide even more quickly than they already do (which, according to that study I linked, is an attribute of corn syrup but not regular sugar) is certainly worth avoiding.

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    16. Re:What the hell? by Pharmboy · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm neither a Chemist nor a nutritionist, so corrections are welcome!

      According to Wikipedia:

      Refineries, often located nearer to consumers in North America, Europe, and Japan, then produce refined white sugar, which is 99 percent sucrose.

      As soon as I saw your comment, I knew something was wrong with that. Table sugar is pure sucrose, for all intent and purpose. Fructose is also very different than High Fructose Corn Syrup, which itself is around 55% fructose. The fructose isn't the problem (it occurs in nature) its the process that is used that creates products that are NOT found in nature. Just as hydrogenation turns good old fashioned corn oil into artery clogging transfats. There is some credible evidence that it screws up your appetite and makes you crave even more, which isn't good.

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    17. Re:What the hell? by Sulphur · · Score: 3, Funny

      I say we petition the government to outlaw glucose as well. ;)

      And while you are at it, outlaw livers (glucose pushers) as well.

    18. Re:What the hell? by maxume · · Score: 2, Informative

      The stuff that comes out of the plant is starch, apparently it is converted to glucose using enzymes.

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    19. Re:What the hell? by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      HFCS does exist in nature. It's called honey, which is a solution of sugars with nearly the exact same sugar composition as HFCS.

    20. Re:What the hell? by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 4, Informative

      Funny thing is, back in the day they would have preferred "high fructose corn syrup" over "corn sugar" because the stigma carried by the word "sugar."

      The stigma was so bad that the famous cereal Sugar Pops dropped the word from its name and was renamed to the Corn Pops that we enjoyed with our Thundercats and G.I. Joe. Another example is Sugar Smacks, which was renamed to Honey Smacks.

      Also: Kentucky Fried Chicken successfully pushed to be known as just "KFC" because of the stigma surrounding the word "fried."

    21. Re:What the hell? by RoFLKOPTr · · Score: 3, Informative

      You must not have been around before the switch to corn syrup. Coca Cola was awesome back then.

      And Pepsi Throwback and Heritage Dr Pepper are awesome today. It's unfortunate that they only make them in occasional limited batches.

      I don't much care for Mt Dew Throwback, though. The HFCS version is my favorite soft drink and the real sugar I guess just doesn't taste artificial enough.

    22. Re:What the hell? by Cwix · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Even if it were possible to have cravings for soda

      wtf?

      You honestly don't believe you can have cravings for soda?

      Do a google search for things like soda craving, caffeine addiction, or even soda addiction. Caffeine is an addictive substance, and you will even have withdrawal symptoms from it if you give it up quickly. What do most sodas contain? The ones that dont are things like some root beers, and some lemon lime sodas (Sprite and 7-up). You dont see many people who drink those continuously, like you do the caffeine addicts with the Coke and the Mt. Dew.

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    23. Re:What the hell? by pete-classic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ah-ha! You found me out!

      Oh, wait, no you didn't. Sucrose is not an alternative to fructose and glucose, it is a combination of them. From the linked article:

      In sucrose, the component glucose and fructose are linked via an ether bond between C1 on the glucosyl subunit and C2 on the fructosyl unit. The bond is called a glycosidic linkage.

      The rest of your post is 99% pure nonsense. Transfats are chemically altered forms of vegetable oil. It isn't the processing, per se, it is -- objectively, demonstrably, and verifiably -- the altered chemical composition that causes the deleterious effects to health.

      As for fructose being natural, this is quite irrelevant. All objections to HFCS that I've heard that even begin to be credible cite processing of fructose in the liver as origin of the supposed problem. If fructose is perfectly safe, then HFCS is 10% BETTER than sucrose, since it contains that much less glucose, the only other molecule found in either compound. But that can't be right, either, since (by your logic) glucose occurs in nature and, (more convincingly) it's the only form of energy the body can directly use.

      To address the 1% of your post that isn't twaddle, it seems to me that there is one possible way that HFCS can cause appetite to malfunction. I suggested that sucrose and HFCS are practically identical from a metabolic point of view by the time they hit the bloodstream, to which you made no counter-argument. But, to the extent that appetite is tied to the interaction of the molecules with the body before digestion -- in the mouth, or even in the stomach -- it is possible that some "evil" lurks. But I'm unconvinced.

      I'm sorry if I've been flippant in this post. While I do sincerely want correction where I'm wrong, I am quite disinterested in poorly researched, poorly thought-out, and flatly wrong-on-their-face counter-arguments.

      -Peter

    24. Re:What the hell? by tabrnaker · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nearly the same isn't the same, so doesn't exist in nature. However, if you've ever done the master cleanse with sugar cane juice, maple syrup, and honey, you can see that the body seems to react to honey similarly.

    25. Re:What the hell? by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Funny

      I thought the KFC rename was due to "Kentucky" stigma

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    26. Re:What the hell? by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 3, Interesting
      It makes perfect sense when you think about it: Kentucky was a slave state, and nobody enjoys fried chicken more than black people do. A real authentic black man from Chicago even told me,

      "Man, white dudes say some wack shit about black people, but we do love our fried chicken. That ain't no lie."

      There is also a popular urban legand that Kentucky Fried Chicken had to change their name to KFC because they had found a way to grow birds with four legs and six wings to maximize yield, but the FDA would no longer allow them to be called "chickens."

    27. Re:What the hell? by sjames · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nobody has a legitimate legally protected interest in deception. Unless they are willing to let us pay for the food with "dollurs", I say they should use the non-confusing name people already recognize.

      They're required to call it high fructose because it is NOT unadulterated corn syrup (glucose and dextrose). It tastes different and works differently in food. Evidence suggests it behaves differently in the body as well. In commonly used formulations, it's not even mostly corn syrup (In soft drinks they use 55% fructose 45% corn syrup).

    28. Re:What the hell? by retchdog · · Score: 4, Informative

      Cane sugar is 50% fructose, in exactly the same way that baking soda (NaHCO3) is 50% lye (NaOH).

      PROTIP: if you want to retry this troll, replace "sugar" with "honey". Honey is ~40% fructose, ~30% glucose. Bonus credit if you start calling honey "medium fructose bee syrup".

      HTH.

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    29. Re:What the hell? by sjames · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bottom line is, how about we all quit complaining about what it is they put in food, and just choose what you eat carefully.

      If they will kindly not hide what they put in the food (including the use of newspeak), we can make a rational informed decision about what and how much to eat.

    30. Re:What the hell? by navyjeff · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I noticed that too. My wife didn't think it was possible that I could be that sensitive to HFCS. But then she saw me drink a Mt Dew, then fall asleep 20 minutes later, then be totally awake 40 minutes after that. I suspect it's the fructose and has something to do with the way some people process it. Fructose needs glucose to process, so I think that when I consume fructose, it pulls glucose from blood to process it. That seems to cause a blood sugar crash in me. The effect was so pronounced that people around me thought I was a narcoleptic (it's even in my military service record).

      After I cut out HFCS, I haven't had a problem with it and feel much more awake and alert all day. I don't even need caffeine anymore.

    31. Re:What the hell? by Rufty · · Score: 2, Informative
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    32. Re:What the hell? by Nursie · · Score: 4, Interesting

      HCFS is, by design, essentially liquid table sugar. 50% of it is fructose. Just like table sugar.

      Umm .... NO!

      It's not. "Table Sugar" is sucrose. HFCS is a mix of fructose and glucose.

      Yes, sucrose is a disaccharide made up of glucose and fructose. No, that doesn't make them the same. You understand the difference between a mixture and a compound, don't you? And that these compounds can have radically different properties to the elements they're made up from?

      I mean, that was something we learned in chemistry class at the age of about 10.

    33. Re:What the hell? by NuShrike · · Score: 2, Informative

      That was an old study in Discover, or something, that claimed that because Asian countries didn't drink that much milk nor consumed other animal proteins, their prostate cancer and morning sickness levels were much lower.

      Everything is bad for if you concentrate a diet on it.

    34. Re:What the hell? by sribe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What's in a name? High-fructose corn syrup by any other name would taste as sweet ... and still make your cancer cells multiply.

      All-natural agave syrup anyone??? Seriously, it boggles the mind that people who are suspicious of high-fructose syrup refined from corn embrace the new fad, high-fructose syrup refined from cactus, because some marketer slapped a "natural" label on it...

    35. Re:What the hell? by Reziac · · Score: 4, Informative

      My college biochemistry texts caught on fire while I was reading this thread... yours is the only even nearly-correct post.

      Fructose is just fruit sugar, or half of a sucrose (table sugar) molecule. Fructose takes an extra step to get broken down down to glucose so is not as efficiently used by the body, but this is nothing different from the fructose half of sucrose.

      If you think fructose is bad, stop eating fruit, cuz it's the sugar you'll find therein. You could just as well call it "fruit sugar" as "corn sugar" -- both are correct.

      Honey is chemically indistinguisable from HFCS-55. In fact HFCS is sometimes used to illegally "stretch" honey, and the only way to tell HFCS from honey is by the pollen-protein contaminants found in honey. Amazingly, the people who are first to condemn HFCS are usually also the first to tout honey as a "natural replacement" for sugar... when in fact it's six of one, half a dozen of the other. (Where DID you think the bees got the sugars in honey, anyway??)

      HFCS is only "high fructose" in comparsion to regular corn syrup.

      HFCS use in foods has been declining, yet obesity continues to rise ... kinda kills that as a direct correlation, eh?

      Most of the other, uh, fructose-cake arguments are so biochemically nonsensical that I don't even know where to start.

      My own objection to HFCS is that food doesn't taste quite right when fructose is used as a substitute for sucrose, and this irritates my supertaster senses. However, corn syrup is perfectly good for use in certain candies, where its flavour is expected.

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    36. Re:What the hell? by Reziac · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "...in exactly the same way that baking soda (NaHCO3) is 50% lye (NaOH)"

      Oh man, you made me spit carbonated lye and medium fructose bee barf all over my monitor :D

      Based on the chemistry expertise of the average poster, I think it's time to resurrect the campaign against DHMO. Except this time, rather than trying to convince people of its toxicity in its natural state, we should concentrate on the dangerously explosive traits of uncontrolled hydrogen, once it's been chemically separated from the DHMO. ;)

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    37. Re:What the hell? by ultranova · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If they will kindly not hide what they put in the food (including the use of newspeak), we can make a rational informed decision about what and how much to eat.

      But then you might make the rational informed decision to not eat high fructose corn syrup, or "corn sugar" or whatever it's called, which would affect the bottom lines of corn producers. Since they care more about their bottom line than your health or life, they have made the rational informed decision of trying to hide the fact that foods which include said semi-poison include it.

      Basically, if you want businesses to play nice, you have to use government and the law to force them.

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    38. Re:What the hell? by emt377 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The ratio of Fructose to Glucose generated by our digestive system while digesting Sucrose is almost identical to the contents of HFCS.

      Table sugar is not a syrup; syrup is created through hydrolysis. Hydrolysis of cane sugar produces cane syrup. Eating any kind of syrup is different from eating granulated sugar. When cane sugar is used in a drink it's hydrolyzed into syrup, or the product wouldn't be commercially viable - the sugar would crystalize in the bottle while on the shelf and add a granular texture to the drink. It's only the lemonade or whatever you whip up at home for instant consumption that actually contains sucrose. While some hydrolysis occurs in the gut after eating granular sugar, it's a limited process. The presence of syrups in the blood produces an insulin response, but fat cells are unable to store it. So they absorb all other glucose from the bloodstream, lowering blood sugar. It's not until the liver has metabolised the syrup that fat cells can absorb it and insulin levels return to normal. As a result the insulin response is longer and the non-syrup blood sugar drops lower than if you ate plain sugar. Apart from making you fatter this also has the effect of reducing insulin sensitivity and inducing fatigue. Over time you get fat, lazy, and diabetic.

    39. Re:What the hell? by Dynetrekk · · Score: 5, Informative
      WTF, interesting? Yes, there is a difference between sucrose and glucose+fructose. But, as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucrose#Metabolism_of_sucrose will tell you, sucrose is split into glucose and fructose (i.e. HFCS) very efficiently in the stomach. This means that when the sucrose enters the intestine, where it will be absorbed, there is no chemical difference between (the main content of) HFCS and sucrose. After reading the comments to this article it is clear to me that very very few CS people take even a basic chemistry course - which is a shame, chemistry is a fundamental skill everyone should learn (if nothing else, to understand why mail-order diet pills and "natural" food is a sham).

      On another note, I'm from Europe and find the US debate over HFCS somewhat fascinating. Here, the "health food" industry will sell you fructose telling people that it is a "more natural and healthy" sweetener. My conclusion is nonetheless that if you want to eat something sweet and stay healthy, eat fruit or something such - don't screw around with candy.

    40. Re:What the hell? by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I doubt bees use the same refining process that is used to produce most HFCS.

      Can you link to this decline in HFCS use?

    41. Re:What the hell? by Rick17JJ · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is much like the news from earlier this year about Aspartame being renamed as AminoSweet, by its manufacturer Ajinomoto. There has been a growing awareness of the dangers of Aspartame, so renaming their product is presumably an attempt to confuse the public.

      So now the same thing is being done by renaming high fructose corn syrup as "corn sugar," also presumably because of its bad reputation. I will be sure to watch for either of those new names when shopping, so that I can avoid products that contain either "corn sugar" or AminoSweet.

      Here are a couple of articles about the renaming a Aspartame as AminoSweet:

    42. Re:What the hell? by pwizard2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Making your own BBQ sauce isn't too difficult and you can use alternative sweeteners like molasses instead of HFCS. Blackstrap molasses in particular is much better than HFCS... just a few tablespoons of it provide almost a day's worth of iron, calcium, magnesium, Vitamin B, and other good things. Blackstrap is a sweetener that is actually good for you even though it tastes kind of like burned sugar and looks like crude oil. I wouldn't use Blackstrap or lighter molasses in applications where white table sugar is called for, but for stuff that isn't supposed to be very sweet or as an alternative to brown sugar Blackstrap should do fine in most instances.

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    43. Re:What the hell? by magus_melchior · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because we've spent so much time bitching about government and so little time organizing to change it, the Feds believe they are doing their jobs-- they're ensuring a lucrative future for themselves in lobbying or industrial consultancy.

      Unless and until we continue to tell elected officials through the ballot box and their ears that blind allegiance to industry is unacceptable, they will continue to do whatever it takes to get rich in Washington.

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    44. Re:What the hell? by Khyber · · Score: 2, Informative

      "when that stuff hits your stomach bam the acid denatures the enzymes."

      A large majority of your gastric juices are enzymes.

      Not all enzymes solve in acidic solutions.

      This is like basic biology AND basic chemistry.

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    45. Re:What the hell? by netjiro · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The immune system is only partially responsible for weeding out those nasty malfunctioning cells. Many other systems kick in. Mainly in the cell itself, programmed cell death - apoptosis - is triggered from a multitude malfunctioning cell states, as well as from various well functioning states internal and external to the cell itself. Malfunctioning cells generally have to be seriously malfunctioning, and express a "non-self" surface biochemistry before the immune system kicks in and starts attacking it.

    46. Re:What the hell? by erroneus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here's what I think I know about HFCS:

      The human body is not geared to consume it and results in stress and even damage to internal organs.

      That's about all I think I know. I have heard nothing about making cancer cells multiply. When you say this, do you mean to say that it causes cancer cells to increase their rate of growth over control groups without HFCS present? Rather than implying, I would rather see such statements made clearly. Also, while I am not doubting, do you have any references to cite?

      I think what we are seeing is a similar sort of public rejection that was witnessed with "Nutrasweet." When people learned the harm it could do, they started avoiding anything with Nutrasweet on the label. So what was the industry's response? They took it off the label... not out of the products though. It's still in there. Look for "aspartame" in the ingredients.

      And it's not like there isn't a better alternative. There is in sweetleaf. It's just that the various industries like making money the way they are -- especially the corn farmers.

    47. Re:What the hell? by Unipuma · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you only focus on the biochemistry part of the process, you are missing out on the biological ones. The fact that two molecules can be nearly indistinguishable from a chemistry point of view does not mean that their biological impact can not be radically different. For a simple example:
      Lactic acid comes is present in two stereo-isomer configurations. Chemically, they are identical during an oxidation process. However, the body metabolizes both differently.

      That extra step that you mention to break down Fructose can have an impact on where in the body the molecule is being processed. Also, don't forget that before the fructose and glucose enter the metabolic cycle, a large number of processes have already taken place in the body, and those processes might have a different effect on the body. (Reaction to insulin, etc)

      So, just because fructose might be (bio)chemically similar, this doesn't mean that biologically it is similar.

    48. Re:What the hell? by vidnet · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You could just as well call it "fruit sugar"

      People do call fructose "fruit sugar", but the FDA does not allow HFCS to be called "fructose", since (as you point out) it isn't. Nor can it be labeled "sugar", which it is, due to the chemical processes involved (much like how you have to specify that fat is hydrogenated, even though it's still just fat).

      HFCS use in foods has been declining, yet obesity continues to rise ...

      Citation needed, and here it is: HFCS use in food has declined about about 20% per capita, since the high point in 2002 (source, table 50). In fact, the use of caloric sweeteners has fallen by 15%, while obesity has increased by 15% in the same time period (source).

      Of course, HFCS consumption still correlates positively with obesity on the individual level – just not directly. More HFCS generally implies more junk food.

      If you think fructose is bad, stop eating fruit, [because] it's the sugar you'll find therein.

      Oh, if only logic worked... The obsession with HFCS vs. fructose vs. cane sugar vs. honey is the same old fantasy of being able to eat all the crap you want as long as it's the right kind of crap.

      Obesity as a biological problem was solved ages ago: consume less energy and/or expend more. Science will eventually solve the psychological problem that you can't eat that donut even though you really want to, but until then, wishing really hard won't make it come true. And trying does not help.

    49. Re:What the hell? by zwarte+piet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's odd. I looked at the ingredients list on my Coca Cola bottle and it just lists "sugar" as the sweetener. Is this corn stuff a regional thing?

    50. Re:What the hell? by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Only the higher percentage HFCS is sweeter ... so either they use HFCS-90 or it has just as many calories.

      The exact type of HFCS is rarely mentioned and wikipedia's justification for saying HFCS-90 is rarely used is a single article by an industry shill. Are there any independent tests of glucose/fructose ratios in soft drinks?

    51. Re:What the hell? by Ramze · · Score: 4, Informative

      First, thank you for an interesting theory that is worth researching. I had not thought about the possibility of enzymes being included in the product. It would be interesting to know what portion of enzymes survives the process, packaging, storage, temperature fluctuations, and human ingestion to be able to affect the digestion of other foods. My educated guess would be very little, but it would be interesting to find out. It would also be interesting to know if the types of enzymes used could even function at human body temperatures if they arrived unharmed in the digestive tract.

      There is no doubt that ingesting sugar could lead to a "sugar spike" in the bloodstream, but it's unlikely to cause any harm in a healthy individual. Your post implies sugar spikes cause Type II Diabetes. While sugar spikes can be a symptom of Type II Diabetes, there is no evidence that they are a cause of the disease. In fact, there is quite a lot of evidence suggesting sugars do not contribute directly in any way. They do, however, contribute to obesity which is a considerable factor. One could ingest large quantities of fruits for a quick fructose rush immediately followed by sucking down pixie stix for their sucrose topped off with several spoonfuls of honey (which is similar to HFCS) daily and not develop diabetes from it.... unless they got fat from it & lack of exercise.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_mellitus_type_2

      It's a bit odd that you attribute Type II Diabetes as being caused by a sugar spike b/c the body couldn't produce enough insulin -- when type II diabetes is generally caused by insulin resistance. The pancreas pumps out enough insulin just fine -- just not enough relatively b/c the body resists using it. It's the body's cells that resist absorbing the sugar with the help of the insulin that is the culprit.

      The most prescribed treatment for type II diabetics is to avoid fatty foods and start exercising regularly b/c more than half the cases are caused, at least in part, by being overweight. People generally know that diabetes is a sugar-related disorder, so it's easy for people to get confused and mistakenly link the intake of sugar with being one of the many contributing factors that causes the disorder.

    52. Re:What the hell? by sFurbo · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think it does. Good thing that it combines immediately with the hydrochloric acid that causes the breakdown to form table salt and water.

      H+ reacts directly with HCO3-, forming H2CO3, which reacts to give H2O and CO2 (that reaction might be acid-catalysed, I don't know). No OH- is involved. Your description was the understanding in the early 1800's, and formally, it is correct, but it is nowhere near what happens.

      Also I'm not too convinced that the hydrolysis of sucrose in the stomach is immediate. Doing it in a pan (making invert sugar) involves boiling with acid and water for about 20 minutes. At body temp this would take even longer.

      Luckily, the body makes enzymes that work as catalysts to make the reaction run much faster.

    53. Re:What the hell? by xaxa · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think there's a niche in the market for a soft drink that's tasty and refreshing but not full of sugar. I can't find one. The closest you can get is fruit juice, and even that's usually concentrated or has added sugar.

      The big soft drink companies (Coca Cola etc) are hard at work marketing "flavoured water" in the UK, e.g. this and this. They're trying to turn a product that's been popular in the UK for decades (super-concentrated fruit squash with sugar or sweetener, depending on your preference, which you dilute with water) into something you buy pre-diluted, and pretending it's healthy. I think it would be equivalent to trying to sell premixed Kool Aid.

      My usual sweet soft drink at home/work is an "adult" (i.e. expensive and in a glass rather than plastic bottle...) squash, but most of the time I drink water.
      I sometimes drink fruit juice, which is always 100% fruit juice (otherwise they have to call it "fruit drink" or something).

      For a while here, Coca Cola sold bottled water that they got from the city water supply at the factory in North London, until they withdrew the "product" after bad press.

    54. Re:What the hell? by bloosqr · · Score: 4, Informative

      The argument against fructose has to do with the way the GLUT transporters are regulated. Glucose uptake into the liver is regulated by insulin mediated GLUT4 translocation and GK etc preventing too much of it from going into the liver and getting converted to FA/VLDL and so forth. Fructose can only be metabolised in the liver (unlike glucose) and its uptake into the liver is not insulin mediated as it is transported in by GLUT2.

      On the other hand, you could make the argument that sucrose is at least half as bad as fructose since it has about half amount of fructose by weight but fructose is sweeter than sucrose by weight so if one uses the proper proportion it isn't that much worse..

    55. Re:What the hell? by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, they changed Swine Flu to H1N1, but that did have a legitimate purpose since people incorrectly thought you got swine flu from eating pork.

      Changing "rapeseed" to "canola" helped it -- but rapeseed didn't have any negative connotations like HFCS does except for its name. Changing HFCS' name won't help it at all. HCFC isn't disliked because of its name, like Swine Flu or rapeseed. It's disliked because it's unhealthy.

      As to fraud and false advertising, it would be a stretch to call changing "corn syrup" to "corn sugar" fraud, because HFCS is sugar. As to false advertising, IINM the way false advertising laws work in the US is if your competitor us using false advertising you can sue him, but his customers can't unless they can prove fraud.

      I think the whole thing is laughable. Changing the name won't change anything. I'm constantly amazed and bemused and the stupidity of business and government.

    56. Re:What the hell? by randomencounter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't underestimate the importance of the decomposition reactions.

      HFCS is pre-digested by the manufacturing process, less energy is required to get it to your cells in a usable form so more energy is available to your body to use.

      Not all calories are created equal.

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    57. Re:What the hell? by ncc74656 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A quick read of the wikipedia article describing the industrial process used to make HFCS describes such lovely terms as:

      "Cornstarch is treated with alpha-amylase..."

      If that bothers you, I hope you don't drink beer (or other alcoholic beverages produced from grain). Alpha amylase is an enzyme present in barley (and in some other grains, but the concentration is highest in barley) that breaks down starch into sugar. It's formed during germination, which happens either when the seed is planted in the ground or when it's malted for brewing or other alcohol production. Read this for more details...look under "Starch Conversion."

      Another place you'll find alpha amylase is in your mouth. Chew on a piece of bread for a bit. After a few seconds, it picks up a somewhat sweet taste. Alpha amylase in saliva is responsible for that effect.

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  2. Um, no. by jra · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When manufacturers start *printing "No HFCS!" on packaging*, your ship has pretty much sailed, folks.

  3. So.... by quantumghost · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...can we start calling cigarettes, "All natural inhaled plant extracts"?

    1. Re:So.... by sjames · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nonsense, from now on, cigarettes will have pictures of balloons on the brightly colored packages and they'll be known as FunStix. PCBs will be yum-yums and DDT will be freedom spray. Melamine shall be known as "Baby Formula"...OH Wait!

    2. Re:So.... by nschubach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hand rolled cigars. They are still bad for you.

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    3. Re:So.... by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Can we start calling cigarettes, "All natural inhaled plant extracts"?

      Probably not, since there's a lot of crap in there in addition to the tobacco that's probably not all that natural.

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  4. With apologies to The Bard by peacefinder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's in a name? that which we call an industrial chemical
    By any other name would taste as sweet;
    So HFCS would, were it not HFCS call'd,
    Retain that cloying mouthfeel which it owes
    Without that title. HFCS, doff thy name;
    And for that name, which is no part of thee,
    Take all my pancreas.

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  5. Real sugar soda by w00tsauce · · Score: 4, Funny

    Kinda off topic, but is anyone else enjoying the "real-sugar" sodas that are in supermarkets? Man so delicious, I stocked up on it. I wish this was sold all the time.

    1. Re:Real sugar soda by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Informative

      Kinda off topic, but is anyone else enjoying the "real-sugar" sodas that are in supermarkets? Man so delicious, I stocked up on it. I wish this was sold all the time.

      Very much on-topic. I grew up on Coca Cola as a kid long before the switch to corn syrup, and I don't care what anyone says, high-fructose corn syrup is not the same as cane sugar. There was nothing quite like a tall glass bottle of Coke, ice-cold, on a hot summer's day. So yes, I have tried the "real-sugar" sodas (just for old time's sake) and yeah, it was good. Sad to say, thanks to the switch to corn-based sweetener, Coca Cola hasn't been "it" for some time now.

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  6. Not the first time by jothar+hillpeople · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...and won't be the last. "Confectioners' glaze" (common candy coating) sounds so much better than "lac bug secretion". "Gelatin" sounds so much better than "pig skin extract". "Carmine" (used for red coloring) sounds better than "cochineal insect secretion".

    1. Re:Not the first time by russotto · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...and won't be the last. "Confectioners' glaze" (common candy coating) sounds so much better than "lac bug secretion"

      Shellac, what can't it do? It really IS a floor wax and a dessert topping.

      "Gelatin" sounds so much better than "pig skin extract"

      Well, gelatin can have many sources, not just pig and not just skin.

    2. Re:Not the first time by Geccoman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Penny Arcade had a great comic describing this very thing.

      http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/4/7/

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    3. Re:Not the first time by Xtravar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Tortured Baby Cow Parmesan just doesn't have the same ring to it. But I'm sure it'd be equally as delicious.

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    4. Re:Not the first time by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Shellac is also used to coat many vegetables to keep them looking more fresh than they actually are, meaning, ironically, that many vegetables are not vegan. :( (I am a vegan, or, to be brutally honest, *attempt* to be a vegan. Sometimes there's really no way to know what's in the crap we consume, or no way to avoid it even if we do.)

    5. Re:Not the first time by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2, Informative

      Take a gander at wikipedia or youtube and search for newscasts about this kind of thing.

      All I see is

      The neutrality of this section is disputed. Please see the discussion on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved. (March 2009)

    6. Re:Not the first time by bsDaemon · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was actually going for 'funny' with a South Park reference to the episode where Stan, Kyle, Cartman and Butters kidnap a bunch of veal cows and hold them hostage until the FDA changes the name of veal to 'tortured baby cows,' but apparently that was lost on people, which is sad because the episode featured Mr. Warf who they made the FBI get to drive them and the truck full of veal cows to the airport.

  7. Re:Evil stuff by Dynedain · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Massive subsidies for corn farming (also in the form of biofuel kickbacks) combined with tariffs on imported sugar to protect certain agricultural sectors make corn syrup an incredibly inexpensive and profitable sweetening agent.

    This is the big reason why most sodas in the US use corn syrup whereas foreign recipes usually rely on ordinary sugar.

    In short, no politician wants to risk losing support in the midwest or the southeast. Advocating reform on either of these policies is political suicide in those regions.

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  8. Re:Evil stuff by nschubach · · Score: 2, Funny

    You want the "Corn Refiners" to stop refining corn?

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  9. Re:Evil stuff by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why can't these guys do the right thing and stop making this evil stuff? Playing a shell game with the facts does not change reality.

    Yes, well, you can thank a company called UOP for pioneering the process of making this stuff on an industrial scale (that was actually back in the sixties.) And you can also thank Congress for so fucking over the countries that used to grow cane sugar and sell it to us, which is why we even needed a substitute in the first place. Now, of course, those growers have switched to cocaine, cannabis, and other much more profitable crops.

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  10. Re:Evil stuff by bsDaemon · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, its sugar lobbyists as much, if not more, than corn lobbyists. The US has import tariffs on foreign cane sugar to prop up the price of the domestic stuff, which makes it too expensive to use in wide-scale production here. That's why foreign versions of Coke and Pepsi products are made with real sugar, where as we get the cheap corn shit.

    I was a lobbyist myself for a non-profit social organization in a past career. I was at a luncheon fundraiser in DC for a congressman from a midwestern, corn-raising state and was seated across from a sugar lobbyist, and in between a guy from Raytheon and a guy from Microsoft. The sugar lobbyist was the biggest asshole of the three, too.

  11. A rose by any other name by Dracos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Still makes us all fat.

  12. Re:Evil stuff by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why can't these guys do the right thing and stop making this evil stuff? Playing a shell game with the facts does not change reality.

    Because Iowa hold their caucuses early in the presidential election cycle and a lot of candidates like to use that as a chance to get their campaign's momentum going. Many areas of public policy, particularly anything affecting corn farming, are dictated by the feelings of the corn farmers of Iowa.

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  13. "Corn Sugar" & "Sea Kittens" -- stupid rebran by rootrot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In response to [successful] bad press, the HFCS crowd is pushing for the rebranding the horrid syrup as "corn sugar". A waste of time and money, I wager, in the end. Ignoring the fact that it is reasonably well established that HFCS is not good for you, it tastes like crap. Compare yellow-capped Coke (yellow=kosher) with the "regular" sold in the US...there is no comparison (inexplicably, Coke only inflicts HFCS on the US market).

    PETA recently attempted the same campaign to rebrand FISH as SEA KITTENS...apparently they felt that people wouldn't be so willing to eat something with a cuddly persona. Completely backfired with me...I had never thought of it before, but have you tried Kitten & Chips??? A new personal favorite. Kitten, the other, other white meat.

    Who knows, maybe kitten tastes better in a nice HFCS glaze...

  14. Re:Evil stuff by Relic+of+the+Future · · Score: 4, Interesting

    AFAIK, high fructose corn syrup is a by-product of various industrial uses of corn

    You are wrong. Very wrong. "AFAIK" is an insufficient fig leaf for your level of wrongness, which seems nearly malicious in its degree.

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  15. Re:I 100% Agree with them. by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's actually "High Fructose Corn Syrup" currently. This is because it is a liquid sugar (sugar + water).

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  16. Re:Evil stuff by Mikkeles · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, the candidates could do what politicians do best: lie through their teeth. Then eliminate the tariffs as would be appropriate for a country seeking to participate in the GLOBAL ECONOMY .

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  17. Name already taken? by Qubit · · Score: 4, Informative

    Per Amazon:

    Corn Sugar is the common name for dextrose.

    and per Wise Geek

    Corn sugar is a natural sweetener that is made utilizing starch that is extracted from kernels of corn. The extracted cornstarch is then refined to create a solid sugar or to make another popular sweetening agent known as corn syrup...

    The process for making corn sugar begins with the removal of starchy elements from the corn. The extracted elements are actually glucose, although the refining process will transform them into another form of sugar known as dextrose. With the production of syrup, the corn sugar becomes a high fructose corn syrup...

    It sounds like "corn sugar" is already used to refer to a separate product. If they don't want to continue using "HFCS," then come up with another word, the same way they did with "Tilapia."

    But I think they're shooting themselves in the foot. I mean, are they trying to give ammunition to the healthier foods? First, the other projects can continue to claim that they don't contain HFCS, and they can also make fun of the other brands for trying to hide what's in their foods.

    I mean, it's going to be like a fucking field day for the health foods.

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  18. Re:Interestingly... by jmcharry · · Score: 2, Informative

    One problem is that corn sugar is a synonym for dextrose, which is used as an adjunct in brewing. I don't think fructose is as fermentable, which would result in a very different product.

  19. Re:Interestingly... by blueg3 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's an accurate name. It's called high-fructose corn syrup because it has a lot more fructose than regular corn syrup, which is what HFCS is made from.

    To be fair, "corn sugar" is slightly deceptive, in that it's renaming an existing product to make it sound similar to a different, more-desired product, but it's entirely accurate. Glucose, fructose, and sucrose, along with many others, are all sugars.

  20. Re:In other news by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sucrose is not good for you, the reason HFCS gets all the attention because fructose is noticeably worse. Sugar refiners deserve to have their names dragged through the mud almost as much as corn refiners have been.

    Frankly, I think the CRA should be sued for attempting to defraud the American public by selling a product known to be harmful under a new name for the sole purpose of deceiving said public into buying a product they do not wish to buy.

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  21. Re:Evil stuff by pete-classic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can you explain your assertion that HFCS is "evil"?

    As I've stated elsewhere in this story, HFCS is only 10% more "evil" than table sugar, and that's if we presuppose that fructose is evil. (You know, fructose, the principal form of sugar found in those well-known health-wreckers, apples.)

    I'm not saying that you're wrong, by any means. But, while I hear that HFCS is bad all the time, I've never heard any sort of convincing explanation how it's worse than sucrose.

    Corn subsidies, on the other hand . . .

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  22. Agreed by Mr+44 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's pretty amazing. Do the experiment yourself - get some "mexican coke" or Pepsi Throwback (with sugar), and some regular soda.

    Over the course of 15 minutes, drink 2 cans of regular soda. No big deal, right? Later on or the next day, drink sugar-based soda, and after drinking under 12 ounces of it, you will likely feel full, and like you don't want to drink anymore, in a way thats very different from HFCS-soda. I'd be surpised if you can even finish 24oz of sugar soda in 15 min (without forcing yourself).

    1. Re:Agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      HFCS is used in virtually every sweetened store-bought product in the US, except for organic and some high-end foods. Most American processed foods are very sweet, and even products that wouldn't traditionally have much or any sweetening are sweetened with HFCS, such as bread and pasta sauce.

      Foods and drinks sweetened without HFCS are available, but generally these are more expensive or organic items.

      HFCS is only used because corn syrup is significantly cheaper than cane/beet sugar in the US (pretty much uniquely in the world). This is because corn is highly subsidized and because there are relatively few domestic sugar producers and there are prohibitive tariffs on imported sugar, plus the fact that there is an embargo on the closest large sugar-producing country, Cuba

      Generally, HFCS is considered to have an identical or worse taste compared to real sugar, though it would be hard to actually measure this. Anecdotally I do find imported Coke from Mexico (with real sugar) to taste somewhat better than domestic HFCS Coke, though I don't drink either enough to really compare.

    2. Re:Agreed by Omestes · · Score: 3, Informative

      HFCS is generally used in everything here, thanks to corn subsidies. It actually costs more (pre-subsidy) to make HFCS than it does to use real sugar, but thanks to subsidies it is actually cheaper to use HFCS. As a result EVERYTHING has HFCS, and real sugar is vanishingly rare outside of niche products (organic labels, etc...) that cost around twice as much.

      Judging from the Buzz surrounding Mexican and Passover Coke (which use cane sugar, instead of HFCS), I would say a large portion of the population, or at least a vocal population, prefer the real sugar variety over the HFCS variety. Though this might have something to do with age, since older people grew up with sugar sweetened beverages, while the younger generation (sometime in the mid-80s) grew up with the HFCS types.

      I'm personally more annoyed with people adding sweeteners to EVERYTHING. I feel like I might be one of the few people in the world who lack a sweet tooth. I'm especially annoyed with them ruining tomatoes and sweet corn, both are now so sweet that they make my jaw hurt.

      Americans have the palette of a two year old. The sweeter the better.

      It does help explain why we are so damn fat, though.

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  23. In related news... by MikeV · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Texas Rancher's Association has applied to their board of regents in hopes of changing the name of "Cow Patties" to "Cow Flowers" in hopes that people will think their bovine droppings smells good. No input yet from the manure retail industry but word is they're gearing up to put pictures of flowers on their bags to help enhance the new aroma.

  24. Dear Neckbeards by anarkhos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not the HFCS, it's your ass, in that chair, 12 hours a day

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  25. Re:Ask a doctor... by quantumghost · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Well....let's see from your study, n=1 and the outcome was 100%. The p value? Probably about 1.

    What you cite is "anecdotal evidence" and what works for you, may not work for anyone else...and in fact, you probably ended up removing a number of food sources that contribute to heartburn such as caffeine.

    The reason your physicians don't see to care is that they can't generalize the information....so they would be remiss to pass this information on.

    Someone could set up a project to research this... but that takes time and money...so who would pay for the study? The corn growers? The makers of proton-pump inhibitors? Neither one cares, and would actually discourage such a study as it would hurt their bottom-line...so the federal government might fund it...but then there are those lovely folk known as lobbyists...I'm sure they would love to push for funding for said research....

    Guess I'd have to say, it's just not a hot-button issue.

    And for the record, I'm a physician. (But certainly not a primary care physician).

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  26. Re:Interestingly... by Tycho · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not quite, Corn syrup starts out as 100% glucose after being converted into either 55% fructose Corn Syrup or 42% fructose Corn Syrup, the most commonly used types, the products do certainly have higher levels of fructose than unmodified Corn Syrup hence the "High Fructose" descriptor. Cane sugar on the other hand starts out as sucrose. If we start taking about carbonated beverages when the sucrose is put into solution with water and carbonic acid(from CO2) and in most cases with phosphoric acid or citric acid you have a low pH environment. Under these conditions sucrose splits into its constituents glucose and fructose. At this point, a 50% free glucose and 50% free fructose solution has shown no medically significant difference with HFCS. Better yet, something that affects both HFCS soda and cane sugar soda is that the glucose will start to convert into fructose under abnormally high, usually improper storage temperatures (90F), making this entire 5% part meaningless. So yes, one can end up with cane sugar sodas that for whatever reason have higher percentages of fructose than HFCS sodas.

    Also, anyone ever look at the ratio of glucose to fructose on fruits, they are all over the map. Apples, for instance, have 90% of their sugar as fructose.

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  27. Re:newspeak by dakameleon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or doubleplusgood sugar?

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  28. Re:That'll help by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't know, but maybe it was made by Altria Group.

    (Hint to editors: Altria Group changed their name because of the negative connotations of their previous name, Philip Morris.)

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  29. Re:Ask a doctor... by nizo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This sounds crazy, but I had this exact conversation with my daughter's doctor yesterday, and she really didn't have much to say about HFCS either (nothing beyond "sugar is bad" anyway). Though based on various research studies that I've seen recently, and the number of food companies dropping HFCS in their products, I expect this to hit the news in a huge way sometime soon.

  30. my vote for renaming HFCS by Lost+Penguin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Unicorn sweetener.

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  31. STOP CORN SUBSIDIES by Trip6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The government is paying farmers to make a product that is killing the populace. And they are borrowing the money from China to do it. What's wrong with THIS picture?

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    1. Re:STOP CORN SUBSIDIES by flanders123 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are forgetting about the other "great" corn product: Ethanol. Here we have a fuel that takes 29 percent more fossil fuel energy to produce than the end product generates. Do you think the harvesters and grain trucks run on ethanol?

      Also, it doesn't make sense for consumers. My family rents land to farmers. All have ethanol-compatible pickups, but won't fill up with ethanol. Why? Because the mileage they get is so horrible, that the non-competitive price doesn't make sense. But they love the corn prices and subsities though!

      What a joke.

    2. Re:STOP CORN SUBSIDIES by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What I wonder is if "Universal Health Care" (which only provides for 94% of the country) would even be necessary if we didn't have corn subsidies which have made so many people obese and unhealthy. Seems like we are paying twice for a reality that shouldn't have happened in the first place.

    3. Re:STOP CORN SUBSIDIES by NetNed · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I had to scroll this far to see this comment? Mod up parent.

      The only reason there is cheap high fructose corn syrup is because the massive corn subsides make the process cheap and profitable. If there were none, sweetener would be pure sugar from beats or cane. Falsely cheap corn because of subsidies causes uses for it that would normally not be economical nor profitable.

    4. Re:STOP CORN SUBSIDIES by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You still need the healthcare. If you don't die of one thing, you'll die of another.

      You might be much better able to PAY for the healthcare - obesity and its accompanying diseases occur in relatively young people. Here in the UK where our healthcare is universal, we actually have people arguing that we should be more widely offering stomach stapling surgery, especially for younger recipients, because the benefits outweigh the costs - what the state pays in surgical costs will be more than made up for by the patient getting thinner, getting back to work, and paying their taxes again.

      I was recently watching a documentary on wartime rationing - as a nation we had never been fed better. Our kids were taller and stronger than they ever had been, at a time of adversity and privation, because we were actually educated on what was good to eat - not so we could get thinner, but so we could be strong enough to carry on even though our supplies were limited. We grew vegetables. We ATE the vegetables.

  32. Hello Reddy Kilowatt by Cornwallis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This reminds me of when the Nuclear Power Industry, specifically Detroit Edison, referred to radiation as "Sunshine Units" at their cuddly exhibit at the Michigan State Fair back in the early 60s.

  33. Corn-Sugar is already in use by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Corn-Sugar is already in use, it means dextrose. Ask anyone who homebrews.

  34. Give them that... by gmuslera · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... but force every product containing it to show cigarette-like warning labels

  35. This is exactly right by geoffrobinson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's the sugar lobby who caused this whole mess.

    I believe Coke was one of the first to make the switch. In a free market, sugar would be much cheaper and that's what would be used.

    I'm also pretty sure this causes problems for candy and other food manufacturers. It makes their products more expensive.

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    1. Re:This is exactly right by larry+bagina · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A lot of candy manufacturers have moved out of the US, relocating to Canada or Mexico where they have access to cheap sugar. I'll bet the jobs lost from sugar tariffs exceeds the jobs saved (or "touched", as it's now measured) by sugar tariffs.

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  36. Re:I 100% Agree with them. by h4rr4r · · Score: 2, Informative

    Then they should pick another name. Corn Sugar means dextrose.

  37. Re:Ask a doctor... by schon · · Score: 2, Informative

    The first thing I focused on was the ingredient that was most pervasive--corn syrup.

    That's extremely unlikely. The most pervasive ingredient is high fructose corn syrup, not corn syrup (they are *extremely* different things.) Corn syrup (which is nearly impossible to find - even in bottles labeled "Corn Syrup") is 100% glucose, whereas HFCS is a solution of fructose and glucose (at least 42% fructose, usually 55%, but sometimes as much as 95% fructose.)

    I now avoid it like the plague. Within a month of removing it from my diet (as much as possible, the shit is in everything), the heartburn stopped entirely.

    You should check to see if it's a sensitivity to corn, or if it's the fructose. To test: go to a brewer's supply and buy a bottle of glucose (this is 100% corn syrup.) From a health food store, buy a jar of brown rice syrup (70% maltodextrin, 30% glucose). Try each one for a few days and see the result. If both cause heartburn, it's a sensitivity to glucose. If the corn syrup does but the rice syrup doesn't, it's a sensitivity to corn. If neither one does, it's probably a sensitivity to high fructose corn syrup.

    The only logical conclusion I can come to, considering the stuff (corn syrup) has been in HEAVY use for decades now, is that the medical "industry" knows, but cannot monetize the solution--removing corn syrup from ones diet. Telling people to stop eating it would actually cut into their business. Corn syrup makes them money in the form of direct medical symptoms that need to be treated and the inherent medical problems associated with obesity. LOTS of money.

    If this was true, how is it that the medical industry says to cut out saturated fat and sodium for other ailments?

    The actual reason is much simpler: the research on high fructose corn syrup is just beginning, and there is a *lot* of effort from the corn industry to block or obscure it. For some interesting viewing (it's quite long, and relatively heavy on the biochem) you should watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

  38. Re:Evil stuff by dbIII · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's why foreign versions of Coke and Pepsi products are made with real sugar, where as we get the cheap corn shit.

    Actually you get the expensive corn shit since our cane sugar is cheaper than your HFCS.
    A lot of cane sugar is also bad since half of it breaks down into fructose anyway and huge amounts of glucose isn't much better for you anyway - so a bit beyond half as bad.

  39. It's not HFCS vs Sugar. It's Sugars vs Stevia. by _KiTA_ · · Score: 3, Informative

    HFCS-55 is 55% fructose. Cane sugar is sucrose, which is one quick reaction (which happens in the stomach before absorption of the sugar into the bloodstream) away from being 50% fructose. If the enemy is fructose, cane sugar is almost as bad as HFCS.

    The enemy is our high-sugar diet in general. We should have switched over to Sweetleaf / Stevia 30 years ago, as it would have let us continue with our current taste in foods, only healthier.

    But someone (corn or sugar lobby is the obvious culprit, but don't count out the artificial sugar guys, most of them are made by huge chem companies) had a friend in high places place a ban on the stuff back in the early 90s.

    No doubt because you can replace sugar (and all artificial sugar) with processed Stevia at something like a 30 to 1 ratio -- I use 1/4th a teaspoon to make an entire pitcher of KoolAid, as opposed to a cup or whatnot of sugar. In other words, if we had switched to Stevia, all three of the HFCS, the Cane Sugar, and the cancer causing alternatives would have been rendered obsolete, incredibly rapidly. There's an interesting dynamic going on -- the sweetener industry uses something that's incredibly unhealthy but dirt cheap, and when that starts to go south they also sell us (equally if not worse) alternatives under the guise of "health food". All while ignoring an actual healthy alternative cause they can't control it.

    The complaint was that "we just don't know if this Stevia thing is OK", and after banning they... promptly refused to study it to see if it WAS ok. It's a really common tactic, really.

    Meanwhile, Japan's been using the stuff for 30 years with no ill effects. At all.

    Oh, and they recently unbanned it (Maybe. They might have just "unbanned" the fake-but-patentable alternatives. See the Owndoc link above), but only after huge chemical company Cargil and artificial sweetener company Merisant -- aka the GM seed jerks and makers of Roundup, Monsanto -- found a way to make cancer-causing, but patentable, alternatives -- Truvia (Coke/Cargil) and Purvia (Pepsi/Monsanto).

    Since Stevia's an incredibly easy to grow herb (you almost definitely can find a powdered or liquid version at your local store in the health food section, or a live plant the gardening section when it's that time of year), well, they couldn't compete with THAT.

    Meanwhile, if you do grow it yourself, tossing a leaf or two in with one's tea sweetens it up quite perfectly. Enjoy.

  40. You have things backwards. by jpstanle · · Score: 5, Informative

    Cane sugar has essentially no free-form fructose. Refined cane sugar is nearly pure sucrose, a disaccharide. Admittedly, it is composed glucose and fructose structures, they are chemically bonded and is not metabolised the same way as either one of the monosaccharides (glucose and fructose).

    HFCS is an engineered product that takes regular corn syrup (essential pure glucose) and turns it into a mixture of free form glucose and fructose in order to produce a substance that tastes the same (sweetness-wise) as table/cane sugar.

    "Corn Sugar" would actually be distinctly incorrect if used to refer to HFCS, as that term is already used to refer to crystalline glucose (Commonly known in the food world as dextrose).

  41. Natural sugar free sweetener by gagol · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Search for stevia, it is very sweet but contains no sugar. It's a shame producers are so stubborn about pushing unhealty food when perfectly good alternatives exists.

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  42. Re:Evil stuff by Rosyna · · Score: 2, Informative

    (You know, fructose, the principal form of sugar found in those well-known health-wreckers, apples.)

    Apples are actually pretty nutritionally devoid. It's almost as if they're pure sugar. In many, many fruit drinks, you'll see Apple juice as the number one ingredient as it is used as filler. Even if you are drinking something like Strawberry+Blueberry Juice, the chief ingredient is Apple juice. The same is true of the watermelon juice I like to buy. It's mostly Apple juice.

    SUGAR!

  43. Re:Evil stuff by dangitman · · Score: 2, Funny

    I was at a luncheon fundraiser in DC for a congressman from a midwestern, corn-raising state and was seated across from a sugar lobbyist, and in between a guy from Raytheon and a guy from Microsoft. The sugar lobbyist was the biggest asshole of the three, too.

    Well, you know what they say. In America, First you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women.

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  44. Re:It's not HFCS vs Sugar. It's Sugars vs Stevia. by publiclurker · · Score: 2, Informative

    You forgot to add that if you use to sweeten things to a high level it tastes like crap. I use it in small amounts for tea and it works OK, but my wife likes things very sweet and the aftertaste is worst than any of the "artificial" sweeteners out there.

  45. It does not matter what you call it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Believe it or not people are not that stupid when it comes to labels. You could call it unicorn spit and after a lag period the same baggage and public reaction will eventually be restored.

    It happened with trans fats where manufacturers would just adjust the serving size such that each serving contained less than .5 grams just to get away with legally claiming their product contained 0g trans fat. How the govt allowed such rank nonsense to occur in the first place is beyond comphrension.. At the end of the day it didn't matter.

    The end result was that the "*0g trans fat" advertisement became meaningless and people started looking for the word "partially hydrogenated" in the ingredients to make their purchasing decision.

  46. Shakespeare may be right! by reboot246 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    O, be some other name!
    What's in a name? that which we call a rose
    By any other name would smell as sweet;

  47. Re:Evil stuff by bsDaemon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    your cane sugar is cheaper than our hfcs because we have tariffs on the sugar and you don't. then the price of hfcs can be raised above what the market would otherwise pay for it, if sugar weren't being propped up. It's a friggin' cabal is what it is.

  48. Needs a new ad campaign by syousef · · Score: 3, Funny

    And here thought that fraud and false advertising was illegal in this country. If the Feds go for this then they're not doing their jobs.

    I'm propose a new ad campaign along the lines of "Got Milk!?". In this case it would be "Get fruct!!!!"

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  49. The problem is anything that raises blood sugar by hsthompson69 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    HFCS is evil. Causes obesity, cancers, diabetes, heart disease and other chronic diseases. Why? Because it raises blood sugar levels, which raises insulin levels.

    What else raises your blood sugar?

    Whole wheat bread? Check.

    Orange juice? Check.

    Oatmeal? Check.

    The problem at this point is that only HFCS is blamed, when in fact, any consumption of any object that raises your blood sugar levels is going to lead to chronic disease. The problem, of course, is that many of these things have been touted as "healthy" for the past 40 years.

    And you wonder why we've had an obesity epidemic since the 70s....

    1. Re:The problem is anything that raises blood sugar by Frankie70 · · Score: 4, Informative

      HFCS is evil. Causes obesity, cancers, diabetes, heart disease and other chronic diseases. Why? Because it raises blood sugar levels, which raises insulin levels.

      What else raises your blood sugar?

      Whole wheat bread? Check.

      Orange juice? Check.

      Oatmeal? Check

      Whole Wheat Bread will raise your blood sugar but lesser & slower than White Bread or HFCS or regular sugar because of
      the difference between complex & simple carbohydrates.

      Eating an Orange will raise your sugar less than drinking Orange Juice because the Orange has more fibre in it.

      Consuming any carb will raise your blood sugar, but complex carbs & carbs with fibre are a little better.

    2. Re:The problem is anything that raises blood sugar by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In the US, all of the products you mentioned are usually loaded with added sugar, most likely HFCS. You can thank the corn lobby for that.

      In other parts of the world, whole wheat bread is made without sugar, orange juice has no added sugar and can actually be deliciously slightly sour and outmeal contains nothing but whole oats, possibly steamed and rolled.

      Added sugars of all kinds are problematic, but HFCS is the worst.

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    3. Re:The problem is anything that raises blood sugar by Datamonstar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly. My wife is from Mexico and she and her brother often complain about how damned sweet everything in the US has to be. The same trend follows with people from other countries. They don't use it in products from overseas for a reason. It tastes and behaves completely different from real sugar. I can't for the life of me think of why it's used in damn near everything, even products that are not traditionally though of as "sweet" other than it being so cheap in comparison to real sugar.

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  50. Re:newspeak by Moryath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The problem is, HFCS-55 fails to trigger the satiety reflex properly. And the vast majority of items it's put into are items that already aren't so great for you.

    Soda/pop is particularly bad because it combines multiple known agents: caffeine (diuretic), carbonic acid (makes the tissues of mouth and throat feel dry), sodium chloride (ever drink salt water? Notice how it doesn't help you quench thirst?), and HFCS-55 rather than actual sugar to bypass satiety reflex. "Diet" sodas are even worse; nutrasweet dries out the mouth tissues in an action very similar to the carbonic acid, for a "double whammy."

    The end result being that you can guzzle a 64-ounce Big Gulp down, feel yourself needing to pee, and at the same time still feel thirsty right after you finish the damn thing. Or in other words: go ahead. Drink your weight in nectar, lardo.

  51. Re:In other news by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yup. What makes it different is it is a combination of glucose and fructose in a single molecule, which means it must be broken down first. This ever-so-slightly moderates the effects of fructose, but not much. It's nearly as bad as HFCS.

    Even starches aren't that great, they are simply easy to break down chains of glucose, and ultimately do similar things in your body in large quantities. Starches are better than the others because they take slightly longer to digest, which means the effects are slightly moderated, and they contain no fructose, which has its own special nasty effects.

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  52. Re:newspeak by Svartalf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually the diabetes is for-real and not "pop-culture" medicine. Go reading up on the research. It causes major insulin spikes (because it goes into the bloodstream and doesn't respond to insulin (glucose does that)- and it is processed only by your liver.

    Drinking a corn-syrup sweetened soda is very much like drinking a beer without the drunk- with the same impact on your system.

    HCFS is NOT the same as sucrose, contrary to anything the industry has said on the subject. It's two monosaccarides instead of a disaccaride just for starters- it metabolizes completely differently with differing metabolic effects on you.

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  53. Re:It's not HFCS vs Sugar. It's Sugars vs Stevia. by Svartalf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Uh... Cancer causing? Do you even KNOW what's in Truvia/Purevia?

    Stevia Rubandia A extract and Erythritol...

    If what they're making is cancer-causing, then you're plugging cancer-causing. The only reason they pressured the FDA to allow it, had nothing to do with "cancer-causing" stuff, but rather that they found a patentable way to make big piles of cash cleanly producing sweetener out of an unpatentable plant.

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  54. Going Down Like Tobacco by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sometime in the future, the corn syrup industry (which includes the entire beverage industry, and much of the food industry) is going to see revealed the evidence that its scientists and execs all knew that their corn syrup products were increasing people's cancer, diabetes and other disease rates, and was habit forming. Even as they worked to cover up those evil facts with cheerful, healthy marketing. Exactly like the tobacco industry. Then there'll be hell to pay.

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    1. Re:Going Down Like Tobacco by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's no "global conspiracy". There are, however, increasing amounts of data showing HFCS increases cancer, diabetes and other disease risks. My wife has worked in the beverage business, in labs, for many years, and she agrees that the execs probably have research documenting the risks, based on her actual experience of what goes on, and how the beverage industry has been moving to reduce HFCS for several years, even though it's very profitable and easy.

      You call a myth what people in the industry expect will be fully documented when there are more studies, which have been lacking due to resistance by the HFCS industry. You are the one who obviously doesn't understand science. And you're an obnoxious, hyperbolic strawman jerk.

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  55. Re:It's not HFCS vs Sugar. It's Sugars vs Stevia. by Svartalf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Heh... Depends on if you're using "SweetLeaf" or if you're using Truvia/Purevia. If you're using pure stevia, yeah, it's got this "nifty" licorice aftertaste if you've gotten carried away. The aftertaste isn't QUITE as bad with Stevia blended with Xylitol or Erythritol- and it's actually not as bad as most of the other stuff. Your mileage may vary, but I've had less issues with Stevia than with the other stuff- and I can't do anything with Nutrasweet, so much of the stuff out there is not available to me.

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  56. Sugar: The bitter truth by agarrett · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to this video, HFCS causes a similar amount of harm to the liver per unit as Ethanol, without the fun of being drunk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM Can anyone rebuke this gentleman's claims? Because at the moment I'm simply taking anything i see with HFCS in the ingredients list out of my shopping cart.

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  57. The CRA by oljanx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Corn Refiners Association calls itself a "trade group". Basically it is a propaganda and lobbying machine. Increasingly and accurately people are realizing that corn syrup, specifically high fructose corn syrup, isn't exactly the healthiest thing you can feed yourself and your children. It's in damn near everything that, Americans at least, eat today. It's cheap to produce and appealing to the taste buds. The CRA seems to think that if they change the name of the product they represent, we'll all forget that it's making us fat.

  58. Re:newspeak by gilesjuk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They started using Fructose as it was a little better for diabetics to process over the usual glucose it replaced.

    But the problem is that Fructose is only metabolised by the liver and so it can cause liver damage.

    Every cell in your body can metabolise glucose.

  59. Re:newspeak by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If fructose is so much worse than sucrose, then why is it frequently used as an alternative sweetener to sucrose for diabetics? (See, for example, manufacturers such as Fifty 50)

    Fructose causes blood glucose levels to rise more slowly than glucose (duh...) or sucrose. As a result, it is a better sweetener for diabetics. Sucrose needs to be split into its components (glucose and sucrose) followed by chemical reactions that convert fructose to glucose. Fructose needs to be converted in its entirety.

    However HFCS is pretty bad news, due to that 45% glucose which can be immediately absorbed into the bloodstream (even through the cheeks!) without any processing by the body, it's actually worse than sucrose for diabetics. (It took me a while to get used to "High fructose corn syrup != fructose".)

    (I've been a Type I diabetic for over 15 years.)

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  60. Wrong by tgibbs · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, sucrose is split immediately into glucose and fructose, which from that point is metabolized exactly the same as that in HFCS. There is reasonable evidence that fructose may be bad for you, but you get about the same amount of fructose from typically used HFCS as you do from sucrose. HFCS contains slightly more fructose relative to glucose than does sucrose, but it is also sweeter, so less of it is used. It ends up being pretty much a wash. Details and references to primary scientific literature can be found here.