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Yahoo! To Close Delicious

Thwomp writes "A leaked internal presentation from Yahoo shows that Delicious, the popular bookmark sharing site, will be wound down. According to Daring Fireball's John Gruber the whole team was let go just yesterday. It appears that Delicious is just one of the services in Yahoo's portfolio that is going the way of the Dodo."

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  1. More info beyond Daring Fireball snippet by xmas2003 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Tech Crunch and All Things D. Sounds like the Yahoo folks aren't too happy about the word leaking out - "whoever it is, gone!

    With Yahoo shutting down Del.icio.us, where will we bookmark things such as these delicious Christmas Lights ... HO-HO-HO! ;-)

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    1. Re:More info beyond Daring Fireball snippet by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe somebody leaked is because they were already "gone." Giving 4% of the company a pink slip for their Christmas "bonus" probably affected morale somewhat. Just guessing.

    2. Re:More info beyond Daring Fireball snippet by socz · · Score: 1

      aww that's awesome! thanks

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    3. Re:More info beyond Daring Fireball snippet by Cryacin · · Score: 5, Funny

      Can someone tell me exactly when Yahoo! stopped being synonymous with the expression of glee, and became an adjective describing the people running the company?

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    4. Re:More info beyond Daring Fireball snippet by Megane · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can someone tell me exactly when Yahoo stopped being synonymous with vile and savage creatures, with filthy and with unpleasant habits, and became an expression of glee?

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    5. Re:More info beyond Daring Fireball snippet by mysidia · · Score: 1

      where will we bookmark things such as these delicious Christmas Lights [komar.org] ... HO-HO-HO! ;-)

      StumbleUpon, Furl / Diigo, or Xmarks

    6. Re:More info beyond Daring Fireball snippet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fuck you, that's when.

    7. Re:More info beyond Daring Fireball snippet by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      StumbleUpon, Furl / Diigo, or Xmarks

      For how long?

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    8. Re:More info beyond Daring Fireball snippet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably around the time when it was invented by Jonathan Swift in his book, Gulliver's Travels. Part IV, with the Houyhnhnms.

    9. Re:More info beyond Daring Fireball snippet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How long do you think you're entitled to free service? Run it yourself if you actually give a damn. Whine about it if you're just being a bitch.

      Guess which one I think is right?

    10. Re:More info beyond Daring Fireball snippet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually - Flickr and Groups teams also got canned. Not sure if they are "shutting down".

    11. Re:More info beyond Daring Fireball snippet by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      Can someone tell me exactly when Yahoo [wikipedia.org] stopped being synonymous with vile and savage creatures, with filthy and with unpleasant habits, and became an expression of glee?

      Easy one, it happened the first time a yahoo user was able to find a supermodels site.

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    12. Re:More info beyond Daring Fireball snippet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4% got pink slips so that the other 96% could get a Christmas bonus.

    13. Re:More info beyond Daring Fireball snippet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Delicious is a truly easy and great free online service, please sign now the online petition to keep delicious Alive ! -> http://bit.ly/fEiSR3

  2. Yahoo! and Delicious by Flector · · Score: 2

    There are no words.

  3. the whole team was let go just yesterd by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    According to Daring Fireball's John Gruber the whole team was let go just yesterday.

    Merry Xmas from Yahoo.

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    1. Re:the whole team was let go just yesterd by jcoy42 · · Score: 1

      Are you surprised?

      yahoo [jhu] n pl -hoos a crude, brutish, or obscenely coarse person

      What else would you expect from a bunch of yahoos?

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    2. Re:the whole team was let go just yesterd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in the day, I used to be really excited about Yahoo. I even had a couple of Yahoo-branded DVD players (they were cool-looking with analog VU meters).

      Right now it appears Yahoo closing up shop: geocities, video, now delicio.us ... it's the beginning of the end.

    3. Re:the whole team was let go just yesterd by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      So a company should keep loss-making people on longer just because it's Christmas? Sure it's a cold thing to have to do, but spending extra tens of millions of dollars just to be nice in difficult economic times is something I doubt just about any one of us would do either in the same position.

    4. Re:the whole team was let go just yesterd by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 1

      A few weeks more or less after five years is not a big deal. Del.icio.us was hardly the cause of Yahoo's losses nor a large fraction thereof. Yahoo's problems go quite a bit farther.

    5. Re:the whole team was let go just yesterd by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or maaaaybe...oh I don't know, this is just a thought, I'm just tossing it out here....but maybe they should try to actually do something with the businesses they acquire instead of letting them stagnate almost from the moment of purchase, ala AOHell? If you want to know why Yahoo is on life support, it is quite easy to explain, it is because every damned time they bought a company it spelled DOA for whatever corp they touched. They purchase a property and then almost from that moment there is ZERO promotion, ZERO improvements, and ZERO support. It is like they went on a buzzword bingo scavenger hunt and whenever they bought the next buzzword heavy product they just checked off a box and moved on.

      So while it sucks they were let go on Xmas, really they should have been looking for a job the second they became part of the Yahoo "family". Because with anybody with eyes would have noticed Yahoo has been trying to give AOL a run in the "what were we supposed to do with this again?" stupidity business for quite awhile now.

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    6. Re:the whole team was let go just yesterd by whereiswaldo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This practice of letting people go right before Christmas is just despicable. Besides the obvious human cost, it also reflects VERY poorly on their company. Having worked for a company that did the same thing in the past, I know morale will be very low.

    7. Re:the whole team was let go just yesterd by jelizondo · · Score: 1

      Please, if you are going to close a money-losing operation, you can do it in november. Why keep it going just another couple of weeks?

      Now, if another couple of weeks makes no difference, then close it down after Xmas

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    8. Re:the whole team was let go just yesterd by SashaMan · · Score: 1

      I don't really feel bad for the people let go - trust me, there is already a mad dash by TONS of companies in Silicon Valley who want to scoop up the good employees who were laid off.

      For the people that are left, though, you have to wonder if it feels like they are on a (albeit very slowly) sinking ship. It's got to be extremely difficult for Yahoo to retain good people.

    9. Re:the whole team was let go just yesterd by Chapter80 · · Score: 1

      This practice of letting people go right before Christmas is just despicable. Besides the obvious human cost, it also reflects VERY poorly on their company. Having worked for a company that did the same thing in the past, I know morale will be very low.

      If you feel that 12/15 is a poor time to lay people, presumably you'd prefer that it be after the first of the year - say Monday 1/3. No wait, you can't hit them with a lay off immediately after they get back, so let's make it the 5th.

      So, between 12/16 and 1/5, you have roughly 3 weeks of paid time, and maybe 8 or 9 days of productivity.

      Of course, you are assuming that the company should postpone the layoff, but it seems equally likely that the company would accelerate the layoff, to meet your "not around Christmas" rule. So backing it up 3 weeks, you're looking at the day before Thanksgiving. But practically, it would probably be a day or two before that.

      I say these people should be thankful that they got 3+ extra weeks of pay for the end of November and early December! They could have easily been laid off 11/21, thanks to you and others who think that "right before Christmas" is an issue (when in fact, it was mid-December!)

      Watch what you ask for!

    10. Re:the whole team was let go just yesterd by Chapter80 · · Score: 1

      There are tons of entrepreneurs out there, that create cool things like Delicious, literally creating something out of nothing.

      Corporate America, including Yahoo, is generally good at tending to something, and keeping things going with 5% improvements.

      What's lacking is the "Phase 2 Entrepreneur" that can take a "little something" and make it a "big something". When the Delicious founders sold to Yahoo, the talent and enthusiasm probably went out the door along with the cash.

    11. Re:the whole team was let go just yesterd by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      You know what's even worse for morale? When a company ultimately goes bankrupt because they didn't tighten up spending.

      Yahoo's real problem, if you ask me, is lack of a major value proposition in *anything*. They haven't really built much interesting or exciting in years. They're not getting their name out there or doing anything to create buzz (lower 'b'). Their most valuable asset seems to be a big userbase, but that's only useful if you actually do something exciting with that, a userbase is just unrealised potential. It wasn't that long ago that Yahoo was in the same position - in fact better position - than Google. Google has been throwing out new products and applications and looking aggressively for new revenue streams *relentlessly*.

    12. Re:the whole team was let go just yesterd by alexo · · Score: 1

      You know what's even worse for morale? When a company ultimately goes bankrupt because they didn't tighten up spending.

      You are absolutely correct. I can even suggest how tightening up spending can easily save them over $40M/year.

    13. Re:the whole team was let go just yesterd by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      Yeah, then they'll REALLY be able to attract the kind of management skill you need to make Yahoo a top-notch company!

      I don't follow Yahoo closely enough to know if Bartz is doing an OK job, but I do know enough to know that good IT CEO skills are extremely, extremely rare. By and large, if the skills were more commonplace, then salaries would be much lower, because CEO's would be more easily replaceable and the CEO labor market is completely and brutally a free one. If the owners are keeping a particular CEO on at such expense, it's usually because they feel that the value that person brings to the company is greater than the cost. If they didn't, they would (usually) replace the CEO. And CEO's do often get replaced when they don't perform well. In other words, the shareholders feel that if they replaced Bartz, they would lose much more than 40 million dollars a year. If you disagree with me, then why don't you (or I) apply for the job? Earn the big bucks? Approach the board and tell them you'll do the same job, cheaper? Just think, you could be earning so much money! Fact is, I'm honest enough with myself to know I'm not good enough to run such a company, I'd probably run it into the ground, and it's a great responsibility. So when people whine about executive pay, I often think, 'well instead of whining why don't you just apply for that job'? Fact is almost nobody has the skill and capability for such a job. Not only would I not be able to run Yahoo, truly honestly, I don't even know anyone who would be able to either.

      Sometimes people don't deserve the pay and are still kept on too long, Carly Fiorina at HP comes to mind. But by and large, it's a totally free labor market. Shareholders are people like you or I. If you owned a company, and you had to pick from two people who were identically capable of running your company, but one charged much less - naturally you would choose the cheaper one.

    14. Re:the whole team was let go just yesterd by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      (Apologies for replying to own post) .. continued ... I'm not saying I think Bartz is doing a good job at Yahoo. Clearly Yahoo is slowly sinking. But if the shareholders are keeping her on 'anyway', then probably it means they literally don't know of any better options for who to run the company.

    15. Re:the whole team was let go just yesterd by StormyWeather · · Score: 1

      It's not like they do it because it's Christmas, it's because it's berfore the end of the fiscal year. Also one of my bosses put it to me like this. Would you rather know you are getting laid off before christmas when you can cut back on spending, or after christmas when you have maxed out your credit cards? I personally don't use credit cards, but it's a valid point.

  4. not surprised by greymond · · Score: 1

    As far as social bookmarking sites go I think StumbleUpon was a clear favorite, though Digg and Reddit seemed to be very similar to how Delicious was setup, I wonder who will "win" in the end...actually, I really don't care.

    1. Re:not surprised by Winckle · · Score: 1

      Digg is collapsing.

    2. Re:not surprised by wizardforce · · Score: 1

      Stumbleupon is a good one but Delicious seemed to have more variety in certain tags (eg. anime) and really if you used http://delicious.com/tag/nameoftag?random=1 you'd get a decent channel surfing bookmark right there. Every time you visit that bookmark, it'd redirect to a random page from that (nameoftag replaced w/ tag) tag. Well I guess I'd better start thumbing the hell out of what is worth stumbling before it's all gone.

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    3. Re:not surprised by Kelson · · Score: 2

      They're not quite the same, though. Delicious has always been at least in part about personal use: Sure, it would be cool if someone else saw this neat site I bookmarked and also liked it, but really I'm posting it so that I can find it myself later, since I might not be on the same computer.

      Reddit, Digg, and StumbleUpon, however, are very much about promotion^H^H^H^H^Hsharing, and if you post things just for your own use, they'll get treated as junk or spam.

    4. Re:not surprised by Reilaos · · Score: 3

      I didn't think of Digg nor Reddit really in the same was as I looked at Delicious. Delicious was where I'd shove articles and the like which I found interesting, but wouldn't revisit often enough to warrant space on my browser's bookmark bar.

      Digg and Reddit were places for 'news' and such. You'd put things you'd suspect others would like, as opposed to say, bookmarking the javadoc to a plugin API, or a deal on a particular gadget you've been looking at. I didn't think of those two as a bookmarking service.

    5. Re:not surprised by afabbro · · Score: 1

      They're not quite the same, though. Delicious has always been at least in part about personal use: Sure, it would be cool if someone else saw this neat site I bookmarked and also liked it, but really I'm posting it so that I can find it myself later, since I might not be on the same computer.

      +1. I find delicious very useful for just that purpose. After signing up, I have never accessed it outside of the Firefox add-on that lets me access my bookmarks anywhere.

      I never could figure out how anyone made any money on it...turns out, no one did.

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    6. Re:not surprised by Seumas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm confused by your statement. I don't see a way in which Delicious is anything like StumbleUpon, Digg, and Reddit? Those sites are link-spam sites with comment threads attached to them. Delicious was a database of your bookmarks, online that you could categorize, tag, and utilize just like a bookmark (most browsers have an extension to allow it to replace your actual bookmarks). You could also view other people's bookmarks and view the current most popular (or simply most recent) bookmarks of the entire collective. The fantastic thing about Delicious is that it isn't really any sort of "community" or "social experience". It's just your fucking bookmarks, stored online and that made it awesome.

    7. Re:not surprised by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

      Seriously. I love reddit, love it. But really the only way to use it as a bookmarking service would be to first locate existing submissions of the site you're looking at and then use the save function. Which would be time consuming even if reddit's search function wasn't notorious for being somewhat lackluster.

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    8. Re:not surprised by salesgeek · · Score: 1

      Delicious had great tools for sharing bookmarks with friends. A couple of years ago I started a blogging agency and we used Del.icio.us as a database of source links. It was great because as we saved links, we could notify our writers. If Yahoo really closes it, it will be a tragedy.

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    9. Re:not surprised by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      http://alternativeto.net/software/delicious/

      This has a bunch of alternatives though.

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    10. Re:not surprised by siriuskase · · Score: 1

      Your use of past tense makes me sad. They just announced on the radio that they'd try to sell delicious. Seems strange if they already laid off the staff. Must be an on the fly knee jerk sort of thing.

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    11. Re:not surprised by salesgeek · · Score: 1

      Thanks.

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  5. now.. by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let's hope Yahoo will buy facebook next

    1. Re:now.. by countSudoku() · · Score: 1

      I'll second that. Take them and their douche of the year too! Say, if Yahoo is laying off so many people, why are they trying to hire contractors and such? I keep getting calls about doing admin work for them, but I'm not the type of rat that jumps onto a sinking ship...

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    2. Re:now.. by he-sk · · Score: 1

      [ I like ]

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    3. Re:now.. by MrEricSir · · Score: 4, Funny

      I hope Yahoo will buy Yahoo.

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    4. Re:now.. by PatPending · · Score: 1

      Say, if Yahoo is laying off so many people, why are they trying to hire contractors and such?

      Because of uncertainty about the future:

      This is the first entirely "temporary help service" job recovery. Our current "recovery" might be in its seventeenth month, but the few new private sector jobs have come from companies temporarily hiring staff on a contract basis. What were once jobs reserved for people hired to cover seasonal demand or permanent employees on sick leave have become the standard employment for many workers. Companies simply don't want the risk of hiring workers that they might soon have to get rid of. Since the recovery started in June 2009, the total number of private sector jobs has increased by 203,000. But these weren't "regular," permanent jobs. Indeed, permanent private sector jobs fell by 257,000.

      The explanation behind temporary job creation is pretty simple: uncertainty.

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  6. man by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 5, Funny

    This leaves a bad taste in my mouth

    1. Re:man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's what she said.

    2. Re:man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it's not delicious then?

    3. Re:man by rtyhurst · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      So how's that merger with Microsoft working out?

      Yahoo just let 600 people go in San Francisco:

      http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/12/13/financial/f192043S08.DTL

      And now this.

      It looks like everything Microsoft touches turns to sh#t these days...

    4. Re:man by fotoguzzi · · Score: 1

      I'm no expert, but isn't shedding expenses (in the form of employees) a standard way to prepare for a merger? Then you can say, we don't envision eliminating any personnel in the course of this merger....

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    5. Re:man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umami? Or your mammy?

    6. Re:man by rtyhurst · · Score: 1

      Google, for instance, added nearly 3,500 employees to its work force so for this year and promised everyone raises of at least 10 percent next year. The company, based just a few miles away from Yahoo's Sunnyvale, Calif., headquarters, also gave all 23,300 of its workers an after-tax holiday bonus of $1,000.

      http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/12/13/financial/f192043S08.DTL#ixzz18KJ9rQue

    7. Re:man by macraig · · Score: 1

      Umami? Or ur mammy?

      There, fixed that for u.

    8. Re:man by fotoguzzi · · Score: 1

      Sorry to disagree, but the fact that someone has mod points does give them the right. They aren't _praise points_, after all.

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    9. Re:man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft never "merged" with Yahoo. They simply have several contracts around Bing providing search for Yahoo.

    10. Re:man by jelizondo · · Score: 0

      Concentrate more on promoting than on demoting. The real goal here is to find the juicy good stuff and let others read it. Do not promote personal agendas. Do not let your opinions factor in. Try to be impartial about this. Simply disagreeing with a comment is not a valid reason to mark it down. Likewise, agreeing with a comment is not a valid reason to mark it up. The goal here is to share ideas. To sift through the haystack and find needles. And to keep the children who like to spam Slashdot in check.

      It certainly does not. Perhaps he failed to read and abide by the Moderator Guidelines. Empahsis mine.

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    11. Re:man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eat more fruit and vegetables and less meat. She will look forward to the taste and you will get the benefit of the experience.

    12. Re:man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet, eat a few spoonfuls of cocoa powder. Trust me on this.

    13. Re:man by salesgeek · · Score: 1

      That is why there is metamoderation, where the moderators are moderated. The question is who moderates the metamoderators.

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  7. What is it? by magarity · · Score: 1

    I hadn't heard of it anyway - it looks like just a collection of random links people post; kinda like slashdot except without the banal comments. WTF? Guess I'll make a clone and sell it to Google next year, muahahaha!

    1. Re:What is it? by mazumi · · Score: 5, Informative

      To put it simply, it's a social bookmarking site. It was great though because it integrated with Firefox in such a way that for me, it totally replaced the native bookmarking function. The site had a very simple UI too. And because all the bookmarks are databased I'm able to access them from anywhere. You can also tag and cross-reference the links you bookmark. I have dozens of recipes saved on Delicious, and almost every night I'll access them on my smartphone while I'm cooking or baking. I am really, really disappointed that Delicious is going away.

    2. Re:What is it? by afidel · · Score: 1

      If you're a google user then there's a google bookmarks marklet that allows you to quickly add sites to your google bookmarks from any browser and there's a widget for igoogle that makes it fairly easy to use.

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    3. Re:What is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love to see people proudly trumpeting their ignorance. HEY GUYS WHAT'S THIS THREAD ABOUT I don't know how to Google!

    4. Re:What is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any idea if there's a tool to export your delicious links and import them into marklet? Because I'd really like to do that in the next few days...

    5. Re:What is it? by afidel · · Score: 1

      Looks like you can export your stuff into a standard Netscape bookmark format, import that into firefox and use the google toolbar in firefox to cram them into google bookmarks (or at least you could a year ago, not sure if that feature is still in the google toolbar as I don't run it).

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    6. Re:What is it? by LionKimbro · · Score: 2

      del.icio.us is one of the best research tools on the Internet, -- especially for keeping abreast of innovations in the programming world.

      It works like this:

      You're working on text processing in Python, or something. So you search delicious for "python" and "textprocessing."

      You go through the results, most of which are fairly generic.

      But when you find something interesting -- you don't stop there: You ask, "Who was this person who thought this was interesting?"

      Then you look at *that person's* tags under "Python". Do they look interesting? That is: Is this person looking for things that are interesting and relevant to you? They aren't bookmarking the ordinary mainstream things, that is.

      Then you add that person to your *network.* Get a group of about 10 interesting individuals into the network.

      Then search for "python" and "python textprocessing" in that network -- and now you start to get very, very interesting results, consistently.

    7. Re:What is it? by Seumas · · Score: 2

      Delicious was a bookmarking service that stored your bookmarks online. You tagged them and they were searchable both through the web interface and through your browser, with extensions (in fact, you could entirely replace your browser's bookmarking system). You could also see other people's bookmarks or view a collective stream of most recent/popular links, if you wanted. Mostly, it was just a great service for storing your bookmarks so that they were always accessible through any service that had a web interface. You have Weave/Sync now, in Firefox. And Chrome has its own thing. But with Delicious, you could use any browser or device and not worry about it.

      It wasn't a discussion site or a social network or a voting site or a daily news site or even necessarily a place to go to find cool links. It was just a great place to store and access your own links. I've personally got several thousand bookmarks on it dating back about five or six years. I'll export them and find a replacement service, but Delicious really had it nailed. The alternatives I've seen (a few years ago, at least) worked poorly or had too many functions that cluttered things.

      I can't imagine it costs that much to operate. Especially if you only have under a million users on it, today. A database, a few servers, and some bandwidth. The site itself hasn't changed in ages and I don't think the API has, either. Hell, I'd pay five bucks a year for a subscription to it.

    8. Re:What is it? by Seumas · · Score: 1

      I don't think I can bring myself to use Google as a replacement for this service. First, I don't really like the Google Bookmarks interface and features. Second, I really don't like it kind of being mixed into he whole "web history" data mining stuff. And finally, I just kind of feel better keeping my entire bookmark database stored separately from Google. They already have enough and know enough about me. I'd kind of like to keep all my bookmarks away from them. Although . . . I guess maybe that's pointless, since they already know what sites I use and visit, since I often am doing it directly through their search engine. Meh.

    9. Re:What is it? by afidel · · Score: 1

      Exactly, I figure they already know everything about me, why give out information to yet ANOTHER 3rd party. I'm normally pretty careful with my information, to the point where I've been denied the ability to rent a car because they would not take no for an answer on home phone number, but Google offers me enough value in services to give up some of that anonymity.

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    10. Re:What is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes it sucks, i agree and use delicious for a lot of bookmarking. as to your recipe point, i have been using an alternate solution- make another gmail account just for food (don't really tell anyone about it) then copy and paste in text of recipes in a semi-universal style: ingredients, prep, other text, url to orig recipe, i even attach a picture if there is one. then add labels for general tags- "dinner, lunch, appetizer, soups, from_internet, untested, reference" you can even reply to message threads if you make something and want to adjust it later

      the nice part of this is you get google's powerful search, and the felxibility to access it easily on any device you have. also you control the information so you're less dependent on some website going down

      just my two cents, its a bit of work but i've been happy with how its turned out so far, and have been using this system for about a year and a half now.

    11. Re:What is it? by salesgeek · · Score: 1

      Hell, I'd pay five bucks a year for a subscription

      This. Del.icio.us was always a product that was good enough that they could have charged for it.

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    12. Re:What is it? by Tolkien · · Score: 1

      Google already has a Bookmarks feature that also integrates with Search.

  8. Sad by Monoman · · Score: 2

    I like delicious and the FF toolbar to manage all of my bookmarks. Can we have some replacement suggestions?

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    1. Re:Sad by jadrian · · Score: 1

      Personally I use Google Bookmarks. Fairly, simple but enough for my needs. Furthermore I like to have them associated with my google account. I manage them with "Yet Another Google Bookmarks Extension" for Chromium.

    2. Re:Sad by mazumi · · Score: 1

      Same here. I just found out about this so I'm definitely going to be researching replacements...I've never looked into it because, well, I've been using Delicious for *years*. If I have to, I'll start a site and create a FF add-on myself. I'm too used to being able to tag, organize, and access my bookmarks from anywhere.

    3. Re:Sad by IshmaelDS · · Score: 1

      If you don't need the social aspect, use http://www.xmarks.com/

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    4. Re:Sad by mariasama16 · · Score: 1

      But yet (and here's the kicker for me), you can't synchronize Google Bookmarks with say Chrome's bookmarks. And I can't find any bookmarking tool accessible from multiple computers (and with multiple Google accounts if thats what it uses for authentication) that would synchronize "cloud" with my Chrome bookmarks so that they'd show up in the omnibar without me needing to do a specific keyword search. Delicious allowed that (or at least there was a Delicious extension that enabled the feature).

    5. Re:Sad by mazumi · · Score: 1

      Looked into a few, ended up with Diigo. I exported a backup of my bookmarks from Delicious though so if I don't like Diigo I can easily try another service like xmarks.

    6. Re:Sad by Wooky_linuxer · · Score: 1

      The question is, I don't like to have yet another service tied up to a Google account, for two reasons; first, I am afraid my account may be suspended - happened already - and then I lose my bookmarks as well - which were real handy when Google screwed up my account. Secondly, I have and use more than one account and don't want my bookmarks to be tied up to one. To make things worse, I use three browsers (Firefox, Chrome, and Safari) so a browser specific bookmarking tool won't do it. Any other suggestions?

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    7. Re:Sad by jadrian · · Score: 1

      True. I expected good Chrome extensions for Google services, made by Google. But that is not the case at all which is surprising. Even their GMail checker is pretty bad, doesn't even support multiple accounts (so I use Simple Gmail Checker instead).

    8. Re:Sad by Kelson · · Score: 1

      Chrome has its own bookmark sync now (separate from Google Bookmarks, IIRC) that does what you want. Open up Options, then go to the Personal Stuff tab.

      If you need to sync across multiple browsers, Xmarks will sync Chrome, Firefox, IE and Safari.

    9. Re:Sad by Speckz · · Score: 1

      I'm moving mine to http://www.diigo.com/. You can import your Del.icio.us bookmarks once you exported them via https://secure.delicious.com/settings/bookmarks/export @ http://www.diigo.com/tools/import_all. You can also use this https://api.del.icio.us/v1/posts/all to expor it as an XML.

    10. Re:Sad by Kelson · · Score: 1

      To make things worse, I use three browsers (Firefox, Chrome, and Safari) so a browser specific bookmarking tool won't do it. Any other suggestions?

      At the risk of repeating myself: Xmarks. It'll sync Firefox, Chrome, Safari and IE.

    11. Re:Sad by mariasama16 · · Score: 1

      The Chrome bookmark sync requires that you use the same Google account to do so, which is exactly what I don't want (no need for my personal bookmarks to be at work). It is a feature I make use of to allow multiple computers stay in sync, but I specifically want the ability to be at work, click on a button in my toolbar and bookmark a site in such a way that it'd show up on my personal computer where my start page extension's "recent bookmarks" would show it. Somehow I guess that is something that not many want and something I fell in love with when switching to Chrome from Firefox (and installing the Delicious extensions in Chrome).

    12. Re:Sad by artisteeternite · · Score: 1

      I've also just imported everything to diigo.com. I'm guessing a lot of people are doing that today because it took about 3 hours for everything to upload from my exported file (and still waiting on tags). So far I like it because I can choose "private" as the default setting.

    13. Re:Sad by mariasama16 · · Score: 1

      Oh, and adding that I used Xmarks back when it was known as Foxmarks and even during when it changed names and had sync profiles set up with it. Those managed to cross over at some point and it was rather a pain to fix. That was before I had put pretty much all my bookmarks online, so it'd be a larger pain now.

    14. Re:Sad by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Xmarks for bookmark management, and StumbleUpon for site discovery. SU stores favorited items into a bookmarks folder (in addition to the SU profile), and Xmarks does synchronization.

      Both have excellent cross-browser/cross-platform plugins.

      Warning: the Stumble button can be habit forming.

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    15. Re:Sad by Facegarden · · Score: 1

      I like delicious and the FF toolbar to manage all of my bookmarks. Can we have some replacement suggestions?

      Use Chrome? Sync is built-in, and will only improve as google continues to develop for ChromeOS.

      -Taylor

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    16. Re:Sad by Seumas · · Score: 1

      Man, that's totally opposite of me. I absolutely do NOT want an entire database of thousands of bookmarks and tags associated with the rest of my google account.

      It's already bad enough that I was playing around with Chrome for a few weeks and now I have an entire hierarchy of fucking Chrome bookmarks in my Google Docs that it won't let me delete. I guess maybe if I install Chrome again, tie it to my account, then delete the bookmarks through the browser it might remove them from my account, but it'd sure be nicer if I could just select the folders in Docs and hit "DELETE".

    17. Re:Sad by Thwomp · · Score: 1

      Pinboard? I just heard about it myself. You have to pay around $7 for an account (the price increases as the user-base grows), however you can get a refund in the first three days if you don't like it.

      It has the ability to import from Delicious and, naturally, export your data back out. Thought I'd give it a whirl.

      Something in the roadmap caught my eye:

      Get acquired by Yahoo and slowly grow useless

    18. Re:Sad by Rexdude · · Score: 1

      Diigo. It has all the functionality of Delicious (can import from there directly) and also lets you add your own clippings, highlights and annotations to a page. With the FF toolbar, you can highlight and bookmark any text on a page, or do a screen capture of a webpage and save it.

      When Diigo started, I was torn between using it and Delicious, then decided to continue with both (If I save something on Diigo, it gets auto posted to Delicious as well). Now the choice is clear.

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    19. Re:Sad by salesgeek · · Score: 1

      I would prefer something that does *not* require a toolbar... er... spybar, thank you.

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    20. Re:Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Diigo and its FF toolbar? Supports all the features of Delicious, can import bookmarks and tag cloud directly from Delicious, and also has a couple of new features going for it.

    21. Re:Sad by pdragon04 · · Score: 1

      Just signed up for pinboard myself. Was up to $8.12 and in the short time I signed up went up another 2 cents when I went back to look again. They've got a heavy traffic notice on their site as well. So looks like one company's failure may be this company's boon! Seems like they did everything Delicious did for me before and little more. Thanks for the suggestion!

    22. Re:Sad by ClioCJS · · Score: 1

      But will it do daily blog posts like delicious? This drives 1000s of blogs. I'm not going to pay $7 for something that does less than what I do now for free.

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    23. Re:Sad by ClioCJS · · Score: 1

      But does it do Daily Blog Posting to people with wordpress blogs? 1000s of people currently depend on delicious to drive their blog daily posted links.

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    24. Re:Sad by pdragon04 · · Score: 1

      If it doesn't do what you need to do, don't pay and move along.

    25. Re:Sad by ClioCJS · · Score: 1

      I would prefer to leave a comment, so other people in my situation know not to bother with it. Your comment, however, served no purpose other than whining about mine. Way to go.

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  9. Part of the 600 by ackthpt · · Score: 1

    Some of the 600 cut from Yahoo, I guess. Not too surprises how many bookmarking/aggregating sites do you need?

    Best of luck to them, tough economy out there.

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    1. Re:Part of the 600 by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      Not too surprises how many bookmarking/aggregating sites do you need?

      Just one, and it's been del.icio.us for around 5 years or so.

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  10. Going the way of the Dodo... by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Funny

    You mean hunted into extinction because they were Delicious?

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    1. Re:Going the way of the Dodo... by Cochonou · · Score: 1

      The irony is that from historical evidence, it seems that the Dodo tasted rather poor.

  11. global aggregates by Flector · · Score: 1

    should be about dl.dropbox.com

  12. Scrooge-like by Godskitchen · · Score: 1

    Canning an entire dept right before xmas? Rough.

    1. Re:Scrooge-like by a2wflc · · Score: 1

      happened to me once. sucked at the time but I'd rather have them do it to me a week before new year's than the week after. 14 months later I was glad I didn't have to worry about their w-2 for the IRS - for me it was a small company that would have forgot and I'd have had a bad time trying to get the the w-2 if they were even around.

      This may be different since they get a severance package - not sure if it's a lump sum now or extends to next year but would be better for both parties if it's over this year.

  13. What am I supposed to do now? by Eamorr · · Score: 0

    WTF??? I use delicious to manage all my bookmarks. Will they be offering a zip download compatible with other bookmarking services? I darn well hope so.

    1. Re:What am I supposed to do now? by he-sk · · Score: 5, Informative

      You can export your bookmarks here: https://secure.delicious.com/settings/bookmarks/export

      It's a standard Netscape bookmark file, so I expect other services to be able to import from it. But I haven't researched it yet.

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    2. Re:What am I supposed to do now? by Kylose · · Score: 1

      I just exported them and the tags got lost when I tried to import them into Xmarks. Have to weed out all my porn links and put them in "Educational Materials".

    3. Re:What am I supposed to do now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or you can just go command-line with: curl --user user:pass -o delicious_bookmarks.xml -O 'https://api.del.icio.us/v1/posts/all'

    4. Re:What am I supposed to do now? by jlrowe · · Score: 1
      Well, I hate this change. I use Deli a lot. And my bookmarks are all in categories. And it looks like none of that exports; only the bookmarks themselves. So that stinks as well.

      And I do not know of an equivalent service, period.

      I suppose the reason they might [are] dropping Deli is the lack of money coming in, as I don't know where that income would come from.

    5. Re:What am I supposed to do now? by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      The tags are in the HTML file that Delicious exports as an attribute in the anchor tags for the bookmarks (i.e., <a href="...." tags="foo,bar">) IIRC. So worst case scenario, write a Python script that uses something like this regex: tags="[^"]*?porn[^"]*?" to weed out your porn links.

    6. Re:What am I supposed to do now? by siriuskase · · Score: 1

      Thanks. Too bad there isn't an way to replace all functionality. Although the primary benefit of delicious to me is the ability to use the same bookmarks from different computers, I also find the crowd tagging and descriptions useful. Some people out there tag and describe differently than me. It is also useful to explore bookmarks created by other people that are tagged kinda like whatever set of bookmarks I'm working with. It's a kind of search that results in pages I would have bookmarked had I found them, but someone has come along and bookmarked them for me. How nice!

      Would be nice if they could sell it or spin it off to someone who cares. Surely it has some resale value, or are they shutting it down because it competes with something else they do?

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    7. Re:What am I supposed to do now? by Roman+Mamedov · · Score: 1

      Yep, and then just import it into http://sourceforge.net/projects/scuttle/ , which is a del.icio.us replacement to run on your own server.

    8. Re:What am I supposed to do now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can use a free software called SemanticScuttle [1] to store and share your links on the web. There are some webservices that use it.

    9. Re:What am I supposed to do now? by Xserv · · Score: 1

      Is it wrong, out of habit, I just added this to my del.icio.us account?

      #FAIL

      Xserv

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    10. Re:What am I supposed to do now? by zeroeth · · Score: 1

      Or you can just go command-line with: curl --user user:pass -o delicious_bookmarks.xml -O 'https://api.del.icio.us/v1/posts/all'

      This only works for accounts not linked up with Yahoo. Those require OAUTH unfortunately.

  14. Are they that broke? by dex22 · · Score: 2

    Yahoo must have decided the bad publicity of making people redundant right before Christmas was still less than the cost of keeping them on the payroll for one more month.

    Low, Yahoo!

    1. Re:Are they that broke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the gift that keeps on giving!

    2. Re:Are they that broke? by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      Dec. 31st is the end of the quarter.

  15. Current mood: stage 1 denial by he-sk · · Score: 1

    Why? :-(

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    1. Re:Current mood: stage 1 denial by hugortega · · Score: 3, Insightful

      money

    2. Re:Current mood: stage 1 denial by fotoguzzi · · Score: 2

      Bargaining stage: Could del.icio.us buy itself back? How much money would yahoo want for the whole thing?

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    3. Re:Current mood: stage 1 denial by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 1

      I guess that never crosses people's minds. Too obtuse and not intuitively obvious enough.

    4. Re:Current mood: stage 1 denial by he-sk · · Score: 1

      I don't get it.

      Can't they run context-sensitive ads like on GMail? Or don't delicious users go to the web site? I know I do when I want to look something up.

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    5. Re:Current mood: stage 1 denial by he-sk · · Score: 1

      Thankfully that idea is floating around. Apparently, the co-editor of mashable is interested: http://twitter.com/#!/benparr/status/15569949812592640

      Or maybe crowd-fund it via kickstarter.

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  16. Well, consumer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    bend over for corporate interest, and make sure you don't rely on services that someone else owns (free or paid). Never mind those "institutions" that used to make the web worthwhile. Instead, accept the rule of RoI. The web is free (hands off my beer, though!) - as long as the equity return is two-digit and rises every ye^z^z month. Exponentially. As we all know, there is such a thing as exponential growth, and it just keeps going... . And it's gonna make us rich. Or someone ... or... some shareholder, or... ok not those that do the actual _work_ but... I dunno. Please ignore this rant while I eat soap.

  17. Sucks by jtla · · Score: 1

    I actually use delicious. I find it helpful for bookmarking and looking up sites based on my tags. I guess I'll allow google to handle another internet service for me now?
    Its one of those great internet tools that millions of people use but generates zero revenue (I'm guessing of course but I don't see where any revenue comes from with this).

    1. Re:Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could move to the competing Diigo, which provides all the features of Delicious and a few more - without getting in the way.

  18. recommendation by Flector · · Score: 1

    Any browser can export bookmarks to any other browser, import perfectly, via html.

    1. Re:recommendation by Sigma+7 · · Score: 1

      The main issue is synchronizing bookmarks across browsers rather than just copying them. While you could copy bookmarks.html between computers, it's a bit of a clumsy way of doing it, and results hoping that you don't obliterate bookmarks between copies. Of course, if you have a metric ton of bookmarks, you probably want to offload them to some other resource.

      There's also keeping track of metadata such as visit count, last time visited, or some other things. Specifically, the upgrade from Firefox 2 to Firefox 3 hosed the metadata, which could be just as easily on other sites.

      Of course, you could whore karma by pointing out you can import/export bookmarks from Delicious. Click Settings at the top-right, go to the Bookmarks header, then click Export / Backup.

    2. Re:recommendation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Syncing bookmarks is exactly what Firefox Sync aims to do. Windows Live Mesh does the same for the IE crowd.

  19. Yahoo may leave us in out in the cold soon by vlueboy · · Score: 2

    It is beginning to be a problem that Yahoo is dying slowly. First, they started compressing pictures that used to be fullsized in their popular "Groups" 10 years ago. Then, they started removing Briefcases. Last year, I had to review my Geocities files for anything important before they removed it. This year, their Hotjobs service got merged with Monster.com, so I'll lose my account there too.

    I use Yahoo mail to get around the all-too-popular mailbox purge that the more "hip" webmails use. That is to avoid being forced into a paywall when I stop checking mail. Seeing that they are downsizing and the frequency of their cuts is increasing, I'm have to move all 12 years' worth of my mail and profile data elsewhere before it dies. I don't want it to be warningless like when WHQuestion closed down and everyone migrated to KnowPost but lost all their pictures, answers and intersting conversations with other great minds. I don't want my posts and attachments here to go the same way. Sadly, two more years like that and Yahoo will surely be dead, like Altavista. Funny thing is, I just found out Yahoo owns them now. Acquisitions don't always mean the old clients stay with the new boss, which might be Google or something, and my data will be open for a greater evil then.

    Now that I think about my knowledge of Facebook, wiping Yahoo data now won't help keep it safe; "delete" doesn't exist when there's money to be made off of my time.

    1. Re:Yahoo may leave us in out in the cold soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know it's dying and you haven't moved away yet. Do you make back-ups or just swear when your drive fails?

      I wonder what will happen when they get rid of groups. I'm on a ton of lists. It's going to suck out loud when they go away.

    2. Re:Yahoo may leave us in out in the cold soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They bought MusicMatch and ass-raped it too.

    3. Re:Yahoo may leave us in out in the cold soon by vlueboy · · Score: 1

      Groups? It's a nostalgia thing for me, but I'm in a ton; just never did more than lurking.

      Thanks to the other commenter for reminding me of how nice Launch was before Musicmatch limits started to be imposed. It was great sharing playlists / stations... but that was in like 2004.

      I haven't moved for the same reason people don't leave Facebook. This AC probably is a member of FB too; I never joined, and plan on passing on everything I haven't already joined too. The last thing I need is for a "all 1990's Usenet = public in 2005 and you posted under your real name, kthanks--bye^H^H^H_HI!!!" with all my late nineties and this whole decades' data.

      When a drive fails^W^W^W I mistakenly delete my own data, I cringe, but only because it's a pain finding what version of my file is in what folder, zip file or format. I haven't figured how to back up Yahoo emails because POP3 isn't free.

      Ah, friday night.... talking to myself and maybe this imaginary AC :)

      Thanks.

  20. meh, Yahoo! vs. Google by Flector · · Score: 1

    You're kidding, right?

  21. Web 2.0 just isn't profitable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't see why people are surprised about this. Web 2.0 sites just aren't truly profitable. The value they deliver is extremely minor compared to the massive infrastructure costs needed to keep many of them going. In any other industry, such a "business" would be shut down really quickly.

    1. Re:Web 2.0 just isn't profitable. by mysidia · · Score: 2

      Probably true... Web 2.0 gave rise to Bubble 2.0, which soon enough will give rise to Crash 2.0, I am afraid.

    2. Re:Web 2.0 just isn't profitable. by Phase+Shifter · · Score: 1

      Depends on whether people are intelligent enough to invest in technology, rather than buzzwords.

      That said, I've been pretty much underwhelmed with "web 2.0."

  22. Worst Decision by Yahoo by crf00 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the dumbest move I see Yahoo doing, for shutting down the only Yahoo product left that is ACTUALLY USEFUL. (besides Flickr, but I don't use it anyway)

    Seriously I am horrified and disappointed if this decision is for real. I have over 300 bookmarks stored in Delicious, and Delicious has been an extremely useful search engine for me. Because the search is based on social tagging that has gone through by human mind, Delicious is far more powerful than even Google for generic terms search, especially for single term queries that are too generic to return any useful results from other search engines. I don't know why such a useful site has become so less popular, but I believe it is just largely due to the lack of marketing and ignorance by Yahoo since the acquisition.

    So far I don't know any other social bookmarking site that is better than Delicious. Perhaps I should start searching, but if anyone here in Slashdot knows one, please do tell me.

    Anyway for those who are desperate like me to backup their Delicious bookmarks, here is the export link.

    1. Re:Worst Decision by Yahoo by imthesponge · · Score: 1

      Probably because of the stupid name ("delicious"? Really?), and the silly domain name they had at the start.

    2. Re:Worst Decision by Yahoo by Kylose · · Score: 1

      The best alternative seems to be Xmarks but their tagging pales in comparison. My 265 bookmarks need a new home!

    3. Re:Worst Decision by Yahoo by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      This is the dumbest move I see Yahoo doing, for shutting down the only Yahoo product left that is ACTUALLY USEFUL.

      Actually useful (for you) does not imply actually profitable (for Yahoo!)

    4. Re:Worst Decision by Yahoo by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 1

      I suspect that the vast majority of users put bookmarks there to drive traffic to their sites, not because it is otherwise particularly useful.

    5. Re:Worst Decision by Yahoo by dswensen · · Score: 1

      Yeah, good point. No website with a stupid, non-intuitive domain name was ever successful.

    6. Re:Worst Decision by Yahoo by Alex+Zepeda · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Probably because Yahoo! ran them into the ground. That's what Yahoo! does. They buy things (they don't innovate) and ruin them. They're like a smaller, hipper Microsoft.

      I use Flickr, Delicious, and probably a few other things that are Yahoo brands. They've actively meddled with Flickr making the UI worse with each revision. Instead of focusing on reliability and core features, they've added a bunch of asinine bling. With Delicious they've merely left it alone to rot for the most part. Actually I'm fairly surprised that they're shutting Delicious down because they just pushed a UI update in the past month or so. I rather liked Delicious because it let me synchronize my bookmarks across different browsers and because it let me categorize my bookmarks easily.

      As far as I'm concerned, this is further proof that Carol Bartz is a first class asshole who knows shit for all about running a business. Sure, the stockholders were pissed when Jerry Yang refused to sell out to Microsoft but at least Yang had decent reasons (preserving the brand identity and corporate culture) for doing what he did. Bartz is just another short-term profits first type CEO. Like Fiorina, Hurd, and Nardelli, Bartz thinks her slash and burn style is a one-size fits all type thing when in fact it's a one-size fits none.

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    7. Re:Worst Decision by Yahoo by loimprevisto · · Score: 2

      I have been using delicious for a very long time. I have almost a thousand bookmarks collected over the past 5 years. I use it to tag things that I find interesting and will want to reference later, as a search engine to explore tags and find relevant sites when I'm getting interested in a new subject, and to be able to reference bookmarks from work or any other computer I find myself at. I have not seen much spam at all; the only time I ran into links that were obviously spammy was when checking out porn related tags... and even then it wasn't terrible.

      It was a good service. I was a little worried when they got bought by Yahoo, and now I'm sorry to see it go. I've seen Diigo and Xmarks tossed around in this discussion as alternatives- I hope they are as useful as del.icio.us was.

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    8. Re:Worst Decision by Yahoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      300? I have close to a thousand, and I know others who have orders of magnitude more. The order of data which you could accumulate on Delicious is huge, and the loss is correspondingly huge.

    9. Re:Worst Decision by Yahoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only reason slashdot doesn't bleed more cash is because it gets so little traffic, sees virtually no development on its codebase, and doesn't pay anyone to generate original content.

      As for delicious, I dare you to ask the ten people where to put the two dots in that domain and see if even half get it right. Still, they could have called it "bookmarks.yahoo.com" if they were at all serious about it.

      I can't think of a single yahoo property I use anymore or even want to.

    10. Re:Worst Decision by Yahoo by artisteeternite · · Score: 1

      I just switched to diigo.com. And you can import your Delicious bookmarks into it.

    11. Re:Worst Decision by Yahoo by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      This is the dumbest move I see Yahoo doing, for shutting down the only Yahoo product left that is ACTUALLY USEFUL TO ME

      There, fixed that for you.
       
      Oh, and just as a by-the-way, the universe doesn't revolve around you.

    12. Re:Worst Decision by Yahoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've got 2500 of them, in each of 2 accounts.
      This sucks biiiig time.

    13. Re:Worst Decision by Yahoo by Rilian · · Score: 1

      What about Netvouz http://www.netvouz.com/ who seem to be just like Delicious and have been around for a few years (2003 ?). I don't know who owns them, though.

    14. Re:Worst Decision by Yahoo by jaq1an · · Score: 1

      I don't understand why they are shutting it down, why not try to sell it? How many members does Delicious have, must be a HUGE database of saved, tagged and crosslinked websites. Pity there is no wiki- bookmarking site that we could all import our bookmarks into. Nothing out there really grabs me at the mo :( Rob

    15. Re:Worst Decision by Yahoo by jaq1an · · Score: 1

      Check out wikipedia Xmarks is closing down!

  23. Diigo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Delicious has served me well in the past few years, but I guess it's time to move on.
    My bookmarks and tag cloud are being exported to the competing Diigo as we speak.

  24. They are also kiling Altavista by lhaeh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From looking at the leaked slide, they are getting rid of Altavista which has more meaning for me. Delicious as just another Web 2.0 company, but Altavista was an early pioneer on the web and could have easily been what Google is now.

    1. Re:They are also kiling Altavista by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 1

      Easily? Seems like it's not all that easy to be as successful as Google. Also seems like Altavista couldn't pull it off. I think maybe you work with the bizarro definition of the word.

    2. Re:They are also kiling Altavista by snarkh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Perhaps being passed around from Digital Equipment to Compaq to HP had something to do with it not being successful.
      But in mid/late 90's it was the best search engine by far.

    3. Re:They are also kiling Altavista by noidentity · · Score: 1

      They should keep operating a company just because is symbolizes web searches before Google, and could have been Google (but wasn't)?

    4. Re:They are also kiling Altavista by BeanThere · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think he meant 'easy' as in were in the best market position to be able to do so, as they were once one of the (if not the?) most popular search engines on the Web --- a position in which, by definition, you have it theoretically easier than *anyone else*, i.e. it would've been easier for them to be the next Google than Google. But the Google guys worked both smarter and harder. In that context, "easy" is indeed the best term and I understood it perfectly clearly.

    5. Re:They are also kiling Altavista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should keep operating a company just because is symbolizes web searches before Google, and could have been Google (but wasn't)?I didn't see him say, or imply, this at all. Which comment were you reading?

    6. Re:They are also kiling Altavista by fotoguzzi · · Score: 1

      Funny, that's exactly what he implied, to me. Parent comment.

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    7. Re:They are also kiling Altavista by Ex+Machina · · Score: 1

      The real tragedy here is the destruction of the community. Altavista has no more value to me, but with delicious I know I can bounce over and check out what my friend Bob bookmarked about Ruby in 2006 or look at the history of annotations to a URL. That data will become inaccessible to me & I'll likely loose contact with some people I only follow through delicious.

    8. Re:They are also kiling Altavista by Mana+Mana · · Score: 4, Informative

      Are you kidding? Yes AV was the first major search engine but you seem to forget or be ignorant of how it sold search positions AND how it bragged to the IT media how AV was farsighted, how that approach was the way forward, and only a fool could think otherwise. That and untargeted display advertisement was their doom. Now you say that's 20/20 hindsight thinking, but, here on /. concurrently it was discussed and highlighted how their approach was completely wrong and how time would prove it so. And it came to pass, and not too long afterward the ascendancy among geeks of alternative engines was apparent. I have no love lost nor nostalgia for them, their results sucked hard at the time, we were all fed up with their bad quality never mind the paid results.

      Their domain was disconnected for years and sold repeatedly at base prices. They tried to come back as an mp3 engine for a while but then the mafiaa got into the ass kicking game.

    9. Re:They are also kiling Altavista by Nimey · · Score: 1

      What killed AltaVista was their PHBs deciding to turn it into a portal like Yahoo (this was back when they were still with Digital, or possibly after the Compaq acquisition) instead of as a pure search engine with a fast, minimalist interface very much like Google's.

      Before that, they were the fastest and most complete search engine anywhere. After the portalification, their site could take a few /minutes/ to load and it was so full of junk it was hard to find anything.

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    10. Re:They are also kiling Altavista by ghjm · · Score: 1

      Altavista was what Google had to defeat to become #1. It's like saying the Edmonton Oilers could "easily" have won the 2006 Stanley Cup, if they hadn't lost to the Carolina Hurricanes in Game 7 of the finals. Many people use the word this way - I don't think it's that bizarre a definition.

    11. Re:They are also kiling Altavista by gmack · · Score: 2

      It was... but then Google had the idea to not actually trust what web pages said about their own content. I really don't miss the large set of search exclusions I had to use back in those days to avoid links designed to game the search engines.

    12. Re:They are also kiling Altavista by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      The real tragedy here is the destruction of the community.

      Welcome to the new, improved, consolidated Internet. Prepare for a lot more communities to die if we don't get Net Neutrality.

      And yes, this does have something to do with Net Neutrality.

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    13. Re:They are also kiling Altavista by Seumas · · Score: 2

      Except, it isn't what Google is.

      Delicious, on the other hand, is kind of the de-facto online bookmarking resource, as far as I'm concerned. They have just enough features with none of the clutter and crap of the other competing sites. It's the only Yahoo! service I use (in fact, I forgot to mention it in another thread when I mentioned that I don't use any Yahoo! stuff -- because I had forgotten they purchased Delicious).

      Delicious is an actual useful service and it seems that if you can monetize every other page on the net in some way, you should *certainly* be able to monetize Delicious pages in some way (not that it should cost that much to run a few servers churning out Delicious results for users). I always felt Delicious offered a real "zeitgeist" of the web at any given moment.

      Oh well, if they don't want the business, I'm sure others will. I'll just miss how simplistic and non-bloated they were. Everything else tries to be too social or have too many bells and whistles.

    14. Re:They are also kiling Altavista by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 0

      I guess if we can just use whatever we want to mean whatever we want, I could care less.

    15. Re:They are also kiling Altavista by Renegade88 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, TheEndOfDays, you're just being a jerk. The original intent was clear, the BeanThere's explanation was clear. If there's a comprehension problem, it's likely with you.

    16. Re:They are also kiling Altavista by tnovelli · · Score: 0

      Altavista was a great search engine until they redesigned it as a 'portal' jam-packed with widgets and animated GIF ads that took forever to load. Then Google came along with a simple, fast, mostly text-based UI. Altavista, Yahoo, or anyone could have done it, had it occurred to the guys in charge that users actually know how to type.

    17. Re:They are also kiling Altavista by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Now we just need a new search engine which doesn't actually trust the links to web sites ...
      I think unless we get search engines which really understand what web pages say, every search algorithm will get tricked. A new algorithm will be successful until the SEOs find out how to trick it, and then it goes downhill.

      Actually the Altavista search at least had the advantage that people didn't get a desire to spam guest books etc. with links.

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    18. Re:They are also kiling Altavista by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      Strawman much?

    19. Re:They are also kiling Altavista by Gkeeper80 · · Score: 1

      Altavista has been dead for a while. Not just the public website that was the king of web search, but the indexing database that you could purchase. I used to work for a group that used Altavista to index and search academic materials but the system stopped evolving in the 90's. I remember back around 2005 we couldn't even get them to give us 64-bit or Linux compatible binaries. The software was designed for running on one large machine at a time, no blades or decentralization.

      We transitioned away from Altavista because of those issues. I guess enough others have too.

    20. Re:They are also kiling Altavista by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      I still remember when the domain was altavista.digital.com. Man, those were the days.

      Now, get off my lawn, the lot of you.

    21. Re:They are also kiling Altavista by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Back in the mid-90s Altavista was the search engine, and was definitely in prime position to occupy that slot today.

      Google beat them, but it would (or at least should) have been easy for them to maintain their dominance given their lead and position at the time.

  25. Yahoo's "user oriented" culture by macshit · · Score: 0

    I've had a yahoo mail account longer than any other web-mail account, but I haven't used it so much recently (gmail has a much better user-interface). Still, I like to keep it around for various reasons.

    I logged into it for the first time in half a year yesterday, and ... it tells me "Your account has been made dormant due to inactivity of over 4 months. All your mail has been deleted."

    Oh. Thanks yahoo!

    Though I'm sure that policy makes sense to the accountants ("they were just using up our disk space and not generating us any income!"), it says an awful lot about their attitude towards their users.

    (and wtf, 4 months?! That's a long vacation!)

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    1. Re:Yahoo's "user oriented" culture by Digicrat · · Score: 1

      The same thing happened to my M$ hotmail account earlier this year. I don't recall what their inactivity timeout was, but it made no sense that it was even triggered given that email is also linked to my active and *paid* M$ Xbox Live account. Supposedly they sent an inactivity warning email first, but of course the secondary email address is one that I use even less often . . .

      Inactivity timeouts for some services make sense, but deleting entire email accounts should not be taken as lightly as some companies think they should. Of course, if Yahoo decided to outright delete my account with them that's been inactive for literally years, that I would understand. A few months though ... not acceptable.

    2. Re:Yahoo's "user oriented" culture by fotoguzzi · · Score: 1

      Well, they emailed you....

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    3. Re:Yahoo's "user oriented" culture by Your.Master · · Score: 1

      Hotmail and Gmail have the same timeout -- 9 months. Seems reasonable to me. Actually, even four months seems reasonable to me. I'd personally prefer infinity in case I got a coma and medical science advanced and I woke up 3 million years later, but I'll take my chances.

      I expect that the standard xbox live privacy policy doesn't let them tell hotmail that they are the "linked" address, even if Microsoft is behind both products (I have not verified this so I could be totally wrong). You wouldn't expect an xbox live account to keep any other email service alive in and of itself (my xbox live account is linked to my gmail account).

      The only email account I expect to last forever without my explicit intervention is my university account, because they rely on that lifeline to beg alumni for donations.

    4. Re:Yahoo's "user oriented" culture by macshit · · Score: 1

      Hotmail and Gmail have the same timeout -- 9 months.

      Dunno about hotmail, but Gmail doesn't seem to have such a timeout -- I just logged into some gmail accounts that I haven't touched in years (since 2007 in one case), and all the email was there...

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    5. Re:Yahoo's "user oriented" culture by macshit · · Score: 0

      Modded "troll"?! How on earth was that a troll?

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    6. Re:Yahoo's "user oriented" culture by Mad+Marlin · · Score: 1

      That's when I quit using ANY online email account. I basically stopped using the computer for almost a year, and all of it was gone. Really pissed me off at the time, still does a little bit. If I can't download it to my hard drive, I don't want it for email. And Yahoo! Mail! sucked! anyway!, so! I! don't! know! why! I! even! used! it! to! begin! with!

    7. Re:Yahoo's "user oriented" culture by Digicrat · · Score: 1

      Funny you say that. I just discovered a few days ago that my old university email account just stopped working.

      It's been set to forward all messages to gmail since freshman year of college, so I only noticed it was dead after I realized I haven't received an email from facebook in months...

  26. Yahoo? by stms · · Score: 0

    I think you mean Yoo-hoo too close to delicious.

  27. XMarks & Browser-Specific Services by Kelson · · Score: 1

    I use XMarks to synchronize across different computers and browsers. They were actually going to shut down next month, but an outpouring of support from users convinced LastPass it would be worth buying the company and setting up a freemium model (basic service is free, you can pay for extras). Free accounts get automatic bookmark sync and online access to the bookmarks from other browsers. Premium accounts add Android & iPhone apps, tab sync, and a couple of other things.

    Most web browsers have some sort of biult-in sync service these days, though of course it only works if you use the same browser on every computer.

    Firefox 4 adds a built-in sync service.
    Chrome and Opera both have built-in sync services.
    Safari has some sort of sync service, but I think it might be part of mobile.me or whatever Apple is calling their online offering these days.
    Not sure about IE, but I'd bet there's a Windows Live bookmarking service by now.

  28. From Daring whatever by No.+24601 · · Score: 1


    Quote From Daring Firewhatnot:
    "It’s almost hard to remember now, but just a few short years ago, Yahoo was the place for hot startups to find a home."

    You mean Yahoo was the company with money to burn buying into hokey startups (exception for Delicious and a *few* others I'm sure).

  29. Take that! This adds more fuel to the fire! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's create the web3.0 where we run the services ourselves and share the information in a P2P manner!

    This is what you get for not relying on yourself (aka services you pay for or are responsible for).

    This further suggests the dangers of relying on a service where the source code (or even a binary) is not available for you to self host!

    Hurrah! A great example of why self sufficiency still matters!

  30. Success by Andy+Smith · · Score: 1

    Nothing says success like jettisoning every non-essential part of your portfolio and abandoning your greatest assets -- staff -- a week before Christmas.

  31. Crap. by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    I have been using del.icio.us for years - I actually have a fair amount of stuff in it.

    Guess I will have to figure out how to reclaim that. I added a couple of sites just this week.

    Too bad, all of the "cool" stuff just gets left for dead by these companies. If yahoo fucks with Flickr, we will have to have words, I use that thing all the time.

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    1. Re:Crap. by maxume · · Score: 1

      There is a decent export built right into the site.

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    2. Re:Crap. by Seumas · · Score: 1

      Same here. I left Delicious for awhile for a competing service. I forget what it was called. I also forget exactly why I left the other service, but after a couple months I decided I just didn't like it and ran right back to Delicious and have remained there ever since. Only Yahoo! service I find useful. I'd even pay for it. I bet a lot of people would kick out $5/yr for an account.

    3. Re:Crap. by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      There is a decent export built right into the site.

      Yes, I know.

      But ... can anything else read it? Or do I get a nice hunk of XML I'm free to do with as I please?

      I don't want to fire up an XML parser and XSLT just to be able to work with it. Although, I've been looking for something to play with ...

      I've got over 500 bookmarks and over 300 tags. I sure as hell don't want to lose this stuff.

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    4. Re:Crap. by maxume · · Score: 1

      I think several sites can import from Delicious (but maybe not using the xml).

      http://pinboard.in/ doesn't seem to be getting very many mentions here and will import from Delicious.

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  32. He who laughs last... by WWWWolf · · Score: 2

    I didn't want to use del.icio.us, because by the time I started using social bookmarking, it was already owned by Yahoo!, and I specifically wanted something that might have been independent.

    So I started using ma.gnolia. Awesome, fast service with nice little features and general Web 2.0-friendliness all around. They just failed to make working backups. Boom.

    So I started using Twine. Leet folksonomic RDF-what-the-fuckery. Slowish. Yawn. Never quite figured out if it was possible to import bookmarks there. And by the time I started sort of getting interested of what other features the service supported, the thing got bought out. So much for that thing.

    So I started using Simpy. An old service. No frills, but also rather fast, and rather well-functional. Did exactly what I wanted it to do. Even let me download a backup of the bookmarks if or when I wanted to. I said "yeah, whatever, I'll take a look at it later on" and wandered off. Surely this service wouldn't get off the net while I was away for a while? Wrong! They got eaten by fucking Reuters and shut down. Why? Why? Millions of victims demand answers, Reuters.

    At this point, a few little doubts had started to come to my mind about the whole social bookmarking idea. People said "Ha ha! That's what you'll get for not doing the logical thing and using Delicious! We're old, we're established, we're a known brand. Yahoo! can't possibly kill us."

    *sigh* *rueful headshake*

    Folks, if you want a good example of my favourite Web 2.0 services, look at GitHub, because GitHub demands that you make local backups of your stuff, and you can migrate your stuff on another Git host in 5 seconds flat for whatever damn reason you happen to have in your head. Why can't we do the same thing to other Web 2.0 sites?

    1. Re:He who laughs last... by jayrtfm · · Score: 1

      That why I like linkagogo.com because every week i get my bookmarks automatically emailed to me

    2. Re:He who laughs last... by Dalroth · · Score: 1

      Do what I do. Run your own person wiki.

  33. Got an actual source? by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

    Do we have any actual sources other than a random blogger, a random tweet from a random twit, and a friend of a friend?

    1. Re:Got an actual source? by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 4, Informative

      I overheard this guy over at the Starbucks in Sunnyvale about a half a mile from Yahoo, and he said some chick told another guy in line that her friend got really drunk the night before and the guy she ended up with in a bathroom stall (she didn't know his name) in The City said he knew a girl who used to work at Yahoo that was still seeing a guy from AMD who was buying a sandwich at one of those places near Lawrence and Arques about a month ago and he thought he heard some Indian guys at a table talking about how some chick was totally fucked up at an office party and was telling everyone how she heard some older guys in suits in a parking lot bragging about how they got blown by some girl who claimed she worked at Yahoo and said that she heard they were thinking about laying a few people off.

      That's almost first hand info, Dude.

    2. Re:Got an actual source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are going to tell your mom's life story, please use punctuation.

    3. Re:Got an actual source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is John Gruber... not the most honorable or knowledgeable IMHO. If he is wrong (he often is, or so vague about things it is technobabble) most of his readers will never hear about it. Having no comments and not voluntarily pointing these errors out helps that. He is though a web designer and delicious was popular on the Mac. Would not be surprised if he had friends there who would give a tip. By submitting his article or having his friend submit it he got his hits. Who cares about accuracy?

    4. Re:Got an actual source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The year's 2010, man. A blog post about a twitter post linking to an image that has since been deleted for TOS violation is more attention to authenticity than you get in most newspapers.

  34. Wrong tense by rsborg · · Score: 1

    Digg is collapsing.

    I think when the redesign came out, it was clear Digg was already dead.

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    1. Re:Wrong tense by fotoguzzi · · Score: 1

      Dugg is collapsing.

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  35. Please don't worry by hannson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your bookmarks and data will be "safe" in the cloud.

    1. Re:Please don't worry by maxume · · Score: 1

      To be fair, Delicious has pretty much always had good data export. I think the only thing they don't really export is the date when you deleted a bookmark.

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    2. Re:Please don't worry by Schnapple · · Score: 1

      You're missing the point. You're saying that you should keep local backups of things you do in the cloud.

      That's wrong. You should, at best, be keeping backups in the cloud of things you do locally.

      The difference between the two is that the cloud comes second, so if it goes away you don't really lose anything.

    3. Re:Please don't worry by maxume · · Score: 1

      "You're missing the point." is a really obnoxious way of stating that we disagree.

      I'm comfortable using a cloud service if I can get the substance of the data involved out of the cloud service. You apparently aren't, but it is likely that I will get quite a bit more utility out of any cloud services (while taking on much more risk of getting 'burned' in your view).

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    4. Re:Please don't worry by Schnapple · · Score: 1

      You're right, that is obnoxious. I apologize.

      I guess I get riled up about "cloud" stuff since it's basically a pain-in-the-ass marketing buzzword that people think is significantly different from how we've been doing things. As opposed to what it is - a "tag" attached to a point in time where these things evolved.

      That and those damn "to the cloud!" commercials...

  36. Cloud-based services -- put your trust in the air! by petsounds · · Score: 4, Informative

    If this is not a tailor-made argument for not trusting cloud-based services, I don't know what is. I don't care how "do no evil" your corporation-of-choice is; you're in their playground. They make the rules and break the rules at their whim (or the government's whim).

    Export your bookmarks while you still can: curl --user petsounds:sebad0h -o delicious_bookmarks.xml -O 'https://api.del.icio.us/v1/posts/all'

  37. Re:the whole team was let go just yesterday by macraig · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can you think of a better time to do it? That's some bonus checks that didn't get inked. The savings probably went straight to the CEO's belly.

  38. misread the headline by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 1

    Yahoo to close! Delicious.

  39. Re:Cloud-based services -- put your trust in the a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Export your bookmarks while you still can: curl --user petsounds:sebad0h -o delicious_bookmarks.xml -O 'https://api.del.icio.us/v1/posts/all'

    Sir, I pasted your command on my terminal and it works but all the bookmarks looks weird! I had 500 bookmarks but it only shown 21 here, and I don't remember bookmarking any forum called NeoGAF. NOOOO is my bookmarks all lost?? How do I do now?? Can someone help me plzzz!!!

    Oh wait, sorry is that YOUR bookmarks, Sir?

  40. Re:Cloud-based services -- put your trust in the a by corbettw · · Score: 1

    You don't even have to ascribe evil intent here. All companies eventually die (except for banks that are "too big to fail", that is). Why trust your computing resources to an entity that might last as long as you?

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  41. Re:Cloud-based services -- put your trust in the a by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 1

    <result code="access denied"/>

    <!--
    fe07.api.del.ac4.yahoo.net uncompressed/chunked Fri Dec 17 01:28:29 UTC 2010
    -->


    Aawww....

  42. Re:Cloud-based services -- put your trust in the a by petsounds · · Score: 2

    Yup, paste fail. Sadly slashdot still doesn't allow post-submission editing.

  43. Why not look it up? by LittleBigScript · · Score: 1

    Just look it up the delicious tag and you get 269086 Bookmarks!

  44. Source Code for Alternative by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

    As someone who pays for webhosting, I'm curious if there have been any decent open source del.icio.us variants created. I've used the site for years, but I could just as easily bookmark this stuff myself if I could just get some code running on my own site.

    I guess I could code one if I need to. The social networking/web2.0 aspect of seeing what "the community" is bookmarking wasn't much of a draw for me so much as the multi-tag, shared-between-all-my-computers aspects were.

    1. Re:Source Code for Alternative by saratchandra · · Score: 1

      http://sitebar.org/ is there but it doesn't have support for tags last time I checked. I'm in the same boat as you are, guess we just need to develop those capabilities now.

    2. Re:Source Code for Alternative by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      I am actually doing it right now in PHP. Viva unemployment!

  45. Re:Cloud-based services -- put your trust in the a by butlerm · · Score: 1

    It makes a bit of a difference whether you actually pay for a cloud based service or not. If something is free, you can't really complain when it goes away. Gift horse, mouth, etc.

  46. Exactly when Yahoo management became yahoos by ron_ivi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    IMHO that's when they stuck some hollywood exec (Semel) in who knew nothing about the internet in 2001.

    ISTM he was so enamored by AOL buying Time Warner he changed Yahoo from being the epitome fo the internet into a AOL-wanabe-clone.

    This is the guy who turned down the chance to buy Google for one billion dollars; and then again for 3 billion; and the same guy who shared Yahoo confidential info with China's government.

    Yahoo's Geocities could have been Facebook+MySpace.
    Yahoo Mail could have been gmail.
    Yahoo's Delicious could have been stumbleupon+twitter+digg.
    Yahoo's Overture could have been Google Adsense+Adwords
    Yahoo's Altavista could have been google search.

    But instead Yahoo's turning into little more than a reseller of Bing search results.

    1. Re:Exactly when Yahoo management became yahoos by DerekLyons · · Score: 0

      Yahoo's Geocities could have been Facebook+MySpace.

      Well, no. Geocities was webhosting, not social networks. Apples and oranges.
       

      Yahoo Mail could have been gmail.

      Why in the heck would Yahoo want to be the distant third mail host rather than a strong second?
       

      Yahoo's Delicious could have been stumbleupon+twitter+digg.
      Yahoo's Overture could have been Google Adsense+Adwords
      Yahoo's Altavista could have been google search.

      Maybe, maybe, maybe. Anyone could have been anything.
       

      But instead Yahoo's turning into little more than a reseller of Bing search results.

      Yeah. And the largest and busiest sports site on the net, and the largest fantasy sports site on the net, and the largest and busiest photo repository on the net, and one of the biggest online games site on the net... etc... etc... The smoke you're blowing about what Yahoo 'might have been' has pretty much blinded you to what Yahoo actually is.
       
      Yahoo may not be l33t and have teh sexy like Google - but you're badly mistaken if you think it's some kind of has been.

    2. Re:Exactly when Yahoo management became yahoos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, no. Geocities was webhosting, not social networks. Apples and oranges.

      What do you call the process of uploading users' photos and text to social networks, if not "web hosting"?

    3. Re:Exactly when Yahoo management became yahoos by Sudline · · Score: 1

      They had also something similar to Instant they never used in production.

    4. Re:Exactly when Yahoo management became yahoos by crossmr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      actually Geocities was originally a network. A long time ago all the sites were set up in neighbourhoods. With numbers similar to house numbers. I was actually a community leader in the late 90s and we'd help with taking care of various neighbourhoods. Later they got rid of the hierarchy and made it all flat.

    5. Re:Exactly when Yahoo management became yahoos by lintux · · Score: 1

      > Yahoo Mail could have been gmail.
      > Yahoo's Overture could have been Google Adsense+Adwords
      > Yahoo's Altavista could have been google search.

      And you think those things would've been what they are now if Google was run by a CEO like that? :-)

    6. Re:Exactly when Yahoo management became yahoos by obscuro · · Score: 1

      ron_ivi you NAILED IT. When they hired Terry Semel the first thing that happened was they fattened up the home page with a bunch of digital Vegas. This bullshit that search and email are entertainment is a disease.

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    7. Re:Exactly when Yahoo management became yahoos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but he had the inverse Midas touch. Google would suck in that parallel universe, we wouldn't have Android, and no telling how successful the cult of Steve would be (you guess which Steve...).

    8. Re:Exactly when Yahoo management became yahoos by funfail · · Score: 1

      Also,
      Google Answers could have been Yahoo Answers.
      Google Directory could have been Yahoo Directory.
      Google Wave could have been... Well... What was it anyway?

    9. Re:Exactly when Yahoo management became yahoos by markhb · · Score: 1

      Altavista WAS the definition of what Google would become: clean interface, blazingly fast (relative to Yahoo!, Excite and Hotbot), good results. That was when they were a project at DEC. Then the portal craze hit and the clean interface vanished, DEC sold them off (I think CMGi owned them towards the end) and then Google came along and blew everyone's doors off. By the time Altavista came up with Raging.com the game was over.

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  47. suicide.lo by NicknamesAreStupid · · Score: 1

    They all joined a new nation of the Laid Off.

  48. Re:Cloud-based services -- put your trust in the a by petsounds · · Score: 2

    The idea that any cloud-based service is free is a bit of a misnomer I think. Any time you post data to one, you trade the use of the service for insight and/or facts about your life.

  49. Selling an option here? by Twinbee · · Score: 1

    Can't they just sell the site to another company?

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    1. Re:Selling an option here? by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      And what if that company started making profit from it?!
      How would the CEO who sold it look in such a light?

      Cutting dry branches vs losing a valuable asset?

      If it's not profitable to Yahoo, it cannot, under any circumstances be allowed to be profitable to anyone else!

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    2. Re:Selling an option here? by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      Well that's just evil imo. Obviously a smaller, lighter, more enthusiastic company could do better, especially if they're lucky.

      By tossing it away instead of selling, they look worse off to the public, at least to my eyes. There are plenty of users who use that site, and I may not be one of them, but sitting on something and burying is what happens often in the patent world, and it's a sorry state of affairs.

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    3. Re:Selling an option here? by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      Oh it turns out that they're looking to sell it anyway:

      http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/17/yahoo-trying-to-sell-del-icio-us-not-to-shut-it-down/

      As usual Slashdot gets it just a bit wrong.

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  50. sorry to break the news, but by Flector · · Score: 2

    In the future, the usual web host will be anonymous, have sql/php, be untrackeable.

  51. Stallman was right: Careless computing by jabberw0k · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Curious this comes just a couple days after RMS warned us about the dangers of entrusting others with our personal or corporate data: http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/14/stallman-cloud-computing-careless-computing/

  52. I won't be the first or last to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Carol Bartz is a bitch. She was insufferable at Autodesk, where she mastered the art of abusing her customers, and now she's moved on to Yahoo to whip the employees. Trouble is, she's completely unconcerned about the standards of normal human behaviour, because she lives in the fucked up world of CEO's and other self-important asshats where she's surely receiving high praise.

    1. Re:I won't be the first or last to say... by techsoldaten · · Score: 1

      I have never agreed with an anonymous coward about anything before. My lawyers advise me not to do in an explicit manner at this time.

      But I wish I could share some thoughts there. The thoughts I would share...

  53. But does it matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After all, the entire team with low morale will be miserable at home over christmas. The ones who still have a job in the rest of the company better pretend to be real happy or *makes sliding motion across neck*.

  54. Well by jav1231 · · Score: 1

    I don't use Delicious but I got the feeling it was way more hip than Yahoo! itself. Maybe there will be a memo about Yahoo! getting rid of Yahoo! Wait...they are using Bing for search now, right?

  55. Wouldn't this be more tragic by AnnaZed · · Score: 1

    if anyone actually used Delicious? I have never heard of anyone utilizing it, ever.

    1. Re:Wouldn't this be more tragic by Flector · · Score: 1

      nobody has used delicious

  56. Re:the whole team was let go just yesterday by royallthefourth · · Score: 1

    Bwahahaha you think anyone who doesn't have an MBA gets a bonus??

  57. Re:Cloud-based services -- put your trust in the a by maxume · · Score: 1

    Is that your Yahoo! password?

    I guess it does make the argument that you shouldn't trust cloud services, but they are offering you an easy way to get your data, which sort of changes things around a bit.

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  58. Re:the whole team was let go just yesterday by macraig · · Score: 1

    And MBA = Master of Bullshit Administration?

  59. Self-Deletion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Firstly:

    Overture is shut down (OMG, my blog money is finished!)

    Then geocities is shutdown (my childhood! Web 1.0)

    Now this?

    This is too far!

  60. Re:Cloud-based services -- put your trust in the a by petsounds · · Score: 1

    Nope. Fortunately it was one of my lowest-tier passwords I used on sites where I was less concerned about hackery.

    I agree that they get some bonus points for an export option (although it is not easily discoverable). But they easily could have not. They easily could have turned off the service tomorrow with a "thank you" e-mail. This is why I'm excited about the kind of paradigm that Diaspora suggests; a kind of distributed network of services where every user handles their own data.

  61. A few years from now by $0.02 · · Score: 1

    Yahoo to close yahoo.com

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  62. Compare this to what Google does by SashaMan · · Score: 1

    I don't understand why they just don't kill new development and stop adding new users, but essentially leave the site as it is for existing users.

    I'm a big fan of Google Notebook - I use as a task manager, and I like it better than the task functionality they've built into calendar and gmail (I've built my whole "Getting Things Done" system around it). Even though Google EOLed that product like over a year ago, they still keep it live and working for existing users. I could move if I had to, but I really appreciate Google just leaving it as it is.

  63. Why didn't they integrate it with Y! Bookmarks? by kriston · · Score: 1

    Honestly, why didn't they integrate it with Y! Bookmarks?
    I really liked Yahoo Bookmarks until they redesigned it in the mid-2000s. Before the redesign, Y! Bookmarks was really useful and it really made the Yahoo Toolbar useful. Then they messed it up and it wasn't useful anymore. And then they acquired Del.icio.us for no apparent reason and did some kind of half-assed, not-really-caring, so-called "integration" with Y! Bookmarks that amounted to nothing.

    I'm a big fan of centralized bookmarks sites, like the defunct Blink! service, but Yahoo really aborted this great product with no apparent market focus. Sigh.

    Double-sigh!!

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    Kriston

  64. Social bookmarking? by SixDimensionalArray · · Score: 1

    What's with all the hosted bookmarks/social bookmarking sites looking like they are going to close down all of the sudden? XMarks nearly did, but they sold out to somebody else. Maybe that company (lastpass?) can buy delicious too and maintain both products.

  65. xmarks missed the goal by Flector · · Score: 1

    It should be "Here's my public site, with all my nominally public links."

  66. Re:Net Neutrality by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 2

    Not sure quite where you're headed with that note.

    This seemed to me to be more about "corporate boredom" aka ROI calculations. Put another way, it's like the blockbuster mentality of movies.

    I liked the Long Tail mood of the net for a long time. Get an idea, and sure enough, a 40 person forum already existed for it.

    Now these megacorps are closing down iconic net stuff, *instead of giving someone else a chance to spin it off*.

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  67. Yahoo Video Also Closing by Roblimo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Got this notice in my Yahoo email inbox on Dec. 15:

    Dear Yahoo! Video user,

    After careful consideration, we will be removing all general user-generated content upload capability and user-uploaded video from Yahoo! Video. As a result, your videos, user profiles, ratings, favorites, and playlists will no longer be available after March 14, 2011. User video content from Yahoo! Video that remains embedded on third party sites will no longer be playable after March 14, 2011.

    Available on your profile page is a software utility that will allow you to download the videos you have uploaded to Yahoo! Video to your computer through March 14, 2011. You can find your profile by clicking on the 'My Video' tab or going to http://video.yahoo.com/mypage.

    Once you download your videos, you may choose to upload them to another site such as Flickr, which now allows video uploads. You can find out more here: http://www.flickr.com/explore/video.

    Thanks for your understanding and thanks for being a part of Yahoo! Video.

    If you have any questions about this change, please visit our FAQ section, or contact Customer Care.

    The Yahoo! Video Team

    1. Re:Yahoo Video Also Closing by xtracto · · Score: 1

      Wow, seems Yahoo is silently but steadily imploding...

      BTW, anyone who needs some alternatives to del.icio.us can start here (I needed to look, because I liked del.icio.us simplicity and thus have all my bookmarks there!).

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    2. Re:Yahoo Video Also Closing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They had a video site?

  68. Yahoo has TWO things that don't suck... by MoxFulder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... Delicious and Flickr. They just killed Delicious, and I'm hoping Flickr isn't so far behind.

    I used to use Yahoo Mail, which was a great webmail service for its time... in 2000. I also used Yahoo Auctions until that folded. Before Google, I relied on the human-assisted Yahoo Directory for my web searches. I liked Yahoo Games, when they didn't have much besides pool and scrabble and word games.

    But all of Yahoo's services have turned into ad-laden, bloated interfaces with out-of-date technology. It seems that the company has been unable/unwilling to innovate and has just been milking their previously respected brand for ad revenue. Flickr and Delicious were the only two services that seemed to resist this trend :-/.

    I guess it's time to export my Delicious bookmarks and find an alternative host for them :(. SimPy and Del.irio.us used to be a couple of pretty nice open-source clones, but seem to have disappeared. Anybody else have a recommendation for a site with similar functionality, clean interface, and good browser addon support?

    1. Re:Yahoo has TWO things that don't suck... by Dr+Herbert+West · · Score: 1

      I'd hate to see FLICKR go. Sometimes I find it useful to display a bunch of random photos that are all of fire... or fonts... or tagged locations... and their API is really easy to work with. The quality of photos is quite good as well.

      Anyone know how google images' API is to work with?

    2. Re:Yahoo has TWO things that don't suck... by ColMstrd · · Score: 1

      Diigo seems to work quite handily, but I still prefer Delicious and will mourn its passing. It's easy to export your Delicious bookmarks to an html file and import that into Diigo.

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    3. Re:Yahoo has TWO things that don't suck... by Indefinite,+Ephemera · · Score: 1

      If you have server space, there's SemanticScuttle. Works nicely for me--once I fixed it so it (a) didn't expect to be importing from a file with uppercase HTML markup, and (b) didn't insist on converting all my tags to lowercase. Unfortunately, it can't import the del.icio.us privacy settings, so your imported bookmarks will end up globally public or globally private.

    4. Re:Yahoo has TWO things that don't suck... by Enigma23 · · Score: 1

      Anybody else have a recommendation for a site with similar functionality, clean interface, and good browser addon support?

      I'll bite. I use Opera as my Browsing weapon of choice. You can import bookmark files (Opera, IE, Firefox, Konqueror) into it easily. Nerdlist has published instructions on how to export to an html file, which you can then import into your browser, but I'm not sure how well the tags & notes would import along with the bookmarks.

      Opera has nicknames where tags could go and description fields you can add notes to on Bookmarks, but whether you can port them over automatically or have to do it by hand I don't know. Maybe a canny coder will make an Opera Widget or Extension to help user port their bookmarks over. If you make use of Opera Link you can synch your bookmarks (and more) to your online Link account and choose to make your bookmarks public or private, as you so desire.

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    5. Re:Yahoo has TWO things that don't suck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ** Yahoo's services have turned into ad-laden

      Their 'human-assisted' directory was basically an ad, anyway. Directory items weren't there based on relevance, they were there based on payment, at least in several cases I had personal experience with.

    6. Re:Yahoo has TWO things that don't suck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd recommend http://pinboard.in/ for a replacement. It's like del.icio.us back when it was just a place to have tagged, web-accessible bookmarks. It does have a mild one-time fee, but I'd say it's well worth it. (Standard "just a satisfied customer" disclaimer here.)

  69. Delicious nuked? Hmmm... Flickr? by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    I'm thinking it's time to update my back up of my Flickr pictures. I'm behind 20 or 30, and I'd hate to get a Christmas "gift" of this nature from Yahoo...

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  70. Yahasbeen. by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yahoo is a has-been. It was at its most useful when it was a maintained tree of useful sites, essentially spam free. Then they got slow about updating it. THEN they decided you should pay or they'd drag their heels and probably not even "get to" your submission. Then (surprise) no one wanted to play with them anymore, and they shut the whole thing down. That's the history of Yahoo's actual tech. Today, they are useful to me only because they bought Flickr. I appreciate the service, but I don't think of it as "Yahoo's tech."

    Car analogy:

    It's like the difference between a fellow who buys a car, and one who has built one of equal quality. They both end up with cars, so if you're simply looking for a ride, they're equal. But the guy who built his car deserves a lot more respect than the guy who bought one.

    Yahoo built a car, fouled the paint job, ran it into a few immovable objects, junked it, and bought another. I respect the original build, and sincerely regret that they screwed it up. That they bought another, I don't find particularly notable. I do like to ride in it, though.

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  71. Google's not all that by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not to put too fine a point on it, but Google's searches really turn up a lot of trash for me most of the time. Google ranks pages by how much they're referenced from one another, and what that does is uses the average level of attention and interest of the crowd - but the crowd these days is the usual Gaussian, not at all the original crowd of technical people, and consequently -- Google's search results reflect that.

    One thing Yahoo *really* did better was class types of sites and put them together into a sensible tree; if I was looking for a particular type of software, finding a really good selection of it - if one existed - was easy. On Google, it's refine, refine, refine because the search results are *loaded* with spam, link-farms, and just generally junk.

    I run a few websites, some of which are quite popular, and a trend right now is people buying one line text ads - paying fairly dearly for them, too - so that Google will see that one of my popular sites references some other site, and so ups their search ranking. The link of course is nothing but financially driven, and really has no reflection at all on the value of the linked site... but that's how Google rolls. The end result is the sites with the money climb in the rankings.

    On the original Yahoo index, if you offered, say, a C compiler, you were in the list with the other people who offered a C compiler. Alphabetically. Wasn't about who bought what. That was *great*. Then Yahoo got slow. Not so great. THEN Yahoo decided you had to pay to be listed. And that was the end of Yahoo's useful tech, just that quickly. Poof!

    But Google hasn't replaced that original Yahoo functionality with something better. Google is fast, easy and mediocre. Which is, I suppose, where things generally tend to end up anyway. But I still miss the original Yahoo index, before they utterly screwed it up with pay-for-your-listing-or-wait-forever.

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    1. Re:Google's not all that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need dmoz.org or www.google.com/dirhp. And a life, hopefully one without so much anger.

  72. But... by curious.corn · · Score: 1

    ... they will hold on to the TM corpse just in case, won't they!

    In the meantime I'm left without a bookmarking service... f#$%wits...

    I'm starting to get the feeling that unless you spill some 20 $/m for a host like in the old days, all this TB,TW,GM,yadda yadda is just low cost MTV entertainment, designed to hold you down while marketers shake the pennies out of the crowd's pockets.

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  73. Alternative by olivierva · · Score: 1

    Alternative: http://www.diigo.com/ you can import your delicious bookmarks, iphone/android apps etc

  74. NO! by Rysc · · Score: 1

    I absolutely rely on delicious to remember my bookmarks for me. I won't be able to function if this goes away. There are simply no alternatives that come anywhere close to competing.

    I always thought that Delicious should have been a Google acquisition, instead of Yahoo. It fits much better into the Google style. Perhaps they'll be able to pick it up form Yahoo for a song?

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    1. Re:NO! by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 1

      Google already has their own social bookmarking site

    2. Re:NO! by Rysc · · Score: 1

      If you were a delicious user you would know that Google's is no replacement. They could do with a better clone at least.

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    3. Re:NO! by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 1

      I am a delicious user. I am not, however, a google bookmarks user, so I don't know that it isn't a decent replacement. I don't know what is, though.

      I'm just saying that google wouldn't waste their money on something they already have. If they want the functionality of delicious, they can just modify their own system to mimic the capabilities of delicious and let you import a delicious export file. (you can already import a file from delicious, but you have to have firefox format it first.)

    4. Re:NO! by Rysc · · Score: 1

      Buying delicious and rebranding it would be the cheapest way to get equivalent functionality. Their own system is junk; I tried to live with it for a whole and just couldn't cope.

      AFAIK nothing else compares to delicious, but I have not looked in a while so maybe by now...

      I certainly hope I can find something when me and my exported Netscape bookmark file go trolling for a new home.

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  75. Just like yahoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much longer will this second rate search engine last if they close down their only decent apps? I hope they're going to help migrate user data to another system. I have hundreds if useful bookmarks on there.

  76. Re:the whole team was let go just yesterday by LizardKing · · Score: 1

    Bwahahaha you think anyone who doesn't have an MBA gets a bonus??

    At least when I worked there, the bonus was linked to your share options - and everyone got those.

  77. Re:the whole team was let go just yesterday by ClippyHater · · Score: 1

    Yes. Yes, they do. In fact all engineering at my company partakes in the bonus pie, provided the company's doing well enough to trigger the bonuses.

  78. Possible Replacement? by bgarcia · · Score: 1
    Google Bookmarks

    It looks like it should be easy to export your bookmarks from del.icio.us and import the file into Google Bookmarks.

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  79. Yahoo is killing Alta-Vista as well by tekrat · · Score: 1

    Looks like they are shutting down *anything* that isn't "yahoo" branded.
    In other words, they are out of Money. Yahoo will be aquired or dead within a year.

    Here comes the great purging of the internet. It's like car companies all over again. In 10 years, there will only be the big-three websites left on the internet.

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  80. Shit! Shit! Shit! Shit! Shit! by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 1

    I love del.icio.us. I keep all my stuff there. Especially the webcomics I read. I keyword them by the day of the week they are updated so I can open them all at once.

    Ok, fine. What's the best alternative.

  81. Re:the whole team was let go just yesterday by KlomDark · · Score: 1

    I've got a GED in bonuses, and doing just fine. Thank you!

  82. Fire them guys by dalemay · · Score: 1

    When will AT&T come to their senses, and fire Yahoo?

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  83. Browsing the Delicious backup file by l0b0 · · Score: 1

    If you've made a backup of all your files, you can browse/filter them with filterous (disclaimer: I made it). It's a shell tool, but it's a lot faster than delicious.com ever was, and can do some searches that Delicious never could. With >13,000 bookmarks, Delicious+filterous have been my most useful knowledge management tools in the last five years.

    Now how to get as much as possible of the Flickr metadata out?

  84. what happens with LINKS OF THE DAY auto-posts?!? by ClioCJS · · Score: 1
    This is a pretty popular thing, a daily blogpost on wordpress [and other] blogs that imports the "links of the day" from the user's delicious.

    I use it myself every day.

    So now all of us lazy bloggers who simply tag stories on delicious and let delicious generate a blogpost for us -- we're all ultimately screwed. It's much harder to compose a blogpost all at once every 24 hours manually than it is to simply micro-blog your newsstory comments into delicious and have it poop out a meta-post to your blog every 24 hours.

    Some of us depended on this service. Thousands, judging by the google results. This closure will reduce the content being posted in Wordpress!

    Does anyone know what's going to happen?

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  85. Re:the whole team was let go just yesterday by SethJohnson · · Score: 1

    Management also could have terminated them on January 1st. This would have allowed them to avoid compensating them for any vacation time they hadn't used. "Oh, that expired on Dec. 31. Too bad." I've seen that happen.

    Seth

  86. Re:the whole team was let go just yesterday by balbus000 · · Score: 1

    Presumably though, there was a severance package, which would be quite a bit heftier than a bonus check. Although they are now stuck with the burden of finding another job, they get to spend the holidays with their families.

    At least that's the company's view of it right?

  87. Obligatory by FurtiveGlancer · · Score: 1

    Yahoo is killing Del.icio.us?

    -insert "that leaves a bad taste in my mouth" joke here-

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  88. Re:Cloud-based services -- put your trust in the a by Trufagus · · Score: 1

    No, I think this is a tailor made argument for using cloud services with excellent data export abilities. Since you mention 'do no evil' I assume you are referring to Google, so it is worth noting that most Google services do satisfy this criteria:
    http://www.dataliberation.org/

    In the end, whatever type of software or service you are using, it comes down to lock-in. If the company providing the software or services doesn't provide a really good export facility then they effectively own your data.

  89. WHAT by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    No I mean WTF was Delicious?

    Yes that was a rhetorical question.

  90. How to Import Bookmarks to Google by Sloth503 · · Score: 1

    I just successfully exported all 3,000 delicious bookmarks to my computer, then imported them into Firefox, and then imported them to Google Bookmarks through the Google Toolbar using these instructions:
    http://techblawg.ca/2010/12/17/exporting-bookmarks-with-tags-from-delicious/

    Worked great except that Google Bookmarks uses "Labels" instead of "Tags' so all my pre-existing Google Bookmarks have labels and all my imported bookmarks have the label "Tag:*" and all reside within the "Imported from Delicious" label...

    Oh, and I lost all of the notes associated with my delicious bookmarks, none of those made the import although they did successfully make it out in the export... Lame.

  91. long live del.icio.us by noahm · · Score: 1

    It looks like there may be room for just a little hope: What's next for delicious? from the delicious blog.

  92. Yahoo! says this is not true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    from: http://blog.delicious.com/blog/2010/12/whats-next-for-delicious.html

    Many of you have read the news stories about Delicious that began appearing yesterday. We’re genuinely sorry to have these stories appear with so little context for our loyal users. While we can’t answer each of your questions individually, we wanted to address what we can at this stage and we promise to keep you posted as future plans get finalized.

    Is Delicious being shut down? And should I be worried about my data?

    - No, we are not shutting down Delicious. While we have determined that there is not a strategic fit at Yahoo!, we believe there is a ideal home for Delicious outside of the company where it can be resourced to the level where it can be competitive.

    What is Yahoo! going to do with Delicious?

    - We’re actively thinking about the future of Delicious and we believe there is a home outside the company that would make more sense for the service and our users. We’re in the process of exploring a variety of options and talking to companies right now. And we’ll share our plans with you as soon as we can.

    What if I want to get my bookmarks out of Delicious right away?

    - As noted above, there’s no reason to panic. We are maintaining Delicious and encourage you to keep using it. That said, we have export options if you so choose. Additionally, many services provide the ability to import Delicious links and tags.

    We can only imagine how upsetting the news coverage over the past 24 hours has been to many of you. Speaking for our team, we were very disappointed by the way that this appeared in the press. We’ll let you know more as things develop.

  93. Backrubs by alexo · · Score: 1

    If the owners are keeping a particular CEO on at such expense, it's usually because they feel that the value that person brings to the company is greater than the cost. If they didn't, they would (usually) replace the CEO. And CEO's do often get replaced when they don't perform well. In other words, the shareholders feel that if they replaced Bartz, they would lose much more than 40 million dollars a year.

    Unfortunately, this is not the way it works. The board of directors is usually comprised of CEOs (and other top executives) of other companies, who vote the huge salaries under an "understanding" (call it a "gentlemen's agreement") that the beneficiaries -- sitting to their boards of directors -- will return the favour.

    If you disagree with me, then why don't you (or I) apply for the job? Earn the big bucks? Approach the board and tell them you'll do the same job, cheaper?

    If I had the right friends (and the wrong morals) I probably would. The problem is, regardless of my skills at running a company, I can't rub their backs (read: pad their wallets) the same way Bartz can.
    Were I to sit on the boards of Intel, Cisco, and NetAapp, perhaps my situation would be different.

    Fact is almost nobody has the skill and capability for such a job.

    s/Fact/Opinion/
    s/skill and capability/connections and amorality/

    Shareholders are people like you or I

    Voting rights are proportional to the number of common stock shares one holds. I don't know about you, but <*a quick look at my portfolio*> the major Yahoo stakeholders are nothing like me.

  94. Why does anyone use Yahoo Mail? by gottabeme · · Score: 1

    "I haven't figured how to back up Yahoo emails because POP3 isn't free." ...switch to Gmail?

    Seriously, I cringe when I walk into a computer lab and see people using Yahoo mail. Why would anyone want to use it instead of Gmail? It should be self-evident--I shouldn't have to post screenshots.

    Google doesn't hold your email hostage, either.

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    1. Re:Why does anyone use Yahoo Mail? by vlueboy · · Score: 1

      I did a couple searches thanks to your post and appreciate being closer to my answer.

      I have one gmail account but importing twelve years of private Yahoo e-mail into gmail, which has existed a mere five, makes me cringe. Can't allow them to cash in with its advertising partners on a huge data mine for one single user. Yahoo mail never had privacy problems, and you cringe because they're the least flashy one. Good for me. Hotmail and gmail accounts get hacked all the time.

      I'll settle for a pst-type Yahoo archive to be saved away from the web and potential advertisers down the road.

    2. Re:Why does anyone use Yahoo Mail? by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      Hm. I don't quite understand your reasoning.

      If you want to keep your emails "out of the cloud," then put your email on any service that does POP3 and download it into Thunderbird, KMail, mutt, etc. Make sure you make regular backups, and forget about accessing your email from other computers without complex and fragile replication schemes.

      If you want webmail, you can import to Gmail with IMAP or other utilities. The UI is a million times better, and you don't have to filter unbelievable animated ads, and tolerate text ads that you can't filter.

      If you truly trust Yahoo to protect your privacy and keep your account secure more than you trust Google, well, I think you're...confused. No company is altruistic, but Google is far closer to it than Yahoo ever has been or ever will be. Google is far more user-focused than Yahoo. Google is also more competent than Yahoo on a technical level. Yahoo's starting to fall apart, while Google keeps flourishing.

      Oh, and by the way...Yahoo will delete your account and all your email if something happens and you don't log in for 6 months.

      Hey, it's your call....

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      "Those who consume the bulk of goods are those who make them. We must never forget this secret of our prosperity."
    3. Re:Why does anyone use Yahoo Mail? by vlueboy · · Score: 1

      Hmm, their inactivity deletion policy is new to me. Thanks again. I had an old account I hadn't used for 6 months to a year without any loss or warning, IIRC --this probably was too long ago to count, since you now know I'm an old user. Apparently 4 months is good enough that I profiled their policy as "unlimited."

      My alt accounts are at hotmail (1 month limit) and Google. I have the impression the average slashdot user chooses google out of shiny geek necessity more than trust, and I hope you have noticed that since the economic downturn more posts are coming forward passing new judgement on Google's supposed "do no evil" motto. I don't care so much for technical competence as for non-technical bad decisions. The moves from people at the top made me choose to drop Google Buzz almost the same day, to ignore Google Latitude, to restrict my sharing on all other sites, because of how well Google indexes useless real life details that I'd rather not lower my professional signal-to-noise, and other moves.

      If Google does become the next Apple, IBM or even MS, then my remaining ownership of personal and private data will be gone, by the slow-warming-boils-unsuspecting-pan-frogs proverb. In choosing security over convenience, you respectfully disagree with me, and I choose what I think is safer. My OP concern is that Yahoo will disappear altogether, and its services that I trust today will go away when the fortress crumbles.

      Back to my backup, Yahoo's policy seems to rule out Thunderbird and normal POP3 clients --it refuses connections done outside of their subscription paywall. Google and others have agreements getting around it, or just data scrape my Y! data into their inbox. I won't have a problem using TB to access my giant frozen archive if I end up foregoing the Google fix. It does look attractively accessible, though.

      * I must advertise my location to just see a friend's willing disclosure of his --the all or nothing is the model used by dating or social media sites that want to lure you into joining / sharing / paying.

    4. Re:Why does anyone use Yahoo Mail? by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      An interesting post; thanks.

      I think in the end the best policy may be to use a reliable webmail service, such as Gmail, that is regularly backed-up to local storage that's in your control. offlineimap can take care of that pretty well.

      As for Yahoo, I wouldn't be surprised if their email offerings continue to dwindle and crustify, like all their other services have. Gmail seems solid for the foreseeable future, but I'm sure even it won't last forever. As long as we keep copies of our data, we can move on when services wither.

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      "Those who consume the bulk of goods are those who make them. We must never forget this secret of our prosperity."
  95. Evernote, etc. by gottabeme · · Score: 1

    Why even make a separate Gmail account? You can use nested labels.

    But really, this is what sites like Evernote, Springpad, Diigo, etc. are for. They even have smartphone apps, and have web clippers to save straight from the browser.

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    "Those who consume the bulk of goods are those who make them. We must never forget this secret of our prosperity."
  96. Thanks! by MoxFulder · · Score: 1

    Diigo looks like the best replacement I've found. The interface is slightly cluttered but otherwise it seems to support the features I liked about del.icio.us. And the ability to auto-add new bookmarks to del.icio.us simultaneously is really handy.

    Good find.