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FBI Executes 40 Search Warrants For 'Anonymous'

CWmike writes "Police agencies worldwide are turning up the heat on a loosely organized group of WikiLeaks activists. After yesterday's news that UK police arrested five people, US authorities announced that more than 40 search warrants have been executed in the US in connection with last month's Web-based attacks against companies that had severed ties with WikiLeaks. Investigations are also ongoing in the Netherlands, Germany and France, the FBI said Thursday. Acting on information from German authorities, the FBI raided Dallas ISP Tailor Made Services last month, looking for evidence relating to one of the chat servers used by Anonymous. Another server was traced to Fremont, California's Hurricane Electric. On Thursday, a Web page used by Anonymous to coordinate this latest round of DDoS attacks was offline, and the group's Twitter and Blogspot pages were silent." Reader Ajehals contributes a link to the UK Pirate Party's explanation of how the law applies to DDoS attacks.

221 comments

  1. Why prosecute anonymous? by spun · · Score: 0, Redundant

    For the lulz, amiright?

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    1. Re:Why prosecute anonymous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing funny about the way that America is being revealed as a supporter of brutal regimes that systematically torture its citizens - Egypt.

      So much for democracy!!!!!

      I'll buy that for a dolllar!!!!!

    2. Re:Why prosecute anonymous? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      "By all means I'm so happy that the FBI has their priorities straight. Yeah let's go after these high school and college students for messing with corporations while ignoring the corporate criminals who destroyed our economy. America, land of Corporate privilege! "

      http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/arrested-uk-anonymous-web-attacks/#comment-136309035

      BTW:
      The US and Israel did this. Egypt didn't jump - it was pushed.

      Who printed all these very professional "How to Protest" instructional flyers? Anonymous leaked these - in the days BEFORE the demonstrations.

      Look into it yourself, and question all assumptions.

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    3. Re:Why prosecute anonymous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Redundant?! Oh come on!!!

  2. A whole "40" ?... by jmnugent · · Score: 1

    .. The internet is trembling in fear.

    1. Re:A whole "40" ?... by Stregano · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It was only done as a scare tactic. Technically, each attack has its own leader based on the cause. I am assuming that the DDoS stuff that made news was all a singular, planned attack. The person running the show wrote the program or had somebody write it and then gave it out. It sounds like what they are after are the ways most of these guys communicate with each other. What I don't understand is how in the hell 4chan is still up while they are doing all of this. They are raiding ISP's, Power plants for electricity all for chat logs, but 4chan is still up. Are you seriously telling me that 4chan's lawyers are so good that the FBI can't touch them? Other Child Porn sites that try and say "what the user posts I have no responsibility for" still get shut down. I know that 4chan is not all script kiddies and child porn, but if this is one of the meeting points, why keep it up unless you want to keep it up. Maybe keep it up so that you have a reason to continue pushing through these stuff.

      It is so simple to stop the bigger attacks. I am guessing they use specific irc channels and 4chan to communicate. Ok, shut down that irc server until they can get their stuff together with the people making hacking channels (when I log into irc, there are way too many servers anyway, so no harm no foul for me), and shut down 4chan. That would put a HUGE dent in these attacks. Sure, based on the structure (or lack there-of) with anon, attacks will still happen, but the really big ones will be pretty much gone. But if they find out this information, how are they going to get away with raiding ISP's for chat logs? I am sorry, but that is stupid. There are better ways to go about it.

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    2. Re:A whole "40" ?... by Apocryphos · · Score: 1

      Because if they leave it up they can gather data to incriminate more individuals. Honeypot?

    3. Re:A whole "40" ?... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because 4chan is a lot bigger than /b maybe?

    4. Re:A whole "40" ?... by Stregano · · Score: 1

      Hmm, it just makes more sense in my head to stop one system rather then allowing for it to continue for prosecution purposes. If you are known for punching people in the face randomly, what would be a better solution to stop you from punching people in the face: cut off your hand, or charge you with assault and battery? Yes, I realize it is also a crime to chop of people's hands, but you can see my point. Stop it at the source. What happened happened, and investigating is only going to stir stuff up and somebody else is going to get hit by a big attack, organized in 4chan.

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    5. Re:A whole "40" ?... by DurendalMac · · Score: 1

      4chan is a potential honeypot. If the partyvan doesn't already have a backdoor into that site then they aren't doing their jobs. Besides, I think they'd rather keep most of this shit contained to one corner of the internet instead of taking them down and watching the /b/tards spread to the internet at large.

    6. Re:A whole "40" ?... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      4chan is a WILLING honeypot. they will gladly turn over any data requested by federal authorities. nowadays, the only 'raids' on 4chan are inter-board raids. no one cares about it because, well, it's 4chan being 4chan.

      anyone who uses 4chan for organization and coordination of any illicit activity will promptly find themselves in court unless they're very, very careful... and, as you might expect, most of those who do generally don't remain 'anonymous' long.

    7. Re:A whole "40" ?... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /b/ is about half of 4chan, traffic-wise. I saw that on a map somewhere.

    8. Re:A whole "40" ?... by nesabishii · · Score: 1

      Let's explore this analogy:

      A) Cut-off hand: Person is likely still inclined to punch people in the face, but now must find a new implement to do so. For example, their other hand. You have taken away the implement of choice, not the motivation or opportunity. Read: Napster, Kazaa. Relevance to 4chan: shutting down that forum will simply cause its membership to set up shop on somewhere else, likely stepping up anonymity at the same time.

      B) Charge with crime: Person is likely still inclined to punch people in the face, but is eventually removed from the general public (theoretically). The motivation and implement are intact, but there is no opportunity to follow-through. This is analogous to the route taken against individual P2P users by the RIAA/MPAA (despite there being no criminal wrongdoing in those cases). Relevance to 4chan: While it may not hamper the overall community, visible action taken against the individuals within the community potentially serves to discourage similar actions among the less dedicated members. At least, that is the theory.

      Of course, this is a bit of a false dilemma, since options A and B are both essentially toothless when it comes to addressing either the root cause or the primary effects of the DDOS attacks.

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    9. Re:A whole "40" ?... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you should permanently put really soft pillows or something on his hands, because then he can still punch people, but nobody cares because it is a really soft pillow

    10. Re:A whole "40" ?... by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 1

      From what I read in The Register's coverage, e.g. here, the tool they used is just the "LOIC" (Low Orbit Ion Cannon (named for the weapon from the C&C games)). AFAICT, the tool itself does nothing to anonymise users, so unless the people involved do it with a spoofed MAC from someone else's WIFI, they're going to get caught pretty easily.

      As for shutting down 4chan, it wouldn't achieve anything, they'd just move somewhere else. Secondly, I'd wager the FBI, police etc get too many easy arrests (like these ones) to want to shut it down.

    11. Re:A whole "40" ?... by DurendalMac · · Score: 1

      The cops have to know about it to get the logs, and there's a LOT more that goes on in 4chan than the cops could know just by picking low-hanging fruit. Moot isn't an idiot. When a warrant/subpoena is served, he'll comply (why stick his neck out for /b/tards?), but the cops have to send that info first, and they need some pretty specific info (ie, the thread ID) to get it. A full backdoor would give them access to logs for their perusal instead of occasionally stumbling on something and sending out for records.

    12. Re:A whole "40" ?... by ViableDreams · · Score: 1

      But in a very similar situation, they did shut down Craigslist's 'adult services' section, sending it to all corners of the internet instead of keeping it nicely contained. They had a willing partner, and all the 'baddies' were right there waiting to be picked off, yet that's not the way they played it.

    13. Re:A whole "40" ?... by HJED · · Score: 1

      considers what would happen if the police shut down 4chan...

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    14. Re:A whole "40" ?... by DurendalMac · · Score: 1

      Craigslist hookers were far more visible an abhorrent to the public than /b/tards jacking off in some dark corner of the internet. Shutting down the CL adult services was VISIBLY closing out an area that was used almost exclusively for illegal activities. 4chan is a bit different. Very little of the general public would even know if the cops shut down 4chan. When /b/tards start going on killing sprees, then maybe there will be enough press activity for them to move ahead. As it is now, most of the public might know that some online nerds are doing something to some websites.

    15. Re:A whole "40" ?... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck! I'm behind seven proxies.

    16. Re:A whole "40" ?... by Lunzo · · Score: 1

      What surprises me most about that Craigslist shutdown is that prostitution is still illegal in most of the USA.

    17. Re:A whole "40" ?... by Onuma · · Score: 1
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  3. So much for the 'hacktivism' fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your "7 proxies" is no match for the United States Government, or the corporations for which it stands.

    1. Re:So much for the 'hacktivism' fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't really run a DDoS through a proxy, as you are more likely to kill\piss off the proxy first.
      It's pretty difficult to do anonymously. The best you can do is have a botnet.

  4. V& by EdZ · · Score: 1

    Cue the many, many Party Van jokes.

  5. When will they learn? by pcgfx805 · · Score: 1

    Do they not realize the dynamic structure of anonymous? That an activist involved in one campaign might not be involved, or indeed care about, the next? The hint is in the article: "loosely organized".

    1. Re:When will they learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe they do realize but don't care? Their goal here is not to "take down anonymous" it's to prosecute the specific people who broke the law by organizing the DDoS attacks. Whether that means arresting all of anonymous or 1/10000 of it is irrelevant. Note that their warrant did not come from some generic anonymous IRC channel, but the logs of the actual coordination of the attacks.

    2. Re:When will they learn? by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do they not realize the dynamic structure of anonymous? That an activist involved in one campaign might not be involved, or indeed care about, the next?

      The hint is in the article: "loosely organized".

      This isn't about punishment, it's about deterrence. Remove the sense of anonymous invulnerability and some will think twice about engaging in the activity, even if they got away with it before. It moves from a mindset of "there can't be consequences" to a mindset of "there could be consequences". It's the same tactic the RIAA uses.

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    3. Re:When will they learn? by samriel · · Score: 2

      You're exactly right, and that's why they hate Anonymous so much. Most other terror organizations can be destroyed merely by taking out their head men. Anon doesn't work that way. Arrest the LOICers, Anon gets pissed off and LOICs. Arrest Moot, Anon gets pissed off and LOICs. Do nothing, Anon gets pissed off and LOICs. They have no control over them, and that's why they can't stand them.

    4. Re:When will they learn? by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 2

      Anonymous is literally any group of people online willing to work together on a common action. That's impossible to end because it's woven into the very fabric of social interaction of which the internet is but a subset. The internet just created a critical mass effect by allowing an effectively limitless number of people to agree to do things together virtually instaneously. Anonymous is the power of people realizing that they don't need organizations to accomplish simple goals, just people willing to agree to do something once.

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    5. Re:When will they learn? by nobodylocalhost · · Score: 0

      well, they can do a ww2 japanese american style concentration camp for the anons. So much for democracy and freedom right?

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    6. Re:When will they learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do they not realize the dynamic structure of anonymous? That an activist involved in one campaign might not be involved, or indeed care about, the next?

      The hint is in the article: "loosely organized".

      I'm sorry but you have bought into the mythology of Anonymous. They are not a flash mob. Anonymous is a group of hackers/pervs that hang out on /b at 4chan and like to harass little girls. They are not the champions of free speech or as loosely organized as you would like to believe. The key word is "organized". Terror groups are also "loosely" organized into small cells that do not directly communicate with the main leader and yet they can be infiltrated and taken down.

    7. Re:When will they learn? by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that sure has slowed down piracy, lulz.

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    8. Re:When will they learn? by Draek · · Score: 1

      True, but if they fail to get anybody in jail, all it's gonna do is provide definite proof that Anonymous is untouchable by the world's governments, helping them attract more people into their ranks.

      I'd say I'd hope the government planned this well beforehand, but I'd rather they lose and Anonymous get even larger. Which is what'll likely happen, given how effective these "public displays" tend to be.

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    9. Re:When will they learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Most other terror organizations

      How are they a terror organization? Where is the terror?

    10. Re:When will they learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anonymous is literally any group of people online willing to work together on a common action. That's impossible to end because it's woven into the very fabric of social interaction of which the internet is but a subset. The internet just created a critical mass effect by allowing an effectively limitless number of people to agree to do things together virtually instaneously. Anonymous is the power of people realizing that they don't need organizations to accomplish simple goals, just people willing to agree to do something once.

      Sorry but you are confusing the fools/pawns/losers who willingly installed the DDoS client with Anonymous. You are placing way too much faith/credit on social networking on the net. Anonymous is not what you think they are and they are going down fast really soon.

    11. Re:When will they learn? by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 2

      Yeah, that sure has slowed down piracy, lulz.

      It's difficult, maybe impossible, to draw a direct correlation, but the popularity of legitimate media sources has been increasing dramatically. Netflix, Hulu, iTunes, Vudu, etc. are all doing quite well. Were the civil lawsuits an influencer? Maybe, maybe not. I sure as hell don't know, but it's interesting to consider.

      Cops know that most people speed, but they also know that if they don't write any traffic tickets then everyone will speed.

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    12. Re:When will they learn? by hldn · · Score: 1

      It moves from a mindset of "there can't be consequences" to a mindset of "there could be consequences".

      in other words, consequences will never be the same?

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    13. Re:When will they learn? by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 1

      True, but if they fail to get anybody in jail, all it's gonna do is provide definite proof that Anonymous is untouchable by the world's governments, helping them attract more people into their ranks.

      I'd say I'd hope the government planned this well beforehand, but I'd rather they lose and Anonymous get even larger. Which is what'll likely happen, given how effective these "public displays" tend to be.

      That's a highly unlikely scenario. There are existing laws covering DDoS, and I'm sure of three things: (1) the targets have forensic logs recording, at a minimum, timestamps with source IP addresses, (2) the ISPs have names and street addresses associated with those IP addresses and (3) there will be lots of folks who used their own systems for the attacks.

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    14. Re:When will they learn? by tophermeyer · · Score: 1

      I think an organization making a sustained and coordinated attack against financial infrastructure comes close enough. Sure they attacked only the customer facing facets of those organizations while the critical stuff chugged along just fine, but it's still pretty alarming that they really even tried.

      Also, I think their well documented history of targeting strangers with harassment and death threats (just for the lulz) qualifies.

    15. Re:When will they learn? by Krojack · · Score: 1

      Really??

      Definitions of terror on the Web:

              * panic: an overwhelming feeling of fear and anxiety
              * a person who inspires fear or dread; "he was the terror of the neighborhood"
              * a very troublesome child
              * the use of extreme fear in order to coerce people (especially for political reasons); "he used terror to make them confess"

      If you do something they don't like then they will terrorize you by trying to shutdown your computes. This "loosely organized group" is nothing different then the group of bullies from IRC that would threaten to bot flood your channel or packet flood your IP address unless you did what they demanded of you. In fact I bet it's made up of the same people. The third definition best describes them "very troublesome children".

    16. Re:When will they learn? by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually I am relatively unfamiliar with the LOIC operation, and I said jack-all about 'social networking' because even though that's what worries governments, that's the exact opposite of Anonymous. Sounds more like you don't know what Anonymous is and you're projecting your ignorance on me. Here's a hint newfag, I used to hang on #insub before there was an ED, was reading SA when JeffK was a new feature, been on 4chan since teh Rei, and literally partied hard with Jason Fortuny (who makes fine burgers, you'd be surprised to know). The only people who have more net cred than me were around before Endless September, but thanks for giving me an excuse to whip out my e-peen.

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    17. Re:When will they learn? by PreparationH67 · · Score: 1

      It would seem a lot of people conveniently forget the whole "harassment of underage girls" and "death threats" thing when they try and defend anonymous. I hope the FBI takes some of them down so the other goons get it in their heads that there are consequences to crimes, because they are, in fact, criminals. You cannot just go around DDoS'ing ever site you don't agree with, and anyone who tries to equate this with a boycott is a moron. A boycott is a refusal to use the services of or buy goods from a company whose policies you disagree with. What they are doing is no different from throwing bricks through store front windows to cause damage and shut the business down. Just because the store happens to be online does not make it any less severe. People need to understand that and just because they can't get all of them doesn't mean that it is futile. If the police can only catch one pedophile out of a group of 20, does that mean they shouldn't? Law enforcement needs to prove that these people can be caught and that they are not as anonymous as they think.

    18. Re:When will they learn? by Terrasque · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, I can only speak for me and friends, but for us it's convenience.

      After Steam, we never bother pirating games any more. The act of searching, finding a good version, hassling with cracks and all that.. Not worth it. Buy on Steam. Get instant high-speed download, install on multiple computers, automatic updates, easy to reinstall if computer borks... Pirating games? Feh, too much work (while still being much less than buying in store and mucking about with CD's and such).

      Music? After Spotify, we never bother to download. Too much hassle. Spotify have almost all avaliable, streaming, easy sharing, sync to my android.. Downloading, waiting, finding the one single actually good rip? Feh, screw that.

      So, the only thing left is movies and tv shows. Here in Norway the only alternative we got is Voddler, which is lower quality and less convenient (forced commercials? feh) than downloading. And DVD? "You have to see all these trailers of years-old movies and silly anti pirate ads first! Muahahaha" - Seriously.. Even when I buy DVD's, the first thing I do is to rip them to remove the crap and the reliance on the physical disk. Get a good streaming service (with MINIMUM youtube 720p quality and either own bought movies (no silly renting please) or reasonable monthly fee), and I'll stop pirating that too.

      It's simple. Video content industry is getting their ass handed to them on both quality and convenience. Get something that is at least equal in those to what the pirates offer, and you'll see an uptake.

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    19. Re:When will they learn? by Excelsior · · Score: 1

      I think it quite likely has slowed down piracy. I used to download pirated movies many years ago. But as I've grown older and gained a house, cars, stock funds and 401ks, and meanwhile watched many people get sued over piracy, I've definitely changed my ways. I've come to realize that $15 for a DVD, or better yet $8.99/month for Netflix streaming, isn't worth worrying about versus potentially losing my house by getting sued into bankruptcy. Perhaps the risk is minor, but it's still a risk, and the lawsuits are what made that risk real in my mind. Granted this is anecdotal, but I would bet I'm not alone.

      The point of enforcement is to decrease the amount, not eliminate the criminal element. There will always be criminals willing to break the law Prosecuting people who contribute to Anonymous will have the same effect of making some people think twice about joining a DDOS network, just like I think twice about accessing copyrighted material on a P2P network.

    20. Re:When will they learn? by DurendalMac · · Score: 2

      Piracy is far, far more widespread than 4chan chucklefuckery.

    21. Re:When will they learn? by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      True, but if they fail to get anybody in jail, all it's gonna do is provide definite proof that Anonymous is untouchable by the world's governments, helping them attract more people into their ranks.

      Which will make it imperative that some people are persecuted to the full extent of the law.

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    22. Re:When will they learn? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Actually, you could argue that the tearing down of Napster as a P2P network and rebuilt as a legitimate source of music proved that older models of music distribution worked, and in that vein, we now have Amazon MP3, iTunes, Pandora, etc and that wouldn't have happened with out the litigation against Napster.

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    23. Re:When will they learn? by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      not even the combined efforts of hitler, stalin, and chairman mao could bring the structure of anonymous up to what could be called "loosely organized"

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    24. Re:When will they learn? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Cops know that most people speed, but they also know that if they don't write any traffic tickets then everyone will speed.

      That logic only goes so far though. Sure, speeding presents an inherent danger in places like residential and commercial districts, but there are plenty of speed traps on rural highways as well, which means the deciding factor is not safety, but money. Safety is just a nice externality.

    25. Re:When will they learn? by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Wow, is that an idiotic law or what? So the officer has no right to kill people while trying to arrest them except where there is a very real chance of death, but a person being arrested has an automatic right to kill the officer? My god your country is insane.

      Oh, wait, it doesn't say that you have the right to kill an officer (except where it occurs as the result of resistance of excessive use of force) - it says you'll only be charged with manslaughter instead of murder for killing them. Still carries a jail sentence. So you're advocating committing an actual crime in the process of resisting someone else arresting you for an imaginary crime?

      Enjoy your stay in PMITA prison.

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    26. Re:When will they learn? by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 1

      Cops know that most people speed, but they also know that if they don't write any traffic tickets then everyone will speed.

      That logic only goes so far though. Sure, speeding presents an inherent danger in places like residential and commercial districts, but there are plenty of speed traps on rural highways as well, which means the deciding factor is not safety, but money. Safety is just a nice externality.

      I never said it was about safety. I said it was about deterrence, and used a speeding ticket as a simple example of a deterrent.

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    27. Re:When will they learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Maybe they do realize but don't care? Their goal here is not to "take down anonymous" it's to prosecute the specific people who broke the law by organizing the DDoS attacks.

      Yeah, and if this article is any indication, they're even using warrants to do so. As much as everyone in tech likes to bitch about the feebs, it's kinda neat to see them not only (a) doing their job, but (b) doing it the right way.

    28. Re:When will they learn? by Atlantis-Rising · · Score: 1

      It's not an attempt you'll survive, however. If you start shooting at a SWAT team as they attempt to serve a warrant and arrest you, they'll start shooting back- and you'll be dead.

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    29. Re:When will they learn? by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      Yes, at least some people are taking that potential cost into account. However,, I don't think the industry has that strategy driving their actions. The RIAA and MPAA tend to publicly stress that piracy is totally free (financially), and that's why they have such a hard time competing. One argument they make in international trade discussions and for justifying tougher international copyright enforcement is that lowering prices can't work, because there is no effective price point vrs. absolutely free.
            Realistically, piracy isn't financially absolutely free. People pirating typically pay at least a little every month for something, for blank CDs, portable hard drives, dedicated Usenet servers, higher speed connections, more ram or other hardware upgrades, and several other sorts of costs. Piracy takes time, and time counts as a cost. Overall, illegally downloading probably looks cheaper for the total gains, rather than free. A given downloader may be assessing the costs of not having a professionally produced DVD and slipcase, or of upgrading a PC sooner, or of finding music playing and conversion software to handle an odd format, but that downloader probably is thinking in terms of some costs, and the industry doesn't seem to recognise that, The downloader may also be thinking in terms of benefits the industry doesn't recognise, such as being able to convert to formats that work in different devices without DRM blocking that.

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    30. Re:When will they learn? by screwzloos · · Score: 1

      It's not quite like that. It's considered "involuntary manslaughter" in the US if you kill a police officer that acts outside the bounds of the law and threatens your own life.

      As in, if an officer with the intent to kill or maim you comes into your house without a valid warrant, you aren't obligated to sit there and die, and the courts are on your side if that officer gets killed in the process.

      It seems pretty reasonable to me. The last thing a small town like mine needs is some gung-ho cowboy with a badge going around reaping his own justice. That's what this ruling protects us against.

      It's still murder if you kill a police officer that tries to arrest or subdue you legally.

    31. Re:When will they learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Egotistical much?

    32. Re:When will they learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that's not what will occur.

      Real activists use their real names because they aren't afraid of the law, rather, they chose to stand up to it even if it means going to jail. Anonymous is afraid, hence why they want to stay anonymous. When anonymous sees they aren't as anonymous as they thought they were, and there is a real possibility that they can get arrested for, you know, breaking the law, the non-activists among them will fall in line.

      So says the Anonymous Coward.

    33. Re:When will they learn? by Eightbitgnosis · · Score: 1

      *points up*
      I found em!

    34. Re:When will they learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually I am relatively unfamiliar with the LOIC operation, and I said jack-all about 'social networking' because even though that's what worries governments, that's the exact opposite of Anonymous. Sounds more like you don't know what Anonymous is and you're projecting your ignorance on me. Here's a hint newfag, I used to hang on #insub before there was an ED, was reading SA when JeffK was a new feature, been on 4chan since teh Rei, and literally partied hard with Jason Fortuny (who makes fine burgers, you'd be surprised to know). The only people who have more net cred than me were around before Endless September, but thanks for giving me an excuse to whip out my e-peen.

      So what you are saying is that you are an "oldfag"? Here is a hint. If you are proud of hanging out on 4chan, are trying to "school" me on what anonymous and talk about whipping out your penis then you are just a plain fag and a member of Anonymous.

      Here that knock on your door? Enjoy your time in PMITA prison kid diddler. They really hate pedos in the big house.

    35. Re:When will they learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Children, children, you are both faggot retards. One of you is ignorant and an asshole, and the other is a stupid namefag who brags about his 4chan accomplishments like it's some shitty xbox game. There is no such thing as oldfags, only newfags who think that lurking makes them cool.

      And regarding the remark about pedos, that's not cool bro. Don't assume that we are all child molesters. Some of us had the misfortune to be made by God the Father as both pedofags and moralfags.

    36. Re:When will they learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are generally no speed limits on German autobahns.

    37. Re:When will they learn? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I doubt they care. They arrest a few kids for a shock and awe publicity stunt.

      Be serious, do you think 40 or 400 arrests would make a difference, traffic-wise? It's the same "sue the few, scare the many" tactics the RIAA et al tried for a while. And as we all know, it worked like a dream...

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    38. Re:When will they learn? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I "blame" that shift from copying to buying more on the fact that the service now is closer to what people want. The reduction is pretty much in accordance with what a study I did almost a decade ago came up with.

      There were three main reasons given for copying (the survey was anonymous, so nobody had to fear prosecution, of course there is still the possibility of lying, but I would guess most people answered truthfully):

      1. Convenience
      2. Availability
      3. Price

      And surprisingly, in this order.

      It was less of a surprise when I observed later the advent of the iPod and the iTunes store, both products that were gladly accepted by the general population, and the dip in the copying statistic corresponds with their penetration. It's convenience. When facing the choice of going down to the store or pressing a button, the button wins hands down. Whether that button pressing costs a buck or not doesn't seem to make that big a difference for most people.

      What matters most is convenience and that the content they want is for sale. If it is, they will buy. If that cannot be offered, people will turn to alternative means to get it. It may be different for computer games, which have a much higher price tag (and the survey only covered music, not movies or other content), but when it comes to music, getting it for free was not the (main) reason for copying.

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    39. Re:When will they learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They backtraced the DDoSers. No-good punks.

    40. Re:When will they learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should also learn to shut the fuck up and play along in the cases of lawful arrest, like these.

      Alternatively, feel free to assume all arrests are unlawful and follow your own advice. Just make sure you have your obituary pre-written. On the plus side, we won't have to read the drivel you write any longer.

    41. Re:When will they learn? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "It's not an attempt you'll survive, however. If you start shooting at a SWAT team as they attempt to serve a warrant and arrest you, they'll start shooting back- and you'll be dead."

      And all it takes is for that one person to be unarmed and a bunch of pissed off witnesses to see it to start a full-on riot.

      Did you forget Rodney King or what, holmes?

      What's a SWAT team going to do when an ENTIRE CITY is on their ass? NOT ONE FUCKING THING.

      Forget to put your brain in gear this morning?

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    42. Re:When will they learn? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      At least three of the arrests were done without a warrant, so guess what, moron? Those people had a right to fuck the FBI up if they had the capability.

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    43. Re:When will they learn? by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Ah, righto- so it's like saying that self-defense laws apply equally to dodgy cops? That makes considerably more sense, and I can understand that.

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  6. Name similarities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I just hope the FBI can distinguish those dastardly members of Anonymous from my perfectly innocuous sometime nom-de-plume.

  7. Anonymous cannot be destroyed by zill · · Score: 2

    Please allow me to re-iterate this silly argument that I've heard before:

    Anonymous cannot be destroyed by prosecuting its individual members. In order to charge someone, the prosecution must first de-anonymize that person, which immediately voids their membership in Anonymous.

    1. Re:Anonymous cannot be destroyed by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course, if they got pinched, it begs the question of how they were "anonymous" to begin with.

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    2. Re:Anonymous cannot be destroyed by mob)barley · · Score: 1

      They're not trying to destroy it, rather to PWN it.

    3. Re:Anonymous cannot be destroyed by guyminuslife · · Score: 2

      Anonymous is a cult where everybody gets to be the leader.

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    4. Re:Anonymous cannot be destroyed by SheeEttin · · Score: 2

      Anonymous is not about anonymity in that sense. Anonymous is anonymous in that it could be anyone and everyone.
      Think Fight Club's "Project Mayhem".

    5. Re:Anonymous cannot be destroyed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the prosecution must first de-anonymize that person, which immediately voids their membership in Anonymous.

      Anonymous is like a quantum Shroedinger's cat!

    6. Re:Anonymous cannot be destroyed by zill · · Score: 2

      Anonymous is like a quantum Shroedinger's cat!

      Torturing poor kittens with radioactive elements and hydrocyanic acid? Sounds to me like Schrödinger was part of Anonymous.

    7. Re:Anonymous cannot be destroyed by gknoy · · Score: 2

      I would imagine that only foolish members of Anonymous don't attempt to preserve/protect their anonymity.

    8. Re:Anonymous cannot be destroyed by Rinnon · · Score: 1

      Anonymous cannot be destroyed by prosecuting its individual members. In order to charge someone, the prosecution must first de-anonymize that person, which immediately voids their membership in Anonymous.

      That's nothing more than rhetoric, suggesting that the group doesn't exist to make it sound cooler/safer is pretty weak. I bet you got that from an Anon member, right? Being caught doesn't change the fact that you were, for a time, working in conjunction with the other members of Anon. That logic is nothing more than a way for people to make themselves feel better when they take part in these joint projects. In some ways, it's almost like a type of brainwashing designed to not let people feel fear for themselves when they see another get caught. "He isn't Anon" they'll say to themselves "He was de-anonymized, and is therefore no longer a member. We cut off the gangrenous limb, and now the body, which I am a part of, is safe." How juvenile. If you're going to break the law for a cause, and you're not ready for the consequences of doing that (one of which is prosecution, and possibly jail) don't fucking do it.

    9. Re:Anonymous cannot be destroyed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's not what "begs the question" means. You should've wrote "raises the question". The two do NOT mean the same thing.

    10. Re:Anonymous cannot be destroyed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, if they got pinched, it begs the question of how they were "anonymous" to begin with.

      Cowardice. If they're going to stand up for what they believe in they should have the guts to put their name behind it. I just can't stand anonymous cowards!

    11. Re:Anonymous cannot be destroyed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh come on, now your like a Whale Wars douchebag calling himself "extreme". I vote SheeEttin as a member of Anonymous - he thinks its cool to be a terrorist (if we count the ones to accidentally blow themselves up these Anonymous fuckers surely count).

    12. Re:Anonymous cannot be destroyed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If 4chan were around in 1935, we would ruined that sick fuck's life.
      Rule 0: Don't fuck with Cats, because we will find you.

    13. Re:Anonymous cannot be destroyed by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 1

      Anonymous cannot be destroyed by prosecuting its individual members. In order to charge someone, the prosecution must first de-anonymize that person, which immediately voids their membership in Anonymous.

      LOL

    14. Re:Anonymous cannot be destroyed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      someone needs to arrest m00t and get it over with

    15. Re:Anonymous cannot be destroyed by Phoghat · · Score: 1
      If anonymous can't be destroyed, I will henceforth post anonymously and achieve Super Hero Status.

      So long I'm going into hiding.

      Oh yeah, thanks for all the fish

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    16. Re:Anonymous cannot be destroyed by uhmmmm · · Score: 1

      You should've wrote "raises the question"

      You should have written "should've written."

    17. Re:Anonymous cannot be destroyed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anonymous cannot be destroyed by prosecuting its individual members. In order to charge someone, the prosecution must first de-anonymize that person, which immediately voids their membership in Anonymous.

      Please expand on that. How does it 'void their membership in Anonymous'? One doesn't have to be anonymous to be associated with the group Anonymous.

  8. Wikileaks DDos attacks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Any news on those involved in the DDoS attacks against wikileaks? No arrest yet?

    1. Re:Wikileaks DDos attacks? by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 1

      Of course not. Wikileaks doesn't have to money and "friends" like Visa and MasterCard to aid these investigations.

    2. Re:Wikileaks DDos attacks? by TrancePhreak · · Score: 1

      Wikileaks has its own set of lawyers and big piles of money. (They say they require millions of dollars a month to operate.) They are likely just busy doing something else, like defending themselves against other threats.

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    3. Re:Wikileaks DDos attacks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wikileaks is not protected by any of the governments involved here. If it were a legitimate operation not breaking laws (it is), and hosted in one of these jurisdictions, then maybe it'd get some protection.

    4. Re:Wikileaks DDos attacks? by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 2

      Any news on those involved in the DDoS attacks against wikileaks? No arrest yet?

      Yeah, I'm sure Wikileaks is cooperating with law enforcement by giving them their data logs. Yup, that's certainly taking place.

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    5. Re:Wikileaks DDos attacks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You mean that SD story that was revealed to be totally untrue and later retracted? Yeah, that's the one.

    6. Re:Wikileaks DDos attacks? by Beelzebud · · Score: 1

      The people that targetted wikileaks were probably people that actually knew what they were doing, and weren't just blindly running a DDOS program they got from 4chan.

  9. My understanding is... by jimmerz28 · · Score: 2

    It's more of a "movement" than a "group" no?

    1. Re:My understanding is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not either. Its more of a joke that the media and authorities don't get at all.

  10. FBI by damicatz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's nice to know that when corporate interests are threatened, the US Government is more than willing to come to the rescue and do their bidding. Of course, when Goldman Sachs lies, cheats, and defrauds the American people, the US government looks the other way.

    1. Re:FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Err...they didn't look the other way. They were willing to do whatever it takes to rescue Goldman Sachs too.

    2. Re:FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US government absolutely does not look the other way when Goldman Sachs lies, cheats and defrauds the American people!

      That is absurd! The US government is clearly helping Goldman Sachs to lie, cheat and defraud the American people.

    3. Re:FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You do know that this group terrorize and sends death threats to underage girls?

      Underage? How old does a girl need to be to legally receive death threats?

    4. Re:FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do know that this group terrorize and sends death threats to underage girls?

      yeah, a bunch of wonderful people~

      Yes. The powers of federal agents. Fear the powers that can make your young life as miserable as they like to.

    5. Re:FBI by the_enigma_1983 · · Score: 1

      Yes, some people did, and yes those people who did do such things deserve to get punished. But by the very nature that anonymous works, there's no guarantee that the people involved in that issue were also the ones mentioned in this article. Yes, horrible things have been done under the guise of anonymous, but it's not always the same people every time.

    6. Re:FBI by Venik · · Score: 1

      Err...they didn't look the other way. They were willing to do whatever it takes to rescue Goldman Sachs too.

      If they didn't rescue Goldman Sachs, who would have given Facebook the billion dollars? Thanks to the prompt response by the Federal government, I may finally get a working Facebook app for my iPhone. So think before you talk!

    7. Re:FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do know that this group terrorize and sends death threats to underage girls?

      yeah, a bunch of wonderful people~

      And by "this group" you mean any number of individuals who may or may not have done other things? Have you ever been? Many people who are for one thing are against another - ie/ they might be pro-invading Habbo-Hotel, but anti-harrassing girls, or anti-both, or pro-both. Consider each person is an individual, and there really is not an actual group of any co-ordination, and if you think there is you're buying in to the hype being dished out. Someone might make a flyer saying "on this day we are doing THIS!" and then some people might think "oh ok I'll look out for this" and other people might think "man that looks pointless/boring/retarded and against my interests/not like porn" etc.

    8. Re:FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You have failed to understand one of the most fundamental aspects of Anonymous... there is no group.

    9. Re:FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's not why the FBI is after them though. They have been doing that for years and nobody gave a shit. But as soon as they make some rich corporations look bad... well... we get to see who really makes the law.

    10. Re:FBI by PeterBrett · · Score: 2

      You do know that this group terrorize and sends death threats to underage girls?

      yeah, a bunch of wonderful people~

      Even I know that describing Anonymous as a "group" completely misses the point that Anonymous is comprised of people of many nebulous, amorphous and ever-changing affiliations, any two of whom are at any time are likely to be working at cross-purposes or do utterly contradictory things.

      You -- and everyone else, in particular politicians and media organisations -- appear to be determined to put a face on something that by definition has none.

      So yes. Some of the [people who DDoS VISA and Paypal] may also be [people who send death threats to underage girls]. In fact, that's probably a given. But to say that those groups of people are one and the same because they happen to be comprised of people who self-identify as anonymous Internet users is disingenuous at best.

    11. Re:FBI by DurendalMac · · Score: 1

      The guy who nabbed Palin's email wound up in the joint, and I can guarantee you that others have been busted before as well. They just didn't make a big splash or even mention Anonymous because it was likely small incidents, ie, this guy was sending death threat emails and was prosecuted, but it's entirely possible that the cops never even knew that 4chan was involved.

    12. Re:FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And by "this group" you mean any number of individuals who may or may not have done other things? Have you ever been? Many people who are for one thing are against another - ie/ they might be pro-invading Habbo-Hotel, but anti-harrassing girls, or anti-both, or pro-both. Consider each person is an individual, and there really is not an actual group of any co-ordination, and if you think there is you're buying in to the hype being dished out. Someone might make a flyer saying "on this day we are doing THIS!" and then some people might think "oh ok I'll look out for this" and other people might think "man that looks pointless/boring/retarded and against my interests/not like porn" etc.

      So, hey, it's like every other human organization! Not every member of Anonymous holds the same opinions and thinks every Anon cause is a good cause, just like not every Democrat holds the same opinion as every other Democrat or thinks every Democratic cause is a good one, or just like not every al Qaeda member agrees with every other al Qaeda member and thinks every al Qaeda cause is a good one, or blah blah blah. What you're saying is completely meaningless. Every organization is composed of individuals who hold different opinions about everything, to greater or lesser degrees, and any or may not disagree with what that organization is doing.

      Anonymous, despite all the hype and fanboyism, is just like every other organization. It has a "center" the *chan scene, with a major emphasis on 4chan's /b/. It holds a set of broad-based values, and there are disagreements with that organization about those values (same as any other organization) but they revolve mostly around anonymity, extreme democracy, and a general attitude towards authority.

      There is nothing special about Anonymous. Get over yourself. If you can't judge Anonymous by the actions of a major part of its individuals, you can't judge any organization. You think there were no good Nazis who did good things? Does that mean we can't judge Nazis as a whole? If some subgroup of Anonymous has a serious problem with other subgroups, then they fracture just like a normal organization - and so we have e.g. Project Chanology.

    13. Re:FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even I know that describing Republicans as a "group" completely misses the point that Republicans is comprised of people of many nebulous, amorphous and ever-changing affiliations [subparty affiliations, state party affiliations, national party affiliations, local part affiliations, Tea Party, corporatist, Southern - anyone who wants can register themselves as a Republican!], any two of whom are at any time are likely to be working at cross-purposes or do utterly contradictory things [pro health care reform like Romney, anti-health care reform, pro federal reserve, anti federal reserve, pro abortion, anti abortion].

      My God! Half our country is controlled by Anonymous!!!!1111oneone

      PROTIP: You can say the same thing about any human organization ever. People are different! Gasp!

    14. Re:FBI by westlake · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's nice to know that when corporate interests are threatened, the US Government is more than willing to come to the rescue and do their bidding. Of course, when Goldman Sachs lies, cheats, and defrauds the American people, the US government looks the other way.

      Taxpayers Earn +23% on Goldman Sachs TARP Repayment

    15. Re:FBI by bell.colin · · Score: 1

      Anonymous and WikiLeaks didn't pay up, They should have payed protection mo... err donated campaign contributions. Then the politicians will protect them with multi-billion$ bailouts.

    16. Re:FBI by celle · · Score: 1

      "Taxpayers Earn +23% on Goldman Sachs TARP Repayment"

      And how much money did Goldman Sachs get from the government before tarp and how much interest did they make investing the tarp money while they had it?

    17. Re:FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      16. Before then, you have to address the death threat to her parents.

    18. Re:FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad the Fed printed a couple trillion and the US Treasury covered trillions on new loan paper. The only money they paid back was money given to them from us. Our liabilities have dramatically increased in the process.

    19. Re:FBI by MrL0G1C · · Score: 2

      That's besides the point because they're not paying for the damage caused to the economy by the fear of collapse they caused, also they make every penny back by taking advantage of the current financial conditions.

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    20. Re:FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glorious or free. Choose one.

    21. Re:FBI by Skywolfblue · · Score: 1

      Well said. Anon it just a group like any other, it's rather amusing that so many buy into and spout the slogan that it's somehow invincible and invisible.

    22. Re:FBI by PeterBrett · · Score: 1

      My God! Half our country is controlled by Anonymous!!!!1111oneone

      Since most politicians seem to be basically doing it for the lulz, that would actually explain a lot.

    23. Re:FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, what drivel.

      these are the fucking retards who tried to take down amazon. I'm glad th scumbags are in a prison cell. They are just like yobs causing criminal damage.
      fuck em.
      Its not some pseudo communist stick-it-to-the-man crusade. its ignorant fucktard kids acting like dorks.

    24. Re:FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That 23% is taxpayers' money anyway. Imagine this scenario: I need $10 immediately or I'll die of hunger, so I barrow $10 from you and agree to pay you $5 in interest tomorrow. The next day, I take $20 from you because the police there lets me, and I pay you back $15, paying $5 to myself as bonus for doing god's work to get the $20 which would just go to waste. I conclude this by saying you earned 50% interest from me. (I = Goldman Sachs; you = US; police = Fed)

      Although I simplified the reality, this is what happenned with GS become a bankholding company with Fed’s near 0 interest rate.

    25. Re:FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have failed to understand one of the most fundamental aspects of Anonymous... there is no group.

      Of course it's a group, these are organised actions undertaken by a group, not by individuals in some stand alone complex. Sure you can't say that the same group that were responsible for the DDOS were the same group that sent out death threats to little girls but the fact that they continue to attribute their actions to that name suggests that most of the probably are, or at the very least least want to be associated with those actions.

  11. Plain view discovery by chordoflife · · Score: 1

    Judging by the contents of some of their boards, plain view discovery might lead to somebody getting nailed by child pornography or depravity law. Anxiously awaiting the headlines.

  12. Uh oh, I'm in *so* much trouble now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why, oh why, didn't I set up a /. account and log-in years ago???

    1. Re:Uh oh, I'm in *so* much trouble now by lordmetroid · · Score: 1

      Ahhhhhh! Anonymous is here, run for your life!

  13. During arrest by Kvasio · · Score: 1

    - Excuse me, officer, you're mistaken. You are looking for A.Nonymous and my name is .......

    1. Re:During arrest by bjb_admin · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of when the police roughed up a fellow during the G20 protests in Canada, when asked what his name was he answered (truthfully) Adam Nobody. Yes, his surname was legally Nobody. That answer didn't go over so well though.

    2. Re:During arrest by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      Did he or a parent have it changed to that a while ago?
      /curious

    3. Re:During arrest by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      Yes he changed it. He said "it makes for better puns". Apparently the police disagree.

      Not a very smart move, but not being smart is a terrible reason to be repeatedly kicked in the face by the police.

      Even if he was lying to the police their actions were unwarranted and a serious violation of his rights.

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    4. Re:During arrest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could you show me your badge please? No, sir, that's your SONY security pass, I need to see your FBI badge...

    5. Re:During arrest by Kvasio · · Score: 3, Informative

      yep, he was previously know as Bobby Tables

  14. Nobody has seen this yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
  15. How about the DDoS against Wikileaks? by thue · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am sure that the US is pursuing those who DDoSed WikiLeaks with equal energy.

    1. Re:How about the DDoS against Wikileaks? by Spazzz · · Score: 2

      Yeah that says a lot about fair and balanced enforcement of the law, doesn't it? The FBI is a bunch of incompetent, corrupt twits who will always go after the lowest hanging fruit.

    2. Re:How about the DDoS against Wikileaks? by LBArrettAnderson · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wikileaks is hosted in the US? When did that happen?

    3. Re:How about the DDoS against Wikileaks? by Charliemopps · · Score: 0

      Irony:
      http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/12/01/206200/Wikileaks-DDoS-Attacker-Arrested-Equipment-Seized

    4. Re:How about the DDoS against Wikileaks? by stimpleton · · Score: 1

      Probably this would be merely an avenue created by them, to ease the way for their true goals. Yes I am a cynic.

      The only this that separates the US from the other "great firewall" countries is the US is about 5-10 years behind. The US will catch up soon enough. The US Administration will have their way.

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    5. Re:How about the DDoS against Wikileaks? by Corbets · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Mod parent up. Jurisdiction, kids.

    6. Re:How about the DDoS against Wikileaks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So... what about the coordinated international effort? Only for some?

    7. Re:How about the DDoS against Wikileaks? by jayme0227 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I remember correctly, wasn't the DDoS of WikiLeaks done with a traditional malware controlled botnet, while the Anonymous DDoS's were done with an opt-in botnet? To me, it seems like that would make it easier to track down the members of Anonymous who participated than it would be to track down those who were controlling the anti-Wikileaks botnet.

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    8. Re:How about the DDoS against Wikileaks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wasn't wikileaks being hosted on some amazon servers in the US?
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-website-cables-servers-amazon

    9. Re:How about the DDoS against Wikileaks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But while at it. Perhaps they can bring a bunch of troops, like those parked in Iraq or Afghanistan, to fight in the US (where they belong) against the so called Wikileaks rebels. And stop messing aroung with people around the world.

    10. Re:How about the DDoS against Wikileaks? by poity · · Score: 1
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    11. Re:How about the DDoS against Wikileaks? by poity · · Score: 1

      Actually, I was wrong. I guess that was a hoax too? Damn you Slashrumor.org

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    12. Re:How about the DDoS against Wikileaks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So DDoS attacks are worth the attention of the FBI if they use an opt-in botnet but DDoS attacks that are launched via malware controlled botnets are completely and utterly ignored?

      DDoS attacks that are used via malware controller botnets are nothing new at all but they NEVER got this level of attention despite the fact that they've been used to hit pretty much major website for the past 5 years.

    13. Re:How about the DDoS against Wikileaks? by Weezul · · Score: 1

      Except the FBI stands a very real chance of losing some cases if they target people who only ran the LOIC. And punishments will seem excessive even if they win. Instead, they'll probably prosecute only the people who controlled LOIC through IRC. Those people really should've made themselves Anonymous by using Tor.

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    14. Re:How about the DDoS against Wikileaks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, until amazon kicked them off for not being in compliance with laws that were established by our democracy.

    15. Re:How about the DDoS against Wikileaks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure it will start right after Wikileaks hands over it's unedited logs to be used in the investigation.

      What's that? They don't keep logs? Well why the hell.... oh.... well I guess that's not a bad reason, but still, how are we supposed to investigate with out the documentation of the crime?

      CAPTUCHA: Uncaught

    16. Re:How about the DDoS against Wikileaks? by horza · · Score: 1

      The US carried out a DoS on Wikileaks... blackmailed Amazon into hitting the kill switch. Anyway, they just want to be seen to be doing something. I doubt any warrants are for key members of Anon, just a bunch of school kids who probably didn't even realise they were doing something wrong. They will mess up the lives of a couple for publicity purposes and the rest will just get a slap on the wrist.

      Phillip.

    17. Re:How about the DDoS against Wikileaks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, until amazon kicked them off for not being in compliance with laws that were established by our democracy.

      Wikileaks hasn't been charged with anything, and no-one has even managed to name a statute under which they might conceivably be charged. Remember, the U.S. has no Official Secrets Act, because your democracy decided that having one just wasn't worth the price. Good call.

  16. Write your congressman and demand transparency! by mykos · · Score: 1

    I'm sure the subject line drew some rolled eyes or a wistful smile. You know why? Because we all know that any legal avenues to get what we want from the government are closed. And guess what kind of avenues people take when their legal ones are exhausted. The French Revolution was illegal as hell, too.

    1. Re:Write your congressman and demand transparency! by LBArrettAnderson · · Score: 1

      Nope, didn't get me to roll my eyes. Those who support wikileaks have *not* exhausted the legal avenues available to them. At least try. Seriously, write your congressman. Comparing this to other events in history at this point is just dumb. I myself wouldn't mind a bit more transparency (not as much as wikileaks, though). You'd probably be surprised of the amount of support you'd get if you did this with democracy.

    2. Re:Write your congressman and demand transparency! by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      It comes down to how much confidence you have in the system. If you have a lot of confidence, then yeah, you'd believe that you'd share your views with your representatives, and they in turn would apply the correct political pressure to shape the government to match.
      If you little or no confidence in the system, then you don't believe that anything you do will be able to change the government. Being governed without representation is tyranny.

      All that said, the political involvement for most people is damn near zero. Good ol' George W. on his way out said that we should first try to change the system from withint, he worked really hard to set it up just so you COULD do that. Most people I know don't like to talk politics. Of those that do, it's usually just over the dinner table or online. Actually writing to officials doesn't seem to register to these people.

    3. Re:Write your congressman and demand transparency! by JSG · · Score: 1

      >The French Revolution was illegal as hell, too.

      And so was the (N) American one and many others as well.

      The thing about the aftermath of a revolution - the winners get to redefine legality.

      Cheers
      Jon

    4. Re:Write your congressman and demand transparency! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
      Tried that several times. All 3 sent me back cookie-cutter letters detailing why I would be glad to know that they are going to do the opposite of what I had written.

      Hey man, repeal the USA PATRIOT Act.
      -----
      Hey man, I'll be voting to renew it to strengthen America!

      Hey man, how 'bout decreasing the copyright term.
      -----
      Hey man, we know you are concerned that artist aren't getting enough compensation, so I'm gonna introduce a bill to have pirate walk the plank! Vote for me!

      Hey man, can we get some consumer protection laws enacted?
      -----
      laissezfairelaissezfairelaissezfairelaissezfaire-I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

      Hey man, we need some net neutrality.
      -----
      WAKARIMASEN, LOL

      And that cunt John Cornyn even signed me up for his newsletter so he can rub the fact that me doesn't care in my face. Sure, you can write your congressmen, but the only time it will get read is when the aide skims it to discern the topic and send back a rewritten letter.

    5. Re:Write your congressman and demand transparency! by Takichi · · Score: 1

      Imagine if all the people that participate in these attacks instead write letters to their legislature as you suggest. It probably would have a lot more sway than their current methods. Although it wouldn't have the adrenaline/endorphin rush tied to engaging in an illegal behaviour while imagining civilisation laid waste before you.

      If this is the only way they feel they can express their political views, fair enough. They better be prepared for the consequences. But to suggest all legal avenues are closed isn't a good description of the situation.

  17. My connectivity must be magical by Spazzz · · Score: 1

    Because anonops.ru is up for me.

  18. Good. by MWoody · · Score: 1

    I was wondering when they'd start doing this one. Many of the attacks were done using a program called "low orbit ion cannon," essentially an opt-in botnet: run the program and it waits for a signal from a master node, then starts spamming requests at the specified target. Meaning that the participants in the attacks, far from the usual unknowing and unwilling infected, were in fact choosing specifically to join in the action. What's more, the nature of a DDoS makes proxy use counter-productive and ineffective (all attacks come from a small number of proxy IPs, being easily blockable, and you DDoS the proxy long before the target).

    The end result? A list of unprotected ip addresses for a bunch of idiot thugs and 13-year old kids, not at all anonymous. Well done, geniuses.

    1. Re:Good. by Beelzebud · · Score: 1

      Mod this up!

    2. Re:Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think you're missing the point. People knew they were putting themselves at risk. It was deemed to be worth the risk because joining those attacks was considered the right thing to do. Perhaps people just thought with thousands of people joining in what were the chances of them being pulled before a judge over it.

      It's silly to think that people had no idea what they were doing. I don't think anyone could know so little about computers as to believe they were 'anonymous' while using LOIC.

    3. Re:Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what makes the LOIC effective is when 4000+ people connect to a hivemind and attack all at once.

      What web-server admin is going to pick through such huge logs with so many ip's?

      The effectiveness is in the large number of plugged in users.

      This effort on the part of the FBI is going to fail miserably. As most of the volunteers were outside of the USA, many in countries where there are no laws against DDos'ing.

    4. Re:Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What web-server admin is going to pick through such huge logs with so many ip's?

      One who can write a script? "Hmmm, looks like 76.101.24.128 sent 9000000 requests while we were getting DDoS'ed...."

    5. Re:Good. by smash · · Score: 1

      The admin is simply going to submit the top xx requesting hosts after processing his logs with awk.

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    6. Re:Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the proper use of LOIC is to put it on unsuspecting machines, public kiosks, things of that nature. But kiddies are stupid.

    7. Re:Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ther's no master node, you have to input target ip yourself, hence chat servers being taken by LEA to find out who the leader was.

  19. interesting by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

    I'm kind of interested in what's going to happen here. It was widely reported on every news affiliate that Anonymous was PROTESTING these companies. I heard several news casters compare the DDOS attack to a picket line outside a business. The picketers make it harder for customers to go to the business, just like a DDOS attack does.

    I'd like to see what the supreme court makes of it. After all, the companies that were targeted certainly had the means to thwart the attack, Paypal and Amazon didn't even have a hiccup.

    1. Re:interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm kind of interested in what's going to happen here. It was widely reported on every news affiliate that Anonymous was PROTESTING these companies. I heard several news casters compare the DDOS attack to a picket line outside a business. The picketers make it harder for customers to go to the business, just like a DDOS attack does.

      I'd like to see what the supreme court makes of it. After all, the companies that were targeted certainly had the means to thwart the attack, Paypal and Amazon didn't even have a hiccup.

      That is a really bad analogy. A successful DDoS attack does not make it harder for customer to go to the business, it makes it impossible. A better analogy would be an arsonist burning down a building or cutting the power to a building. Did you miss the whole "DENIAL OF SERVICE" in Distributed Denial of Service attack?

      A successful attack is not a protest but rather denying the right of lawful citizens to conduct commerce. It is terrorism.

    2. Re:interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your use of 'terrorism' abuses the term. That word implies, you know, actual *terror*. Anybody who is *terrified* by a DDOS attack ought to get their priorities in order.

    3. Re:interesting by celle · · Score: 1

      "I'm kind of interested in what's going to happen here. ..."

      Me too, as I'm still trying to figure out the illegal part since a DDOS is an steroid version of regular website operations.

    4. Re:interesting by HJED · · Score: 1

      A better analogy would be getting a very large number of people to walk in and out of a shop making it impossible for legitimate customers to enter.

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    5. Re:interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Attacking Amazon was just idiotic. They get a more massive DDOS than any group could possibly orchestrate every year: Cyber Monday. They have so much server capacity they sell it to other companies (EC2). No idea why they even bothered to try that.

  20. I'm Spartacus! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm Spartacus!

  21. Website access is not unauthorized by Sparr0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The problem with calling a DDOS "unauthorized access" is that the access is implicitly authorized by the server being on the internet. The real world analogy here is getting your hundred closest friends to visit WalMart and go through the checkout lines VERY VERY SLOWLY. You have the intent to negatively impact their business, and you are acting recklessly, but that is only 2/3 (well, more like 9/10) of the criteria for violating the laws in question here. You are not using their store without authorization (they have to TELL YOU TO LEAVE before they have any legal relief for your being there).

    1. Re:Website access is not unauthorized by Requiem18th · · Score: 1

      The FBI won't let logic and sense stop it!

      --
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    2. Re:Website access is not unauthorized by DRJlaw · · Score: 4, Informative

      You are not using their store without authorization (they have to TELL YOU TO LEAVE before they have any legal relief for your being there).

      Citation needed. Really. I can pretty much guarantee that a group of 100 would be charged without necessarily being asked to leave. Tresspass, unlawful assembly, disturbing the peace... the particular charge would vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction; but don't mistake private damage control with a legal requirement.

      The problem with calling a DDOS "unauthorized access" is that the access is implicitly authorized by the server being on the internet.

      No, since you're implying that the implicit authorization is unlimited rather than limited to expected or customary activities. Want a REAL real world example? Student newspaper theft. You are implicitly allowed to take one free paper (or, practically, a few) due to the papers being set out in a kiosk or bin. You are not allowed to take every paper with the intent of preventing others from obtaining them or the paper delivering them. Really. You don't have to be told not to do it.

      You can be charged with a crime for taking something that is being given away for free when you exceed the scope of an implicit authorization, and you can be charged with a crime for entering into locations that exceed the scope of an implicit authorization. Really. You don't have to be told not to do something unusual.

      There is nothing magical about a DDOS when it comes to the explicit or implicit authorization that you may have to interact with someone else's computers and services. It's criminal. You damn well know it. Protest is not a legal justification; so welcome to the real world, where you may end up with a criminal record no matter how worthy you, rather than society at large, believe your cause to be.

    3. Re:Website access is not unauthorized by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      The newspaper theft references apply to the LOIC specifically, but not to something like my WalMart example or a very-very-distributed DOS such as the /. effect, where any single person is NOT exceeding the normal scope of authorization.

      That is, if I take all of the free newspapers, it is very likely that I am breaking the law. But if I take one newspaper, and you take one, and Bob takes one, none of us have committed a crime. We haven't even conspired to commit a crime (since we actually did the thing, and it wasn't criminal).

    4. Re:Website access is not unauthorized by killkillkill · · Score: 1

      I'm going to assume that each website had a terms of use of some sort that would probably frown on such behavior and effectively be asking those involved in something like DDoS "to leave". Don't know that I agree that such a piece of text, buried in a page nobody visits, should be legally binding... but the lawyers did put it there for that purpose.

    5. Re:Website access is not unauthorized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is, if I take all of the free newspapers, it is very likely that I am breaking the law. But if I take one newspaper, and you take one, and Bob takes one, none of us have committed a crime. We haven't even conspired to commit a crime (since we actually did the thing, and it wasn't criminal).

      But with a DDOS, you're not just taking one paper each and going on with your day. You all keep coming back every couple of minutes to take another paper. Furthermore, you're not reading the paper or even using it for anything; you're immediately throwing it in the garbage so nobody else can read it. You can hardly argue that this doesn't exceed the scope of authorization.

    6. Re:Website access is not unauthorized by Talizorah · · Score: 2

      The problem with calling a DDOS "unauthorized access" is that the access is implicitly authorized by the server being on the internet. The real world analogy here is getting your hundred closest friends to visit WalMart and go through the checkout lines VERY VERY SLOWLY. You have the intent to negatively impact their business, and you are acting recklessly, but that is only 2/3 (well, more like 9/10) of the criteria for violating the laws in question here. You are not using their store without authorization (they have to TELL YOU TO LEAVE before they have any legal relief for your being there).

      The problem with this "real world analogy" is that it doesn't take into account the "real world" laws criminalizing this behavior in the United States. There is a difference between "unauthorized access" and "exceeding authorized access". The latter can lead to prosecution under federal law.

      My sources:
      Title 18, United States Code, Section 1030
      Title 18, United States Code, Section 1029

    7. Re:Website access is not unauthorized by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      This thread is discussing UK law.

    8. Re:Website access is not unauthorized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They do tell you; that's what the ToS is for. They usually have something like, "...you may not use automated methods to access the Service..." or some similar clause that covers DoS.

    9. Re:Website access is not unauthorized by Talizorah · · Score: 1

      The article's headline is "FBI Executes 40 Search Warrants" and neither the OP of this thread, nor any of the replies, specifically mentioned UK law.

      Nevertheless, it is still a crime in the UK, and has been since 2006:

      http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/48/part/5/crossheading/computer-misuse

    10. Re:Website access is not unauthorized by Grumbleduke · · Score: 1

      As I tried to explain in the linked article, "authorisation" wrt websites seems to be a really problematic area. I think due to a lack of case law (or statutes; probably a good thing) no one is quite sure how websites work legally. While some Internet stuff (particularly contracts, sales etc.) was supposed to be sorted out (in the EU) by the 2002 E-Commerce Directive, there still seems to be a lot of confusion over how the Internet works, although as we gradually get more judges and lawyers used to the Internet, this might change.

      I think the only way we'll get any certainty is if a case (like one of the DDoS attacks) goes all the way to the Supreme Court or Courts of the European Union (or whatever they're called these days) and gets properly argued and ruled upon.

    11. Re:Website access is not unauthorized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't take a morning dump without violating US law. Something being a crime has less meaning when everything is a crime.

  22. The lesson here? by Beelzebud · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't be a useful idiot. Don't take your marching orders from people on the interet who don't give a fuck about you. A DDOS attack like the one 4-chan (let's call them what they are) did, could have actually been anonymous had the morons actually been hackers. This is what it looks like when one pseudo-hacker can write a DDOS program, and a bunch of tech-illiterate morons run it on their network without actually knowing what it's doing, or how to mask their identity.

    1. Re:The lesson here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's sort of the thing about those guys. I'm not a security geek, I never much paid any attention to Anonymous until recently. The articles I read about them were all from mainstream media sources, and I kept thinking something like, "Hm, a bunch of incredibly immature, potentially autistic teenagers bringing down websites? I wonder, did they find a zero-day exploit on the servers? Man, I wish I knew how to do that stuff, that's incredibly 1337." The mainstream media likes to play up the "sophisticated" angle, when LOIC is anything but.

      I thought that they were at least putting Trojans in *.exe files and uploading them to BitTorrent. Imagine my disappointment. It's not like I'm a keynote speaker at a Black Hat conference or anything, but script kiddies really don't deserve any respect.

      Which is sort of strange, because these losers put their 1-Click DDoS tool on their machine, and shout, "Respect us! Respect us! We are Anonymous!" How far they are from the mark.

    2. Re:The lesson here? by SinGunner · · Score: 1

      How do you know some hacker didn't set the files to be run from those locations while he remains.... anonymous?

    3. Re:The lesson here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, how dare people stand up for what they believe in. They knew what the program did, and they knew that it didn't mask your IP. You obviously don't know shit about Anonymous or the DDOS tool it uses. In general, ISPs will filter DDOS attacks when they are using IP spoofing (which is easily detectable), and on top of that, the method of DDOS the tool was using required that IP spoofing be disabled as it required the ability to establish a legitimate connection.

      People who were concerned about their privacy were taught how to use other tools like hping, which allow for source spoofing. Everyone was fully aware of what they were doing, and the IRC was actually ran by a large group of people who were very skilled. Considering the lack of central authority and time restrictions, a lot was accomplished very quickly. Volunteers were coding left and right, and teaching the non tech-literate users what means what and how to use it. The entire time you were sitting here on Slashdot, bashing them for actually doing something about their beliefs. Hope you're proud of that.

    4. Re:The lesson here? by Corbets · · Score: 1, Troll

      'so in short, a bunch of children threw a temper tantrum, and you want us to respect that?

    5. Re:The lesson here? by horza · · Score: 1

      I know, isn't it awful. I'm going to tell off those kids throwing their toys out of the pram into the streets of Tunisia and Egypt.

      At the end of the day the DDoS attacks were a publicity stunt to raise awareness. No real damage was done. And they obviously drew on a vein of popular support as there were no shortage of people prepared to take the risk in running the DDoS client.

      Phillip.

    6. Re:The lesson here? by Beelzebud · · Score: 1

      Everyone was fully aware of what they were doing.... Except those who were not, and not looked after, and now busted. You can be proud of being a useful idiot all you want.

  23. Save the effort by bsDaemon · · Score: 2

    Can't we just save the effort and convict 'Anonymous' in absentia? It'd be much more efficient.

    1. Re:Save the effort by Bonker · · Score: 1

      Can't we just save the effort and convict 'Anonymous' in absentia? It'd be much more efficient.

      Err... no. No you can't, at least in the U.S.. I'm not sure if you Limeys still enjoy the right since you've gutted the Magna Carta so well, but in the U.S., it's coded into the Constitution that anyone charged with a crime has the right to face their accuser and defend themselves in a fair trial.

      You can bring charges against a 'John Doe', here, but you can't convict or sentence them before they have a chance to go before a jury.

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    2. Re:Save the effort by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      I'm not a Limey. My family has been in the US since the 1600s on both sides. But yeah, it does sort of suck over there these days from what I've heard. When I was visiting it didn't seem as loony as the Internet would have you believe, though.

  24. anonymous vs scientology by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    It makes you wonder how effective it actually is in some cases. I hope it is able to continue its work against scientology.

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    1. Re:anonymous vs scientology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It makes you wonder how effective it actually is in some cases. I hope it is able to continue its work against scientology.

      DDOS brought attention to the issue, but it was the lulzy (well, for the first few months) street protests that brought the light of publicity down on the Scilons and sent them scurrying.

      As the Scilons don't actually generate any revenue for the government, they didn't get any real FBI protection against what's relatively small potatoes. But anyone dumb enough to fuck with PayPal or banks gets to meet the V&.

      As well they should. DDOS was wrong against the Scilons, and is still wrong against whomever. It's not just abuse on the network, it's abuse of the network.

  25. this is Americuh! by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    Ain't no law against bein' stupid.
    Or bein' a jackass.
    Or being a stupid jackass.

    hell, we give people their own teevee shows on MTv for that.

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    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

  26. Whew! by mr1911 · · Score: 4, Funny

    There for a minute I read the headline as "FBI Executes 40 Search Warrants For 'Anonymous Coward'", which is why I logged in to make this post.

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  27. A great use of time by McTickles · · Score: 1, Insightful

    A great use of time and resources. What has humanity come to? Aren't there more pressing matters to attend to but prosecute random people because they may or may not have scared huge corporations ?

    Also on the pirateparty UK site I have to rage at vagueness of the laws quoted here:

    1. A person is guilty of an offence if-
    a. he does any unauthorised act in relation to a computer;

    Define "unauthorised" ? (and obviously this doesn't apply to women...)

    1. This subsection applies if the person intends by doing the act-
    a. to impair the operation of any computer;

    So this applies to ISPs doing some filtering since they are crippling my computer's capabilties?

    b. to prevent or hinder access to any program or data held in any computer;

    You mean people cannot "hinder" access to their data by using passwords and such ? so root accounts should have no password ?

  28. how about being on "Jersey Shore"? by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    but not being smart is a terrible reason to be repeatedly kicked in the face by the police.

    hmmmm, I'm terribly conflicted about this...

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    1. Re:how about being on "Jersey Shore"? by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      but not being smart is a terrible reason to be repeatedly kicked in the face by the police.

      hmmmm, I'm terribly conflicted about this...

      History will be punishment enough without incurring human rights violations.

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  29. Anonymity is technically hard by h00manist · · Score: 1

    It's pretty hard to make your connections anonymous the whole time. Tor is mighty slow and blocked in many sites. I'm not sure which of the other options are very reliable. Open wifi is not always available. And if it's your neighbor's, well, that's pretty close to you.

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  30. Censorship is rampant by h00manist · · Score: 1

    Hacktivism has plenty merit in my book, but when up against a government it's quite a challenge. The uncensorable internet is extremely censorable. Copyrights, defamation, trademarks, lawsuits, arrests, and all kinds of stuff are each day more easily used to censor more and more. Egypt and a bunch of other nations, and wikileaks have been examples in the media, but there are lots of other ways everyone is just bottom line censored. There are legal and civil details and complexities of course, but bottom line, a lot of things just amount to censorship, in the end.

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  31. Anonymous members aren't. by Lashat · · Score: 2

    I think the point that law enforcement is trying to make is that finding you is easier than you think. Win-Win for both sides because the FBI gets to look savvy and Anonymous is required to step up their game.

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  32. LOICers = cannon fodder by drwho · · Score: 1

    What did they really expect when they downloaded and used LOIC to DDOS? That somehow they would be protected because of the political nature of the attack, or that they'd be off the hook because someone else actually points that cannon? Talk about stupid.....

    There's probably a bunch of people who installed the software on other people's computers, or maybe just ran it on other people's wifi nets. That is what is to be expected. Do we have to tell these people, so eager to don their Guy Fawkes masks and join Anonymous, that 'CAUTION: FILLING IS HOT'?

    1. Re:LOICers = cannon fodder by horza · · Score: 1

      They knew there was little chance of getting caught. Out of the thousands that may have run it in the UK, a whole 5 people have been arrested, of which maybe 0 will be convicted. The effect this will have on next time? About the same that convicting a couple of people downloading movies has had on file sharing.

      Phillip.

  33. Depends on how big a "search warrant" is by billstewart · · Score: 2

    It's one thing if the search warrant is "search one specific individual's home looking for his PC and trying to get log information on it." It's quite another if the search warrant is "order Comcast to produce all the information they have on the following list of 45000 IP addresses." Sometimes the Feds tell you one kind of number, sometimes they tell you another. (For instance, the numbers of legal wiretaps they'll admit to are usually quite small, obfuscating the broad scope of some of those wiretaps, but sometimes they're giving you numbers of a quality similar to the "street value of the drug seizure" type to inflate how macho they are.)

    Also, realistically, while "Anonymous" might be everybody who's read /b/ at one time or another, but the actual number of people who organized the DDOS attacks and asked for volunteers to run LOIC is probably fairly small, and if they didn't do a good enough job of anonymization, it's possible that they might really be punishing the key players and making clear that they know how to do it on future attacks. On the other hand, if they're just picking a random 40 easy targets who ran LOIC, charging them with conspiracy to commit [crimes defined in ways to make them felonies], and threatening to fine them each for the amount of damage that was done to Paypal et. al's business, that could discourage future participants.

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  34. related to sourceforge outage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As LOIC was hosted on Sourceforge, could the raids have anything to do with the Sourceforge outage earlier this week? Has anyone contacted Sourceforge?

  35. ::sigh:: by davetgra · · Score: 1

    It would be nice if someone in our Government sacked-up and started fixing the issues that Wikileaks pointed out. I'm beginning to believe our Government doesn't think it should be subject to the laws and policies it enforces.

  36. What if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These warrants could be people set up by "Anonymous".

  37. there names are robert polsun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    repeat there names are robert polsun

  38. And taxpayers will get that money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in the form of new X-ray porn scanners to "make them more secure".

    Factoid: 400+ porn scanners were paid for by Obama's "stimulus" bill. Prior to that US airports had 100 of those.

  39. Classical tactics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a classical tactic to intimidate syppathizers. Meet the political police any autocratic regime would be proud of.

    Oh, western democracies. What has become of you?

  40. Homer by rlp · · Score: 1

    Anonymous should have learned from Homer and named themselves 'No man'. They could have avoided the warrants. Or perhaps the more modern 'Who', 'What', and 'I Don't Know'.

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    1. Re:Homer by neminem · · Score: 1

      But... that's my name! They can't have my name!

  41. FBI by RadiusTenebris · · Score: 1

    it's really ridiculous W WikiLeaks!!