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Sony Gets Geohot's Hardware, But Not YouTube/Twitter User Info
RedEaredSlider writes "A Federal court in California has denied Sony's motion to pull the personal information of Twitter and YouTube users who might have downloaded code that allows PlayStation 3s to run with alternative operating systems. The company had filed a motion for discovery, asking for the personal information of users of Twitter and YouTube who might have a connection with George Hotz, who had published a piece of code on his Web site that allowed a PlayStation 3 to run other operating systems as well as pirated games. Sony was, in essence, asking for the contact information of people who had commented on the video Hotz posted showing how he used the code, as well as people he may have corresponded with via Twitter. The judge in the case, Susan Illston, denied the motion. Hotz is still under a restraining order that forbids him from offering any methods or software that allow people to modify their Sony PlayStation 3s. Nor is he allowed to provide links to sites that offer such methods or software. He is also ordered to turn over his computers to Sony."
Fuck Sony.
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Well at least there is some sanity. I am pretty sure commenting on a video is not a crime no matter what the video shows.
Why isn't George Hotz (GeoHot) having a third party do the discovery on his computer(s)?
Then his lawyer and him sit down with the 3rd party to go over their discovery and assert privilege on what they feel should not be shared.
Finally, the Judge makes a decision on the privilege claims and only then does Sony get to see anything.
At least that's usually how these things work when you don't want the other side trolling through your papers or hard drives.
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From everything I've read, Hotz didn't actually do the work to get the master key, and basically tried to take credit for other people's efforts. I wonder if he still wants to take the credit?
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send the systems COD by the cheapest shiping co and let them do the boxing.
"Sorry, Sony. The hard drive is encrypted with a 35 character password and 3DES/AES.. Darn it! I knew I should have used a shorter password..because you see, I forgot it! So sorry about that."
We need comments from a lawyer.
Since when the demandant can confiscate property of the person is accusing?
They could plant anything they want.
At most hardware should be confiscated by the Feds and be examined by them or a recognized 3rd party.
BSD licensed software can't be stolen....
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You sunk my battleship!
The root cause for this lack of choice (as in Canada) is lack of proportional representation.
In my opinion, it's more that American voters tend to choose whom to vote for based in large part on TV news coverage, and the movie studios own TV news. Issues on which movie studios are thought to disagree with the public almost never get news stories, nor do candidates whose platform would reduce movie studios' ability to earn profits and rents.
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Perhaps this software? http://psl1ght.com/
With this? http://cl.ly/3yVX
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The root cause is lack of proportional outrage, don't blame our government blame our collectively tiny balls.
If I can just reach out with my words and touch a butthole, just one, it will all be worth it.
The root cause is lack of proportional outrage
And what causes lack of proportional outrage? Lack of proportional coverage in the mainstream news.
Even better would be to erect a big middle finger statue made of brand new PS3s sold at a loss. Then maybe shove it up some Sony executives ass/penis hole.
If I can just reach out with my words and touch a butthole, just one, it will all be worth it.
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You act like it's Sony's fault that our justice system lets them get away with this crap.
I went to eat some animal crackers and the box said, "Do not eat if seal is broken." I opened the box and sure enough..
The root cause of our clusterfuck of a political system is money. People don't win elections unless they outspend their opponents, so they have to sell themselves to the highest bidder to get campaign funds. Once they're in office, it's time to pay the piper. American politics are dominated by special interests. Same reason real budget reform isn't happening: every little cut you make is going to piss off at least one of the monied interest groups that got you into office. What do you do? Cut things that benefit people who have no money, like public assistance programs. Poor people have no money and usually don't vote, so they're easy to fuck over.
Check out my world simulator thingy.
"Nokia and Sony: Companies that fucked themselves and pissed off their customers."
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Oh my god deja vu.
The root cause for this lack of choice (as in Canada) is lack of proportional representation.
In my opinion, it's more that American voters tend to choose whom to vote for based in large part on TV news coverage, and the movie studios own TV news. Issues on which movie studios are thought to disagree with the public almost never get news stories, nor do candidates whose platform would reduce movie studios' ability to earn profits and rents.
You should have read this portion of the AC's comment:
In the USA you have effectively two choices.
The Democrats, who side with "the creators, artists, etc." and are thus for a strong copyright protection framework
or
The Republicans, who side with the business and are thus for a strong copyright protection framework.
Which means that it doesn't matter if you choose whom to vote for based on TV news coverage, use a Ouija Board, or by reading chicken entrails.
There is no choice - both parties are for the same thing, as far as copyright laws go.
When is the last time the winner of a major election in the USA was someone not from the Democrat or Republican parties?
It doesn't matter what the news coverage is of any candidate, if they all support the same position.
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This is like buying a computer and then being told you can only run Windows on it. If want want to risk bricking my system, I should be allowed to do it.
Void the warranty...no problem. But you bought it. You should be able to run any damn system you want on it.
If you've never been modded as "flamebait" or "troll," you've never tried to argue a minority viewpoint here!
On second thought, it seems Sony has learned from the AACS fiasco.
That private key is a whole four bytes longer than the 09-f9 one!
(Though until they make one longer than 140 bytes, they're pretty much screwed.)
If Geohot is reading this, startup a donation website. I'm sure the world at large would be more than happy to send you replacement parts enough to build your own Beowulf cluster if you really wanted to.
it doesn't matter if you choose whom to vote for based on TV news coverage, use a Ouija Board, or by reading chicken entrails.
If contra-MPAA news sources were more popular among the general public, the major parties would have to cater to fans of contra-MPAA news sources. For example, the Republicans might side with businesses manufacturing consumer electronics and be thus for a strong protection of fair use, and the Democrats might side with independent or non-commercial authors and artists and be thus for a strong protection of fair use.
both parties are for the same thing, as far as copyright laws go.
And the MPAA dictates this thing through its control of news. If something were to break the MPAA's lock on the news, the candidates' if-by-copyright positions would likely swing the other way.
I'd have to think that Geohot has encrypted the contents of some files or perhaps his entire hard drive. Can he be legally required to divulge passwords? He's certainly savvy enough to use hidden containers.
+1 This comment is dead on.
I bought some eggplant the other day, can I cook it how I like or do I have to check with the farmer first?
This is getting off-topic, but this slippery slope of criminalizing independent thinking also applies to environmental causes. Protecting the corporate bottom line is a mentality and policy that is not just negatively impacting freedom to tinker with one's bought and paid for toys and creativity, it's also making it damn hard to save resources like clean water.
"To stop the terrorists."
Oh, how many protests have you organized? How many letter campaigns have you participated in? How many RIAA/MPAA products are you showing interest in by either purchasing or pirating? Don't shove the blame off on anybody else. Responsibility starts with you and me, and I suspect we're both guilty of being irresponsible and waiting for somebody else to start the wave. At least I know I'm a fat, lazy coward.
If I can just reach out with my words and touch a butthole, just one, it will all be worth it.
I am glad Sony is doing this. While I don't like their business practices, they've done the right think with GeoHot. GeoHot is not trying to give you more freedom on your PS3, fail0verflow did that. GeoHot stepped in later and went the extra step so useless sacks of shit like him can pirate games. If Sony gets what they want from GeoHot and stops there, I see no problem with continuing to buy their products.
I still think what Sony did with the PS3 was bullshit, though.
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Oh, how many protests have you organized?
I used to have a web site exposing Disney's lobbying for copyright term extension and anticircumvention legislation, and I promoted it in my signature on a few forums where I was active.
How many letter campaigns have you participated in?
I've participated in several action.eff.org campaigns.
How many RIAA/MPAA products are you showing interest in by either purchasing or pirating?
I follow freeganism with the products of several MAFIAA companies: I'll consume it only if it's already paid for.
Responsibility starts with you and me
I agree completely! Responsibility starts with the two of you. Now get on it!
"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right" - Salvor Hardin
Well thats awesome actually. I guess I got a little unfair there using "you" to stand in for 99% of the internet. So you're an exception, the media isn't the problem though, the problem is the rest of us. Kudos to you.
If I can just reach out with my words and touch a butthole, just one, it will all be worth it.
But I already told you I'm fat and lazy and wallowing in cowardice... at least I hope its cowardice.
If I can just reach out with my words and touch a butthole, just one, it will all be worth it.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
If Geohot has broken the law (DMCA), then how and why does Sony (a private entity) have any right to seize his personal property? If anything, the US Government should be seizing his property as evidence that he committed a federal crime. Last I heard, plaintiffs cannot seize defendants' property in a civil lawsuit. Alas, IANAL...
I'm all for freedom of information, hacker ethics, cracking everything that can be cracked for teh lulz and all that, and I hate Sony as much as the next nerd so I'm happy the PS3 got cracked, despite my complete lack of interest in consoles (I'm a PC gamer at heart). But why did Geohot go public with the PS3 keys once he'd found them? He could easily have distributed them anonymously, achieving the same result without all the trouble. If he really HAD to bolster his e-peen, he could have done things so as to imply he was behind it, but with nothing explicit to prosecute him from.
This should be common sense whoever is on the other end of your guns, let alone if Sony is there, who are known for attempting to sue out of existence anyone who even remotely goes against their wishes.
Exactly what percentage of Sony's revenue do your purchases represent?
Welcome to the world of multinational corporations.
What makes you think that your advertisement efforts will prove more effective than Sony's?
Once again, welcome to the world of multinational corporations.
Yeah, basically, most people are complete idiots.
Additionally, most Americans seem to fall the fuck over themselves for Disney and other media monsters. They have neither the will nor the wherewithal to see how the sausage is made.
The both of you, though, stand up guys. Too bad those of us who care are outnumbered about 10,000:1.
This is a pretty funny picture. Someone should put it on a T-shirt.
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As someone who has done the whole Sony Style thing and has installed millions of dollars worth of Sony professional equipment over the last decade and who has recommended several million dollars more of Sony professional equipment alone with several million dollars worth of Sony home theater equipment I think I am a position to influence those that I deal with on a daily basis. Sure it wont hurt them but every trickle counts. In our field Panasonic, and Canon are quite competitive to Sony products. So I won't be recommending their products to our customers anymore and will actively inform customers to STAY CLEAR of their products and why they should.
I'm sure its in the EULA somewhere that they reserve the right to take back any PC without notice.
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Personnaly I don't like saying that I will 'NEVER' buy from 'X' again. I normaly punish them with a term of non-buying from 1 to 5 years depending on the offense 'X' did against the universe.
In Sony's case; they got 5 years (with no parole) from me in 2005 following that small 'rootkit on CDs' incident. I respected their sentence and only last december I purchased a VAIO i7 740m laptop. Looks like it's gonna be another 5 years... Stupid pricks...
I'd pay extra to get one that didn't bitch. Lots extra.
As a matter of fact keep the fully functional one. I'd just stick to flesh women.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
# hping2 --icmp --icmptype 8 --count 1 --data 32 --file sonyps3.key --spoof 64.37.182.61 $ContributoryCopyrightInfringer
echo 'Header append X-HD-DVD "0x09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0"' >>
Your logic sucks.
You can't simply will millions of boycotters into existence, and you cannot force anyone into it, but you can join for yourself and get the whole one body closer.
Try not to take me more seriously than I take myself.
Well, sorta. Sony wants to argue that someone can steal intellectual property and rip games. A big issue is that a highly advertised and desired component was the Alternate OS. Personally, I wanted to use Alternate OS to run Gentoo. Never got the chance before it was taken off. I dont have time to "crack" my PS3 and run an OS. I barely have time to play a stupid game unless its vacation time. never the less, if Sony had left Alternate OS alone and simply tried to update their firmware or patch the hole in some way, do you think this would have ended up better? How about hiring Hotz? I dobt many will really opt out of buying PS4. Your other options are a Microsoft gaming console and Nintendo. I think Sony should focus on hardening their security and less time trying to reem the community at large.
Or, in other words, I won't buy another Sony product for as long as I live, just because they're being such dicks. I see that a lot of others feel the same way, too.
There are more than two parties.
How many parties get covered on the established TV news? The so-called "Tea Party" doesn't count; it's a libertarian movement within the Republican Party and doesn't field candidates.
Prove it.
Calculate how many people it will take for Sony to be adversely affected by a boycott. Enough to notice and take action.
Then tell me what it would take to make all those people to care enough to go through with it. Remember to take into account that most people either don't understand the issues or don't give a damn about them.