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Poor Picture At Your Local Cinema?

The Hub writes "Have you ever noticed that the picture in your local movie theater is too dark or grainy? The Boston Globe does some good ol' fashioned investigative reporting to find the culprit. Apparently, the cause is linked to some 3D digital projectors requiring a technically challenging lens switch for 2D movies that sometimes doesn't happen."

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  1. As another thread on a recent Sony article indicat by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is actually due to the fact that Sony digital projectors are so locked down with DRM that even changing the lens requires all kinds of password checks (which can potentially lock the camera down if not done correctly).

    Sadly, this is one of the problems that digital projectors were *supposed* to fix. For years, it was a infamous practice for theater managers to extend projector bulb life by reducing the power of the lamp. Since most people don't notice (having no idea how the movie is *supposed* to look), they could get away with it. Roger Ebert in particular complained about this practice for decades (even organizing protests at certain theaters engaging in the practice). When digital projection came along, one of the selling points was that it produced a much more consistent image (and managers couldn't futz with it--reducing bulb strength, etc.).

    Now, thanks to our good friends at Sony, it would seem like we're right back where we started from (maybe even worse, since this produces an even darker image than one of the celluloid projectors at half power).

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  2. No by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

    But then, I might not be going blind from a lack of a girlfriend. jk

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  3. Re:Fuck 3D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    trying to get modded up for pointing out that people hate 3d?

  4. Better linked to firing the projector operators. by Kenja · · Score: 1

    To save costs, most theaters do not have a projector operator on staff anymore. So little or no corrections are made for different films.

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  5. Good ol' fashioned what? by blair1q · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I read that story earlier. It doesn't sound so much like investigative journalism as it does like local projectionists raised a shitty on a reporter's answering machine and the reporter recast the rant in story form, plus a couple of phone calls.

    Investigative journalism would have got more out of Sony and the theater owners before going to press.

    And yes, Sony has been screwing the pooch on all fronts (audio gear, online security, production, projection) for the past several years. Their corporate culture has become one of doing things cheap. They may no longer have any idea what "quality" means beyond the narrow ISO 9000 version of "every unit matches the spec".

    1. Re:Good ol' fashioned what? by plover · · Score: 4, Informative

      Investigative journalism would have got more out of Sony and the theater owners before going to press.

      Did you even RTFA? Here's the relevant paragraph:

      Though the issue is widespread, affecting screenings at AMC, National Amusements, and Regal cinemas, executives at all these major movie theater chains, and at the corporate offices of the projector’s manufacturer, have refused to directly acknowledge or comment on how and why it’s happening. Asked where his company stands on the matter, Dan Huerta, vice president of sight and sound for AMC, the second-biggest chain in the US, said only that “We don’t really have any official or unofficial policy to not change the lens.’’

      They contacted people. The right people, in the case of AMC. All these people uniformly shut the hell up, because that's what corporate executives are trained to do when there's a controversy that would cost them money to fix (yes, changing the lenses would be a big expense for these theaters.) They've been given their chance, and now that they've established there's a stone wall of silence, it's time for the reporter to let the story out. If it pisses off the fickle moviegoing audiences even more, well, the theater owners had their chance to speak.

      Maybe this story will get them to set a policy to change lenses. Or maybe it won't. When you consider the dreck that so many of these movies are, counting on the taste of the moviegoing public to concern themselves over projection quality seems unrealistically optimistic.

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    2. Re:Good ol' fashioned what? by blair1q · · Score: 2, Informative

      The person who answers the phone at N places said "I can't let you speak to him" and one guy said "I don't know" in a fancy way.

      I did more "investigation" by opening /. this morning.

      The things I read between the lines of TFA were:

      1. this story is biased towards the rants of the projectionists (rightly or wrongly)

      2. the moviegoer can't tell without comparing, even if the difference is huge, and almost no moviegoer has a reason to try comparing; everyone forgets how we put up with 4:3 and NTSC for 60 years without feeling shortchanged; our issues with quality are generally with the idea that someone somewhere is getting better quality for the same price, not that we have a clue what is or isn't appropriate de facto quality

      3. the reporter didn't hound anyone or camp out in the lobby or sneak in anywhere or pore through secret documents to dig up the dirt, he just made a few phone calls, talked face-to-face with those who likely brought him the story in the first place, and eye-witnessed what anyone on the street could have seen just by looking.

      4. the corporate types who actually do have insight into the problem don't seem to have any insight into the problem, hence maybe that one guy is just more out of the loop than he thinks. it happens. half of my chain of command wouldn't know what my main job function is, and i'm not an invisible presence around here.

      5. the problem is a snafu in the specification of an item that was demanded heavily (did you see how much money Avatar made? as shitty a movie as it was? all attributed to 3D) and rushed to production. fixing the problem in the field is exacerbated by another problem that has intense corporate policy interest (piracy of digital content); the problem isn't affecting bottom line yet, so it won't get fixed soon.

    3. Re:Good ol' fashioned what? by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      Being that most of the theaters around me are either harkins or amc, I'd like a more comprehensive list of suspect theaters myself... maybe yelp, who knows.

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    4. Re:Good ol' fashioned what? by blair1q · · Score: 1

      3. sure, but I don't think this story rises to the honorable level of "investigative journalism". and i think it needed to percolate; this reporter was on the verge of causing the tempest with himself holding the teapot and in prime position to how he forced the industry to capitulate. now it's in the wild and he'll be a footnote as they deal with the problem and PR the process for their own benefit (see also your comment about claiming the nominal result as a bonus).

      4. he shouldn't have a job, as it's clear he isn't doing it, which likely means he didn't really know there was an issue until he was called for this story. in fact, his answer, that there's no policy on maintaining the quality of the images, pretty much tells me that his title is window-dressing. even if he signs the orders to buy projectors, he admits he doesn't give anyone orders to make sure the sight and sound are any good. clear sign of a corporate sinecure with no clue what his value is.

  6. and I thought it was the flaws of digital cameras by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Digital cameras are criticized for low dynamic range, especially in dark light scenes,
    lower spatial resolution, like smke or sharp edges,
    lower temporal resolution, like splashing water scenes, etc.
    A good camera man or director can work around these flaws.

  7. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by oh-dark-thirty · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And it's not just picture issues, but as TFA mentioned there are sometimes sound problems that go uncorrected for long periods. I drastically reduced my movie-going years ago when I realized I could invest a few grand at home, and come pretty darn close to the theater experience, in some cases surpass it. If I'm paying $10-$15 for a movie ticket, I expect a properly calibrated projector and sound system. Oh and let's all be surprised at once that Sony locks down their pro equipment even tighter than the consumer shit.

  8. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by WeatherServo9 · · Score: 2

    This is actually due to the fact that Sony digital projectors are so locked down with DRM that even changing the lens requires all kinds of password checks (which can potentially lock the camera down if not done correctly).

    1) Camera?! er, not quite...that would be projector. 2) Why is this a DRM issue? It sounds like a (really bad) implementation issue. All the other projector models still have to deal with the same DRM (Hollywood is notoriously twitchy about this and there is no additional DRM on the Sony projectors that I've heard about...), but they don't have this issue when switching between 2D/3D films. The Sony 4K with Real D setup just isn't designed well from a usability point of view, and many modern multiplexes have shown they can screw up even the most basic of things. Also, it doesn't help that Real D needs a silver screen; that's a whole new source of image degradation that would be nice to do without (that's not unique to Sony).

  9. Re:Fuck 3D by contenderX · · Score: 1

    Twoply.

  10. So they are trying to boost the home theatre by H3lldr0p · · Score: 1

    Why else would they be crippling themselves by making going to the movies even worse than it was before? It certainly can't be because they're making tons of money by showing the films to begin with. And it certainly isn't because of skyrocketing ticket and concession stand prices. Or that they're fighting to keep calorie counts off the menus.

    They'd have a good reason for making people not want to go, right? Right?

    1. Re:So they are trying to boost the home theatre by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      It's just the standard capitalist optimization process - find the lowest-cost solution - and thereby lowest quality - that people are still willing to endure, then run with that for best profit. The market does not optimize for best quality, but for the best quality/cost ratio that will be tolerated. Which, to no big surprise, mostly ends up being utter crap. The basic failure of the whole free market theory is that it assumes rational actors. People at large are not rational actors, though.

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    2. Re:So they are trying to boost the home theatre by speculatrix · · Score: 1
      I would add that an efficient free market economy requires both the buyer and the sellers to have sufficient information about their activities that they can optimise their buying or selling according to their requirements... i.e buy and sell on cost, quality, quantity etc.

      However, many consumers are ignorant, and corporate sales relies on their ignorance and thereby charge for perceived value which is not actually there. For example, Monster Cable, who have been shown to offer no performance improvement for their price premium.

    3. Re:So they are trying to boost the home theatre by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      Well, yeah - that's what I am aiming at. You are absolutely right that besides the point of rationality I was talking about, complete information on both sides, in a symmetric manner, is quite essential to free markets to work. Obviously, that is not the case either.

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    4. Re:So they are trying to boost the home theatre by speculatrix · · Score: 1

      "The Undercover Economist" is an interesting book to read and it discusses how lack of information on the buyer or the seller causes apparent pricing anomalies or perceived unfairness; whether in the second-user car market (often the seller knows a lot more about the vehicle meaning buyer cannot know risks) and health insurance (buyer understands their condition and knows the risks far better than the seller).

  11. Re:Easy by Ironchew · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Profits.
    Introducing DRM into component swapping is intended to eliminate third-party replacement parts, thus allowing the manufacturer to completely control the product cycle, and allowing them to charge any price for replacement parts.

  12. I have noticed this well before digital and 3d by Osgeld · · Score: 1

    Really though you pay out the nose for this experience and projection just is not up to par, especially now days where you might sit 2 foot away from a HD screen all day then walk into a movie theatre.

  13. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by b0bby · · Score: 1

    2) Why is this a DRM issue? It sounds like a (really bad) implementation issue. All the other projector models still have to deal with the same DRM (Hollywood is notoriously twitchy about this and there is no additional DRM on the Sony projectors that I've heard about...), but they don't have this issue when switching between 2D/3D films. The Sony 4K with Real D setup just isn't designed well from a usability point of view, and many modern multiplexes have shown they can screw up even the most basic of things.

    From TFA:
    "Sony provides projectors to the chains for free in exchange for the theaters dedicating part of their preshow ads to Sony products. Unfortunately, the 3-D boom took off in late 2009 and Sony had to come up with a retrofitted solution."
    Sounds like the bad implementation is due to a quick hack that they've managed to push out to the theaters.

  14. Not so easy (was: Re:Easy) by Zenin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From the article these Sony lenses are retrofits to existing hardware.

    The assumption then is that the original lenses were not meant to be regularly changed, which makes sense: Traditionally a theater projector lenses is selected and calibrated for the throw and screen size of the venue...then effectively never touched again. In that situation there's no reason not to have the entire projector effectively "locked down". It's both a DRM issue but also a "don't let the local moron theater manager goof up the finely calibrated projector settings".

    3D caught them off guard. Replacing those projectors entirely would be ungodly expensive. There already existed an ability to replace the lens, which technically was all that is required to show 3D. The method to do so was never designed to be easy, however.

    So the choices:
    1) Scrap hundreds of millions of dollars worth of almost new projection equipment for a completely new "Now with 3D!" design.
    2) Supply a replacement lens and instructions (albeit complex instructions).

    From a business perspective it's an easy choice. Don't blame Sony, blame the non-sense that is the 3D fad.

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    1. Re:Not so easy (was: Re:Easy) by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · · Score: 1

      Don't blame Sony, blame the non-sense that is the 3D fad.

      Or blame sony for the DRM that makes changing the lenses more complicated than it needs to be?

    2. Re:Not so easy (was: Re:Easy) by Merls+the+Sneaky · · Score: 1

      Don't blame Sony, blame the non-sense that is the 3D fad.

      3D is a fad again because it's DRM for theatres. Pretty hard to make a decent cam of a 3D film. (not that cams were any good to begin with.)

    3. Re:Not so easy (was: Re:Easy) by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      Easier still... dedicate a portion of theater space to 3d-only showings, and not worry about lense changes... I've been watching more movies in 3d at the theater not because I enjoy it that much more, I can't even lean to the side while watching now... but because there might be something interesting, or it might be done well. Avatar was about the best use of 3d I've seen so far, though a mediocre movie at best... hopefully it gets better. That said, I have no intention of getting it in my living room for a long while. Part of going out to the movies is a giant screen, short of 60" in the living room won't compare, and though kind of anal about sound and video I'm not nearly that spendy with it.

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  15. Pre-3D? by SilverHatHacker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about explaining why the picture sucked at my local cinema before this 3D craze took off?

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    1. Re:Pre-3D? by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Because projectionists, although they are presenting themselves now as a guild of skilled artisans, are really just one step above convenience-store clerks in their value as skilled labor. And theater owners haven't given a crap hardly ever.

    2. Re:Pre-3D? by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      How about explaining why the picture sucked at my local cinema before this 3D craze took off?

      The article did mention another practice that was somewhat common at theaters doing film projection: extend the life of the projector bulb by not lighting it at full intensity...

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    3. Re:Pre-3D? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      It's sort of a bipartite thing: All those projectionists who are, in fact, a guild of skilled artisans were priced out and either fired or went indy. Their replacements are whichever of the convenience-store clerks who remain to sell tickets and popcorn seem least likely to damage anything important, with perhaps an outside contract call if something is simply too fucked up to ignore.

    4. Re:Pre-3D? by markxz · · Score: 1

      After being made redundant by an small chain arthouse cinema (due to digitisation) and moving to a multiplex (run by a major chain) I find the lack of standards in the projection department depressing.

      It was the equivalent of moving from working as a chef in a decent restaurant, to working for Mcdonalds.

      Anyway, it won't be long until all the 35mm projectors are ripped out and replaced by Sony digital projectors.

    5. Re:Pre-3D? by blair1q · · Score: 1

      from working as a chef in a decent restaurant, to working for Mcdonalds

      To the employee it may have felt that way. To the outside world it was a McDonald's cook being replaced by a machine.

      Every elementary school has an AV club full of 4th-6th graders who can do what projectionists can do.

      There was never an art to it, and the goals were minimal: sharp focus, clean lens, clear sound, and synchronization.

      Any half-assed chef would chase you down the street with a cleaver if you called him just a projectionist of food.

    6. Re:Pre-3D? by maztuhblastah · · Score: 1

      How about explaining why the picture sucked at my local cinema before this 3D craze took off?

      Oh, that's easy.

      You've seen 1+ movies at that cinema, yes?

      And you paid money (i.e. they weren't free)?

      There you go. That's why.

    7. Re:Pre-3D? by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      Because projectionists, although they are presenting themselves now as a guild of skilled artisans, are really just one step above convenience-store clerks in their value as skilled labor. And theater owners haven't given a crap hardly ever.

      That's true, the theater itself is really just an elaborate snack bar that happens to show movies. First run theaters make jack on ticket sales, it's all about the snacks.

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    8. Re:Pre-3D? by crazyvas · · Score: 1

      Don't underestimate your local cinema. It was just ahead of its time....

  16. 3D ruins 2D? by archer,+the · · Score: 1

    I saw Thor in 3D and was really distracted by the poor 3D. I was still charged $12.50 for the privilege of not enjoying the show. Now they can't be bothered to get back to 2D correctly? The local theaters won't be getting my money again soon.

    1. Re:3D ruins 2D? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      How do you know if it is your local theater has the issue with poor 2d. The bad 3d is the movie makers fault. I remember liking Shrek 3d but hating Tron. But if the bad 2d is due to human error you probably should check to see if your local theater makes the mistake or not.

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    2. Re:3D ruins 2D? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      I saw Thor in 3D and was really distracted by the poor 3D. I was still charged $12.50 for the privilege of not enjoying the show.

      Wow..where do you live that a movie is THAT expensive???

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    3. Re:3D ruins 2D? by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Wow, where do you live where $12.50 for 3D is considered expensive?

      3D gets a price premium.

      Oh, and in LA and NY (and probably the Bay Area) $12-$15 for *2D* is par for the course. IMAX and 3D cost even more.

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    4. Re:3D ruins 2D? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Should have seen Priest. Great action film, and 3d was used pretty tastefully. No tossing things at the audience ala Jaws 3d.

    5. Re:3D ruins 2D? by SirMasterboy · · Score: 1

      In Wisconsion at an AMC theater with a new IMAX dual 4K projector setup it's only $9.25 per ticker for the IMAX version and 3D doesn't cost any extra.

    6. Re:3D ruins 2D? by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      IMAX 3D doesn't cost extra but "regular 3D" does. Which brings about a weird effect near me, where 3D films are $2 cheaper in IMAX than they are in the attached regular theater. As in, you can literally compare prices by walking less than 100 ft.

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    7. Re:3D ruins 2D? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      I remember liking Shrek 3d but hating Tron.

      It was the opposite with me, hah.

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  17. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by elrous0 · · Score: 2

    Not only that, but the advertisements have just become absolutely insane. I made the mistake of showing up to a movie on-time recently. And for the low-low price of a $10 ticket and $6 popcorn, I was treated to *20 minutes* of commercials and trailers (not including the slideshow at the beginning). After watching my second car commercial, I realized that I was giving up on theaters entirely. It's bad enough I have to skip through 6-7 trailers on every blu-ray I buy.

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  18. Why do I need to go to the theater? by Craig+Maloney · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Gee, so on top of the projector problems, I have the various annoyances from people not behaving properly in the theater, possible sound-quality issues, and an overall sub-par experience. Or I could just wait for it to come out on DVD, and watch it at home, where I know the quality of the TV, DVD player, and sound system. And I can pause it if I need to take a potty break.

    So what's the benefit to me for seeing it in the movie theater?

    (And no, 3D is not a benefit because my wife gets splitting headaches from watching 3D movies).

    1. Re:Why do I need to go to the theater? by zigmeister · · Score: 1

      I hadn't gone to much more than 1 movie a year (Ironman and I couldn't even remember the others, mediocre obviously) for the past couple of years being underwhelmed with well most of the products, the prices steadily going up, so on.

      So recently I've been trying to make an effort to see more flicks and I did go to two recently, and these problems immediately stood out to me:
      1) The picture is kinda grainy, it isn't a dealbreaker for me but for what they're charging it's definitely annoying
      2) The sound is just loud enough to make my ears hurt. I mean if they just turned it down a bit it'd be fine but at least till your drawn into the film it's a huge detractor for me, I guess I could sit in the back but it's all surround sound anyways right?
      3) Maybe it's just inflation but the prices seem to be a bit high, even the matinee isn't all that cheap, but also not a dealbreaker

      Well I guess I wouldn't care if I about the price or get too picky about picture quality if I had a good time, but films continue to underwhelm and the sound continues to be too damn high. Also I'm only in my mid-20s so it's not like I'm some old geezer going on about kids and their new fangled noise. Oh well maybe I'll try to do more outdoors stuff instead, more personal too.

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    2. Re:Why do I need to go to the theater? by Craig+Maloney · · Score: 1

      Music and Movie reproduction are all about trade-offs. I'd love for Rush to play an intimate concert in my living room, but unfortunately they're currently busy in Europe, so I have to settle for seeing them live when I can, and playing their CDs when they're not available. It's a compromise I can live with. I rip all of my CDs to .FLAC because I want the best possible sound. That's a compromise I can't live without.

      Unfortunately, the movie theater owners are making compromises for me by not changing the lenses of their equipment to suit the film. To me, that's one more agitation to seeing a movie in the theater. Having to deal with schedules, other inconsiderate people, and high ticket prices means additional trade-offs. Would that I could have a larger screen with theater sound systems at home, would that satisfy your requirement for me to watch a movie? Or is there something special about the whole theater-going experience that somehow transcends the hardware of that experience? I'm perfectly content with the compromises of my home setup, as are many other folks for whom even a small iPad is adequate for movie watching.

      I just hope the movie theater hasn't compromised your theater-going experience without your knowledge. At least I know where my compromises are.

    3. Re:Why do I need to go to the theater? by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      Because you don't have a 100ft wide screen with more than 7 channels

      I also don't sit back 20 rows and 200 feet from the screen. Size is relative.

      (movie theaters have many more channels than 7).

      Care to substantiate that? Many more isn't an exact number, but IMAX for instance just uses 6 discrete tracks. If 6 is good enough for IMAX, why is "many more" really necessary?

    4. Re:Why do I need to go to the theater? by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      This is why I don't go to theaters.

      I remember when the Dark Knight came out. I had just watched Batman Begins on Blu-ray, and it came with a preview of the Dark Knight which was basically just the opening bank sequence from the final movie.

      After seeing that on my somewhat crappy and small HDTV, you'd think that seeing it on the big screen would be a big improvement. Nope.

      The color was worse, the image was worse, and some idiot had decided that PG-13 movie was the perfect place to bring his young children.

      Now, I'm sure that part of that has to do with this specific theater using the "old" film tech (remember, the Dark Knight was released in 2008, so this predates the Sony projectors in the article), but, honestly? Why would I bother with that.

      So I don't. Instead I have a NetFlix subscription. The picture may be smaller, the sound may not be quite as surround, but damn it, I don't care.

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    5. Re:Why do I need to go to the theater? by wes33 · · Score: 1

      That's a compromise I can't live without.

      so what does that mean exactly?

    6. Re:Why do I need to go to the theater? by Craig+Maloney · · Score: 1

      I use lossless compression for my music, because I like the higher quality over MP3 files.

    7. Re:Why do I need to go to the theater? by Jarik_Tentsu · · Score: 1

      That's like saying "What's the point of going to the pub where they charge $8 for a pint of shitty tap beer when I can have my favorite beer at home for $3".

      Cinema is still a 'going out' experience. You go with friends, or maybe even a date (though on Slashdot, not sure how often that happens) as one of your activities amongst others (maybe hit the pub after, or a restaurant, or a host of other activities). The experience is being their with your friends, *not* just watching the movie.

      While I'm not saying the video/sound quality doesn't matter, I'd hardly say a home theatre replaces the experience.

    8. Re:Why do I need to go to the theater? by PNutts · · Score: 1

      Because you don't have a 100ft wide screen with more than 7 channels (movie theaters have many more channels than 7).

      How wide a screen appears to you depends on how far you are from it. Bigger isn't necessarily better. Also, my sound system is quite old and consumer quality but 6.1. I can rattle the dishes in the kitchen if properly motivated. Everything is tuned to my preference, as opposed to Toy Story 3 in the theatre which was so loud we had to move back. I think it also rattled the dishes in my kitchen across town. More powerful isn't necessarily better, either.

    9. Re:Why do I need to go to the theater? by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      Are you really that stupid?

      Your ideal speaker would be real life: almost everything around you is a source of sound, at least by reflecting it.

    10. Re:Why do I need to go to the theater? by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      The # of channels isn't about volume but about location. It's not how loud the jet is, it's how it seems to roar right over your head.

  19. Re:What I don't get is by paiute · · Score: 2

    Tho I wish the article went into more detail about the issue also how to tell the difference between a movie being shown in 2D with a 3D lens and a just naturally dark source.

    "They’re not doing that, and there’s an easy way to tell. If you’re in a theater playing a digital print (the marquee at the ticket booth should have a “D’’ next to the film’s name), look back at the projection booth.
    If you see two beams of light, one stacked on top of the other, that’s a Sony with the 3-D lens still in place. If there’s a single beam, it’s either a Sony with the 3-D lens removed or a different brand of digital projector, such as Christie or Barco."

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  20. One more nail in the coffin? by eth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, let's recap again:
    Home theatre:
    - Better sound (always in the sweet spot)
    - Better, cheaper food
    - Alcohol, if inclined
    - No cell phones
    - No lines
    - No noisy neighbors
    - Can pause for bathroom breaks and food refills
    - More comfortable seats
    - and now better picture

    Cinema:
    - New releases available immediately
    - Can go with large group
    - 3D (I already wear glasses, so this isn't necessarily an advantage)

    HT costs a lot up-front, but once you have it, you'll use it a lot - especially considering it works for TV and gaming. (My setup would take about 125 cinema trips for two to break even)

    1. Re:One more nail in the coffin? by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      And while home theatre costs a lot up front, a basic TV / DVD player set does not, making the cinema an even worse deal. You may not get quite as zoned out as you would in your home theatre, but that's not really a bad thing.

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    2. Re:One more nail in the coffin? by eth1 · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that the biggest cost of a home theatre is good speakers, which, treated properly will last a very long time.
      My "next" home theatre will probably only cost 20-30% of the current setup.

    3. Re:One more nail in the coffin? by mjayde · · Score: 1

      Cinema:
      - Prevent angry apartment neighbors (or police) from knocking on your door
      - AC

    4. Re:One more nail in the coffin? by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      My cinema sells alcohol alright, but it's Heineken and they claim it's beer. I disagree. At home I can fetch a decent Hertog Jan from the fridge.

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  21. Re:Lots of theater problems actually by obarthelemy · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've actually given up on theaters, and watch movies at home. Too much noise, smartphone glare, impolite people...

    On one of my last outings, someone actually smoked a joint, which at least was fun, and quite in the spirit of the movie. Then he started to loudly get into the film, which was also fun, especially since the film was quite bad.

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  22. Re:Lots of theater problems actually by mlts · · Score: 2

    That is one blessing about Austin: The Alamo Drafthouse.

    No kids (except clearly marked "baby day" shows.)
    Real beers on tap.
    People yapping on cellphones get escorted out.
    People texting get escorted out.

    And who cares about focus after 2-3 brews anyway.

  23. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by blair1q · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When that happens, leave the movie, go to the manager's office, pound on the door, and raise a stink.

  24. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by PitaBred · · Score: 1

    I don't even skip trailers any more. Got myself a copy of AnyDVD HD and all my Blu-Rays go straight to the hard drive as a feature movie. I'll watch the Blu-Ray once for special features, they're rarely worth it though, and even then... I can rip the out-takes as well and not have to dick with the annoying menus and trailers and crap on media that I paid to have available any time.

  25. Re:and I thought it was the flaws of digital camer by blair1q · · Score: 1

    Almost all new movies are shot with digital cameras. The image is sometimes post-processed to make it look more filmish. Using a film camera now is a special setup for a special effect.

  26. Re:Lots of theater problems actually by PitaBred · · Score: 1

    We've got some of those theaters here in Denver, too. It's nice. The only problem is half the seating is barstool-style, which doesn't lend itself to movie watching.

  27. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by EdZ · · Score: 2

    I've had missing channels, missing sub-bass (with everything turned up to the point of clipping to compensate), and one all-night film festival where the projectors were 4K, the source was BD, but everything was sent via 480p (i.e. one device in the chain had been configured incorrectly). What really pissed me off was that I actually went to the trouble of finding someone to radio the projection room and tell them both what was wrong and how to fix it, and have them do nothing.

  28. Re:What I don't get is by blair1q · · Score: 5, Informative

    why passwords and such are needed to change the lens and how was it set up like that?

    The 3-D lens is mounted inside the case. The password is needed to allow you to open the case, because once the case is open you could get at the digital signal and steal it.

    Why they coupled these is a small mystery, the most likely solution to which is that Sony's engineers did what was easy to implement instead of what was easy to use.

  29. Re:Easy by t2t10 · · Score: 1

    Yes. The technical reason is called "Sony DRM".

  30. Re:Lots of theater problems actually by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 2

    Amen. And now that I have 3D, no need to go to the theater any more for anything. I can wait until shows hit Blu-Ray.

    No cell phones. No kids. No sticky floors. No people absentmindedly kicking your seat. No people around you talking or babies crying. No outrageous prices for snacks.

    The theaters have done this to themselves.

  31. It's not a 3D lense by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

    It's a 2D copy-making port, it's where you attach the camera.

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  32. Re:and I thought it was the flaws of digital camer by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 1

    I have to admit that I haven't checked the specs of commercial digital movie cameras but can tell you that with most CCDs the dynamic range is way bigger than with film.

    If they don't digitize with enough bits, or throw bits away, or the compression is too extreme, you can lose dynamic range.

  33. Re:and I thought it was the flaws of digital camer by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    Almost all new movies are shot with digital cameras. The image is sometimes post-processed to make it look more filmish. Using a film camera now is a special setup for a special effect.

    Eh.. you're both sort of right. Your conflict is coming from the words 'usually' or 'almost all'. It's closer to 50/50 with digital gaining every year. It's also fairly common to use both on a show.

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  34. The Money is in 3D by NicknamesAreStupid · · Score: 2

    The industry has decided to make this commitment for DRM (harder to copy in 3D theater with a video recorder) and margin reasons (higher ticket prices). The problem is that the 2D versions with the right lens look brighter and, in some cases, much better. The solution is never show the brighter 2D version. Of course, it cost money to change lenses, too. Bottom line, there in no incentive for the industry to go back to 2D anything, except that, maybe, people will not go to see dark screens.

  35. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by mr1911 · · Score: 2

    Bob and a duck walk into a bar. The bartender says "We don't serve quacks in here". The duck turns to leave, and the bartender says "no, the duck can stay - it is that quack pretending to be a doctor that has to leave".

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  36. personally, I find Dr Bob fresh and amusing... by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    but you're still a quack, and an idiot.

    or a successful troll.

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  37. Dealing with Mr. Spoiler by tepples · · Score: 1

    So what's the benefit to me for seeing it in the movie theater?

    One benefit is not running the risk of having your friends, who did see it in the movie theater, spoil the big plot twist.

  38. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As someone who has actually operated a Sony 3D projector at an AMC theater, I can't believe a post this wrong got modded +5. DRM and lens changes have nothing to do with this problem; the 3D effect is created by an electronic polarization filter mounted on a dowel that swings in front of the projector lens to show a 3D movie. You can release the clamps and swing it out of the way in about 15 seconds.

    The real problem lies in the fact that AMC hires the least common denominator to operate movie projectors and pays them barely above minimum wage so they don't do anything crazy like take pride in their product. I got out of there as soon as I could.

  39. Theater sound is very often subpar by name_already_taken · · Score: 1

    The picture quality is often poor too.

    Because you don't have a 100ft wide screen with more than 7 channels (movie theaters have many more channels than 7).

    I bet you also listen to your iPod rather than going to see a musician live...

    Since your technical arguments aren't valid you throw in an ad hominem attack. I guess you're not going for any positive moderations, and that's ok.

    Turns out you don't need a 100ft screen if you sit closer to it - like you can in your own home. We have a 108" picture from our projector and it is a better picture than I've seen in a number of the local theaters.

    The number of channels is irrelevant if they are not set up properly. Even as recently as a couple of months ago I've sat through muddy sound in a theater. It's not like I live out in the middle of nowhere either, there are a lot of theaters in the area so you'd think they'd want to stay on top of their game to compete with each other.

    Pretty much all decent modern surround sound receivers will do automatic calibration - if the theaters did this too, we'd probably be much happier theatergoers. My receiver supports 11.2, which is in fact more than 7 channels, and it wasn't expensive. Our low frequency setup is the envy of our audiophile friend, and it wasn't expensive either.

    As it is now, we only go the theaters as a social occasion with friends.

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    1. Re:Theater sound is very often subpar by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

      11.2? What brand/model is that, I haven't seen that before. Yes, I'm serious, I'm looking to upgrade my sound system in the near future, but haven't really started looking yet.

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    2. Re:Theater sound is very often subpar by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      Took all of 10 seconds to find this one.

  40. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by shadowrat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    maybe i'm weird, but i like trailers. In many cases, the trailers are better than the movie. You see a couple minutes of just the best parts and you get to use your imagination to weave together a cool story. I've often said i wouldn't mind sitting in a theater and watching an hour of trailers. I wouldn't want to pay for it though. If i could do it for free i think i'd find it preferable to seeing an actual movie. Actually i've done that plenty at home by piping hd quicktime trailers to my tv.

  41. Just watched Thor by glittermage · · Score: 2

    This morning a group of us watched Thor & one member of our group who had seen the movie in 3D IMAX said our 2D version was horrible and dark, probably by 33%. We thought this team member was nuts & now this article pops up. Interesting.

  42. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by airjrdn · · Score: 2

    They're Sony projectors? So it should be relatively trivial to hack them shouldn't it?

  43. I get what Sony was trying to do... by TiggertheMad · · Score: 1

    As mentioned above, the lens changing was probably viewed as a once only setup feature. I'm betting that getting into 'bios' like features on a projector is protected with passwords to keep the monkeys ($10/hr teenagers) from playing the the multi-million dollar projectors and trying to 'fix' them when they need minor adjustments. Changing a lens probably only requires a changing a option from '2d mode' to '3d mode' in a calibration menu, but it is part of the system that is locked for everyone but admins.

    Would you, if you were a corporate IT admin, let your end users go into their bios and change cpu clock speeds if they wanted to, or would you lock them out of everything for simplicity sake?

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    1. Re:I get what Sony was trying to do... by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · · Score: 1

      to keep the monkeys ($10/hr teenagers) from playing the the multi-million dollar projectors and trying to 'fix' them when they need minor adjustments.

      Actually I believe the article mentioned something about physical tamper resistance and having to get passwords from someone just to open the machine without it locking down... though I can't double check that now because the article now apparently redirects to some idiotic registration screen (?!)...

      I think the purpose of it was to keep aforementioned $10/hr teenagers from ripping brand new movies off of the machine.

      Would you, if you were a corporate IT admin, let your end users go into their bios and change cpu clock speeds if they wanted to, or would you lock them out of everything for simplicity sake?

      If said locking out somehow prevented them from doing their job or made them less efficient at it then the lockouts would be unacceptable.

  44. Re:Better linked to firing the projector operators by kimvette · · Score: 1

    And yet if you watch closely you will notice the advertisements are always in absolutely perfect critical focus, but the feature film is inevitably severely front- or back-focused,

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  45. Why I don't much bother with theaters anymore by davidbrit2 · · Score: 2

    I go to the local movie theater maybe once or twice a year, and every time I go I'm reminded why the trips are so infrequent. The 20-30 minutes of advertisements and garbage before the show are bad enough, but as far as I'm concerned, digital cinema looks like crap. It's a jagged, aliased mess that's nowhere near the clarity of good film, there's enough ghosting to be a distraction, and I swear I've seen what looks like compression artifacting in fast action scenes that are heavy on red/blue. And now you have these dumb brightness issues. I can get lousy picture quality in the comfort of my own home for much less than the cost of a movie ticket. Plus I can hit the pause button to get up and pee.

  46. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by _xeno_ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Funny, because according to the article and a projectionist that actually offered his real name instead of posting anonymously, it's because of DRM.

    So why aren't theater personnel simply removing the 3-D lenses? The answer is that it takes time, it costs money, and it requires technical know-how above the level of the average multiplex employee. James Bond, a Chicago-based projection guru who serves as technical expert for Roger Ebert's Ebertfest, said issues with the Sonys are more than mechanical. Opening the projector alone involves security clearances and Internet passwords, "and if you don't do it right, the machine will shut down on you." The result, in his view, is that often the lens change isn't made and "audiences are getting shortchanged."

    That's right, according to James Bond, it's due to DRM.

    ...OK, so maybe saying "I'm taking the word of James Bond over someone who's anonymous" isn't quite the best way to phrase things, but well, that's really his name.

    Plus it's entirely possible you're talking about a different model of Sony projector, since this apparently affects only Sony projectors that were originally 2D-only but later retrofitted to be 3D.

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  47. Newest surcharges from theaters by flibbidyfloo · · Score: 1

    Maybe a little off topic, but I got really annoyed the last time I went to my local theater because of this latest outrage: "new" "XD" theaters that charge a couple bucks extra for floor-to-celling screens and slightly larger and cushier seats.

    The funny thing is, the screen only seems so big compared to the other ones because it's the same size as they were 25 years ago before they started cutting up the theaters into the tiny sizes they are now. It's the same with the seats. They get smaller and harder for a couple decades, then suddenly someone has the bright idea to revert to the old sizes and charge extra for them.

    1. Re:Newest surcharges from theaters by Combatso · · Score: 1

      if you feel that way about theatres, I wouldnt reccomend you book on an airline anytime soon

  48. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by couchslug · · Score: 1

    "When that happens, leave the movie, go to the manager's office, pound on the door, and raise a stink."

    Fuck that, don't go to the theater in the first place. Sharing space with a bunch of screaming ghettoids, paying too much for crap food, and worrying about my ride getting broken into isn't worth it.

    I can't hit Pause when I need to shit, my fridge isn't handy, and there is nothing compelling about a theater experience.

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  49. Re:Lots of theater problems actually by Dishevel · · Score: 2

    I go to movies. I like them. I no longer though go to movies near my home.
    I drive 30 mins to get to one of these theaters.
    I get there on time. Get an assigned seat. No commercials. A few good trailers. Small theaters.
    Respectful people and Ushers that give a shit.

    30 min of driving and a few extra bucks and suddenly I like movies again.

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  50. Re:Lots of theater problems actually by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

    Like most good social experiences, this is way more common in places other than America, especially Europe.

  51. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by blair1q · · Score: 2

    You weren't in my house last night when Netflix had a system outage.

    They're going to frame my emails if they ever see them.

  52. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by blair1q · · Score: 1

    sed -e 's/manager/mayor/' < mypost.txt

    HTH

  53. Re:Better linked to firing the projector operators by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2

    I worked concessions at a theater in Dallas in 1981. The professional projectionists went on strike, so they trained me and other popcorn servers the minimal amount to keep the movies going. I don't remember the details, but 6 months later we became the permanent projectionists and the pros were not seen again. That is the level of concern management gives proper projection.

    We still had to swap lenses and aperture plates depending on the film format. It was a simple mechanical release for the lens. I don't know why DRM would require something different for that task. Either Sony screwed up in a fit of paranoia (never!), or the current group of minimum wage projectionists just don't have the necessary training.

  54. Re:and I thought it was the flaws of digital camer by ZosX · · Score: 1

    Its true, thought it must be said that digital is far more averse to highlight clipping, whereas film has a bit of a soft knee where it doesn't clip so harshly and abruptly. Much better shadow detail with digital however as well as a much wider range overall.

  55. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by davester666 · · Score: 1

    Totally. Now, with the need to hype every movie to the max, they wreck the experience of actually seeing the movie by including all the best scenes in the trailer.

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  56. I Personally Experienced this and Complained by dynamator · · Score: 1

    I went to see 'The King's Speech" (PG version) at the AMC in (undisclosed Southern California Suburb) Most decidedly and mercifully NOT a 3D presentation

    The preshow commercials were running a little dim. At first I thought this was just the 'video' projector running the HD commercials before the show. I took a peek up in the booth and sho' nuff the polarizer assembly for the 3D is parked right in front of the cinema projector lens. It's a big rectangular glass in a sturdy frame - you can't miss it. I go and mention this to ticket taker up front, and I see some of the ushers poke their nose in theater - not the booth. No dramatic improvement.

    It's not even as if this projector was bouncing between multiple movies. Is it too much to have someone check the rig - just once - at the start of the day?

  57. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 1

    That's a retofit method, used on 2k projectors. Projectors such as he SRX-R220, which is a 4k projector, and one that I have used, has a twin lens system that splits the 4k image in to two 2k images. Each lens have their own circular polariser so you loose brightness, as the image has been split in half each lens has to blow up the image to fill the whole screen, so you loose brightness again. When you sum up left and right lens on the screen, the brightness is increased. When it comes to 2D projection, they are not changing the lenses, and only one of the lenses is used, so you get a dull image. If they switched to a 2D lens, the brightness would increase.

    When switching to 2D, you get 60% more brightness because you have no polarisers straight away, plus more brightness as the focal length is shorter, and the screen is silvered rather than grey or white like old cine projector screens. You actually go the opposite as it is too bright. The projectors colour space will also need recalibrating because the polarisers have a slight tint. This is nothing hard as they can be stored as presets.

    I never recall any passwords being required to change a lens. Only time I have know there to be encryption is with the DCP files that store the film, the keys have to be sent remotely from the distributor to the local server at the cinema.

  58. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by Alien+Being · · Score: 2

    Trailers belong at the end.

  59. Re:Lots of theater problems actually by bertoelcon · · Score: 1

    I've noticed most of those problems are gone if you go when the place opens during the week and find somewhere cheap, I pay $5 ($7 for a 3d) and it feels like I have a private screening. Sometimes the movie is a little late though (I talked with one of the managers about it on my out one day and he said they wait a max of 10 mins if they have less than %10 of the theater is sold). Then you can go to lunch afterward and bypass the concessions entirely. It's also got to see if new movies are worth it (usually reviews from average people are online by Monday after a movie comes out on Friday.)

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  60. Euphemisms by mbstone · · Score: 1

    It's not "digital projection." It's TELEVISION.

  61. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by Kitkoan · · Score: 1

    Oh? Did they leave the 3d lens on the video stream and forget to remove it for the 2d lens for streaming 2d movies?

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  62. Re:Lots of theater problems actually by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

    In the cinema's I go to I get a full screen message that I can text to a number (with a predefined message format) to complain. Discretely, anonymously and direct. Supposedly the manager looks whether it's a real one and if it is (s)he removes the disturbance from the theater / haves the problem fixed.
    I have never needed it.

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  63. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by Threni · · Score: 1

    Also, I'm not sure how you'd be able to determine whether the `poor picture` problem was caused by 3d filters as opposed to whatever's been respsonsible for poor pictures for the last 35 odd years I've been dragged to see a movie. The quality always sucks! Why doesn't text stay still; why does it have to jump around? Why is the film always scratched? Why does it go out of sync with the audio? Aren't these all problems which were solved in the 1930s?

  64. Monster Cables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If they would just get the premium monster cables, it would look so much better.

  65. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by rhook · · Score: 1

    Or you could just stop going to the movies in bad parts of town.

  66. Re:Better linked to firing the projector operators by PNutts · · Score: 1

    Back in the day when I was a projectionist, the lenses heated up and required refocusing a few times during the movie. If the beginning is in focus and rest not, the projectionist started the show, focused (or not), and never came back.

  67. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by Combatso · · Score: 1

    there is a difference between a good movie promotional trailer and 10 minutes of toilet paper ads. If I wanted to see a bear wipe its ass I would go camping.

  68. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by zildgulf · · Score: 1

    To add, many people now look to fix problems via GUI instead of a physical inspection or, in Larry the Cable Guy language, "just look at the darn thing for something that ain't right".

    I know it happens to IT people all of the time. They will try to fix things on their desktops by trying different drivers and reloading Windows instead of checking the card or motherboard for blown capacitors or scorch marks (power hit) or checking the power supply for the right wattage. Sorry a 90W power supply is not powerful enough to power your new 1 Tb HD and your new Uber-powerful 4D Graphics Card AND the tons of USB devices to like to plug into your desktop.

    If the supposedly trained IT people make that simple mistake imagine the minimum wage plus flunky trying to fix a 3D projector to show a 2D movie. Solving such a problem is beyond their pay grade. The solution is to hire a contractor to train the projectionists. It is a cheaper solution in the long run assuming anyone cares to solve this problem.

  69. Re:and I thought it was the flaws of digital camer by ginbot462 · · Score: 1

    >> It's also fairly common to use both on a show.

    O, hi Tommy. .

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  70. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    Trailers are fine. Car ads, deodorant ads, soda ads, etc, are not. I remember the first time they started showing those kind of ads in theaters (believe it was back in the early 90's, here in the U.S. anyway) and how the theater chains swore up and down that it was just a one-time promotional thing. Up until then they would just show trailers (and back in the 70's, you might even get a cartoon or short).

    Of course, I knew that once they got started, it would just snowball. They've made movie-going such a painful experience that I can't imagine going back. The outrageous prices are one thing (concessions have always been overpriced, and it's how theaters have traditionally made their money--fine). But the ads have gone too far. If that's the only way a theater or theater chain can make money, then they need to find a new business model. Because my home theater can beat that. and if they start forcing me to watch cars ads on my blu-ray, I'll just turn to piracy (then they won't be getting ANY of my money).

    And they can shove their overrated, overpriced 3D up their asses too (or rather, shove it up their asses in T H R E E D I M E N S I O N S ! ! ! ).

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  71. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Hell, last time I went to a movie, someone totalled my car in the parking lot.

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  72. Poor Brightness Watching 2D at 3D Theatres by filmteknik · · Score: 1
    The biggest problem is with the version of Real D brand 3D that is sometimes used with Sony projectors. Unlike the other Real D systems that project alternate left eye and right eye frames and use a special filter that electronically switches polarizations, the system in question "stacks" two 2K frames on top of each other within the Sony's 4K image field (which is 4 times the size of a 2K frame). The optics superimpose the two frames on the screen, after passing them through fixed polarizing filters. First of all, it only uses half the image area as the two stacked "sub" frames are in the middle with unused area on each side. Right off the bat that throws away half the light output on a projector that is already weak. (So weak in fact that it's not used at all on larger screens.) Then the light is cut by more than half by the polarizers. Apparently someone thought this was a great idea because both left and right frames are on screen at the same time instead of alternating. But it's so wasteful of light on a projector that can ill afford it. While this system cannot easily be removed and replaced--it takes a technician, I have been assured that regular theatre personnel can in fact remove the polarizing filters for 2D. Whether they do or don't is up to the company policy.

    I think in the end you will see the theatres using this system removing it and replacing it with the Real D XL or XLW system which should substantially increase the light output. In case anyone cares, conventional Real D has the projector rapidly interleaving left eye and right eye frames while a filter in front of the lens electronically "flips" between two polarization orientations so the Real D glasses let each eye see only the correct image. The Real D XL and XLW systems work the same way but make use of the light reflected off the back of the filter to augment that which passes through. All of them can be moved out of the way for 2D.

    But there are other systems besides Real D and I will now post a summary of what happens in a 3D-equipped theatre when a 2D movie is show. Disclaimer: I do not work on 3D systems but have friends who install this stuff and I have verified this information with them.

    First of all just so everyone knows, looking back at the projector and seeing twin beams of light does NOT automatically mean it's a Sony projector with a 3D lens. There are other systems that create two beams of light such as some other versions of Real D and Digital IMAX.

    Real D with the simple "Z Screen" in front of the lens: Easily moved out of the way for 2D.

    Real D using the XL or XLW optics used for larger screens: This can be removed or slid out of the way for 2D. There is even a device that will move it automatically. However, even if left in place when turned off it decreases brightness just a little.

    Real D using the split field lens (only on Sony projectors): Generally requires a technician to remove and replace BUT the polarizing filters can be removed and replaced by theatre staff---if company policy allows it. Removing them increases brightness on 2D shows.

    Master Image 3D: This is a spinning filter wheel in front of the lens and will move down out of the way for 2D.

    XPand 3D: This system uses LCD shutter glasses so the correct eye sees only the proper frames which the projector is interleaving. 2D presentations project normally and there is no dimming of the 2D picture. There are no filters except the shutter glasses which you won't be wearing for 2D.

    Dolby 3D: A small filter wheel inside the digital projector moves out of the way for 2D which then projects normally.

    True Film IMAX: 2D shows run on one projector as usual. No change in brightness.

    Digital IMAX aka Fake IMAX or LieMAX: This system uses two separate projectors side by side. When running 2D, the polarizing filters move out of the way automatically. Both projectors are still in use for 2D presentations so there will still be twin beams of light.

    Technicolor Film 3D: The 3D l

  73. Re:As another thread on a recent Sony article indi by emj · · Score: 1

    Having spent an insane amount of time in bear infested forrests I can tell you that you are more likely to see a bear wipe its ass at the cinema.