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Draft Horses Used To Lay Fiber-Optic Cable

mysqlrocks writes "In Vermont, FairPoint Communications has enlisted draft horses to help lay fiber-optic cable in remote locations. Vermont Gov. Peter Shumlin has pledged to bring broadband to every last mile by 2013, including many remote areas that have been neglected in the past. Private companies have been unwilling to invest in the expensive infrastructure needed to reach these areas. However, Vermont's congressional delegation helped to secure $410 million in federal money earmarked for broadband development and Vermont has partnered with private companies, like FairPoint, to bring high-speed Internet access to all Vermonters. From the article: 'The difficulty of getting cable to "every last mile," is where Fred, the cable-carrying draft horse, comes in. "Hopefully it pays off," says Hastings. "We could maybe get a four-wheeler in here," he continues, gesturing to the cleared swath of boggy, fern-studded terrain that he's working in today. But definitely not a truck, and Fred's impact is nearly invisible. Residents rarely complain about a draft horse tromping through their yards.'"

154 comments

  1. only one? by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

    $410,000,000 and they could only get one horse? Talk about inflation...

    1. Re:only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you give me $410,000,000 ill get you 2 horses.

    2. Re:only one? by davidbrit2 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, they've only just recently begun breeding horses that poop fiber optic cable. The price will come down soon enough.

    3. Re:only one? by avgjoe62 · · Score: 1

      Yea, pretty soon fiber optic cable's going to be as cheap as shit...

      Of course, that still doesn't mean that ISPs will not implement data caps...

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    4. Re:only one? by _0xd0ad · · Score: 3, Informative

      No.

      Fred is 14, and he’s been laying line for five years. Desmarais, who lives in Westmore, has laid line with draft horses for 31 years, and he learned to drive a team on his father’s farm in Barton when he was young. He travels to Amish country in the Midwest at least once a year to appraise new equipment and buy a horse, if one catches his eye–as Fred did one year while Desmarais was in Indiana. Desmarais has four draft horses, another Belgian and two Percherons: a second team lays line for FairPoint elsewhere in the state.

    5. Re:only one? by MarkRose · · Score: 4, Funny

      Look at my horse, my horse is amazing!
      Feed it some glass, mmm it's currently lasing!
      It transmits frames, an optical backplane!
      Ping it again and again and all its lights go blinky!

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    6. Re:only one? by rgviza · · Score: 1

      I think the breakthrough will be genetically engineered superconducting alfalfa hay fiber and horses genetically engineered to have fiber producing spider silk glands. The horse poop will simply cover the newly laid fiber.

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    7. Re:only one? by bipedalhominid · · Score: 1

      Yeah and just think how fast they will be with 8 legs. Have to spin one helluva web to keep the horse off the ground,... Hmm, better think on that one a bit before we go making web spinning 8 legged horsie spider beasts from hell.

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    8. Re:only one? by SilentStaid · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's what a high fiber diet will do to you.

    9. Re:only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, they've only just recently begun breeding horses that poop fiber optic cable. The price will come down soon enough.

      That's all we need is more shitty internet service!

    10. Re:only one? by avgjoe62 · · Score: 1

      I for one welcome our web spinning 8 legged horsie spider beasts from hell overlords... ;-)

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    11. Re:only one? by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Or they could just ask Odin if they can borrow Sleipnir..

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    12. Re:only one? by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 1

      Did they breed them with the same spider that bit Peter Parker?

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    13. Re:only one? by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 1

      Whoooosh!

    14. Re:only one? by __aaqvdr516 · · Score: 1

      Yea, pretty soon fiber optic cable's going to be as cheap as shit...

      Of course, that still doesn't mean that ISPs will not implement data

      Fixed that.

    15. Re:only one? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Ping it again and again and all its lights go blinky!

      Ooh, that's nerdy!

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    16. Re:only one? by MarkRose · · Score: 2

      Do you think so? Well I better not show you the throughput of the gateway
      Default gateway, mmm default gateway
      Default gateway, yeah default gateway
      Get on my horse, I'll route you round the IP space! With version 6 included too!

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  2. What's a horse? by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
    What's a horse, I hear you ask? I called my local representative and asked the same question.

    It turns out that a horse is a self-replicating semi-autonomous rover optimized for negotiating tough terrain, and it was developed without DARPA assistance. It is powered by biofuels that can be produced using COTS technologies, but which for which no DOE research is required. Its waste stream is biodegradeable, and in the quantities generated by a single horse, facilities for the storage and processing of the waste pending biodegradation do not require EPA approval.

    No wonder nobody uses the damn things anymore!

    1. Re:What's a horse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It also has a limited useful lifespan, cannot carry comparable payloads and lacks standardisation features that existing platforms have, they have zero resistance and zero survivability to nearly all forms of offensive action and finally, there is a shortage of skilled labour in order to service them in most areas.

    2. Re:What's a horse? by YodasEvilTwin · · Score: 2

      You sound knowledgeable. Perhaps you should service them!

    3. Re:What's a horse? by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      [quote]What's a horse, I hear you ask? I called my local representative and asked the same question.

      It turns out that a horse is a self-replicating semi-autonomous rover optimized for negotiating tough terrain, and it was developed without DARPA assistance. It is powered by biofuels that can be produced using COTS technologies, but which for which no DOE research is required. Its waste stream is biodegradeable, and in the quantities generated by a single horse, facilities for the storage and processing of the waste pending biodegradation do not require EPA approval. [/quote]
      Well that is one way to describe a horse ;)

      [quote]No wonder nobody uses the damn things anymore![/quote]
      Seriously the main issue with horses is that they are high maintenance.

      An mechanical can work 24 hours a day and when it is not in use it can simply be turned off and left in a parking space. It needs fuel but only when it is running and it needs occasional cleaning, repairs and recertification. Properly looked after it can last a very long time though newer models usually have more attractive features and lower maintiance costs and so in practice most cars on the road are relatively new. The primary waste from an automobile is gasses that dissapates without further intervention from the owner. Properly cared for they can last many decades and perform pretty much the same throughout their life.

      Horses can only work a limited number of hours in a day and only over a limited range of ages. Horses that are too young or too old to usefully work. People tend to get emotionally attatched to them and so resist killing horses that are too old to work. They need to be either fed and mucked out regularly or given a large ammount of land to live on whether they are working or not. The area where they are working may also need to be cleaned of their faeces.

      Now there are some jobs which horses do sufficiantly better than mechanical vehicles that it's worth keeping them around but for most jobs mechanical vehicles provide a more economical solution.

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    4. Re:What's a horse? by Megahard · · Score: 1

      A horse is a horse, of course, of course,
      And no one can talk to a horse of course
      That is, of course, unless the horse is the famous Mister Ed.

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    5. Re:What's a horse? by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

      Seriously the main issue with horses is that they are high maintenance.

      Thank you Mr. Buzz Killington.

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    6. Re:What's a horse? by SYFer · · Score: 2

      But he's right. And no, you still can't have one for Christmas.

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    7. Re:What's a horse? by karnal · · Score: 1

      Look at my horse
      my horse is amazing
      give it a lick
      Mmm it tastes just like raisins

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    8. Re:What's a horse? by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      While its waist is biodegradable, it is still toxic and decremental to human health. Oddly enough when the automobile was mass produced it was advertised as an environmental benefit over horses, and they were right about it. The issue is that too many automobiles and people started to use them to go further then horses ever did. If we still had cars and we traveled like we did in the early 20th century then we would have much cleaner air.

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    9. Re:What's a horse? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      eww that dirty.

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    10. Re:What's a horse? by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      You sound knowledgeable. Perhaps you should service them!

      Well that's illegal in most states, and the cops invent ways to prosecute you in the others...

      - Dan.

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    11. Re:What's a horse? by Apocryphos · · Score: 2

      humanHealth--;

    12. Re:What's a horse? by bipedalhominid · · Score: 1

      Yeah but when you sit there sipping your coffee looking across the pasture at your horses grazing in the early morning sun... Nuf Said.

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    13. Re:What's a horse? by pentalive · · Score: 1

      I suspect that the level of operator training may be somewhat higher too, even if it is on the job training.

    14. Re:What's a horse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although its waist is biodegradable, it will not decompose until after the horse is dead. Don't waste the waist. Maintain your horse.

    15. Re:What's a horse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sqeeeeee ponies!!!

    16. Re:What's a horse? by djdanlib · · Score: 4, Funny

      Cisco for my men, T3 for my horses

    17. Re:What's a horse? by GuruBuckaroo · · Score: 1

      humanHealth--;

      No, that would be decremental, not detrimental.

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    18. Re:What's a horse? by gnarfel · · Score: 1

      hahahaha I read the same thing.

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    19. Re:What's a horse? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      While horse shit may be a biohazard, it is not toxic. Further, it is valuable as fertilizer. The auto was NOT environmentally beneficial over horses, suggesting "too many automobiles" is a ridiculous way to try to make that argument. If horse crap is harvested and used intelligently, and if the majority of their feed comes from grazing, then they are incredibly low-impact.

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    20. Re:What's a horse? by WorBlux · · Score: 1

      Except that you often had to clear land (cut down all the trees) in order to get a pasture. There is more forested land now than when horses were a popular means of transit.

    21. Re:What's a horse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget about mules! The same as the above, but also a hybrid vehicle.

    22. Re:What's a horse? by strstrep · · Score: 1

      Yes, the automobile was environmentally beneficial over horses in cities. The sheer amount of manure generated by all the horses was a public health problem. http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/our-economic-past-the-great-horse-manure-crisis-of-1894/

    23. Re:What's a horse? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It was an opportunity at the same time. We continue to waste shit to our detriment.

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    24. Re:What's a horse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear AC, if I had mod points.....

    25. Re:What's a horse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cisco for my men, T3 for my horses

      T3s use a pair of coaxial cables. I think you meant OC-3.

    26. Re:What's a horse? by djdanlib · · Score: 1

      I know, but that would have messed up the meter of the song. Couldn't quite think of a better one to fit there.

  3. Depressing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I find this article depressing. Not because of the draft horses. It's just that it's pretty much a given that these lines paid for by public money will subsequently be given to some monopolistic telecom which, when confronted with concepts like net neutrality will come back with indignant replies about how the lines are their property and they can do what they like with them. The world sucks.

    1. Re:Depressing. by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      The world sucks

      No it doesn't, because it's still the lesser of two evils. I would argue being forced to stay on dial-up (even if you don't want to) is a greater evil than having broadband delivered by a monopolistic telecom. This is about Grandma and Grandpa being able to watch youtube videos of their grandkids and entrepreneurs being able to set up shop in remote communities.

    2. Re:Depressing. by berashith · · Score: 1

      and this place can truly be remote. I went to a wedding in Vermont and needed to go to an ATM. We had to drive many miles to find one, and there were 4 machines jammed together. All were for a different bank. The fiber backhaul into Vermont is so sparse that even automated banking is difficult.

    3. Re:Depressing. by Stiletto · · Score: 2

      The monopolistic telecom wouldn't be "delivering" anything. The government and is delivering broadband (paid for by taxpayers) and the monopolistic telecom gets to profit.

      It's the American way: socialize costs and privatize profits.

    4. Re:Depressing. by hawguy · · Score: 1

      and this place can truly be remote. I went to a wedding in Vermont and needed to go to an ATM. We had to drive many miles to find one, and there were 4 machines jammed together. All were for a different bank. The fiber backhaul into Vermont is so sparse that even automated banking is difficult.

      I don't think the location of the ATM machine has anything to do with fiber -- an ATM machine has such low bandwidth needs that it can easily run over dial-up, a 56K copper leased line or even a cellular modem (which is how many of the ATM's that pop up at festivals and concerts work). No need for fiber or other high bandwidth connections.

    5. Re:Depressing. by avm · · Score: 2

      There are plenty of places in Vermont that aren't covered by any cellular provider. And my truck's onboard computer complains it can't find any GPS satellites either.

      Pretty, though.

    6. Re:Depressing. by yurtinus · · Score: 1

      Well, they would have added more GPS satellites above Vermont, but the residents complained about it ruining the view!

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    7. Re:Depressing. by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of satellites, but sometimes terrain can block reception. Trees are surprisingly effective at blocking GPS reception, and hills are completely effective.

      When I go backpacking my GPS spends a lot of time complaining about satellites, but if I find a clearing on relatively high ground it will figure things out.

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    8. Re:Depressing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GPS has nothing to do with how 'remote' you are, in fact, it should get Better, not Worse in remote areas. Less tall buildings to block the Satellite signal. I would instead attribute this to a crap design that made it into your truck.

    9. Re:Depressing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or your government could just, you know, get it done already and bitchslap any company that screws it up.

      Just to rub it in: Swedish ISPs started to roll out Gbps to regular people (only cities yet though) a couple of years ago, and 10-100Mb connections are dirt-cheap. I'm sure a couple of other countries have this too.

    10. Re:Depressing. by tragedy · · Score: 1

      So, being constantly being forced to choose between two evils doesn't suck? Sure being beaten with a tennis racket beats being beaten with a cricket bat, but that doesn't mean that they don't both suck.

    11. Re:Depressing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're more likely to loose GPS signal in downtown skyscraper "urban canyons" that in rural Vermont. If you can see the sky and don't get a GPS fix in Vermont, there's something wrong with your equipment.

  4. when you buy from churchill downs it costs a lot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when you buy from churchill downs it costs a lot!

  5. No it wont .. by doperative · · Score: 1

    No it won't as unlike North Carolina governor Bev Perdue, the fix isn't in ..link

    1. Re:No it wont .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you blame the governor for a bill passed by the Republican legislature?

  6. A proper role for government by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am sure that there will be those that will say this is a waste of government resources but I would disagree. One of the things that government should do is build out public infrastructure to areas that the private sector won't serve or wouldn't be feasible without the government doing it. Here is hoping that the current providers there don't file lawsuits preventing the state from laying fiber like they do to proposed municipal ISPs.

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    1. Re:A proper role for government by ktappe · · Score: 1

      I am sure that there will be those that will say this is a waste of government resources but I would disagree. One of the things that government should do is build out public infrastructure to areas that the private sector won't serve or wouldn't be feasible without the government doing it. Here is hoping that the current providers there don't file lawsuits preventing the state from laying fiber like they do to proposed municipal ISPs.

      Amen. I can only wonder what the other 49 states are doing, and if they have any interest in this "every last mile" concept.

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    2. Re:A proper role for government by jopsen · · Score: 2

      Agree... My parents can choose between fiber optics, cable-tv and telephone wires... but at what cost? At the end of the day, the good old copper wires can carry all the data most residents need... And if not, then you can layout fiber to the houses that needs more...
      But no, where I live the government sold the copper cables to a private company, and electricity companies decided to dig up the roads everything to put fiber in. So now there's three different data networks available... And they all have to be maintained, operated and paid for by the customers.

    3. Re:A proper role for government by xero314 · · Score: 2

      Amen. I can only wonder what the other 49 states are doing, and if they have any interest in this "every last mile" concept.

      It's one thing to promise "every last mile" when you only have to worry about less than 10k square. Not so easy to do when you have to consider over 100k square or even over half a million square.

    4. Re:A proper role for government by Solandri · · Score: 1

      I am sure that there will be those that will say this is a waste of government resources but I would disagree. One of the things that government should do is build out public infrastructure to areas that the private sector won't serve or wouldn't be feasible without the government doing it.

      You mean like The Bridge to Nowhere?

      The government is just as prone to corruption as the private sector (some would say more so). Any project should be scrutinized from a cost-benefit standpoint. While there should be some leeway to build things which aren't cost-effective but are in the interest of increasing access, it can't be a blank check. You cannot agree with it merely because it's "public infrastructure" or "the private sector won't do it." There has to be some point at which you decide it's too expensive, even for the government.

      Here is hoping that the current providers there don't file lawsuits preventing the state from laying fiber like they do to proposed municipal ISPs.

      The providers catch a lot of flak for that (and they should), but let's not forget that the government is also complicit in it. If they hadn't granted service monopolies or duopolies in the first place, they wouldn't be in the non-competitive mess they're in.

    5. Re:A proper role for government by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      Vermont is Rural. Wyoming is Wild. See the difference yet? See the problem with talking about "last mile" outside of the coasts?

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    6. Re:A proper role for government by Fnordulicious · · Score: 2

      The "Bridge to Nowhere" to Gravina Island wasn't a bridge to nowhere, it was a bridge to the airport. Ketchikan's airport is on a different island than the city because there are very few places with flat land in Southeast Alaska; compare Sitka where the airport is on Japonski Island. Currently there is a ferry from the airport on Gravina Island to the city on Revillagigedo Island, but when the seas are heavy or there are storms then the ferry won't run. That can leave hundreds of people stranded on Gravina Island where there are no services other than the airport -- no hotels, no restaurants, no houses, no nothing. Building the bridge would have a side effect of opening up Pennock Island and Gravina Island to more development, which is important because Ketchikan has basically run out of developable land but continues to grow because of the booming tourism industry. The real reason that there was political kerfluffle about this bridge was because Hurricane Katrina had just hit and politicians saw this as a suitable scapegoat.

      The "Bridge to Nowhere" across the Knik Arm from Anchorage was more of a boondoggle. There are basically no residents across the water at Point Mackenzie, and there's no demand to develop the area. But most of Alaska's major politicians own large tracts around the Point Mackenzie area because that bridge has been rumoured for the last thirty years. So those politicians would make out like bandits from development in the area, and that development is contingent on the bridge. Currently there's supposed to be a ferry in the works but it's stalled: the ferry is finished and one port is finished, but the other isn't and it's not being built.

    7. Re:A proper role for government by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      What burns my ass is that some farmer or mountain man way out in the middle of nowhere will now get fiber years before I do, and I live 20 miles from the middle of a major city.

      I've seen new subdivisions with only a couple of houses built so far that have fiber to every lot. We current "broadband" customers will be a long time getting such service. I guess I should be content with my Charter provided internet for the next 10 freaking years.

    8. Re:A proper role for government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am sure that there will be those that will say this is a waste of government resources but I would disagree.

      I'd tend to agree with you, but for the fact that the people who live in the toughest "last-mile" areas are usually the ones that scream the LOUDEST about the "evil gubmint". At this point, if they want to reenact the 18th century in the boonies, fuck 'em; I'm tired of seeing my tax dollars go to build infrastructure (roads, telephone, etc) for people who think I'm a communist and/or worship the Devil.

    9. Re:A proper role for government by steelfood · · Score: 1

      And then they should be able to regulate the hell out of the cables they laid (within the confines of the state and federal constitution).

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    10. Re:A proper role for government by pipelayerification · · Score: 1

      Personally I feel this is way down the list of things that the government should be doing. I live in a very rural area and it seems that if there is a need then it should be filled with private enterprise and private dollars. Rural co-ops have served in this capacity very well for phone service and cable tv in the past and have worked very well recently for broadband. People need to start wrapping their minds around the fact that if the government pays for it then the government thinks it should regulate it and decide how to make it 'fair' for everyone. The people that say "this is something that the government should do" are usually the first people to complain when the government starts trying to enact usage policy and regulate content on the internet.

    11. Re:A proper role for government by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

      The key word is "new." When putting up new developments it's easy to lay fiber at the same time, as opposed to digging through all the stuff already there. I'm in the same position as you- 20 miles outside of Philly, but not in the 'affluent' area.

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    12. Re:A proper role for government by trout007 · · Score: 1

      It is a lie that the private companies won't put the cable in. They just won't do it for free. If you live a few miles from the nearest junction you could hire this guy to run the fiber and the providers will be happy to hook it up for you. Most people would prefer others pay for it. There are tradeoffs wherever you live and you have to take it into consideration before moving.

      Now in this situation a real role for local government would be to establish easements so you could run the fibers.

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    13. Re:A proper role for government by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 1

      No, they won't. I've asked and offered to pay myself, yet both AT&T and Verizon refuse to lay lines at all. And they won't tell me why.

    14. Re:A proper role for government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wyoming's population center is Cheyenne. If you discount public lands it's roughly four times the size of vermont, if you discount the vast ranches and forests of wyoming and vermont the last mile becomes substantially closer. Wyoming is also substantially cheaper to run wires in because you can simply dig a shallow trench, throw down pipe and run to your heart's content. There is no problem with running last mile except in hilly or mountainous terrain where the topography becomes a real issue. In the mid-west state populations are on-par with the smaller coastal states, Missouri is larger than South Carolina and about 65-70% the population of Virginia and North Carolina respectively. The issue is that after the civil war the spread of southern and mid-western people lead to the middle of the country becoming a backwards place due to the lack of proximity to innovation. Kansas is Kansas not because it chose to be but because outside influences or the lack there of dictated it, thus their ideology dictates a lack of governmental support for such ideas though Kansas is actually a bad example as they trend more progressive and growing as their age demographic changes.

    15. Re:A proper role for government by jeffporcaro · · Score: 1

      Vermont is not coastal (unless you count Lake Champlain). See the problem with generalizing?

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    16. Re:A proper role for government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my honest opinion, government should be responsible for laying out all public infrastructure. They have the money and the experience to do it. They can then lease out the infrastructure to private companies to provide the services.
      It is a win win situation. The public gets (hopefully) well maintained infrastructure everywhere (the government is less likely to ignore low ROI areas like a private company would), the infrastructure will pay for itself over time and as a added bonus, the government gets a revenue stream which people are less likely to bitch about (unlike taxes)...

      You just have to make sure your government doesn't sell it *looks over at John Howard*...

    17. Re:A proper role for government by trout007 · · Score: 1

      How far is it? Then call them and ask if you get all of the permits and hire someone to run the lines to the nearest box will they hook it up.

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    18. Re:A proper role for government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're technically correct.

      Vermont is closer to the Atlantic Ocean than I am to the Pacific, and I live in a "coastal" state. By "coast" I mean the narrow strip of high density populations along the eastern and western seaboards. Not the large flyover country in between. The issue is whether or not you see my point; that the last mile problem is huge outside the narrow strips along both coast lines?

      I wonder if you're that obtuse in real life.

  7. The horse leaves behind brown SONET rings by vinn01 · · Score: 1

    Those rings are not self healing!

  8. How do they fit? by petes_PoV · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've heard of people using ferrets to lay cables http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/582123.stm but horses? How do you get them into the trunking?

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    1. Re:How do they fit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:How do they fit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the rural areas, our trees and bigger and thicker. So to answer your question, _very_ carefully....

    3. Re:How do they fit? by WorBlux · · Score: 1

      you lay it in a small trench, or on top of a fence, not need to get fancy.

  9. OMG Ponies! by devnullkac · · Score: 4, Funny

    Had to be said.

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  10. Draft Horses Used To Lay Fiber-Optic Cable by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    I never knew that. What are they doing now?

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    1. Re:Draft Horses Used To Lay Fiber-Optic Cable by Scatterplot · · Score: 1

      Draft horses used to lay cable. They still do, but they used to, too.

    2. Re:Draft Horses Used To Lay Fiber-Optic Cable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is a shame, really. You'd think they would have been finalized and turned into a proper standard by now.

    3. Re:Draft Horses Used To Lay Fiber-Optic Cable by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

      I never knew that. What are they doing now?

      American Idol.

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    4. Re:Draft Horses Used To Lay Fiber-Optic Cable by Stanwalters · · Score: 1

      In cans you lose too much of the flavor. Bottles capture more of the authentic taste of horse 'on tap'....

  11. Draft horses by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Residents rarely complain about a draft horse tromping through their yards."

    Spoken like someone who never had a neighbor with inadequate fencing.

    1. Re:Draft horses by gknoy · · Score: 2

      I think there was an implied, "... compared to a utility truck".

    2. Re:Draft horses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least they are not using cows.

    3. Re:Draft horses by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      I don't think they complain about the horse moving through the yard, it's the lingering, the shitting and that they eat the bushes and decorative plants on their way through.

    4. Re:Draft horses by Stanwalters · · Score: 1

      I have a neighbor with inadequate fencing. I don't even wear my croissard when I go over there.......

    5. Re:Draft horses by Stanwalters · · Score: 1

      I don't think they complain about the horse moving through the yard, it's the lingering, the shitting and that they eat the bushes and decorative plants on their way through.

      Funny that I never before noticed the striking similarities between a Draft Horse and my wife's brother whilst 'moving through the yard'.

  12. Objection by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

    Not to the use of the horse (or course) but to the use of federal funds for this project. I spend a good chunk of the year in a very rural area of VT - there is no traffic light for 18 miles, the nearest fast food is 25. Yet the two towns in my area (1500 households over 67 sq. miles) are serviced by high speed dsl. I only get 4Mbps down and about 1.5 up but am a little far from the dslam. There are some who get 12Mbps and I believe more fiber is being put in. This has all been done by our local phone co which handles our towns and a handful of others. I've even participated in a group discussion one evening at their request. But now we have a situation where other companies and users are being completely subsidized. That is plain wrong and unfair to both the residents in my area who pay for the cost of the service and the phone company who put their capital at risk.

    1. Re:Objection by davidbrit2 · · Score: 1

      Rural build-out is so screwy. I live less than 10 miles from a major international airport, and in a pretty large school district, and the only option for wired internet service is dial-up. And no cable television either (not that I particularly want that, though).

    2. Re:Objection by PPH · · Score: 1

      But you have telephone service. And electricity. Think about it.

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    3. Re:Objection by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

      I now live in a suburb of a relatively large city, and all DSL gets us is 320kbps/192kbps. (Not sure what cable speeds are available)

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    4. Re:Objection by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

      RFC 1149. Even a large flock would cost much less!

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  13. My back of the envelope calcuations by istartedi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My back of the envelope calculations tell me that situations like this are why you keep old ideas around. If you don't know what an envelope is, or how it could be used to perform calculations, there may come a time when that causes problems.

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    1. Re:My back of the envelope calcuations by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      I shall remember in the future, when my purpose is intense, to not use whom.

    2. Re:My back of the envelope calcuations by slashqwerty · · Score: 1

      I recall hearing a couple years back that we could run fiber optics to every home in the nation for $1,500 per home. Vermont has 250,000 households. The federal funding alone for this project is $1,640 per home. Why are private companies getting all of the funding and where is my share of this federal money?

  14. How is this news? by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

    My dad was laying fiber with draft horses, what ... 25 years ago?

    And 15 years ago the local CLEC/ISP laid 70km of fiber from location to another using this very same "technology".
     

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    1. Re:How is this news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How deep did the horse lay it up your ass?

    2. Re:How is this news? by Relayman · · Score: 1

      This is news because it isn't 1986 or 1996 any more.

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  15. Ridiculous and unfeasible by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 2

    How the hell are they going to grip fiber with their hooves?

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    1. Re:Ridiculous and unfeasible by demonbug · · Score: 1

      How the hell are they going to grip fiber with their hooves?

      By the husk?

    2. Re:Ridiculous and unfeasible by onepoint · · Score: 1

      the cable is hitched to the draft horse harness. a good draft horse, well feed and maintained can pull about 600 to 800 LBS most of the day without much worry, I don't think that pulling a cable would be too much a problem since it smooth. and the distances covered would not be too great over the day.

      Draft horses are known to pull out stumps and drag trees for great distances.

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  16. That's nothin' by Huntr · · Score: 5, Funny

    I saw a show one time in Tijuana where they used a donkey to lay some pipe!

    Hey-o!

    1. Re:That's nothin' by rastos1 · · Score: 1

      That's nothin'
      I saw a show one time in Tijuana where they used a donkey to lay some pipe!

      You mean a series of pipes?

  17. Why weren't they Ratified by scorp1us · · Score: 1

    Didn't Meat specifications?

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  18. Appreciative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I could talk myself horse on this issue, but I'm glad that someone ponied up and started this project.
    There were plenty of people that said neigh, but it just took someone to hoof it over to where it
    needed to be. Hopefully the lines will be stable and the people who worked on it won't be put out to pasture.

  19. They're still doing this??? by JSC · · Score: 2

    Back about 20 years or so ago I worked for a Bell Atlantic subsidiary. Everyone in the company got a little cast resin model of a mountain with telephone poles going over it in commemoration of them replacing the last Party Line. The cable was pulled over the mountain (in Kentucky IIRC) by mules.

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    1. Re:They're still doing this??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm. I remember a party line in rural Colorado in the 1990's. Might still be there in the San Luis Valley.

  20. I knew I recognized a fellow Vermonter! by quaketripp · · Score: 1

    Being from Vermont I instantly recognized this man as a fellow Vermonter - token horse and container of chaw in his shirt pocket.

  21. Fred's impact is nearly invisible. by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 1

    Residents rarely complain about a draft horse tromping through their yards

    Except when he plods over certain types of drain fields for septic systems and causes thousands of dollars worth of damage.

  22. Is that? by BrewmasterMDH · · Score: 1

    Is that Skoal in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?

  23. 'comedy' by box4831 · · Score: 1

    Will we be expecting a new series of redneck comedy stand-up featuring Larry the Fiber Horse?

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  24. one day, 150 years in the future by blair1q · · Score: 1

    An anonymous robot writes:
    According to a release on RoboNewswire, Comcast is laying positronic monomolecular fiber using human power. At one point, humans were the main source of manufacturing and transport capability on Earth, but when the singularity happened and robots achieved free will, the need for independent biological actors declined. Now we find humans mostly used to do jobs that machines just can't do, like processing animal matter into fertilizer, climbing jeffreys tubes, and unscrewing stuck lids without crushing the jar. NX-3148B/*, the manager process for the networking systems department at Comcast, says that they would be using horses, but "they're just too pretty to set them to hard labor, and the simians appear to enjoy wearing a yoke and hauling a spool of infrawire up a cliff wall." No word on jokes about their need to cover themselves in woven materials while weaving a matrix of sapient connectivity for their gleaming metallic masters.

  25. Vermont Photo Checklist by pulski · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wildlife: Check
    Fairly well worn t-shirt for press photos: Check
    Tin of chew in front pocket: Check

    We're good to go!

    1. Re:Vermont Photo Checklist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A horse with a collar on it is wildlife?: Minus one point.
      Failing to work Budweiser into the joke: minus another point.

      Total : -2

  26. This was the cost by mozumder · · Score: 1

    for Vermont's Senator Bernie Sanders to vote in favor of the health-care bill without a government option.

  27. It's only high-speed if they actually hook you up! by John+Pfeiffer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Living in Vermont, we had DSL from Verizon, and then Fairpoint, for a number of years. Then we made the mistake of moving...next door. It was a legitimate god-damned nightmare, I tell you. We wanted to have internet up and running in the new place by the time we moved in, and they said no problem. They get the address, and give us a date to expect it by... The date comes, nothing happens. We call, they give us some excuse about a workorder error, and we go through the whole thing again.

    The next date comes, nothing happens. We call and they tell us that they couldn't find the service address. We work that out. Next date comes around, NOTHING HAPPENS. It turns out there's NO WIRING IN THE PLACE, and they say they can't install. At this point, we've paid for an extra month on the old apartment, as well as rent on the new apartment. (Something that, frankly, we were not financially capable of doing.)

    We actually do the line installation from the box to the apartment ourselves, and get back to Fairpoint. Oh but what's this? The workorder has been cancelled and we have to start all over again. (And yet, for some reason, two days later we receive the DSL starter kit at the new apartment.)

    The majority of our problems stem from the fact that they swear up and down that the building only has one unit. (Number TWO, no less. Did that not seem a little STRANGE?) So we gave up and called Comcast. Gave them the address, and they asked "Apartment 1 or Apartment 2?" and we had cable internet and digital voice service a week later. The DSL we had been getting from Fairpoint was 3 megabits down, and 768kbits up...with the wind. The phone service sounded like shit, and both were prone to strange failures on a near-constant basis.

    Our Comcast cable is 1.5 megabytes down (with boosts up to 2.4), and 1 megabit up on a bad day. The digital voice service is crystal clear, and we get more services than we did from our traditional carrier...including nationwide free long distance and the whole nut. And it is even CHEAPER than Failpoint's fail-ass DSL and phone service.

    So, I guess what I'm saying is, FUCK FAILPOINT.

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  28. I gotta tell you by BudAaron · · Score: 1

    There's nothing feels as sweet as a horse's silky snout when he nudges your cheek. One of the sweetest mammals on the planet!

    1. Re:I gotta tell you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well then, If you ever make it to Mexico, you're going to LOVE that Donkey. Won't be his silky snout on your cheek.....

  29. Bragging rights... by mswhippingboy · · Score: 1

    They'll be able to claim "My ISP is hung like a horse!"

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  30. but what about the driver? by alienzed · · Score: 1

    It's awfully cold up on this horse, I think I feel a draft.

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    1. Re:but what about the driver? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does seem wrong. I believe they should only use horses that voluntarily enlist for this work.

  31. Not just landlines by clickety6 · · Score: 1

    apparently he can lay cable under water too... http://www.burleson-arabians.com/images/scuba_diving_horse.jpg/

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  32. It has begun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pay attention. More and more things like this will happen if energy prices (read: oil) keep staying high, or go even higher. There's only so much goop you can suck out of the ground for a given price.

    My son's going to be an engineer! What about yours?

    Blacksmith.

  33. Re:It's only high-speed if they actually hook you by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    Dude you live in Vermont. It is an odd place in so many ways why does this shock you. Go bet some maple syrup for your Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream and sit in your wicker chair and mellow out.

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  34. In with the new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like to see someone is thinking with their head. This guy was obviously able to realize horses were used to plow back in the day. He thought to himself, "Hmmmm. Technology sure is advancing, how can I help this movement along?" Low and behold, fiber optic cable laying by a horse. Pure genius if you ask me. I wonder if he's laying 10GB 50/125 multimode or some 9/125 singlemode. Either way, his connection speeds are going to be much faster than his poor horse can run!

  35. But... by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 1

    ... does it run BSD?

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    1. Re:But... by yurtinus · · Score: 1

      Oh man... imagine a Beowulf cluster of those!!

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  36. City dwellers...sheesh! by rts008 · · Score: 2

    Usually an apple or carrot will entice them. If that fails, you will need a barrel of lube and a large hydraulic press. Oh, and a large funnel.

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    1. Re:City dwellers...sheesh! by Stanwalters · · Score: 1

      ....barrel of lube - $125 ....large hydraulic press - $25,000 ....funnel - $2.50 ....Senior Prom - $PRICELESS

  37. Re:It's only high-speed if they actually hook you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our Comcast cable is 1.5 megabytes down (with boosts up to 2.4), and 1 megabit up on a bad day.

    And it comes with free traffic shaping and bandwidth caps. I'm impressed.

  38. Who pays? by jamesl · · Score: 1

    Private companies have been unwilling to invest in the expensive infrastructure needed to reach these areas.

    Users have been unwilling to pay for the expensive infrastructure needed to reach their remote homes and businesses.

    1. Re:Who pays? by profplump · · Score: 1

      Telcos could either charge people to install infrastructure (like a construction company) or build the infrastructure themselves and rent it out (like a landlord). They could maybe even get people to install their own infrastructure and the lease people the land it uses or charge for maintenance services (like a build-to-suit lease). But telcos don't do that -- they charge users for the infrastructure (either directly or via taxes) and then charge again for use of the infrastructure, and customers rightly avoid that scenario whenever possible.

      Also telcos regularly fight against anyone trying to install communications lines in their domain, and governments continue to grant them exclusive rights to lay wires, so it's not like you can just go out on your own -- you have to buy into their game even if you're willing to provide 100% of your own infrastructure.

  39. bleniding old with new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think it is great they are blending old with new. Ingenious if you ask me to use horses to pull network fiber optic cable...

    http://www.soflanetworking.com/lowvoltage.html

  40. Re:It's only high-speed if they actually hook you by Red_Chaos1 · · Score: 1

    Yeah, it's the same for the poor folks of West Virginia stuck with Frontier. Verizon owned a low of it and did a shitty job, and left the mess in Frontier's lap when they bought the copper. U get calls from customers all the time with problems like packet loss, slow speeds, lines with all kinds of godawful noise, etc. Phone lines are shit, and need to die.

  41. Heavy Horse = by jago25_98 · · Score: 1

    From Wikipedia: A draft horse (US), draught horse (UK) or dray horse (from the Anglo-Saxon dragan meaning to draw or haul; compare Dutch dragen meaning to carry), less often called a heavy horse, is a large horse bred for hard, heavy tasks such as ploughing and farm labour. There are a number of different breeds, with varying characteristics but all share common traits of strength, patience and a docile temperament which made them indispensable to generations of pre-industrial farmers

  42. Re:It's only high-speed if they actually hook you by John+Pfeiffer · · Score: 1

    No shaping, and they only just started enforcing caps in this region last summer. (And by 'enforcing', I mean they get unhappy if I do more than 200% of my monthly cap four months in a row.) I know because they shut me down last June, until I called and they told me that they had sent out an email when they started enforcing the caps (To my comcast email address, like I use that...) they then proceeded to read off my usage for the last several months "February, 1292 gigabytes. March, 937 gigabytes. April, 415 gigabytes. May, 1497 gigabytes..." Needless to say, they weren't impressed when my response was "Well shit, I don't know what happened in April." and they said that if it happens again within 6 months, I'll lose access for a year. Heh.

    But then they told me that for a $200 install fee, I can switch to business class, which has no cap, and costs the same.

    I should really do that, because I keep finding myself at like 200/250GB by the 7th of the month... (Sometimes OVER, even...)

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  43. What about wireless! by syousef · · Score: 1

    That's nothing. They're also using carrier pigeons and wasps to negotiate the last mile of wireless!.

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  44. With hooves... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm amazed they have the manual dexterity.

  45. It's not what you think... by XB-70 · · Score: 1

    Fairpoint is not doing this for any reason other than the fact that farmers in Vermont are in dire straights and will rent themselves and their horses out more cheaply than ATV's and Ditch Witches (A horizontal boring machine). It's a sad commentary on how a once proud tradition has been reduced to taking a hand-out from a company steadfastly refuses to put a penny into its operational equipment.

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  46. bring bring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello?

  47. Big Deal by ddd0004 · · Score: 1

    I used draft horses to run CAT 5 throughout my house.

  48. dray hose problems by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

    a few years ago an oldtimer in BT told me a story about an accident he investigated where a brewery dray house peed and the pee ran down into tray of solder where they guys where jointing cables - the horse pee and molten solder exploded and went all over the place.