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TSA Has 95-Year-Old Remove Her Diaper For Screening
wjcofkc writes "The Transportation Security Administration stood by its security officers Sunday after a Florida woman complained that her cancer-stricken, 95-year-old mother was patted down and forced to remove her adult diaper while going through security. 'While every person and item must be screened before entering the secure boarding area, TSA works with passengers to resolve security alarms in a respectful and sensitive manner,' the federal agency said. 'We have reviewed the circumstances involving this screening and determined that our officers acted professionally and according to proper procedure.'"
Clearly she fits the terrorist criminal profile.
At least they didn't break a colostomy bag seal.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/politics/TSA_chief_apologizes_to_traveler_with_ostomy-109990494.html
Stop assaulting children and the elderly.
She was smuggling biological agents onto the plane and had to be stopped. She should be HAPPY she didn't get shot on the spot.
Guess the TSA agents hadn't had their fix of granny porn that day.
I love how the TSA says that they reviewed the case and gave a pass to their own people. IMHO, there needs to be an independent review board for bullsh*t like this. That aside, I think the woman should have put a plastic turd in there just to piss them off (you know, because a real one would be gross).
...from who are the TSA protecting me when they scan me or pat me down?
According to some sources, they didn't find no shit
Life isn't like a box of chocolates. It's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your ass tomorrow.
..until morale improves.
(or, did I get that quote wrong?)
...that it was a dirty bomb! har har
Other sources say they found some shit
Life isn't like a box of chocolates. It's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your ass tomorrow.
Sensitive? What a load of shit.
America has lost its self-confidence, the fuzzy wuzzies are throwing off the shackles of American hegemony. America doesn't make anything and the rest of the world has caught up with design. Banks rule Americas ass and jobsworths are multiplying like fleas on a dog. A third of its population live in poverty while it bombs an African country with the highest living standard in the region back to the stone age.
Stick a fork in America's ass cuz its done.
Perhaps they thought she would fling poo as a weapon?
I'm certainly glad I got an education... I wouldn't like to handle adult diapers for a living.
OK, where can we contact you to make an appointment?
Perhaps we need a new amendment, let's call it "the 4th amendment", that gives us a right to privacy of our persons and belongings. I mean, with a sealed airplane cabin, you're better off bombing a subway if you're going for death toll -- I fail to see a need for this behavior.
Yourself, before you get any 'strange' ideas in your head about living in a civilized nation of liberty.
I think the TSA went way overboard here, but your question is fscking retarded. You may remember a certain Tuesday morning when domestic flights were re-routed by passengers with malicious intent.
Nobody respects you, and everybody is sick of your race to the bottom.
You arent the greatest ANYTHING. Not even close. Do yourself a favor, drop the jingos, and pull your heads out of your assholes.
..than the criminal act of these cowards towards this woman, are the comments responding to the CNN.com article in support of the TSA. Are you americans REALLY that stupid? "The Terrorists (TM)" might use a grandmother as a potential suicide bomber?
LOL to a chiropractor? Are you fucking kidding me? Take them to a MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL like a DOCTOR not a fucking quack. Seriously, those last 2 sentences have got to be a troll. Dumbfuck chiropractors think they can treat everything when they're the cause of more injuries than they could even pretend to fix.
"Doctor" Bob prescribes another round of Whoosh! as the first one was not effective.
...in a granny's diaper. What the hell do you THINK that is?!
That's what I would have done.
According to them, these processes are preventative measures to keep somebody from smuggling a weapon onto the plane, thereby allegedly protecting *all* of the passengers, even though you are definitely correct in pointing out that what is done to any given individual does not protect them at all, personally... the TSA's response would likely be that putting you personally through such processes protects others... and putting others through it, in turn, protects you individually.
Of course, the above should not be construed in any way that I think these measures are a good thing... only that I can see their point of view - even if it does come from something that, IMO, qualifies as outright paranoia.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
If you make exceptions to the rule those will be the ways the bomb is smuggled through. Whether it be a woman in a burka, an old lady wearing a diaper, a conservative looking chap in a pin striped suit, a Sikh in a turban, a pregnant lady or mother with a push chair.
I have no idea whether screening serves a useful purpose (I suspect it does deter terrorist acts but anyway...) but if you are going to have screening everyone has to expect to be pulled out of the queue and searched regardless of who they are.
All you dopey liberal armchair fools with a guilt chip on your shoulder would be the first to be out protesting if the security staff actually did let a bomber through without screening.
Yep, and thanks to them, they got to pull off a one time only ever event. Plane hijackings stopped becoming a legitimate terrorist tool as soon as the first tower was hit. (Who came out of 9/11 as the biggest heroes? United 93.)
The fact is terrorists are NOT stupid. They know they can't pull this off again, but they're having a hell of a time laughing at us pissing ourselves to soaking levels every time someone drops a penny at a security line.
Your pussy nature has let them win, exactly what you think you're trying to prevent.
It'd be funny if it wasn't so damn depressing.
That this would happen to this invidual, that clearly isn't a terrorist, is unfortunate.
But, elderly people in general do fit the profile of a terrorist on the following main points:
a) They are likely to have reconciled with death.
b) They are often disgruntled with society.
c) They have a lot of spare time on their hands and are therefore more likely to stumble into Islamic forums on the Internet and become converted.
"Roigl" is probably the acronym.
All you pathetic fools who have allowed yourselves to be brainwashed
by the government deserve exactly what you get.
Now drop your pants, and bend over and cough.
Yeah, Dr. Bob. But don't worry, this MD will be waiting for you at the ER when you get REALLY sick. And I'll be sure to prescribe lots of "big pharma" poisons for you. Staying in a hospital bed for a long time kinda sucks though and you will probably get a back-ache, so after your stay with us you're welcome to visit one of your spine-cracker buddies.
Don't diss bees. They work very hard and then we steal their honey. Also, they don't sting unless they are in mortal peril, or if their hive is threatened. Bees are very docile. Appreciate them, they deserve it.
Obligatory car analogy: people die in car crashes every day. Most of them could have easily been avoided. We don't try to do that, because we feel we have the right to behave how we want in our car. Freedom and all that. Drunk drivers think it is ok to drive when intoxicated, even if they are told it has a higher risk. We still use our mobile phone in the car, even if study after study proves it is rather dangerous. Some cars aren't really fit to be on the road, but does that stop us?
But somehow we feel we should have our genitals groped on the off chance there might be a non-savoury passenger aboard. Even when the drive to the airport is several orders of magnitude more dangerous.
We are a stupid lot, really.
Everyone who thinks this is absurd has implicitly argued that profiling -- racial, gender, and otherwise -- works.
"Sorrow is better than laughter, for by sadness of face the heart is made glad." [Ecclesiastes 7:3]
From yourself, of course. Imagine how chaotic it would be if everyone suddenly claimed their dignity!
Palm trees and 8
Where they teach them to lie with a straight face when they say that they have reviewed the incident and found it to be according to their rigid standards...
"We ain't found shit"
The fact that 3000 people were killed on 9/11, ten years ago is not justification for every single action which has the label "anti-terrorism" attached to it.
In the US around 35,000 people are killed every single year as a result of road fatalities. If the same paranoia were applied to this much larger figure, speed limits would be e.g. radically cut and there would be mandatory alcohol and drugs testing before each road journey.
There's a balance to be made between risk and liberty/inconvenience. And the one that is currently being made in air transport security is ridiculous.
but the probability of a dirty bomb is huge!!
There should be a stretchable fabric duffle bag that lays flat until you stretch it around whatever your carrying. If you unzip it, then it snaps back to flat. And then people should check them with large numbers of marbles inside. Inspect luggage, fill room with marbles. woo!
This is what happens when America elects morons to do their thinking for them. Americans need to start thinking for themselves instead of pushing the job off on others. I saw a bumper sticker the other day, "America: Now outsourcing thinking!"
Is there any way you can refuse him treatment based on his beliefs and allow him to try to treat himself with his own bullshit?
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Eventually you take the small chance of death to avoid having an elderly woman have to remove her only diaper, americans are cowardly people taking their own safety to absurd levels. Goes right along with bankrupting yourself to fight a "war".
America is on my No-Fly List, and has been for a good long while.
I can simulate the air travel experience in my own room by pushing my desk chair all the way up to my desk, putting a couple of boxes in front of my legs, and watching DVDs from 8 years ago on repeat. For that added authentic experience, i'll invite two fat sweaty nerds to sit either side of me and flick peanuts at each other. The icing on the cake really is the 45 year old balding rent-a-cop sexually assaulting me at my bedroom door.
Seriously. Never going to America again.
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The rest of the civilized world has dealt with and knows how to deal with terrorism and terrorist threats. The only country that doesn't know how is the US. The TSA is a real fascist organization, its amazing to see just how subservient the american populace has become. You know all those dystopian futures you'd see in hollywood AB serie movies ? Well thats the US for you. Good thing I visited the US when it was still the country of the free and they welcomed foreign tourists.
I'd just post this (preface to the novel Patriot Games) because it exemplifies everything thats gone wrong in the last decade in the US of A :
Behind all the political rhetoric being hurled at us from abroad, we are bringing home one unassailable fact -- [terrorism is] a crime by any civilized standard, committed against innocent people, away from the scene of political conflict, and must be dealt with as a crime... ...
In our recognition of the nature of terrorism as a crime lies our best hope of dealing with it.
Let us use the tools that we have. Let use invoke the cooperation we have the right to expect around the world, and with that cooperation let us shrink the dark and dank areas of sanctuary until these cowardly marauders are held to answer as criminals in an open and public trial for the crimes they have committed, and receive the punishment they so richly deserve.
-- WILLIAM H. WEBSTER, Director,
Federal Bureau of Investigation,
October 15, 1985
with your moronic logic, it would be easy to justify slavery, as long as two parties consented to it.
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Can stink. While the War on Drugs (patent pending) is being comically questioned in Congress, the TSA has always, and continues, to countenance its spirit as 'terror'. Drug interdiction is the concern and naked ambition pursued by "securing" airports with the Patriot Act. Termed "controversial invocations" by Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_invocations_of_the_USA_PATRIOT_Act What this incident revealed is an established "thinking" of TSA agents, akin to police popularizing incidents of mothers hiding crack in a baby's diaper, and that no one is above suspicion. And extreme acts are how agents of power assert policy. Should there be a "rule"? In what regard? Ages 55-100? People in a wheel-chair? This action is a form of active propaganda-- because if we can all condemn this action as too extreme, actions upon everybody else is all the more normalized.
Would were! Should is! Could be! And live a hundred times three.
Flew 4 segments last week, refused X-ray scanner each time. TSA guys did not like it, bit surly. Told me I'd get 4 x the radiation on my x-country flight. I replied that was true only if their machine was working properly, but even then, I reduced my dosage by 20%. But at least they were gentle with my junk.
a moron has just justified and rationalized this crap by fitting elderly people with diapers into the terrorist profile !!
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Since the formation of the TSA, every attempted terrorist attack has been stopped by passengers or intelligence agencies. The TSA fails at here job 100% of the time. They talk about all the weapons they have confiscated..Mostly pocketknives and an ocassioal handgun forgotten about in a bag. The guns would have been found by the old system and the pocket knifed don't matter anymore.
I am sure theynare counting globes too.
If they really thought she had explosives...would they have let her on the plane? Of course not.
A lot of people seem to miss this simple point through, I guess, conditioning.
By letting the old lady get on the plane, they admit that they are extremely confident that she is NOT a terrorist and whatever was in her pants is completely harmless. Otherwise they would never let her on the plane. And this goes for all the people who have their play-doh, baby bottles, cheese, etc confiscated. If TSA had even a small reason to believe those things were actual explosives, you would not be flying that day, no fucking way. I mean, what do they do with the supposed possible-explosives they confiscate? If they are possibly explosives, shouldn't they put them in some explosion-safe location and have a bomb expert examine them to determine the danger? They don't do any of that, because they known goddam well that the baby bottles and cheese they confiscate is perfectly harmless. They just confiscate it anyway, because they are thugs and they can.
If I try to get on a plane and they honest-to-god find explosives on me, and honest-to-god think that I'm going to blow up the fucking plane, do they just let me leave the line, dispose of my explosives, and then get back on the plane? Of course not. They would never do that. Honestly, I don't know what they would do--I don't think they would know what to do with a real bomb or a terrorist if they actually caught one--but they would probably shut the whole terminal down, call the bomb squad, and arrest me. The fact that they do none of those things when the confiscate my cheese is proof that they know I'm harmless, but they steal my shit anyway. In this case, they knew that this old lady was harmless--you know this--but they just bullied her anyway, because they are thugs and they can.
They were afraid she'd do a boom-boom.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
keeping it close to your body where it absorbs in through the skin has been suspected as the cause for skin and nervous system issues over the past ~20 years.
So why doesn't everyone have kidney and bladder cancer? those organs are in continual, unending contact with urea. or do you believe that skin is the only porous human body tissue?
It's no coincidence that when some chiropractors work on infants (I refuse those under ~3, allowing their spines time to set), they notice that diaper rash is almost a guarantee of spinal and nerve issues. Without thinking, the parents are filling their precious child's system full of urea and other toxins.
Actually,parts of the skeletal structure are still in development well into puberty (e.g. cranial sutures). By recommending spinal manipulating >3yrs, you're recommending potentially maiming a person that you think has a completely "set" spine. this is not based on any science nor reasonable health practitioner's recommendation; in fact, you'd have trouble finding any medical doctor (not chiropractor) to state that diaper rash is a nervous issue. to treat diaper rash, look for horses, not zebras. and keep 3yr olds out of the chiropractor's office!
"You don't like it when we check an infant's diaper, you don't like it when we check a 95 year old's diaper. Well, smartarse American public, who's diaper can we check?
"Wait...why are we checking diapers again?"
I doubt they enjoying checking adult diapers. Did the granny set off some sensor?
The TSA is and always was about one thing. The cowing of the American public, and creating a mindset/kulture in the US of not asking questions and doing what you're told. It has NOTHING to do with terrorism.
I am an incontinent young adult, and going through the security screening in San Jose, CA they patted me down, poked and prodded the diaper and took me into a private screening room where a more senior TSA officer did more poking and prodding and that really was just it. They were very respectful, friendly and we were able to crack jokes back and forth. I was dreading it (and obviously, I could have opted for the scanner, just like this woman could have) but have decided I'm not fully comfortable with any potential health risks it may cause, so I took my chances, and the experience wasn't bad at all.
In the US around 35,000 people are killed every single year as a result of road fatalities. If the same paranoia were applied to this much larger figure, speed limits would be e.g. radically cut and there would be mandatory alcohol and drugs testing before each road journey.
I blame you when the paranoid 80% passes a law for this. asshole
It is one thing for a private company to mandate security checks, it is much different for the federal government to do so. You can stretch that logic out to just about anything. You choose to drive in your car, therefore you consent to be searched. You choose to walk outside, therefor you consent to be searched. You purchased a house in a bad neighborhood, you consent to be searched. The government can't pass laws that require citizens to waive their constitutional rights.
Give repercussions to people willing to kill themselves for there cause, group punishments again rather nasty business to punish the people that the terrorists cared for.
Just like it worked for Germans in every country they occupied during the WWII.
Killing civilians also does wonders for the morale of "our boys" out there.
In fact, why even bother with recruiting and training anymore?
Simply scour the prisons for rapists, murderers and other sociopaths, give them guns and flamethrowers and parachute them into civilian settlements.
That should fix that pesky terrorist problem by Christmas or so. What could possibly go wrong, right?
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
I guess 2000 years ago, when Romans "lead" the (Western) world, they had to deal with similar security issues. Except there were no airplanes or diapers then.
"our officers acted professionally and according to proper procedure.'"
Acted professionally if professional means dumb as a bag of hammers. According to proper procedures if proper procedure is to treat every single person as a terrorist suspect regardless of the FACTS of the matter.
I live in Toronto, Canada. Our security personnel at the airport fit the profile of terrorists more than the people their harassing, I mean screening.
. . . so we can all see her giant schlong.
the tsa is hugely expensive and provide no actual security that is going to stop a terrorist act. Those funds should be put towards agencies like the CIA and FBI to actually put people out in the field to infiltrate and disrupt these networks like they use to do back in the day when they were effective.
DC = "Doctor of Chiropractic", a Doctor. If you think you'd be better off going to a BigPharma shill like an "MD", cross your fingers and get ready for the prescriptions.
Listen pal, I don't go a Doctor of Archeology or a Doctor of History for a medical diagnosis. Don't kid yourself. You're NOT a medical professional.
If you aren't suspicious of your government's actions, you aren't doing your job as a responsible citizen.
works both ways.
My mom has a perfect method to get pulled aside each time, bring a dog in a carrier.
Her insulin needles and pump don't even phase security, but bring a cute dog, and its off to the races.
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
The "perfect" covert terrorist is the one that attracts the least attention.
Just this week insurgents tricked an 8 year old girl into becoming an innocent suicide bomber.
A smart terrorist is going to look for people who don't fit the profile to do the front-line work.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
yep, knives and guns and drugs. Lots of drugs. Florida white trash like this is exactly the kind that would stuff her mom's depends full of crystal meth without the poor old lady's knowledge. IF TSA agents felt something suspicious, drugs is probably the first thing they thought.
Yep, and thanks to them, they got to pull off a one time only ever event. Plane hijackings stopped becoming a legitimate terrorist tool as soon as the first tower was hit. (Who came out of 9/11 as the biggest heroes? United 93.)
The fact is terrorists are NOT stupid. They know they can't pull this off again, but they're having a hell of a time laughing at us pissing ourselves to soaking levels every time someone drops a penny at a security line.
Exactly. They aren't going to go after planes again for a while, if ever. No. They are going to go after trains, ships, and other much softer targets. Hell, they could just get a couple small groups, by some black market automatic weapons, and walk into high-rent shopping malls and start shooting. Or build a nitrate bomb inside a truck and park it next to a high school football game. Any attack like this would be much more effective and likely to succeed than trying to take down another plane, because all of these targets are virtually, if not wholly, unprotected.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
You are missing the point. What he is saying is that all this 'security' is too expensive for the general public. Also, your anger is misdirected: you should get upset with the legislators who passed all this crap laws, and not with your fellow citizens.
When I read 1984 as a youngster I was shocked at the telescreen, the minutes of hate, the ever-shifting language and designated terrorists, and the frightful Room 101 ways of dealing with questionable comrades.
At some point with water-boarding, elimination of due process and habeas corpus for designated humans and spying without warrants, we have now fulfilled Orwell's nightmare of a despotic totalitarian system of politic and thought. And we aspire to further degradation of the human spirit.
The fact is that in the seven months after "9-11", more people died from *drunk driving* in NYC than from the terrorist attack. Did't even take a week and a half on a national basis.
I don't fly commercially anymore unless it's out of the country. I fly my plane. It costs less for a nice plane than a large SUV, costs about 50% more than flying coach in most cases when I fly with my half, is a heck of a lot more interesting and fun on the way than sitting in a stinky spam can commercial jet, and gets me exactly where I want to go rather than some lemming farm like LAX or DIA. And there are zero restrictions.
Stop the silliness.
Some politicians trade in fear. They do so because it works.
Obama is afraid of appearing "soft." That's why the jerk has the US militarily involved in three wars at the same time.
Eisenhower warned us about the military-industrial complex. We should pay attention. The fearmongers are in it for their own self interest.
"determined that our officers acted professionally and according to proper procedure.'" But the question is, does the procedure make a lick of sense?
But think of the children! You don't want the terrorists to get them, do you?
My Windows is NOT slow, it's special!
'We have reviewed the circumstances involving this screening and determined that our officers acted professionally and according to proper procedure.'"
He then follow up with:
"We are very proud of the fact we go out of our way to needlessly humiliate people who absolutely pose no security risk. Furthermore, we are especially proud of the fact we've never once stopped a terrorist, know what a terrorist is, or understand even the most vague concept of who and what fits a terrorist profile.
You'll have to excuse me now, I have to go lobby Congress for more money so as to ensure we only ever accomplish draining America's coffers. Peace! I outta heeer."
As he turned to walk away, his last utterence was picked up by the mic:
"Dip shits! I can't believe the American people are so fucking stupid and I get paid for doing absolutely nothing. Holy shit, the American people are fucking stpuid!"
According to the Hippocratic Oath, I think doctors have to treat everybody, and treat them equally. But I'm not an MD myself, so feel free to disagree...
Hyperbole: I use it liberally!
It is very interesting that the link you gave goes to a news site with a story from 2010 and they have a "user comments" section but there are 0 comments. Did NBC delete them for some reason?
This is what happens when americans make concessions. At first they are willing to give up something small or be put out a little bit but the problem with that is once we give up something then it just gets worse and worse and things end up going too far.
Sure some people might say "Hey if it inconviences one old lady for all our safety then its worth it". But thats the thing, it isnt just one old lady. Its a old lady, its a 5 year old boy that is crippled, its a pregnant woman, its the elderly man with a walker that is forced to walk through scanners on his own without his walker and so on and these things just keep popping up more and more. And for every one thing you hear about on the new a hundred others have suffered the same thing or worse but too embarassed to say anything. But thing is making some old lady take off her depends isnt security and isnt saving anyone, this isnt the wild west and this isnt Jordan. We dont have terrorists in the US running around bombing shit everyday, if we did that would be another story. Some terrorists got lucky one time in the US and the american people have been paying for it ever since. Compared to even a major country like england we have had a very minor terrorist experince. Hell england has had like dozens of street and subway bombings and so on and we had one time someone crash some planes.
More people in the US die from allergic reactions in a year in the US than have from terrorist attacks in the past decade.
If we actually tried to prevent problems at the source instead of just putting up one incredibly invasive line of defense right at the gates of the problem we wouldnt need this kind of shit. But thats the american problem solving tactics for you. We wait till a problem has gone too far and then we just patch it up real quick with a solution that doesnt really do shit. But its really expensive and sounds impressive so most people are happy.
Safety is a illusion.
Yeah I'm sure you can't actually deny treatment without consent, but maybe offer the guy the chance to object to filthy western medicine on religious grounds and see if he takes it ;)
Jehovah's witnesses refuse blood transfusions for religious reasons.
Roughly paraphrased scene from Scrubs:
"We believe that blood should not pass from person to person" - Jehovah's witness
"Well I believe that if you don't accept this transfusion, you're going to catch a nasty case of 'The Deadness.' " - Dr. Cox
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
I'm surprised that no one wearing a tin foil hat has yet called the Amtrak crash in Nevada a terrorist plot. Why hasn't the TSA investigated the truck driver that crashed his rig into a train? This is the sort of thing that the terrorists will probably do next.
Did the terrorist win? They almost bankrupted our country. We now have to worry about our 95 yo parents or young daughters getting gate raped, with procedures having little statistical correlation to actually blowing a plane up. Our country now has an enormous infrastructure installed to spy on its own citizens. I think they won.
Slow news day. Mainstream media cannot seem to resist publicizing "shark attacks", even if bee stings and railroad crossing deaths outnumber shark bites and terrorist attacks exponentially. Having created a disproportionate reaction to the statistical risk of terrorist attack (resulting in TSA), they are now doing the same thing to TSA, leading us all to believe that a significant number of TSA screenings are spent on 95 year old diaper-wearers.
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It really is about time that American citizens had the self respect to tell the TSA thugs where to shove it. What will it take to get rid of the TSA? Already 40 BILLION dollars wasted on "security"- if you'd spent that on Education Aid in Pakistan and Saudi, it might have done some good. Instead, all that is done is to guarantee that other countries avoid the USA wherever possible. The TSA has directly caused our family not to visit - we've spent at least $100k in other countries over the last decade that would have been spent in the USA, where we used to have some wonderful vacations.
[...] I'm a U.S. citizen [...]
Timothy McVeigh agrees.
In reality though, if the price of freedom to fly w/o getting groped is a 0.000001% chance I may die instead of a 0.0000001% chance, I'm willing to take the risk.
Hell, I still drive to work every day, and that's far more likely to kill me.
Yes, ER had a bunch of such cases too. American hospitals must have it really hard when a Muslim dies, what with "must be buried in 24 hours", and other religious regulations.
I also think in some cases, doctors should have the right to override these choices, given that otherwise, they are in violation of their oath.
Also, LOL at the quote.
Hyperbole: I use it liberally!
I hope they cleaned her butt and put a fresh diaper on.
Yes I am a professional (Certified Nursing Assistant)
Any who think it's ok for the TSA to do the most insanely stupid things all because "it makes us safer" needs to watch Are we safer? from the show Frontline.
Watch that and tell me we need all this over-reactionary BS that we have. God forbid we profile anyone. No, the TSA uses 95 year old diapered women as a media event to prove the TSA is "Politically correct".
IIRC Orthodox Jews have to be buried before the next sunset. I wonder what happens if one dies just a few hours before sunset. Do all the interns start frantically digging in the backyard or do they have a special corpse-carrying supercar? Maybe something like this?
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
were afraid she'd do a boom-boom.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=8+year+old&btnmeta_news_search=Search+News
Gosh, that wasn't so hard was it? Remember though, Islam is the religion of peace.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
AARP won't take this well, and I think we all know how much Washington fears AARP...
ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI!?
This is just another example of why there needs to be a much higher emphasis on civics in the school system, from at least middle school up until the end of HS. The problem isn't the terrorists, it isn't the TSA agents or agency, it isn't the airlines or the airports, nor is it the branches of government. It boils down to the average complacent american citizen. The point of a democracy and a republic is to encourage citizens to participate in their government, yet most don't even know who their elected politicians are. People complain about how they have no power, how the rich are the only class with influence, yet they don't bother to do a single thing about it. You need look no further than voter turnout statistics to see how much people actually care about their government.
Here's a thought that should solve the problem. "Secure" and "Unsecured" air travel options. Those that don't want to get searched can just fly in unsecured planes. If you question if pilots will fly them I heard of air employees complaining about what they have or not have to go though. So again the answer is simple. Sure ticket prices will be higher (for which flights remains to be seen) but at least those who feel that having their rights set a side for a moment while everyone is made to feel safe is taken done.
I work on solutions not problems.
You, Americans like touching adults diapers and 6 old childrens genitals?
Ohhh you notty notty anglo-saxons bastards! There will be no pudding today.
...americans are cowardly people taking their own safety to absurd levels. Goes right along with bankrupting yourself to fight a "war".
I wish I could argue with you and tell you why you're wrong...but you aren't. Yeah, there are individuals here in the U.S. that still have cojones -- I hope I'm one of them -- but by and large, we have become a nation of wusses. Sigh...
MCSE? No, sir...I don't do Windows. Yes, I am an idealist. What's your point?
As bad as the search of the 95 year old with leukemia was, I found this outrageous:
"Weber said she burst into tears during the ordeal, forcing her own pat-down and other measures in accordance with TSA protocol."
So a woman has to watch her mother be groped and forced to remove her undergarments, gets upset by it and thus needs to be groped herself. Because crying women are the next big threat to airline safety! Them and 95 year olds and 6 year old kids! Thank you, TSA. I feel so much safer knowing that a 95 year old grandmother with leukemia won't hijack the plane I'm on using her Depends undergarments along with her accomplice, her daughter who threatens to cry if we don't stay in line!
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If this was done "professionally and according to proper procedure," that tells me procedure needs changing. I would argue that it may be the procedure, but clearly it is not the correct procedure. All of these xrays and pat-downs aren't nearly as effective as actual bomb-detecting would be.
98-year-old woman, an adult diaper forcibly removed, and a "bush" tag?
I need some mind bleach, stat...
Is the conclusion really that terrorism can only be committed on airplanes in flight? What if a terrorist decided to blow up a bomb in the middle of a crowded security line? How many thousands of unprotected drinking water supplies are present in the US? How many tunnels and bridges? If I were a terrorist with half a brain, why wouldn't I go after much easier, vulnerable, unprotected targets? The fact that it hasn't happened ought to tell us that there aren't nearly as many suicidal terrorists out there as we think there are. Unfortunately, that doesn't make for good political grandstanding. We spend billions of dollars on actions that are 99% useless. And ultimately, that was Bin Laden's goal. To bankrupt the US by committing a cheap terrorist act (the cost of a couple of box cutters). Fear is a funny thing. It's completely irrational and yet, the downfall of every nation/empire in history is due to giving into it.
"The only normal people are the ones you don't know very well."
...I know no one as dedicated to doing their job so much to the point they'd do something like this.
If it were me, I would have said "screw it, just go"
What do I know, I'm just an idiot, right?
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I'd have to be wearing Zaphod's sunglasses to see their point of view.
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Or ironically, blow up the security line at the airport.
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for the wallets of the investors of any company developing airport security hardware.
Something witty.
I refuse to submit them to state-sanctioned sexual assault.
... in the why there are those who want to blow up Americans... considering the US Politics and military would rather create enemies than friends...
What's interesting here is that there are people who, in return for a very modest wage, will agree to be in the position of examining little old ladies' diapers. There are people who would walk out of that job on day one. Then there are people who would make it their primary objective to get out of that job into something that gives some semblance of dignity. Understand, we're talking $10-15/hr jobs here, so a lateral move isn't all that hard to make, even in this economy.
Then there are people who *compete* to *get* this job, and who are eager to keep it. Those people scare me.
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This may be a non-story after all. According to this CNN story, the TSA is denying that they required this person to remove her adult diaper.
If I can be modded down for being a troll, can I be modded up for being an orc, or a balrog?
No one's invented a "mental illness detector" that the airports can use to screen people.
Sure they have! It's called Language!
As in; "Are you, or have you ever been, a member of the Republican Party?"
Sorry i could not resist. In my defence, I may have aspergers ;)
"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." - Denis Diderot.
Um, I think the TSA are power-mad jumped-up rent-a-cops...but you should remember that 9/11 was carried out on domestic flights, so if anything, the domestic flights would indeed be the ones to require extra security procedures. And no-one said individuals were being patted down for their own protection - what, you think they pat-down a person with a knife to protect the person with the knife?
Whoosh, particularly along the variety of "Don't give them any suggestions..."
Why is is that no one ever asks to stop all this random "security"? If a person has committed a crime, arrest them and let due process (trial) take its course. If a person is to be harassed on suspicion, then that is no law enforcement or security or anything but a simple power grab.
From no one. They are scanning and patting down you to protect everyone else from you.
They don't need to hijack a plane to cause fear and economic turmoil. Just blow one up. So security makes sense (not necessarily what we have, but some security). And really, you need to call the person a pussy? You are pathetic.
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Some one at the TSA has a weird yet disgusting fetish...
I went to Florida this year, I didn't get groped, nor did I have to go through one of the backscatter machines (There wasn't any). The airplanes were fine as well. Actually while I was flying in the US I even had wifi on the plane. Helped me route my next flight fast so I got there just as it was closing boarding. If it wasn't for that I would of missed it.
Also once you are passed security, a lot of the places are just like bus stops. You can with ease change your flight mid transit, or move to a later flight if needed.
They don't even need to blow it up! All a terrorist has to do is look at a plane funny and suddenly we're wearing form fitting body suits to get on a plane and getting handcuffed to the chair.
And no, I don't think the descriptive term 'pussy' was over the line. I think it's a very apt term to use. We're so irrationally scared of planes being hijacked now, we'll subject ourselves to humiliations that are starting to make the Vietnam War Hanoi Hilton look like the Hanoi Hilton on 1 Le Thanh Tong St, Hanoi.
The 80s were one long string of hijacks and bombings of airplanes, yet people still flew, security didn't go batshit insane, and we're going 'Bring it on!' Here comes 2011, and now we're cowering, wetting ourselves everytime someone starts praying in an airport and crying for the (apparently incompetent) government to SAVE US!!!1!1!
(Debate for another time: why do we suffer the government to do airplane security right? Aren't they incapable of doing anything right? That's all I heard during the Health Care Act debates... Just sayin.)
So, yes, the OP I responded to is a pussy. And so are you. And so is everyone else who demands this security theater.
Man. Up.
why don't they just make it clear: anybody goes through the security gate, please take off your bulging diaper and place in in the tray (just like taking out laptop, jacket, shoes, etc..) that'll make travelers less damned surprised
Oh yeah, paint up a Super Shuttle bus, load it up like OKC, drive it up to a terminal and bye bye airport lobby.
Although, honestly, all you *really* need to do is go in the out door and that'll shut the airport down for hours too without all that pesky covert purchasing of fertilizer, the bus rental/purchase, busted detonators, and the radical gets to do it another day!
For; If s/he is not, Then surly this would be a bad mod?
I mean; s/italians/muslims, This may not be "insightful", But is it a "bad" comment? IMO no, Just another /. comment.
Now get this thing back to 1, were it belongs.
"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." - Denis Diderot.
Your comment makes sense!, clearly it's posted in the wrong forum.
Now stop trying to raise the bar around here! some of us like reading /. ( makes us feel smart )
"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." - Denis Diderot.
...doing nasty things to other humans.
Kill by a drone... that's just a statistic. Like death/maiming by a land mine. Or a car accident.
No kills are counted, or medals awarded for laying mines. At best, someone somewhere is taking account of the ratio of dead/maimed people per mine.
And the victims have nobody to blame but some mythical boogieman they themselves created from their actual enemy (Yankee, Charlie, Jerry, Tommy, Johnie, Commie...) and their own bad luck.
Punishment on the other hand is a VERY personal thing.
You want the other side to know who, why and what for is punishing them BEFORE the actual punishment is "administered".
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Semi-funny story:
I'm from Denmark (Scandinavia) and at this time, two partys holds goverment. one is called; "The Conservative Peoples Party", The other; "Left"
The funny part? (aside from the names). For all intents and purposes; The Conservatives == Republicans and Left == Democrats.
When we Europeans (barring the brits) fail to see a difference between the R's and the D's we have reasons!
"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." - Denis Diderot.
DC = "Doctor of Chiropractic", a Doctor. If you think you'd be better off going to a BigPharma shill like an "MD", cross your fingers and get ready for the prescriptions.
It's interesting that DCs are the only "Doctors" that feel they need to marginalize other medical doctors. I do not hear from an internist that the surgeon is bought off by "BigCutlery", nor do i see the optometrist spit when he refers to the optician's chart.
I think it's irresponsible for any medical practitioner to dissuade pursuing a second opinion in such an intimidating, dismissive manner. It is perfectly fine to hold this opinion personally; However, for the practice of patient care, a doctor needs to leave these personal prejudices outside of the waiting room. To come out swinging against evidence-based medicine (e.g. "MD" doctors) when you hold such a position of authority over your own patients is malpractice.
Check out this site for a list of the TSA's accomplishments. It seems that their greatest accomplishment is spending billions and billions of dollars without any *real* accomplishments.
This site has a much better approach to listing the accomplishments of the TSA.
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From no one. They are scanning and patting down you to protect everyone else from you.
Well, OK, but I'm a *US citizen* traveling *domestically*. The law enforcement scrutiny I face at the airport is drastically disproportionate to what I face everywhere else in the country. Yet, a US citizen who intends harm to other US citizens isn't constrained to attack air travel. So I'm still scratching my head, here.
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Remember when the war on terror began and we were all told that we would not let the terrorists destroy our way of life and the day-to-day freedoms that we all enjoy ?
Anti-terrorism measures have been used as an excuse to eat away at our privacy and assert tighter control on our everyday lives. The sad thing is that we all buy into the illusion. Especially those in the law enforcement community who are brainwashed into believing that they're actually doing the right thing when performing these sorts of acts. Imagine if you could have asked one of these TSA agents, when they were a teenager, if they would ever consider doing something like this ? When did this sort of thing become acceptable ? The war on terror is already lost. Our way of lives change for the worse every day an it's not because of terrorists, but politicians. Legislation is made without challenge our question so long as the word "terrorism" is used.
Terrorist killed thousands of people via hijacking an some planes. Hence a disproportionate level of scrutiny is applied to airport "security". And those attacks were also domestic flights, not via US citizens but you don't check citizenship on domestic flights anyway and there have been plenty of home grown American nut jobs too.
Yes it's stupid. But it's stupid due to the overreaction on one attack vector not because of the flights being domestic or the traveler a citizen.
And those attacks were also domestic flights, not via US citizens but you don't check citizenship on domestic flights anyway
Controversial: Should we? I'd rather show my passport than go through a scanner or get a pat-down. Certainly I bet this 95-year-old woman would have preferred that.
and there have been plenty of home grown American nut jobs too.
...who have plenty of ways to carry out ill intent that have nothing to do with air travel. The TSA simply doesn't make us safer from them, even if you believe it makes air travel safer. In our non-air-travel lives, we seem pretty content with the trade off of nut job risk vs. law enforcement limitations.
Non-citizens have plenty of ways to carry out ill intent that have nothing to do with air travel, so citizenship is irrelevant in to that point.
I agree the focus on air travel security is stupid, but don't say that too loud in case they decide to inflict that on us in other areas instead of toning it down in the airports...
If you thought the Nazi's went away after WW II, think again. America now has, amongst its other accomplishments, its own Gestapo. Of course, they have PR agents right now that back their actions, but when did traveling on a plane constitute probable cause for searching? I fought to prevent these thugs from ever coming to power, but Congress was too much in a hurry to "protect America". What horse shit.
The saddest part of the whole picture is that most Americans are so brainwashed they actually support the TSA's actions. I am sure our parents generation (at least the ones who fought for freedom of the individual against the State) are turning over in their graves.
Tha'ts so vile and disgusting TSA all should be screened like that then to! Omg I can't believe how many perverts in this country. Nice going D's!
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Also, my name's Steve, too! (Named after the saint that was stoned)
I'd have posted this comment on your site if you didn't require registration, so my apologies to slashdotters I may have annoyed with this offtopic comment. Checking the "no bonus" boxes, if anyone wants to mod this down please feel free, it should be -1 as it's aimed at only one slashdotter.
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The Death of Two Protohumans
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