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House Websites Jammed After Obama Debt Speech
Hugh Pickens writes "CNN reports that House switchboards have been flooded by phone calls — nearly twice the normal average — and hit with an unusual volume of constituent e-mails as voters voice their concern over the worsening debt-ceiling crisis. At least 104 of 279 congressional websites surveyed by CNN were down or had experienced slow connections on Tuesday, after President Obama's speech Monday night. In his address to the nation, Obama called on the American people to 'make your voice heard.' House Speaker John Boehner's website responded with a 'Server Too Busy' or 'Bad Request (Invalid Hostname)' message during parts of the day. His switchboard reported as many as 150-300 callers on hold, wanting to leave their thoughts for the speaker. House Chief Administrative Officer spokesman Dan Weiser said that lawmakers' websites and phone lines began to sag with the traffic on Monday night. 'Last night we had some website problems. ... There was some websites that were hosted by outside vendors that had slowness, sluggishness, people had trouble getting in. And that was rectified early this morning.'"
This is extortion. This is anti-American. Rep Mike Lee Admits Extortion.
In specific Tea Party Republicans are threatening to put the nation into default, holding the entire US economy and millions of lives hostage to pass their amendment to the Constitution. They want the nation to default because it will boost recruitment into their militias. They want a civil war and are apparently beyond compromise. They cannot be reasoned with apparently.
Who are these people? Before they called themselves the Tea Party they called themselves the John Birch Society. and before they were called the John Birch society they called themselves the American Liberty League.
This is the same American Liberty League that was behind the Business Plot.
The Business Plot was the attempt to overthrow the US government and in specific overthrow FDR and install a fascist dictatorship. The history of that can be seen by watching this video.
Read about Smedley Darlington Butler and how he single handedly saved the nation from a coup. Now that we have a black President the forces looking to have a coup have grown stronger than ever. And these groups hate the feds and the government because these are the ones investigating them. The solution? Tax cuts, smaller government, which means less FBI investigations into them.
And btw I expect "them" to rate my post down into oblivion. Expect to see it rated as flamebait, overrated or something else.
This is Democracy in action
It seems like the more extreme Republicans that are running things in the House don't have a political philosophy so much as they have a religion. It's hard to convince a zealot of anything.
Pay attention, kids: we're experiencing history! This is another stage in the long decline of the United States.
Hail Eris, full of mischief...
E pluribus sanguinem
Our system of government was not setup for this large of a population. When the countru was founded there were many who thought the constittuent:representative ratio was too high and it is faaaar worse now. It is time to dissolve the union and form 50 new nations.
And those limits can be overwhelmed by a large response.
Or is the real news story that Americans are expressing something about their political parties for once?
I am Slashdot. Are you Slashdot as well?
Last I looked both parties got us into this mess. Opps this site doesn't want to admit that. Ohhhh Democrat good Republican evil, it's that easy. Keep fooling yourselves.
And the rating agencies are only going to change the rating once there's absolutely no chance that the game doesn't end with serious injuries...
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_Caucus
Sandy Adams, Florida
Robert Aderholt, Alabama
Todd Akin, Missouri
Rodney Alexander, Louisiana
Michele Bachmann, Minnesota, Chairman
Roscoe Bartlett, Maryland
Joe Barton, Texas
Gus Bilirakis, Florida
Rob Bishop, Utah
Diane Black, Tennessee
Michael C. Burgess, Texas
Paul Broun, Georgia
Dan Burton, Indiana
John Carter, Texas
Bill Cassidy, Louisiana
Howard Coble, North Carolina
Mike Coffman, Colorado
Ander Crenshaw, Florida
John Culberson, Texas
Jeff Duncan, South Carolina
Blake Farenthold, Texas
Stephen Fincher, Tennessee
John Fleming, Louisiana
Trent Franks, Arizona
Phil Gingrey, Georgia
Louie Gohmert, Texas
Vicky Hartzler, Missouri
Wally Herger, California
Tim Huelskamp, Kansas
Lynn Jenkins, Kansas
Steve King, Iowa
Doug Lamborn, Colorado
Jeff Landry, Louisiana
Blaine Luetkemeyer, Missouri
Kenny Marchant, Texas
Tom McClintock, California
David McKinley, West Virginia
Gary Miller, California
Mick Mulvaney, South Carolina
Randy Neugebauer, Texas
Rich Nugent, Florida
Steve Pearce, New Mexico
Mike Pence, Indiana
Ted Poe, Texas
Tom Price, Georgia
Denny Rehberg, Montana
Phil Roe, Tennessee
Dennis Ross, Florida
Ed Royce, California
Steve Scalise, Louisiana
Tim Scott, South Carolina
Pete Sessions, Texas
Adrian Smith, Nebraska
Lamar Smith, Texas
Cliff Stearns, Florida
Tim Walberg, Michigan
Joe Walsh, Illinois
Allen West, Florida
Lynn Westmoreland, Georgia
Joe Wilson, South Carolina
single digit? less valuable than a goat. below 30? quite expendable 'for the cause' which is death to most of us.
still showing up here there & everywhere
should it not be considered that the domestic threats to all of us/our
freedoms be intervened on/removed, so we wouldn't be compelled to hide our
sentiments, &/or the truth, about ANYTHING, including the origins of the
hymenology council, & their sacred mission? with nothing left to hide,
there'd be room for so much more genuine quantifiable progress?
you call this 'weather'? much of our land masses/planet are going under
water, or burning up, as we fail to consider anything at all that really
matters, as we've been instructed that we must maintain our silence (our
last valid right?), to continue our 'safety' from... mounting terror.
meanwhile, back at the raunch; there are exceptions? the unmentionable
sociopath weapons peddlers are thriving in these times of worldwide
sufferance? the royals? our self appointed murderous neogod rulers? all
better than ok, thank..... us. their stipends/egos/disguises are secure,
so we'll all be ok/not killed by mistaken changes in the MANufactured
'weather', or being one of the unchosen 'too many' of us, etc...?
truth telling & disarming are the only mathematically & spiritually
correct options. read the teepeeleaks etchings. see you there?
diaperleaks group worldwide.
Now we're going to Slashdot them too!
Obama told people to tell Congress they want an agreement rather than a default. I'm glad to see that the people responded and let Congress know it's time to quit playing partisan politics. The American people are uneasy about the lack of an agreement and I hope that's what they told Congress. I sent an e-mail to my representative (Clay) and senators (Blunt and McCaskill) and told them it's time to reach a balanced deal to protect the credit rating and avoid dipping into a deeper recession. I'll be writing again in a few days if an agreement isn't reached.
The fucker lied about the President's plan right after the president explained he was for cuts and tax increases. Fucking John Boehner right after says, Obama wants to increase taxes and SPEND MORE.
What a fucking lying piece of shit. He should be removed from office. Fuck him, the Tea Party, and any other lying piece of shit that is out to bleed our country to death.
The Republican plan would allow Obama to increase the debt ceiling by $2.4T and raise taxes provided both houses can agree to a balanced budget amendment to the US Constitution.
If you think that's extreme, you're a kool aid drinking liberal. The Republican base is demanding no compromise on the debt ceiling, no new taxes AND a balanced budget amendment. The Republican house very well might get flushed in 2012 in favor of even more Tea Party candidates unless they succeed in actually ratifying an enforceable balanced budget amendment.
The federal budget has gone from not even $2T under Clinton to $3.5T under Obama. This trend cannot continue. It has nothing to do with taxes or tax rates. The GDP is about $13T. That means the federal government alone now consumes about 27% of our GDP. Even if your support big, active government that leaves a lot less money for those governments that are closer and more accountable to the people.
Sounds like a DDoS attack to me. These troublemakers are disrupting the daily business activities of critical public infrastructure and/or private business.
Funny how people can easily be manipulated with scare tactics and fear! The Government is very good at this.
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Linux Microsoft-IIS/6.0 27-Jul-2011 88.221.94.216 Akamai
Windows Server 2003 Microsoft-IIS/6.0 22-Oct-2009 143.228.239.199 Information Systems, U.S. House of Representatives
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Defaulting on the federal debt will simply mean the federal government is limited to its revenues and whatever it can print (and that will totally screw over the poor and vulnerable). We have over $2T in revenues. All that means is that the federal government will have to prioritize.
How about we start means-testing Social Security and Medicare. If Grandma has a pension, fat 401k or private assets she gets no Social Security.
So what if she "paid into the system her whole life." I have no kids and pay thousands of dollars in property taxes, mainly to support local schools. Do you see me whining, bitching and moaning about the injustice of paying for something from which I derive no personal benefit? No. It's called civic responsibility. Part of your duty as a citizen is to put the common good before yours and frankly, I'm sick of ordinary Americans adopting the same "fuck you, I'll get mine" attitude they accuse the rich of having and then acting holier than thou toward them.
They didn't give a fuck then, why would they give a fuck now?
Same happened when Obama rammed through his "Health Care Reforms" and - they didn't give a fuck then.
So now this is important because it is something Obama cares about?
Unless you have a credit card number ready....
Donations of $25,000 will get heard.
Donations higher than that will sway the vote slightly.
Honestly, Boner is incredibly out of touch and the Extremist Tea Party people that demand no new taxes are completely out of touch with reality.
There is TWO ways of fixing this.
More taxes and cuts.
Completely end all wars and all foreign aid by cutting the Defense budget by 60%. This means ending Homeland security funding so this will have terrorists flooding the airplanes so much that 80% of all people on airlines will be bomb carrying terrorists.
Also ending the wars on drugs, guns, mexicans, etc... This will result in the entire population of south america to suddenly stream into the United states with at least 50 tons of Cocaine and Pot on their backs each... That is 3X the weight of the earth in drugs in our streets!
Honestly people, Taxes needs to be raised. I'll be happy with ending the ENTIRE Bush tax cut package and raise everyone's taxes.
That coupled with deep cuts will fix the problem.
The Congressional filtering system is extremely efficient. No matter what you say, somehow you're always supporting the position that the Congresscritter has already taken.
I've been writing to "my" Congressional "representatives" for almost forty years, and even when I've bluntly said that Senator Bozo has a severe case of craniorectal insertion, I get a letter back thanking me for supporting him.
Lacking <sarcasm> tags,
Defaulting on the federal debt will simply mean the federal government is limited to its revenues and whatever it can print (and that will totally screw over the poor and vulnerable). We have over $2T in revenues. All that means is that the federal government will have to prioritize.
How about we start means-testing Social Security and Medicare. If Grandma has a pension, fat 401k or private assets she gets no Social Security.
So what if she "paid into the system her whole life." I have no kids and pay thousands of dollars in property taxes, mainly to support local schools. Do you see me whining, bitching and moaning about the injustice of paying for something from which I derive no personal benefit? No. It's called civic responsibility. Part of your duty as a citizen is to put the common good before yours and frankly, I'm sick of ordinary Americans adopting the same "fuck you, I'll get mine" attitude they accuse the rich of having and then acting holier than thou toward them.
Say they decide to pay the troops, what about the contractors who were promised money who are risking their lives as well? You think the mercenaries are going to be happy when they find out they might not be paid and that their contract may even be canceled? So how are they going to get their money?
Also how will the troops be paid? That isn't even a guarantee. The foreigners who own the nations debt have to be paid before anyone else and that includes the troops. After the foreign debt holders are paid then the President can think to give priority to the troops, or to contractors, or to social security. And at some point, somewhere, some people aren't going to be paid. Which people can afford not to get paid for a month?
And when a budget is finally passed, will that lost month's pay be included in the budget? The point is that this will fuck the system up internally, as well as fuck up the entire economy.
So we should march on D.C. this week? What should I put on my sign? "More Debt NOW!"?
I didn't vote for him. But he has the power to influence elections regardless of who the people voted for.
The way you say that you want what the Federalists wanted and then put Jefferson and Madison in the camp of the Federalists cracks me up. While Madison was a Federalist early on (and helped Hamilton write the Federalists Papers), by the time the Constiitution was ratified, he was was agreeing with Jefferson on almost every issue and staunchly opposed the Federalists. The root of this dispute was largely over the centralization of the government. The Federalists favored a strong federal government. The anti-Federalist groups (like the Republicans that later formed into the Demoratic-Republican clubs which are not to be confused with the party of Lincoln) thought that a strong central government was doomed to end in tyrrany. The anti-Federalists lost that battle with the ratification of the US Constitution. They lost it again during Washington's presidency. By the time Jefferson was elected president, Federalist doctrine was so par for the course, that you'd be hard pressed to show the difference between his term and what the Federalists supported.
The Anti-federalists lost again in the US Civil War. The so-called states' rights movement was really just a replay of the same old debate, except with guns and bayonets instead of broadsides and pamphlets. Lincon's Republican Party put a strong union headed by a powerful centralized government at the center of their platform.
HTTP ERROR 511: Website is Jammed.
Imagine if you weren't allowed to use roads because a bus company complained about your driving 3 times. --skunkpussy
Obama slashdotted his own communication services. Some people never learn hey?!
"and that was rectified early this morning"
Great doublespeak insinuating someone actively did something to fix the websites, when in reality the problem went away because people went to bed.
Should the President be charged with inciting a DDoS attack ?
At my house, making less than $40,000 a year, we have to live on a budget. We can't spend more than we take in as wages. We don't have the option of "raising taxes", that is, going to the boss and saying "I've overextended myself, give me more money or I'll lose my car!". We have to live within our means. That's something the United States government hasn't done in over 100 years, no matter which political party had the lion's share of power. It was passed on from my grandfather's generation to my father's generation, and now to mine. Is it really unreasonable to expect our elected representatives to want to solve the problem for the long haul, not just allow us to borrow another trillion or two to put it off ten years? I don't agree 100% with either approach. "Let's tax the rich! They've got it to spare!" is a popular battle cry that only results in more vitriolic rhetoric from both parties and class warfare. "Let's cut spending!" makes more common sense on the surface, but then you've got to look at what to cut. Obviously, we're wasting money SOMEWHERE, but nobody wants to make the hard decisions that might result in some lost public-sector jobs.
A balanced approach is necessary. Cut the fat. Turn off the premium movie channels and quit with the T-bone steaks. Maybe our government needs to live on pinto beans and cornbread for a while, so to speak. Get rid of everything that's not necessary. Freeze spending on everything. Not one new project for 24 months. Then take that time to evaluate where the money was going and adjust accordingly until we're operating within our means.
Missing from this story is that the White House switchboard was, also, jammed. This story makes it seem as if the people are supporting Obama against Congress, when in fact, they are mad at the whole lot of them.
My question is this, how do you negotiate with someone who will not give you a list of what they want out of the negotiations? The Republicans have laid out in clear terms what their negotiating position is, the Democrats have, also, done so with Obama's budget from April, yet they are trying to tell us that that isn't their negotiating position. If that isn't their starting point for negotiations, what is it?
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
In most of the world, federalism is a political idea where a relatively weak central government helps a federation of more or less independent states govern themselves. Many of the Founding Fathers (Thomas Jefferson, etc.) were federalists of this sort but generally referred to themselves as Republicans or as Anti-federalists.
During early American period advocates of a strong federal government (Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, George Washington -by the end of his second term anyway, etc.) adopted the name Federalists to descrbe themselves. So in the US, use of the word 'Federalism' tends to mean the opposite of what it does in other contexts.
For a great read, look up the July 29, 1792 letter from George Washington to Alexander Hamilton in which Washington recounts the complaints he's heard from Republicans against the Federalists. The complaints are largely identical to Tea Party complaints of today right down to having problems with a strong central bank, exercise of executive power, and onerous taxes. Mind, you, Washington wasn't the one /making/ these complaints. Rather, he was itemizing them in order to find out how Hamilton would respond to them. Most likely they came straight from Thomas Jefferson.
...it's too late for the pebbles to vote. Regardless of your fiscal outlook, the fact is the debt ceiling must be raised, simply because of economic inertia. Fiscal conservatives may be correct that less government spending is good - but that perspective doesn't matter today, as our economic difficulties are the result of decisions years, maybe decades past. If you want to avoid raising debt ceilings in the future (a goal I actually support), that's fine - we can have a discussion on the best fiscal policy to pursue over the next ten years in order to achieve that. But *today* is not the time to debate *this* particular ceiling. That discussion should've happened ten years ago. Playing with the cap today is irresponsible at best, and cynical exploitation of economic trouble created, in part, by an ex-president from your own party, to secure a victory in 2012 ... well, not even at "worst", as that's pretty much exactly what the Republicans are doing.
The point is, you don't change economic trends overnight. The necessity of raising the debt ceiling cannot be altered today, even with the best intentions. I want to stay balanced and not single a particular side for blame, but it seems that the politicking is all about discrediting the sitting president to hurt his incumbent standing in 2012, rather than any form of principled economic disagreement.
Btw: captcha: "defraud"
How can Republicans hold to the position: "We must have a balanced budget", which by itself is perfectly fine, then add to that, "but we won't let you increase your income"? These 2 principles do NOT go together. If you remove 1 of only 2 fundamental tools to achieving a balanced budget from the table, then it beyond ridiculous to expect a balance budget be enforced this way. This is even more true of a government than it is to a household, as governments typically have some very inflexible spending requirements.
The last time I checked, the US was still a democracy. Currently, 47% of the country (including me) would prefer to not raise the debt ceiling, while 42% (presumably including you) are all in a panic that not raising it would be a catastrophe. I am tired of the government borrowing money on my behalf, while you would like your debt to be even more than the $46,137.29 it is now. When do you plan on paying this debt back? Ours are therefore opposite and irreconcilable positions, perfectly reflecting the opposite and irreconcilable positions held by the two parties in Congress. What you are proposing that your view must be imposed on everybody in the country, ignoring the views of the other 47% of americans. That's not how democracy works. That's how a dictatorship works. If you like that system, try moving to China or something. In America we try to not allow a minority dictate the majority what to do (even though, unfortunately, it does happen).
"There was some websites that were hosted by outside vendors that had slowness, sluggishness, people had trouble getting in."
Wait, what? Outside vendors had their sites crash, but sites run by the Congress staff itself ran with the load?
That can't be right. That contradicts everything I'm told about privatization and outsourcing uber alles.
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We know where leadership by an anti-intellectual "strongman" who scapegoats minorities and likes boisterous rallies goes
Yeah, except that lowering taxes doesn't seem to grow the economy. Certainly not enough to make up for the lowered rate. Too bad. It's all sensible except for that point.
Anyway, the top 20% pays 86% of the taxes, maybe, but don't they own an equally large (or larger) share of the wealth and income?
When I was a kid, in the 1960s, tax rates were way over 50%. Tax rates in England peaked at 90%. While 90% marginal tax rates will certainly hurt your economy, it's not at all clear than 30%, 40%, 50% rates will do much damage. If we can manage to spend some of that on useful infrastructure things, it may even be good in the long run. Just think! We could have a well-educated, healthy workforce, streets and networks that work, et cetera.
to the Republican assholes. They just don't give a fuck. They are power-hungry whores who will do anything to damage the President, including fuck up the global economy.
---Technology will liberate us if it doesn't enslave us first.
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.
Over the past 5 years, our federal debt has increased by $3.5 trillion to $8.6 trillion.That is “trillion” with a “T.” That is money that we have borrowed from the Social Security trust fund, borrowed from China and Japan, borrowed from American taxpayers. And over the next 5 years, between now and 2011, the President’s budget will increase the debt by almost another $3.5 trillion.
Numbers that large are sometimes hard to understand. Some people may wonder why they matter. Here is why: This year, the Federal Government will spend $220 billion on interest. That is more money to pay interest on our national debt than we’ll spend on Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. That is more money to pay interest on our debt this year than we will spend on education, homeland security, transportation, and veterans benefits combined. It is more money in one year than we are likely to spend to rebuild the devastated gulf coast in a way that honors the best of America.
And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on.
Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America’s priorities.
Senator Barack Obama
Senate Floor Speech on Public Debt
March 16, 2006
-- Amazing how things change...
if (it != oneThing) it = another;
LOL, funny media. Does anyone notice they specifically do not say that most of those callers are against Boehner. Sources say most of the calls are in support of Cut Cap and Balance. If I am wrong, please prove me wrong. All i know is that I called supporting Boehner yesterday.
No, Obama has spent more dollars, but Bush has spent more PERMANTE dollars.
By this I mean that Bush's policies amounted to taking tax money and burning it on the white house lawn.
While Obama has certainly done some of this as well, most of his most expensive policies have already or will recoup most if not all the money invested. What this means is that the long term impact is just the interest on the debt for the time the money was out.
There is an intersting article published a few days ago:
http://ezkool.com/2011/07/two-potus-spending-2/
What I find amazing is that as far as I can tell, Regan, Bush junior and Obama all seem to have read '1984' and decided that it demonstrated a sound financial plan! Read the book. The key aspect of the financial system was making production disapear through war. This kept most of the population poor, reduced the availability of consumer good and had the fringe benefit of sparking patriotism...
What I cna't believe
It's raspberry!
Only one man would dare raspberry me...
With a lot of help from Grover Nordquist
1. Convince people that trickle-down economics works.
2. Cut taxes on the rich. Talk big about cutting spending, "deficits don't matter" of course.
3. Act surprised that government can't pay the bills after taxes have been cut
4. Cut social programs to balance the books. Leave those juicy hand-outs to your corporate buddies alone.
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
They are full of it... the website for the financial services of the House was down already in the afternoon.
He's already threatened mine. In fact, I could make an argument he got me laid off.
I work in Aerospace at a company that manufactures interior fittings for private jets. Essentially we pimp them out.
When Obama first opened his Pie Hole about how corporations should not be buying these jets, within two weeks we had nearly 60% of our orders canceled as the jet builders like Gulfstream, Falcon, etc. had their orders canceled or placed on hold. With one Class Warfare speech he helped put thousands of people out of work.
Now, a year later I'm back with the same company and sure enough DipShit opens his PieHole again trying to demonize jet owners. We saw a 15% decrease in orders this time. I guess people realize he's just talking out of his ass.
Private jets, yachts, expensive cars, etc. are no different than dishwashers, washers, dryers, TVs, etc. They are luxuries that people pay for and the industries that build these things support thousands of jobs. In fact, in our industry, it’s almost 100% U.S. jobs, and well paying jobs at that.
People bitch and moan about how "rich people" and corporations have their money locked up and are not hiring, yet when they engage in commerce with that very same money, purchasing high end goods that end up paying for many, many salaries, they are demonized by this POS POTUS.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
The Tea-Party Republicans ran on platforms of cutting spending and lowering the debt. Can you blame them for not turning on their constituents and breaking promises to pass legislation their home districts are against? I thought we were tired of politicians making campaign promises, then breaking them in office.
Funtime Candy Wow! - my plan for eventually conquering Japan.
Indeed, that's the thing I was most surprised about in this story. Now I wonder if this hacktivism is doing the government's job better than the government could ever do itself.
rofl.
always trying to find some sinister connection with the "tea party". A better name for them might be a collective group of people pissed of at government but saying they are former John Birchers - please. I would bet 99.99999% do not even know who or what that is.
I've heard of several countries that will disband the current government if it's not functioning, and go back to elections. We need a process for that here. Although I'm pretty sure recalls don't work at the Federal level, I bet recall petitions would get plenty of signatures right now. Perhaps we should do them anyway...
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
The US is a republic, NOT a democracy.
Currently, most people don't give a shit, but those who have a strong opinion are over-represented in polls because they have a need to be heard.
The answer is not to give a little ground, it is for both sides to completely cave in.
The US welfare system and other social programs is a joke, they are horribly inefficient and provide little. Why does the US spend more on healthcare yet get less?
And why do the rich in America got an entire party supposedly representing 50% of the population cater solely to their needs? Because all the republican tax cuts are for the super rich, not the working middle class.
America needs to reform. A better tax system and more efficient spending. A lot more money in and a lot less money out.
Neither side is willing. Don't forget that the republicans need the social spending to avoid social unrest that would soon see just how much a security gate is worth when armed poor rise up. And the democrats got plenty of backers with corporate jets.
US politics has reached stalemate. The status quo works fine enough, in a world that doesn't change but the world has changed and the 50/50 distribution of political power makes the US unable to cope.
The US needs a plan for its economy, dare I say it a planned economy? That doesn't work if two parties are only intrested in the next sound bite, the next election in less then two years.
Just hold an election for the entire system (both houses) this year and just do the same thing whatever it is for 4 years at least. At this point what you do matters less then just doing ANYTHING. Cut all wellfare and deal with the civil uprising or tax the hell out of everything and deal with the civil uprising or don't do anything and deal with the economic mayhem. But do SOMETHING.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Politicians don't believe in anything (yes, that includes your guy too, whoever he is). The only thing they're thinking about is the next election. And, in this case, Republicans have a vested interest in keeping the economy in the shitter through the end of 2012 (because it hurts Obama's reelection potential). In other words, they're not religious, they're just immoral opportunists who won't hesitate to throw the entire country under the bus just to advance their own short-term political interests.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
The Bush tax cuts resulted in an acceleration of the 2000 recession and the high point was LOWER than the peak in the 90's.
Because of the Bush tax cuts we had the second most abysmal recovery EVER in 2001-2003. The only worse recover was his SECOND recession 2008-2009.
When you actually compare change in GDP to the top marginal tax rate you find that they are essentially independent. You can set it at historic lows or historic highs like in the 40's when it was at 95% and the economy gows humming righ along.
In fact you find a very slight BENEFIT from higher taxes to a point.
If you chart out the performance of the GDP according to the top marginal tax rate you actually find that our economy has been MOST effective at a tax rate of 60% (yes Six-Zero).
This actually makes sense because if the top tax bracket is high than owners/investors whill choose to not realize (take home) the profit and instead will tend to reinvest which boosts the economy.
Now it is true that in the past under certain situations lowering taxes helps. Like when Kennedy lowered them from 90 to 75%. But in general this is rare. For instance, when Regan cut taxes in the early 80's he triggered a recession. The recession was only resolved after he raised taxes 5 seperate times.
In virtually every case a tax cut has directly lead to a worsening economy the next year while a tax increase (to a point) has resulted in an improved economy the next year.
Take a look at this analysis: http://www.businessinsider.com/a-few-graphs-on-real-gdp-growth-rates-versus-taxes-and-the-size-of-government-2011-1
It is very interesting and simple enough for even me to replicate.
Lol... well done Obama, for taking down all those websites and slowing the rest!
Hang on... what's the penalty for DDoS in america?
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But didn't they do this during the health care debate about wanting the public option but no one listened and got rid of it anyway? you think they would learn their lesson on if they would actually be listened too rather then being used as a annoyance weapon, since just about every non partisan poll showed that well over 52% of the people wanted it.
I know i would of loved to have it about that time, at that same time it started to heat up(beginning of 2009) a pituitary tumor made it's self known and i nearly died, the public option would of been a lot better then the hell i went through to get united health care to cover the 26k surgery cost.
Senator Obama's speech was given during the buildup of the housing bubble. It was a period where the Republicans controlled both houses of Congress and the Presidency. They used this power to start two never-ending land wars in asia (off the books no less), create an unfunded Medicare program, and cut taxes on the wealthiest individuals.
The economic situation in 2006 was significantly different than it is now. The demands on the government to assist the unemployed are far greater and the tax revenue generated is far smaller.
Further, President Obama is not demanding to be allowed to spend more money willy-nilly. He's asking to be allowed to borrow enough to spend the money Congress already authorized him to spend.
It breaks my pluginses, my precious!
This is exactly the right answer. The debt limit is about paying for money that was already spent.
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To distill this down to it's essence, the US federal government needs the ability to borrow money next month in order to pay the interest on the money it borrowed last month. If private individuals do that it's referred to as check kiting. If an investment company does this it's referred to as a ponzi scheme. If our federal government does this it's called business as usual.
Sadly, the only way things will ever change is if the few true fiscal conservatives in the house remain stalwart and force our government to face reality. The hard truth of the matter is quite simple, our liabilities exceed our gross national product. In business terms we're insolvent. Borrowing more with the justification of obfuscated spending cuts that will never materialize is just stacking another chair on top of an already precarious pile of furniture that we've built up over the past 30 years in hopes of poking our head above the storm clouds. Anyone who buys into the lie of "too big to fail" gets what they have coming to them. The foolishness needs to end, albeit at a tragic cost to everyone.
So spending should be cut. Where should the axe fall?
Corporate welfare would seem to be a good place to start - a really, really good place, in fact - but I'm sure there are other places where money is spent that does not help the country, the people or the economy.
Maybe they should lead by example with an across the board 15% cut in legislators' salaries?
And are not special-interest tax loopholes a form of subsidy, whereby the remaining taxpayers shoulder the burden that is dodged by the lucky (and often rich) few?
But that's just tinkering round the edges. More cuts will be needed. What (else) should be lost?
Paul "Say no to feeping creaturism"
If a majority of the states / or federal law was enacted that any Senator or Representative ended their term with deficit spending was not allowed to be reelected or run for public office for four years - Problem solved.
It's simple grass roots. Nobody controls it, and I mean nobody. Various politicians and organizations have tried to coopt it through endorsement and financial support, but it still remains largely uncontrolled. Religious conservatives have tried to attach their social issues like abortion and homosexuality in order to leverage the tea party's popularity, and have failed.
It is nothing more than the general expression of anger at the fact that our spending is out of control, and that the consequences of continuing down this path will one day be devastating.
I am very happy that this is being threatened. It's going to take a confrontation this big in order to get the big-government Democrats AND Republicans (oh yes, they love big government too) to finally do something to avoid a total catastrophe a few dades down the road.
Compromise is overrated anyway. I want to put a tablespoon of shit in your yogurt. You don't want any shit in your yogurt. Okay, let's compromise and only put a teaspoon of shit in your yogurt. Are you happy with that? Is any compromise on the amount acceptable to you?
"after you count up all the loopholes and compare how much of their "income" actually gets taxed at the much lower Capital Gains rates, actually pay less in taxes than the middle class do?"
I won't talk rates, I'll talk what's actually paid. Definition: Middle class has a broad definition, but I'll take $30,000-$100,000, which covers the span of most definitions and gives you a large middle class with which to make your argument.
The top 10% of earners, above 114,000, pay 70% of all income taxes. So, no, the middle class pays less than the rich. The lower 50%, below $33,000, pays almost nothing.
Short-term capital gains taxes go up with your tax bracket, and the rate is the same. Even if you bought something at $10,000 and a few laters it grew with inflation to $10,500, you still have to pay tax on the $500 even though you technically didn't make any money. Long-term rates are less in order to offset inflation losses and encourage long-term investment that helps the economy over quick flipping.
Obviously the rich are more likely to invest, so I'm pretty sure it's a safe bet to say that top 25% pay almost all capital gains taxes.
So, what's you're saying is that it's a Vast Right Wing conspiracy, where people have been instructed by a cable news channel to head to slashdot, obtain mod points "with a ton of fake accounts" all in an effort to? What? Silence the opposition by modding them offtopic?
Well, let's tackle the first piece of this: trolls have in the past created "mod farms" by creating a few hundred accounts to collect mod points and software to manage all of these accounts and easily use them for posting and modding. I know this because some guys I knew on IRC built one back in 2003 or so. Their modus operandi was primarily trolling; they'd post outrageous stuff looking to provoke posters into unhinged responses, use the mod farm to mod themselves up so that their comments were among the most prominent, and downmod folks who figured out that they were trolling.
So no, it wouldn't be a Vast Right Wing conspiracy; it would be a handful of guys with programming skills who built it for the lulz, but at least one of which also happens to be teabagger who just wants one side of the argument to "win."
So the real question is: if there is such a thing out there, active, how could we detect it? GP claims to have detected it by observing a pattern where an inordinate number of mod points were used to moderate comments ideologically. Well, then the question becomes whether there were really 300 mod points used that way (can we replicate GP's claimed observation?), and whether this is really inordinate, or just usual mod behavior on Slashdot.
The one I'm describing back in the day was detected because one of the dumber users decided to get into a modding match with the site admins. The admins have unlimited mod points, so apparently if you keep upmodding to 5 comments that they modded to -1 they will get suspicious, look at who's modding and what IP address they come from, and figure out what the game is.
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Bingo!
They pulled the same stunt TWICE now!
Reagan had all those crispy tax cuts too, while spending lots of cash. They planned it so that the President *after* all that would get stuck with a burst bubble economy, which is supposed to be the magic formula for a 1-term President. The only problem was that last round they mistimed it, so that "their guy" Bush Sr. got stuck with the fallout.
Remember it was Clinton who made some progress balancing things.
So then yes, they had an absolute blast playing War, "Staying the Course", while sticking Obama with the worst financial crisis in history?
How are these guys not impeached for gross negligence or perjury in office?
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Hear hear! We need some control over the likes of NPR and CBS (remember Memogate?) spouting their lies.
Oh, you probably meant Fox, as if they were the only ones that lied. You probably weren't thinking about the same standards being applied to your favorite liberal sources and their lies.
And those limits can be overwhelmed by a large response.
Or is the real news story that Americans are expressing something about their political parties for once?
I think the buried lead is that these systems weren't even built with the expectation that they'd be used by a significant number of voters.
"All these years believing you're the signified monkey, only to find out you're just a big hunk of nobody cares."
Whatever.
Same shit different administration. Is there any meaningful differences with this administration from the previous 3? Democrats bad, Republicans bad, Lady Gaga bad, etc. (And shut up, I do vote) Not that it really matters, they all screw up.
Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
Well i guess Arnie did so why not.
Right, so how are they not impeachable for gross irresponsibility? Walk out of a restaurant without paying you get the cops all over you. Walk out on a trillion dollar war and "oh, it's just politics".
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Enough of this drivel. What's fair? The 35% they pay now? The 39.6% they paid under Clinton? The 70% they paid under Kennedy? Or the 94% they paid under FDR?
The rich don't pay 35% of their income as taxes. That's the highest Federal marginal tax rate on ordinary income (e.g., salaries). For 2009, that rate applied to each dollar of ordinary income earned in excess of $372,951 for the year. The thing is that the truly rich avoid this 35% on most of their income by receiving most of their income as long term capital gains, which are taxed at 15%.
What you want to compare is effective tax rates, which is the true percentage of income paid as tax after all the math is done. Over the past few years, the 400 highest-income Americans have had an effective federal income tax rate of about 17-18%. For comparison, I make low six figures, and my effective tax rate is about 21%.
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The GOP would be more than happy to zero out public schooling. Rather, they would just move that money into hands of thier zealot friends to fund their madrassa-style christian academies.
Crew, maintenance, repair parts, airport fees and all those petroleum industry employees paid for with expensive jet fuel. Easily hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of dollars a year put into jobs for just one rich guy's desire to own a jet. And rich guys don't pay minimum wage for a flight crew since they like to remain among the living. IIRC, these jets tend to get redecorated when they change owners. That can cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars and more, and you and your coworkers keep your jobs for that much longer.
And yachts. Unfortunately we've kicked most private shipbuilding out of this country, but those hundred million dollar yachts still come with an operating cost of around 10% of the purchase price per year with a large crew, maintenance, fuel, and expensive berthing fees. Paul Allen's boat employs a crew of 60, including helicopter pilots, pumping $20 million a year into the economy.
If hackivists take down a site via DDoS in protest, it's illegal. If the President gets people riled up enough and brings down a website with brute mass, it's "letting your voice be heard."
Hear that Anonymous? If you want to avoid jail, go find a massive army of angry people with too much time on their hands.
is when a small fraction of a man actually thinks that his attempts at boosting is importance by mechanical enhancement is really of any concern to the government or any adults. Next time, try sticking some socks down your pants instead.
Don't forget government meddling in markets, providing the perverse incentive to create said corporate corruption. Don't forget Democrat Barney Frank's response when Bush was trying to tighten regulation on these corporations in 2003 to head off said mortgage crisis:
Meaningful regulation and enforcement was thus blocked.
Democrats have been riding on "Bush's fault" for years. Time to man up and take responsibility.
to share what you are smoking? It must be some pretty strong stuff.
Let's do something new here and ignore politics.
Every fiscally-responsible American knows that you can't just spend all kinds of money without the income to balance it. Balance. A balanced budget.
Point #1: No entity can be financially healthy without making more than it spends.
I own my own business, whose work, by nature, is not consistent. While I pay my employees VERY well so that they can live off of sporadic work, they collect unemployment during the lulls. Two months ago, I had a HUGE job come up, so I called them in to work. Two of them refused, because they want their 99 weeks of unemployment. This is a TRAVESTY. It is WRONG. This entitlement mentality that so many Americans have is driving us to the ground, and you just want to take MORE of the money that I earned?
Furthermore, we all know that there are hundreds of companies (big and small) who avoid taxes through hundreds of tax loopholes. Closing these loopholes, while maintaining the current tax rate would generate more revenue than increasing taxes without tax reform.
Points #2/3: While making more money is a valid option for achieving a balanced budget, the most reasonable first steps are to plug the leaks and unclog the income pipes before concluding that you need bigger pipes.
Side Fact #1: Even if you raise the tax rates for the top 2% all the way to 100%, we would STILL have a deficit budget. Raising taxes will NOT fix our spending problem.
Side Fact #2: We don't need until next November to fix the budget. Do you really think it takes 16 months to do? No. It only takes 16 months to pass this issue until after the 2012 elections. This is a political move.
My non-political solution:
Fill the holes in the tax code. Tighten up entitlements. Quit trying to tell me where and how to run my business, and let everyone decide for THEMSELVES what is the BEST way to spend their OWN money. Balance the national budget like every tax-paying American has to do, and screw your (generalization) bullshit, self-serving political agendas.
Because darn it, they're RIGHT! And if they're RIGHT, then the Democrats must be WRONG!
Humor aside for a moment, there is a kernel of truth in the hyperbole above... Today's (not excluding other eras, just not addressing them) Republican party is very much rooted in authoritarianism. A key part of authoritarianism is that the legitimate leader is Right, and authority flows down from there. That explains 2 things, among others...
1 - It's why there are so many attacks against Obama's legitimacy - the birther movement, etc.
2 - It's also why Obama can tout ideas that originated with Republicans, and suddenly they're Wrong!
In other words, if authority flows down from the legitimate leader, nothing the illegitimate leader does can possibly be right.
This is part of why in TV interviews, etc, Republicans sound so certain of their facts and convictions, regardless of the correctness of those facts. By that same token, Democrats are rooted in uncertain processes, consensus, discovery, and such. Therefore in public debate, you have a Republican who KNOWS he's right vs a Democrat who believes he's right. It's human nature to respond positively to that certainty.
Therefore, the Republicans have been very successful at blaming Democrats for the country's problems, regardless of any facts. It's all the more interesting when the Republicans could hold the Presidency, Senate, and House, and STILL blame the Democrats for the country's problems - and get away with it.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
Nobody is saying not to pay the restaurant, the Republican side is there will be no default, to pay the restaurant, we have to stop paying for netflix. Obama is saying we won't pay the restaurant knowing full well that we could pay the restaurant and take the much less severe consequences of having our netflix account cancelled. Thing is, no netflix isn't as scary as having the cops all over you, so it doesn't work as a political tool as well. Who's playing politics again?
If I can just reach out with my words and touch a butthole, just one, it will all be worth it.
Obama called on the American people to 'make your voice heard.' House Speaker John Boehner's website responded with a 'Server Too Busy' or 'Bad Request (Invalid Hostname)' message during parts of the day.
Which is bigger: The slashdot effect or the Obama effect?
Sell Canada back Alaska!
We'll even let you keep Palin!
Hypocrisy is the mother's milk of politics.
People rarely know they are committing hypocrisy when they do. Psychosis is the mother's milk of politics -- and for good reason. There is a bizarre logic to what is going on, and Karl Rove understands it far better then George Lakof.
40% income tax on all income above $30,000, and abolish all other taxes. The End.
In 2008, the top 0.1% (140,000 people) earned 10% of all income and paid 19% of all income taxes.
The top 1% (over $380,000) earned 20% of income and paid 38% of all taxes.
The top 5% (over $160,000) earned 35% of income and paid 59% of taxes.
Notice the trend, they all pay MORE in taxes than their percentage of earnings.
Now when you go below that, the top 5-10%, $114,000-$160,000, the percentage of earnings about equals the percentage of taxes paid at 11% each.
It gets flipped when you go below that, $67,000-$114,000 pays 16% of the taxes, but has 22% of the income.
$33,000 to $67,000 has 20% of the income, but pays 11% of the taxes.
You are already looking at a highly progressive tax structure.
Wouldn't you know it, the top 10% paid almost exactly 70% of the taxes, although earning only 46% of the income.
Probably because they're already paying a far higher precentage than everyone else.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html
All data from the IRS, raw data links on the page.
People -- S&P will down grade unless there are $4T in real savings. Neither plan does this.
The problem is over promising and the cuts need to happen now.
The bitter "get up/get down" battle, which has polarized the nation's funk community, is part of a long-running battle between the two factions, rooted in more than 35 years of conflict over the direction in which the American people should shake it.
Strangely appropriate. I wish it wasn't funny.
Your numbers are about correct for 2008. I am not contesting the reasonableness of the current situation either way. My problem is when demagogues such as Obama try to portray these people as greedy freeloaders who aren't paying their "fair share" when their tax burden is already quite disproportionally progressive.
Note also the historical trend from that page. Since 1980 (from before Reagan, starting in the Carter years) the top 5% have gone from paying 36% to 58% of income taxes, while their income has gone from 21% to 34%. Notice the expanding gap between income earned and taxes paid, was 15%, and is now 24%. We have become steadily more progressive over the years, and Obama still says they're not paying their "fair share."
It's pure unabashed class warfare demagoguery.
That is quite the loophole that needs to be closed.
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He's the one who has threatened that people might not get their checks.
The other side (which includes some Democrats) is trying to get him to accept a plan that will have some hope of putting this country back on track to solvency.
And you have to promise to keep her off TV.
If we confiscated the ENTIRE net worth of the Forbes 400 richest people in America, we would get $1.4 trillion, barely enough to cover the 2010 deficit.
Then we're left screwed for next year because we will not have gotten our spending under control.
high crimes and misdemeanors. Those are defined by the very body in question. Of course it only applies to regular folk. Haven't you heard, the king/Queen can do no wrong.
The "tax break" on "jets" was part of Obama's own stimulus plan. What a hypocrite.
The "tax break" was really accelerated depreciation on private aircraft, all the way down to two-person, single-engine Pipers, not just big jets. The company still pays in full, but they get to write off the depreciation faster. This was meant to spur jobs in a very delicate industry that was still reeling from 9/11 and had been hit very hard by the recession because their regular customers were too worried about spending that kind of money in that economic environment.
It worked, too. Orders shot up and jobs were saved all across the country. The government probably made more tax revenue from the jobs and airplane manufacturers than it lost on the depreciation.
And we do have tax breaks for washing machines in the form of energy saver tax credits and rebates.
Actually, it was. The debt problem goes all the way back to allowing the Federal government to define legal tender. And then on top of that to make it paper.
It WAS set up to be 50 different nations, it's just that little thing called the Civil war that messed it up. They ended up doing the wrong thing (strong federal government) for the right reasons (US style slavery is evil).
If they don't authorize it by law, then any debt above the current authorized amount is simply not valid and can be questioned. Right now they're trying to authorize more debt by law so that further debt will be valid and not questioned. It doesn't say we can't default on payments on the current debt.
The Constitution is really very simple. It's people twisting it to mean what they want as opposed to what's in the text that makes it complicated.
It's not us that don't care, it's you. We care more about maintaining the financial credibility of the United States of America than trying to stay elected. If the debt ceiling is raised, the "gimme my handout" democrats will just spend that too. I say screw all the special interests; get your money grubbing fists OFF MY WALLET!. We can fix this all in one swell foop: Make it illegal for the federal government to tax the people.
There are several ways to get rid of cancer:
Excise it. -- (Civil war)
Burn it. (Rioting, massive civil disobedience)
Stop blood from getting to it, by clamping the arteries that lead to it. (Don't raise the debt ceiling)
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An order of magnitude can make a big difference. As far as I can tell, your MPs have about as much staff as one of our Representatives, so about all ours have time for is to look at the topic of the correspondence and return the form letter for that topic.
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Our money IS debt. That means we pay our bills... with debt. We use Our Visa to pay Master Card. How then do we pay Visa? With our Discover Card.
If you're the deeply interested type watch The Money Masters.
If you are short on time watch Money As Debt.
Until we fix what our money IS, we'll be doing this over and over, and at faster rates and with bigger sums.
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So many posts like the score:5 up top are weak minds towing their party line. They can't see the writing on the wall. Thing's *have* to change. The way I see it, we have few options going forward:
-cut spending, pay down debt. escape.
-raise debt ceiling, continue towards financial oblivion.
Afaict most of the US debt is denominated in US dollars so the US governement also has the option of "printing" their way out of it (either directly or by ordering the federal reserve to lend money to them at a defined rate).
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There is a reason long-term capital gains taxes are lower. One, it's incentive to invest, which keeps companies going, which keeps and makes jobs. Second, capital gains have already gone through business taxes and have taken a hit for inflation. A lower tax rate compensates for these built-in losses to investments.
I'm rich and invest $1 million in an average stock. It made 10% in a year and I pull out the $100,000 profit. I pay my full 35% income tax on that, $35,000, for a supposedly realized profit of $65,000.
But what about inflation? The 2.3% inflation rate carved $23,000 of the value out of my $1 million in that year. After taxes my inflation-adjusted profit is only $42,000. The government, through its inflationary monetary policy and taxes, just effectively took 58%.
Now let's do it with the 15% capital gains tax. I make $100,000, tax is $15,000, inflation loss is $23,000, I get $62,000. The government, through inflation and taxes, took 38%, a bit higher than my income tax rate, but at least in the same ballpark so as to make sense.
This inflation compensation doesn't count much in normal non-invested income because you make it this year, you spend it this year. Investments can get killed by inflation as shown above, so capital gains tax eases that. This makes investment, a necessary driver of our economy and the source of almost everybody's retirement funds, more attractive.
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China men's basketball team lost to Australia 62-69 final, tomorrow's men's basketball final name will be battles 3,4 Russia. China men's basketball team 52-67 in a game on the big team lost jordan shoes to Turkey, to meet the night after the game summed up the Chinese team, Wang Shipeng, said today's match then the audience will see 12 Wolf, team an opening to show a very good condition, Yi Jianlian and Wang Shipeng air jordan shoes scored a goal each for the Chinese team has, the Chinese team is defensive end golf ball, Yi Jianlian grabbed the offensive rebound buckle up after the Chinese team finished 8-0 start forced the Australian team cheap jordans request suspended. Australia getting hold its ground after a pause, the Chinese team in the fate of Wang Shipeng and let the United Arab offensive momentum weakened, tied the game at end of the first 15 levels. Second period,womens jordans both in the field is intense, but experienced a climax after the opening attack on the Chinese team at this time seems to have staying power, the Australian team gradually go-ahead score, the Chinese team 28-34 at halftime behind 6 points. After the start of the first half of the jordan shoes for sale game for the Chinese team Wang Shipeng hit the third, but the Australian attack on the core of Yi Jianlian's Chinese team is very strong double-team, the United Arab attacks have hampered the side-effect Cheap Jordan shoes is not the team's offensive efficiency high, approaching men's basketball has never been able to points difference.
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