Chinese Propaganda Accidentally Reveals Cyberwar

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Chinese Propaganda Accidentally Reveals Cyberwar

Posted by Unknown on Tuesday August 23, 2011 @07:38AM from the us-replies-with-ping-of-death dept.

An anonymous reader writes "A Chinese military propaganda video aired in mid-July inadvertently showed a Chinese military university launching cyberattacks against U.S. websites. The Epoch Times reports the video shows 'custom-built Chinese software apparently launching a cyber-attack against the main website of the Falun Gong spiritual practice, by using a compromised IP address belonging to a United States university.' A screen in the video also reveals 'the name of the software and the Chinese university that built it, the Electrical Engineering University of China's People's Liberation Army.'"

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Script kiddies, seriously China? by elrous0 · 2011-08-23 06:10 · Score: 4, Funny

Apparently China's best and brightest hackers need a GUI with drop-down menus and a big "Attack" button.
The sleeping dragon is strong indeed. I wonder if they have a "Pull trigger to fire" sticker on their rifles too.

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1. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by drolli · 2011-08-23 07:49 · Score: 1
  
  probably its an easy way to get research money. You just put some visual basic front end on some readily available tools and convince the military that now every soldier can take part in cyber-warfare. To update the list you as for more research money. To make it portable (html5 front end) you ask for more money.
2. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by gnick · 2011-08-23 07:55 · Score: 5, Interesting
  
  Blatant sub-kiddie-script level hacking by the Chinese government (possibly the best funded cyber-warfare division on the planet) against the Falun Gong being "exposed" by a web site created by the Falun Gong? I wonder why my Spidey-Sense is tingling?
  
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3. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by osu-neko · 2011-08-23 08:01 · Score: 2
  
  Blatant sub-kiddie-script level hacking by the Chinese government (possibly the best funded cyber-warfare division on the planet) against the Falun Gong being "exposed" by a web site created by the Falun Gong? I wonder why my Spidey-Sense is tingling?
  It's good that it's tingling, but I have to say, you don't seriously think the Chinese government is any less incompetent than other governments, do you? I fully expect "the best funded [whatever] of [any world government]" to always look rather primitive and poorly implemented compared to anything I could whip up in five minutes with what I have lying around the house. I have the benefit of not being a committee, after all...
  
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4. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by Applekid · 2011-08-23 08:02 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  Apparently China's best and brightest hackers need a GUI with drop-down menus and a big "Attack" button.
  The sleeping dragon is strong indeed. I wonder if they have a "Pull trigger to fire" sticker on their rifles too.
  For the same reason not every single soldier knows how to make a rifle from raw materials. It's up to the weapon designers to build it and make it simple for the ground troops to use.
  Save the script-resistant sites (opponent military computers, etc) for the special ops, let the butts-in-seats brigade cause general casualties around the commercial non-hardened sites.
  
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5. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by DarthVain · 2011-08-23 08:16 · Score: 1
  
  I don't know why, but it reminds me of Snow Crash for some reason.
6. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by squidflakes · 2011-08-23 08:22 · Score: 1, Offtopic
  
  He came in steep, fueled by self-loathing. When the Kuang program met the first of the defenders, scattering the leaves of light, he felt the shark thing lose a degree of substantiality, the fabric of information loosening. And then — old alchemy of the brain and its vast pharmacy — his hate flowed into his hands. In the instant before he drove Kuang's sting through the base of the first tower, he attained a level of proficiency exceeding anything he'd known or imagined. Beyond ego, beyond personality, beyond awareness, he moved, Kuang moving with him, evading his attackers with an ancient dance, Hideo's dance, grace of the mind-body interface granted him, in that second, by the clarity and singleness of his wish to die.
7. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by iamhassi · 2011-08-23 08:22 · Score: 2
  
  probably its an easy way to get research money. You just put some visual basic front end on some readily available tools and convince the military that now every soldier can take part in cyber-warfare. To update the list you as for more research money. To make it portable (html5 front end) you ask for more money.
  Are you accusing the Chinese of making elaborate fake software? The Chinese would never sell something that was fake.
  
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8. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by Thud457 · 2011-08-23 09:20 · Score: 1
  
  Well, look at it this way, China has like 1,300,000,000 people, give or take a few million. 50% of them are by definition below average. You do the math.
  
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9. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by drnb · 2011-08-23 09:22 · Score: 1
  
  And another on the barrel "Point this side to the enemy".
  Guess what is molded into the front side of the U.S. Claymore mine in big raised letters that can read or detected by touch: "FRONT TOWARD ENEMY"
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claymore_mine
10. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by asdf7890 · 2011-08-23 09:23 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Yep. Remember this is the same Government who use top Gun footage as evidence of a successful AA missile deployment test and hoped no-one would notice.
11. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by DrBoumBoum · 2011-08-23 09:35 · Score: 1
  
  Like the "read manual before use" advise carved on the side of (some?) American guns?
12. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by Superken7 · 2011-08-23 09:37 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Yeah, I thought that too.
  But now on second thought, it makes perfect sense.
  Skilled hackers can work on new stuff and on more important stuff, while unskilled "soldiers" can just use the tools to cause damage. Remember, not being l33t does not equal not being effective. As we have seen again and again, script kiddies have always been able to do successful attacks. Many defacers, as lame as they are, succeed in their goal of defacing websites. One member scans, another one prepares a message, the other hacks the website and uploads the material, etc..
  It becomes apparent that maybe this "section" does not intend to be cool or l337, but effective.
13. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by DriedClexler · 2011-08-23 09:56 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Based on the summary, it seems like you could at least partly corroborate the video by checking whether the "American university" mentioned really did have that IP address compromised, and who would have known about this when.
  
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14. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by Lifyre · 2011-08-23 10:24 · Score: 1
  
  You apparently haven't used U.S. Military equipment. It's not a sticker, it's usually stamped or engraved in. Some of our directional explosives have "This Side Toward Enemy" or "Not a Step" as part of the casting.
  
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15. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by Eponymous+Hero · 2011-08-23 10:43 · Score: 1
  
  yeah, we know, we play call of duty modern warfare too. yawn.
  
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16. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by hairyfeet · 2011-08-23 10:51 · Score: 1
  
  Does it run on VB? Then at least they would be up to the level of "quality" of our CSI! After all they can do ANYTHING with VB! Why MSFT would abandon such a miracle is anybody's guess. They must have feared the Chinese would get a hold of it!
  
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17. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by drnb · 2011-08-23 10:54 · Score: 1
  
  yeah, we know, we play call of duty modern warfare too. yawn.
  Clue: Some people have experience beyond a video game and such markings are deadly serious and greatly appreciated by those working in the dark, they are not a punchline.
18. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by Kittenman · 2011-08-23 11:01 · Score: 1
  
  Rather than some Old Testament verse? http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/us_trijicon_rifle_scopes_in_iraq_and_afghanistan_f.php
  
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19. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by Cwix · 2011-08-23 11:13 · Score: 1
  
  If you had ever been to war you would understand that it says that, so you don't blow yourself up in vast amount of confusion that accompanies war. Bombs, dirt, gunfire, explosions, yelling, screaming, etc. make it extremely easy to accidentally install the damn thing backwards.
  
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20. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by drnb · 2011-08-23 11:17 · Score: 1
  
  Exactly. My point is that such markings are not punchlines for a joke. They are deadly serious and greatly appreciated.
21. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by lennier · 2011-08-23 11:35 · Score: 2
  
  I fully expect "the best funded [whatever] of [any world government]" to always look rather primitive and poorly implemented compared to anything I could whip up in five minutes with what I have lying around the house.
  
  Right, I'm sure you have a full thermonuclear arsenal in your basement. Governments are good at some things, that's how come they get to stay "the government" and not, eg, "the former regime which just got toppled by some guy in a T-shirt and a popgun".
  
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22. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by IonOtter · 2011-08-23 11:36 · Score: 1
  
  100. Claymore mines are not filled with yummy candy, and it is wrong to tell new soldiers that they are.
  
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23. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by poena.dare · 2011-08-23 13:13 · Score: 1
  
  Oh yeah, that was the quote I started to look for but I gots sidetracked.
24. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by drnb · 2011-08-23 13:52 · Score: 2
  
  A kiddie tried to make a joke literally using "Point this side to the enemy" as his punchline. I pointed out that such markings are not jokes, they can be quite real and rational, deadly serious. If you experienced a woosh moment and thought my post was something else, well too bad.
25. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by romanm · 2011-08-23 17:36 · Score: 1
  
  I wonder if they have a "Pull trigger to fire" sticker on their rifles too.
  I hope that you won't have to find that one out.
26. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by drolli · 2011-08-23 18:09 · Score: 1
  
  Its not fake software. Attaching a gui to some tool is work. It can serve to reduce the number of the people involved in the specific attack.
27. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by Databass · 2011-08-23 19:29 · Score: 1
  
  Exactly. "A single zergling is unskilled! My elite base can easily stop one!!"
28. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by elrous0 · 2011-08-24 02:01 · Score: 1
  
  This first time I ever saw a Claymore and saw that, I laughed my ass off. It occurred to me that the fact that they had to put that on there must mean that they had enough soldiers make that mistake to make it worth spelling out explicitly. Maybe in the early days they just handed Claymores out with no training, necessitating the "Hey dipshit, you've got it backwards" warning label.
  
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29. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by mjwalshe · 2011-08-24 02:51 · Score: 1
  
  well if you deploying a claymore in a hurry you really don't want to get front and back confused
30. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by black+soap · 2011-08-24 03:22 · Score: 1
  
  I've heard from Vietnam vets that some claymores issued to US Marines also had the warning "do not eat."
31. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by omnichad · 2011-08-24 03:38 · Score: 1
  
  I thought you HAD to write a gui in Visual Basic to track an IP address http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU
32. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by Lifyre · 2011-08-24 03:48 · Score: 1
  
  They did/do but it isn't part of the actual claymore but part of the packaging iirc.
  
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33. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by drnb · 2011-08-24 05:05 · Score: 1
  
  Personally I think its more likely to be there to put the soldier at ease and make him move more quickly and be less fearful about using the weapon. Without such labeling there would be a lot more double and triple checking, and second guessing before actuating the device. Especially in the dark.
34. Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? by Deliveranc3 · 2011-08-25 14:39 · Score: 1
  
  You're idiots if you think they use their real tools outside of a war.
WTF? Pre-post comment. by suso · 2011-08-23 07:38 · Score: 1, Interesting

Speaking of hacking, you posted over an hour before the article release time? How did you do this? I know you have a subscription, but so do I and I've always had to wait to comment until the article publish time. Hacked Slashdot lately?
1. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by elrous0 · 2011-08-23 07:40 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  Because I'm so fucking awesome I can now post into the future.
  
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  SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
2. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by elrous0 · 2011-08-23 07:42 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  Okay, actually, this article was originally posted at about 2 pm, but got bumped for the earthquake story. I got the one comment in before it got bumped, apparently.
  But I'm still fucking awesome.
  
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3. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by Reverand+Dave · 2011-08-23 07:43 · Score: 1
  
  They posted->archived->reposted the article leading to the time shift.
  
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4. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by Dahamma · 2011-08-23 07:43 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  And I read his comment right after he posted it, tried to reply, and it was rejected due to an "unknown error". Then the entire article disappeared for an hour.
  I was beginning to think Chinese hackers took it down...
5. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by suso · 2011-08-23 07:45 · Score: 1
  
  Ah ok. I've seen this happen maybe twice before. Honestly, I don't think its really necessary. Is it really ever that slow of a news day for geeks? (rhetorical question)
6. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by PIBM · 2011-08-23 07:45 · Score: 1
  
  I had the same WTF moment lol :)
7. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by Kreylix · 2011-08-23 07:48 · Score: 1
  
  ...actually, they were the ones who caused the earthquake. Next time, they'll hit DC on the nose. Our base is theirs.
8. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by sexconker · 2011-08-23 07:50 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  ...actually, they were the ones who caused the earthquake. Next time, they'll hit DC on the nose. Our base is theirs.
  And nothing of value would be lost.
9. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by Xaedalus · 2011-08-23 07:56 · Score: 1
  
  But I'm still fucking awesome.
  Hope he's still tight up there. After a while he tends to wear thin.
  
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10. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by aliquis · 2011-08-23 07:56 · Score: 1
  
  Wouldn't that be history?
11. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by Sinning · 2011-08-23 08:01 · Score: 1
  
  Only if it happened before he posted.
12. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by Kreigaffe · 2011-08-23 08:16 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  actually, if they hit DC, we just declare the disaster so severe that the united states no longer exists -- they killed the beast! -- and then pick up right where we left off with USA2.
  Minus all our debt to them.
  Because that was USA1.
  
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13. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by iamhassi · 2011-08-23 08:19 · Score: 1
  
  maybe he got the article from the firehose? I've commented on articles in the firehose 24 hours before they go live on /. and I don't have a subscription.
  
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14. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by AragornSonOfArathorn · 2011-08-23 08:36 · Score: 1
  
  Speaking of hacking, you posted over an hour before the article release time? How did you do this? I know you have a subscription, but so do I and I've always had to wait to comment until the article publish time. Hacked Slashdot lately?
  -1st post!
  
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15. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by Tanktalus · 2011-08-23 09:01 · Score: 1
  
  It's her stage name.
16. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by Jaysyn · 2011-08-23 09:19 · Score: 1
  
  Brilliant!
  
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17. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by erroneus · 2011-08-23 10:40 · Score: 1
  
  What? No 1.21GW of power? No 66MPH rate of travel? I'm really disappointed now.
18. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by erroneus · 2011-08-23 10:41 · Score: 1
  
  I think you mean "...as a hole"
19. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by Jeremiah+Cornelius · 2011-08-23 10:45 · Score: 1
  
  China has AWESOME OS/2 POWERS!!!!
  
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20. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by rtb61 · 2011-08-23 19:25 · Score: 1
  
  Point to mention, who are worse, the corrupt people that pay the bribes or the politicians that pay them. Keep in mind, all those bad decisions, all the theft, all the corrupt laws, were all decided and framed by people living outside of Washington. You want to take action against someone, taking on the puppeteers rather than the puppets is more effective as there are plenty of lying jackasses out their quite content to take on the role of puppet.
  
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21. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by Vrtigo1 · 2011-08-24 01:02 · Score: 1
  
  You know, I'm surprised someone in congress hasn't proposed this yet. After all, when your company is drowning in debt, you just cut it loose and start another one. Why not with a country? Of course, that would nullify all of our treaties and such, and give the current government a chance to rewrite the constitution which would probably be a really bad thing. Probably not worth the current debt.
22. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by elrous0 · 2011-08-24 01:53 · Score: 1
  
  USA II
  This time, it's personal....
  A Michael Bay film
  
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23. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by elrous0 · 2011-08-24 01:54 · Score: 1
  
  I'm a power top.
  
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24. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by poodlehat · 2011-08-24 02:06 · Score: 1
  
  Eh, he probably had to convert from KM and got the math wrong. ;-)
25. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by _0xd0ad · 2011-08-24 03:08 · Score: 1
  
  Oh sure, you can read the firehose. Comments you post on submissions there don't transition to the article if it posts, though.
26. Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. by isorox · 2011-08-26 04:53 · Score: 1
  
  Okay, actually, this article was originally posted at about 2 pm, but got bumped for the earthquake story. I got the one comment in before it got bumped, apparently.
  Earthquakes do cause things to bump around. At least it didn't fall over.
Streamlined by Reverand+Dave · 2011-08-23 07:45 · Score: 1

Its another example of China streamlining a process and using it in their war against the rest of the planet. Like gold farming or melanin tainted baby formula.

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1. Re:Streamlined by Anonymous Coward · 2011-08-23 07:50 · Score: 2, Interesting
  
  I think you mean melamine-tainted. Melanin is something else - not an industrial plastic used* to mimic protein for certain chemical tests.
  (* also used to make bowls and plates and stuff like that.)
2. Re:Streamlined by dyingtolive · 2011-08-23 07:56 · Score: 1
  
  Makes a great dry erase surface too. There's a special place in hell for the bastards that put it in baby formula.
  
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3. Re:Streamlined by Reverand+Dave · 2011-08-23 09:34 · Score: 1
  
  Yes, melamine, sorry. Thank you fro the correction.
  
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4. Re:Streamlined by ArhcAngel · 2011-08-23 09:39 · Score: 1
  
  Are you suggesting the Chinese government is trying to turn the world population black?
  
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5. Re:Streamlined by _4rp4n3t · 2011-08-23 11:50 · Score: 3, Funny
  
  Thank you fro the correction.
  I think you mean....ah, never mind.
6. Re:Streamlined by Reverand+Dave · 2011-08-24 02:53 · Score: 1
  
  Fun way to realize there is no edit button after you click submit I must admit.
  
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Epoch Times founded by Falun Gong by Anonymous Coward · 2011-08-23 07:46 · Score: 4, Informative

There's one detail to bear in mind when you read the article from The Epoch Times.
From wikipedia: The The Epoch Times was founded in 1999 by supporters of the Falun Gong spiritual discipline. [...] The newspaper is heavily critical of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and policies of the Chinese government.
1. Re:Epoch Times founded by Falun Gong by NeutronCowboy · 2011-08-23 08:03 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Good point. However, the entire video is online on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Wu1HlZbBk&feature=youtu.be&t=36s. The interesting bits start at 36 seconds in. Anyone who speaks Chinese care to take a look at the entire thing to check for authenticity? The channel owner who uploaded the youtubee video seems to be fairly pro-China, but who knows... I have no idea what's going on in the entire thing. For all I know, this could be a video for how to create VB apps for a call center.
  
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2. Re:Epoch Times founded by Falun Gong by Tarsir · 2011-08-23 09:08 · Score: 1
  
  My coworker is Chinese, and happened to drop into my cubicle while I was looking at the article. He confirmed that it was authentic.
3. Re:Epoch Times founded by Falun Gong by GameboyRMH · 2011-08-23 10:25 · Score: 1
  
  LOL that was hilarious, especially the Matrix screensavers, the thermal-vision view of a guy typing on a keyboard, and the random inclusion of everyday Outlook tasks.
  
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4. Re:Epoch Times founded by Falun Gong by Anonymous Coward · 2011-08-23 11:38 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  dude the video comes from state chinese media: http://military.cntv.cn/program/jskj/20110717/100139.shtml
hmmm by Nyall · 2011-08-23 07:49 · Score: 1

I'm wondering who is responsible for the Falun Gong website and where they live?
It'd be pretty hilarious to see a lawsuit in US courts against the Chinese government going after Chinese government property. (US debt)

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1. Re:hmmm by Nyall · 2011-08-24 03:03 · Score: 1
  
  And that's billions of dollars right?
  
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So Now It's Official: So What? by cmholm · 2011-08-23 07:50 · Score: 1, Insightful

So, now the cat is officially out of the bag. So, what? We already knew there was something up. Are we going to sail gunboats up the creek at Guangzhou and shell some forts? Blockade their ports? Embargo their trade? No. Hell, we still gave them control of a root DNS node, even though it's obvious this gives them added offensive capability. Really, all this might do is tweak the language in subsequent news reports when Chinese attacks occur. They'll still deny them, but now that there is an (inadvertently) officially acknowledged offensive capability, the categorical denials won't carry as much weight.

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Do we... by Anonymous Coward · 2011-08-23 07:50 · Score: 1

Do we still have to pay them back the money we owe them if they are attacking us? Can we just call it even?
1. Re:Do we... by aliquis · 2011-08-23 08:07 · Score: 1
  
  You can ignore paying back anyone.
  Just don't think they will lend you anything in the future.
2. Re:Do we... by Cwix · 2011-08-23 11:19 · Score: 1
  
  That's cool.
  Hey Germany, buddy, pal. How have you been?
  Hows Poland and Chech doing?
  Good, good.
  Hey, you think we could borrow 20 billion?
  
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3. Re:Do we... by gatkinso · 2011-08-23 11:58 · Score: 1
  
  As posted below, not to mention the value of American securities goes in the toilet... ...and regardless of what you have heard the 3 largest holders of American debt are in order 1) America 2) China 3) Japan
  So we end up screwing ourselves, not to mention the second and third largest economies on earth, one of which is our ally.
  
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weird by nomadic · 2011-08-23 07:50 · Score: 3, Informative

The Chinese government has a weird obsession with Falun Gong, which I don't quite understand. I was in Flushing, Queens the other week and there was actually this whole (unmanned) table with signs, flyers, etc., blasting the Falun Gong as this insanely dangerous cult. I can't imagine who set it up other than the Chinese government.
1. Re:weird by 93+Escort+Wagon · 2011-08-23 08:01 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  A fair number of Chinese students seem to buy into the official party line, part and parcel. Over the past few years we've had some small demonstrations at the University of Washington by these students, protesting US media "lies" regarding Falung Gong, Tibet and/or the Dalai Lama, etc.
  
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2. Re:weird by Anonymous Coward · 2011-08-23 08:02 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  That's pretty much my reaction about folks who are rabidly against Scientology. I don't get it. Pin someone down as to why they're so against it and they make vague references to someone somewhere being killed or something by a Scientologist. The same can be said about any religion.
  Anyway, back to Falun Gong. Here's what a Chinese ex-pat told me.
  The Falun Gong very quickly organized tens of thousands of people to gather - doesn't matter that all they did was meditate - and it scared the shit out of the Chinese leadership. The ability to get that many people together that fast and under the noses of the leadership is extremely worrying to them. THAT put them on the leadership's shit list.
  It's was interesting how he talked about the Chinese leadership. It was almost like a teenager talking about their overly strict and uptight parents. "Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll be back by eleven - whatever." Rolls eyes.
  .... except when they execute someone for something ...
3. Re:weird by vlm · 2011-08-23 08:07 · Score: 1
  
  The Chinese government has a weird obsession with Falun Gong, which I don't quite understand.
  They demand there must be no national organization other than the party.
  For a USA analogy, look how much daytime TV hosts LOOOOVE the internet. Their viewers are treated to endless FUD and terror tactics about the evils of the internet, and how the village moron would be perfectly safe if only there were no internet. There must be no popular media but the mainstream media. Same idea.
  
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4. Re:weird by ElectricTurtle · 2011-08-23 08:16 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  Falun Gong calls attention to how the Chinese Communist Party acts in opposition to many traditional Chinese values. This is incredibly seditious considering that the CCP relies on the Chinese achieving more or less blind unity based on what are pushed as shared cultural values.
  
  I was recently watching a CCTV documentary on the Seven Scholars of the Bamboo Grove, and like everything on CCTV I always start wondering 'what is their political angle?' And sure enough, they were primarily focusing on the Seven Scholars deliberate avoidance in politics and how that preserved them when others were being purged for their intrigues. The CCP wants people to avoid politics as much as possible, which includes any criticism of the government.
  
  Falun Gong questions the morality of the government and the CCP within the tradition three dimensional contexts of Chinese morality: Confucianism, Taoism, and Buddhism. Even though China is a very secular society, these criticisms are very seriously taken by the CCP, which is always living in fear of losing control.
  
  If you're really interested you could look into the Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party (which is banned in China) and the Tuidang Movement. Both of which are sourced in Falun Gong and do have an air of propaganda to them at times, but a thinking person can still find useful information even among such chaff.
  
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5. Re:weird by countertrolling · 2011-08-23 08:16 · Score: 1
  
  Falun Gong = Al Qaeda
  
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6. Re:weird by couchslug · 2011-08-23 08:17 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  Religion is toxic, and one of the great accomplishments of the Maoists was to damage its influence in China.
  While it is rare that a national government is in the enviable position to oppose superstition, I support their efforts against backwardness. One day anti-religion may be regarded as visionary.
  
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7. Re:weird by shugah · 2011-08-23 08:17 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  It's funny - in Vancouver Falun Gong has had a permanent protest camp in front of the Chinese Consul General's compound on Granville Street for 10 years. It caused the city a lot of embarrassment when the city went to court to remove the permanent protest "hut", won at the BC Supreme Court but was over turned on appeal. They went back to the drawing board to draft a new bylaw that would outlaw permanent protest structures in residential neighbourhoods (Consul General is in Shaughnessy - a very wealthy residential neighbourhood) but allowed them in commercial areas. The city was embarrassed again when it came to light that the city manager consulted with the Chinese Consulate on drafting the bylaw. We should allow the Chinese government to advise us on how to handle a free speech? I expect the new bylaw will also be challenged as the consul general promotes trade and issues visas - so if they are conducting commercial activity, regardless of the residential zoning, protest structures should be allowed.
  
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8. Re:weird by Baloroth · 2011-08-23 08:19 · Score: 1
  
  That's pretty much my reaction about folks who are rabidly against Scientology. I don't get it. Pin someone down as to why they're so against it and they make vague references to someone somewhere being killed or something by a Scientologist. The same can be said about any religion.
  How about work camps? Essentially labor camps for people in Scientology who break certain rules. I've heard pretty bad things about them, but admittedly they were third hand. Still, Scientology reeks of cultism. Have no idea about Falun Gong though.
  
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9. Re:weird by Anonymous Coward · 2011-08-23 08:31 · Score: 1
  
  Yeah and they managed to slaughter a good 60 to 100 million people too.
  Rot in hell you f%$k.
10. Re:weird by ElectricTurtle · 2011-08-23 08:34 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  I don't like religions either, but if the choice is freedom and religion or neither, I'll keep on tolerating religion.
  
  People may be wrong, but to force them to be right through prosecuting thought crimes is a disgusting dystopia that I will not accept.
  
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11. Re:weird by geekoid · 2011-08-23 08:35 · Score: 2
  
  " I don't get it. "
  let me spell it out for you:
  1) They use a variety of mental tricks to get you to join.
  2) They hound there member to go into debt to pay for the next course
  3) The pressure people to leave their families
  4) When people at to leave, they are harass, as are there friends and family members
  5) They spread medical lies that kill people.
  6) The use people figures to manipulate the truth about their cult.
  7) They abuse the court system in mass when someone says or does something they don't like.
  8) They will lie and do anything to back up there 'belief'.
  
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12. Re:weird by LordLimecat · 2011-08-23 08:40 · Score: 1
  
  The chinese government isnt really a fan of any large, independent organization that it cannot directly control.
13. Re:weird by LordLimecat · 2011-08-23 08:43 · Score: 1
  
  Pin someone down as to why they're so against it and they make vague references to someone somewhere being killed or something by a Scientologist.
  
  5 minutes on wikipedia or operation clambake turns up some worrying things on them. Of course thats true for most organizations, but then while you ponder that you can watch as the CoS fires off a C&D to wikipedia and operation clambake.
  Thats basically it, they react violently to any criticism, bringing the law and whatever else they can muster down on the heads of anyone who dares criticize them. That seems to make them worthy of "a reaction".
14. Re:weird by LordLimecat · 2011-08-23 08:47 · Score: 1
  
  You act as if it would be possible to have freedom without allowing others to practice religion....
  Care to explain?
15. Re:weird by geekoid · 2011-08-23 08:48 · Score: 1
  
  When you are a government, any government, and within your borders there is a group that on the drop of a hat could have a million people doing whatever said organisations wants, it's worrisome.
  Cults aren't really none for their respect of others. Look at Jamestown. The fanatic believers put everyone else to death at gun point.
  Now, that i n NO WAY excuse Chinas treatment of the people, just why it would make them nervous. Of course, because China is rather suppressive*, it's easy to point to them as the bad guys without think of the goals or motivations of the people they are in contention with.
  *not to be confused with suppresive people in Scientology - the a SP is someone who encourages people to think for them selves. They are compared to Hitler and others(PTS) are separated from them.
  
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16. Re:weird by ElectricTurtle · 2011-08-23 08:52 · Score: 1
  
  No, I'm allowing for the albeit incredibly unlikely possibility that people would stop following superstitious nonsense voluntarily. I can dream, at least while there are no thought crimes.
  
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17. Re:weird by the+linux+geek · 2011-08-23 08:59 · Score: 1
  
  What a disgusting comment.
18. Re:weird by Zumbs · 2011-08-23 09:01 · Score: 1
  
  Try looking into the Boxer Rebellion. Then take a look at Falun Gong. See the resemblence? Get why the Chinese government is proactively cracking down on Falun Gong before Falun Gong get into a position where they can stage a rebellion?
  
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19. Re:weird by Anonymous Coward · 2011-08-23 09:02 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  I guess what they don't understand is that in free countries we tend to ignore religious organizations no matter how crazy their beliefs may be unless they commit actual crimes (like breaking labor laws, child molestation, tax fraud, etc.). We may worry about malicious cults developing, but that's about it. The simple matter of believing something weird isn't criminal, no matter how whacked out, and most democratic constitutions protect freedom of religion including not practicing any religion at all. It's the actions that matter, not the underlying beliefs. And in that respect Falung Gong is probably less harmful than Scientology, and Scientology still exists, so trying to demonize the Falung Gong movement is going to be pretty futile.
  The reality is, the Chinese government is probably more worried about other Chinese students finding out about Falung Gong or other religions while studying abroad, so they feel obliged to encourage students that tow the party line to "protest" and discourage others from even looking. I don't think the audience for the protests is really people in the host country.
  There's considerable irony in the fact that China is taking advantage of the fact that protests like these are allowed in free and democratic countries, but probably wouldn't be at home unless they happened to align with party doctrine. They'll happily use freedom of expression in other countries, but goodness no, not at home.
20. Re:weird by ElectricTurtle · 2011-08-23 09:04 · Score: 1
  
  I think you mean Jonestown. Jamestown was the first English colony to survive in North America.
  
  But yes, it's no different in the end from when Europeans were slicing each other up over loyalty to Rome. Thousands were killed when Henry VIII started purging whomever seemed likely to prefer the Pope to him. Even as recently as the Kennedy administration a lot of fundamentalist Protestants were worried that JFK as a Catholic would betray the interests of the US if they conflicted with those of the Vatican.
  
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21. Re:weird by SiChemist · 2011-08-23 09:15 · Score: 1
  
  The biggest problem I have with Scientology is their policy of "Fair Game".
  
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22. Re:weird by ElectricTurtle · 2011-08-23 09:19 · Score: 1
  
  When Falun Gong starts assaulting the foreign embassies in Shanghai and Beijing I'll give you some serious consideration. Until then I think your analogy is woefully at odds with history and reality.
  
  Falun Gong has only two things in common with the boxers, a spiritual component, and that it was at one time tolerated by the government when the government believed it could be manipulated for its own purposes.
  
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23. Re:weird by quatin · 2011-08-23 09:27 · Score: 1
  
  Do your own research. The truth is really in between. Falun Gong is not a satanic cult, but they are also not a "legit" religion either. The best comparison is with the Church of Scientology. On the surface, it appears innocent, but as you dwell deeper into their teachings, you'll see several flags pop up such as super natural powers and immortality. Much like the "E-level" of Scientology, you have to devote time and money to achieve this level of super naturalness. The society even created a "Science Institute" who's sole purpose is to use conventional science to prove the legitimacy of the exercises and how it could give you powers.
  The Chinese government does not tolerate religions with a central authoritative figure, so when Mr. Li pretty much claimed himself as "God", well you know how the rest went.
24. Re:weird by Ihmhi · 2011-08-23 09:52 · Score: 1
  
  Well as far as I know, Falun Gong didn't try to inflitrate the fucking government like Scientology did.
  That alone should make you worried about them.
  
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25. Re:weird by Jmc23 · 2011-08-23 10:03 · Score: 2
  
  actually it is a legit religion, it's an organized set of spiritual beliefs.
  You do have to devote timebut not money, so it's not like scientology. You don't even have to devote time to the organization, just to your practive, just like ajy real spiritual practice.
  It's based on traditional chinese beliefs and gung fu practices, just with moee of the layers peeled back. Do you know what christianity looks like with the layers peeled back, i.e., what did jesus teach his disciples as oppsed to the ignorant unready masses? Do you know what yoga, buddhism or dao looks lime with the layers peeled back? Li didn't say he was the one and only god, you do know that practically every religion acknowledges the divinity within right?
  It is perhaps you who needs to do more research and explore your own spirituality.
  
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26. Re:weird by Khyber · 2011-08-23 10:40 · Score: 1
  
  Scientology doesn't scare me at all, because I've been DEAD.
  I do not fear death any longer as a result, so if they fuck with me, I will kill them.
  It's just that simple. I've had the ultimate punishment of loss of life. Nothing on this planet truly scares me any longer. That makes me far more dangerous than they can EVER be.
  
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27. Re:weird by HungWeiLo · 2011-08-23 10:48 · Score: 1
  
  Well, it doesn't exactly help doing these types of protests next to 5 million dollar mansions in Shaughnessy. If it wasn't the Consul General, the neighbors would have gone to court to kick them out eventually.
  
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28. Re:weird by ADRA · 2011-08-23 10:52 · Score: 1
  
  What the heck does a structure have to do with protesting? I drove by the ugly little shanty village many times over the years and I'm not surprised the the user rich of the area wanted to get them out of there. I'd say if anything, they make Vancouver city and themselves look like a bunch of idiots, not the Chinese officials living in palatial mansions.
  Their message was voiced and voiced and voiced and nothing was solved. I don't consider protest a profession, but more of a societal motivator. If nothing moves then its just a bunch of people yelling into the wind.
  
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29. Re:weird by Cwix · 2011-08-23 11:36 · Score: 1
  
  If the consul wasn't there, then there would be no protestors. Did you really not catch that?
  
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30. Re:weird by HungWeiLo · 2011-08-23 11:41 · Score: 1
  
  I meant if it wasn't the Consul General going after them, the neighbors would have anyway.
  
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31. Re:weird by lennier · 2011-08-23 11:57 · Score: 2
  
  That's pretty much my reaction about folks who are rabidly against Scientology. I don't get it.
  
  Oh, so young.
  Internet "information must be free" activists' hatred of Scientology dates back to the early days of the Web - mid-1990s, when Usenet was still a thing and you could still use the word "cypherpunk" without irony. The Scientology organisation was extremely litigatious and aggressively used copyright law to attempt to shut down whistleblower sites such as xenu.net. They had tons of money, no love for freedom of information, and more focus on image control than the then-in-power Clinton administration, Worse, they attempted to hack Usenet itself. This was a red rag to the cypher-punks bull and wham, CoS became Enemy #1. This was long before the death of Napster when the RIAA moved into that position, you have to realise. (Do today's young folks even know who Napster were?)
  Fast-forward to the more recent Anonymous protests and yeah, I dunno why *that* crowd with their mayfly attention span suddenly woke up and discovered CoS as their three-minute hate of the week. Frankly I don't really think the legitimate anti-CoS protesters like xenu.net really need Anonymous' brand of "help".
  But CoS were perhaps the first organisation to really attempt to "declare war on the Internet". Back before the Apple-Google dupooly realised that you could lock down the Net and have people gladly pay to give up their freedoms. So there are long memories.
  Does that history lesson help give some context?
  
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32. Re:weird by ElectricTurtle · 2011-08-23 12:07 · Score: 2
  
  Oh bloo bloo. It sounds to me like you're an oversensitive little twit who would gladly sacrifice the freedom of others so as to protect your fragile ego. People like you are scummier than the average religious dumbass. As easy and comfortable as it might be to not defend ideas you don't like, you seem awfully upset when people don't like your ideas and single you out. You're a hypocrite.
  
  When Christians judge me I judge them right the fuck back. Between Paul's bigotry and Yahweh's institutionalized genocide and slave rape it's pretty easy to get most fundamentalists hoisted on the own petards after their objective morality meets the Euthyphro Dilemma. As Matt Dilahunty so famously said: "I am more moral than your god."
  
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33. Re:weird by ShakaUVM · 2011-08-23 12:48 · Score: 1
  
  The Chinese government has a weird obsession with Falun Gong, which I don't quite understand. I was in Flushing, Queens the other week and there was actually this whole (unmanned) table with signs, flyers, etc., blasting the Falun Gong as this insanely dangerous cult. I can't imagine who set it up other than the Chinese government.
  Well, to be fair, the Falun Gong does the same thing. In SF Chinatown this weekend, the Falun Gong had a series of posters up about how to quit the CCP.
34. Re:weird by praksys · 2011-08-23 14:08 · Score: 1
  
  Falun Gong has some significant similarities with the 19th Century movement that produced the Taiping Rebellion. That rebellion went on for 14 years and left as many as 30,000,000 dead, making it one of the most destructive wars in human history. Hence the Chinese are more nervous than we are about odd religious movements.
35. Re:weird by bronney · 2011-08-23 14:30 · Score: 1
  
  Death isn't scary. Go ask any prisoners serving a life sentence. That's what's scary. It'd be scarier if the guy who lock you up give you something to prolong your life but at the same time making sure you can't kill yourself in the prison. Think of that scene in Se7en. And then, do the same to everyone you know and put you all in the same room.
36. Re:weird by misophist · 2011-08-23 14:48 · Score: 1
  
  Falun Gong is a cult funded by the CIA and Taiwan to delegitimize the CCP. It pretends to have sole ownership of Chinese culture and history.
  Falun Gong teaches crazy things that it says is an improvement over traditional qigong. Practicing it will result in serious medical and psychological problems. There are plenty of legitimate orthodox qigong practices out there so I would recommend anyone not to practice Falun Gong.
  In short Falung Gong should be stamped out just as the Branch Davidians were in Waco.
37. Re:weird by morkk · 2011-08-23 15:08 · Score: 1
  
  Mao - is that you?
38. Re:weird by ElectricTurtle · 2011-08-23 15:13 · Score: 1
  
  All religions are cults. They are founded usually by single individuals (Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha, etc.) who frequently ask for uncritical acceptance and claim to perform miracles. Their followers are frequently racist, homophobic assholes or naive idiots. So yeah, by all these dimensions Falun Gong sounds as much like a religion as Christianity or Islam.
  
  And a lot of torture by the Chinese government is real. Fake torture doesn't cancel out real torture, it's only the real torture that matters.
  
  People are free to raise their children how they wish. In an open society people believe what they want, and if an ideology is truly incompatible with a person's nature they will change when they mature and separate as individuals from their parents. I myself was raised in fundamentalist, Biblical literalist Baptist family. I am now an atheist by my own choice as a product of my own development, regardless of what my parents want. My parents were free to communicate their beliefs, and I was free to reject them. That is freedom.
  
  You, as an obviously cheerleader for tyranny, wouldn't understand.
  
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39. Re:weird by Anonymous Coward · 2011-08-23 15:23 · Score: 1
  
  If your argument is true, then the essential claim is that Chinese people are stupider than their western counterparts and cannot distinguish bullshit from truth so the government must step in to save them. That would be believable if the government actually had a historical record of prioritizing people's lives.
40. Re:weird by ElectricTurtle · 2011-08-23 15:23 · Score: 1
  
  The CCP does a pretty good job of delegitimizing itself. I especially like how they persecute lawyers who dare represent anybody against the government for any reason, and how they tell journalists not to talk about it or else. They're worse than a mafia.
  
  As a 50center you might not realize that many Americans are more upset by the way the Branch Davidians were handled than they were about Branch Davidianism. We don't care if people want to believe crazy things, hell, it's enshrined in the Constitution that they can. The Branch Davidians crossed a line in that they were shooting at people, so until you can show Falun Gong doing such things you'll get very little sympathy from a nation which was founded on the idea of religious tolerance.
  
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41. Re:weird by shadowofwind · 2011-08-23 15:27 · Score: 1
  
  Read up on the Taiping Rebellion for a perspective that's a little more sympathetic to the Chinese government view. A big quasi-Christian cult got way out of hand, for instance forcibly separating men and women into different cities, and the resulting war killed hundreds of thousands of people.
  Other than that, its because the Chinese government is a big brainwash scheme, so other brainwash schemes are natural enemies.
42. Re:weird by poity · 2011-08-23 15:47 · Score: 1
  
  - Millions gather to wave little red books in front of a paternalistic figure, chanting slogans to affirm their devotion
  - Destroy cultural heritage, and persecute anyone who's not a farmer/engineer/soldier
  - Close all schools and send children away from home to labor on collective farms
  - Institute domestic policy that results in millions of deaths, by decree
  - All accomplished by decree of a single man, with people blindly following
  They sure got rid of religion, but what replaced it was the same bullshit, and arguably worse, since it gave people a false sense of progress.
  
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43. Re:weird by Anonymous Coward · 2011-08-23 16:18 · Score: 2, Interesting
  
  If your argument is true, then the essential claim is that Chinese people are stupider than their western counterparts and cannot distinguish bullshit from truth so the government must step in to save them. That would be believable if the government actually had a historical record of prioritizing people's lives.
  Exactly. We westerns are obviously superior to asians, and would never believe silly things like homeopathy or Scientology. They must be really stupid.
  Although your hate may make you think otherwise, stupid people are by no means exclusive to any one country.
44. Re:weird by Zumbs · 2011-08-23 18:14 · Score: 1
  
  It does not matter what I belive. What matters is what the Chinese government belives.
  
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45. Re:weird by kcelery · 2011-08-23 23:43 · Score: 1
  
  If the permanent protest hut is not bad enough, you can imagine the Chinese hiring some guys to set up some anti-protest hut next to the first hut.
46. Re:weird by quatin · 2011-08-24 01:47 · Score: 1
  
  Fine, call it a legit religion. In the same nature, you have to call Scientology a legit religion as well.
  I don't believe this claim about it being free. How do you get the books, the classes and the instructions. I'm sure youtube videos only take you so far. I know when Li started, he had a club, not a church in which you pay to practice his "religion".
  I aware that all religions dwell a bit into the supernatural, but Falun Gong dwells so far into the supernatural it's not even a comparison. Claiming to offer immortality, invisibility, super strength and everything associated with a marvel comic makes it far more susceptible than being a creationist.
47. Re:weird by couchslug · 2011-08-24 02:27 · Score: 1
  
  So what? That they had that many obstacles is an accident of history, but they UNIFIED CHINA. That's a tremendous accomplishment worth vast slaughter nor could it have been done any other way.
  If the Inquisition had a shot at that many unbelievers, they'd have killed them for Jesus. Your childish passion is silly. History is written by force.
  
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48. Re:weird by couchslug · 2011-08-24 02:31 · Score: 1
  
  Religion is merely an enemy of the "freedom" you pretend to espouse, and where religion is DOMESTICATED it's less a problem. That doesn't mean the Bible Thumpers of the Tea Party wouldn't produce a theocracy in a heartbeat if they got the chance.
  However, the toxic influence of religion throughout history makes any moves against it reasonable. Supersition deserves no respect nor, most importantly, do the superstitious themselves. They choose primitive beast-beliefs. My dog may think I'm God because it knows no better, but humans don't have that excuse.
  
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49. Re:weird by couchslug · 2011-08-24 02:36 · Score: 1
  
  That body count is merely an accident of history. Vast societies mean change must scale.
  Mao unified China and brought it into the modern world, well worth tens of millions dead. Never discount that accomplishment. When you cannot write history by peaceful methods, a sword is in order. It brought China a better standard of living and more global power than ever in Chinese history. It happened in fifty years, which is a very short time.
  BTW, religion didn't get that many targets in one place. Don't pretend the Inquisition wouldn't have done the same thing.
  
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50. Re:weird by couchslug · 2011-08-24 02:38 · Score: 1
  
  Of course. One may be weaned from Communism by logic. Faith in contrast is literally not sane.
  The simple folk remain simple, but the first step to getting rid of religion is often transferring loyalty to other institutions.
  More modern people don't NEED to worship anything.
  
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51. Re:weird by couchslug · 2011-08-24 02:41 · Score: 1
  
  The REAL progress was tremendous. Chinese have never lived better.
  BECAUSE MAOISM WAS ABLE TO BE SUPPLANTED BY THE LOGIC OF CAPITALISM, it was superior to religion.
  Now it's mostly gone, since COMMUNISM IS A TRANSITIONAL IDEOLOGY suited for destroying rotten systems but not replacing them long-term.
  Killing a few million people to wipe the social slate clean is minor. China is a big place and life has always been cheap as it was in the West until VERY recently.
  
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52. Re:weird by ElectricTurtle · 2011-08-24 03:20 · Score: 1
  
  Nobody is truly free if they are not also free to be not free, if they so decide. If subjecting themselves for false promises makes them happy, then you ruin their lives by your external imposition to save them from ruining their lives by your judgement. Either way their lives are ruined, but only in one way can they be at least happy masters of their own destiny, even if that ironically means the pretend not to be masters of their own destiny.
  
  The most difficult aspect of freedom is that people must be free to harm themselves, to associate, commiserate, and organize with others who would harm themselves, or there is neither freedom nor happiness. Freedom must apply equally to the stupid, the gullible, the naive, the tasteless, the slothful, and indeed all kinds of persons and their wasteful behaviors so long as those behaviors are not forced upon others. Anything less is no better than the theocratic moral tyranny you pretend to oppose. A secular moral tyranny that prosecutes thought crimes of superstition will itself be ultimately immoral for the wrongful initiation of force to rob comfort from persons for no provocation. Even as an atheist I would fight such tyranny.
  
  However, the toxic influence of religion throughout history makes any moves against it reasonable.
  It is thinking like that which leads inexorably to genocide and crimes against humanity. It is the sort of absolutist confidence which in religion itself leads to atrocities committed in the name of "morality". You lack all the wisdom and nuance that any follower of religious dogma lacks. You resemble your supposed enemy far more than you can pretend to oppose them.
  
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53. Re:weird by misophist · 2011-08-24 03:27 · Score: 1
  
  Anything crazy thing can be labeled a religion but that doesn't give it any legitimacy as such.
  It's ok to hate the the CCP but to blindly support a crazy bunch of cultists reveals that your real motives are to destabilize and destroy China itself. Given a choice between crazy cultists and the CCP, I'll pick the CCP everytime, just as I would support the Qing government over the Taipings everytime.
  FLG followers avoid doctors and routinely set themselves on fire and cut open their own stomachs in search for the spinning wheel they feel after lots of deviant qigong practice. Their deviant practice results in qigong psychosis. Look it up.
  What's even more hilarious is you've outed yourself as a turtle but yet call me a 50center. LMAO!
54. Re:weird by ElectricTurtle · 2011-08-24 03:40 · Score: 1
  
  The thing is that all the death and destruction wrought by the CCP is demonstrably unnecessary. The demonstration is Hong Kong. Hong Kong people were living a first world lifestyle long before the mainlanders or even the Taiwanese (where the KMT's white terrors were almost as bad as the CCP's cultural revolution and similar episodes, albeit naturally on a smaller scale), and they didn't have to sacrifice any cultural freedom to do it. Education, a relatively less corrupt system of justice, and minimizing the government drag on commerce was all that was necessary to propel the Hong Kong Chinese into a successful and prosperous modern society.
  
  You are really too obsessed with religion. It blinds you to real history.
  
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55. Re:weird by omnichad · 2011-08-24 03:49 · Score: 2
  
  Although your hate may make you think otherwise, stupid people are by no means exclusive to any one country.
  In the US, though, we're more likely to put them in charge.
56. Re:weird by ElectricTurtle · 2011-08-24 04:37 · Score: 1
  
  Well, you have certainly shown your true colors. You would gladly support barbarians murdering Hans for not cutting their hair before any religion, eh? Who's crazy now? Maybe not crazy but surely evil. You would gladly wage a war against Chinese culture and kill Chinese people so long as it was done in the name of atheism? Well, you surely are a Maoist then, and a clear enemy of Chinese culture and the Chinese themselves, a traitor who would collude with barbarian murderers.
  
  The Taiping rebels were crazy, but even if they hadn't collapsed under their own stupidity (which I think did them more harm than the weak Qing could have done), any government established by them would not have lasted very long. It would have been better to have tolerated their craziness for a few years if it would have gotten the Manchus out sooner. In the end it would have still been the same, at least the Hans would regain control of their own destiny again to reprise their own culture.
  
  The CCP isn't afraid of FLG because the FLG practitioners hurt themselves, it's because the FLG is an organization that ostensibly is under a hierarchy that refuses CCP control. Because of the CCP persecution of FLG, now that whole organization is also focused on calling out all the faults in the CCP and its administration of China.
  
  During the first decades after the Chinese Civil War, petty government officials and wannabes of all stripes accused anybody they didn't like of being 'counter-revolutionary' and beat the shit out of them, half the time to death, but you didn't see the CCP doing anything about Mao Zedong Thought making people crazy and hurting each other. Of course not, that was *their* craziness and stopping that would be bad for the authority of the party. The party doesn't care about people's safety, it cares about its own power.
  
  I also happen to like turtles, regardless of their connotation in Chinese culture. Though by coincidence I am adopted and do not know my biological father. Who cares? I thought you were against superstitious nonsense, but now you want to make something of 'filial piety' or something? Hypocrite.
  
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57. Re:weird by Jmc23 · 2011-08-24 04:51 · Score: 1
  
  NOThe text to the books are freely available online. The classes or instruction if you so choose is pretty much available at any park in a city that has a large chinese population. It started by freely exchanging printed booklets, it was well established before there were any big gatherings, hence the concern of the chinese government.
  There's a big problem with takeing things literally, or just not understandng what something means. Yoga and dao have exactly the same 'superpowers'. Falung gung is just exposing it more. Some may argue that the real problem is that he is exposing too much for people who are not prepared for it. It may even be called evil. Getting peoples 'wheels' spinning is not really something that is tradiootionally done for someone else, it has to be accomplished by one elf. Personally I don't agree with how he is going about doing things. However, there usuall y is a grain of truth in even the weirdest things. Dianeteics for example isn't bad as far as things go, mst everything written in there is factual, it's basic psychiatry techniques, even the e-meter, scientifically we know that there are changes in the human field when there is cognitive dissonance, it just goes on a wild schizophrenic ride from there on out.
  Sorry about the caps and bad writing, i can't see anything i'm typing on this stupid android browser.
  
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58. Re:weird by tloh · 2011-08-24 08:26 · Score: 1
  
  I wonder if you are familiar with the "religion" called Scientology? Very similar - except Falun Gong has not yet had a chance to stir the pot enough for people to cry foul and organize along the lines of "Operation Clambake". I know of no other comparable "religious" organization that has engaged in so much clearly non-religious endeavors. Other than creating an anti-Beijing mouthpiece in the guise of a media entity such as "The Epoch Times", Falun Gong has also masqueraded as an arts/culture organization called the "Shen Yun Dance Company" producing propaganda rich performances that some audiences mistakenly accepts as authentic classical Chinese dance forms.
  
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59. Re:weird by quatin · 2011-08-25 06:58 · Score: 1
  
  I don't know how else to take it, but literal when Li claims you can have super powers. What else does, you can become immortal, fly through walls and read other peoples minds mean? Maybe it's, because I'm not prepared to realize that I can have super powers, but just because other fanatics in the world make the same outlandish claims, does not legitimize it. There might be a grain of truth in some of these exercises IE Meditation helps reduce stress, but compared to the realization of immortality, that is one grain in a wheat field.
Duck and cover by RenHoek · 2011-08-23 07:51 · Score: 1, Insightful

So.. since the US made such a big deal about cyber attacks being seen as an act of war, can you guys let me know when the nukes start flying?
Oh.. wait.. China? You mean the US's sugardaddy? nvm..
1. Re:Duck and cover by Anonymous Coward · 2011-08-23 08:02 · Score: 1
  
  Meh. We close the Big Box stores ( Wal-Mart, KMart, Target, etc ) and China's economy will collapse into a singularity.
  We're attached at the hip so to speak. . . .
2. Re:Duck and cover by Frangible · 2011-08-23 08:17 · Score: 1
  
  Sure, laugh about it now. But when cyber attacks turn into invading Alaska, don't blame me if you didn't prepare by making a giant superpatriot robot and T-51B power armor.
3. Re:Duck and cover by Dahamma · 2011-08-23 08:50 · Score: 1
  
  Don't close them yet! China is actually one of Walmart's biggest growth markets.
  We just need to wait until their long term invasion plan is in place, and they have everyone in China wearing blue vests instead of green caps.
4. Re:Duck and cover by artor3 · 2011-08-23 08:52 · Score: 1
  
  China only owns about 15% of the US national debt. Most of it is owned by Americans. If China stopped buying our debt, it would hurt a bit, but we'd survive it. If America stopped buying Chinese goods, their economy would collapse.
  The talk of China owning America is overblown. It started with jokes on late night talk shows, and somehow grew into common "knowledge".
5. Re:Duck and cover by the+linux+geek · 2011-08-23 09:00 · Score: 2
  
  Less than that. The US has $15tn of total debt, roughly, of which slightly under $1tn is Chinese. Not a particularly impressive figure.
6. Re:Duck and cover by Dyinobal · 2011-08-23 09:51 · Score: 1
  
  Invade Alaksa? No Sarah Palin will just shout across the water to her russian allies, which she can see from her home. No way the chinese would risk a war with Russia.
7. Re:Duck and cover by hackingbear · 2011-08-23 10:03 · Score: 1
  
  Good point. Just like we fly our spy planes next to the Chinese border they can't do anything. Maybe this is not "accidental". See we do online attack against our enemy hosted in your country. What can you do?
8. Re:Duck and cover by Jmc23 · 2011-08-23 10:11 · Score: 1
  
  Um, you do know the US isn't the only country on eart right? Oh wait, you're 'american' right, you guys don't even acknowledge the tens of countries in the americas.
  
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9. Re:Duck and cover by Dyinobal · 2011-08-23 10:49 · Score: 1
  
  Well now with the sudden arrival of the news regarding the Siberia Alaska tunnel this joke is looking either more or less funny. I'm not sure which yet.
10. Re:Duck and cover by labnet · 2011-08-23 11:11 · Score: 1
  
  Less than that. The US has $15tn of total debt, roughly, of which slightly under $1tn is Chinese. Not a particularly impressive figure.
  Are you boasting?
  15T / 65M workers = 230k debt per productive person of which you owe the Chinese $15k each.
  
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11. Re:Duck and cover by binkzz · 2011-08-24 00:11 · Score: 1
  
  [blockQUOTE]Invade Alaksa? No Sarah Palin will just shout across the water to her russian allies, which she can see from her home. No way the chinese would risk a war with Russia.[/blockquote] Why would they risk war? Russia and China are pretty good pals, and have been for a long time. I'm sure Russia would sooner help China invade Alaska than stop them.
  
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Re:In Republic of China .. by bluemonq · 2011-08-23 07:53 · Score: 3, Informative

Wrong China.
The University (for the lazy) by MischaNix · 2011-08-23 07:53 · Score: 1

University of Alabama at Birmingham.
1. Re:The University (for the lazy) by Virtucon · 2011-08-23 08:11 · Score: 1
  
  No, Bama is a good place to go to school. I think that because we have a more open society this is going to happen. The Chinese are aware of this and have been using it to their strategic advantage.
  Frankly, I don't know why we don't firewall off China and it's vassals like Pakistan off from the rest of is and carefully monitor and filter what goes via that firewall.
  
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2. Re:The University (for the lazy) by MischaNix · 2011-08-23 08:18 · Score: 1
  
  Th UA system is tine we just spend absolutely no money on IT and NetAdmin outside of what the government needs. Ergo this is no surprise.
3. Re:The University (for the lazy) by geekoid · 2011-08-23 08:56 · Score: 1
  
  Becasue the more open we are, and the more and more there people get exposed to the outside, the more they will move away from complete dictatorial control.
  Isolating them only gives them an enemy to rally their people against, and considering the male heavy society, that would inevitably mean war., probably with Russia and Europe; which means with everyone.
  
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4. Re:The University (for the lazy) by Virtucon · 2011-08-23 09:44 · Score: 1
  
  I wasn't advocating isolation, I was advocating a bit more protectionism like they exhibit. If you travel to China you'll find that they're more than happy to absorb your technology but they will implement it in their own way. It's not isolating them to firewall them off, it's called protecting national interests and
  if they attack via proxy or by direct means assets in this country, it is an act of war.
  Yes, we're joined at the hip right now, but it's time to call it like it is the Chinese relationship is definitely a one way street and the faster we get off of
  their financial teets, they we created, the better off we'll be. In the meantime, start protecting our infrastructure and that means the Internet and other
  assets we have that are susceptible to this type of attack.
  I just can't believe how stupid we seem to be when it comes to cybersecurity in this country and it will only lead to more technology and strategic information stolen from us. It's just in this day and age we send our VP to China to tell them that their debts are good. What a crock of shit!
  
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5. Re:The University (for the lazy) by datapharmer · 2011-08-23 09:58 · Score: 1
  
  Someone want to let their sysadmin know about that? Or perhaps that sysadmin's boss?
  
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6. Re:The University (for the lazy) by ginbot462 · 2011-08-24 02:20 · Score: 1
  
  Just proves again .. Doctors and the medical industry fail at computers.
  
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sophisticated chinese icebreaker by Anonymous Coward · 2011-08-23 07:56 · Score: 1

ROIC
1. Re:sophisticated chinese icebreaker by ThisIsSaei · 2011-08-23 08:21 · Score: 1
  
  You can't break through my Iron-Warr defenses.
Re:You insensiTive c7od. by ifiwereasculptor · 2011-08-23 08:04 · Score: 1

Allah Gold, is that you?
Name of software by vlm · 2011-08-23 08:09 · Score: 1

A screen in the video also reveals 'the name of the software
Everything China makes is just bad ripoffs of our original work. So... how do you write "Back Orifice 2000" in Chinese, and does that match the video?

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Description doesn't seem correct... by benjamindees · 2011-08-23 08:11 · Score: 1

In the video, the user selects from the drop-down first, and then the IP address is automatically filled. It would be useful to get a direct translation of the text.

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UAB says they're not compromised? by SecurityGuy · 2011-08-23 08:18 · Score: 1

I loved the part where a network administrator from UAB claims their network hasn't been compromised. News flash. If you're on a university network--any university network--it's been compromised.
1. Re:UAB says they're not compromised? by ginbot462 · 2011-08-24 02:35 · Score: 1
  
  They just don't want people to know all their medical information got compromised as well. Just kidding (for now) but only a matter of time before some major RHIO/HIE/NHIN to be breached.
  http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2011/03/health-net-inc-security-lapse-leads-to-loss-of-personal-information-for-nearly-2-million-current-and.html
  http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/administrative/breachnotificationrule/breachtool.html
  
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Congress Needs to Get This Message by BoRegardless · 2011-08-23 08:20 · Score: 1

China is NOT our friend.
China spends inordinate amounts of money on espionage to steal government secrets and attempts to steal private intellectual property.
It is time to stop coddling the Chinese leaders.
Of course, that would take strong leadership here. Sheesh.
1. Re:Congress Needs to Get This Message by ElectricTurtle · 2011-08-23 08:27 · Score: 1
  
  And what would you have them do, WW3?
  
  I don't think you understand how beneficial it is to the US armed forces' intelligence arms and the CIA to have fairly warm international relations with China. If we were to cool those off and things closed up, we would know less about them than they would of us (it's easier for them to work by proxy than it is for us, by and large).
  
  Epionage works both ways, brah.
  
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2. Re:Congress Needs to Get This Message by sjames · 2011-08-23 09:56 · Score: 1
  
  We could remove them from most favored nation status for a start. Nobody expects wwIII, but we could at least sent them back our half of the BFF charm bracelets.
3. Re:Congress Needs to Get This Message by JustNiz · 2011-08-23 11:16 · Score: 1
  
  ...or just tell them if they don't stop we wont make any more debt repayments.
4. Re:Congress Needs to Get This Message by ElectricTurtle · 2011-08-23 11:52 · Score: 1
  
  Relations far from warm? And you accuse me of nonsense? Members of my family traveled to the USSR and China both, can you guess which was more closed? And trade ties between China and the US are immeasurably stronger than any period with the USSR. Nonsense indeed, you're projecting.
  
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Not necessarily... by WWWWolf · 2011-08-23 08:23 · Score: 1

*squint* ...nah, they've just taken a subtle jab at the decadent capitalist propaganda, the "C.S.I.". This is obviously a GUI made quickly in Visual Basic, to trace IPs.
Seriously, though, just because a some form of an user interface, or mockups of the same, exists, doesn't mean the software does. And the IP address shown doesn't necessarily mean anything - could be just a random number. What it does show is that someone in Chinese government probably considering whacking Falun Gong sites, one way or other - and that would not exactly be news, now would it?
follow the money by Lead+Butthead · 2011-08-23 08:23 · Score: 2

a fair number of those "students" are funded by PRC government; for them, it's just a job. the roof over their head and the food on their table are paid for by PRC. so really, is it a surprise that they're out in force whenever anyone disagree with the current party line?

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1. Re:follow the money by demonbug · 2011-08-23 08:36 · Score: 1
  
  a fair number of those "students" are funded by PRC government; for them, it's just a job. the roof over their head and the food on their table are paid for by PRC. so really, is it a surprise that they're out in force whenever anyone disagree with the current party line?
  I'm pretty sure nearly all of the Chinese students here are funded by the Chinese government. Out of state tuition is a bitch.
  Oh, did you mean that they are specifically paid to also protest?
2. Re:follow the money by Fned · 2011-08-23 09:19 · Score: 2
  
  Probably more like they very non-specifically stop getting paid if they happen not to...
3. Re:follow the money by asdf7890 · 2011-08-23 09:30 · Score: 1
  
  Oh, did you mean that they are specifically paid to also protest?
  More like unofficially expect payments to stop if they don't, either because they've been told so or just that they are bright enough not to bite the hand that feeds.
4. Re:follow the money by microbox · 2011-08-23 12:45 · Score: 2
  
  This is so naive. The "students" you talk about are actually real students, and they are the chinese analogue of the tea-party. We have the human condition in common with the Chinese. Some people really believe in stuff, and a good indication is how fast their heart beats in there chest when you disagree with them.
  
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5. Re:follow the money by FreakyGreenLeaky · 2011-08-23 19:57 · Score: 1
  
  exactly
6. Re:follow the money by cyberchondriac · 2011-08-24 02:42 · Score: 1, Interesting
  
  Except your analogy is backward here: the Chinese Gov't is the analog to the Left Wing (go Joe Biden), and the Falung Gong is the analog here to the Tea Party.
  
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  So, the Left Wing is full of jingoists, and the Tea Party is full of people wanting to find peace in their lives.
  
  Riiiiiggggghhhhhhtttttt.
  
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In case this wasn't already the worst kept secret. by Paladin114 · 2011-08-23 08:25 · Score: 1

Attacking the Falung Gong website? Not exactly an act of war.
Demonstrating "patriotism" while aboard ... by drnb · 2011-08-23 09:29 · Score: 1

Perhaps being interviewed regarding their time abroad once they return home encourages them to demonstrate "patriotism" while aboard?
Re:In case this wasn't already the worst kept secr by Shorty1911 · 2011-08-23 09:34 · Score: 1

Awww lets start one with china.. They need a population adjustment anyways.
Falun Gong != Branch Davidian by drnb · 2011-08-23 09:38 · Score: 2

Because it's an anti-government cult set up by the CIA and Taiwanese to destabilize China. Gee, I seem to remember the US government slaughtering the entire "Branch Davidian" cult in the 90s and they are much much smaller than Falun Gong and did not have any backing from foreign intelligence services! Also, Epoch Times is an anti-China propaganda paper. I'd take it about as seriously as a paper from Hitler Youth.
Its hard to take your post seriously either. The Branch Davidians were heavily armed and shot at cops who came onto their property. They also spread flammable liquids all about their bunkered building. Whether they ignited these flammables intentionally or it was accidentally ignited by gov't smoke grenades, gunfire, etc is debatable. The fact remains that the davidians prepped their own building for fire. Get back to us when the Falun Gong go down such a path. AFAICT their crime is believing there is something more authoritative than the Chinese Communist Party.
What else by drobety · 2011-08-23 09:43 · Score: 2

Asked for a statement, China's People's Liberation Army spokesperson said:
"We do it for the lulz"
Dear China, by Weaselmancer · 2011-08-23 11:57 · Score: 1

If you take down our infrastructure, it will be much harder - if not impossible - for us to pay back all of that money we've borrowed.
Just saying, you know. It would be a shame to have to default on those loans. A real shame.
So knock it off. Understand?

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University? No... by Phybersyk0 · 2011-08-23 12:00 · Score: 1

The IP address showing in the screenshot accompanying TFA is: 130.26.72.17. That entire 130.26 Class-B network is owned by Hewlett Packard. Falun Gong are a bunch of wackjob lying liars. Seriously. They're like Scientology + The Force + Tai Chi + Jehovah's Witnesses.
Re:University? No... YES! by Phybersyk0 · 2011-08-23 12:06 · Score: 1

Re-reading the article, shows the IP as: 138.26.72.17 (stupid eyes).
Nice. Class A:
University of Alabama at Birmingham - University Computer Center UAB (NET-138-26-0-0-1) 138.26.0.0 - 138.26.255.255
NetRange: 138.0.0.0 - 138.255.255.255
CIDR: 138.0.0.0/8
My other position still stands. They're nuts.
Deliberate by djl4570 · 2011-08-23 12:10 · Score: 1

It is possible that some nameless faceless bureaucrat who doesn't approve of this government sponsored hacking spliced that clip into the video knowing that his variant of pointy hair managers wouldn't get it.
Re:In case this wasn't already the worst kept secr by vranash · 2011-08-23 12:11 · Score: 1

I'm pretty sure it was the 'US University' that was the issue, not the attacking Falung Gong. If they wanna DDOS someone out of existance from their own sovereign computer systems I'm pretty sure that would be ok (right up until their DDOS started affecting the network pipes in between them and the Falung Gong servers.) *HOWEVER* This would be the equivalent of say Canadians coming onto American soil to lob mortars at Mexico. Mexico would take it as tacit approval by the US of the Canadian attacks on them, and might see fit to retaliate against them instead of Canada (since obv the US would be the low hanging fruit for them, from both a geographical and security point of view.)
blow by blow xlations by daiyu · 2011-08-23 14:08 · Score: 1

here are some takes on the interesting parts of the original vid (from http://military.cntv.cn/program/jskj/20110717/100139.shtml) Timestamp (TS) 11:08: dropdown menu option for DDoS -> Ctrl+D. The software looks pretty old, definitely the IP address has been inactive for a while, interesting that whatever software they built includes DDoS options. TS 11:09: interesting string across the top reads XX....1.0 the XXs are too blurry, rest reads "XX-type Network Attack System... PLA Electronic Engineering Institute... Version 1.0" Hope someone can get the XX. TS 11:10: one of the dropdown options is for Falun Dafa in the Alabama region. These guys did their homework! And it's interesting that the IP address is for the Alabama site even though the final selection is for Minghui Network (TS 11:13) which is hosted on the West Coast. Problem in the software? TS 11:12: you can see the Alabama IP address site being loaded in a screencap on the left side. Site definitely looks like Falun Gong what with the "Truthfulness" slogan and all. I don't think the site at ABU is running anymore. So that prolly gives some sort of idea of when this software was actually running? Quien sabe.
yes by unity100 · 2011-08-23 14:56 · Score: 1

THEM CHINESE !!! right ? precisely proper after the fashion of china fobia and china blaming that is so hip in usa nowadays ....

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Re:University? No... YES! by jovius · 2011-08-23 18:52 · Score: 1

There's a reason why they don't use real IP number in the movies. What's the probability of hitting a real and current IP by chance? Which country has most IP numbers and how are they shared between countries?
Re:University? No... YES! by jovius · 2011-08-23 22:12 · Score: 1

There's a reason why they don't use real IP numbers in the movies. What are the chances that you hit some real and current IP by making numbers up? AFAIK IP's are not geographically equally distributed either.
All that means by ThatsNotPudding · 2011-08-23 23:46 · Score: 1

A fair number of Chinese students seem to buy into the official party line, part and parcel.
All that means is they still have family within the clutches of the Central Committee. Best to be patriotic in that circumstance and jump when told.
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So what you're saying is by wiredog · 2011-08-24 01:47 · Score: 1

They're not that different from any other religion, like the 7th Day Adventists or Christian Scientists.

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