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Reuters Reports Death of Gaddafi In Libyan City of Sirte
syngularyx writes with a snippet from Reuters' report that "Former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi died of wounds suffered on Thursday as fighters battling to complete an eight-month-old uprising against his rule overran his hometown Sirte, Libya's interim rulers said. His killing, which came swiftly after his capture near Sirte, is the most dramatic single development in the Arab Spring revolts that have unseated rulers in Egypt and Tunisia and threatened the grip on power of the leaders of Syria and Yemen." An anonymous reader links to the news as reported by Al Jazeera (citing confirmation from the military spokesman of the National Transition Council). Time reports that many Libyans were celebrating even preliminary reports of Gaddafi's death.
Is this as reliable as when they captured his son and he showed up on TV soon after?
I think they've supposedly killed Kamis a couple of times. Resilient young man, that one.
Actually, it was Tito Jackson.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
First Kill
or it didn't happen.
Welcome to the Panopticon. Used to be a prison, now it's your home.
You've let your government destroy lives and waste money sponsoring another pointless war to serve the interests of a powerful few.
Mission accomplished. Let the pillaging begin!
...who is the next Libyan dictator?
Despotic murderers like him shouldn't be executed...THEY should be put in a fucking ZOO.
(inb4 "News for nerd wtf")
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So how is this tech news?
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Libya can proceed at full pace towards becoming a repressive Islamic repiblic along the Iranian model. I wouldn't like to be a woman there right now.
As Coroner, I must aver
I thoroughly examined him
And he's not only merely dead,
He's really most sincerely dead
(Mayor)
Then this is a day of independence for all the Libyans
And their descendants
Yes, let the joyous news be spread
The wicked old witch at last is dead!
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arab spring seems to be a shitty operation by u.s. to topple unfriendly governments to install their own islamist supporters and to oblige the countries to financial system.
Right. Which explains why one of the first governments that was overthrown in the "Arab Spring" was Egypt... a staunch US ally that the US had poured many billions of dollars into. Congratulations. You managed to set a new record for cluelessness.
I've heard plenty on the news about protest in Saudi Arabia and the government increasing handouts to calm them. It's been on CNN for months.
Gone!
A trial would have been a farce. How can you try a dictator in the heat of battle, especially in a nation where the very same dictator had destroyed civil society?
Ghaddafi's government functioned as a true totalitarian regime, with all functional aspects deriving from the dictator himself. The Transitional Government still is in its infancy, and could not organize a legitimate court system for years.
What I regret is that Ghaddafi could not be interrogated by neutral agencies - say at The Hague. He had close relationships with the IRA, various Palestinian terrorist groups, and very interesting relationships with major oil companies. Now we cannot find out who he worked with, what bribes he paid, and what other crimes he and his government had committed.
And remember, this man ordered the destruction of an airliner, killing 270 in the air and on the ground - including a large group of college kids, researchers, purely innocent civilians. I hope the families and friends of the victims can find some peace that the murderer is dead.
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My first reaction is "good riddance." The human race is much better off without him; too bad it couldn't have happened 30 years ago, etc.. It really is a whole lot cleaner for him to be dead than to have him captured and alive, expounding his delusional nonsense to anyone within earshot, and all the messiness of putting him on trial.
On the other hand, his sudden death does mean that the Libyans, and the rest of the world, lose the opportunity to air out the closet (so to speak) and try him for his many crimes. The result would almost certainly have been the same (death), but the process would have been important for Libya: to delegitimize his legacy, to legitimize the rule of law under a new government, to exorcise old demons and grievances so as to move on, and to ferret out his many collaborators. I wouldn't say it was a complete success in Saddam's trial in Iraq. It may not come to pass for Mubarak in Egypt. The international criminal court has mad mixed success with the perpetrators in the former Yugoslavia. Still, I believe these things do matter, and there is merit in attempting it.
Uh, you do realize that actually the Muslim Brotherhood hates "western culture" and the U.S., right? They have also publicly stated that they would like to wage warfare on the west?
As such, your whole comment doesn't make any sense at all. Maybe it was a terrible troll attempt, I don't know.
I love the "media cover-up" mentality...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Saudi_Arabian_protests
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Bahraini_protests
(posting a wiki source because they contain shitload of references to mainstream news)
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I guess that depends on if you believe this news falls under "stuff that matters". If you do, then you've already answered why it's here.
but how is this "News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters."
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I already read CNN & Google News.
I already knew this.
I did not need to read this on
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Damn, and I was hoping for a Gaddafi reality TV show.
How cool would that have been to see him and some courtesan bad mouthing each other in front of hidden cameras and then acting all smoochy with each other afterwards.
Guess no chance of having an "I'm a dictator, get me out of here" reality show. Can you imagine Gaddafi, Saddam, Kim Jong Il and Amadinejad on a desert island together? Which one would be voted off first... ....ooops silly me, voting is for democracy.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
You could say that if this many celebrate your death, that you have taken a few wrong turns in life.
Like OBL, he should have been tried.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
an american supported islamist organization
It's all a conspiracy by our secret Muslim president to implement Sharia law around the world.
This. I do still think it would have been better to capture him alive, because a man like him deserves to watch as everything he built crumbles around him, and despair. But there was no possibility of a fair trial; any attempt would have been a pointless illusion at best, and more likely would have been actively harmful.
And really, this outcome isn't so bad. He still gets removed, and the people can better rest assured that there is absolutely no possibility of his return. There's something to be said for that.
Yes, it is amazing how bad Libya and Eygpt were to America.
And when UK and France had to push America hard to go into Libya, it was all a plan on our part.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
According to Al Jazeera.
I've often wondered what happens with all the ammo that is shot up in celebration when something like this occurs. I know the mythbusters did something on the matter some time ago, and I don't recall what they found. You would think that when people are shooting off their AK's into the air in a city that something would get hit, even if it was just lead falling onto building rooftops.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
arab spring seems to be a shitty operation by u.s. to topple unfriendly governments to install their own islamist supporters and to oblige the countries to financial system.
Right. Which explains why one of the first governments that was overthrown in the "Arab Spring" was Egypt... a staunch US ally that the US had poured many billions of dollars into. Congratulations. You managed to set a new record for cluelessness.
I've dated a turkish journalist last summer (southern hemisphere summer). While we were dating, I asked her about the things that were happening in Egypt and who the "muslim brotherhood" are, she said exactly what the GP told you. They are a US intelligence thing or they were heavily infiltrated by them. I asked why would the US overthrow an allied government and she answered that they actually support the Muslim extremists in Turkey too (just a remainder: Turkey is a NATO country). The US does that to have leverage in the local politics.
I think that you (and not the GP) are the one who managed to set a new record for cluelessness.
Don't let the fact that the US supported the prior regime make you think that they were best buddies - the US and Egyptian governments have had huge differences in the past, especially over Israel. Their relationship was more one of convenience than actual friendship - the US would have loved to have seen a better regime come into power in Egypt (whether they got one remains to be seen).
His killing, which came swiftly after his capture near Sirte...
s/killing/death/
The actual reports on Al Jazeera and elsewhere suggest that he was badly wounded in the legs and head while being captured and died of his wounds in captivity. The phrase above suggests that he was first captured, then deliberately killed which none of the reports suggests. Just FYI, for those who don't have time to read any of the many articles that are flashing up as AJ has posted what is claimed to be an actual (rather graphic) video of his dead body. Naturally, it is on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/verify_controversy?next_url=http%3A//www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DKJQUShElCzE%26feature%3Dyoutu.be
Pretty convincing, actually, although only DNA does not lie...
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Even when the experts all agree, they may well be mistaken. --- Bertrand Russell.
Now why didn't we kill the motherfucker with a single missile at the beginning of this whole thing rather than let thousands die in the fighting for what was already a forlorn conclusion?
There seems to be conflicts in the story about how & where he got killed.
I wouldn't be so sure its really him until they do DNA testing. He was known to employ body doubles.
This is just a single woman spreading conspiracy theories. And I know, that hormones can influence rational thought, but to throw away all logic just because some girl tells you strange stuff?
If you were a muslim extremist with a very negative attitude towards the U.S., would you join a movement which is supposedly sponsored by the very same U.S.? If not, who are the actual people the Muslim Brotherhood consists of? American patriots?
I was looking forward to a trial and hanging. Those are so much more fun! Oh well. I guess you takes what you can gets...
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Within such organizations that is usually limited to what is acceptable under their interpretation of Islam. True freedom to them is the freedom to practice their religion without being offended.
For example, do you really think they would accept "freedom of criticism" directed at Mohammed?
So no trial. I suppose it's better than "we killed him and dumped his body in the sea because the rules only apply to losers".
Right. I'm sure that I believe this "turkish journalist" can explain why the US spent many billions of dollars to prop up Hosni Mubarak so Egypt would maintain the peace with Israel (another staunch US ally), while SIMULTANEOUSLY backing a Muslin extremist group to overthrow that government. Do you really think the new government is going to be more friendly to the USA than the old? The idea that the Muslim Brotherhood is somehow sponsored by the USA is just bizarre. I'm sure US intelligence is trying to infiltrate them to find out what they are up to, but you (and your girlfriend) have no idea what you are talking about.
(Libya, Tripoli) Sign Painters are busy removing Libya's prior reigning ruler's name off the office door at the main palace. It has been a while since the painters have had to do this job. Quoted from one on the painters, "This paint has been on the door way to long." A concerned paint supervisor admonished the paint team by saying, "hurry up, it is almost lunch time."
"Wake me up when something important happens" - President Ronald Regan, 1986
It says right there on the page you cited that they don't. Quoting from the very first screen (MB spokesman):
"We believe that the political reform is the true and natural gateway for all other kinds of reform. We have announced our acceptance of democracy that acknowledges political pluralism, the peaceful rotation of power and the fact that the nation is the source of all powers. As we see it, political reform includes the termination of the state of emergency, restoring public freedoms, including the right to establish political parties, whatever their tendencies may be, and the freedom of the press, freedom of criticism and thought, freedom of peaceful demonstrations, freedom of assembly, etc. It also includes the dismantling of all exceptional courts and the annulment of all exceptional laws, establishing the independence of the judiciary, enabling the judiciary to fully and truly supervise general elections so as to ensure that they authentically express people's will, removing all obstacles that restrict the functioning of civil society organizations, etc."
With the first link, the chain is forged.
DNA doesn't lie, but you can't always tell what it's "saying"
And those doing DNS tests might lie, and those collecting it might collect extra DNA (it's too small to see) or tamper with it on purpose.
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but how is this "News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters."
Admittedly, it isn't but...
I already read CNN & Google News.
...I hardly ever do (though I realise I probably ought to)...
I already knew this.
I didn't.
I did not need to read this on /. .
Evidently, I did.
Yes, this story may not be tech news, but it's still stuff that matters and it's also a step up in quality from some of the unimportant or downright misleading stories we've had recently.
Newsworthiness is a very subjective thing: frankly I couldn't give a toss about the latest version of Ubuntu or what X says about Y or some actress I've likely never heard of trying to keep her age a secret, but instead of complaining to everyone I just skip to the next article in the list.
He missed.
Uh, you do realize that actually the Muslim Brotherhood hates [wikipedia.org] "western culture" and the U.S., right?
The issue is much more complex than "hating western culture", though there are some that do. Some hate their own rulers, who crushed any calls for political reform and civil rights with pure violence. Some hate the West because for decades the West was seen as backers of those despotic rulers; the West supplied military aid and weapons to the regimes of dictators, who went on to use those weapons against the people. Would you dislike China if they gave military weaponry to Al-Qaeda, who in turn used this weaponry against U.S. citizens? You would partly blame China for attacks using these weapons, right? And in the same way, there are many who partly blame the West for the injustices they have suffered. But, equally, there are many who recognise that the freedoms and democracy that those in the West have, are the same freedoms that they want for themselves. In particular, the Mu
They have also publicly stated that they would like to wage warfare on the west?
Citation? Their public policy is non-violence, and has been since the beginning. This is a stance that has been criticised by other Islamist groups. Certainly, there have been members of the group that have committed violence, but this is true of any large group of humans.
Right. Which explains why one of the first governments that was overthrown in the "Arab Spring" was Egypt... a staunch US ally that the US had poured many billions of dollars into. Congratulations. You managed to set a new record for cluelessness.
The Egyptian government has yet to be overthrown. Egypt was ruled by the military before the arab spring, and it's ruled by the military today.
E pluribus unum
Has been a great year for getting bad guys.
A trial would have been a farce. How can you try a dictator in the heat of battle, especially in a nation where the very same dictator had destroyed civil society?
What? Libya was one of the most free countries in the world, have you ever head of direct democracy? I think that only Switzerland and Finland come close:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamahiriya#Transition_to_the_Jamahiriya
I don't marginalize Gaddafi's brutality, but Libya was freer six months ago than it will ever be again. Do you have any idea what is becoming of "free" Egypt today?
It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
http://www.google.com/search?q=muslim+brotherhood&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Read radical news here
It also says:
The Holy Land Foundation trial has led to the release, as evidence, of[82] several documents on the Muslim Brotherhood. One of these documents, dated in 1991, explains that the goal of the Muslim Brotherhood in the U.S. is "settlement," defined by the author[who?] as a form of jihad aimed at destroying Western civilisation from within and allowing for the victory of Islam over other religions.[83] In another one of these documents, "Ikhwan in America", the author alleges that the activities of the Muslim Brotherhood in the US include going to camps to do weapons training (referred to as Special work by the Muslim Brotherhood),[84] as well as engaging in counter-espionage against US government agencies such as the FBI and CIA (referred to as Securing the Group).[85]
Tell that to Mubarak, he might have a different opinion.
Do you seriously believe US is so inherently cohesive that it would never try to push two opposing agendas through two opposing internal forces? That there are no internal struggles and power games within the US that spill on other countries? Besides,
Supporting "friend Mubarak" was safer than allowing true democracy which would put completely unexpected and uncontrolled force at the helm. Pump dollars into Mubarak suppressing any opposition hostile to the US. Now that one force strong enough to take over and easier to control than Mubarak who began to grow his own spine and see the puppet strings, replace the faulty control interface with a more reliable one...
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doesnt know anything about regional political history.
mobarek as a peon of the previous u.s. governments. as governments change, their policy may vary. before mobarek was used as a balance against israel government. but, recently the policies has changed, and mobarek was proving a liability.
in addition, all of these previous 'us allies' or supposed us 'haters' like kaddafi were used for various filthy deeds, like having people tortured in their country as clients through deals made with u.s. (kaddafi, esad). they became liability in this era of global internet and information, and need to be removed.
cluelessness is an american thing. especially about things happening in overseas, claiming to know more than what people in the region live and learn.
there are analogies of muslim brotherhood in all 'american ally' countries. even in turkey. in turkey what is used for same purpose is the 'nur' organization of fethullah gulen. and they are currently in power in government.
Read radical news here
I wonder why the protests in New York's financial section didn't get a similar catchy title.
The disenchanted protesting for change. It's not as bad as the oppression in the middle east, but those that lose their life savings after working hard for 40 years should have our sympathy, too.
Help! I'm a slashdot refugee.
Whether they got one remains to be seen.
Get your revolver Watson, the game is afoot!
Actually their goal is not waging war on the western world but, in their own words, "eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within, and sabotaging its miserable house."
Or just search "killed by celebratory gunfire." Thousands (or millions) of such events each year, each with thousands of bullets going up in a populated area, odds are someone's going to get hit.
The trajectory does not have to be low, it just has to be enough off 90 degrees for the bullet to keep a ballistic trajectory instead of tumbling.
He turned Libya into the second wealthiest country in Africa, but our neo-colonialist leaders decided this stable government needed to be toppled.
So we and our fellow criminal states funded a band of local never-do-wells. I can't see anything good coming from this.
Reuters has a photo of him injured or dead (or appears to be him) here (warning graphic image): http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20111020&t=2&i=519599498&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=700&pl=390&r=BTRE79J132I00
It also says: The Holy Land Foundation trial has led to the release, as evidence, of[82] several documents on the Muslim Brotherhood. One of these documents, dated in 1991, explains that the goal of the Muslim Brotherhood in the U.S. is "settlement," defined by the author[who?]
Yep, good question. Who says this?
[defined by the author] as a form of jihad aimed at destroying Western civilisation from within and allowing for the victory of Islam over other religions.
Do I understand this right? The document actually says that Muslims should settle in the U.S., and the author [who?] says, well, what they mean by "settle" is "destroy Western civilization from within."
So, essentially, the author [who?] is saying that, regardless of what the documents really say, I can redefine the words to make it say that the Muslim Brotherhood is evil and warlike. So, by this method, any document can be used to prove anything.
I'm getting better! No you're not. You'll be stone dead in a moment...
He always made a big show of his blood and usually very attractive female body guards.
Did he have the decency of getting them out of harms way when it all started going to hell?
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
You should have learned from the Lone Gunmen debacle not to post stories like this. Some of us are Tivo-ing the Arab Spring and don't want to see spoilers in the meantime.
The dog ate my
Tell that to Mubarak, he might have a different opinion.
You are referring to Air Chief Marshall Muhammad Hosni Sayyid Mubarak of the Egyptian Air Force, and the Egyptian army's previous pick to lead the country? I wonder who the army will pick as their next leader of the country?
E pluribus unum
Ssh! You'll make people feel bad about supporting the war in Libya. Remember, this was a media war. Ordinary people in the West are personally invested in a good outcome from the war because they personally wanted it to happen.
This means they will get terribly upset if you start suggesting that maybe Western-backed regime change wasn't such a great idea in this case, just like it wasn't a great idea in any other case (e.g. Iraq, Egypt). Eventually, they will come up with somebody else to blame for why the revolution turned sour, but in the meantime, please, please don't make them feel guilty for needlessly ruining the lives of so many Libyans.
You're an immobile computer, remember?
In the words of the MB spokesman
Words are one thing. Actions are another. And right now, the rebels are doing lovely things like forcibly removing blacks from Libya.
The truth of it is that NATO just helped a bunch of Islamists take over Libya. They helped kill a guy that made a deal with the West (give up WMD's, turn over intelligence to us, get out of terrorism, and open your markets and play nice with us), and then turned around and started bombing him. Qaddafi, though a horrible man, did everything demanded of him in order to make peace with the West. That was the difference between him and Saddam. Saddam never abided by the sanctions, and never renounced his intention to establish a new empire in the Arab world (however hollow those dreams became after the Gulf War). Qaddafi took the deal instead.
Dictators are going to take two lessons from Libya: never trust the West when they offer you a deal, and nukes=respect, so get some atom bombs, stat.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
Make that: http://www.google.com/search?q=muslim+brotherhood
Thanks for including all that other garbage.
For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
'nuff said
When I voted for him in 2008, I never thought Obama would turn out to be the black George W. Bush.
arab spring seems to be a shitty operation by u.s. to topple unfriendly governments to install their own islamist supporters and to oblige the countries to financial system.
Right. Which explains why one of the first governments that was overthrown in the "Arab Spring" was Egypt... a staunch US ally that the US had poured many billions of dollars into. Congratulations. You managed to set a new record for cluelessness.
The cluelessness is on the United States Government for buying into the "Arab Spring" crap in the first place. Had they bothered to actually look at who was driving this stuff, they'd have seen groups like the Muslim Brotherhood all along. Yeah, Mubarek was a staunch US ally, and we encouraged his downfall because our own stupid politcal class bought into the silly and naive narrative that this was all about democracy and freedom and liberty, and that a liberal democratic state was coming to Egypt. Again, the naivete and stupidty here on our part was just mind boggling.
So now they're killing Copts in the streets (with the army's help), burning down churches, and moving to Sharia law. How's that freedom tasting now?
There was never an "Arab Spring". It was always an Islamist insurgency, and yes, the United States government encouraged and supported it, not because it believed Islamism was coming, but because it was thinking like a naive 19 year old from a college campus and bought the hype, especially the State Department. There's your cluelessness.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
Many Libyans have expressed fear to shout and celebrate even with hundreds of freedom fighters around because of this man and what they lived through in fear and anxiety for 42 years. He is a chill in the sub concious of every Libyan according to people who live there even after Trippoli was liberated. His death will give freedom and a relief of anxiety to help people work with the NTC. At least that is what they say on Al Jazeera as they want to make sure he will never come back.
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That's pretty much what I said in the last paragraph. Metaphorically speaking, Ghadaffi while in power could be compared to a dragon: immensely powerful, maliciously whimsical, and given to terrorizing the people below him using that power. But now the dragon has been slain, and the people celebrate in a way they wouldn't dare to do if there were any chance that it could come back.
No "destroy western civilization from within" is a direct quote of the muslim brotherhood itself. This is not an interpretation made by someone else.
He isn't dead. Expect to see him on SNL this week. :)
Once it became clear which way the wind was blowing, the US didn't have a whole lot of choice but support "Arab Spring". What was the alternative? Encourage a Syrian-style slaughter
The alternative was to stay out of it at that point. We also backed the Ayatollah in Iran in 1979 because "that's where the wind was blowing". That turned out well,eh?
Libya was like the Spanish Civil War in many respects. There was no "good side". Just as Spain had Communists vs. Fascists, Libya had Qaddafi vs. Islamists. Best to just stay out of it.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
The author is Mohamed Akram, an operative for the Muslim Brotherhood. Here's the quote:
“The Muslim Brotherhood must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and Allah’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”
The Time headline says "Muammar Gaddafi Is Dead, Says Libya PM; Tripoli Celebrates". If you read Pravda headlines from the 1980s, 1970s etc., the commissars publishing it would have been ashamed to put a headline like this. I guess not in the US though. It's kind of like that strange 1990 New York Times headline when the FSLN lost in Nicaragua, "Americans United in Joy, But Divided Over Policy." The Reuters headline about this is "Libya's Gaddafi caught hiding like a 'rat'". Headlines like that make me long for the subtlety of Julius Streicher's Der Stürmer.
If Tripoli was to be so celebratory over this, why did it take so long for the rebels to take Tripoli? Why was the bombing of the US, UK, France and so forth needed?
We always hear in the news about how Muslim fanatics are who we should be scared of, but it seems that it's always those Arabs who came to power on secular, pan-Arab nationalist, sort of leftish rhetoric (Mossadegh, Saddam Hussein, Qaddafi) who industrialized western countries intervene in to overthrow their governments. We can see the results - Mossadegh was replaced eventually by Islamicized Iran, Iraq went from a secular government to a much more Islamicized one (in its constitution, ruling political parties etc.) under US domination, and now another secular Arab government has fallen at the hands of western intervention and some local myrmidons. Meanwhile the most Islamicized Arab countries like Saudi Arabia are completely protected and supported by the west - including the US military and intelligence helping to brutally put down Arab Spring protests against the dictatorship there, events which were little reported in the corporate press. Even parties like Hamas were originally encouraged and secretly funded by Israel. And of course, Osama bin Laden was financed and armed by the US in the 1970s. Anyone in the Arab world can see how the western countries see their main enemy as Arab secular nationalists. Yet the corporate media in these western countries tries to create fear of the Islamic fundamentalists that these same western countries have worked to develop. The same mass of people who swallow that would easily swallow that "Muammar Gaddafi Is Dead, Says Libya PM; Tripoli Celebrates" and "Libya's Gaddafi caught hiding like a 'rat'" are headlines coming from objective, equanimous news organizations.
Someone got their iPhone 4S and asked "Siri, where is Gaddafi, and how do we end him?"
Yeah, until in a few years whoever's up top thinks 'man, that guy lived a freakin' awesome life for 40 years. If I just make a few changes to make it just a bit better, I could do the same thing for the rest of my life!
One time. THAT is Islam, period. Again; without religions (ANY of them), we'd be flying amongst the stars by now, instead of killing each other over imaginary horseshit.
...Islam.
I fail to see how this affects Nerds. Wheres the technology angle of this story? I mean really i can goto any news site right now and read this...
Sure Student loans affect Slashdot readers.
Acta might affect Slashdot readers.
But i don't see how this affects technology, and im not really happy with the increase in pure political news creeping in here. If its got a tech angle I dont mind it, but common! Was Gaddafi a tech visionary?
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Hello Slashdot,
I enjoy reading computer / electronics related material on your site and in my opinion this type of "casual" news (significance doesn't matter) doesn't fit your profile well.
What I regret is that Ghaddafi could not be interrogated by neutral agencies - say at The Hague. He had close relationships with the IRA, various Palestinian terrorist groups, and very interesting relationships with major oil companies. Now we cannot find out who he worked with, what bribes he paid, and what other crimes he and his government had committed.
He had lots of people working for him, and there is likely paperwork floating around his former government's offices. So there are people to question and document trails to follow, even though he is gone. I expect it will be a few years before the facts come out though, as the new government is starting completely from scratch, and is more concerned with getting basic infrastructure working than criminal justice.
> Now we cannot find out who he worked with, what bribes he paid, and what other crimes he and his government had committed.
It's a shame indeed. It would be really interesting to see if Gaddafi really sponsored Sarkozy's presidential campaign.
This is just a single woman spreading conspiracy theories. And I know, that hormones can influence rational thought, but to throw away all logic just because some girl tells you strange stuff? If you were a muslim extremist with a very negative attitude towards the U.S., would you join a movement which is supposedly sponsored by the very same U.S.? If not, who are the actual people the Muslim Brotherhood consists of? American patriots?
I would certainly trust her more than a nobody who writes in slashdot and is unable to analyse the reality in a non-binary way. The US is supporting the muslim brotherhood using the same strategy that they used before. For instance, they supported the Taliban (see Rambo 3, the movie, for details). They also supported lots of repressive regimes in Latin America (I know, I am from Argentina).
Ah, we got him, shredded some of his sons and I even found my cat. The relatives of the Lost in Lockerbie will be pleased. Most excellent! (..Purr..)
Is not to be seen as imposing Pax Americana on the world, with all the problems that attempting it seemed to cause (Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel/Palestine etc etc). Instead he seems to be trying to say that if he can find a suitable group to lead the charge, then he'll pass them the ammunition and provide fire support.
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The issue many seem to be ignoring in the fledgling, maybe-would-be democracy of NewLibya... is that though he's surely dead, the 'how he died' part is kinda curious. He died (#executed) of his wounds (#without trial). But as they say, live by the sword, die by the multiple GSW to the chest... (or whatever, I've not seen the pictures.)
Nothing more really needs to be said.
"Murderer? Well, that's a harsh word. I prefer to think of myself as a Mortality Technician."
https://rt.com/news/gaddafi-son-saif-dead-331/
Al Arabiya TV has reported that Colonel Gaddafi's son, Saif al-Islam, has been killed on the same day as his father. In the meantime, a Libyan minister says Gaddafi’s heir apparent is wounded and in hospital.
According to Al Arabiya, his corpse has already been brought to Misrata airport.
A trial would have been a farce. How can you try a dictator in the heat of battle, especially in a nation where the very same dictator had destroyed civil society?
Well, how could he claim he was denied justice by being tried with the remaining mechanisms of civil society? If it was good enough for the members of the opposition the people in his regime murdered, it would have surely been good enough for him.
I say the NTC ought to set up camps for the people they identify as those who carried out those murders....And start some ovens.
Free? Are you trolling?
The information you yourself linked to shows these statistics:
Political dissent of any kind was illegal.
As many as 1 in 5 people worked as snitches reporting fellow citizens to the govt.
It had more censorship than any other country in the middle east or africa
Uncounted thousands of citizens were murdered for their opinions.
Thousands of foreigners were murdered in acts of terror.
What is the point of having the "freedom" to vote if you can be jailed or killed by your government for having a different opinion??
The Transitional Government still is in its infancy, and could not organize a legitimate court system for years.
Yet somehow they had a Central Bank up and running within a week or so of the start of the shooting. Interesting, that.
Actually, saying Gaddafi ordered the destruction of an airliner is probably a false accusation; he never admitted any kind of guilt. He acknowledged a Libyan terrorist did it, but said he did not order it. As part of the settlement, his government admitted responsibilty (but not guilt) in exchange for the lifting of sanctions on the country. Gaddaffi was an evil man, but I don't think the Lockerbie bombing was due to him.
gaddafi's death is a big loss for Africa and Arabics. Few People celebrating for one Day because of the sweets and chocolates but they will cry and remember and even miss him forever. He was a man who didn't steal from any foreigner, a man who never begged and one who always give to others. He died in his own land, not as a refuge He stood as a Lone Man and challenged all of them. There is not going to be peace in their hearts until they see all libyans and the rest of africa back to slavery but God is Almighty, Omonipotant, Omonipresent and The World belongs to Him. The Gold, Diamonds,Petrols and Gas. They kill him because they owe libya money they never pay anything, they think they will get everything for free even to steal or kill and even lie. How may great men we're going to keep losing ? who will judge George Bush for the blood of Iraqian People, Congolese People, Afghanistani People . The only thing is true, there's sovereign in God, He will punish them. Gadaffi deserves to be buried in honor and to be mourned by his own people. They put the bombs saying they're protecting you, Are They coming with the money to rebuild the country as they rebuild iraq ??? And other countries they have destroyed
. It's time to Wake up and say No to These Colonisation and Slavery ! Africa deserves to develop and have peace. No peace in Africa and Arabia No peace Else where You will reap what you have planted, America ! God does not Bless You, You have brought the curse in Innocent People God Bless the innocent !
Sic Semper Tyrannis
He died a hero. Bit now as a Russian citizen I'm ashamed of my country for abstaining on the UN resolution. At least we learnt a lesson not to trust NATO. Never forget the their true purpose - to spread Western imperialism. A resolotuin to protect Syrian "civilians" will never pass the Security counsel.
US-UK-Israel: The real Axis of Evil
For instance, they supported the Taliban (see Rambo 3, the movie, for details).
Seriously? You're using movies for factual references?
Dropbox drops it like it's hot.
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Muammar is in his home town of Sirte, dead.
He died like a warrior, surrounded by his loyal followers, who fought on against insurmountable odds until the very end.
He is survived by his enemies, who, if they are lucky, will die the death of cowards—in a hospital bed, fussed over by money-grubbing physicians.
And if they are not so lucky—imagination runs wild.
Being the scum of the earth is not illegal, but there is most likely a limit to how long people will be willing to go on believing that.
I raise my glass of tea to Muammar, a unique and colorful dictator who made other bloodthirsty tyrants look like mice.
Looking forward to seeing the gun camera videos filmed during the Mirage's strike on the convoy.
He would not be tried in Libya.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice
What? Libya was one of the most free countries in the world, have you ever head of direct democracy? I think that only Switzerland and Finland come close:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamahiriya#Transition_to_the_Jamahiriya
As implemented by Gaddafi, Libya was about as democratic as the old Soviet Union, which is to say that it had all the trappings of democracy but none of the substance. It was in not a free nation in any meaningful way, as shown by its repeated and brutal crackdowns on dissent.
It's good to know that democracy, freedom, human rights and fair trials are off to a good start in Libya when you're summarily and publically executing disarmed and injured captives, before dragging his corpse around several streets, in several cities, for several hours to cheering mobs and amateur video while heads of states around the world voice their support for this 'improvement'.