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Anonymous Takes On a Mexican Drug Cartel
New submitter NarcoTraficante writes "After one of their members was kidnapped in Veracruz, Mexico by the Zetas drug cartel, Mexican Anonymous members have issued an ultimatum to the Zetas in a recently posted YouTube video. The video demands the release of the kidnapped member and threatens to publish information of cartel members and affiliates in Veracruz if the victim is not released by November 5. The Houston Chronicle article warns that there will be bloodshed if Anonymous publishes information on the Zeta's operations, either perpetrated by rival cartels or reprisal attacks by the Zetas themselves."
There's already been one politician web page defaced denouncing him as a Zeta.
http://sdpnoticias.com/nota/216899/Anonymous_hackea_sitio_de_presunto_funcionario_involucrado_con_el_narco
Somehow I don't think the Mexican Cartels are too worried about people finding out their names.
After all of the money spent fighting them, it would be ironic if a bunch of hackers brought the cartels down. (Also a hoot) :-)
So why do the police not have this information? Or do they make up the majority of the people on the list?
Undetectable Steganography? Yep, there's an app fo
It won't be difficult; we all know who they are and where they are located," says the man, who underlines the group's international ties by speaking Spanish with the accent of a Spaniard while using Mexican slang."
LOL.. the guy its using a text to speech program.. !!!
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Can I just say that I think it is fucking ridiculous that we send troops all over the world, even just lately to Uganda, but yet we let fucking Mexico turn into New Afghanistan before our eyes. Oh wait. I know. Keep the drug flow up, keep the police state up. More drugs more problems more need for daddy DoD to swell and swell and enforce and strip rights way.
Nevermind Mexico. As you were. We'll come knocking when you actually threaten our financial interest. Until then, keep up the good show. We won't bother.
'We are trying to prove ourselves wrong as quickly as possible, because only in that way can we find progress.' RPF
They're behind seven proxies. The Zetas are phucked.
I will BUY TICKETS to that EVENT!
Wonder if Vegas is taking bets?
-AI
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion
I suppose the outcome of this is going to depend on which faction of Anonymous we're talking about here. Any of the Mexican drug cartels are definitely not Amateur Night. I have to wonder if the Anonymous in question here really understands on a visceral level that these people (if you can refer to any of these drug cartel animals as "people"), if they find them, will kill them, likely in the most hideous and painful manner possible.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
Holder will be sending the cartels even more guns.
"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
This is not exactly the first online community that has been victimized by the Mexican drug cartels lately. ...So if Anonymous has the muy macho cajones, and it seems they do... I wish them well in their endeavors.
http://www.npr.org/2011/09/23/140745739/mexican-drug-cartels-now-menace-social-media
You can't be ahead of the curve, if you're stuck in a loop.
Please, how in the fuck is this news for nerds?
Please stay in your lane, editors.
Oh, so just cause you're not interested means you must deprive the rest?
Interesting... tell me more about your childhood. No sibs, or youngest child?
-AI
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion
The drug cartels are not playing Anon's little kids game of doxing people. :(
"Anonymous" isn't a single group, it's whatever the fuck people want it to be. "Anonymous" has been responsible for hacking kiddie porn sites, yet at the same time trolling sites for people with epilepsy by putting flashing images on them. Those two "anonymous" groups are clearly not the same. Anyone can do whatever and say it's anonymous, there are even groups that don't frequent /b/, it's just a free for all and an excuse to do whatever.
+1 IDisagreeSoHeMustBeATrollOrAnAstroturferOrAShill
An online group wants to take on a real-life drug cartel. This is definitely news for nerds you dumb fuck.
For the love of all sanity mod this insightful/informative!
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the fifth of november...just sayin.
The person reportedly kidnapped is not named...
So your organization is called Anonymous and when one of you goes missing you threaten the suspected culprit while still not naming the missing guy?
It's not like the Zetas only 'disappear' a couple guys a year; they're a massive paramilitary threatening the public safety of entire states. How the fuck are they supposed to know which guy to return? Furthermore, this splinter of Anonymous is already at war with the Zetas. If they believe they can damage the Zetas so heavily with their supposed cache of information why didn't they do so weeks ago?
It all seems like weird internet posturing, although of course hacker groups and drug runners aren't exactly paragons of transparency. There may be so much back story missing that it's pointless to comment on.
Maybe we should hack some random server and leave a file behind saying "Anonymous 2.0". That'll scare the hell out of them ;-)
Write boring code, not shiny code!
I don't think you're reading his statement correctly. I'm not sure you can read any justification for sovereign manipulation into his statements. He's simply saying that if we insist on putting troops in other countries to suit our interests (which includes nations we like, by the way, such as Japan, Germany, and Turkey) why do we ignore that option when an immediate neighbor has paramilitary uprisings in border territories?
Asking why we're pursuing the imperial option stupidly and inconsistently doesn't mean he's justifying the imperial option itself.
Anonymous. It used to be I'm Spartacus.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-14/world/mexico.violence_1_zetas-cartel-social-media-users-nuevo-laredo?_s=PM:WORLD
I'm glad Anonymous is messing with these assholes, but they better do it carefully. The drug cartels work by fear and intimidation.
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Yeah, because comments with up-mods are inherently more truthful than those that have been down-rated.
Are you seriously using thumbs-up counters on YouTube videos as a yardstick for truth, accuracy, or anything at all connected with reality?
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I wish Anonymous the best of luck. At best, they can release a few names and cut some heads off the Hydra. They will be replaced by equally corrupted politicians, policemen, journalists, etc. They might even be replaced by people that will refuse to be corrupted, at first, until they are offered the choice of plata o plomo (silver or lead = become corrupted or die). Most likely, though, they will find out which kidnap victim is being referred-to, torture him until he names names, then follow the chain of names, torturing them and their families, and leave them all hanging from bridges. Honestly, I can't see how this could possibly be a good move. The best move is to pay the ransom or forget about your friend, instead of getting him tortured to death.
To be fair, I feel it necessary to point out that any video display is already "flashing images" - that's how video displays work.
I don't know why I'm risking my karma by pointing this out, but there it is.
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one goes down another takes its place...
Sorry, were you talking about the drug cartels, or members of Anonymous?
If you were talking about the drug cartels, then I think you missed the point - it'll be much more personal to the cartel that goes down.
If you were talking about Anonymous, then you might have been more accurate than you realize. The Streisand Effect is a powerful force.
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(For the idiots who don't know this, a script user isn't a script kiddy)
Script kiddie, from the Wikipedia entry:
A script kiddie or skiddie, occasionally skid, script bunny, script kitty, script-running juvenile (SRJ) or similar, is a derogatory term used to describe those who use scripts or programs developed by others to attack computer systems and networks and deface websites.
Emphasis added to rebut your assertion.
At second glance, it appears this is actually the point you were attempting to make... unfortunately, your condescending attitude and poor communication skills make that difficult to decipher.
Also, your assertion ignores that most "script users" didn't personally create the script they're using.
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Why would they care about the Silk Road at all? Even if the Zetas are behind it, which seems incredibly unlikely, it can't be more than a drop in the bucket of their total operations. More likely, it's run by some nerd in a basement who has more in common with Anonymous than the Zetas.
The Zetas may indeed use the Internet for other purposes, but I doubt they're so brazen as to start a website openly selling drugs direct to users.
The answer to all those questions is "for the lulz." (And that's especially true for the questions for which that answer makes no sense.)
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
In the late 90s there were several bumper crops of poppies in Afghanistan, and the market was glutted. The Taliban put a huge amount of processed poppy essence in storage for future years. THEN they cooperated in the 'successful drug war', with US support, to weaken their enemies. This was a staged event, because all parties involved KNEW that Mullah Mohammed Omar and his allies had big stores (several years of production) in storage. It was 100% hypocrisy from the start, for all parties.
The Reuters article quoted above has a distorted version of the story, consistent with the 'official story' but not with what actually occurred. It leaves out the bit that the US knew that Mullah Mohammed Omar's allies had vast stores of concentrated poppy to sell after production was suppressed. It leaves out how the USA turned a blind eye when its allies in the region grew and sold heroin, but cracked down hard on groups that were hostile to US interests.
Interesting, but doesn't change that one way or the other, under US rule in Afghanistan opium production was raised to unprecedented levels.
"When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
Only because the Western Powers had to employ western police procedure and judicial processes when dealing with them. No taking the owner of the field, when the poppies are discovered, lining him up against the wall a shooting him on the spot.
Undetectable Steganography? Yep, there's an app fo
After December the wolves come home. Meaning this, our Military will be home, and there aren't a lot of jobs. But across the border are cartels, loaded with money and generally being a pain in the ass to the world.
This is where you take finely honed soldiers fresh from the combat zone, and start up some "private Black Ops". The combination of possibilities one can play here are limitless. You can make quick fast scores to finance bigger operations. Dig in, set up intel operations until you map out the players. Then it's a matter of figuring out the most elegant and effective low footprint means of eliminating them. Of course you capture their cache of money, dope, weapons, etc, but more importantly, you establish your own replacement system. You grease the right palms, don't abuse the locals, and bring everything back down under the radar, out of the news and everything becomes a ghost.
Too much attention has been brought to this region, and it's really bad for "the trade". It's sloppy management, as everything is a "management problem" if there is a problem. This is low hanging fruit for young mercenaries home from the dried up tit called Iraq. Any "mercenary operations brain" will recognize this as a golden opportunity. I don't think it's a matter if it will happen, but a matter of who will get the prize.
Personally, if I were conducting these ops, I would eliminate the meth production there and keep it eliminated. Frankly, it's rat poison for people, and America has been dosed enough with it. You would even put the squeeze on and shut down the sex slave traffic. Just focus on making money with weed. It's a cash crop that will make everyone more than enough money, giving you enough muscle in the region to keep things civilized. To make it really easy, you get the locals to farm it for you, and give them a taste of the pie. This keeps them at home, and from swarming across the border. It's a win/win/win situation except for assholes.
Of course this is very illegal and full of wet work, and it has to be done intelligently. Which makes it perfect for Americans. Well, the right kind of Americans that is. Usually this means the kind that not only survive, but thrive in war. Many of the dear gentle readers here have no clue what I mean or think I'm insane or creative. That's fine with me, they are right.
Take the Red Pill.
Does this include the CIA support for Afghan opium production during the Soviet occupation?
"When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
Remember this previous Slashdot Story from 9/16? "Anonymous Kills Websites, Cartels Kill Bloggers". The header opened with the following statement:
"While drug cartels in Mexico are disemboweling people they accuse of blogging about drug violence, Anonymous busies itself taking down Mexican government websites. With all the problems facing people in Mexico right now, including drug cartels extorting teachers for 50% of their pay and killing schoolchildren (thus shutting down the school system), Mexico's biggest oil field in terminal decline and drug cartels kidnapping busloads of people and forcing them into gladiator-style contests to the death, Anonymous' actions appear particularly petty."
There have been plenty of posts along similar lines -- that if Anonymous had any guts they'd be going after the real bad guys. Kind of makes Soulskill's story the one that looks petty, doesn't it?
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Doing Psych work is like throwing water balloons at the ground!
Really should have finished up the degree sooner. Gotten myself
lined up for the recession.
-AI
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion
So what do you get if you merge V with Zorro?
Depends which country you're from. In the UK every child aged 5 and above knows about the plot, because we hold a celebration every year - huge bonfires, massive firework displays and toffee apples.
It's a Guy Fawkes mask? I guess that explains my confusion at why people were dressed as Jack White.
I don't know why I'm risking my karma by pointing this out
I don't know either: -1 Pedantic
There's nothing "fair" about your statement. The images were designed to induce epilepsy. Your average video isn't. Your reply comes off as some kind of excuse for true trollish behavior (some people think "I disagree" in an argument means the other side is trolling).
if you're in another country. Especially a rich one. The reason we tolerate the Mexican drug lords is they mostly keep to their own little piece of hell, plus a few boarder towns full of people who don't matter. If they start acting like terrorists their liable to get 'liberated'.
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Actually, I was referring to the fact that any "flashing image" can cause an epileptic episode - computer screens, televisions, even a flickering candle have been known to induce seizures in patients.
I'm not condoning the behavior of a group of asinine adolescents who thought it would be funny to imagine the users of a website dedicated to the study of epilepsy suddenly having apoplectic fits, I'm pointing out that anyone with diagnosed (and hopefully, treated and manageable) epilepsy knows to avoid "flashing images" already, and is aware that a computer's video output qualifies as a potential source of danger.
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I have been on the site where the whole mentality evolved from the very first post.
Really? You were from Ayashii World BBS network that grew out of Japanese Usenet back in the 90's that spawned a long list of *ch(an(nel)) sites of variable note? Wow, you truly are an oldfag.
Petty rivalry like this will only keep the machine rolling...it will not change anything.
The most effective way to defeat the Mexican drug cartels is very, very simple.
Take away their money.
No money, no power base, and that's that.
The most effective way to take away their money is equally simple:
Legalize their product. Put it under proper federal quality regulation and have legitimate taxpaying law-abiding businesses sell it.
In one action you simultaneously create millions of legitimate and sorely-needed jobs, and also instantly dis empower the strongest criminal segment of our society.
The war on drugs has empowered the worst of humans, and has utterly failed to restrict the supply of drugs available to our children in their schools. This approach to keeping our kids safe is thoughtless and does far, far more harm than good (which is no good at all). This is always the *inescapable* consequence of making highly-desired commodities illegal. More money wasted on law enforcement will only add fuel to the flames.
Keep kids off drugs by educating them about the dangers, not by ensuring that they must share a world full of extremely wealthy and powerful criminal drug lords who have no qualms about lacing food with drugs to get children addicted, or kidnapping and murdering them to get their own way.
Of course, the two biggest opponents of the clear-and-obvious-right-thing-to-do are:
1) conservative religious types who utterly lack the capacity for basic critical thinking
2) The drug lords themselves, who profit greatly from the fact that drugs are illegal
Honestly, I am not sure which is worse....the evil...or the stupid.
I find in odd that you reason as though Mexico doesn't think it owns any of El Estados Unidos since the Mexican-American War. Durring Hurrican Katrina, if I remember correctly, several ARMED APC's outwardly showing their firepower invaded parts of Texas and towards Louisianna when Hurrican Katrina swamped much of the area. Their intent wasn't neutral and they setup stations in various places without permition from the Sheriff, yet they were mostly ignored for the short time as though they were tempting their antagonism against the civil unrest to demonstrate how far they would be tolerated.
Similarly, I find it digusting that Police and Sheriff Deputies don't tolerate The People to open-carry side-arms yet the same Police and Sheriff having no ties to the Constitution demand that The People tolerate their carry and so-called "courthouse justified" use of the same against various individuals they pre-judged them as being CRIMINAL or FELONIOUS. When The People pop, they're taking down the drug companies and the law enforcement and the judiciary and the army, but it seems today The People is more of a abandoned child or endangered animal because everyone is too busy hurting eachother in various unconstitional professions and activities.
Yes, the Mexican Army did send armed convoys to deliver aid to victims of hurricane Katrina. Doing a little research before you comment will not only allow you to impart accurate information, but allow you to give the URL of supporting information to strengthen your position, like this link to a Wikipedia article explaining the situation.
Also, it is fairly difficult to treat information with any amount of respect when the deliverer of that information (that would be you, Mr. Anonymous Coward) has serious issues with spelling, grammar, and (worst of all) capitalization.
Capitalizing random words, or worse yet, capitalizing entire words, presumably for emphasis, is simply ignorant. There are tags such as italics (<i>) and bold (<b>) that should be used for that, instead. Don't forget your closing tags.
Spell-check is a good thing to use, and most modern browsers actually have it built-in for text input fields (I know Firefox does, at least, and Microsoft products tend to have it available by pressing F7). That red squiggle under the word means it is not in the spell-checker's dictionary, so you may want to double-check the spelling before hitting "submit". This Taylor Mali video, entitled "The the Impotence of Proofreading"drives home the point that a spellchecker should not be your only guide, a point made even clearer when you read the text-only version, and realize just how badly mangled that poor student's paper is.
The grammar issues I can't give you a quick fix for; those require knowing how to properly formulate a sentence in the first place (a skill you obviously lack - no offense).
As for any factual information you may be attempting to convey, learn how to use an anchor tag to create a link - this page will show you how.
On a sep
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It would take 1000 pissed of dedicated people to join the mexican airforce.
Then one day, go rogue.
And launch 5000 missiles on all the rich families homes/hotels/assets/offices and drug cartels assets.
Or just hire some muslim saudies to crash a few planes on mexican rich family assets.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Citation needed.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
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The reason cannabis can't be patented, is because the US Government already OWNS the patent!
6630507 is the patent number!
-Myke
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Two young Mexican attorneys attempt to exonerate a wrongly convicted man by making a documentary. In the process, they expose the contradictions of a judicial system that presumes suspects guilty until proven innocent. -- IMDb
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assuming there isn't too much collateral damage.
As powerful and fearsome as the Zetas are in Mexico and the surrounding countries, they would have a harder time carrying out revenge operations in, say, Europe or Asia. So there is a decent sized group of Anonymous members that might be willing to take this on.
And if Anonymous carries out their threat, and the other cartels respond as expected, the Zetas could be seriously weakened.
What would really screw anonymous is if the cartels decide to collude to wipe them out before they even get the chance to do the data dump.
We are the 198 proof..
If we're taking about gangs fighting each other.
I've always said that the best way to solve the gang issue would be to round up all suspected members of gangs and place them om a deserted island. On that island there's insane amounts of weapons and ammo all over the place, clearly marked. Now let them fight it out until nobody is left standing. Problem solved and everybody can say they went down fighting for the gang. No innocent bystanders are affected and the gangs won't take up space in the prisons. There won't be any left to recruit new members so the gang rebuild will be dead slow. You could even televise the whole thing using automated cameras and make money selling the footage.
"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) --
I wouldn't go that far.
I don't know of any cartels that have bombed airplanes, flown them into buildings, attacked the Pentagon (9/11), attacked U.S. military bases, attacked a U.S. Navy warship, or gone toe to toe with U.S. Marines. Moreover, cartel thugs like to kill and make it back home alive. Radical Muslims don't care.
The cartels have killed tens of thousands because no one has stood up to them. The Muslim radicals have killed hundreds of thousands including 4,000 U.S. troops. Radical Muslims have gone toe to toe against far worse than any cartel has.
--- Grow a pair, liberals... stop letting the Republicans bully you!
I don't want to see anyone killed, but wouldn't this one Anon kidnap victim be aware enough to realize that he may be captured or killed for exercising his right to protest against corruption?
What is the purpose for setting a date like November 5th as the date? That provides the Cartel 6+ days to torture the hell out of the kidnapped victim. Does Anon really believe that this threat holds water to the cartel?
Why not go public right away? Why the delay? If their teeth are that sharp and their bite that bad, do already. Release the names, finish the threat, put the info out in the open for the world to see. The longer this takes the more the one will suffer for all Anon.
I have no love for the cartels, I believe them to be ruthless SOB's. And I believe sadly, that US politics has played a major role in the rising of the cartels to such power. And I would like to see everyone knocked down a peg.
But as for the one Anon kidnap victim, I suspect he is already dead.
Life takes interesting turns, but the most interest is when you're off the beaten path.
If you know you and people close to you are going to be dying anyway, the best chance someone important to you survives is to become the barking chihuahua. And start learning to bite.
That's the reality that hasn't really hit home yet in the pampered big country to the north. You're never free until you are willing to fight for your freedom yourself.
Computer memory is just fancy paper, CPUs just fancy pens with fancy erasers; the 'net is just a fancy backyard fence.
I hope they do take those cartels down, because not even the "federales" have been successful at this