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Fracture Putty Can Heal a Broken Bone In Days

An anonymous reader writes "If we break a bone it can take weeks or even month to heal depending on the type and severity of the break. In some extreme cases the complexity of the fracture can make it impossible to heal properly. Researchers at the University of Georgia Regenerative Bioscience Center have come up with a new solution for healing broken bones that cuts recovery time to days. It relies on the use of stem cells that contain a bone generating protein. These cells are injected in gel form directly into the area of the broken bone, where they quickly get to work forming new bone. The end result is very rapid recovery, possibly sidestepping the muscle atrophy that can come with long bone healing times. The gel has been proven to work on animals as big as a sheep and has funding from the DoD. Lets hope it is proven to work on humans in the coming years."

236 comments

  1. How "silly" is it, though? by advtech · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can this putty pick up the comics section from the local newspaper as it heals your bones? If not, I'm out.

    1. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by assertation · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you probably stumped some of the younger slashdotters with that joke.

    2. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Beelzebud · · Score: 0

      You're missing the important implications of this. Can't we just coat our bones in this stuff, and simply bounce off of anything now?

    3. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't know about comics, but it may be able to help a broken humerus.

    4. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What the hell is a local newspaper?

    5. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silly_Putty

    6. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That news site that ends with your local TLD, duh.

    7. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 4, Funny

      Would you really want the latest "Garfield" or "Hagar the Horrible" imprinted on your ulna?

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    8. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Ihmhi · · Score: 5, Funny

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      .

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      And to get around the filter... Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

      P.S. I really wish they'd do away with the filters. It really hampers the possibility for creative ASCII art and the like that actually made Slashdot pretty cool back in the day. =\

    9. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Given that it's been successful in tests on sheep...My assumption was the next step would be treating 'baaaaaaaad baaaaaaaacks'

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    10. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Can this putty pick up the comics section from the local newspaper as it heals your bones? If not, I'm out.

      I think you probably stumped some of the younger slashdotters with that joke.

      yeah, wot's a "newspaper" ?!!!

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    11. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by poetmatt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      says the anon who sadly didn't post creative ascii art.

    12. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Hillgiant · · Score: 5, Funny

      It really hampers the possibility for creative ASCII art and the like that actually made Slashdot pretty cool back in the day. =\

      And my "creative ASCII art", he means "penises".

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    13. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      No, it was goatse.cx from the original shock website. ASCII art example below.

      http://goatse.ch/

      I've been a slashdot member for about 14 years now. I remember the days.

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    14. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      I'm embarrassed to say that I got it.

    15. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It appears to be some combination of the word "news" and the word "paper". I'm confuzzled however, what is "paper"?

    16. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's like a flexible ipad.

    17. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Compulawyer · · Score: 1

      Rickrolling is the G-rated version of linking every comment to goatse.cx. Then Slashdot started putting [realdomainname.tld] after every link.

      Oh those goatse.cx linkers ... what will they think of next?

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    18. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LMFAO! No.
      Stem cells don't last forever once they're injected into your body it will use them.

    19. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Poor Billy Mays is dead. Wonder if this could have helped him in some way.

    20. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by HapSlappy_2222 · · Score: 2

      It's that thing you can't find a job in when your savings run out and you can't afford the internet for craigslist.

    21. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by HapSlappy_2222 · · Score: 1

      I dunno.... even though your joke was funny as hell, it's still hard to read with the caps. I get the joke, but the filter probably SHOULD warn you that what you're about to post could be tricksy to others. Just the price you gotta pay to be a funny fucker.

    22. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Tiny URL?

    23. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if his coke straw was made out of living bone.

    24. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by ImprovOmega · · Score: 1

      Hmm. A new market for the fabulously rich: custom bone tattoos!

    25. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's just silly!

    26. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      I type in all caps in honor of the great Billy Mays. I earnestly await June 28th every year because that's the day everyone can get away with it.

    27. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but sometimes there was cool stuff too. It's a double-edged sword, and while it does filter out the crap it also filters out the potentially cool stuff. I dunno, ASCII art is a big part of geek culture and I find it a bit of a tragedy that Slashdot just doesn't let it work. That and, you know, all of those UTF characters...

    28. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by gmhowell · · Score: 5, Funny

      It appears to be some combination of the word "news" and the word "paper". I'm confuzzled however, what is "paper"?

      It's what we used before the three shells.

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    29. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      Pa...per?

    30. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by gstrickler · · Score: 1

      +1, if I had mod points.

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    31. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by EdIII · · Score: 1

      He can't. The filter prevents it. I tried posting a picture of my penis here (in ASCII art) but it said to use fewer "junk" characters.

    32. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by MagusSlurpy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey, iPads flex! Once, at least.

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    33. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      Do you reckon we'd get some peace and quiet if it was put into toothpaste and given to the republican presidential hopefuls?

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    34. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow, it is just chilling how well you managed to reproduce the obnoxiousness of those adds in your post.

    35. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bro, even slashdot knows, your penis is not that big..

    36. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      I take that as a compliment.

    37. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by digitalsolo · · Score: 1

      Only if we give it to the currently serving Democrat too. ;-)

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    38. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's that thing you can't find a job in when your savings run out and you can't afford the internet for craigslist.

      If you're having trouble getting online, I suggest you stumble into the nearest alley and ask the first random Bum for directions to the public library.

    39. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's what we used before the three shells.

      gmHowell, you are fined one credit for violation of the obscure b movie reference statute.

    40. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      No, it was goatse.cx from the original shock website. ASCII art example below.

      http://goatse.ch/

      I've been a slashdot member for about 14 years now. I remember the days.

      Warning! NSFW!

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    41. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      Tiny URL?

      If you click on one of those on slashdot it serves you right. There is absolutely no need to use one of those here (or indeed anywhere I can think of except in printed magazines or newspapers).

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    42. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      I think the whole point is this may prevent stumps...

    43. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by HapSlappy_2222 · · Score: 1

      I just wish I could get away with snorting all the coke I can get my hands on every June 28th. ;)

    44. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by voidphoenix · · Score: 1

      No shit, Sherlock! ;p

    45. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      You don't wipe your butthole when you shit???

    46. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obscure B movie? The movie was shit, but it was in no way obscure or a B movie.

    47. Re:How "silly" is it, though? by candlebar · · Score: 1

      Silly putty is only for healing a broken funny bone.

  2. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    People creating "jackass" type TV shows and youtube videos are up %1000

  3. Sheep by ChrisMaple · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'd steer clear of anyone involved in bones and sheep.

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    1. Re:Sheep by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think you mean "boning sheep".

    2. Re:Sheep by Stargoat · · Score: 2

      STEER clear of sheep!?!? Wocka wocka wocka!

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    3. Re:Sheep by couchslug · · Score: 2

      The ideal date turns into a case of beer and a pizza when you're done.

      A seat cover and lamb chops ain't bad!

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    4. Re:Sheep by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      STEER clear of sheep!?!?

      You'd better or ewe might get rammed.

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  4. They still have to be your own cells, right? by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It'd be a bummer if you don't have a large supply of your own stem cells in your home fridge, or else this wouldn't work, or am I misinformed and you can use other peoples stem cells for this?

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    1. Re:They still have to be your own cells, right? by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 3, Informative

      Said it was developed from stem cells - but, it is a gell containing a bone generating protein.

    2. Re:They still have to be your own cells, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I had my ankle fused recently and part of the procedure was some kind of putty that they infused with a small sample of marrow they scraped from right below my knee. My recovery was about a month, but it worked remarkably well. I am not sure how that compares to the procedure in this article, but it is not hard to harvest the needed stem cells from the patient themselves.

    3. Re:They still have to be your own cells, right? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Informative

      You have a decent supply of stem cells that should work just fine, right in your body.

    4. Re:They still have to be your own cells, right? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      if you don't have a large supply of your own stem cells in your home fridge

      They know (in the lab anyway) how to take a random cell from you, force it to turn into a pleuripotent stem-cell and then make it become a 'whatever' (e.g. bone) cell. A happy side effect of Bush's fetal stem cell ban.

      So, I guess on a long-term basis, you'll have to wait a few days after you break your bone for this kind of treatment. Or, I guess if you're rich you can have this kind of stuff banked and ready. It's not worth $10,000 a year to me to guard against this kind of wait, but maybe if I had 4 billion in the bank I'd look at it differently.

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    5. Re:They still have to be your own cells, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      if you don't have a large supply of your own stem cells in your home fridge

      They know (in the lab anyway) how to take a random cell from you, force it to turn into a pleuripotent stem-cell and then make it become a 'whatever' (e.g. bone) cell. A happy side effect of Bush's fetal stem cell ban.

      <facepalm> ... I am one of the "they in the lab" you are talking about. 1) iPS cells are great, we're doing lots of work with them, but they also do some unpredictable things and we do not fully understand the differences between them and ES cells. We will, don't get me wrong, but there's a lot of work yet to do; and 2) iPS cells happened in Japan, because one of Yamanaka's postdocs was interested in studying what it is that makes an ES cell an ES cell and starting flinging pools of transcription factors into somatic cells. It had nothing to do with Bush anything (except I suppose you could say that it might have happened first in the U.S. if not for the relatively hostile environment for ES cell research).

      Be very clear - iPS research *is* ES cell research, it relies on the foundation of culture and differentiation conditions that has been collected over the last decades in human and murine ES cell work, and the iPS process was discovered only because of the extensive work already done in this area. And no, the mouse work alone was not enough, human ES/iPS culture conditions are significantly different from mouse ES. Many people (myself among them) are very hopeful that in the not too distant future, iPS cells will substitute for ES cells in clinical applications, eliminating many of the (quite real and varying degrees of reasonable) ethical concerns around pluripotent stem cell therapies. But we're not there yet, and you may *not* rewrite history to pretend that ES cell research was some sort of unnecessary distraction along the way.

    6. Re:They still have to be your own cells, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Currently we are unable to accept private, custom orders from individuals to make hiPSCs for clinical use.

      (The FDA would not smile about it. Also, it would cost WAY more than $10K/year.)

      But if you want to try reprogramming cells in your home laboratory and freeze down your own lines in your own liquid nitrogen, go for it. I won't stop you. ;)

  5. Here we go... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The question we're all afraid to ask:

    What happens if I rub this stuff on my penis?

    1. Re:Here we go... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Depends how fast and hard you rub

    2. Re:Here we go... by schlachter · · Score: 4, Funny

      boner

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    3. Re:Here we go... by wierd_w · · Score: 2

      Ever heard of a bacculum?.....

      Here's a hint.. the bone forms through ossification of a portion of the corpus cavernosum.

      Another hint: humans are one of the few (only?) Primates to lack them.

      (Granted, you would probably have to inject the stuff for that to happen.... and I doubt it would be controlled.)

    4. Re:Here we go... by HapSlappy_2222 · · Score: 1

      The same thing that happens if you were to rub it on any other penis. Why would you think you would be any different? Geez.

    5. Re:Here we go... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever heard of a bacculum?.....

      Here's a hint.. the bone forms through ossification of a portion of the corpus cavernosum.

      Another hint: humans are one of the few (only?) Primates to lack them.

      (Granted, you would probably have to inject the stuff for that to happen.... and I doubt it would be controlled.)

      Is it like a bonus? Contact the Head-On people.

    6. Re:Here we go... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It develops an internal structure and you find sitting down REALLY DIFFICULT. Plus, there's the 'specially tailored clothes for the rest of your life' factor... and guess what? Bones can break. Try getting people to sign *that* cast. >D

  6. Could not be fun beeing the sheep. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not that many naturally occurring bone fracture in sheep that could be used for testing.

    care to take a guess how they "found" the sheep's with broken bones ?

    1. Re:Could not be fun beeing the sheep. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      No need to guess. They break the sheeps' legs. This is why animal testing exists.

    2. Re:Could not be fun beeing the sheep. by Effugas · · Score: 1

      You realize this is completely unscientific garbage, right? None of http://www.fwi.co.uk/Articles/25/01/2011/125212/Handle-with-care.htm makes sense outside of a conscious entity.

    3. Re:Could not be fun beeing the sheep. by sexconker · · Score: 2

      So what? Sheep are not conscious. Life does not equal consciousness.

      No consciousness = no ability to suffer or to have emotions. They don't feel pain, their nervous system just processes the information that it is wounded the same way your laptop processes the fact that it's battery is empty or that it's keyboard has been amputated... I mean unplugged.
      They respond to wounds and injuries, but they don't interpret any of it as pain without consciousness. And no evidence shows sheep are conscious (unlike other animals).

      There is exactly as much evidence to show that sheep, plants, and rocks are conscious as there is to show that humans are conscious.

      Step 0: Cogito ergo sum
      Step 1: Define consciousness
      Step 2: Describe the physical construct and mechanisms which create consciousness
      Step 3: Identify consciousness in various things
      Step 4: Show that no other construct / phenomena could result in consciousness
      Step 5: Identify a lack of consciousness in various things

      We're on step 1.

    4. Re:Could not be fun beeing the sheep. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gotta feed 'em - keep the bridges safe.

    5. Re:Could not be fun beeing the sheep. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In response to the "sheep don't feel pain" argument.

      Trying saying that when you hear the sheep crying in pain.
      Your argument can be applied to literally anything that isn't you because you or they cannot refute it.

      Stop being a fucking moron.

    6. Re:Could not be fun beeing the sheep. by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      I would assume they put a tail on the sheep mafia and waited for said mafia to pay a visit to sheep who weren't keeping up on their protection money. So I'm still waiting for research that says this putty is good for bones other than the kneecap.

    7. Re:Could not be fun beeing the sheep. by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "care to take a guess how they "found" the sheep's with broken bones ?"

      I could care less. I'm at the top of the food chain and have the Natural right to use those below me.

      In other news, both my cat and my chickens play with mice for fun before eating them. (Chickens act quite like one would imagine their dinosaur predecessors did!) Neither asked me if they had the right to do that.

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  7. Endorsed by Evel Knievel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He would have made a great pitch man for this stuff.

  8. NOW they develop this... by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I just spent six weeks in a cast after breaking my right arm Christmas Night (no...no rogue or drunk reindeer involved). There is now a titanium plate and six screws in my arm. My other wrist is broken also (yes...I fell and had a hell of hard time getting up). Now, I have to endure painful PT to regain full use of my arm again and have a 5 inch scar too (no...it is NOT cool).

    How I would have loved to have this stuff injected into the fractures and have it immobilized for a few days while it took action and fuzed the bones. I do hope this comes to fruition...cool stuff. Who said war wasn't useful?

    1. Re:NOW they develop this... by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      . I do hope this comes to fruition...cool stuff. Who said war wasn't useful?

      Take all the money we spend on wars and spend it on R&D. We'll get a lot more cool stuff a lot faster. War is not useful. It's good for absolutely nothing.

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    2. Re:NOW they develop this... by Intropy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Good God, y'all.

    3. Re:NOW they develop this... by jdastrup · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I consider myself religious and do not hate stem cells. In fact, I support stem cell research. "People that are against stem cell research" have been trying to block this, not religious people. Yes, as with everything, there is some overlap. But many religious people own toasters. Does that mean all religious people like toast?

    4. Re:NOW they develop this... by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 5, Funny

      War is not useful. It's good for absolutely nothing.

      No..it always has the minimum benefit of teaching Americans geography.

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    5. Re:NOW they develop this... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Take all the money we spend on wars and spend it on R&D. We'll get a lot more cool stuff a lot faster. War is not useful. It's good for absolutely nothing.

      If the money not spent on war were spent instead on R&D, this would be true -- cut the DoD budget in half and give the money to NIH and NSF, and we'd have a boom in science and technology like none the world has ever seen. But politics doesn't work that way. The military wastes a hell of a lot of money, no question about it. It also spend a lot of money on very worthwhile research, and like it or not, it's easier to get Congress to appropriate that money for wounded soldiers. Who, regardless of your opinion on the way in which they were injured, deserve to have their wounds cared for as well as possible by the same government that sent them out to get injured in the first place.

      In the specific area of trauma care, the simple fact is that most of modern emergency and orthopedic medicine is an outgrowth of military medicine. Like it or not, next time you call 911, you'll have a much better chance of survival because of generations of work directed toward keeping wounded soldiers alive.

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    6. Re:NOW they develop this... by evil_aaronm · · Score: 1

      I hear ya. I could've used this stuff 30+ years ago, when breaking bones was almost a monthly thing. Then again, I might've done even dumber things.

    7. Re:NOW they develop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      To put that into terms that much of the Slashdot community can understand (not quite a car anology, not sure how to make one for this):

      The US Armed Forces are the beta testers of a whole lot of R&D, much of which wouldn't be progressing as quickly otherwise due to lack of participants.

      Would that make them test-drivers of new car models? As above, I'm not so good at the car anologies.

    8. Re:NOW they develop this... by Nyder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ... Who said war wasn't useful?

      Family members of the dead.

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    9. Re:NOW they develop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, some religious folk have a problem with embryonic stem cells because they are basically the product of abortion. There are other stem cells about which there would be no objections.

    10. Re:NOW they develop this... by thestudio_bob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      War is not useful. It's good for absolutely nothing.

      I don't know, they had some pretty solid hits ("Low Rider", "Spill the Wine", "The Cisco Kid" and "Why Can't We Be Friends?") and seem to have a fairly decent following. Just because you don't like American Funk, doesn't mean someone else doesn't.

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    11. Re:NOW they develop this... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think that's a pretty good almost-car analogy.

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    12. Re:NOW they develop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The waste comes from the politicians and bureaucrats. The military spends what they are told to spend ON what they are told to spend it on. Civilians have the final authority.

    13. Re:NOW they develop this... by jbb999 · · Score: 1

      I broke my arm and dislocated my elbow in november. Looks like I'll make a complete recovery but it's quite painful and annoying.

      However the break isn't the problem, the plate and screws fix that. The problem is the dislocated elbow and the tissue damage and damage to tendons, muscles etc. That's what it takes time to recover from and I doubt that this will help with that part...

      Still sounds cool though !

    14. Re:NOW they develop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not that odd. Soldiers have (ostensibly) a choice. Fetuses (which are viewed as living humans by those against abortion and against embryonic stem cell use) are not given the choice. Fight the belief that a fetus is a living human being if you want to fight those against abortions and embryonic stem cell research. So long as you enter the debate assuming (rather than proving) that a fetus is not a living human being you cannot possibly win them over because your whole argument is a non-sequitur to the other side.

    15. Re:NOW they develop this... by SleazyRidr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No it doesn't, they just remember the names of places. The Chaser did a bit where they took a map and rewrote it so that Australia was labelled as either Iran or North Korea, then showed that map to Americans and asked them to located them. They just saw the name, and pointed at it saying "there it is!"

    16. Re:NOW they develop this... by cmr-denver · · Score: 1

      Yes, if it has an image of [insert holy figure here]> magically appearing on it! Likewise for grilled cheese

    17. Re:NOW they develop this... by timeOday · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If I were an injured soldier, I might want a break. Perhaps athletes will be among the first adopters. If you want to find people who are often injured, and to whom recovery might be worth tens of thousands of dollars per day, look to the NFL.

    18. Re:NOW they develop this... by N3Bruce · · Score: 2

      Amen Brother!!

      I really wish this discussion would take a more serious tone than boning sheep!

      I was involved in a serious car accident last May (I was the front seat passenger and the other driver was at fault), and which resulted in a compound fracture of my Tibia and Fibula. I spent 2 weeks in a trauma center followed by 3 weeks in a rehabilitation hospital, followed by months of physical therapy, and now wound care (the force of the impact ripped the front of my leg open). My most recent X-rays show incomplete healing of the Fibula, even after 8 months. While poor circulation in my legs is part of the reason I am slow to heal, even under the best of circumstances a fracture like this will result in several months of disability. Electrical stimulation is probably the next step, but orthopedic medicine in its current state doesn't have much more to offer me, and I certainly don't want to go back under the knife again if I can avoid it. Here is hoping they can bring it into the mainstream soon!!

    19. Re:NOW they develop this... by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      But many religious people own toasters. Does that mean all religious people like toast?

      Depends. Is this the toaster in question?

    20. Re:NOW they develop this... by idontgno · · Score: 4, Interesting

      With the interesting side effect of calling most members of the armed forces crash test dummies.

      I'm a veteran, and I have used VA medical care. I have to confess that this analogy works very well from that perspective.

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    21. Re:NOW they develop this... by Stormthirst · · Score: 1

      I've been trying to find some stats on atheists who object to stem cell research - but I can't find many. What I have found are a number of atheist and Christian forum type sites which discuss stem cell research (among other things). Overwhelmingly, the atheists support stem cell research - in the region of 95% - 98%. The reverse is true of Christians (I don't have time to do much research into other religions, but as that's the vast majority of American religious types, I'll stick with that). There seems to be much more of a balance - in the region of 50% for/against. (By research, I mean a casual 20 minutes of reading various sites to get sense of what people are saying - no actual data collected).

      As a generalisation, when someone says "stem cell" the lay person will think of the cells harvested from a foetus. And that's where (particularly the right wing/conservative) religious types get their panties in a twist because "obviously" in order to get foetus' you have to do abortions*. There are far more pro-choice atheists than there anti-abortionists, and the reverse is true.

      So when you talk about overlap, I would say there is a significant overlap - and that you are probably not in the majority.

      Very few people think of stem cells as being from an adult. I certainly didn't until recently.

      * This is of course complete bollocks - there are plenty of stem cells in the placenta and umbilical cord which are 'born' right after the baby. Harvest the cells from there after the kid is born!

      But many religious people own toasters. Does that mean all religious people like toast?

      Correlation != Causation. I'm sure 99% of murderers each some kind of bread product within 24 hours of committing murder, but I don't think they are going to ban bread any time soon.

    22. Re:NOW they develop this... by L3370 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      whats really odd is conservatives are fine with killing adults knowing sometimes they just might fry an innocent person, but the second you suggest an abortion of a non sentient cluster of tumor-like cells they scream like a stuck pig.

      We could go so many routes with this conversation.

    23. Re:NOW they develop this... by Tarsir · · Score: 1

      Don't feel so bad. The treatment probably causes cancer.

    24. Re:NOW they develop this... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      Heh, good point.

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    25. Re:NOW they develop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The titanium plate and screws is to restore structural integrity, and provide a stable scaffold while the bone can heal. You'd still need the plate even with the gel, it's just the bone-regrowth phase would go faster.

    26. Re:NOW they develop this... by wierd_w · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is only true because it is easier and more economical to destroy the blastocyst for collection than it is to harvest single cells from them nondestructively.

      This then causes a viscious circle, in which researchers requiring access to fresh embryonic cell cultures are strapped for cash and labspace/time, because they are denied funding, because of destructive collection techniques. Being strapped for cash and time, they can't realistically use nondestructive techniques using the limited funds they get from private investments, and still do their research... necessitating destructive collection. (Which in turn, reinforces the situation where they don't get grant money.....)

      The solution is to offer grant money with the hardlined requirement of nondestructive collection. When the majority of embryonic stemcell collection is non-fatal to the embryos, then the religious types won't object to the collection and research.

      The scientists cannot really be the ones to act here; they are strapped for research funds enough already, and are the victims of the viscious circle. The ones that need to act are the religious politicians who are currently ignorant/recalcitrant of the non-destructive alternatives. (These non-destructive approaches have been around since the 90s, when the whole embryonic stemcell shitstorm started. I remember a c-span segment late on a Saturday night with a cellular biologist giving a presentation against the stemcell funding ban to a practically empty building. The politicians had scheduled his presentation for a time when they wouldn't be there. The whole basis of his presentation was the refutation of the "embryonic stemcells == murder" partyline that was driving the ban's momentum. It was a very good presentation, but again, nobody was in attendance.)

      If you ask the hardnosed "embryonic stemcells are murder!" Religious crowd what they would think if the cells could be harvested without destroying the blastocyst, thus preserving it for future implantation, you will find that they react with shock, curiosity of if that's true, and then curiosity/anger of why that isn't done exclusively.

      The problem is not that the tissue comes from blastocysts. The problem is that the blastocysts are destroyed. This is only necessary because of the funding restrictions an.d the added costs and culture times associated with single cell extractions.

      Fix the funding problem with some limiting verbage to require nondestructive collection, and the whole ethical tapestry dissolves like cotton candy in a rainstorm.

      Of course, the real challenge is getting the willfully ignorant in government to realize what they are doing.... as the poor researcher found out the hard way. I don't remember his name, but whoever he is, I do applaud the effort.

    27. Re:NOW they develop this... by Nutria · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've only seen conservatives and the religious get their panties in a twist over fetal stem cell research. Back in the day, W made it as explicit as possible that he was only banning fetal stem cell research.

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    28. Re:NOW they develop this... by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      The religious people you refer to are against embryonic stem cells being used because the embryos are destroyed.

      Though "strangely" those same people rarely have a complaint about IVF treatment.

    29. Re:NOW they develop this... by Nutria · · Score: 0

      And in none of them you'll convince me that a human blastocyst isn't actually human.

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    30. Re:NOW they develop this... by deathlyslow · · Score: 1

      I know what you mean. A couple of years ago I was in pretty serious motorcycle wreck and ended up trashing my right upper torso and extremities. Four operations and two plates later I have one arm that is about 5mm shorter than the other. Plus I had compression fractures of t5 and t8, I'm now half an inch shorter that I was. Each surgery on my wrist was basically breaking and adjusting the bones for the best fit. The day of the wreck I had a plate and 11 screws to reattach the head of the radius. Then about 9 months after that, once the initial fracture mostly healed they had to remove that plate and associated hardware due to mobility issues, or should I say lack there of, and cut and section the ulna, an ulnar wafer osteotomy they called it. That added another plate and I think six more screws. All told I've only had "normal" use of my wrist in the past three to four months. It would have been so much nicer if I didn't have to do that. As for my back they said that the only real option was to put me in a brace and said don't take it off unless I was flat on my back. That was no fun. This is what it looked like http://www.aspenmp.com/images/stories/gallery-aspen-cto/gallery-aspen-cto-1.jpg. That was the worst months I have had to go through. If that could have been shortened to 2-3 weeks instead of several months to two years would have been worth it.

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    31. Re:NOW they develop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not so sure they're learning much geography from war. The last time, they were looking for a Saudi-Arabian man who attacked them from Afghanistan and went hiding in Pakistan, yet they went looking for him in Iraq.

    32. Re:NOW they develop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for all those people that have no idea there's a difference.

    33. Re:NOW they develop this... by HapSlappy_2222 · · Score: 2

      Sorry man - I feel for you. Broke my scaphoid snowboarding 8 or 9 years ago (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaphoid_fracture). It was in smithereens, really; a full break down the middle and another less-complete fracture offshooting from the center of that. Which ones did you break? The wrist, especially, has a lot of little bastards in a wee tiny bit of space, and anything needing pins in your other arm must have meant it was NASTY.

      In my case, I had the option to go with pins and a small supportive plate, but the expensive-as-hell surgery was expected to leave me between 50 - 70% range of motion. My other option was a cast with hope that the bone would heal well, which would leading to an almost full recovery. Sadly, it did not (the scaphoid's blood supply is super weird; when it breaks it has a very high incidence of necrosis). What should have been 3 months in a cast was nearly 2 years. The initial 3 months was spent in a full arm cast, fingertips to collarbone. Rough.

      The little bastard STILL makes my wrist hurt, pop, crackle, and sometimes just not work quite right, over a decade later. I still can't do some things without mild to serious pain, like weight lifting, bowling, shooting a basketball, riding a bike; hell even using the gearshift in my car hurts if I twist or pull my wrist just right. (Before the ACs tease me with the oh-so-original joke, I switched hands years ago for that, and haven't looked back since. =). Anyway, when it finally started to fuse together, you could see how oddly it healed in the x-rays; the angle is now all wrong and my other wrist bones are displaced accordingly.

      I can tell you, if they get this stuff to the point that treatment in people is generally successful, I'll gladly undergo a re-break and re-set. If I could be assured of a quick, and just as importantly, successful recovery this time around, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I turned down surgery for the risks and cost in the first place, and turned it down again after the cast came off for the fear of many more months of recovery PLUS no guarantee of success anyway.

    34. Re:NOW they develop this... by deathlyslow · · Score: 1

      I'm a Bible believing Christian and I have a problem with not using the cells resulting from a an early-term abortion. I'm not trying to be funny or hurtful, but that is just being wasteful. At that point the person's life is over. How is that different than being an organ donor? I would counsel someone still in the decision making process that there are other options to abortion, keeping the child and adoption are a couple. I don't think it is correct to not give options. It's wrong to tell a woman, or a man for that matter, what and how to think. I can tell them what I would do, or what I think is a good choice, but I would not tell them that they have no choice in the matter either way. I would prefer that the consenting individuals involved would use some common sense and some form of contraception, but that would require being responsible for your actions, yeah that will happen. Yes, there are some instances that I understand the reasoning for the abortion, incest, rape, danger to mother, or the baby suffering some form of deformity that would preclude a normal fulfilling life. I don't condone it but I understand it. I'm completely against late-term abortions, period, all stop. These are my beliefs like it or not. In the end we all have to live our lives as we feel we are compelled to live them. If you are a non-believer, and you are wrong, when you die you will be in for a very rude awakening. If you are a believer, and you are wrong you will be in, oh wait you won't care.

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    35. Re:NOW they develop this... by wreakyhavoc · · Score: 1

      And in none of them you'll convince me that a dinoflagellate isn't actually human.

    36. Re:NOW they develop this... by wreakyhavoc · · Score: 1

      Say it again, now.

    37. Re:NOW they develop this... by wreakyhavoc · · Score: 1

      mod up

    38. Re:NOW they develop this... by HapSlappy_2222 · · Score: 1

      Agreed - claiming religious people as a group hate stem cells is, at best, a stretch.

      The only sustained opposition to stem cells that I've researched are for those that come from aborted fetuses. Opinions on the ethics of this type of stem cell procurement can REALLY vary, regardless of a person's background or religious affiliation. After all, even a staunch pro-lifer could argue that it's better to salvage something from the already-lost fetus, and even a staunch pro-choicer could argue that using stem cells from an aborted fetus is ethically similar to harvesting organs, and then follow up with an argument about why that, in turn, is unethical.

      At the other end of the spectrum, even though I'm atheist, I question how useful aborted fetal stem cells really are without bringing religion into it at all. There's plenty of other avenues for stem cells, including grabbing some at the time of the child's birth (the docs asked me if I wanted to for my daughter 10 years ago; spendy as hell back then) and your own spinal cord (these are less effective, though). AFAIK, fetal stem cells are most useful to that fetus as it grows, so cells from aborted fetuses are typically used for testing purposes instead of for the general population.

      See? An various opposing opinions without relying on a god or lack thereof. I always wonder why folks like the grandparent assume atheists and religion-folk have to be at odds on all things. Really, it's just one (big) thing.

    39. Re:NOW they develop this... by wreakyhavoc · · Score: 1

      Remind me again how those sheep got those broken bones? ---- Recycle used countries.

    40. Re:NOW they develop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could see hockey players getting an injection and not missing a shift.

    41. Re:NOW they develop this... by HapSlappy_2222 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'd actually go you one further and say "some people you refer to" instead of "religious people you refer to".

      Religion doesn't necessarily have have anything to do with opinions on abortive stem cell harvesting, research, or usage, for either side. Here are two anecdotal examples:

      1- My mother is very religious, but thinks abortive stem cells should be harvested since the embryos/fetuses are lost already. Her position is one of salvaging what possible good can come from what is essentially a complete tragedy.

      2- I'm atheist, but I think there are plenty of other ways to harvest stem cells, and I think abortive embryonic/fetal stem cells are of questionable long-term use anyway. Using your own stem cells, which your parents (hopefully) acquired for you at birth, is FAR superior, and we should be striving to have stem cells harvested from as many births as possible. There are also certain types of useful cells residing in your spinal column, though they aren't as nearly as amazing as the ones available at birth. Although I'm not *ethically* against the harvesting of abortive stem cells, my position is one of utilizing the non-abortive avenues of procurement to their full potential, and only using abortive stem cells for testing purposes or as a last resort.

      As I said, these are anecdotal, but I can see lots of people having various opinions on this type of subject, and the claim that only the religious are on one side and only the non-religious are on the other is just plain false.

    42. Re:NOW they develop this... by grammar+fascist · · Score: 1

      Bah. This is human nature, not just Americans.

      Each of our states is as big as a country. How many Europeans could name the states surrounding the one I live in? Not many.

      In this country, a Texan is as close to a foreigner as most people are likely to meet.

      When I lived in Scotland, I was asked at least twice a month whether I knew Pamela Anderson. (No, by the way.) The kids there had no idea just how big this place is. Friggin' huge, is what it is. Like Sputnik.

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    43. Re:NOW they develop this... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      War is not useful. It's good for absolutely nothing.

      So, I guess you neither make bombs or run a central bank. Silly, Hatta, wars are for profit.

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    44. Re:NOW they develop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The war machine develops tech because they need to. if we had the same driving desire to improve, without needing an "enemy" to defeat, we could have the intensive R&D connected to war, with the better payoff from civilian research. Currently, humans are more motivated by war than altruism or truth seeking, even plain profit. Of course, if we exploded a giant squid in New York, maybe we could spur research to battle the alien hordes about to land.

    45. Re:NOW they develop this... by jonnythan · · Score: 1

      Well the reason they had to cut into you and screw a plate on was because the fracture was displaced. No amount of putty injections will put the bone where it's supposed to be. They'd still need to do the surgery, but the healing time would be 1-2 weeks instead of 6 (the soft tissue still needs time to heal).

    46. Re:NOW they develop this... by BancBoy · · Score: 2

      Say it again!

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    47. Re:NOW they develop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're talking about people who volunteer to live in crummy conditions and get shot at. As far as regular army infantry goes, at what point did you think "intelligence" came into play?

    48. Re:NOW they develop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were an American in Scotland so I will go gentle on you, but perhaps they where being sarcastic. Or would you have us believe that a large portion of Scottish children think you personally know a specific American celebrity. The fun we have in the UK with our US colleagues is that you take everything so seriously, you are hardly capable of imagining an intelligent person purposely acting daft just to rile you.

      Comparing states in the US to individual countries in Europe is ludicrous. Even something so simple as the cultural identity between England and Scotland is a gulf compared to the homogenisation of culture across the US. The difference of course is that the US was forged as a single entity and modern communication facilitated this culture transfer across the entire breadth of the country. You should be proud, it's one of the United States biggest strengths. The lack of this is also what makes Europe so complex politically and also culturally, this combined with the thousands of years of history is what makes us "quaint "as i have observed so many Americans commonly put it.

    49. Re:NOW they develop this... by kaizokuace · · Score: 1

      not quite. The soldier signs their body away in their contract with the military. A lot of R&D testing and ideas come from trying stuff out in the field with soldiers. Cut out the field trials and real life situations and you could throw all the money you want at R&D. Not too many research situations like that exist in civilian world.

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    50. Re:NOW they develop this... by Inda · · Score: 1

      I broke a bone in my foot. A week after the event, when I felt it wasn't just a simple knock, I went to the doctors. He told me the break would have healed itself after four days and there was nothing he could do. I understand it wasn't fully healed but is there really any need for this putty?

      My foot is 100% fine today.

      Also broken my lower jaw in 3 places, upper in 2, and nose, over three different occasions. Liquid food for ten week is not nice.

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    51. Re:NOW they develop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US is big, but you should take a look at Russia if you are going to be throwing around words like "Friggin' huge".

    52. Re:NOW they develop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, you wrote that in reply to an Aussie.

      Who's from a country that's 99% of the size of the lower 48, but only has 6 states and 1 territory.

      Texas is 696,241 km2.
      My home state of Queensland is 1,730,648 km2. It's not even the largest Australian state.

      Size has little to do with it - ignorance knows no boundaries.

      BTW, I've known a few Aussies who were clueless about geography, too - although that mostly related to failing to appreciate the scale of a state where you can drive for 22 hours in the same direction on the same highway and still not cross a state line.

      But the surprisingly common and profound ignorance of the world outside the US that I encountered while living there surprised me greatly.

    53. Re:NOW they develop this... by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

      'Your leg is all healed up now, champ, so get back in the game for some more brain damage! Go Team!'

    54. Re:NOW they develop this... by silentcoder · · Score: 3, Informative

      >I've only seen conservatives and the religious get their panties in a twist over fetal stem cell research. Back in the day, W made it as explicit as possible that he was only banning fetal stem cell research.

      1) Back in the day when he made that ban, there wasn't any other kind. The adult stem-cell harvesting techniques only got invented to get around the ban.

      2) Even then it was stupid. Nobody was proposing doing special abortions for stem cells, just using the ones from the abortions happening anyway. Even then that wasn't required - fetal stem cells don't require abortions at all and could even then be harvested in quantity from things like the placenta and umbilical cord.
      So there was a massive ready supply being dumped in the medical waste basket at every hospital maternity ward in the world for no reason whatsoever.

      Now while the discovery of adult stem-cell harvesting opened up some useful new avenues of treatment, the fact is that the gap between the ban and that development greatly slowed down massive areas of research and many treatments that may have been becoming available now will still be away for several years - years during which many patients will die who would have lived if not for that ban.
      So much for a pro-life law.

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    55. Re:NOW they develop this... by silentcoder · · Score: 2

      > If you are a non-believer, and you are wrong, when you die you will be in for a very rude awakening. If you are a believer, and you are wrong you will be in, oh wait you won't care.

      You know, you wrote so sensibly, then you ended on Pascal's Bargain - which sadly has been completely and utterly discredited for the utterly horrible and illogical trash-argument it always was.

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    56. Re:NOW they develop this... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      You'd think that a country that banged on about foetuses so much would at least learn how to spell the word properly. It's like paedophile, you hear Americans pronouncing the first syllable to rhyme with dead instead of feed, simply because they can't spell it properly.

      I can imagine a lot of Americans ending up by pronouncing "fetus" to rhyme with let us.

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    57. Re:NOW they develop this... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Not that odd. Soldiers have (ostensibly) a choice.

      How about people subjected to capital punishment? Do they get a choice?

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    58. Re:NOW they develop this... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      And in none of them you'll convince me that a human blastocyst isn't actually human.

      It's human in the sense that your sperm or blood is human. But it's not a human. It's not a human being.

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    59. Re:NOW they develop this... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Huh?!

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    60. Re:NOW they develop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I lived in Scotland, I was asked at least twice a month whether I knew Pamela Anderson. (No, by the way.)

      I am 99.9% sure they were being sarcastic. I know several people here who have been asked - in all seriousness - by an American "Hey, I know a guy from Scotland. Do you know [first name here]?"

    61. Re:NOW they develop this... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      You were an American in Scotland so I will go gentle on you, but perhaps they where being sarcastic.

      As an English person who lived in Scotland, I used to look out for Americans, point them out to the locals and enjoy the sight of someone being battered more than me.

      I am joking. Sort of.

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    62. Re:NOW they develop this... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I thought due to its carefree gun policy the US had plenty of shooting victims on its hands to practise on anyway?

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    63. Re:NOW they develop this... by Nutria · · Score: 1

      No. But you're as convinced of the rightness, logicalness, rationality and obviousness of your point as I am of mine.

      But I've had this argument before and no one's mind is changed.

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    64. Re:NOW they develop this... by davvr6 · · Score: 1

      I'm an atheist. But, I'm not against any element in religion promoting freedom and enlightenment.

    65. Re:NOW they develop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This gel thing only works if there's no force across the break or the break can't heal on its own cleanly. E.g. break a collar bone and have one of the ends punch through the fascia (muscle sheath) so it traps said fascia between the two ends of the now broken bone. It ain't gonna matter how much junk you throw/inject/spew at it, it ain't gonna heal. As a result (in this example), the shoulder girdle musculature starts pulling the shoulder in towards the chest (by inches - it's visible). At that point, the orthopod says, "we're gonna have to cut ya". So, you end up with either a metal plate with associated screws, or a cadaver derived replacement.

      Yes, I know what I'm talking about (up to the exact medical terms), having lived through it. In a month or so, I had lost 1.5"" of distance between my neck and the shoulder on that side after the accident (compared to the other side). I hit an ice covered speed bump, obliquely, at night, on my bike, riding home from work. Once I started going down, my front light was then pointing into darkness and I lost my horizon line. By the time I figured out I'd better start twisting to take the impact on the back of my shoulder, I drove my shoulder _hard_ into the pavement. Hate it when that happens...I've ridden my bike to and from work, year round in Colorado, for 25+ years and have gone down enough to know how to do it and walk away with far less in the way of injuries (in this context and some others that "come" to mind). I went for the HW, BTW.

    66. Re:NOW they develop this... by 5KVGhost · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the Holy Roman Emperor's court physicians would've perfected this technique decades ago if it hadn't been for all these distracting wars.

    67. Re:NOW they develop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, taken in context Pascal's Wager is a pretty decent argument... against the applicability of reason to such a choice. A counter-example if you will. Not that that detracts from your criticism, but given the direction of your trash-talk I figured someone should speak up for Pascal's good name.

      pedantic note: it's Wager or Gambit, *not* Bargain - if God is sitting down to bargain with you then it rather drastically alters the nature of a game that depends on the existence or nonexistence of God.

    68. Re:NOW they develop this... by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      >I figured someone should speak up for Pascal's good name.

      There is more than enough good name to Pascal that we don't need to defend his biggest logical blunder ever.

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    69. Re:NOW they develop this... by Anguirel · · Score: 1

      If it were spelled that way in the US, I'd hear it pronounced "Foe-tus" rather than "Fee-tus". And Paid-o-phile, which wouldn't be any closer to correct. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American public and their pronunciation. Then again, I'm still mystified by those that would pronounce "sauce" and "source" identically in other parts of the world, so I guess it's all up to local interpretation.

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  9. A theoretical question about height by gcnaddict · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There exist treatments overseas for increasing a person's height which rely on repeatedly fracturing leg bones and spacing them such that they heal at a distance, essentially lengthening the bone.

    Do we have any osteopathologists on slashdot who can comment on whether this can theoretically shorten such a procedure's duration to make someone taller in a matter of one or two weeks? The current procedure takes at least a few months, if not a year.

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    1. Re:A theoretical question about height by Intropy · · Score: 2

      I don't know anything about the topic, but I'd guess there are also limits on how quickly you can stretch out the other parts of your body like muscle, tendon, and skin.

    2. Re:A theoretical question about height by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      That would be one way to get to a 'healthy weight'.

    3. Re:A theoretical question about height by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

      I'm one of those osteopathologists, and I'm here to tell you the good news that yes it can!
      As a matter of fact -- up until today that used to be its sole function!!

    4. Re:A theoretical question about height by WillgasM · · Score: 1

      I'll read between the lines and answer the question you didn't ask: No, this procedure will not be ready in time for prom.

    5. Re:A theoretical question about height by gcnaddict · · Score: 1

      That would've been appropriate for me... 7 years ago. I'm asking in hypothetical terms because my height is dead-average for the US.

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    6. Re:A theoretical question about height by publiclurker · · Score: 1

      That treatment is not just overseas. I had a cousin undergo it when an earlier injury caused one of his legs to end up about two inches shorter than the other.

    7. Re:A theoretical question about height by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      There exist treatments overseas for increasing a person's height which rely on repeatedly fracturing leg bones and spacing them such that they heal at a distance, essentially lengthening the bone. Do we have any osteopathologists on slashdot who can comment on whether this can theoretically shorten such a procedure's duration to make someone taller in a matter of one or two weeks? The current procedure takes at least a few months, if not a year.

      Where's Doctor Bob when you need him? I'm sure with some suitable subluxation work he could achieve this in a couple of sessions.

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    8. Re:A theoretical question about height by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then if Americans all wore bullet proof vest we would be 10 feet tall and bullet proof.......
      only problem is we would just see that as a go-ahead to gain more weight.

  10. lets - let's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    let's as in "let us" - contraction.

  11. Adult stem cells better then fetal? by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 4, Informative

    Three nice things about them:

    1) They are usually harvested from the entity translated too so less problem with rejection ( is this the case here the article didn't say).
    2) The have been proven to work and use in many other places.
    3) No one has any moral objections to them.

    So many good reasons to not even worry about fetal stem cells , but no one ever bothers to talk about that.

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    1. Re:Adult stem cells better then fetal? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      No, they aren't. This is a common mantras from religious zealots that have no idea where stem cells come from and just look for an excuse to shove their belief down out throats.

      Right now, Fetal Stem cells have many more advantages.

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    2. Re:Adult stem cells better then fetal? by Corporate+Drone · · Score: 4, Informative

      Right now, Fetal Stem cells have many more advantages.

      Except that these are multipotent, not pluripotent stem cells, and therefore, we're not talking about fetal stem cells.

      The sources for MSCs include "umbilical cord blood, adipose tissue, adult muscle or the dental pulp of deciduous baby teeth"... but not fetal stem cells.

      Nice try, though...

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    3. Re:Adult stem cells better then fetal? by derkeyaj · · Score: 1

      Any idea what those advantages are?

    4. Re:Adult stem cells better then fetal? by drainbramage · · Score: 4, Informative

      Would it have been so hard to not be a bigot and just provide at least one source?
      Perhaps 'Stem Cell Basics': http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/basics/basics5.asp
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    5. Re:Adult stem cells better then fetal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, bigot is a term reserved by those decrying conservatism and religion. That, and homophobe.

    6. Re:Adult stem cells better then fetal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I realize you probably aren't the kind of person who would ever let the facts get in the way of a chance to make bigoted comments about groups of people you don't like, but it would be much more accurate to say that different types of cells have different advantages. There's really no way to say which have "more" advantages in an absolute sense.

      Ignoring the ethical issues, the main thing embryonic stem cells have going for them as therapeutics is that they can be induced to turn into any kind of tissue (i.e. they are pluripotent). So-called adult stem cells can only turn into a narrow range of tissues, which might limit their usefulness. Of course, research to induce pluirpotence in adult stem cells and sidestep the ethical issues has achieved a lot of success, but unfortunately still isn't quite there yet.

      On the other hand, the flexibility of embryonic stem cells also makes them much more difficult to work with. To date, very few therapeutic uses of embryonic stem cells have been reported. By contrast, new successful treatments using adult stem cells (like the submission) are being reported all the time. The short term promise of adult stem cells is much greater.

    7. Re:Adult stem cells better then fetal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice try yourself.. the GP was replying to a post that specifically talked about fetal stem cells being of no extra benefit.. So yes, we are talking about fetal stem cells.

    8. Re:Adult stem cells better then fetal? by Corporate+Drone · · Score: 1

      No, he said that "religious zealots have no idea where stem cells come from". In the current context, this "putty" therapy, I demonstrated that they came from a variety of sources -- none of them originating from fetal stem cells. "Many more advantages", eh?

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  12. In other expirements... by stevenfuzz · · Score: 1

    The stem-cell based gel was used to create a Shakeys Pizza in just a few hours. Seriously though, as someone who has broken some bones, this is amazing.

  13. Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a boner already!

  14. Apples vs Oranges by pavon · · Score: 2

    Adult stem cell are easier to control, but are not nearly as versatile as fetal stem cells. It is wrong to claim one is better than the other.

  15. ! Medi-gel, hello mass effect. by Tyr07 · · Score: 1

    That sounds exactly like medi-gel from mass effect, which is super awesome.

    Now we just need mass effect cores and we'll be good.

  16. large animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    this would be great for horses. its nearly impossible to allow multi-leg fractures to heal properly with a large animal .. they usually just get put down.

    1. Re:large animals by dzelenka · · Score: 2

      this would be great for horses. its nearly impossible to allow multi-leg fractures to heal properly with a large animal .. they usually just get put down.

      This is the first thing I thought of too. There's big money around horses that could move this technology along.

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      Exactly my thought!

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  17. Department of Defense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "That IED sure took a chunk outta' ya', but, by golly, this gel will put it back in-ta-ya! NOW GET BACK IN THE WAR, SOLDIER!!!"

  18. Other bone glue by Rexel99 · · Score: 2

    There is also a product called 'kryptonite' which is often used for chest surgery which is like a compound glue that sets within 24 hours. Very much improved my heart surgery healing time but I also wish they used it on my knee to improve that repair time.

  19. That's similar: by no-body · · Score: 3, Informative

    Using stem cells for skin healing:

    http://www.thatvideosite.com/video/the_skin_gun

    1. Re:That's similar: by c++0xFF · · Score: 1

      Perfect for compound fractures, then. Heals both the skin and the bone.

    2. Re:That's similar: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you heard about using lasers to weld skin? It looks like it could replace sutures in the near future.

  20. veterinary applications by TBedsaul · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seems to me this would be a great benefit to veterinarians. The hardest part of treating a fracture in an animal is getting the patient to stay still while they recuperate. Would be a lot easier to do that for a couple of days vs. several weeks. Racehorses might be able to live with injuries that result in euthanasia now.

    1. Re:veterinary applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It' not euthanasia if the patient has no say in it. Murder is a better word in this case.

  21. Get back to me... by captain_nifty · · Score: 2

    when they figure out a way to use this to make me some artificial bone wolverine like claws.

    1. Re:Get back to me... by gknoy · · Score: 1

      You might be better off with a surgically implanted spike + extender. God knows how you'd ever manage to keep it sterile, let alone bind in the neural controls to make it work, but it's probably easier and simpler than growing bones plus muscles to extend things.

    2. Re:Get back to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, assuming you don't have some sort of fantastic mutant healing factor action going on (or just don't like the feeling of multiple stab wounds whenever they're extended) you probably want the sheaths to extend out through the skin anyway, which simplifies things dramatically. There's still a challenge in getting the skin to fuse with the sheaths to keep out infection, but we're getting better at that sort of thing. Then you can keep all your mechanical components within the sealed sheaths where it doesn't really matter if it's sterile or not - a bit of a chlorine flush now and then to keep the rotting blood smell down and you're good to go.

      Hmm, isn't there actually some frog in Australia or somewhere that will intentionally break it's own forelegs in an emergency in order to use the jagged bones as claws? Freaky, but goes to show the sorts of extremes that effective regeneration makes possible. *shudder*

  22. Anyone else think of Harry Potter? by BitterOak · · Score: 1

    Is this anything like Skele-Gro? I understand it's very painful. "Regrowing bones is a nasty business," according to Madam Pomfrey.

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  24. not sure by no-body · · Score: 4, Funny

    what bone fracture has to do with ssh....
    anyway - weird things exist nowadays

  25. Don't do it by Chemisor · · Score: 0

    No matter how much you add to your height, you'll still be a nerd, which is a far more significant handicap in the dating world.

    1. Re:Don't do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are at least average height, you can do very well by: becoming fit, dressing well, and (this is BY FAR the most important part) learning how to interact correctly with women (or men, if you so prefer). With women, it's harder, because they are programmed to not want to do the third thing. Stop blaming your bad experiences on your nerdy interests.

    2. Re:Don't do it by gcnaddict · · Score: 1

      Well in my case, I'm taken. Still, I know a few people (cousins, friends, what-have-you) who constantly stress about their height to the point where I've gone from lying about height's irrelevance to them to proposing alternative solutions just to get them to hush a bit. Granted this was back when the people I knew cared more about this sort of thing, but this submission did a good job of reminding me. hah

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  26. Black Sheep by linatux · · Score: 1

    Peter Jackson warned us about this!

  27. Sports impact by lp60068 · · Score: 1

    This could have a big impact in the sports world. I wonder if Peyton Manning could have played in 2011 if he had access to this type of treatment.

  28. PuTTY by gnurfed · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is there ANYTHING a telnet/SSH client CAN'T do? :p

    1. Re:PuTTY by zm · · Score: 1

      I think they used PuTTYGen in this case.

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    2. Re:PuTTY by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      copy and paste in linux

    3. Re:PuTTY by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Oh ? You're mouse doesn't have a middle-button ?

      That's okay - just hit both buttons at once.

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    4. Re:PuTTY by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      no, it does absolutely nothing on mint 10 and 11, I highlight text which is suposta copy and paste it into gedit nothing, I copy from gedit click the wheel in putty nothing. would a right click menu kill them or do they have to be special?

    5. Re:PuTTY by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      My mint 11 it works fine. Except er... wtf are you using putty on Linux for? Open a terminal and use SSH sheeez...

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    6. Re:PuTTY by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      I wanted to use a serial connection with the 437 codepage and I havent figured out how to do it in minicom yet

    7. Re:PuTTY by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      *facepalm*

      Oh you new kids, coming to linux and bringing you're windows apps with you. Pick up the sysadmin's cookbook and learn the old ways of Unix son.

      Now get off my lawn !

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    8. Re:PuTTY by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      well if I wanted to spend all my time to do something fucking simple I would, but at 10pm last night when I wanted to see a 437 codepage on a serial terminal putty was there. how bout you post some useful information instead of being an elitist tool?

    9. Re:PuTTY by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      How about you learn to recognize a joke ?

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  29. AAAGH. by Torodung · · Score: 1

    Ugh. Not "silly" enough to fix your funny bone. ;^)

  30. sheep in the metaphorical sense... by schlachter · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh, you mean they literally tested it on sheep. They weren't referencing the people who volunteered for testing?

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  31. Other medical applications. by rykin · · Score: 1

    I wonder how many medical procedures this could speed up across the board. If I recall correctly, most of the initial recovery time for an ACL knee injury is waiting for the bone to grow/fuse around the replaced ligament; until this starts to happen, one can't start to in-depth PT process. Could this even speed up recovery for patients who have had joint replacements by allowing the bone to fuse around the prosthesis quicker? Recovery for these surgeries would still be several months (opposed to 6 months to 1 year), but the joints would be much stronger during what is considered the "delicate" portion of recovery.

  32. Get down from there. A body could break his neck. by WillgasM · · Score: 1

    I ain't afeard of that. I'll just get a new neck, off'n a cat.

  33. Pro sports by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

    If this goes through, will pro sports allow the procedure? A tangential issue, but one that could be interesting.

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  34. Hope its proven? by nurb432 · · Score: 2

    Well, if they had done their research they would find that it was proven long ago that artificially adding stem cells to healing bone works.

    It also forms new bone on amputees.

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  36. Is this an X-Men movie reference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like when Storm whooped Toad?

    The same thing that happens if you were to rub it on any other penis.

  37. stemcells.nih.gov says by wreakyhavoc · · Score: 2

    In this new study, the researchers used a rat model of ALS to test for possible nerve cell- restoring properties of stem cells. The rats were exposed to Sindbis virus, which infects the central nervous system and destroys the motor neurons in the spinal cord. Rats that survive are left with paralyzed muscles in their hindquarters and weakened back limbs. Scientists assess the degree of impairment by measuring the rats' movement, quantifying electrical activity in the nerves serving the back limbs, and visually judging the extent of nerve damage through a microscope.

    The researchers wanted to see whether stem cells could restore nerves and improve mobility in rats. Because scientists have had difficulty sustaining stem cell lines derived from rat embryos, the investigators conducted their experiments with embryonic germ cells that John Gearhart and colleagues isolated from human fetal tissue in 1998. These cells can produce unchanged copies of themselves when maintained in culture, and they form into clumps called embryoid bodies. Under certain conditions, research has shown that the cells in the embryoid bodies begin to look and function like neurons when subjected to specific laboratory conditions. The researchers had an idea that these embryoid body cells in their nonspecialized state might become specialized as replacement neurons if placed into the area of the damaged spinal cord. So they carefully prepared cells from the embryoid bodies and injected them into the fluid surrounding the spinal cord of the paralyzed rats that had their motor neurons destroyed by the Sindbis virus.

    To test this idea, the researchers selected from laboratory culture dishes barely differentiated embryonic germs cells that displayed the molecular markers of neural stem cells, including the proteins nestin and neuron specific enolase. They grew these cells in large quantities and injected them into the fluid surrounding the spinal cords of partially paralyzed, Sindbis-virus-treated rats.

    The response was impressive. Three months after the injections, many of the treated rats were able to move their hind limbs and walk, albeit clumsilywhile the rats that did not receive cell injections remained paralyzed. Moreover, at autopsy the researchers found that cells derived from human embryonic germ cells had migrated throughout the spinal fluid and continued to develop, displaying both the shape and molecular markers characteristic of mature motor neurons. The researchers are quick to caution that their results are preliminary, and that they do not know for certain whether the treatment helped the paralyzed rats because new neurons took the place of the old, or because trophic factors from the injected cells facilitated the recovery of the rats' remaining nerve cells and helped the rats improve in their ability to use their hind limbs.

    Nor do they know how well this strategy will translate into a therapy for human neurodegenerative diseases like ALS. And they emphasize that there are many hurdles to cross before the use of stem cells to repair damaged motor neurons in patients can be considered. Nevertheless, researchers are excited about these results, which, if confirmed, would represent a major step toward using specialized stem cells from embryonic and fetal tissue sources to restore nervous system function. http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/scireport/chapter8.asp

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  39. repair that war machine by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    love it when the DoD funds medical research. Healing to make our killers more efficient. maybe we can use this stuff for enhanced interrogation techniques too.

  40. The HECK with healing bones! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    I want to use it to develop an exoskeleton!

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    1. Re:The HECK with healing bones! by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      >I want to use it to develop an exoskeleton!

      Now THAT will be a hit with the ladies !

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  41. Bone Density by fragMasterFlash · · Score: 1

    When a fractured bone heals normally, does it have similar bone density as before the injury? I would be concerned about what effect on bone density this gel treatment might have. Now that we have gotten that little bit of pessimism out of the way wouldn't it be nice if this treatment actually provided increased bone density, and could be used therapeutically by those who lack sufficient bone density? I doubt it would be much fun having a clinician drilling into your bones to create artificial fractures but I suppose it beats the uncertainty of living with weak bones.

  42. Bone tattoos...? by LongearedBat · · Score: 1

    This is probably a very silly question, but could this be used to create artificial growths on bones? Say someone wanted horns, could they have such bone putty put onto the skull to grow extra bone there? That would then be a sort of bone tattoo.

  43. Moneys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What are the chances this is going to bankrupt someone? Some bitch ass insurance company / hospital will jack up the price beyond a payable amount and then what... this shit will be useless if it's not cheap enough for people to fucking afford it.

  44. Regen fingers or arm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm curious if they could lay down a structure and completely regen a Finger or even an arm. Just think how we could remake fingers that were cut off, if not with the ability to move then just for cosmetic purposes-

    Kind of like the Silver tree experiment http://thehomescientist.blogspot.com/2010/04/experimehnt-silver-tree.html

  45. thank you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hello ! thank you post
    very good
    welcome to www.cuoitit.biz

  46. IVF /and/ some forms of contraception by brokeninside · · Score: 1

    The dividing line in this case is largely (but not entirely) along the Catholic/Protestant split. Protestants tend to ignore IVF and forms of birth control that are abortifacient. Catholics tend to spotlight IVF and abortifacient forms of birth control on the list of things that kill the unborn.

    But, to be fair, this split is at usually at the doctrinal level. It's not uncommon for either Catholics or Protestants to either (a) not be well informed on matters of doctrine or (b) not care about matters of doctrine. But, if you look at the literature, that split will be there even if it isn't manifested 100% in those who self-identify with the respective label.

  47. Prior art by badzilla · · Score: 1

    One of the Harry Potter films had this. In the movie it was called "Skelegrow" and fixed Harry's broken arm in just a few days when he fell off his broomstick.

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  48. Early results by tchdab1 · · Score: 1

    "The gel has been proven to work on animals as big as a sheep..."

    Early tests on humans have found that the bones heal in days, but the subjects retain an urge to walk together in groups.

  49. Where do the stem cells come from? by assertation · · Score: 1

    The article didn't make it clear where the stem cells came from. Googling on the term they used it seems that some of those type of stem cells come from bone marrow but it didn't say if that was exclusively so.

    If the putty needs stem cells from fetuses, the Republicans/Christians will try to shut it down. I can't see it working if the stem cells come from bone marrow either. Harvesting stem cells from bone marrow doesn't sound easy......and may have ethical issues also.

  50. Starship Troopers was awesome. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'Nuf said.

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