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IT Calls of Shame

snydeq writes "InfoWorld's JR Raphael offers up six memorable tales of trouble and triumph from the tech support desk. 'Working in tech support is a bit like teaching preschool: You're an educator who provides reassurance in troubling times. You share knowledge and help others overcome their obstacles. And some days, it feels like all you hear is screaming, crying, and incoherent babble.' Pronoun problems, IT ghosts, the runaway mouse — when it comes to computers, the customer isn't always right."

256 comments

  1. First Post! by PPH · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    All you lusers can just wait on hold for a few minutes while I submit this.

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    1. Re:First Post! by Eponymous+Hero · · Score: 1

      is it time again already? seems like only 6 months ago i was reading a cute "dumbest IT helpdesk problems EVAR!!" post. maybe it was a different site. looks like someone's in between projects. or jobs.

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    2. Re:First Post! by PPH · · Score: 2

      Someone probably lost their tech support job for spending time modding me down instead of answering the phones.

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  2. poor analogy by vlm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Working in tech support is a bit like teaching preschool: (blah blah removed)

    Rather than the blah blah, from memory it seemed more like changing diapers, over and over and over and occasionally breaking up inter-sibling rivalry. It was excellent training for parenthood.

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    1. Re:poor analogy by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      You took the text right off my keyboard, vlm.

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    2. Re:poor analogy by blue_teeth · · Score: 4, Funny

      Training for parenthood?  That's low hanging food Sir.

      IT has taught me Psychology,  Politics, Business, Meanness, Stealth, Intrigue, Black Humor and Survival.  I think I am ready for Sainthood :)

    3. Re:poor analogy by bregmata · · Score: 1

      You have it backwards. Sainthood prepared me for parenthood.

  3. For more please see... by Galestar · · Score: 4, Informative
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    1. Re:For more please see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And here http://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/

    2. Re:For more please see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re:For more please see... by interval1066 · · Score: 3, Funny
      (from the above link)
      I call this the 'big brother check';

      function index()
      {
      if ($this->ion_auto->logged_in() || 2+2==4)
      {
      $this->load->view('upload');
      }

      ... snip ...
      }

      Because in Oceania sometimes 2 + 2 == 5.

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    4. Re:For more please see... by Elite+Override · · Score: 2

      Not directly related to tech support, but www.notalwaysright.com is also pretty amusing.

    5. Re:For more please see... by icebraining · · Score: 1
    6. Re:For more please see... by Man+Eating+Duck · · Score: 1

      Because in Oceania sometimes 2 + 2 == 5.

      Of course I know the source of this quote, but it reminded me of something: my high school (equivalent) maths teacher, who also had a BS in EE, retold this as a joke he'd heard from his lecturer at the university. According to him this is a problem you could actually run into if you needed to handle output from primitive logic circuits in the early 70's. Some components could output higher voltages than intended which led to such inconsistencies, which you then had to account for in your design. Obviously this was not about the actual numbers 2 and 5, but more of a truism when working with semi-analog circuits. My information is obviously very vague and my terminology is probably wrong (I'm no electronics engineer), and I know this is also a common joke about systems that work with floats internally but only output integers, but I thought maybe someone in the Slashdot community might know if what my teacher joked about could have a basis in the reality of electronics engineering at the time?

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    7. Re:For more please see... by lennier1 · · Score: 1

      Sure that's not their way to check for faulty Intel CPUs? ;)

    8. Re:For more please see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Those are pretty good, but for a really good laugh, check out:

      http://gnu.org/

    9. Re:For more please see... by cusco · · Score: 1

      This one has been around for a really long time, lots of pre-Win95 events in addition to all the foolishness since.

      http://rinkworks.com/stupid/

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  4. Many users deserve the cloud. by Karmashock · · Score: 0, Troll

    To a large extent the cloud is built for these people. And it solves most of the IT problems. They literally can't screw it up because they don't have the power to screw it up.

    Half the time there's a problem it's the "Oh" "Ehn" switch. In about 99.9 percent of other cases the user did something to break it. Restrict users from being able to do bad things and most problems go away. Sure, there are legitimate IT problems occasionally but they're relatively rare.

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  5. Print version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    here

    Seriously, why can't we just do this for every article?

    1. Re:Print version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because your ability to read the article without the horror of ads or paywalls is ever so much more important than the magazine staff getting paid, right?

    2. Re:Print version by Cederic · · Score: 0

      Frankly? Yes. After struggling through to page 2 of the article, its fragmented structure, glaring hyperlinks and low grade humour made me close that browser tab.

      Those authors don't deserve paying.

    3. Re:Print version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you really want me to read your story then present it in a pleasing manner. If it is difficult or annoying to read then I won't. Why is that sooooo hard for the Einstiens of the publishing industry to figure out?

  6. "User Error" by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Please replace user, and try again."

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    1. Re:"User Error" by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

      IMO the PEBKAC problem indicates a design flaw. Most interface designs are badly flawed.

      For example, the classic stories about people losing the data because wifey put it on the fridge with a magnet could easily be sidestepped by a simple "warning: keep away from magnets". Thinking a user knows how a floppy holds data is incredibly stupid. It isn't the ignorant who are stupid, it's the fool who thinks everyone knows what he knows. Everyone is ignorant of something, and to not realize and respect this simple fact is idiotic.

      One of my pet peeves is web forms. You have to fill out street address, city, pull down the state with a dropdown list (stupid design in itself, considering any state is only two keystrokes), and zip code. Why?? If you have the zip code you already have the city and state. Twenty years ago I was designing database screens where after typing in address, the cursor went to the zip code field, and when the cursor left the field the city and state were filled in by a lookup table and could be changed by the user if incorrect. IMO to do otherwise is incredibly bad design, and lazy to boot.

      Wht is it with you kids, anyway?

    2. Re:"User Error" by dogbowl · · Score: 1

      Having the zip code does not mean you have the city and state.

      While it does give you a good starting point to make an assumption, zip codes do not necessarily follow state and county lines.

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    3. Re:"User Error" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      web forms predate javascript...

      and luddites are slow to evolve?

    4. Re:"User Error" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the UK it means paying for expensive reverse look-up services. Fine if you've got a few hundred grand to throw at your website but not so great for the SMEs.

    5. Re:"User Error" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI: http://www.royalmail.com/marketing-services/address-management-unit/address-data-products/postcode-address-file-paf/prices

    6. Re:"User Error" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the UK a full 'post code' will give you an address to within a couple of doors.

    7. Re:"User Error" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sometimes it's a user problem, sometimes it's a design problem.

      users who don't read error messages need to be replaced.
      "something popped up, and now it doesn't work".

    8. Re:"User Error" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While the ZIP code returns _a_ city and state, there are issues with delivery if you don't give the customer an opportunity to correct them at times.

      I have a case I'm working on at this moment where the client has a ZIP of 46321 as reported by the USPS, but who lives in Hammond. What's worse, there's a nearly identical street name to his in Munster.

      It gives him problems getting mail at times.

    9. Re:"User Error" by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      That's why the city and state fields are editable, but in thousands of records I never saw it get it wrong once. Hell, Springfield is a little city with only 110k people and there are five zip codes here. Some big cities have buildings with their own zip code.

      Telephone area codes are a completely different matter. Those do span more than one city and even state.

    10. Re:"User Error" by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      I'm with you on bad form design. Especially forms that have the cancel button first and then the submit button after that - do they want people to cancel? I'm not actually sure the cancel buttons are really necessary anywhere except for perhaps the most delicate financial or health information. The number of dumb forms on insecure sites that'll still include an ability to cancel is just silly.

    11. Re:"User Error" by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Balanced of course by the other users who feel compelled to spell out the entire page, including the hex codes, on a blue screen of death.

    12. Re:"User Error" by hazah · · Score: 1

      Those tend to be far more valuable, so you're reinforcing the point.

    13. Re:"User Error" by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Really? I can't remember the last time one of those things did me any good. It's mostly a random crash (just reboot already and you're fine) or can through repetition be tied to a specific application or action.

  7. Obligatory by Moheeheeko · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Hello IT......Have you tried turning it off and on again? Yeah....no problem."

    1. Re:Obligatory by hal2814 · · Score: 1

      That's a flippin' sweet reference.

    2. Re:Obligatory by ArhcAngel · · Score: 0

      Your far too nice for IT.

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      "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K
    3. Re:Obligatory by ArhcAngel · · Score: 2

      I must perform Seppuku before the grammar Nazis arrive!

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    4. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      you there computer man fix my pants!

    5. Re:Obligatory by Moheeheeko · · Score: 1

      Damn these electric sex pants.

    6. Re:Obligatory by treeves · · Score: 1

      Didn't you mean "before the grammar Nazi's arrive"?
      Might as well make it worth it!

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    7. Re:Obligatory by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      No kidding; your username is misspelled, too.

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    8. Re:Obligatory by ubergamer1337 · · Score: 1

      No, no he didn't. Lemme go get your sword :-)

    9. Re:Obligatory by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      What's REALLY funny is I was trying to think of a clever way to mess that post up and couldn't...You did it perfectly for me ;)

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      "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K
    10. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used a bullet to turn the user off ... how do I turn it back on again?

  8. If your customers aren't always right... by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Please send them my way. My compay will thrive with the new business. I treat customers right, which usually results in new transactions from the same customers. Whuch, in turn, recommend my business to their friends/family/co-workers.

    But hey, it's much easier to blame tough times on stupid customers and Obama (obviously).

    1. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What about the customers who insist a faulty cable is the reason their computer keeps getting infected and refuses to let you do anything but change the cable? Or the manager who asks why she can't print to the printer that was recycled years ago (and her specific words were "Why can't I print to the printer we got rid of?" - so she knew it was gone)? There's some customers that no amount of treating them right can help with. And both of the above happened to me within the past year.

    2. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Trilkin · · Score: 4, Funny

      You know how I know you've never worked as a help desk monkey?

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    3. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You must be conducting business in an imaginary dream world.

    4. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Cazekiel · · Score: 1

      I'm in no way techy-savvy-goodness, I can be one big DUH about computers, but...

      What about the customers who insist a faulty cable is the reason their computer keeps getting infected and refuses to let you do anything but change the cable?

      Are you serious?

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      You want to know how to help your kids? LEAVE THEM THE F*&K ALONE. --George Carlin
    5. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really hate this attitude gaining traction lately. I've been hired to solve a problem you don't have the time or talent to solve on your own. You're right as much I can let you be I won't give you the rope to hang yourself unless you can tell me why I'm telling you its a bad idea or I've had enough of your attitude and no longer care and am secretly preparing to quit. Because of you people people are making bad decisions with it and making life hard on the rest of us but I'm sure its career enhancing fir you.

    6. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean this in total seriousness, but am posting anonymous for good reasons.

      I used to work a uni helpdesk, where we had *two* customers out of 15,000 that took over ten percent of our total staff time.

      I mercilessly lobbied my boss to 'fire' them, but he felt that would be 'cruel', and claimed it would also violated the ADA (they were visually and/or mentally impaired).

      At one point I got a call from the uni's OEO office saying that I *must* help one of the students utilize hotmail in their webbrowser immediately when I told them I would arrange for a staff callback tomorrow (Mondays were always extra busy).

      I lost my cool and CC'd the boss and them, indicated that I felt the request was unreasonable, impossible to comply with, and not actionable or worth the time. In the next sentence, requested sensitivity training for myself and the rest of my staff on the issue, along with university/employer compensation for out-of-state 508 training seminars, since none were advertised locally within the next month. Problem went away.

      Mind you...it wasn't that I didn't want to help this user. They were however, an unreasonable jackass in demanding that I give them "equal access" to the hotmail website, over which I have as much authority as an ant does over an anteater. They were provided with training in using or configuring outlook, or eudora, or some mail client with POP, they demanded the ability to login to hotmail.com easily from a general student helpdesk. Forwarding email to another location was not good enough. Configuring a client to send from hotmail was not good enough.

      Hotmail's crappy website is not and should not be my problem. And if it is, then they needed to hire a developer or pay me to greasemonkey the page for them, and I damned well refused to develop software while being paid minimum wage as a part-time technician.

      Has your company never had a customer that 'wasn't worth the time' ? If so...how do you handle that? How do you manage the process?

      How do you make a profit off of them, or are they just part of 'overhead' ? What do you do when their overhead grows?

      I *get* every customer and call is an opportunity for feedback, to clarify, to improve your manuals and docs and processes. But there comes a time when you realize that $50, $5000, $50,000 or whatever is...taking more than an FTE of effort with their "needs".

      So let me ask you...

      Are you really so successful that every client is really worth it?

    7. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      clearly the customer should have purchased Monster Cables!

    8. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Moheeheeko · · Score: 1

      Almost as bad as a story I heard of a user CONVINCED the smoke coming from his computer was a software problem.

    9. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

      Sounds about right to me. I dealt with a similar user (a nice old guy, about 85, but inept as far as technology's concerned) who had once been told "viruses can come through the cable", which I assume was part of a sales pitch somewhere. He insisted that I "disinfect" the cable before hooking up his new computer to his home router. Fine. I took the cable out the door, went to my car, opened the back, and stood there laughing for a few minutes. Then I came back in, finished the job, and left. Probably not the nicest thing to do, but for as little as he knows or needs to know about computers, it's enough.

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      You do not have a moral or legal right to do absolutely anything you want.
    10. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Cazekiel · · Score: 1

      "AH! My kitchen is on fire! I KNEW I should've gotten my groceries at Shop Rite instead of Stop & Shop!!!"

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      You want to know how to help your kids? LEAVE THEM THE F*&K ALONE. --George Carlin
    11. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      You replace the cable, then install the antivirus behind their back. If they are that dumb, they wouldn't even notice.

    12. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Terrasque · · Score: 2

      You have no idea...

      I once had a user that the internet didn't work for (DSL, with router), and he had DISABLED the network card in the settings.

      He also insisted that it couldn't possibly had anything to do with the problem, and expected me to fix things on my end of the phone call..

      No, he didn't get any internet that day.

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    13. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Psicopatico · · Score: 0

      Or the manager who asks why she can't print to the printer that was recycled years ago

      You know... the keyword is "she" :-)

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    14. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone once tried to return a computer to my shop because she "couldn't type numbers" on it. A friend told her he was able to type numbers on his computer, but that was because it was a better computer...

    15. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Cazekiel · · Score: 2

      No, he didn't get any internet that day.

      He should get a life sentence from the 'net, never mind a day, lol. Daaaamn.

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      You want to know how to help your kids? LEAVE THEM THE F*&K ALONE. --George Carlin
    16. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want the customer who was pissed I did not 'explain' that www.apple.com/itunes needed to be installed on his laptop rather than his new iPhone, please be my guest.

    17. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      have you seen those HDMI cables with anti-virus for the elderly? There's a pic floating around the intarwebs somewhere...

    18. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Cazekiel · · Score: 2

      To me, the problem with IT-abuse becomes more about the tech-know-nothings insisting that they know what the problem is and refuse the explanation of someone who's professionally trained. As I said, I'm not the most well-versed when it comes to super-techy stuff. I'm also not a mechanic, so I don't tell my main-man (who I've been going to since I got my license, the most trustworthy I've ever met) "It's NOT the brake-pads making that noise, it's my stereo making feedback! FIX MY STEREO!!"

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      You want to know how to help your kids? LEAVE THEM THE F*&K ALONE. --George Carlin
    19. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by arth1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've been at the other end of that call, as a customer. One without an enabled network card on the PC. Because first, I wanted a connection from my router to their router working, and my connection to my router was through a serial port.

      The Fine Person on the other side of the line kept on insisting it was a problem with my PC, and refused to listen to any reasoning that since I wasn't connecting a PC to the network, this could be ruled out.
      I had to escalate twice before I got in touch with someone who could cut through the script reading idiocy. And yes, it was a problem on their end.

    20. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by cowboy76Spain · · Score: 1

      Internal IT support in my company. The user calls, identifies herself, IT tech launches the program for remote access and asks the user to click the "Yes I do give remote access to my computer" button.

      The user answer? "That is not my job"

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    21. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Terrasque · · Score: 2

      Well, I had already checked that we had connection to his router, and tried rebooting the router.

      But, there were no active connections on the LAN part of the router. After checking cables, and even trying to force the connected port up and half duplex 10mbit (in case of problematic autonegotiation or bad cable) there was no life sign from his PC. So I guided him into the settings to see if the network card reported cable out or in, and maybe see if I could force it on that end too... And maybe if he had multiple cards.

      And found out the only network card there.. was grayed out. And right clicking on it did pop up an "Enable" option.. That he absolutely refused to click on, because it couldn't possibly be that.

      For that matter, I've also had a customer that insisted hackers stole some of his emails from his internet connection (never mind that he had 5 different antivirus, all set up to scan email), one that accused us of following him around on poker tables and made him lose the games, one that still had his modem in the car when calling to complain about it not working, one that have had the modem turned off and wondered why it made a difference turning it on...

      You have about one batshit crazy call per 2 weeks on average, in my estimate. And about 50% of the other calls are "Hello, IT. Have you tried turning it off and on again? There you go, have a nice day!"

      And about every 3-5 days you get an actual real technical problem (yes, that does mean the crazies are only about twice as rare as a user with an actual issue - please keep that in mind the next time you need to contact support). I'm so glad I'm done with that job, worst year of my life. I tell you, you can really lose faith in humanity in that kind of job. Sometimes, after some of worse days, I genuinely wondered if a large meteor impact might be a good thing overall.

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      It's The Golden Rule: "He who has the gold makes the rules."
    22. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by systemeng · · Score: 1

      Hey I once had a software bug report on a military system I was working on that said: "Turning on master power causes cockpit to fill with smoke: Must be Resolved Immediately". Too bad we weren't in charge of the hardware.

    23. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      A few apartments ago, Time Warner came to set up a modem for new Internet service. I was at work at the time, so my girlfriend (at the time) let him in and get to work. We had two laptops and a desktop connected to a Linksys wireless router, which was then connected to the modem. The LAN worked fine before TWC's tech came out there. I got home and it was slower than shit. Turns out he set the PCs to 10mbps/half-duplex and screwed up numerous other network (and even some non-network related) settings. The router, which was the only thing actually connected to the modem, was still set to auto-detect and reported a 100mbps/full duplex connection to the modem. Why the hell he changed my desktop settings I don't know. I changed it back to 100/full and it worked fine.

    24. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by msauve · · Score: 1

      What about ... the manager who asks why she can't print to the printer that was recycled years ago (and her specific words were "Why can't I print to the printer we got rid of?" - so she knew it was gone)?

      You say that as if she's stupid. She knows what she wants - this is a problem with your understanding of a non-technical user. Good tech support people aren't strict techies, they have to be able to understand things from the user's perspective.

      It was probably that her default printer was still set to the old one and she had to change it every time she printed. She wanted to know why she couldn't print to her old printer, which was still there on her PC, like it had always been. Change the default for her. Default for a user means their house is going to be foreclosed.

      Less likely, she just wanted to print to the same printer name she was used to - so ask where she expected the paper to come out, and rename that printer on her PC to have the name of her old printer.

      Problem solved.

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    25. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      ... and then the person tells all of his friends: "Yep. That IT guy tried to pull one over on me, but all I needed was a cable, and that fixed it, so you guys go out and get yourself one too.Your solution may well cause a dozen or more old people on fixed incomes to purchases items unnecessarily. As a rule of thumb, feeding ignorance is a Bad_Idea(tm)

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    26. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed.

      I can't tell you how many times I've had a phone call and brief exchange with a client. One of the questions are, "are you sure its turn on and plugged in." Usually after being insulted for "questioning their intelligence" and assuring them I'm not questioning anything, but rather attempting to confirm some basics since I can't physically see. Sadly, sometimes an apolgy quickly follows as either a computer gets plugged in (or power strip was turned off) or they discover the swtich they thought was the power switch was in fact something else all together.

      The funny thing is, when you assure them that such basic issues are not altogether uncommon, they frequently feel you're disengenuiously nice. Of course their embarrassment typically makes them leave it alone and not carry it forward. Because, after all, you were right. I had recommendations from all of these people for additional business.

      Then there was the time when they just went through the motions, assuring me it was plugged in. An hour later (they liked to talk - who cares, I was billing them), an getting ready to head on site, I ask one last time to confirm its plugged in. Aside from hearing the computer boot it was very, very quiet with only a teser thank you and goodbye. I'm sure he was non too happy to pay an hour of my time for plugging in a computer but the bill was paid promptly.

      The customer is not always right. Just the same, don't treat people like idiots though you might have to ask some hard questions which sounds like you are. Explanation and patience is your friend.

    27. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      I treat customers right, which usually results in new transactions from the same customers. Whuch, in turn, recommend my business to their friends/family/co-workers.
      But hey, it's much easier to blame tough times on stupid customers and Obama (obviously).

      Well, if a customer wants a Mercedes , but thinks they should only have to pay $1 for it, I guess they are right. And yes, i would imagine that they WOULD keep coming back.

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    28. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      Nope, printer had been removed from her computer. She had been trained on the new printer. She didn't want to print to the new printer, she specifically wanted to print to the one that was gone. It wasn't an issue of misunderstanding, it was an issue of the user being a stereotypical blonde (this was far from the other Doh issue with her).

      We did have another user with a case like you mentioned above - old printer was still on his computer. He accidentally selected it once and oddly enough, it printed to the new printer (same IP, completely different manufacturer). Some of the characters didn't print properly, but I was surprised it printed at all with a different manufacturer's drivers.

    29. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Man+Eating+Duck · · Score: 2

      This is tangential to your situation, obviously, but I cringe when I read about "IT support" workers telling stories about how clueless their users are, especially in complex corporate settings. I work with IT projects in a setting where most of my co-workers are academics, graphic artists, marketing people and the like. As part of a larger organisation we have a central helpdesk, but as I am also someone who "knows about computers" my colleagues use me as zeroth-level support line. Most of them have no clue about computers, and that's fine, because *that's not their job*. They are employed because they're brilliant editors, language experts or whatever, and their computer is nothing but a tool, albeit an essential one which must just work. I can often help them out in less than a minute, and I can always refer them to helpdesk if I don't have the time, but no-one expects them to be able to handle whichever trifling issue which might occur themselves.

      So, to the sniggering nerds who laugh about their co-workers not being able to tell the difference between a "hard disk", a cpu and a computer case: try to rewrite an abstract of an academic article for publication, try to do accounting which requires intimate knowledge of *all* the relevant laws, interview applicants for social services, or perform whatever tasks your "clueless" co-workers are actually *paid* to do. Come back to me when you can do all of their tasks better than they can do yours. Of course help desk anecdotes can be amusing to people who know better, but the manner of superiority with which they are often told leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.

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    30. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      If you really believe the customer is always right, you are incompetent. Not just to provide tech support, but legally incompetent: you need to be appointed a guardian.

      But of course you don't really believe it. Which means you're just a glad-handing liar who'll tell anyone whatever they want to hear.

      Either way, any customer who hires you just made the wrong choice.

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    31. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      That's a totally false equivalency. I don't expect a nurse or an artist (I've had jobs doing tech support for populations of both) to have even a fraction of my technical skills, in much the same way that I don't have anything close to their clinical or artistic skills.* But in 2012, I do think that they should be able to follow the over-the-phone troubleshooting instruction "see if you can go to the web site yahoo dot com" without further hand-holding. Many of them cannot. Just today I spent five whole minutes trying unsuccessfully to get to a user to a specific web site she needed to see. I patiently walked her through it, using nothing but words found in a 1990 dictionary ("click on the flag in the lower left corner...."). She couldn't do it, and gave up. By the way, this was using her own home computer.

      It's fair to expect some basic level of competence from people at various things. Someone with no medical training should be able to "take two aspirin with a glass of water, and check your temperature in two hours". Someone with no artistic talent should be able to draw a rough floor plan of the furniture in a room. Someone who understands nothing about automotive mechanics should be able to drive a car and put gas in it. Someone with no clerical experience should be able to retype a list of names in alphabetical order. These are fundamental skills that (barring physical handicaps) any adult in any job should be able to handle. But I can't go a week in my Help Desk job without encountering someone who does not know how to pull up a web site. And they laugh about it, chuckling "I'm so computer illiterate" rather than being justifiably worried that their incompetence will be counted against them. My 75-year-old mother (a retired musician) could do it (with no help from me); why can't they?

      In 1982 (when I got into this line of work) someone could say "I don't know how to turn a computer on" and I'd say "that's OK, I'll show you". In 1992 they could say "I don't know how to use a mouse" and I'd say it was OK. In 2002 they could say "I don't know how to use the internet" and I'd still have some patience with them. But it's 2012. It's time to grow the hell up and learn. Or get out of the way so someone who's willing to learn such basic entry-level skills can have the job. I'm not expecting them to do my job; I'm expecting them to do theirs.

      *a little false modesty on that point; I'm actually a pretty good designer and illustrator.

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    32. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hah, if that made you lose faith in humanity, try working as a Tele-surveyor. A year of doing political propaganda spreading and seeing how people eat that shit up will make you down right suicidal.

    33. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by greenbird · · Score: 1

      The Fine Person on the other side of the line kept on insisting

      Me: I can't ping the default gateway or the DNS server with my laptop configured with one of my public IPs and connected directly into the box on the outside of the house.

      Tech: Sir, I need you to open Internet Explorer and try going to www.google.com .

      Me: Is there someone there who actually knows something about computers I can talk to?.

      And this was Business Tech Support. I go nuts ever time I hear Tech Support idiots complain about users. I'd rather go to the dentists and get some teeth pulled than call Tech Support. Sad thing is back when DSL was the fast internet and the phone companies were required by law to sell service wholesale to other ISPs I had a great ISP where I'd call and the first person I talked to actually know what they were about. Amazing what competition does to a market.

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    34. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by TranquilVoid · · Score: 1

      To be cynical he may have been trying to create future work?

    35. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by JosKarith · · Score: 2

      Our 1st line service desk are a bunch of monkeys working from scripts. I've heard many, many stories of their lack of ability or even common sense from customers - I'm 3rd line support so I'm usually visiting the customer's PC after the helldesk have messed it up. Such gems as insisting that rebooting the PC will somehow magically resolve a jammed tray on a printer and not understanding that if you uninstall the Remote Access Manager on a homeworker's laptop it will disconnect and you won't be able to reinstall it are all too common.
      Still their existence means I don't end up having to field 20 password reset requests a day...

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    36. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should meet my old boss. He's run a small computer repair shop for around 17 years, although it's his long-suffering manager who's held the place together, and a rather talented technician (better than I ever was... I stopped caring about the work long, long ago.) He tells people that the world told Apple to change to Intel chips or they were going to make a new internet just for Apple.

      According to this guy, Linux and Apple are dying because their users are all jealous of Windows so they're writing viruses, and getting jail time for doing it.

      He's convinced that Firefox is a front end for Internet Explorer. He claims he proved it by making it access a site one day, by resetting part of the TCP stack, only in his mind, it was part of IE. I asked him why I could cross-compile Firefox on another OS, with no links to Windows, and he said he didn't care, he'd proved it, and that was that.

      He set up a small LAN for a church, a few years ago. When I went up to clean up, he'd set 2 of the 5 computers to 192.168.1.*, one of them to 10.1.1.*, and the rest to 192.168.0.*. Why he changed anything, I don't know, since the modem was set as the DHCP server. The worst part of it was that one of the two PCs on 192.168.1.* wasn't accessing the Windows share on the other. He'd installed Kaspersky, and not opened the correct ports in the firewall to let it share. Of course, he charged them for his time and mine...

      Or the time he committed insurance fraud, with a "broken" laptop that was fine. He had insurance replace it, and then re-sold the laptop. He didn't tell me what had gone wrong, only that I had to back up the data, which I did. I only found out some weeks later what he'd done. Sadly, if he ever gets arrested for that fraud, I'm going to jail, too, even though I didn't know.

      Then there was the time that money was tight, so he started adding a couple of hours (billed at a fairly high rate) to every job I did...

    37. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mostly about how stupid you are.

    38. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me tell you about a customer I had to deal with on a daily basis.

      She'd been a customer of the company longer than I'd been there, and she had often used the internet, probably daily, for some years.

      One day, this woman was in desperate need of help. Her account wasn't accessing the internet, but her daughter's was. The modem was obviously fine, the cabling, all fine. Software? Well, I had her check everything, just the same. Hardware, software, ping the gateway, the works. Then it occurred to me:

      "What program are you using to access the web?

      "The one I always use."

      "Is that Firefox or Internet Explorer?"

      "It's notepad. I'm sure I've always used it! Haven't I?"

      ".........can you hold on just a minute?"

      When I stopped laughing, I told her to use IE. (Sadly, I was not allowed to promote anything that wasn't Microsoft. My boss was a fat moron.)

      Still think the customer's always right?

    39. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Oh, it definitely goes both ways. But since the slashdot crowd is techy it's more likely we're on the support side of the conversation than the customer side. It's not just that most of the bad experiences only come to us from that one direction, but that's where all of our good stories are.

      As an example of something I've seen go both ways: I once called our ISP because we could send email but not receive it. They said they'd get back to us, but after a few hours I called them back to check on things. Their response was, "Oh, we figured it out and emailed you the solution hours ago." Even after they told me the answer over the phone, I don't think it clicked for them that you can't email a solution to someone who can't receive email.

      On the other hand I got an email help request from a customer once. The entire message just read "help" and nothing else. "How can I help?" I emailed back. "I can't send email," was his reply. I assured him that he was indeed sending email, and we both went on our merry way.

    40. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Or the manager who asks why she can't print to the printer that was recycled years ago (and her specific words were "Why can't I print to the printer we got rid of?" - so she knew it was gone)?

      That's right up there with this call:

      Her: I'm trying to use Greg's computer but it won't come on.
      I eventually identify that she's pressing the monitor button. I ask her to look for the "box" and press that button instead.
      Her: Box? Uh, I don't see one. Greg took his laptop with him. Does that mean I can't use it?

    41. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      One of my favorites involves failing to get a printer to power on, finally visiting the site in person, and having the customer explain, "Oh, I only checked the *other* end of the cable."

    42. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      So, to the sniggering nerds who laugh about their co-workers not being able to tell the difference between a "hard disk", a cpu and a computer case: ...

      That's hardly what most of these stories are about. I'll cut people a lot of slack for not having technical expertise when it's not their job. The user who can't play the DVD in the CD drive? I may chuckle to myself a little later but I'm not going to make fun of them in person or even with other techs. Likewise the user who says their home wireless stopped working, then confesses they don't have a wireless router at home, by which I deduce they'd been using their neighbors' networks at random until all the neighbors added passwords - I can see how someone would make that mistake.

      On the other hand the user who asks me to buy them a new mouse because they're "afraid" to clean off the mouse ball (I know that's going back a ways) even after I've demonstrated the process needs to suck it up and get over their technophobia. Likewise the user who crashed their computer when installing a device because they failed to read the card with the gigantic lettering that reads "1) shut down computer; 2) THEN plug in device" is not going to get much sympathy from me as they're throwing a fit. And the manager who begged me to drive across town to her house, after hours, to configure work email on her home computer, earned enmity from me as soon as I saw the new computer was a laptop that she could have easily brought into work.

    43. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And did you ask him to check both ends of the cable?

    44. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      No, I hadn't realized it was necessary until then. I have asked about both ends every time since, though.

    45. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by nanoflower · · Score: 1

      Perhaps because you had only purchased a 10Mbit connection their system so he wanted to insure you used more than that? ;)

    46. Re:If your customers aren't always right... by cusco · · Score: 1

      One of my stock phrases when I did helpdesk work was, "OK, I'm going to ask some really stupid questions first." People would generally chuckle, we'd go through checking whether this or that LED was on, and if it really WAS something stupid we'd be done quickly. Then they'd feel foolish, but I'd tell them that I had done something similar recently (even if I had to make something up). Customers seemed to like me, so I guess it worked.

      On the other hand, in my current position I frequently have to call the vendors' support lines, and more than once I've explained, "I've got this, and this, and this setting, and . . . oh, never mind. Thanks for your time."

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      "Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
  9. Deaf by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As far as #2 goes, I've been partially deaf since my toddler years and it really does help a lot if women are able to lower their voices. Most people just try to talk louder, but if you have a higher pitch (like most women), then deepening your voice will be a much more significant improvement over talking louder.

    1. Re:Deaf by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      Funny enough, I have a deep voice (I'm a man) and I've had to speak in falsetto to get some people to hear me. Like the person in the story, I don't particularly mind if I have to switch voices. It's silly but I've done way sillier things.

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    2. Re:Deaf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Receptionist got cold, so her natural high pitch went really high and speaking across room, my coworker with -90dB hearing on both on ears could not hear her, and for me it was just jumble of really high sounds. I needed to tell her "Sorry, this is not a joke, we really don't hear you - your voice is ultrasound".

    3. Re:Deaf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ditto to this. My dad's hearing is somewhat shot, but mostly in the high frequencies. On the phone, especially, he has a terrible time understanding what is said by women with higher-pitched voices. Even when he asks them to slow down.

    4. Re:Deaf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Odd. All the women know already have deep voices.

    5. Re:Deaf by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

      I found it really cool that she figured it out. Amazing how just a little thing like that can make such a big difference to someone else.

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  10. how to treat stupid customers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://v.cdn.cad-comic.com/comics/cad-20060407-7421d.jpg

    there's another one with an AOL user but I can't find it right now

  11. "Any Key" phone call really happened ... by perpenso · · Score: 1

    A friend worked at a brick-and-mortar that sold computers. He came back from work one day and shared that the "any key" stories are true. He said he watched a customer leave and call back a few hours later. He watched the salesman for that customer get on the phone, listen, and then say "the 'any key', that's the big long one on the bottom without a label".

    1. Re:"Any Key" phone call really happened ... by na1led · · Score: 2

      Those same people don't know the difference between Left and Right mouse button.

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    2. Re:"Any Key" phone call really happened ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought a computer once and it came with a transparent label marked "Any Key" which the instructions said to attach it to the space bar.

      Wonder how many people really needed that sticker in place, probably too many!

    3. Re:"Any Key" phone call really happened ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those same people don't know the difference between Left and Right mouse button.

      Left and right mouse buttons? How do you know which way I'm holding my mouse, smart guy???

    4. Re:"Any Key" phone call really happened ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buttons? Click?

      I've seen one older couple hit the mouse like playing wack-a-mole.

    5. Re:"Any Key" phone call really happened ... by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      I had a conversation with a secretary who kept referring to right-clicking as "opposite clicking." I suggested since right-click was the common parlance it might make things easier if she used the same phrase other people would use, just to reduce confusion. She paused for a second as if in thought and then said, 'So anyway when I opposite-click this ..."

    6. Re:"Any Key" phone call really happened ... by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      I had an interview where they asked me what I'd say if someone called with the "any key" problem. Thinking it was a test of manners, I tried to keep a straight face as I explained how I'd approach the situation and educate the user, but I probably laughed a little while saying it. After I got the job, one of the hiring committee mentioned in passing, "You were the only person we interviewed who showed any sense of humor about that question." I'd assumed they were testing my diplomacy, but instead they were testing my sense of humor.

    7. Re:"Any Key" phone call really happened ... by Card+Zero · · Score: 1

      I'm left-handed, you insensitive clod!

  12. Single-page version by bassman998 · · Score: 4, Informative
  13. Watch out for the old ladies! by na1led · · Score: 2

    Ma'am, can you put your 10 year old grandson on the phone, thank you!

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  14. Customer once demanded I go on location by WillAdams · · Score: 2

    to diagnose why an IBM PS/2 wouldn't boot after they'd moved it --- I tried to get them to diagnose the problem over the phone / read off what was on the screen, but they refused, so I drove over, walked up to the door of the office in question, saw the error message (I think it was 101) on the screen, announced, ``You've switched the plugs for the mouse and keyboard. Do you want to pay the 1 hr. minimum for me to swap the connections for you?''

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    1. Re:Customer once demanded I go on location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why insult them by asking? Just do the job, fix the issue, leave, and bill them. Not every tech support issue difficult, in fact most are quite simple troubleshooting. The smartest people miss simple things sometimes.

    2. Re:Customer once demanded I go on location by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      My record is three seconds in the room to fix a ticket complaining that there is no sound when playing DVDs.

      Enter room. Turn on speakers. Leave room.

      I was followed out by the sound of the class laughing at the teacher who submitted that ticket.

    3. Re:Customer once demanded I go on location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why give them the chance to say no? You drove over there, so you probably spent close to an hour total dealing with the problem, even if it was just a 2 minute job.

    4. Re:Customer once demanded I go on location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's my experience.

      I have a small side consulting business supporting a company's software . They're some great folks. We have a great professional relationship. They sometimes ask for help doing things that I've already trained them how to fix. In fact, a few times they've called me to click a button that's right there on their UI, that does the job.

      Every time I cheerfully help them. Every time I log the issue, and when the time to bill them comes up, that issue is included. Every time they pay their bill.

      This is amazingly awesome because it maintains a great relationship. They know we can be called upon for the big things and the little things, and that we treat them professionally. No eye rolling, no attitude, just two businesses trying to get ahead.

      Now if I weren't the one making the profit off of their calls, then I could understand the attitude, but if I were the guy who busted his butt to build the relationship and earn their business and one of the people resonsible for executing our part of the agreement pulled something like that, I wouldn't be too happy.

      I know that marketing is often maligned, but it's not really an easy job, and really anyone who interacts directly with the client or customer should at least understand that even if they're in the CSR group, they're part of marketing, and a bad impression there can be worse than the best impression from an official marketing rep.

    5. Re:Customer once demanded I go on location by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      I love, love, love, the calls when it's "loose power cable".

      5 minutes work, 1 hour pay. Now, this customer was happy as a clam eating a ... whatever clams eat because this was a piece of equipment that had been offline for years. They'd had a few people try to fix it up but they couldn't figure it out.

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    6. Re:Customer once demanded I go on location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's fantastic, I'm very happy for you - you're not stuck in an office at a flat hourly rate trying to fix an Exchange server while taking calls from the users who every day, without fail
      1) open a doc to Print Preview and then call screaming: "OMG WTF Word won't let me edit my document!"
      2) Decide program "X" is their "home program." Instead of opening "My Computer" they click "Open" in program "X" and navigate everywhere with that, regardless of file association.
      3) must have a shortcut on their desktop to EVERYTHING. Can't find ANYTHING without a shortcut.
      4) can't add printers, much less switch between them.
      5) navigate to a virus laden site in .RU, then arrange a mob because "OMG the company is blocking YouTube and censoring the Intarnets!"
      6) "You sent out a bulletin about SharePoint going down. Can I still get to the intarnets? Can I open Word documents? Can I save files? Can I print? No, don't tell me about it only being SharePoint, I don't understand your techweenie jibberjabber... how about Joe Blow and Suzie? Can they get to the intarnets, docs, cat vids, soccer calendar...."

    7. Re:Customer once demanded I go on location by cowboy76Spain · · Score: 1

      One thing is not to understand the error message, or to understand it but not to know how to handle it.

      Not bothering to even read The Fine error message is a different thing. Personally, I think that if a user can not be bothered with that, then the issue is not urgent (even if the user tells me it is).

      In my case, most of my horror stories come from family IT support. Some member of my family would sometimes get an error message while he was surfing the web, and wait until the next morning to call from his job (where he was bored) to my job (where I was not bored) to tell me that "an error showed up while he was at the PC" (that info, without specifying it) and expected me to, somehow, be able to diagnose his PC and tell him (in easy steps, of course) how to solve it over the phone. Had quite a few arguments about the issue until I finally got some respect.

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    8. Re:Customer once demanded I go on location by cowboy76Spain · · Score: 1

      It is very different when each call is billable and payed. It is "free money".

      But for internal IT, the following happens:

      *) "Hey it is free! Let's leave our brains at home because we can always call IT."

      *) Extra time spent in silly things means less time available for the real issues. And no, we do not get extra personal if we get extra work because people won't bother to RTFM.

      *) Not to mention the dickhead that acts as if he was the only user of the entire company and presses you because he "is friend with Mr. X" (and surprise, sometimes he is and Mr. X only wants to stop hearing the dickhead around him).

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    9. Re:Customer once demanded I go on location by cusco · · Score: 1

      Then there's the old bag who called me saying, "My computer doesn't work." What's wrong? "Doesn't work." Does it say anything on the screen? "I don't know, it doesn't work." Are the light's on the box or the monitor on? "I don't know, it just doesn't work. Come over here and fix it." Then she hung up. Almost immediately her supervisor called and said, "Can you please deal with Margret's computer? She sat there staring at the screen for over an hour before I made her call you."

      The message on the screen said, "Keyboard error. Press F1 to continue." I picked up the coffee cup sitting on the keyboard, set it to one side, pressed F1, and went back to my desk as it finished booting up.

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  15. Communication, Interrupted by Cazekiel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In most ways, this is true. Too many stories have come out about people screeeeaming at tech support, only to realize the computer isn't plugged in.

    However, I had a recent experience with Verizon support when I wanted to ban an IP address from emailing me; I'm not the most tech-savvy in the universe, and everyone here could've probably done it themselves in seconds, but I knew the basics, anyway. I went to every forum, yahoo! help section, whatever else to find a way to stop getting these awful emails from someone using an IP-masking/dummy-email service; most used MY email as the 'sender'. The content of the messages, ones I'd get literally hundreds of in one day at some points, would make me physically ill. When I'd had enough, I hit 'full header', got the IP and zeroed in on where it was coming from. I called Verizon and started a help session, where the guy helping me took control of my computer.

    TS: Okay, what we will do is block the email address sending these to you--
    Me: No, no, I want the IP blocked. This one. *mouses around to show IP*
    TS: Okay. *pause* So, you want these emails to stop.
    Me: Yes, I want the IP blocked. I read a forum saying to contact your internet service provider to find ways to block the IP.
    TS: Okay. *pause* But we can block the email address, which will--
    Me: No. No, okay... look... *takes control again* THIS is the website this person sending me these abusive emails is using. THIS is the website's IP address. When I get the emails, each one has the same IP, because they're USING this service's IP to harass me. Look, they're using MY email address as a 'dummy'; blocking the email address means I'm blocking MY email address. *clicks full header from two different emails* See? These are alllll being sent from the same IP. This is a site people use when they want to abuse someone without being found out. Watch. *demonstrates by sending an email to herself from the service being used (probably not the best idea in the universe, but he was NOT. GETTING. IT.)* See?
    TS: Ohhhhhhhhhh. Yes. It's not the email you want blocked, but the IP.
    Me: *looks to husband and shakes her head very slowly*

    There I am, a total amateur, telling a guy being paid to NOT be an idiot what I wanted done. No matter how many times I told him that forums and tech-guides all suggested getting your internet provider to help block IPs, he couldn't grasp the idea. I don't know if that IS possible, so I'm giving up on some aspects of tech support and just going to my brother, who, at eight-years old, outdid the instructor at the 'Computer Camp' he was enrolled in. Kinda sick of being so newbish when it comes to this stuff. I told him yesterday at my parent's Easter dinner he was going to teach me everything he knew. We're both kinda psyched.

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    1. Re:Communication, Interrupted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tl;dr. You got spam email. Welcome to the Internet.

    2. Re:Communication, Interrupted by ciggieposeur · · Score: 2

      The path of the original email is (a-hole's web server) ==> (your ISP's email system) ==> (your client, or web browser, whatever).

      What you're asking for is for them to block the first bit of communication, from the world to your ISP's email system.

      But what if there is another ISP user who expects to receive mail that originated from a-hole's web server? It isn't fair for your wishes to trump theirs, i.e. the ISP's email system is a shared resource, not yours alone.

      The right solution for you here is a mailbox rule of some kind, either running on the ISP's server or in your own POP or IMAP client.

    3. Re:Communication, Interrupted by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't happen to be extracts from Pornocopia, by any chance? If so, I think I know the program used to send them. It was passed around a bit during the Anonymous action against the Church of Scientology.

    4. Re:Communication, Interrupted by mpoulton · · Score: 1

      The easiest solution is probably to set up a filter in your mail client that automatically trashes emails from that IP. It's not really the same as blocking all communications from that IP, but the end result is that you don't see the mail.

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      I am a geek attorney, but not your geek attorney unless you've already retained me. This is not legal advice.
    5. Re:Communication, Interrupted by Cazekiel · · Score: 1

      I've heard of Pornocopia, as I followed the Scientology Vs. Anonymous events, but don't know what it consists of. The site in question was emkei (dot) cz, a Czech-Republic site (I rec not going there, lol). Is that the service they used? Anyway... I hate saying/typing what the content was, but it involves doing things to either dead or special needs kids. Seeing as I have a severely autistic son, it hit hard, and the fear that it could've been someone I know makes me even MORE uncomfortable. I'm a bit suspicious of a few people that are mentally unstable in my life, seeing as when it first started, my mother got the messages as well. I'd decided to send a mass-email to my contacts, describing what had happened and what to do if you get those messages (especially if they're from MY email). The fact that the messages have ceased after I did that make me feel both good and suspicious.

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      You want to know how to help your kids? LEAVE THEM THE F*&K ALONE. --George Carlin
    6. Re:Communication, Interrupted by Cazekiel · · Score: 1

      I'd tried to find out how, but all I came across was how to block addresses. I'll have to look closer, I suppose--thanks. :)

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      You want to know how to help your kids? LEAVE THEM THE F*&K ALONE. --George Carlin
    7. Re:Communication, Interrupted by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Pornocopia (Or is it pornucopia? I'm not sure) is a Piers Anthony novel. It contains lots of really weird and perverse stuff, but nothing like what you describe (He saves the stuff with kids for some other novels). It's more fantasy porn, involving weird and anatomically-impossible acts with creatures so strange they make furries look tame, all of it written in comedy and to some extent as a parody of more traditional fantasy works. It's been used in mass-mailing attacks because just grabbing a few paragraphs at random is almost sure to come up with something squick-worthy, and being actual english text rather than artificially generated it can get through spam filters with comparative ease.

    8. Re:Communication, Interrupted by Jeng · · Score: 1

      If it happens again call the police.

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      Don't know something? Look it up. Still don't know? Then ask.
    9. Re:Communication, Interrupted by Cazekiel · · Score: 2

      It isn't fair for your wishes to trump theirs, i.e. the ISP's email system is a shared resource, not yours alone.

      No, it's not mine alone, I understand that. However, the problem I have with that philosophy is the service they provide is to use a generic IP in order to hide their own from whoever they're sending mail to, and while there are perhaps real, honest uses for that, it seems obvious to me (and others) that in a good majority of cases, that service is created to abuse the person you're targeting. No, not in EVERY case, and in going to the site myself there IS a 'disclaimer' one has to agree to, stating that you are not there to abuse someone and agree to it. But what a-hole wanting to use it to abuse someone is going to say, "Aw, darn it," click "I do not accept" and go on with their daily lives? Not a one. They will hit 'I Accept' then use it to abuse someone, period.

      I cannot show you the actual messages to bring my argument home, as they're disgusting enough to probably get me kicked outta here for copy/pasting in a post or comment. But some of the words/phrases used are 'your retarded child', 'dead babies', 'rape', 'up the ass', 'lick', etc. Perhaps that wouldn't bother some people, but when I have a special needs child, I consider it not just disgusting, but a threat. I know what you're saying, but to make an analogy: convenience stores are being penalized for selling 'glass-tubed roses' (and in some cases, even 'Chore-Boy Copper Scrubbers'), because the sole reason the trinkets are produced and sold is to provide the tools to make a crack-pipe. There are people that don't know this, like my neighbor, who would walk down to the corner-store for a newspaper and buy her wife the roses. She was shocked when I told her what they were sold for. Every time someone would come in and buy ten of the roses plus a few scrubbers, I knew what they were for. Does your argument apply to this, saying, "Banning the tubed-roses is unfair to those who want to buy them for their boyfriend or girlfriend" while people are overdosing and/or dying as a result of their having convenient, disguised access to the tools for their drug abuse? Yes, they could find other ways to support and maintain their drug habit, but for a company to hone in on the drug-abuser-market, to me, is unethical.

      I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just stating my case.

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      You want to know how to help your kids? LEAVE THEM THE F*&K ALONE. --George Carlin
    10. Re:Communication, Interrupted by Cazekiel · · Score: 1

      I've been thanking people here for the info/advice, and getting this clarification definitely rules out some of my suspicions. The people whom I suspect have no ties or actual knowledge of Anonymous' actions, so in knowing Anon's 'source material', it kind of rules out the possibility that I'm being attacked by them. However, it also leads me to believe that this has been a personal attack, or even the prelude to threats, ones I don't deserve (or any parent of a special-needs kid, really). So yes, thank you for the info, I appreciate it.

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      You want to know how to help your kids? LEAVE THEM THE F*&K ALONE. --George Carlin
    11. Re:Communication, Interrupted by Cazekiel · · Score: 1

      Let me finish the second sentence:

      "You got spam email, or are being abused by someone you know in real-life who knows that you have a severely-autistic child and is suggesting certain acts, such as 'raping them' through using a site that masks who you actually are through their providing a dummy-IP."

      I really don't care if you think I'm overreacting, or believe I'm ignorant to things that occur on the internet. I really, really do not.

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      You want to know how to help your kids? LEAVE THEM THE F*&K ALONE. --George Carlin
    12. Re:Communication, Interrupted by sa666_666 · · Score: 1

      You make a good point as to why you (or anyone else really) wouldn't want to receive stuff from this IP. But from the POV of the ISP, it's irrelevant. You can't request to completely kill all communication at the source, unless the ISP contains some sort of per-user blacklist (ie, it blocks it for only you, and nobody else). And I seriously doubt that many ISPs would do that. And if they do, they're cutting off access to everyone that might want to go to that IP. Not to mention that the IP could be dynamic, in which case someone else could get it later, and then (probably never) find out it's been blocked by some ISP.

      The real solution has already been mentioned; you have to block it client-side (ie, on your own computer) with an email filter, localhost DNS entry, etc. There's no point arguing otherwise. In fact, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want any user having the power to call an ISP and unilaterally block an IP for everyone. That's just a DOS waiting to happen.

    13. Re:Communication, Interrupted by Cazekiel · · Score: 1

      Good points, and I'll be taking the suggestions. I'll probably go over this stuff with my brother, as he knows more than I. Thanks. :)

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      You want to know how to help your kids? LEAVE THEM THE F*&K ALONE. --George Carlin
    14. Re:Communication, Interrupted by HeckRuler · · Score: 2

      a guy being paid to NOT be an idiot

      Sorry kiddo, most of the people you can reach on a phone are not specifically being paid to be smart. They deal with the unwashed masses and by and far only have to do what the 3-ring binder in front of them tells them to do. Anyone that has more braincells to rub together can usually get better work. Especially when dealing with large ISP business like Mediacom or Comcast. They will hire the lowest common denominator that can deal with 80% of the traffic.

      If it's above their head, go over their head and try to talk to a manager or engineer or someone with a stuffed penguin.

    15. Re:Communication, Interrupted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://xkcd.com/806/ It never hurts to tell phone monkeys what you do for a living. They don't get "paid to NOT be an idiot." They are phone monkeys because they can read a script book. Until I started telling them I work on networks for a living, they would get confused when I called them and gave them diagnostic info. Now they forward me to a technician.

    16. Re:Communication, Interrupted by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      If it happens again call the police.

      Police won't do anything. Call the FBI.

    17. Re:Communication, Interrupted by ciggieposeur · · Score: 1

      One other option might be to see if these messages can be flagged as spam and deleted by the ISP. If the content is pretty repeatable, a good spam filter will pick it up no matter where it comes from, and many ISPs already filter spam for all their users so from their POV it might be win-win-win.

    18. Re:Communication, Interrupted by Jeng · · Score: 1

      I have had to call the police for something similar. While looking up information on a customer who claimed not to have received product I ran across many stories by said individual associated with his email address.

      Call your local police, they will have to escalate it wherever this is actually taking place.

      Do not make copies or anything for the cops, tell the cops how to access the information. If you make copies even for their benefit you are now a sex offender.

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      Don't know something? Look it up. Still don't know? Then ask.
    19. Re:Communication, Interrupted by AndyMoney · · Score: 1

      I agree. The ISP would likely need to make infrastructure changes to support your request. Unless you are using a web-based mail reader, you should be able to find a way to reliably filter all of the emails on your side. Posting some questions to some "tech" (anyone have suggestions?) forums should result in much assistance. Have you considered legal action? It's highly likely that an idiot kid is the "harrasser" and is not doing much to cover their tracks.

    20. Re:Communication, Interrupted by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      There's another theory: It's someone's prank. This is the internet, we have trolls. It's quite likely this is just some basement-dweller's idea of a good time: Pick a target, dig up a little something to use against them (Learning-disabled son? Perfect. Probably read it on some Facebook post or blog), proceed to taunt until they respond with hilarious outrage.

    21. Re:Communication, Interrupted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God, you're stupid.

    22. Re:Communication, Interrupted by Cazekiel · · Score: 1

      It's a prank that's been going on since New Year's Eve 2010.

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      You want to know how to help your kids? LEAVE THEM THE F*&K ALONE. --George Carlin
    23. Re:Communication, Interrupted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assuming you were using Outlook.

      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=block+email+by+ip+outlook&l=1

      You know, when you've done as much research as you describe, you finish the job.

    24. Re:Communication, Interrupted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, last AC was an idiot; I've encountered assholes like that before, though far less serious. Was taking this to the police/court and getting a restraining order out-of-the question?

    25. Re:Communication, Interrupted by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      If it's above their head, go over their head and try to talk to a manager or engineer or someone with a stuffed penguin.

      Thank you so much for that! The password in this xkcd is "shibboleet". I just learned the other day that the Bible contains a passage regarding asking people to say "Shibbolet" and if they came from a different region where the "sh" sound wasn't prevalent, they pronounced it "sibbolet" and were immediately murdered; 42,000 were killed this way. This type of holocaust runs rampant throughout history; there was the killing of the circumcised because that == Jew (fuck that, I want my foreskin back and have never been Jewish ahem), and also while searching for what the reference actually was (I remembered "Shibbolet" and massacre but not where the reference was from), I came across another reference to a massacre between Haiti and the Dominican Republic (they share an island), in which a similar "say this word" test was given.

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      I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
    26. Re:Communication, Interrupted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you care if you block inbound emails from yourself?

    27. Re:Communication, Interrupted by Smurf · · Score: 1

      Most e-mail clients will allow you to set a rule based on any header.

      In Outlook (at least for Mac), for example, you can "add a criterion" using a "Specific header" (last option from the pull-down menu). There you can say that the header is (I guess) X-Originating-Ip, and that it is or contains the IP address you identified.

      In Apple Mail you need to "Edit Header List..." and add the header you want to use (X-Originating-Ip?). Then you can specify rules using that criteria.

      I hope this helps!

    28. Re:Communication, Interrupted by Card+Zero · · Score: 1

      It never hurts to tell phone monkeys what you do for a living.

      It almost never helps, either.

      During my phone monkey days at a broadband ISP, it was common for customers who happened to own more than one computer to introduce themselves in the first thirty seconds as "network administrators." Invariably they'd left something unplugged or mucked up a default setting, which made for some frustrating calls when said "network administrator" refused to check the basics. After all, they were "network administrators" and would never make such a noobish mistake.

      After enough calls like this, the phone monkeys learned to interpret any statement like "I work on networks for a living" merely as a forecast of how obnoxious the customer was likely to be.*

      Now they forward me to a technician.

      Little did the network administrators know that they were being transferred back into the regular queue. Where, more often than not, the issue was resolved.

      *The real shibboleet was mentioning in the first 30 seconds that you were on a Linux box. That'd get you a real technician every time.

    29. Re:Communication, Interrupted by cusco · · Score: 1

      I work with a number of local police departments, some of them fairly large, and none of them have staff capable of handling a request like hers. Well, I should correct that, they have quite competent IT staff who could do it, but apparently if you don't carry a gun as part of your job you are incapable of investigating a crime.

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      "Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
  16. Teaching Pre-school? by squidflakes · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've always thought working in IT was more like being with a beautiful abusive spouse than anything else.

    When times are good, they are really good. You're happy, you're content, and you want the world to know that you love this job.

    But when things are bad, they are really bad. You get the shit knocked out of you for the smallest things. You learn little rituals and laundry lists of rules and behaviors that you have to engage it, because you're afraid to get hit again. Of course, some days the mood is just wrong and you're going to get it no matter what.

    When you do finally decide that you've had enough, and you turn your back on IT, all you can remember is the beautiful amazing job that you suddenly don't have and it takes every ounce of willpower not to go crawling back. Oh, sure, you know that IT has a history of this sort of thing. Life will be great for a couple of weeks then suddenly it will go back to a living hell, but you think... hey, I'm older and wiser now. Maybe IT has changed. Maybe I can change IT.

    But IT never changes.

    1. Re:Teaching Pre-school? by Cazekiel · · Score: 4, Funny

      They yell at you over the phone because they love you.

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    2. Re:Teaching Pre-school? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just forwarded this to my old boss (used to do IT, no longer!). Love it.

    3. Re:Teaching Pre-school? by QuantumRiff · · Score: 2

      I've always thought of it as being more like a firefighter.. without the glamour.. or the girls...

      Spend all day working on preparedness, public education, prevention, etc.. then Run Like Mad when the fan gets hit by brown stuff.. then, have to figure out why it happened, and how to add it to the list of prevention matters.

      And if your really doing you're job right, people will wonder why they even keep you around at all, nothing ever goes wrong.. :)

      --

      What are we going to do tonight Brain?
    4. Re:Teaching Pre-school? by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 1

      Gotta agree with this. Used to be a firefighter now I work as a network engineer. Still fighting fires for a living.

    5. Re:Teaching Pre-school? by hellop2 · · Score: 1

      Finally we know why nerds don't have real girlfriends.

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    6. Re:Teaching Pre-school? by cusco · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Twice I've 'worked myself out of a job', updating, configuring and automating everything to the point where my predecessor's 50-hour week became my 25-hour week. Supervisors don't like to pay you to browse SlashDot the other 15 hours, so once I went to a better job and the other time I got laid off and replaced by a part-timer (who became a full timer within three months as things went to hell).

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      "Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
  17. voice pitch sketch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    kinda reminds me of this...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOqfPG1ohKw

  18. Computer won't start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    True tech-support story, on my part.

    Customer calls complaining that she can't start her computer (she's in her late 70s), so I go through the usual culprits: power cord, disconnected video cable, etc.

    Then I try to walk her through the BIOS to check a few minor issues, that's when my diagnosis of the problem come to fruition: Her monitor was powered off and she's been hitting the power button repeatedly on the CPU. (facepalm and fast thinking ensues).

    I have her turn on the power on her monitor, then the CPU and her world returns to proper balance. (accepts the golf-applause demurely). She asks what the button on her monitor does, so without wanting to hurt her feelings and obliquely inform her, "That initializes part of the video system, so make sure that one is turned on first. You can check by seeing if the light on the monitor is on, either yellow or green is fine. That has to be on first before you turn on the rest of the computer."

    Never had such a grateful customer in my life.
    Just goes to show, a carefully tweaked white lie can give you a LOT of mileage! :)

    1. Re:Computer won't start by treeves · · Score: 1

      What made you think she wouldn't understand if you told her the truth?

      --
      ...the future crusty old bastards are already drinking the Kool-Aid.
    2. Re:Computer won't start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And some time later some poor techsupport gets his brain chewed out: "You were fixing my computer yesterday, right? And today it broke again, and I figured out why. You didn't initialize the video system before the rest of computer! Even I know that, so you are supposed to know that too, why are we even paying you! Now it's broke because of you, so come over here RIGHT NOW and FIX WHAT YOU BROKE!"

      So don't. White lies often come back later to bite you (or someone else) in the ass.

    3. Re:Computer won't start by janeil · · Score: 1

      Of course, as far as she's concerned, having to hit more than one button to turn on her computer is just strange and a little silly. She might very reasonably think, "That's stupid, is there some OTHER time you'd want the computer on, but the monitor off? Or the monitor on but not the computer?" This would be (to her) like having to turn your television on, and then make sure you turned on the screen. And, remembered to turn on the speakers, too.

      There's nothing unreasonable about her reaction, in fact, having all these separate power buttons is the real loser idea. Most of us here just take it for granted when it is really pretty stupid.

    4. Re:Computer won't start by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      The point is that she would be embarrassed if you told her the truth. That's what "white lies" are for.

      Kind of like now, when I tell you that the term "white lie" is an obscure one known only to ethicists and logicians, and that they are told mostly by experienced psychologists and hostage negotiators.

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    5. Re:Computer won't start by treeves · · Score: 1

      I know what white lies are for, and can understand the principle of not wanting to embarrass someone, but I don't think you did her a favor by not telling her the truth, in this case. And I wonder whether you would have done the same had she been thirty years old instead of late seventies.

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      ...the future crusty old bastards are already drinking the Kool-Aid.
  19. Funniest Home Videos by LazloHollyfeld · · Score: 2

    None of those stories were remotely amusing.

  20. Neighborhood IT Support by Chente · · Score: 5, Funny

    I once worked on my next-door-neighbor's computer to solve a printer problem. The printer was not connected, and he didn't know what kind of cable he needed. I found a spare USB cable that would fit. I felt it was odd that his USB connections were so far down at the bottom of the back of his case, but I've seen a lot of odd cases. I downloaded the drivers and installed them, nothing unusual; the printer was soon working normally. My delighted neighbor and asked me if I could check the computer's CD drive. He told me that the last time he had tried to use it, the CDs just kept sliding right off the drawer each time he tried to load it. I was surprised to find that the CD drive was at the very bottom of the front of the case. Curious, I tried to find the maker's name. It was LLED, except the letters were written backwards.

    It was a very easy fix, I can tell you. I managed to get everything set, and get out of his apartment and back into mine before I burst out laughing. I told my girlfriend about the mysterious DELL computer case I had just seen and how I had fixed my neighbor's computer simply by flipping it right side up.

    She refused to believe that anyone could be that stupid, but there you have it.

    1. Re:Neighborhood IT Support by Admiral_Grinder · · Score: 1

      Didn't HP have a series of office computers that looked upside down because they put the 5.25 bays on the bottoms of the case?

    2. Re:Neighborhood IT Support by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I don't recall any Dells like that, but NEC had a design with the bays on the bottom back when the original Pentium was a desirable chip.

    3. Re:Neighborhood IT Support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...so what you're saying is that you missed the box being upside down when you plugged in the cable, and only noticed when you looked at the front? Right.

  21. The runaway mouse ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As soon as I read those words, I got an instant migraine and my back started hurting too.

  22. 'MY' computer accessible to the public? by dcsmith · · Score: 2

    In story #1, why was the tech's computer powered up, logged in to the network, and not locked? That's the only way someone could walk up to it and access 'My Computer'. Sorry, I call BS.

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    This has been a test. If this had been an actual Sig, you would have been amused.
    1. Re:'MY' computer accessible to the public? by Culture20 · · Score: 2

      Windows 95/98.
      Or, like many large systems, any user could probably log in to their own profile on his physical computer via active directory accounts.

    2. Re:'MY' computer accessible to the public? by dcsmith · · Score: 1

      I suppose I'll give you 95/98, although that's reaching back into computer antiquity. Might as well talk about hardware support and 'bugs' getting into the relays... Wouldn't AD have pulled her printers when she logged in with her profile? Sorry, it still reeks of 'Wouldn't this be a funny story?' rather than an actual IT support problem.

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      This has been a test. If this had been an actual Sig, you would have been amused.
    3. Re:'MY' computer accessible to the public? by Culture20 · · Score: 2

      Only if they set up printers via AD. Not everyone does that. In fact, I've only worked at one place that does that.

    4. Re:'MY' computer accessible to the public? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't AD have pulled her printers when she logged in with her profile?

      Only if the printer is shared with Active Directory. If the printer is only installed and configured as a local printer on her workstation then it won't go with you when you log in elsewhere.

    5. Re:'MY' computer accessible to the public? by crafty.munchkin · · Score: 1

      In story #1, why was the tech's computer powered up, logged in to the network, and not locked? That's the only way someone could walk up to it and access 'My Computer'. Sorry, I call BS.

      Derr, the password was on the sticky note on the monitor! Don't you know anything?!?

      --
      ... wait, what?
    6. Re:'MY' computer accessible to the public? by cusco · · Score: 1

      Only if they're using roaming profiles. If you have an office full of engineers who use Google Earth their roaming profile can rather quickly balloon to >150 mb, and on a slow/congested network or when a bunch of them all log in at 8:00 in the morning they'll spend the first 20 minutes of their day waiting for their PC to finish loading their profile. Seriously.

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      "Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
  23. Geeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Geek industry makes crap OS the king.

    Geeks get upset when people have trouble with the crap OS.

    World hates geeks with complete justification.

  24. One long phone cord.... by Petron · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll share my own store of tech support blues...

    Back in the day, I worked at a dial-up ISP. I was working in tech support, and working in the PC-Repair office, and while most calls were the "Your caps lock is on" and "The power is out, wait for it to turn on" issues. There were some fun with the PC-Repair office (Coffee stains in the CD Load-tray (the stories are true!), or the "I never used antivirus! I know what I'm doing" people that tended to wind up on our "Maleware Count High Score" board.

    One day I took a call from a lady that said she couldn't send and receive email. She said she was on her cell phone so I had her walk through trying to get the email and get the error message - 680: No dial tone. So I asked her to make sure the phone cord is plugged in to the computer and the wall. She said her laptop didn't need to be plugged in using a phone cord. Well now I'm thinking she had a wireless network setup and about to go through those settings, when I noticed the sound in the background.... Traffic. She and her husband was in the middle of the road. She insisted that she could unplug everything and still get her email while on the freeway before. Ends up that laptop was their only computer (no home wireless). I told her she could send/receive email when she connects to a phone line again, but she demanded to talk to my manager, who confirmed everything I said. She ended up stating she would look for other services that would know how their systems run better... I checked a couple of months later and her account was still active. Guess no other dial-up internet company offered a hundred mile long phone cord.

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    1. Re:One long phone cord.... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Every time I chuckle at a story like this I can't help but wonder how much of a Grade-A Moron I look like to my mechanic or to any other service provider I use when I'm outside of my comfort zone.

      We really do need to be careful about associating understanding of the blinky lights with intelligence.

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      "I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)

    2. Re:One long phone cord.... by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      IRDA modem in her cell phone? I used to do that back in the day.

    3. Re:One long phone cord.... by QuantumRiff · · Score: 1

      I tinkered and messed, and futzed with my furnace for a few hours, but with it being winter in Wisconsin, and two small kids in the house, I gave up and figured I really needed to have working heat..

      Guy came right out, tested a few things.. worked.. I caught myself right before I said "well it wasn't working a minute ago".. I just can't be that customer.. :) Turns out a sensor was going bad, and had to get replaced, it would only work after it had sat idle for a while (with the power off to the furnace) Made me feel much better, that there actually was a problem...

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      What are we going to do tonight Brain?
    4. Re:One long phone cord.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The important difference, hopefully, between you and the user in the story is that you don't fight with your auto mechanic. I don't advocate blind acceptance, but it's a world of difference between "not understanding, can you clarify" and "liar!"

      I bear no one ill will they don't understand computers. I treat them with patience and respect, the same way I want to be treated by specialists I see. In return, I give them the respect you should give to someone who works on a complicated system on a daily basis.

    5. Re:One long phone cord.... by Man+Eating+Duck · · Score: 1

      Turns out a sensor was going bad, and had to get replaced, it would only work after it had sat idle for a while (with the power off to the furnace) Made me feel much better, that there actually was a problem...

      I know that the story "Chalk mark: $1, knowing where to put it: $999 (or whatever)" is an urban legend, but never disregard experience. Two friends of mine are an electrician and a plumber, and you wouldn't believe the messes they've had to fix after hobby handymen who tried fixing things themselves (I don't really understand those mistakes, but to electricians and plumbers they are apparently hilarious). They are regularly abused for correcting those people's mistakes, to boot. Your furnace guy has experience with troubleshooting heating sensors or whatever could go wrong with furnaces, you don't. Calling him was a good decision :)

      Another friend of mine who is a mechanic told me that "If you have a problem which makes your car not go, you can try to fix it yourself. If you have a problem with the things that should make your car stop (i.e. brakes), call me. *Don't* try to do it yourself". I'll heed his advice if I ever get a car.

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    6. Re:One long phone cord.... by BlueScreenO'Life · · Score: 1

      But would you get a "No dial tone" error with that?

      Just curious.
      Posting to undo accidental downmod...

    7. Re:One long phone cord.... by SimplyGeek · · Score: 1

      I like the point the mechanic is making about differentiating between critical and non-critical systems. However, a simple brake job is just one of those things anyone with any degree of self sufficiency should know how to do themselves. It's just sad when a person can't replace their brake pads.

    8. Re:One long phone cord.... by hellop2 · · Score: 1

      So, your friend only fixes brakes?

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    9. Re:One long phone cord.... by Inda · · Score: 1

      The trick is to ask a couple of questions you know the answer to. If they bullshit back to those questions, they're probably doing it for the others too.

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    10. Re:One long phone cord.... by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I've had a water heater moment that really made me understand being on the other side of tech support. Our water heater simply stopped putting out heat one day. I opened the panel, checked pilot light (still good), turned the temperature dial up and down, couldn't do anything to get it to kick in and actually heat water. Called the heating company. Guy comes out, turns the dial down and back up (just like I did), and the heat kicks in. Two years later it's still running fine, no parts replaced or anything. Still don't understand that one.

    11. Re:One long phone cord.... by cusco · · Score: 1

      Newer American cars are now coming with proprietary screw heads and the like, to ensure that you need to take it in to be worked on. IIRC, the 7-sided Allen wrench to remove the big grey pancake covering the engine on the Buick Aurora cost $175,

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    12. Re:One long phone cord.... by cusco · · Score: 1

      You probably forgot to sprinkle the magic pixie dust on it first . . .

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  25. NEW! Anti-Virus USB Cable! by MasterOfGoingFaster · · Score: 1

    > "... and refuses to let you do anything but change the cable?"

    I tell them I don't believe it will help at all, but I'm glad to sell them a new one if that is what they want. Wait....

    1 - Offer new Anti-Virus USB cable
    2 - ???
    3 - Profit!

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  26. A jelly bean in the printer by microcars · · Score: 2

    "Who would have thought?"

    wow

    :/

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  27. SPOILER ALERT! by microcars · · Score: 1

    sorry! hope I didn't ruin it for someone...

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  28. Re:NEW! Anti-Virus USB Cable! by SJHillman · · Score: 1

    A USB cable won't work well in an Ethernet port (although USB-B does fit surprisingly well), so it should do a good job of preventing infections from over the network.

  29. I've had a few myself by koan · · Score: 1

    My fav was a lady that called in and told me "My computer is talking" (this was in 1997) I asked what it was saying she stated it was "whispering" so I said put the phone by it and I heard "If you would like to make a call please hung up and try again" it was her modem speaker.

    The other one that comes to mind is the guy who stated his mouse didn't work, after talking to him for a bit I figured out he had it upside down, yes upside down, the part where your palm goes on the mouse pad.

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    1. Re:I've had a few myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can top the second. A buddy of mine ran across someone who held their mouse (think old ball and rollers) in the air trying to DRAG their pointer across the screen. She thought since the screen was a vertical X & Y, their mouse had to move in that plane too. We are talking about weeks with multiple techs thinking something was wrong w/ the mouse or it was dirty.

      The 4th tech just happened to stick around long enough to catch her using it her "normal" way and telling her, that won't work.

  30. Designed to fail by fermion · · Score: 2
    What is interesting is that two of these things are problems that, for better or worse, and maybe for good reason, were designed into the system. 'My Computer' is a stupid name for the stuff on a computer. Even more stupid then 'Trash' to eject a disk, as that can be trained to.

    The telephone system sucks for older people or people with some hearing loss. I am sure there was a good reason to make the frequency range so small, but as older people are expected to do everything they same as they always did, it becomes more of a problem. Fortunately there is Skype with is a lifesaver.

    As far as everything else, support, like teaching, is about asking questions and assuming nothing. It is hard because the other person thinks they are being talked down to, but then some people cannot be helped.

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    1. Re:Designed to fail by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 1

      What is interesting is that two of these things are problems that, for better or worse, and maybe for good reason, were designed into the system. 'My Computer' is a stupid name for the stuff on a computer.

      True, but it is such an obvious source for confusion that anyone doing tech support should have made sure they spelt it out in full: minimise the window to see the desktop, find the icon named "My Computer" and double click it. Depending on the person who called for support, you may need to specify to double click with the left mouse button. Some older people can have problems with the double click action, so a right click and select "Open" from the menu works too.

      If the user thinks that you are talking down to them then you just explain that this makes it easier for you to envisage what is currently on the screen, and that speaking the steps out loud is to help you rather than them.

    2. Re:Designed to fail by mr_spatula · · Score: 2

      Ah yes, "My Computer." One of the best things MS ever did for support folk was to eliminate the "My" from that.

      I remember I had a habit of saying things like "now go into my computer" -- which would be followed by "How in the hell am I suppose to get into YOUR computer?"

      I learned very quickly to say "Double click on the icon labeled 'My Computer'" instead.

    3. Re:Designed to fail by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      I am sure there was a good reason to make the frequency range so small...

      Yes. Back in the day, when lines were analog, copper, and expensive, putting multiple calls on one line was seen as economical. To do this, they needed to limit the frequency bandwidth of each call so that each call could fit into it's frequency allocation on the cable. Early research indicated that only a narrow band of frequencies were needed to make a call intelligible between normal persons, so they limited each call to this band. And, what do you know? It worked. In fact, it worked so well that it became standardized.

      I'd assume that they'd have changed this by now with packet-switched networking, but maybe not.

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    4. Re:Designed to fail by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

      Or it could be like a place I lived at years ago, where they still had lead telephone wires. The techs always bitched about hurricane season (this was near the east coast shore) because of water leakage. Not sure how lead is worse than copper with water, but they told me it was.

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  31. fire a customer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sometimes you have to fire a customer.

  32. Toner by SnarfQuest · · Score: 0

    I was debugging some code while the client was trying to get his copier to print properly. It was one of those large office copiers with equally large bottles of toner (gallon size). They decided to try shaking the bottle of toner (upside down of coarse) to break up any clumps, but forgot to put a cap on the nearly full bottle. I learned that large volumes of toner has impressive flowing properties, in a "get me the hell away from that flood" sort of way, and that vacuuming it is not very effective (goes right through the filters). It was years before they finally eliminated the toner from all its hiding places. Funny as hell anyway.

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  33. Re:One long phone cord....but its wireless by rullywowr · · Score: 1

    I'll share my own store of tech support blues... Back in the day, I worked at a dial-up ISP. I was working in tech support, and working in the PC-Repair office, and while most calls were the "Your caps lock is on" and "The power is out, wait for it to turn on" issues. There were some fun with the PC-Repair office (Coffee stains in the CD Load-tray (the stories are true!), or the "I never used antivirus! I know what I'm doing" people that tended to wind up on our "Maleware Count High Score" board. One day I took a call from a lady that said she couldn't send and receive email. She said she was on her cell phone so I had her walk through trying to get the email and get the error message - 680: No dial tone. So I asked her to make sure the phone cord is plugged in to the computer and the wall. She said her laptop didn't need to be plugged in using a phone cord. Well now I'm thinking she had a wireless network setup and about to go through those settings, when I noticed the sound in the background.... Traffic. She and her husband was in the middle of the road. She insisted that she could unplug everything and still get her email while on the freeway before. Ends up that laptop was their only computer (no home wireless). I told her she could send/receive email when she connects to a phone line again, but she demanded to talk to my manager, who confirmed everything I said. She ended up stating she would look for other services that would know how their systems run better... I checked a couple of months later and her account was still active. Guess no other dial-up internet company offered a hundred mile long phone cord.

    I work for a major audio industry product manufacturer and one of our technical support running jokes revolves around our technical support for wireless headphones. Like all wireless headphones, these headphones need to plug into the wall for power and of course need to be plugged into an audio source (TV, computer, etc.).

    I have lost count of how many times our techs have asked customers on the other end of the phone, "Do you have it plugged into the wall and/or audio source?" and we are met with the ubiquitous response, "Of course I didn't plug it in, these are WIRELESS headphones."..... /sigh

  34. Re:NEW! Anti-Virus USB Cable! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

    FireWire 800 cables fit in the Ethernet port and Apple puts the two next to each other. If you're not looking, it's easy to plug the FW800 cable into the Ethernet port and wonder why nothing is happening.

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  35. Computer Voodoo by fwarren · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't forget computer vo0doo.

    You were the last person to work on my computer and that was 4 years ago. It has been working perfectly, I have installed no new software, I have made no changes. Ha! now it is not working and it is something that YOU did 4 years ago that is causing the problem. Fix it NOW and fix it for FREE.

    Yes, you are the hoodoo with the voodoo. Magically something you did 4 years back has kept the computer running beautifully for 4 years, then all of a sudden "poof" it has broken everything. Links don't open, and the computer runs slow.

    Do I even need to mention that on a computer with NO software installs in 4 years, now has 10 browser bars and Add/Remove programs shows Smiley Central was installed 2 days ago.

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    1. Re:Computer Voodoo by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      The problem here is a lack of communication between the user and support technician/admin. Let's assume they're right and that the problem is related to some work performed on the machine 4 years go. It's still the clients fault for letting it linger for 4 years. If you suspect an on-going issue, there needs to be follow up. Same goes for the person performing thee repair. Even if that means no further work can be performed. Above all, all work needs to be documented and acknowledged.

      Some clients will bitch regardless. But it's up to you as a technician to protect yourself from miscommunication. If for some reason you never get a response back from the client, document attempts prior to placing closure on an issue. It's basic 101 in CYA mode.

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    2. Re:Computer Voodoo by fwarren · · Score: 1

      What?

      I was talking sarcastically about the situation where something is done for a customer, like setting up a new set of records for quickbooks or installing a sound card. Then years later the customer calls up and say that they have made NO changes to their computer in 4 years. Now they have a new problem, lets say the computer is running slow and a key on the keyboard sticks. They dont think it could be anything they have done in the last 4 years. nothing they spilt on the keyboard. They say they have installed no new software on the computer, but there are dozens of new programs and crapware installed. They have a dozen toolbars in their browser. But they will swear up and down that the computer moving slow and the sticky key on the keyboard is due to something you did wrong when you installed a sound card for them 4 years ago.

      Symantec WinFax. is able to use live update. They pushed out 1 update back in 2000 or so. It caused so many problems they NEVER pushed another update out for WinFax. I worked WinFax support for 3 months in 2004. Customers would call and say that they purchased WinFax in 2002, it has been working flawlessly for the last 2 years and the lasted "Live Update" broke it. I would explain to them that the last "Live update" was pushed out 2 versions and 2 years before they even purchased the program and there was no chance a live update broke anything. You would be surprised at how adamant people can be at that point that there was an update and we should fix the computer for them for free.

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  36. Why is dealing with IT like dealing with retards? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Seriously. I can't decide which is worse - listening to a moron half a world a way read a scripted response in some sort of broken indecipherable semi-English or listening to a moron in my own country read a scripted response in some sort of broken indecipherable semi-English. Is that the only choices that IT can provide?

    And what is with you IT guys putting your own failings on the end-users? Can any of you strip and repair a transmission from a tractor? Can you even explain how it works? What!? Are you idiots? How about doing a simple surgery? Can you provide an accurate forecast of economic activity in a given sector? No? I guess that makes you dumb.

    Hmmmm... It almost looks like the case where almost every person has a talent and most people are competent at what they are trained at and not so much competent at what they aren't. How about we lay off the "dumb end-user" stories. IT uses them to cover their own lameness and the rest of us are getting tired of hearing IT whinging.

  37. One of my favorites by commodore73 · · Score: 1

    Call my DSL ISP for tech support and they tell me to unplug the phone on which I'm talking to them.

  38. The Word Perect call of shame... by FlyingGuy · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is a true story from the WordPerfect help line. Needless to say the help desk employee was fired; however, he/she is currently suing the WordPerfect organization for "Termination without Cause."

    Actual dialog of a former WordPerfect Customer Support employee:

    "Ridge Hall computer assistant; may I help you?"

    "Yes, well, I'm having trouble with WordPerfect."

    "What sort of trouble?"

    "Well, I was just typing along, and all of a sudden the words went away."

    "Went away?"

    "They disappeared."

    "Hmm. So what does your screen look like now?"

    "Nothing."

    "Nothing?"

    "It's blank; it won't accept anything when I type."

    "Are you still in WordPerfect, or did you get out?"

    "How do I tell?"

    "Can you see the C: prompt on the screen?"

    "What's a sea-prompt?"

    "Never mind. Can you move the cursor around on the screen?"

    "There isn't any cursor: I told you, it won't accept anything type."

    "Does your monitor have a power indicator?"

    "What's a monitor?"

    "It's the thing with the screen on it that looks like a TV. Does it have a little light that tells you when it's on?"

    "I don't know."

    "Well, then look on the back of the monitor and find where the power cord goes into it. Can you see that?"

    "Yes, I think so."

    "Great. Follow the cord to the plug, and tell me if it's plugged into the wall."

    ".......Yes, it is."

    "When you were behind the monitor, did you notice that there were two cables plugged into the back of it, not just one?"

    "No."

    "Well, there are. I need you to look back there again and find the other cable."

    ".......Okay, here it is."

    "Follow it for me, and tell me if it's plugged securely into the back of your computer."

    "I can't reach."

    "Uh huh. Well, can you see if it is?"

    "No."

    "Even if you maybe put your knee on something and lean way over?"

    "Oh, it's not because I don't have the right angle - it's because it's dark."

    "Dark?"

    "Yes - the office light is off, and the only light I have is coming in from the window."

    "Well, turn on the office light then."

    "I can't."

    "No? Why not?"

    "Because there's a power outage."

    "A power... A power outage? Aha, okay, we've got it licked now. Do you still have the boxes and manuals and packing stuff your computer came in?"

    "Well, yes, I keep them in the closet."

    "Good. Go get them, and unplug your system and pack it up just like it was when you got it. Then take it back to the store you bought it from."

    "Really? Is it that bad?"

    "Yes, I'm afraid it is."

    "Well, all right then, I suppose. What do I tell them?"

    "Tell them you're too stupid to own a computer."

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    1. Re:The Word Perect call of shame... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I ever received such service from IT I would have the drone fired. Period. Rudeness has no place in the workplace.

    2. Re:The Word Perect call of shame... by txsable · · Score: 1

      Wow, this has been around since at least '97, and probably before. It's false, and if I never see it again it will be too soon.

      http://www.snopes.com/humor/business/wordperfect.asp

    3. Re:The Word Perect call of shame... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      check snopes, this never actually happened. (first time I heard this it was attributed to Wang because Wang was a funnier name, I guess)

    4. Re:The Word Perect call of shame... by Ultra64 · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah. I remember this "true story" from when my friend told me.

      In the 90s.

    5. Re:The Word Perect call of shame... by Ultra64 · · Score: 1

      If you don't know that computers need electricity to turn you probably couldn't figure out how to fire someone.

    6. Re:The Word Perect call of shame... by keith_nt4 · · Score: 2

      At the risk of being "that guy" this is a forwarded email that's been circulating via forward buttons for 10+ years now...who knows if it's true... sounds true... :-)

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    7. Re:The Word Perect call of shame... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My own experience went as follows:

      C: Hello, yadda yadda, internet is not working.
      T: Ok, I'm not seeing your (cable) modem on our system. I'm going to get you to reboot it.
      Could you please unplug the modem, wait 10 seconds, and then plug it back in?
      Note: It is easier to ask this than to ask them to check if it is plugged in. Less hassle.

      C: Er... I don't think that's safe.
      T: ... Why do you say that?
      C: Well, the basement got flooded, and the power outlet is under water.
      T: Ah. Sounds like that might be the problem.

    8. Re:The Word Perect call of shame... by crafty.munchkin · · Score: 1

      I first read it in 1995...

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  39. Re:In his defense... by Cazekiel · · Score: 1

    I believe I described the problem/my request with as much accuracy as I could. He was in my computer, so I was able to show him directly what the issue was, what IP I wanted ousted, etc. Believe me, I'm so-not-saying that he's the general example of what ALL tech-support is like.

    Plus, I don't have a printer. Lol.

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  40. My stories by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2

    While no longer technically helpdesk, a vast part of my job is spent doing the job of our helpdesk and solving the world's problems. These are a few of my oddballs.

    1
    A person at a field office could no log on to the Staples site. She contacted Staples who said her cookies must have been deleted which is why her information no longer auto-populated but they reset her password and sent her the information. She still couldn't log in.

    I looked at the email that had been sent to her and something clicked in. I asked her if she hadn't transposed the company ID and her ID when logging in. As soon as I said this she started (nicely) cursing under her breath. Sure enough, with those two items switched, she got in with no problem. She all but begged me not to ever tell anyone about this, even when I was completing the ticket to close it. I put in some vague information about possible web site issues but did mark the ticket as 'Education Required'.

    2
    Whenever I tell someone to open their C: drive, I tell them to go to My Computer (similar to the one story). The only difference is I tell them it's the My Computer icon which is usually located in the upper left corner of the screen. So far, that bit of communication is all that is needed to get them on the right path.

    3
    I was working to streamline the process by which a visually impaired employee would receive documents from various offices. His screen reading software had issues with certain pdf documents. I finally got all involved to send him Word documents instead.

    However, during this conversation, I had remoted into a different person's pc to look at where the documents were being sent from. This person asked me how I knew the documents I was looking at were pdfs. I moved the mouse to the Adobe icon in front of the document and explained this means it's a pdf. I then moved to the end of the document name and said, "See this .pdf extension at the end of the name? That also means it's a pdf document."

    I then showed her what Word document icons look like for comparison.

    4
    A printer was no longer showing it had a high capacity, tray 4. Everything printed fine, it just wouldn't pull from tray 4.

    After turning the machine off and on, hoping to reset it, someone mentioned the light for the tray no longer lit. That got me thinking.

    I looked at the back of the machine and saw there were 2 power cords. One for the machine itself and one from the machine to the tray. I checked and the plug, which was only inches off the ground, was loose

    Only conclusion I could reach was the cleaning crew had whacked it with the vacuum and slightly jarred it loose even though by looking at it you wouldn't have noticed it.

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    1. Re:My stories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you might need some tech support

    2. Re:My stories by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Oh God, those are nothing. Let me tell you a few of my own.

      1. Client doesn't have a C: Drive. The root of their XP System volume is actually F:. It happened when a technician reinstalled Windows on a Dell XPS that had a built-in multi-card reader that was taking over the drive letter assignment upon reinstall. It's uber rare, but it can happen. Pulled my hair out trying to walk a client over the phone. It truely was one of those "if you didn't see it, you wouldn't have believed it moments"

      2. Website was partially blocked because some content was linked to a signed blocked by OpenDNS content filtering categories (paid for service).

      3. VPN doesn't work with new Verizon aircards. Turns out Verizon was having trouble passing the GRE protocol on newer networks provisioned for these cards. We had to work with engineering on that one.

      4. Offsite backups were no longer functioning. The Sonicwall was flagging a portion of the bytestream as being infected with a particular virus. False positive.

      5. PDFs wont open. Adobe Reader wasn't installed, and someone decided to associate with MS Word. Duh! (real easy fix, but they made it sound like an Adobe issue)

      6. XP Laptop running really slow. HDD stuck in PIO modem instead of UDMA. It happens.

      7. DNS issues client side. #1 cause for strange share and application issues.

      8. intermittent networked printer connectivity issues. Sometimes the print job will go through, sometimes now. Cause: Someone hard-coded their client IP to be the same. Basic duplicate IP issue. Verified via "ARP - a" command. Placed GPO in place to enforce a policy that users can't change the settings. Problem solved.

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    3. Re:My stories by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      9. Never use spellcheck autocorrect in a browser. It fucked my posting all to hell.

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  41. Best Of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I worked for Time Warner Cable some years ago, we had a network drive for the managers that they'd throw the best phone calls on. Stuff like a customer calling to ask what color blanket to put over her cable box so the video camera inside couldn't see her at night. The rep, knowing it wasn't worth trying to explain to her that there is no video camera in the cable box replied, "Uuuuh, blue." She thanked him and hung up.

    Other calls like one where the police raid the customer's house while she's on the phone with the cable company. You can hear the flash bang go off and the SWAT team knock the door down. "Where are the drugs?!?!", an officer yell. "They're in the crawl space!", replies the customer.

    I'd helped answer some overflow calls at one point in Level 3. Customer's cable TV service was out. Seemed like a drop issue. Informed the customer that we could have someone out there the next morning to fix it. "I have a 6 year old downstairs screaming and crying her eyes out because she can't watch the Disney Channel. What do you expect her to do until then?!" I paused for a second and said, "Tell her to go outside and play." The customer went nuts when she heard that but it was totally worth it.

    Lots of other great ones. Should really see if I can't dig them up.

  42. Recent Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Friend just told me this weekend that his dad called him the other day to tell him about an employee that had called him. His dad works for their companies help desk. The employee was calling because she was having problems creating a shortcut to a floppy disk. The disk in question was in the file cabinet by her desk in a file folder. She believed that she could leave it in said file folder and still create a shortcut to it so she could access the disk without having to insert it into the machine. I'm sure that was fun to explain to her that 3.5" floppies are not a wireless device that can be accessed remotely in that way.

    1. Re:Recent Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A recent story involving a floppy disk? Seriously?
      Try harder next time.

  43. Supporting executives, supporting PHd's by Paracelcus · · Score: 1

    Supporting executives, supporting PhD’s.

    Everyplace I worked there was a designated “fall guy” to service the spoiled, self-important primadonnas in pinstriped suits and lab coats, You had to pretend that their incompetence and buffoonery did not exist, while somehow correcting the damage they did and explaining how to push the on switch on the power unit that the computer sat on. Whomever got the “honor” of this position usually got fired within the month!

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  44. One word ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ghey

  45. More remote access dangers by mcavic · · Score: 2

    I was at the office once, logged onto a production server via Remote Desktop. The boss needed to borrow the workstation I was using, so I just minimized the connection and let him have the computer. 10 minutes later he was still banging away, and it was time for me to leave, so I just left.

    The next morning I got a call that the production server had gone down. Well, the owner of the workstation came in and didn't recognize the icons on her screen, so as the normal first step in troubleshooting, she rebooted.

  46. WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was worthy of a 'news article'?

  47. Bleh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In an extremely ironic turn of events, I just wrote a multiple page story about my funny experience, then hit BACK on my mouse and lost it.

    TLDR: Asian lady in manufacturing plant calls me at helpdesk to tell me that her "harddrive is gone". Several minute conversation ensues where I positively determine that somehow someone has stolen the harddrive from her computer ("The harddrive is GONE?!?" "Yes, it was here yesterday, now today, no HARDDRIVE!"). Eventually go to replace unit with spare, after hours of rushed configuration and a $2000 consultant visit, find out that she had lost her "R:\" drive mapping.

    She lost her R drive.

  48. my turn for a funny story. by BitwiseX · · Score: 3, Funny

    Years ago I worked at small ISP, doing some web design, as well as phone support. Needless to say the phone support took up a majority of my time, and there were some fun conversations. Here's my favorite of all time:

    An older lady called me one day extremely apologetic. She kept lamenting to me how sorry she was and how bad she felt, and keep asking me if all of my other customers were calling and complaining. It was her fault! She was adamant about that. Finally as she calmed down a bit, and I asked her why she was so upset. "I think I broke the Internet". I looked at my boss, who had wandered to my desk, (he could hear her frantic apologies through my headset), and I gave him a Spock-like eyebrow raise, covered my mic, and told him "She broke the internet." He chuckled, said "Have fun!" and went back to his desk.

    So I explained to her that the Internet wasn't broke, and how it was highly unlikely that she could have broken the internet, so don't worry. She was fairly calm at this point, so I asked her "Ma'am, so what made you so concerned that you called me? What happened?" Her response was: "Well, I had an icon on my screen that said 'The Internet', and I think I accidentally deleted it. I thought I deleted the whole Internet!"

    Poor lady. Remember when the IE icon actually said "The Internet"? You couldn't delete it either (not without some IT knowledge she didn't possess). So I walked her through auto-arranging her desktop icons and POOF there it was. She must have moved it off screen.

    It's a tough job, but I do miss feeling like a hero.

  49. Silliest thing I ever managed by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

    Silliest thing I ever managed was to plug a flight controller into an ethernet AUI port. The magic smoke started to come out and everything.

    --
    Vintage computer games and RPG books available. Email me if you're interested.
  50. Re:Why is dealing with IT like dealing with retard by triffid_98 · · Score: 1

    Can any of you strip and repair a transmission from a tractor? Can you even explain how it works?

    Why yes I can sir. I could probably do a decent job sewing you up if I needed too too, although in most cases superglue will do the trick, and weld, and frame/roof a house, and quite a lot of other things. Are those my specialties? No. Can I do them? Yes.

    ...More importantly, while I may ask questions I'm not about to contradict a professional mechanic or surgeon like these idiots are doing.

  51. Re:Why is dealing with IT like dealing with retard by Dan+Dankleton · · Score: 1

    Do you think that doctors don't have "dumb patient" stories? That mechanics don't have "dumb owner" stories? That economists don't sit and laugh about how idiots don't understand the difference between commodities and bonds?

    Really?

  52. Re:Why is dealing with IT like dealing with retard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do not perform surgery for 8 hours a day for my work. I do not work on a tractor for 8 hours a day for my work. It is therefore forgivable that I cannot perform heart surgery or fieldstrip a tractor's transmission.

    However, these people spend 8 hours a day on their computers, at work, and then go home and spend another 2 hours on their computers trying to facebook -- and they don't know the first thing about how to computer.

    IT specialists don't expect people to be able to compile their own Linux kernels or manually recode x86 printer drivers for 64-bit operating systems, but they do expect people to be able to know what a start menu is and how to rightclick an icon.

  53. Mod parent "+5 Troll" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is either an awesomely-crafted troll or an incredibly-naive post from someone who has never had to provide support.

    Perhaps we should have a "Best of Slashdot" to showcase these kinds of provocative, "Intentionally Trolling or Not?" posts so they aren't missed by the masses. Of course, that would create a perverse incentive to create poignant trolls. However, such posts would tend to accumulate interesting & insightful counterpoints as demonstrated in this instance... so, mission accomplished?

  54. Re:Why is dealing with IT like dealing with retard by orlanz · · Score: 1

    IT support is NOT like other support. I am sure the others have their funny stories (ie: "Doc, my arm hurts real bad...") but not like IT. I have done basic electronic, mechanical, PC, and other assistance for family & friends. Given multiple trainings & classes. And currently part of my job is to kind of run a help desk support for cellphones. I would say ~5% of our user base falls into the below, and they take up >50% of our time.

    Reality is, the majority of the customers never call the helpdesk. But some of those who do... would be the equivalent to a person who couldn't figure out how to open their car door and they are now pissed they are late to a meeting. I kid you NOT. And they want a bill to reflect what the fix was, NOT the time or resources it took to give them that. A good majority of the rest is simple, but dumb questions. Questions which are covered by a common FAQ. These two groups, no matter how good natured a tech is will eventually wear him down. That is the problem with IT Support.

    My group does cellphone support (billing, & ordering) for 20k employees, but we don't support email on the smartphones. Those users are assumed to be smart enough to setup their own ActiveSync accounts and we tell them repeatedly that we don't support (read: get paid for) email setup. It is assumed that the managers will determine who is 'smart' enough to utilize the devices. We provided them picture friendly instructions, and FAQs. Here are some of the questions we get on a weekly basis:

    1) How do you install iTunes on my iPhone (not on their PC/Mac)?
    2) Why didn't this phone come setup with email?
    3) The password is case-sensitive on my Droid too?
    4) Do you know my unlock PIN?
    5) Could someone come install Flash on my iPhone?
    6) I got a new Blackberry, but my email isn't on it like my old one.
    7) Why does my Droid keep prompting that my Exchange password is incorrect (email password changed by user on laptop)?
    8) I approved that order yesterday, but I need you to ship it to ..... (this is after he got the Fedex shipping notification).

    The above are simple ones. Where it didn't take us minutes to an hour of back and forth questions to realize the user mistake. It wears down on you. I wouldn't give some of these users beepers, let alone smartphones. The problem is that there are honest real issues that do need support and these guys just take up pointless time away from them. And it is NOT an age thing. People fresh out of college to tenured seniors make up this group. We aren't that expensive, but they all get mad that a simple "Yes" response still costs them 10 minutes of a tech's time.

  55. Funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "'Working in tech support is a bit like teaching preschool: You're an educator who provides reassurance in troubling times. You share knowledge and help others overcome their obstacles. And some days, it feels like all you hear is screaming, crying, and incoherent babble.' "

    For people who aren't morons, that is frequently the same experience when *calling* tech support.

  56. Another call of shame... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These all seem trite and contrived. I call bullshit.

  57. Who remembers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello, my name is Steven Thrasher and I sent in my Canon laptop to be repaired ...

  58. Japanese web forms do this by amake · · Score: 1

    Possibly the *only* thing that Japanese web services do better than US ones is offering ZIP code-based lookups for pre-filling as much of the address as possible. I suspect that the following factors have helped make this a nearly ubiquitous feature:

    1. Addresses in Japanese start "general" and move toward "specific", e.g. ZIP > Prefecture > city > neighborhood > building. US addresses follow the opposite scheme.

    2. The Japanese post office supplies relevant ZIP code data for free. I don't think they offer paid lookup services so you have to roll your own, but it's fairly trivial.

    3. Japanese address input can be more cumbersome than other languages. If your address includes uncommon characters then it can be a pain to input them.

    4. Japanese web users are (I feel) less savvy and need more hand-holding.

    1. Re:Japanese web forms do this by EnglishDude · · Score: 1

      In the UK postcodes cover a small range of houses - my postcode only covers 25 houses, so nearly every web form in the UK, you enter the postcode first, then the webpage shows a list of house numbers or names it identified from the PAF (Postcode Address File) for you to select. Taking my own postcode example, the house numbers covered by my postcode are 310-350 (even only) so it shows a list of 310-350 (even only) and I select my house number and then the page autofills everything else. The PAF isn't 100% accurate so web pages always offer the option of editing addresses.

      What's annoying though is that postal counties has been abolished by Royal Mail over a decade ago, internally Royal Mail never ever use this aspect of the address - only the postcode and city (I know this because I work for them), yet a large number of website insists on you entering the postal county and pops an error if you ignore this. I don't even know my postal county as the PAF never contains this info for any address so I just make them up.

    2. Re:Japanese web forms do this by ewok85 · · Score: 1

      You are close. Japanese postal codes are made up of 7 numbers (000-0000) which allows for lots of variation. From this number alone you can lookup the prefecture and city/town name without fail. In most areas also the district name and street block number is also available, and there are even cases where large buildings have their own postal code.

      It is fairly trivial to lookup addresses and populate fields based on the post code, since they are very specific. It would be of limited use in my home country of Australia, as only the state and suburb fields would be populated, and even then maybe not correctly.

  59. On location for forgotten username by dbIII · · Score: 1

    I had to do a 3/4 hour drive a couple of times for a person that had forgotten how she had logged on to her computer every morning for the last few years (with her full name as the username). However the real problem is her supervisor would not let me talk to her directly each time but instead just angrily insisted "her computer's broken and I've sent her downstairs so she can do some work".

  60. Memory problem by aapold · · Score: 2

    My favorite call began thus:

    "I have a memory problem but can't remember what it is."

    (user had seen a message regarding memory but couldn't recall the exact text, and was hoping to convey this.).

    --
    "Waste not one watt!" - CZ
  61. Virus in Phone Line by WoodburyMan · · Score: 1

    I work at a small local workbench and have seen many of the issues above. (Customers ranting on how smoke is caused by a software problem, or that the screen on a laptop not working has nothing to do with the giant fist mark on the screen, hell even customers coming in saying their new laptop shut off and wont turn back on, who thought she didn't need to plug it in and charge it because it was "wireless"). The best story that comes to line is a guy we call "Phone Line Virus Guy" who we have dealt with on and off for over four years. Approx 40 year old guy, so not some 70-80+ year old who's inept to technology. Originally, he called our store 4 times in one week, somehow getting a different person each time and taking up 10-15 minutes of our time each time he called asking how to remove a virus in his phone line. He was stating how he would sign on AOL and this person IM's him and emails him saying things he said in phone conversations. He was told they put a virus in his phone line. Try as I might none of us could convince him that if he had any virus it's not in the phone line but on the computer, and even then it sounds more like a prank. APPARENTLY he had even gone to the length of getting a new computer, and even having AT&T replace the phone wiring in his house. After being rude and criticizing us for not telling him how to get rid of the phone line virus over the phone for free, we would have no choice but to politely hang up on the man. End of the week one of us exchanged the story of our phone call and it was revealed that he talked to every person working at our store all different days of the week. Later that week when talking with several other customers who offer their own computer repair services, we find out that he had called them as well. So about a year later, same exact thing happens. He calls us every day for a week, except after the second call we write his number from caller-id down and then dont answer. However on the first call after we told him to go to the Police over this if he thinks he's being spied on... he responded "They won't answer my calls anymore". Fast forward to a few months ago. He then physically comes to our store. This time he has a Android based phone, and is insisting that he has a virus on it, because now the "hackers" are not only listening to his phone conversations (and emailing and harassing him about them online) but they are also tracking his location and saying and talking about places he has been. After spending over 20 minutes of valuable time trying to explain to him that what he's saying is impossible yet again, we had to walk away from him and tell him there's nothing we could do to help him.

    1. Re:Virus in Phone Line by cusco · · Score: 1

      Once had a user tell me something similar, but it turned out to be the woman in the next cubicle (her supposed best friend) messing with her head. She had originally sent an IM from her husband's account as an April Fools Day joke, but was having so much fun that she didn't stop. When we figured out what was happening HR had a chat with her about harassment and misuse of company property and the problem went away.

      --
      "Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
  62. The NOC help desk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Help desk?? it was more like trying to help the help less. I had to work with persons that did not know the diff. between a PC or a DSL modem or a router. talk about leading the.....

  63. Re:NEW! Anti-Virus USB Cable! by fuzzywig · · Score: 1

    A USB cable won't work, but it will fit, as one of my users managed to show me.
    It did actually take me a minute or two to to work out why the USB device wasn't showing up, because it was a nice snug fit.
    Mind you, the one that depresses me is the people who will type a single capital letter by pressing Caps Lock, typing one letter, then turning Caps off, rather than just holding down the shift key. Well, that and using the mouse to select the next dialogue, rather than TAB, although that's a user education thing.