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Best Buy Scans Drivers License For Returns — No More Allowed For 90 Days

rullywowr writes "A customer with a defective Blu-Ray disc returns to the Best Buy store where he purchased it. After having his driver's license scanned into the system, he is now banned from returning/exchanging goods for 90 days. This is becoming one of the latest practices big-box stores are using to limit fraud and abuse of the return system — for example, the people who buy a giant TV before the big game and then return it on Monday. Opponents feel this return-limiting concept has this gone too far, including the harvesting of your personal data."

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  1. When people abuse prices go up by CoderExpert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's quite obvious that people are abusing the system and that results in increased prices for everyone. As someone who doesn't abuse that, I welcome the move so we honest people get things cheaper. Screw those who ruin things for everyone else.

    1. Re:When people abuse prices go up by Soporific · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can see this as a good thing if it's for similar or big ticket items, but a bad thing if it's for DVD's, etc. -DNRTFA

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    2. Re:When people abuse prices go up by Ferzerp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You assume that the store has the right to refuse a return if you refuse to provide this information or if you're a frequent shopper that has more than one purchase of faulty goods. The agreement with the store is to exchange your money for a working product. If the product doesn't work, and the store refuses to refund or exchange it, they may have issues.

      They may have a leg to stand on if it were refunds only, but the summary specifically includes exchanges in to this mix.

    3. Re:When people abuse prices go up by kidgenius · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And do you have a copy of your receipt that shows that the store and you made the agreement to which you refer? No? Then too bad. Otherwise, they don't need your info, and they aren't saying they need it. For instance, Target only uses your DL when you don't have receipts.

    4. Re:When people abuse prices go up by Githaron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's quite obvious that people are abusing the system and that results in increased prices for everyone. As someone who doesn't abuse that, I welcome the move so we honest people get things cheaper. Screw those who ruin things for everyone else.

      The policy is unnecessarily invasive and it will easily hurt legitimate customers. While it might be rare, it is completely possible that a legitimate customer will purchase at least two items in a 90 day window and more than one of them ends up being defective.

      They need to find a better way to prevent fraud.

    5. Re:When people abuse prices go up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So if your second TV is also defective, you can't return it because this 90 day delay outlasts the defective product return time.

      There are situations where this is a bad idea, but I have nothing against trying to crack down on the 'free rental' or 'free replacement' scams that drive up prices for honest buyers. The proeblem is, I don't know if there is any solution that won't have a greater detrimental effect on honest buyers than on scammers. Repeat scammers should be relatively easy to recognize in some data mining, so you can give them restricted return rights, maybe that would be the best way to handle it.

      I'm also curious just how much product is stolen through swapped return scams, I've heard it discussed, but nothing resembling an official dollar value.

    6. Re:When people abuse prices go up by magarity · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As someone who doesn't abuse that, I welcome the move so we honest people get things cheaper

      Are you someone who might honestly need to return two items at two different times in the course of three months?

      A number of less draconian methods come to mind: A) restocking fee for opened items that are not defective. B) Issuing a second (...nth) refund via check mailed from the refund processing center in Mongolia.

      But returns are only allowed for 30 days, so buy a second item within 59 days of your first return and you're stuck with it and that sounds rather nasty for a business in the US. Of course, it's all relative. I lived a couple of years in China and once purchased there, it's yours. Nobody takes returns in the first place.

    7. Re:When people abuse prices go up by Dahamma · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, stores aren't required to take returns - if an item is defective it's the manufacturer's responsibility to honor the warranty. Stores take the returns because if some do and some don't, unless there are other significant reasons to prefer the ones that don't no one will bother shopping there (which hopefully happens to Best Buy after this crap).

      What they don't have the right to do is state a return policy and then change the policy on you after you buy something. It's not very clear if that's what happened or not, though...

    8. Re:When people abuse prices go up by cpu6502 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well said.

      If the item is genuinely defective, stores have credit card agreements that REQUIRE them to accept the item for return or exchange. No exceptions.

      Even if the store still refuses, you can just mail the item back to the store, use delivery confirmation, and then provide the DC number to your credit card. You will get refunded the money. And the store will lose the money regardless of any 90 day or 3-strike policy.

      BTW this is why I like amazon and ebay/paypal - no hassles. Though I've received a lot of junk over the years from dishonest sellers, so far I've not lost any money (except for return postage). Just recently I bought a used Wii that was never delivered and amazon gave me a $105 gift card only two days later. I already spent that cash on another item (kindle w/ web browser).

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    9. Re:When people abuse prices go up by mcavic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The store may not have to take a return, but then I can go to my news station and report my experience with the store. Honoring the return would be cheaper than negative publicity.

      It's true that the manufacturer is responsible for their products. But then again, I'm not doing business with the manufacturer. I'm doing business with the store.

    10. Re:When people abuse prices go up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The guy did A LOT OF RETURN ACTIVITY:

      Peel said he had several returns after Christmas, then a few other returns and exchanges — all with a receipt. That, apparently, was enough to put him on The Retail Equation's most-wanted list and Best Buy's no-returns-or-exchanges-for-90-days list.

      The Retail Equation says its consumer profiles use frequency of returns, dollar amounts, whether a return-receipt was involved and purchase history. It does not use information on age, race, gender, nationality, marital status or whether the consumer is a Yankees or Red Sox fan.

    11. Re:When people abuse prices go up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      That depends on the jurisdiction. My province has consumer laws that specifically require goods be sold in merchantable quality, and that defects be corrected by the seller within X days. If I buy a defective TV from Best Buy, they are 100% responsible for correcting the situation. This may be an exchange though, IIRC supporting refunds isn't mandatory.

    12. Re:When people abuse prices go up by AnttiV · · Score: 3, Informative

      That is probably wildly different from location to location. For example, here in Finland, any store is required by the law to handle any returns/warranty. The store you bought the product from is required and responsible for all exchanges and repairs the product in question needs while under warranty, to the extent that it shall not cost anything to the customer.

    13. Re:When people abuse prices go up by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, stores aren't required to take returns...

      At least in California, that's not true. Under sections 1792-1795.8 of California Civil Code, unless the seller explicitly disclaims a warranty by attaching something to the product itself that explicitly states that the product is being sold as-is with no warranty. Otherwise, as a general rule, the seller must accept the product back for a minimum of 30 days, by law.

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    14. Re:When people abuse prices go up by countach · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't know where you live and what the law is there, but I think this is a fable that stores would like you to think. Imagine if you had to research what little manufacturer in western China made the widget you bought, and you had to contact them to get your widget fixed. Nope, that's not what the law says.

    15. Re:When people abuse prices go up by badpool · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm not sure what you're saying. At least for me, shipping an item back is much less convenient than driving to the store.

    16. Re:When people abuse prices go up by Galestar · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, stores aren't required to take returns

      Not according to the laws where I live - any probably any contract law where you live. Buying a product from a merchant is a contract, and said contract includes an implicit understanding that the product is of merchantable quality. If the product is defective, the contract is void and the price you paid for it must be returned.

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    17. Re:When people abuse prices go up by slack_justyb · · Score: 4, Informative

      but a bad thing if it's for DVD's

      I think the problem is that people forget consumer protection laws. If something does not work out of box it fails merchantability (see UCC Article 2 subsection 2-314 paragraph 2 for a clearer picture.)

      DVDs can and do have manufactoring flaws, I reject the notion that exercising the right to merchantability requires the party to enter into agreements with third party services. I can see where this kind of monitoring service would be great for items that are still in working condition, but if it is broke, the person who sold it to you, unless stated "as-is", has the implied duty to repair and if it cannot be repaired, replace the item in question.

      Consumers should reject this whole notion on bad-out-of-box items, especially Blu-Rays and DVDs.

    18. Re:When people abuse prices go up by pla · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, stores aren't required to take returns - if an item is defective it's the manufacturer's responsibility to honor the warranty.

      Most US states have non-disclaimable "warrant of merchantability" laws for anything represented as "new" - Which means, in summary, that the store guarantees that they have sold you new, fully-functional merchandise. So yes, they have to take it back, end of story.

      That said, good luck getting that enforced this without paying more in court costs than most consumer goods.

    19. Re:When people abuse prices go up by Flammon · · Score: 3, Informative

      And they keep on paying themselves millions. I don't know what Brian Dunn was paid but I'm sure it was close to his predecessor.

      Bradbury "Brad" Anderson (born 1949) is the former CEO and Vice Chairman of consumer electronics retailer Best Buy. He retired on 6/22/11 and was replaced by Brian J. Dunn.[1] In fiscal 2006, he earned a salary of $1,164,283 and a bonus of $2,692,250. His annual compensation for fiscal year 2007 was $5.6 million, including $1,172,995 in salary, plus $2,650,969 in incentive-plan compensation.[2] In 2008, Anderson earned $49.3 million in total compensation, $1,172,995 in salary, $1,994,092 in incentive-plan compensation, stock awards of $413,635 and no option awards, and $46.08 million in value from exercising 1.05 million stock options.[3]

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Anderson_(executive)

    20. Re:When people abuse prices go up by InvisiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      And do you have a copy of your receipt that shows that the store and you made the agreement to which you refer? No? Then too bad. Otherwise, they don't need your info, and they aren't saying they need it. For instance, Target only uses your DL when you don't have receipts.

      Except that they are indeed saying that. Return & Exchange Policy

      1. Include all original packing materials, manuals and accessories
      2. Bring your receipt or packing slip and a valid photo ID.

      When you return or exchange an item in store, we require a valid photo ID.

    21. Re:When people abuse prices go up by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Informative

      In Oregon they can't refuse a return for 14 days, 30 for defects.

    22. Re:When people abuse prices go up by Keith+Mickunas · · Score: 4, Informative

      Amazon provides you a return label. You seal up the box, put on the label, drop it at a UPS Store or some other such place. No lines, less fuss.

      Granted for me there's a UPS Store on my way to work, so it's easier than most other stores, but even if that wasn't the case, the lack of waiting in line is a plus. Particularly at Fry's, where every return has to be approved by multiple people, and sometimes you have to take a form back to the register to get your actual money or credit back. While Fry's is good about taking just about anything back for any reason, the process is a nuisance.

    23. Re:When people abuse prices go up by Matheus · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm glad AC's comment got modded into visibility. He's apparently the only one who RTFA. This is not an across the board policy for all purchased merchandise. This is a "probation" of sorts that people who fail the analytics get put into to reduce at least the frequency of fraud.

      As stated in the article they accept over 99% of all returns. Only people who show a pattern of potentially illegitimate returns get put on this limitation.

      A lot of people are crying foul for a variety of reasons... maybe this isn't the best method but it's about all they have and they are literally losing Billions to a pretty damn widespread abuse of their extremely friendly return policy... so give them a little credit for trying. Other policies such as well advertised prohibitions on returning Big Screen TVs around super bowl time have been in place for years. (Yes sir... you can purchase a TV right now but we're just saying that we will charge you an automatic restocking fee if you return it no matter the condition or reason.) those methods were not sufficient.

      Best Buy has a lot of problems to fix not the least of which is the decimation of their business model by internet retailers. That being said there are a lot of people who are going to legitimately miss them if they do go out of business. (There goes your free "demo room" and "rental shop" or just place I can grab something that I need "right now" not shipping time.) Something to consider in the midst of all this Best Buy bashing.

    24. Re:When people abuse prices go up by bvimo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      >Bring your receipt or packing slip and a valid photo ID.
      How is that requirement interpreted?

      Bring your (receipt OR packing slip) AND (a valid photo ID).
      or
      Bring your (receipt) OR (packing slip AND a valid photo ID).

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    25. Re:When people abuse prices go up by uncqual · · Score: 4, Interesting

      While Fry's is good about taking just about anything back for any reason, the process is a nuisance.

      Although always read the return policy carefully. Unfortunately the guy in front of me a couple years ago apparently hadn't done so before "renting" a portable air conditioner from Fry's for a couple days during a heat wave. He wasn't at all happy when Fry's refused to take it back.

      As a customer who doesn't do such things, I was happy to see them enforce their policy as every time a customer "rents" via buy/return, it raises prices for everyone else. (I think they would have exchanged it if it was defective which seems fair enough).

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    26. Re:When people abuse prices go up by kagaku · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm sorry, but this is abuse. I wish there was an easy way to try before you buy on many products (there isn't), and I understand the logic behind what you're doing - but it's still abuse of the returns system that many stores have in place. You're buying an item at full price, trying it out and returning it. Great, but even if you return it with all parts and in like-new condition the store cannot sell it as new any longer. They'll either need to send it back to the manufacturer or resell it as an open box item (I see Best Buy do this all the time). Sure, you bought another headset from them - but the $50 headset you bought and returned can now only be sold open box for $30.

      People really wonder why stores are getting more strict on returns?

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    27. Re:When people abuse prices go up by Xeno+man · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually they don't say. "send to us for replacement", they say, "call us for support." Do you know why they do that? The reason is because most of the there is nothing wrong with the product. People can't be bothered to read set up guides or manuals and just figure that it must be broken. People expect to open a box and start using something not realizing that there may be some packing tape or plastic over a battery terminal that need to be removed.

      A phone call to the company that MAKES THE PRODUCT will give people more information than some sales guy that only maybe know a little about every product. Maybe the sales guys favors another brand and his fix is to return the device and sell another brand that he does know. Calling the manufacture helps keep the sale instead of loosing it.

    28. Re:When people abuse prices go up by bmo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      and they are literally losing Billions to a pretty damn widespread abuse of their extremely friendly return policy

      Citation needed. Citation needed to prove that bad management practices are not the real cause of the 1.7 billion dollar loss.

      That being said there are a lot of people who are going to legitimately miss them if they do go out of business

      They earned the epithet "Worst Buy" through customer abuse and stupid sales practices. So much of what has happened is self inflicted. Do you remember when they fired all their knowledgeable long-term floor sales staff because they were "too expensive?" Go ahead, walk into any Best Buy and try to find a sales clerk that actually knows what he/she is selling and isn't trying to be a bullshit artist. They are few and far between.

      Return customers (not customers that return things) are a business' bread and butter. Best Buy went on the "quick cash now" binge to "satisfy investors" while ignoring the long term implications of pissing off the customers. Sure, people are using online retailers. They wouldn't if the brick&mortar service didn't outright suck.

      There are electronics retailers that don't suck. One is MicroCenter. You can walk in, talk to knowledgeable sales people, get what you want for a decent price (sometimes cheaper than Newegg), and not hard sold on hundred-dollar HDMI cables and extended warrantees. And I find myself continuing to go back there. Repeatedly.

      Best Buy *can* turn the ship around, but they have to abandon the practices that got them to this point to do so. Most businesses in this situation can't or won't because few in upper management are willing to accept the fact they fucked up.

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    29. Re:When people abuse prices go up by TheRealGrogan · · Score: 5, Informative

      Most of the manufacturers that sell to big box retailers take the returns back from the retailers no questions asked, too. It's just the price of doing business with big retailers. It works out in the wash.

      I first learned this when I was younger... I had a job at a factory owned by a popular carpet cleaner/vacuum/sweeper manufacturer. My job was to manage the returns from Canadian retailers. At first I was doing what I thought was right. They entrusted me to do a job. I had places on the forms I was given to reject the returns, and give a reason. Most of the time the units were just used and jam packed full of dirt, and the reason for the return was "doesn't work". Obviously, it did work. Anyway, the head office got on my ass (yes, the suit talked to me himself on the phone) and basically I wasn't reeaaallly supposed to do that unless they were just some joe blow appliance store. When it was a big retailer I was to just process the returns no questions asked and salvage what I could. Once I received them, they were mine to deal with... clean them up for sale as "seconds" or "reconditioned" or keep any useful parts. It was a big "whatever" to the company.

      These big box retailers have a lot of clout and get treated differently than smaller stores. They don't need to give people a hard time about returns.

    30. Re:When people abuse prices go up by Mitreya · · Score: 3, Informative

      Except that they are indeed saying that.

      People should know and defend their rights!!
      Everyone (utility providers, eye doctor, dentists, etc) will ask you for a social security number by default. NONE of them are entitled to it and will suck it up if you refuse.
      BestBuy may be mandating a drivers license copy for returns, but they have no right for that. And there is always a credit card chargeback if they think they are above the consumer protection laws.
      Of course if you don't have your receipt, they may at least be legitimately able to refuse return...

    31. Re:When people abuse prices go up by Dahamma · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I meant to post the link as well, doh. From the CA Attorney General's office (is that official enough? ;)

      http://oag.ca.gov/consumers/general/refund_policies

      Consumers have come to expect stores or catalog companies to offer a refund, credit or exchange when they return items. Sellers are not required by law to accept returned items unless they are defective. However, California law requires that retailers who have a policy of not providing a cash refund, credit or exchange when an item is returned with proof of purchase within 7 days of purchase must inform consumers about their refund policies by conspicuously placing a written notice about their policies, in language that consumers can understand, so that it can be easily seen and read.

      As I said in the other comment, it doesn't have to be as-is (which is a separate statue) - as long as it's not defective when purchased they don't have to take it back...

    32. Re:When people abuse prices go up by hey! · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I dunno. That doesn't sound like a lot of return activity, especially if it includes Christmas returns. What's he supposed to do with a three or four blu-ray disks he already owns? Also, it hardly makes sense to penalize someone for returning defective merchandise. And Retail Equation *clearly* takes into account returns of defective merchandise in labeling your customers as dishonest. What legitimate purpose could that serve?

      This sounds like one of those cases where managers are suckers for snake oil based on their wishful thinking and innumeracy. Retail Equation promises its magic software will identify people likely to engage in fraudulent returns in the future. It fingers a bunch of customers, and management is delighted; they said they'd finger crooks and by golly they did! The question is: where is the proof that those people will commit the future offense? Or that they've committed any past offenses.

      Suppose a vendor claims he can finger crooked customers with 99.9% accuracy. And suppose Best Buy has a million honest customers over the course of the year. That means one thousand people get incorrectly branded as dishonest. It'd be find if Best Buy refused to sell stuff to those customers, but it *doesn't do that*. It is happy to sell merchandise to those customers, but if the merchandise is defective it refuses to give the customer his money back. In that case the character of the customer has nothing to do with the transaction; he has a just claim to get his money back even if he is a crook.

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    33. Re:When people abuse prices go up by Jiro · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What if the people at the store don't understand the customer's complaint about the item?

      I once returned a CD/MP3 player (back when people still used such things instead of digital MP3 players) to Fry's because resuming an MP3 at greater than 256 seconds would resume it at (time mod 256). Anyone with even the slightest bit of computer training should have been able to figure out that the firmware was saving only one byte of resume data and that therefore every one of that model on the shelf would have the same problem. The customer service droids did not comprehend this and made me exchange it with another one anyway, which I had to then return (I did get a refund then).

      If that had been Best Buy, I'd have been out a restocking fee. And I can think of lots of other cases. (I've never tried asking a customer service droid which HDTVs accept 240P signals and therefore can show Playstation 1 games. But I doubt that if I returned a TV for being unable to do this they would do anything but hook it up to the store TV feed and say "see, it works fine".)

    34. Re:When people abuse prices go up by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Funny

      Do you remember when they fired all their knowledgeable long-term floor sales staff because they were "too expensive?"

      That was Circuit City not BBY. BBY never had that problem in the first place because they never really paid senior staff much of a premium to begin with and consequently they've pretty much always sucked.

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    35. Re:When people abuse prices go up by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would have asked them why they are re-stocking a broken T.V.

    36. Re:When people abuse prices go up by no_such_user · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's high time that USA also gets "All sales are final" rules, like most of the world. Having people return fully working items that then have to be sold cheap drives up prices for all of us who don't play that game.

      Liberal return policies make customers more likely to buy items due to the perceived safety net of said policy, resulting in greater sales, driving down prices for all of us. Plus, restocking fees exist expressly to discourage those who "borrow" items. The only time ID should be requested is when the customer cannot present a receipt.

    37. Re:When people abuse prices go up by NetNed · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What do you mean? The majority of stores are now re-taping products, certainly the bigger box items, and trying to float them off on unknowing consumers. And it's been going on AWHILE. You can tell when a person has re-taped a product because new items from the factory that are taped by machines are taped smooth with no bubbles, wrinkles or creases and will be perfect down the middle.

      I found this out from a circuit city that sold me broken speakers. I realized the tape was wrinkled and put on by a person. Upon trying to return they argued that it was new, then brought out another person taped box that I refused to take. Taking the speaker to another location (with apparently a more honest work force) reviled the speakers were listed as "in service" in the computer system, meaning they were supposed to be sent back. Did I pay less for the original speaker? No, they tried to pass off a defective one on me and I have seen this again and again from other retailers since. That's the reason they want all the manuals and equipment back with it. So they can try and pass it off to some other sap that will accept the broken product and either live with it or pay to have it fixed.

      It's unbelievable some times how a sales person will argue that something if just "taped that way at the factory" when I ask for a different unit that doesn't have wrinkled tape. Most times when they have a retaped unit, that is the one they will try to pass off first.

    38. Re:When people abuse prices go up by rolfwind · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What if the people at the store don't understand the customer's complaint about the item?

      I once returned a CD/MP3 player (back when people still used such things instead of digital MP3 players) to Fry's because resuming an MP3 at greater than 256 seconds would resume it at (time mod 256). Anyone with even the slightest bit of computer training should have been able to figure out that the firmware was saving only one byte of resume data and that therefore every one of that model on the shelf would have the same problem. The customer service droids did not comprehend this and made me exchange it with another one anyway, which I had to then return (I did get a refund then).

      You explain to them, in English: "This item doesn't seem to work correctly. When I pause any song a little longer than 4 minutes and start it back up again, it starts at a seemingly random place." Then demonstrate it to them.

      If they insist on an exchange, insist that the new unit doesn't have this flaw as it's unacceptable. If need be, try it in the store and most of them will realize it's better to give back the money than to keep opening new packages. Never go into geek speak with muggles if you want them to understand you.

  2. They're on their way out anyways by rmac1813 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ..just another reason to go to Frys. Until they cross the line .

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  3. License scan? by smittyoneeach · · Score: 5, Funny

    License scan?
    Listen, man:
    Call Holder, and
    Say it's voting, man.
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    1. Re:License scan? by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Obviously, returning Blu Rays is more dangerous than casting a fake vote.

    2. Re:License scan? by Ranger96 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Way more people abusing return policies than casting fake votes in person.

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  4. Well gee.. by Tridus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This kind of anti-customer behavior couldn't possibly have anything to do with Best Buy crashing and burning, could it?

    Nah. I'm sure the MBAs must have thought the policy through carefully.

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  5. Best Buy fails again by Golgafrinchan · · Score: 5, Insightful
    With all the problems Best Buy has been having recently, it's hard to believe that they think this will solve anything.

    A customer who knows they can't return a defective item at Best Buy will simply go shopping somewhere else like Walmart, Target, or Amazon, who have more lenient return policies and/or are just more customer-friendly altogether.

    I don't expect this particular decision will hurt too much, but with these kinds of stupid decisions Best Buy will be out of business within 5 years.

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  6. This only affects people flagged as abusive by Megor1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you read the article it says that only people who have a history that indicates possible return abuse are given this type of ban. The service works across multiple stores to find people who use retail stores like free rental places. The article fails to mention what else the guy had been doing. If he has a history of buying and returning items then I see no problem with them cutting him off from abusing their store.

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  7. Re:How is this legal? by rgbrenner · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is it illegal to have an "all sales final" policy? Generally, NO... there are many stores with such a policy... including stores going out of business

  8. Re:fraud by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it's defective or was misrepresented on the package or by the store, then yes. If you decided you just didn't want it after all then they should have no obligation to take it back.

  9. Gratuitous Python Reference by Picass0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Customer: Look! I came here to make a return.
    Best Buy: Oh! I'm sorry, this is abuse.
    Customer: Oh I see, that explains it.
    Best Buy: No, you want room 12A next door.
    Customer: I see - sorry.
    Best Buy: Not at all. Stupid git.

  10. It sucks for the honest people by crazyjj · · Score: 4, Interesting

    for example, the people who buy a giant TV before the big game and then return it on Monday.

    I used to have a roommate that would pull shit like that all the time. He treated stores like his free rental services. It really pissed me off, not just because it was dishonest (and that was bad enough), but also because I always knew it would come back on the rest of us who DIDN'T do that--either with higher prices or stricter return policies. It sucks that the decent always end up paying the price for the pricks out there. But it seems almost a given that there are always bad apples looking to spoil the barrel for everyone.

    BTW, my roomate's favorite target was Walmart. They had a very liberal return policy. But eventually they caught on to him. One day he went to return something and they called the manager out, who told him that this would not only be his last return, but also his last visit to the store. He then had the audacity to come back home bitching about how it was this grave injustice (as if I hadn't noticed him repeatedly scamming them). What a guy.

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  11. Legality? by alaffin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Easy solution - don't buy product from there for 90 days.

    In all seriousness - how is this even legal? I know in Canada any goods sold must be of merchantable quality - which means they must work. If they are defective than the sale is void and the merchant must take them back. Even if I've returned another product within the last 90 days. Is there some kind of American consumer protection loophole they're exploiting here or do the laws not protect consumers at all south of the border?

  12. Re:How is this legal? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A lot of people seem to operate under an ethic of "whatever I can get away with".

    Yes, that seems to be Best Buy's position...

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  13. Returns policy by hawguy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's the returns policy found on their website:

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Help-Topics/Returning-Online-Purchases/pcmcat260800050014.c?id=pcmcat260800050014

    Returns Tracking
    When you return or exchange an item in store, we require a valid photo ID. Some of the information from your ID may be stored in a secure database used to track returns and exchanges. Based on return/exchange patterns, some customers will be warned that subsequent purchases will not be eligible for returns or exchanges for 90 days. Customers who are warned or have been denied an exchange/return may request a copy of their Return Activity Report by calling 1-800-652-2331 or by mail at P.O. Box 51373, Irvine, CA 92619-1373. Please be prepared to provide your transaction ID, ID number, full name, address and phone number.

    Valid forms of ID accepted are: US, Canadian or Mexican Driver's License, US State ID, Canadian Province ID, Matricula Consular, US Military ID, Passport, US Laser Visa, or US Permanent Resident Card.

    It sounds like only certain customers will be subject to the 90 day policy, depending on their return history.