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UK ISPs Ordered To Block Pirate Bay
Barence writes "Five of Britain's biggest ISPs have been ordered to block access to The Pirate Bay. Sky, Everything Everywhere, TalkTalk, O2 and Virgin Media have been told to block access to the site. Britain's biggest ISP, BT, has been given a few further weeks to 'consider its position.' Music lobby group, the BPI, welcomed the move, saying music creators 'deserve to be paid for their work just like everyone else' and calling for those who use The Pirate Bay to illegally download content to 'explore the many digital music services operating ethically and legally in the UK.'"
http://torrentfreak.com/how-to-unblock-the-pirate-bay-111004/
nuff said?
who where what when now?
Because, you know, TPB is the only torrent site on the Interwebs. People won't use other sites or find a work-around. Nope. Not at all.
Yet again, we have another example of an inefficient government being too slow to act. Now, the question should be : Is it inefficent AND slow? Or just inefficient?
Quartz Extreme and Core Image. Are there any other real reasons to spend all that money on generic hardware?
This should be fun!!!
I'm not with one of the "big 6" ISP's but I'm with an independent LLU that uses their cable.
Will they be forced to block it as well?
Not a big problem for me, as their is always a way around it!
Laters Sol "Have you found the secrets of the universe? Asked Zebade "I'm sure I left them here somewhere"
That's piracy sorted, what's next?
Do the BPI members use the same Hollywood accounting methodology to pay their contracted artists, like charging "breakage" against digital music download sales? If so then the BPI concern over the artists getting paid is hypocritically laughable.
There is no right to feel safe thru security vaudeville at the expense of everyone's freedom, privacy and tax money.
"explore the many digital music services operating ethically and legally in the UK.'"
Yes, and you "can have any color of model T, as long as its black." Please. The popularity of the pirate bay suggests that the 'many digital music services' are woefully lacking in something the pirate bay provides; And study after study have shown that it's not the price that's driving people to those sites, but the ease of use and lack of DRM. People are, in fact, willing to pay to be entertained... they just don't believe that the pricing model accurately reflects the entertainment value of the product -- and when every song is priced the same at the various digitla music stores, that's pretty good evidence they're right; Nobody would say that Manos, Hands of Fate is of equal value to say, The Dark Knight. Well, nobody except the entertainment industry...
#fuckbeta #iamslashdot #dicemustdie
Music lobby group, the BPI, welcomed the move, saying music creators 'deserve to be paid for their work just like everyone else'
I agree. It's just unfortunate that when you buy mainstream music only a very tiny percentage goes to the music creators. Most of it goes to record label fat cats and towards lobbying for shit like this ban.
It was nice knowing the internet. Now the wicked people have figured out how to pervert it we can kiss it goodbye.
What we need is a new internet free from political manipulations. Something mesh based and truely free would be nice.
So how about you stick your crappy attempt at censorship up your ass?
Enjoy making even more people flock to the site despite your stupid blocks. Morons.
Blocking sites? seems a little familiar, what's next?
Everything Everywhere changes name to Most Things Almost Everywhere
Whatever we say you can't have
Every single artist on the promo bay should sue the monopoly for anti competitive business practices.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNfGyIW7aHM
I would love to see a big fat Streisand effect from this.
It's going to be interesting to see how people react to the slowly encroaching restriction on what we can/cannot access online.
With the Middle East & Co. the cut-off was drastic, whereas I think in the West we're facing the Boiling Frog syndrome.
People in this thread are asking if the governments' are slow/inefficient, but really I think the general populace is even slower.
When will this supposed block be put in place? I have RTFA and can see no timescale or date which makes me assume this block is already in place.
I am on one of the main 5 and have absolutely no problem accessing the site.
They think they are punishing TPB by blocking it, and that other torrent sites will be afraid because of the example they make of TPB. It is the sort of thinking that comes from politicians who grew up in a pre-Internet age.
Palm trees and 8
As a British citizen I am getting more and more sick of the incompetent morons who govern this country.
Maybe instead of takings bribes from the likes of Rupert Murdoch, outmoded business like the recording industry and the fundamentally failed banking sector they could do some of the following:
- Financial transaction taxes. Stop the crazy gambling in the financial sector
- How about cutting fuel taxes (paid for by a 1% increase in corporation tax.) Everyone needs stuff moved around so making it cheaper can only be a good thing.
- Invest in actual industry rather than bailing out the failed financial sector. You've spent hundreds of billions on this and have nothing to show for it.
- Build fucking nuclear power stations. Solar, wind, wave, etc are completely impractical so stop wasting money on them
- Stop wasting money on wars
- Open up the government and stop fucking with your people
I'm not even sure who is worth voting for anymore. The Conservatives are as corrupt and sleazy as they were under Thatcher, Labour offer nothing more than "we wouldn't do what the Conservatives are doing but we won't bother to offer any ideas of our own" and the Liberal Democrats have sold themselves out to the Conservatives. Not one of these parties is willing to take any risks or do anything that requires telling the banking sector "NO!" The political class in the UK is completely rotten.
Creative music artists are at the mercy of the record companies..... The music industry would like to continue the cash stream, but actually paying the artists for their work is another matter.
so there are other options to get the illegal stuff on The Pirate Bay... but what about the stuff that is on there legally, where TPB is the only place to get it?
You cannot block the piratebay because it's an idea. You can take away its domain and block its IP addresses but those are things that can be changed. The piratebay will live on because it's an idea. It cannot be suppressed by the authorities. It will always resurface.
capitalism
Unfortunately, you'll never see this. Because it's illegal for artists to be paid for their work, if Sony et all can't get their 90% "cut".
Music lobby group, the BPI, welcomed the move, saying music creators 'deserve to be paid for their work just like everyone else'
"Just like everyone else" means "once".
If Britain blocks TPB legitimate sales will drop off because people won't be able to find music they want to buy.
Indeed. We need a name for the situation in which a company does something beneficial not for any altruistic or ethical reasons, but simply because the most profitable path happens to be aligned with the interests of the users.
Once upon a time, that was called "doing business".
"What in the name of Fats Waller is that?"
"A four-foot prune."
It will now be easier to justify/implement blocking other unapproved sites.
The main problem with doing this for piracy is that so many people do it. They are fighting a large proportion of all people.
Censorship should be limited to only the most egregious things, if that, or it WILL be expanded.
expandfairuse.org
I'm in the Netherlands and my ISP has TPB blocked here by court order, by DNS as well as its specific IP.
It does NOT help. A university study showed no significant decrease in TPB use amongst my peer ISP users and I can confirm it for myself: I still use it without any problems :)
In fact: the number of proxies, either specific to TPB or generic, has exploded due to the court order.
Internet cannot be suppressed. It always routes around blockages.
When is the UK going to force blocking of Google, Bing, etc? Did any of these brilliant censors ever think to search for torrents there?
"Oh, no! My right to download gigabytes of awesome music I would never actually pay for so they aren't actually losing money is being impinged!"
I await my downmod with mathematical certitude.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
The identical music was available on another half-dozen or so Russian websites (not specifically demanded to be blocked, therefore credit card companies had no problem doing business with them and making money) within a day.
Posted this on the Guardian site but no reply so thought I'd ask here. As far as I know this ruling is only applicable in England and Wales as Scotland and Northern Ireland, while part of the UK has their own legal system. So therefore the block should not apply to customers in Scotland and Northern Ireland? I'm sure it would be easier for the ISPs to attempt a blanket block for a technical point of view but if so could their Scottish and Northern Irish customers have grounds to complain?
There's still the matter of traditional pirates (the raping and pillaging kind). They're still attacking ships and disrupting trade off the coast of Africa and yes, the Caribbean.
Acts of the United Kingdom Parliament can apply to Scotland and Northern Ireland too. Neither Scotland nor Northern Ireland have their own copyright laws; it's all the Copyright and Designs Act 1988.
So, no.
Thanks Epimer, I assumed this was a private civil case where the Copyright and Designs Act wasn't involved but happy to stand corrected.
They already had it.. It was supposed to be limited to the most egregious things, it was expanded, and it WILL be expanded.
Music lobby group, the BPI, welcomed the move, saying music creators 'deserve to be paid for their work just like everyone else'
Then maybe there should be some laws against the record labels which don't even pay the artists shit?
and calling for those who use The Pirate Bay to illegally download content to 'explore the many digital music services operating ethically and legally in the UK.'"
I invite those slimy pigs to make a legal and ethical living themselves.
I have left slashdot and am now on Soylent News. FUCK YOU DICE.
Music lobby group, the BPI, welcomed the move, saying music creators 'deserve to be paid for their work just like everyone else'
Then maybe they should actually pay the artists for their work.....and im not talking about the measly 3% or whatever artists get for creating a song... i wouldnt be suprised if the artist (not label) actually make MORE money in the long run because of TPB then what the labels will pay.......because "they deserve to get paid like everyone else"...
Somebody's been drinking the Friedman kool-aide.
Murder, Inc. is a capitalist enterprise, you dig?
These court ordered blockades are simply seen by the network as damage that the network was designed to be able to work around. If Paul Baran hadn't spearheaded this effort at RAND the original AT&T would most likely still own America with its central office.
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K
.... why the hell should it? Let's just compare Linux to the closest thing there is to it on the Consumer space: OS X. OS X, like Linux shares a lot of DNA with UNIX. But who would imagine giving a UNIX computer to their mother, their grandmother, their tech-challenged brother. The people who think that Linux should be taking the world by storm I notice are all gear-heads with presumably a fair high level of technical competence. And that's the problem. Does anyone in their right mind think that any distro of Linux is even close to the ease of use of OS X and OS X applications? Linux advocates seem to forget that desktop computing isn't the sole province of the University computer nerds, and hasn't been for decades.
Good luck with that wigheads...
I really don't understand why everyone is painting such a big target on TPB still, I stopped using them as soon as they removed torrents and went magnet links only.
Daily, I see TPB's main page has some artist promoting his work on TPB, and distributing their own work using TPB.
I guess big media corps will be glad to silence those artists, but truth is, killing TPB really *does* kill those artists who actually get attention by being there and distributing their music there!
So while the BPI says that artists deserve to get paid for what they do, they really just mean artists that work with them; the rest can be left to rot in silence.
A big F-U to the entire system.
Not that it effects me directly, but lets not go down the path where we end up ' and no one was left to speak out for me;'
---- Booth was a patriot ----
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Eh? The original AT&T was forbidden from entering the computer business as part of it's regulatory restrictions in exchange for having a monopoly on voice telecom. It was doomed anyway.
The slippery slope is real.
Keeping a child rapist from moving next to a school to victimize the children seems like both a noble goal and easy to implement and with only good consequences. (*)
Only now you've empowered government to decide where you can live. Where you live is a revokable privilege, not a right.
That will only be used against those monsters, right? right? Good people have NOTHING to worry about.
WRONG.
Las Vegas bans even misdemeanor drug offenders from even entering a major portion of the city.
Google "order out corridor". OOPS!
Precedents are a dangerous thing.
Creating infrastructure is a dangerous thing too.
Onstar can be used by the government to listen to your conversations and even to disable your car, by making it think it is stolen - it will refuse to start.
(*) Life without parole for the real monsters would eliminate the need for this stuff AND protect the children!
Or a 38 cent bullet.
But they don't want to protect the children, they want to control society with an iron fist. Letting molestors out of prison makes people fearful and then they pass these laws, and get precedents, and eventually you have weed heads being banned from huge parts of the city (ironically the Las Vegas order out corridor is so big - drug offenders are more restricted than molestors! Then again, molestation makes the politicans stronger, and drugs reduce their power.)
Just because it CAN be done, doesn't mean it should!
The more pressure is being put on those highly visible sites, the sooner truly distributed anonymous censorship-resistant and highly resilient p2p systems would not only emerge, but gain widespread adoption. And the more legitimate mainstream sites start appearing on those p2p networks as well, the more those networks will become indispensable and necessary part of everybody's infrastructure. THEN, and only then, governments won't be able to outlaw anon p2p, and we will have won this war, against all odds and against formidable opponents with seemingly unlimited resources. That would be the victory of the free human spirit.
Or, to put in another way: we've grown too lazy by sticking to existing, but highly vulnerable file sharing mechanisms. Only effective pressure from the MAFIAA will help us move forward towards next generation better and more robust architectures. Maybe these Copyright Taliban are doing us a favor, by forcing us to develop and migrate towards a communication system that will be truly uncensorable and that will be our main channel for free speech in the not so distant future.
cpghost at Cordula's Web.
"saying music creators 'deserve to be paid for their work just like everyone else'"
Except, last I heard, we have no right to a job and that our job could be outsourced or just closed and we have no right to deserve employment. Besides, they HAVE gotten paid (or at least the ones on salary who are the only ones who "deserve" to be paid: the artist is gambling on getting paid). And the artist doesn't get paid because the label ensure this is so.
Or was that just dogma?
Because they could, like the session recording artists, CHOOSE to get paid as a work for hire and then cede all rights to the corporation that hired them.
This means that vpn is the only solution. I start using superb vpn and so far experience has been great...No problem with accessing site and torrent downloading....
Guys the easiest way around it would be going to http://www.theslyratebay.com/ . Requiers no proxies or vpns or any other crap like that.
It should not apply to Scotland. Although the legislation is UK wide, in order for the ISPs to be forced to block this in Scotland an interdict would have to be issued by a Scottish court (an injunction in England). One has not been issued, therefore it does not apply.
Despite what is being said everywhere, you cant access the pirate bay using a proxy server because the magnet links don't work through a proxy. Use www.piratebayuk.co.uk it runs its own custom built proxy server, which is currently the ONLY one that can handle the magnet links