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OS X Mountain Lion Out Tomorrow
Apple revealed in its third quarter earnings release today that OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion will be released tomorrow, July 25th. "As a quick recap, the $19.99 software update brings a handful of iOS features to Macs, including the notes and reminders apps. It adds a few other things, like Twitter integration, Apple's Game Center and iMessage services. There's also a new security feature called Gatekeeper, designed to fend off malware by controlling what applications can and cannot be installed." The release also noted that iOS 6 will be coming out this fall, and that the company sold 17 million iPads in the third quarter, up 84% from sales in the third quarter of last year.
Will they finally fix their WiFi woes?? My brand new macbook pro drops connections more than I drop the end of
We keep replacing our desktop environment every once in a while, now recently with Unity/GNOME3. Have we actually gone anywhere? At the same time OS X is in many ways very similar to the original Mac interface almost 30 years ago.
Can the Linux desktop survive that long?
designed to fend off malware
Why would you need this on a Mac?
to um...fend off the malware?
Seriously dude, did you even read what you just wrote?
But, but, but, it's a MAC! We don't GET malware!
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
Yes because it *fends* the, off.
Didn't you pay attention?
Wow. They already controlled the tablet market, and basically doubled sales year-over-year?
Revolutionary release.
Designed to fend off malware. Why would you need this on a Mac?
Because of users. When the year of the Linux desktop arrives Linux will need to do the same thing. :-)
But, but, but, it's a MAC! We don't GET malware!
Because the system is designed to fend off malware perhaps? ;-)
What I am going to be curious about is how the GateKeeper signed executable functionality will help in the wild against Trojans.
Assuming users are smart enough to not turn it off because a Web ad for a "pr0n viewer" or a free iPad told them to.
Sounds like the beginning of the iOS walled garden for OSX
Developer forums filled with show-stopping (kernel panic inducing) bugs.
I can't believe they're releasing this. It's almost as bad as the time they released Xcode and upgraded the default debugger from GDB to LLDB, but LLDB included a serious bug that made it virtually useless (you couldn't print out variables without it screwing them up).
Sometimes I wonder if Apple has a working Q/A department anymore. Oh well, at least we got Twitter and Facebook integration- who cares if your machine panics a few times a day. Last I heard, panics don't require you to forcefully shut down the machine anymore- the kernel just dumps to NVRAM and reboots. And with auto-resume you should be right back where you were before the entire machine went down! Reminds me of that Microsoft powered in-dash car system that rebooted itself every so often as "regular system maintenance"...
-AC
What will they name releases when they run out of cats? I mean, "10.10 Housecat" just doesn't sound like a product people would be enthusiastic about...
By the time Mountain Lion launches, it will have been a few days over a year since the previous major release. Hardly 10 minute updates. Plus, it's rare that you meet someone who is aware and legitimately cares about a difference between Chrome version X and Chrome version X+1. In contrast, Apple added a few hundred new features, a few of which people have been requesting for years.
Yeah, it's so restrictive to have the choice of what sources you want to trust for installing software.
iPad sales up 84%. Wow. They already controlled the tablet market, and basically doubled sales year-over-year?
You can't look at iPad sales in isolation. You have to also look at how the tablet market has grown year-over-year. For example if the tablet market is growing at a faster rate then Apple would be "falling behind". That is what happened with respect to personal computers back in the day. Apple had a huge share of the early adopters but as the rest of the population entered the personal computer market they chose IBM compatibles. Apple sold more computer each year as their market shrunk. With google and amazon selling tablets at cost a similar pattern may emerge.
No, it will be called "The New OS X".
I thought FTFF was to just remove the notion of files altogether and replace it with Launchpad.
In other words, Apple will control what third party software you're allowed to install on your own machine. That's why it's "needed".
Assuming regularly distributed birthdays, since AFAIK technical prowess isn't linked to birth date.
AFAIK technical prowess isn't linked to slashdot readership either...
Huh? Optionally restricting the OS to running only signed binaries, and checking certificates haven't been revoked is ridiculous? What fantasy land do you live in?
I didn't even suspect it had teh gay!
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Is this anything like Gatekeeper from The Net?
If so, stay away! ;)
"A plan fiendishly clever in its intricacies"- Homer Simpson
Is Apple painting themselves into a corner, or preparing to corner the market? Next major release version, whatever pithy name they give it, will likely be OS-X 10.9. What follows that? Will they just keep incrementing the tenth's place, as 10.10, 10.11, 10.12, etc.?
Probably. It's not as if there's some Iron Law that some particular component or components of a version ID are limited to one digit.
In other words, Apple will control what third party software you're allowed to install on your own machine.
If you don't like it, uncheck the box and install anything you wish. That's what I'll be doing.
For the typical home user, though, I think it's a reasonable limitation that's not likely to impact what they can do *at all*.
#DeleteChrome
No, it's a setting that you control and can override on a per-app level.
I "upgraded" from Snow Leopard to Lion at the urging of a friend who had it already and
that upgrade has been an unmitigated disaster. I then spent many hours getting things
which had "just worked" working again. The loss of productivity which resulted was significant.
Snow Leopard was stable, and did everything I needed to do.
Lion includes a bunch of iOS mimicry which is a stupid mistake and which makes me
regret being an Apple user because it feels like I have been duped into thinking I was
buying great design when I have been hoodwinked into buying consumer-level crap.
Apple's attempt at forcing the merging of iOS device and laptop interface design is
beyond merely annoying ; it has degraded the usefulness of my machine in a permanent
manner and there is no fix short of going back to Snow Leopard.
There will be no further "upgrades" for me, not when reduced functionality at the expense
of satisfying the idiotic design decision which makes my high-end laptop act like an
iPad.
I may be a bit premature but I think this is the beginning of the end of Apple's run of
making great operating systems and great laptops ( glued-in battery ? No thanks ! )
Tim Cook is going to be famous for leading Apple into the abyss.
Mark my words.
And do something with the way keyboard shortcuts are handled. The inconsistent behavior that is the mark of OS-X is ruining productivity.
The machine is 64 bit but some components aren't.
Have you looked at their product line? Their motto isn't "Think Different" its "We think different so you don't have to."
Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all
Dont' feed the trolls. There are plenty of them in this discussion.
I know, I've been taking a crash course on 32 bit EFI, etc. The bottom line seems to be that this is a completely arbitrary decision from Apple. The Mac Pro was sold to me as a "64 bit workstation" and now they say it isn't. I'd say they're on shaky legal ground there. Earlier version of ML also had a working 32 bit kernel and lots of people who are more adept than i have managed to successfully install and run ML using a custom boot loader so it is possible. Apple have dropped the ball here.
SL is great, but ML is leaps ahead of Lion. After running the GM since its release I can say it's noticeably faster on my early 2009 mac mini.
Yes they have made their decision. They believe the desktop form factor and the tablet / phone form factor are fundamentally different and will stay different. The two can borrow for one another but they should have different functions and thus different types of applications. Microsoft is choosing an opposite approach. Consumers are going to get a real choice.
You should go to MacRumors where they have a guy keeping on and on and on and on posting exactly the same nonsense as you do. You could make a friend and drown your sorrows together.
See, here's the thing you're missing. You have a fully functional machine which is running an OS more than 5 years newer than it, and it's doing it just fine. Lion will continue to work on it and be patched for the foreseeable future, and most software will run on it as well. What obligation does Apple have towards you? Did they sell you a machine that promised more than 5 years of updates? Or did they promise EFI64, which is what's needed to boot ML? (hint: they didn't). They sold you a 64-bit workstation, and you got a 64-bit workstation, and you've had no trouble upgrading the OS twice.
Via hacks and other messy stuff, you might be able to get it to work, and I expect directions will be available shortly and relatively straightforward, but it's hard to blame Apple for not wanting to mess up the experience. They seem happy to allow "hacks" to extend their product's functionality, but they're not really the kind of company to give you enough rope to hang yourself with, which is how they keep their reputation that anything "Apple-sanctioned" "just works"
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Apple must think people are really too stupid to know where this is going.
And they're probably right about that. On the other hand, people buy Nintendos, X-boxes, Roku boxes, etc all the time without batting an eyelash, so it's more likely that the people who know where this is going don't really care, or think it is a good thing.
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
If you haven't bought anything from Apple in 5+ years, why should they care about you?
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
iPad, several iPhones, laptops, software and several family members and friends who did likewise.
If you strip out the broken-hearted fanboy stuff, there's a perfectly rational letter in there explaining how his business needs aren't being met by their current product offerings, and that lack of software support for capable hardware is driving him to migrate to another platform.
Someone who is testing says that they've finally implemented it. I'm still skeptical.
That's quite an attitude. What have you done for me lately?
I couldn't agree more about Apple abandoning perfectly fine, expensive hardware. My 8-core, 3GHz MacPro2,1 can still run circles around most of Apple's current lineup and yet it won't run Mountain Lion. I specifically waited for "64-bit" hardware so it would last longer. If new MacPros weren't so damn expensive or offered something more than compatibility in return it wouldn't be quite as annoying.
Bare bones how? Users can upgrade ALL THE WAY FROM XP to Windows 8 Pro for $40. That's a $40 upgrade from an OS released in 2001 (around the same time as OSX 10.0, in fact).
When I tried to get a Macbook with OSX 10.3 upgraded to 10.6, the "genius" at the Apple store actually said "oh, we don't support that, but you may be able to find an old version of 10.4 on the Internet, and then we can sell you the 10.5 and 10.6 upgrades". How nice of them.
That's quite an attitude. What have you done for me lately?
Not a damned thing. Which is why I don't feel bad about you not doing anything for me.
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
iPad, several iPhones, laptops, software and several family members and friends who did likewise.
And they all work as described when you bought them? I'm sensing a lot of butthurt for a product that has worked for five years. That has been updated for five years. That presumably will work as it currently does for another five years.
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
Butthurt? I'm pissed that Apple has abandoned the Mac pro 1,1 and 1,2 for no good reason. I bet Windows 8 will install fine and that is a fucking joke.
I have a MacBook Pro 5.2 running 10.6.8. So far I have luckily stayed away from "upgrades" to later OS X flavors.
My Mom tried upgrading to Lion with her iMac and lost a lot of functionality, then limped to experts with a semi trashed system trying to roll back to use the applications that used to work.
Since Lion and Mountain Lion sound like totally stupid mobile OS trappings I have no idea why I should even consider upgrading to Mountain Lion. Which is too bad since I have long wanted more advanced technology in areas that would help me in my work, which is why I bought this otherwise fantastic machine.
One thing though, even though I have an express slot I'm not sure where to find storage that could take advantage of it, unfortunately. Express to USB3.0 connector anybody? It would help when cloning..
There is a checkbox in System Prefs to turn it off. Or if you control click on the app and select open it will launch (and white list for future launches).
It is really so people don't double click an app that has an icon that looks like a MP3. Or maybe they won't launch what looks like PhotoShop, but isn't. If it gets enough adoption from 3rd parties I can see it being a huge help to the average user. If it gets low adoption it'll be more useful for folks that really know what is going on.
#!/bin/bash
sudo rm -rf
"Just type in your admin password". Congratulations, you just ran malware.
Now worms that propagate themselves over the internet like stuxnet, not so much.
If the beta was anything to go on then hardware support is tight. Although it will work(?) of any iCPU (i5 etc) and they have been building then for a couple of years, it may not run on your trustily old Core 2 Duo. $20? I'm not upgrading just yet.
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MacOSX 9 3/4, the Harry Potter release.
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GM is fantastic - far more solid than Lion ever was.
But, but, but, it's a MAC! We don't GET malware!
Oh you might want to rethink that, apparently Macs (and Linux boxes for that matter) tend to be crawling with malware making them a very significant threat vector according to the windows admins where I work. .
... Yeah. Windows admins usually are the uncontested experts about OSX and Linux malware ...
I see a lot of comments asking "Why upgrade?" or not to bother if what you are currently running is working for you. What about security patches and support? I've searched all over the place and, so far, haven't been able to find any clear statement about when Apple stops support for a particular version of OS X. The "word of mouth" answer seems to be only the current release and one version prior are supported with patches and security fixes. It seems a bit irresponsible to drop support for an OS without letting your customers know that they're system is no longer being updated to protect against the various vulnerabilities that can be exploited.
Alex, I'll take keybindings not used by Emacs for $400....
Windows 8 isn't due til October 26, no worries.
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