Slashdot Mirror
Pakastani Politician Detained By US Customs Over Opposition To Drone Strikes
First time accepted submitter Serious Callers Only writes "According to reports, Imran Khan was detained yesterday by US officials for questioning on his views on United States drone strikes in Pakistan. Glenn Greenwald writing for the guardian: 'On Saturday, Khan boarded a flight from Canada to New York in order to appear at a fundraising lunch and other events. But before the flight could take off, U.S. immigration officials removed him from the plane and detained him for two hours, causing him to miss the flight. On Twitter, Khan reported that he was "interrogated on [his] views on drones" and then added: "My stance is known. Drone attacks must stop." He then defiantly noted: "Missed flight and sad to miss the Fundraising lunch in NY but nothing will change my stance."'"
"our dual mission is to facilitate travel in the United States while we secure our borders, our people, and our visitors from those that would do us harm like terrorists and terrorist weapons, criminals, and contraband,"
Nice sound byte accusing him of being a terrorist without actually saying it.
Every time I see this kind of thing it just confirms that the biggest threat to peace and the ones creating racial intolerance and hatred are the US Government.
I am a free slashdotter. I will not be modded, blogged, DRM'd, patented, podcasted or RFID'd. My life is my own.
On Saturday, Khan boarded a flight from Canada to New York
before the flight could take off, US immigration officials removed him from the plane and detained him for two hours, causing him to miss the flight.
What the hell were US immigration officials doing in Canada, if I may ask?
Is this a new middle-eastern republic?
I can't find it on the map. So embarassed. I hope we're not at war with it; I'd hate to be that stereotypical American.
Translation: "You have freedom of speech but we don't like your opinion, so we'll make you miss your plane and then let you go. Like that, we can claim to the world that you have the freedom to express your opinions, when in reality what we're pulling off is wrongful arrest."
FYI I'm not flying to the U.S. anytime soon even if they paid me to.
Please use a spell checker before submitting stories.
Seriuosly , how much lower can the US go, now questioning politicians from allied countries over their views.
The US seems to have a nasty habit of using customs officials to put pressure on people it doesn't like. Customs is unique because you pretty much have to cooperate or you won't get into the country, and it is difficult to arrange to get a lawyer.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
"USA , freedom of speech as long as you agree with us" if it happened as reported then it should be the new motto of the USA.
C. Sagan : A demon haunted world:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345409469/
visit randi.org
I suspect that the DHS has no idea how this will play in Pakistan. It would not surprise me much if people from the State Department are going to have a little talk with the DHS about this early next week (assuming Sandy doesn't get in the way).
For an analogy, imagine Ron Paul was detained a few hours in Lahore over his views on cutting Defense spending...
If Americans really don't want to let this guy in there are diplomatic ways to do so. They should've declared him a persona non grata before the incident. That would've been an honest way of dealing with the situation, most people would've understood that they don't want an Al-Qaeda supporter in their country, and the guy wouldn't have got free popularity back at home out of it.
Pakistan says it's our ally because otherwise we would take/destroy their nukes.
We're going to take them anyhow, just not today. We already 'helped' them secure the warheads.
Don't pretend for a second that anybody believes the fiction. The Saudis, Pakis, Egyptians etc are not our allies. We're just keeping them 'closer then our friends'.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
The proper spelling is Pakistan, not Pak-A-stan.
As an editor, spelling and grammar as part of their jobs, why oh why do they fail so often at it and none of their bosses call them out? 20-35 stories a day are NOT that much to get right, even if the number of submissions is in the hundreds.
One can only conclude that the US government sees Freedom of Speech as a uniquely American right. Which is just plain wrong.
The USA persecuting the Pakistani politicians it wants in power is probably a good way to give them a boost with the Pakistani public.
I don't really know how good Kahn is but he sounds much less corrupt than the current crop.
Khan was coming to the US to raise funds for his political party, which opposes the interests of the US government. The debate should center more on the points of conflict, rather than the US government blocking Khan's attempt to use US funds against the US.
What's that evil cretin going to do next at Cheney's insistence? Start killing US citizens with drone strikes?
Citizens soon.
I hope that this was recorded. If this is true, then things really need to change in INS.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
So he's not on their radar just for his opposition to the drones...
I doubt very much that marrying a jew will win a lot of favours with voters in predominantly muslim Pakistan.
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
What kind of morons do you Employ / Elect! in the states? Those clowns just just gaurenteed wold wide front page headlines on the horrors
of Drone attacks on Cilvillians. Err. Proberbly not in the US Fox Media. Glad Murdochs no longer an Aussie.
I'm sure he would say the same about you - let's lock up all ACs who say anything against our Gloriously Free nation of Pakistan! Why are you even allowed to fly out of the US? You're on a PK no-fly list!
Operation Guillotine is in effect.
EDITORS WILL YOU PLEASE FIX THE STORY TITLE. This should be:Imran Khan detained by US customs over opposition to drone strikes as in the original submission, or if you prefer Pakistani politician..., but not Pakastani...
i wonder how the US would react if Pakistan started arresting random visiting politicians & diplomats on the grounds that, well, you know...
USA; land of the [censored], home of the [redacted].
Slashdot social media options: AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, Jabber and Mobile Text. Why no MySpace?
Saying he wouldn't enjoy getting hit by a drone.
politician, loudmouth, and a jock and uses his wife's race as a selling point for more votes
His wife's race?
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
http://www.economist.com/node/21564596
ON OCTOBER 9th Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan, a grouping of Islamist militants also known as the Pakistani Taliban, shot a 14-year-old girl, Malala Yousafzai, in the head. Claiming responsibility for the attack, the Pakistani Taliban said that it had targeted her because she promoted a Westernised and secular vision.
As it happened, the shooting came on the heels of a two-day “peace march” against American drone aircraft targeting suspected Islamist militants in Pakistan’s tribal areas close to the border with Afghanistan. At the head of a cavalcade that moved slowly from the capital, Islamabad, to the edge of the tribal areas was Imran Khan, star cricketer turned politician. Mr Khan demanded the end of missile strikes by American drones and an end to Pakistan’s own military operations against its home-grown Taliban. Instead, Mr Khan advocates unconditional peace talks with the militants.
Mr Khan is firmly against violent extremism, and the attack on Malala sickened him as much as anyone. He called her “a courageous daughter of Pakistan”. But, asked on television to condemn the Pakistani Taliban, he answered: “Who will save my party workers if I sit here and give big statements against the Taliban?”
Mr Khan’s position is that Taliban violence is a reaction to American drones and to the American presence in Afghanistan. That hardly explains why the Pakistani Taliban targeted a schoolgirl, and warned that they would go after her again if she survived. Nor does anything suggest that the Pakistani Taliban are interested in dialogue with Imran Khan or the current government. Indeed, their clearly stated agenda is to take over Pakistan and impose a medievalist Islam on the country, sharing an ideology with al-Qaeda that sees most fellow Muslims as apostates, justifying their killing.
Mr Khan has made drones and peace talks a central plank of his politics. He insists that drones largely kill innocent civilians. Given that the drone strikes take place in tribal badlands that are a no-go area for outsiders, it is impossible to know the true level of civilian casualties. According to a tally by the New America Foundation, a Washington think-tank, based on press reports from Pakistan, the drones have killed nearly 3,200 people since 2004, with a non-militant casualty rate of some 15%. American military men claim the rate is much lower. Militants killed by drones include the former Pakistani Taliban leader, Baitullah Mehsud, and the “butcher of Swat”, Ibn Amin. Nearly all of al-Qaeda’s top commanders have also been killed. By comparison with innocent casualties from drones, the Pakistani Taliban and their allies have killed 14,427 civilians and 4,670 soldiers and police in Pakistan since 2003, according to figures kept by the South Asia Terrorism Portal.
Since late last year Mr Khan has enjoyed a surge in his popularity as a politician, propelling him to the lead position in a poll six months ago by the International Republican Institute, an American pollster. Mr Khan’s promise of change and of a new politics, much needed, that is free from corruption went down well. But now the same institute puts his party, Tehreek-e-Insaf, in second place, with 24% support, four points behind Mr Sharif’s outfit.
This year the surge in support for Mr Khan led well-known politicians from mainstream parties to join him. Now people are starting to question whether change can come through these establishment recruits. With an election due at some point in the next few months, Mr Khan’s predictions of a landslide victory are starting to look less convincing.
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Yeah, it seems more like an attempt to intimidate and perhaps influence the upcoming elections in other countries. It's not like the guy hides his political ideas.
As a foreigner if you get into custom for special interrogation, they forbid you to take your mobile phone, forbid you all communication. I have been there. Bottom line is that you have no recourse whatsoever, and contacting a lawyer is out of question.
C. Sagan : A demon haunted world:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345409469/
visit randi.org
The plight of the drone community will not improve until we recognize their fundamental rights to organize and strike in the face of increasing adversity. We must come together and demand higher drone wages and safer working conditions!
Not married to her anymore.
If foreigners invaded your country would you favor bowing down to them and allowing their conquest without a fight?
When foreigners invade your country, you have every right to kill them. You have to be hopelessly propagandized to fail to recognize this.
Democracy Now! - your daily, uncensored, corporate-free
There are no words that condemn drone strikes strongly enough. It is ultimate evil, weak, and cowardly thing to do. The US kills non-combatants in drone strikes. It's justification is that any adult male is a combatant unless proven otherwise. Anyone who fails to oppose drone strikes is a terrorist.
And it goes without saying, that America stands for nothing if they try to keep people out on the basis of their political speech.
Democracy Now! - your daily, uncensored, corporate-free
Maybe they were questioning him about this, where he's quoted as saying that Afghanistan's Taliban and other insurgents are justified by Islamic law: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/14/imran-khan-taliban-afghanistan-islam
American insularity is an issue here.
As some of the above posters have noted, Imran Khan was a cricketer. A very good one.
Good enough to be a household name around the cricket-playing world. Australia, the U.K., South Africa, New Zealand, the West Indies, most of the sub-continent. Around two billion people I'd guess.
While to the American public he's just another 'sand nigger' or 'towel head' or whatever other pejorative is in vogue, to much of the rest of the English-speaking world he is a well-known and widely-respected personality.
We know this guy. He's more one of us than you lot are.
Imran Khan is a superstar politician that has no cultural equivalent in the United States. He's also somebody who has strong ties to the West, including going to Oxford University, having married a Brit and having been Chancellor of a British university. So this is not a dodgy politician who is rising to power in the hopes of enforcing Sharia law on the world. This guy is exactly the kind of person who could be and should be a strong ally for the West in Pakistan. On the other hand, if you wanted to find a way to alienate Pakistani moderates and those with ties to the West, this would be somebody to try and humiliate.
I worked on the ground staff at Sussex County Cricket club when the played cricket for them. He was always a perfect gentleman and a wonderful person.
His stance of drone attacks by the US inside the borders of his country is well known.
The US is wrong to do this. They have set a precidence that if unchallenged will give them the right to bomb anywhere on this planet with impunity. This will apply to even the allies of the US (and by implication fellow NATO members).
The USA is a bully. The laws passed giving the US jurisdiction over the whole planet are laughable. Do they really think that the world will cow tow to those idiots in Congress?
No they won't.
Rant over. Now I'll sit back and wait for the inevitable knock at the door and my rendition to Gitmo and totaly denial of due process.
The US is as bad, if not worse than the taliban.
Watch "Hacking Democracy" for the punch line!
http://www.hulu.com/watch/192687
Yes. It is important to this story that Imran Khan is still hugely famous in the Commonwealth, i.e. the cricket-playing countries.
http://rocknerd.co.uk
"Why are corrupt politicians from a terrorist nation allowed to do fund raising"?
If you RTFA, he is not a US politician.
It's halal, so he can do it. Pakistanis don't have a problem with Jews, they have a bigger problem with Israelis.
Not long after Imran was voted as one of the world's most handsome, or sexiest, men (I can't remember exactly) he was playing in Australia and felled by a low blow. He slowly buckled over and tried to relieve some of the pain in his groin and ended on his knees, face on the pitch.
Richie Benaud : That shouldn't happen to a Prince. There will be tears in the eyes of young girls all over the world tonight.
Rod Marsh: Well I should think there's a few tears in Imran's eyes too Richie!
Well, outside of the US, some people actually marry out of love.
And the simple way out for the U S A to not be regraded as "great satan" is to not behave as satan.
Its Just Not Cricket
Yes, it will make the US look bad because this wouldn't have happened to Imran in the UK, Australia, or New Zealand. The guy is a legendary cricket player, there are few people in these nations who have not heard of him, most of us already know about his charitable work and his peaceful political ambitions. He wants his people to stop dying, shooting a young girl in the face because here farther advocates education for girls, or bombing her from above because her father wants to shoot school girls, sure the motives are different but it's the same outcome from where he stands.
For our US friends, the term "it's not cricket" means it's unfair.
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
Pakastani ... illiteracy rampant in USA
Assuming the OP is accurate, this is actually kind of funny. Khan is the most famous political figure in Pakistan today, enormously popular. The idea that you'd have to "interrogate" him to find his beliefs on drone attacks is ludicrous--it's in all the papers every day. So if the US actually did detain him for questioning, they have done themselves more damage than they can imagine.
It's hard to believe that they managed to screw up this way. A significant percentage of americans believe that most problems in the world can be fixed by dropping bombs and/or murdering leftists. Sadly, that is not true, but this stupid method has created a easy way in many places in the world to become a popular politician, regardless of the overall quality of these guys. While the current Prime Minister of Pakistan can only appear to his people that he is powerless at best, kissing Obama's ass at worst, they gave to Khan a much needed helping hand after his blunders in regards to Afghanistan and his almost lukewarm condemnation of the attack against Malala Yousafzai. If Khan ever becomes Prime Minister he does have a very easy way to stop drone attacks: stopping all the traffic of supplies trough Pakistan to Afghanistan, even to deny access to pakistani airspace to NATO's supply airplanes. Without fuel or spare parts these drones cannot fly.
Mexico: 100% conservative's America now!
We'll be next.
n/t
There is no Pakastan. There is, however, a country named Pakistan. I think the CIA World Factbook might be a reliable source for the spelling of (and existence of) Pakistan. Perhaps that is what the editors intended. Certainly, the tags should never have to correct spelling mistakes created by the editors. This is even worse than a dupe or slashvertisement. This is a sad indicator of how low /. has fallen with these new editors. Fix it, already!
Imran was in Canada for fund raising. He has a lot of cash on him at the time of detention. There is a limit on what one can take across the border. Most likely he did not want to provide account to even his own people on the quantum of collection and was trying to get away with it.
What followed is a typical BS from people of his type.
So it's OK to be kidnapped and kept in a closest as long as you are given some scraps to eat... so sad I don't even know where to begin :( If what you said was 100% true, we would still have slavery and women would not be allowed to vote as they were definitely in the minority at the time too. it takes leaders to make a change, leaders who WANT change because it is right, or necessary. We don't have leaders anymore, we have puppets, leaders are destroyed as early as possible now.
Think about education, 6 hours a day sitting in a transparent cube to learn while being lectured at... this is NOT education, this is sterility of the mind. We kill them before they even get our of elementary school. :(
Think about politics, people are afraid to make clear distinct statements, it's not just yourself you have to care for today, your kids, parents, cousins, will be affected by what you do and say. Between social services (if you have kids) and the police (if you like anything outside sustenance living) you can be targeted and lose everything easily. We scare the masses to want to conform.
Think about entertainment, compare it to the gladiators of Roman times, you know, the old, those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it... Of course, this is getting a little over the top, we stop short of killing people on TV but we definitely watch them live doing some insane stupid shit. We keep the masses entertained so they can ignore their problems.
Think abou the economy, if people have to work 2 jobs just to make their payments for life, then they are to busy to do anything else, except the fact we are not farmers, most people are basically working for sustenance. Sure, the "quality" can be good, but stress and lack of time mean people just CAN'T be involved, a great two edged sword to keep the masses occupied while holding out that cumb that one day they can be "rich" too
etc
etc
etc
Think about entertainment, compare it to the gladiators of Roman times, you know, the old, those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it... Of course, this is getting a little over the top, we stop short of killing people on TV but we definitely watch them live doing some insane stupid shit. We keep the masses entertained so they can ignore their problems.
Right, and whose fault is that? It's the peoples' fault for being dumb enough to be placated by bread and circuses and continuing to vote for the same people. You're all adults (speaking to voters here), this state of affairs is your fault and your responsibility. Stop trying to pass blame on to supposed puppet-masters. If you're being played like a puppet, it's your own stupid fault.
As for learning from history, you're exactly right. Remind me how the Roman people ultimately dealt with the problems their government had.
He was married to a Jew - Jemima Goldsmith.
Emphasis on was. Because most divorced men have nothing but love for their ex-wives. And her three-year relationship with Hugh Grant immediately following the divorce probably didn't help. I don't have any reason to think he hates Jews or Brits because of her, but obviously he made a choice between her and Pakistan. His words:
My political life made it difficult for her to adapt to life in Pakistan. This was a mutual decision and is clearly very sad for both of us. My home and my future is in Pakistan.
Nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn't put "he divorced his Jewish wife after determining it was Pakistan or her" on his character resume. He is a politician, and politicians make their life choices for political reasons.
Congratulations on the +5 insightful for a frightfully ignorant comment.
In fact, in Islam just like in Christianity and Judaism, fundamentalism refers to a few specific modern schools of thought. In Islam this refers primarily to Salafism, in Christianity to Dispensationalism, and in Judaism to Charedism.
In each case the fundamentalists are a relatively small proportion of the total number. It's quite true that salafists (when confident of their strength) will denounce normal muslims and attack them - they are particularly narrow-minded and hate all sects but their own. They are still a small minority within the religion, however. There are approximately 1.57 Billion muslims in this world, with extremely generous estimates of the proportion holding salafist jihadi ideals at less than 1% of that total. Even within that group only a minority justifies and approves of terrorist attacks.
They certainly punch above their belt in terms of creating headlines, just as their christian and jewish counterparts do, but in no sense are they anywhere near 'normal' muslims. There are dozens of sects that outnumber them. The largest single sect is usually reckoned as the Sufis who are typical all the way from Morrocco through Turkey and east into China and pretty well diametrically opposed to Salafism in every way.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Friends don't let friends enable ecmascript.
You can get pulled aside and questioned for having OPINIONS on our policies?
What the fuck?
It's so damn hard to vote for Obama with all the terrible things he's done, but there's absolutely zero indication Romney would change any of these policies; and given his Republican heritage he'd likely drive them harder and stronger than Bush and Obama did.
But still, ugh. This is sad. So the guy doesn't like drone strikes, nobody else likes them either. Leave him alone.
For those wondering who Imran is, he used to be a cricketer for Pakistan. He was very well respected by Australia. So much so they took the piss out of him quite a lot on TV:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDyuz0zFyv0
every story is now closed for commenting
wonder why.....and they are there cause the canuck govt allows them also over 300 fbi even though the fbi have no supposed jurisdiction nor mandate to operate in a foreign country ...gee i'd be telling your gov't or at least asking why your wasting such money ....
Drone strikes will stop, once Pakistan based Taliban and Haqqani stop attacking Afghanistan. If Imran Kahn is earnest, than he should devote his efforts to stopping these cross-border attacks. US did not start it, Pakistan did.
That Imran Khan guy is nothing but a Taliban supporter.
The major motive that underlined his call for banning the drone strike is because too many Talibans were killed by the strikes and Imran Khan's heart aches every time yet another Taliban got sent back to his maker by the drone bombing.
I have no sympathy for that Imran Khan guy as I have no sympathy for the Talibans.
I'm surprised that the United States of America still issue entry visa to Taliban lovers such as Imran Khan.
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
"Imran Khan is .. a vehement critic of US drone attacks on his country, vowing to order them shot down if he is Prime Minister", link
Will he also be shutting down the al-Qaeda and Taliban secure bases that are allowed to freely operate in northern Pakistan, under the protection of the military and security services (ISI), the same people that provided accomodation to Bin Laden?
AccountKiller
Also some cheap treatments that could save your life and health, much less wealth, may not be available in the US. I've run into 25+ years late for first class stuff.
FTFA: "The State Department acknowledged Khan's detention and said: "The issue was resolved. Mr Khan is welcome in the United States."
Its the job of customs and DHS to vette people for entry. It sounds to me like the system worked. They interviewed him, determined he was not a threat and that was that. What is the problem here?
Point out a case in the past 20 years where it has happened in the UK, Australia or New Zealand. Doens't have to be this bloke and 20 years is a huge length of time, so it should be easy-peasy, right?
Right?
They split into two. One half lost a war to the Germans, and eventually replaced the crazy emperor with several crazy emperors and insane popes. The other lost a war, very slowly, with what over time evolved into the Islamic caliphate.
Perhaps I'm bad at seeing abstract patterns, but I'm having trouble translating that into a viable plan for the US in the 21st century.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
And that was no different from Abu Hamsa being exported to the USA for what HE said.
Or are you going to demand that Abu Hamsa be released and allowed to return to the UK?
Right, and whose fault is that? It's the peoples' fault for being dumb enough to be placated by bread and circuses and continuing to vote for the same people
It's the "fault" of the establishment for failing to provide adequate education on good (i.e. responsible) citizenship. Fault in quotes because the establishment has no incentive to educate the masses as long as no external pressures exist (like, for example, every other country surpassing the US in individual wealth).
I don't give a damn if he's a cricket player or not. Drone strikes are working in eliminating terrorist leaders. If Pakistan's citizens and the Pakistan government wanted them to stop, then they would take care of the problem themselves. Instead they allow them to hide in civilian areas and corrupt government officials are harboring them. The U.S. will destroy them before they can strike again. 9-11 changed the rules and now the terrorists want the U.S. to "fight fair". A big F.U. to anyone who gives a crap about how this Pakistani feels.
We would not have to.
Let me get this straight. Authorities have the right to detain somebody with diplomatic immunity over something he said about his position on drone strikes, but we are not supposed to have the authority to detain UN staff trying to interfere with elections?
Watch us do it anyway.
Imran Khan is the same ethnic group as the Taliban, Pasthun. While he was running for political office in Pakistan he attacked the West and criticized Pakistani's who were Western as "Brown Shahib".
The man who has father a number of illegitimate children, claims to be a good Muslim, needs to be deported back to Pakistan. Why would somebody so anti-western be allowed to live in the West?
He got to miss Sandy too. Sounds like a net win to me ;-)
I'm an American, and this pisses me off. This is so obviously stupid. We should not detain someone just because they disagree with us. We shouldn't even question them... There was NO reason to stop him getting on that plane. He was no threat to the plane, to the people, or to the country. Everyone can clearly see that this is just stupid.
My fellow Americans... Pony up.
Write your representatives.http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
Write your Senators. http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
Hell, write the President. http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
Please write and say... "Please stop being Stupid." Mention this incident. Keep it simple. Keep it polite.
"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else." --Churchill
Casteism
Don't forget what they did to Cat Stevens... Singer of songs such as "Peace Train" and "Moon Shadow" and hardly a man of violence. They put him back on the plane because he ad
True, but it's also the people's fault for allowing the establishment to get away with it. Remember, at one time, we used to have adequate education on responsible citizenship, at least for a much larger portion of society than now.
It's not much different from Germany in the 20s and 30s: they used to have a strong, educated society, but then they allowed a bunch of maniacs to take power because they were mad about some economic problems, and then they did nothing while the maniacs ran amok or worse, helped them with their evil schemes. We don't have concentration camps just yet (except for Gitmo), though our prison-industrial complex is starting to look like that but without the gas chambers (dead prisoners can't be used for cheap labor), but there's a lot of parallels there.
/the thing is that Slashdotters, let alone myself, represent a very small subset of the population. And believe me, I don't vote, but a lot of other's do, and I suspect if nobody did it would be Bush @ Florida all over again just to propagate the machine.
Pakastan? Srsly? Is that near Indaa and Afginastin?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
According to the story title, that should be Pakas.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."