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White House Must Answer Petition To 'Build Death Star'
EdIII writes "The White House petition to secure funding for building the Death Star has garnered over 25,000 signatures, which means the White House must officially respond. I can't wait to see it. My question to Slashdot readers: what modifications would you add to the proposed Death Star? Obviously, as one journalist put it, 'guardrails around any of the facility's seemingly endless number of bridges, spans, shafts and pits.' What other changes would you ask your representatives to make?"
No more shafts leading directly to the core, please.
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Clearly, we should make sure there is adequate shielding around all thermal exhaust ports. They may only be 1.5m wide, but you never know when some womp-rat bulls-eyeing farm kid in a snub fighter will show up.
is why we have the Electoral College.
They don't actually *have* to respond, just because there are the required number of signatures. They've ignored many of these petitions, most recently those petitions regarding state secession following the November elections.
so people finally realize that all the space fantasies they grew up with are simply not possible
People do realize that, idiot, it's just that most people aren't autistic like you and don't take this kind of thing seriously.
...it is ADA compliant.
We already have one. Where did you think all the money went?
-Obama
It just helps the White House trivialize other petitions. We are fast becoming a nation of idiots, who don't value our rights. There are so many good petitions and then we have this. Should it even be on Slashdot? It should get a curt, "No Comment" from the White House. 25,000 idiots.
Access shafts smaller than 2 meters No straight runs on access shafts that are for core ventilation Tractor Beam generator disables requiring multi-person authorization Cameras on the prison levels Better training of security staff A 5 fold increase in garbage compactor speed and no main airlock opening until the garbage has been vented into space. Defense turrets around the power core Decentralized power generators
"What, our Debt Star isn't enough? Don't try to out-greed us, peasants."
Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
Following the logic of many of today's politicians... It would be the end of our recession! Everyone would be employed!
Ouch. I hurt my sarcasm bone.
A drone.
... and maybe more star while we're at it. Really, the previous death stars haven't caused enough of either.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
n/t
Jokes going to be on you, and probably the people who thought they were kidding by making this request, if the white house pulls out a real death star made from nanorobotics and AGI they developed in secret. While it can be argued this stuff is far off, it really can't be argued that it's impossible. Short version of nanorobotics is this: You make one nanobot (atomically precise robot the size of a blood cell with manipulator arms for moving atoms), it can then make a second, those two can make four, those four can make eight and so on. Being a million times smaller than human scale machines, they would move a million times faster, so you'd end up with trillions or more in a day, more than enough. Nanobots could make vast structures of atomic precision, controlled by massive amounts of nanocomputer based AI. Building a death star would be as easy as ordering a happy meal. Along with things like eternal life spans (heat death, big crunch, etc. permitting), no diseases, no aging, omnipresent crime prevention, etc. I doubt anyone would actually build a death star if they could, except to say 'gee, look at this cool thing I built' but certainly not impossible.
"...I think the Microsoft hatred is a disease." - Linus Torvalds
Those X-Wings weren't flying very fast and the targeting couldn't hit them with lasers! Lasers travel at the speed of light and you couldn't hit a target moving less than the speed of light? Definitely gov't contractors that built the targeting system.
While you're at it, some ID requirement and checkpoints into vital area like the shield and tractor beam controls. Maybe put at guard or an alarm whenever some vital system like the shield is disabled.
And DirecTV for UFC fights. When your entire company of troops gets distracted by a light saber fight, they're just saying they need better entertainment. A firing range would help the troops relax and maybe just maybe help them hit targets with their laser rifle.
We need the ability to take control if the vessel is somehow taken over by terrorists. Or at least disable it.
How about an override switch?
Right. People like Stephen Hawking and Elon Musk. They're just dummies that haven't thought about it enough, or maybe they're just not good with numbers or technology. Why would we even consider the possibility of leaving this rock if we can't manage more than a year or so off-planet right now? Obviously you're right, it's impossible, and everyone else is wrong.
Or just maybe petitioning for a Death Star has absolutely nothing to do with seriously considering the possibility of living somewhere other than earth, and it might be possible. If you listen to some people much smarter than you or me, possibly even in our lifetime.
Beyond that, why so angry about people having dreams of space? Take a deep breath.
QuantumApostrophe, is that you?
I think Disney should (t least partially) fund such a project ;-)
I know the holodeck is from Star Trek but hey, if we are going to do this right, a holodeck is necessary.
I've always said English was my second language. Had Romeo and Juliet been written in C, I might have understood it.
the only possible future for the human race is in space.
Ok then. What possible future for the human race is there.
There is a short one for sure. Stay here until life can no longer be supported on this planet. After that it is either be many places of extinction.
Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
Randal: A construction job of that magnitude would require a helluva lot more manpower than the Imperial army had to offer. I'll bet there were independent contractors working on that thing: plumbers, aluminum siders, roofers.
Dante: Not just Imperials, is what you're getting at.
Randal: Exactly. In order to get it built quickly and quietly they'd hire anybody who could do the job. Do you think the average storm trooper knows how to install a toilet main? All they know is killing and white uniforms.
Dante: All right, so even if independent contractors are working on the Death Star, why are you uneasy with its destruction?
Randal: All those innocent contractors hired to do a job were killed- casualties of a war they had nothing to do with. (notices Dante's confusion) All right, look-you're a roofer, and some juicy government contract comes your way; you got the wife and kids and the two-story in suburbia-this is a government contract, which means all sorts of benefits. All of a sudden these left-wing militants blast you with lasers and wipe out everyone within a three-mile radius. You didn't ask for that. You have no personal politics. You're just trying to scrape out a living.
What else can happen when an unstoppable force collides with an immovable object?
Do you have any idea the tons of additional weight guard rails would add to ship of that size? Even the death ray has to be in an unshielded corridor to save weight and cost. Look, when you do the math you can't even afford armored grills over exhaust ports.
Imagine if we had a true democracy where everyone had a vote on everything.
We would not have universal healthcare, we would have universal Lamborghini Aventadors.
Of course we would have no roads to drive them on since that funding would go towards universal ice cream.
Good thing corporations and rich people set our policies and not Occupy Wall Street dead beats.
And so we must construct the Death Star as a purely defensive weapon to protect the good people of the USA. Given the expense of of this operation, in the next few days, I will sent to congress a proposal, raising the debt ceiling limit to 20 gazillion dollars and that we finance the construction of our American Death Star with the sale of the new "Homeland Security Bonds." Rest assured, all contracts will go to American defense contractors that employ American workers.
With your help and support, YES WE CAN defend ourselves from this latest Alderaanian threat. Thank you, good night and God bless America.
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The official response should look something like this, I imagine:
No.
The rules say that the White House has to respond, not that they have to do it.
Let q be a radix > 1. I am in ur base-q, killing 10 d00ds.
This has to be one of the most retarded excuses for a petition I've ever heard of, and yet, it received enough votes that someone in the white house has to waste time finding some way to give a serious answer? What... the... fuck... this is so incredibly dumb I don't even know what to say.
or maybe just a gigantic "back off" mudflap.
Gotta put safety kill-switches on the inside that don't actually get compacted or pressed by the compactors itself or any of the trash. Something that requires intervention by a human who accidentally finds himself trapped inside during compaction-time.
They already have covers on the chutes that lead to the trash compactors to prevent humans from entering. Presumably if the service door inside the compactor is open for legitimate maintenance, there's a lockout to prevent the compactors from activating. If criminals wouldn't blast open the covers to illicitly gain entry, then there wouldn't be humans caught in the compactors.
Safety switches inside aren't going to add much real safety, but will be a source of maintenance headaches.
I would insist on a system of gravity credits to offset the damage its presence does to all of the planets in the solar system when it moves about. Then we can feel good about all of the earthquakes and floods since we have a warm fuzzy pocket full of empire responsibility that we can trade amongst ourselves.
Oh, just hire a roofer to nail a piece of plywood over it! Better yet, "space-plywood"!
They should add a button on their website "I don't approve this petition".
Exactly like my grand-grandmother, who died convinced that we never went to the moon because "that's just impossible".
No, the short version of nanorobotics is that nanorobot power supplies are constrained by the laws of physics, like power supplies (ever notice how many bacteria thrive by eating metal and rocks for their primary energy source? yeah, me neither. i can't even get my laptop to last all day on one battery) or communications problems (how can a nanorobot know where it is relative to what it's building? deduced reckoning? how can it talk to its controller and accomplish its task without getting drowned out by trillions of other nanorobots in the communications cross-talk?) or basic materials science (what materials can have atoms gingerly placed next to each other by robots for assembly and still hold up even under the stresses of a death star's own gravity field, to say nothing of travel) or any one of a number of obstacles. Not that these problems can't be ameliorated or worked around in a variety of contexts to achieve a variety of interesting goals eventually (e.g. arbitrary lifespans for carbon-based lifeforms such as ourselves), but "ordering a Death Star as easily as ordering a happy meal" being permanently impossible *is* something I can comfortably argue.
Besides, "omnipresent crime prevention" is pretty dystopian when you get down to it.
That will be the real exciting fight to see in Congress. I propose that the Congress folks duke it out in a no-rules laser sword iron death cage rumble, to decide which state can add to their license plate, "The Death Star State!"
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In the words of George Carlin, "We are a war-like people".
Flippancy is great - it is our inbuilt and natural coping mechanism in a world that frequently presents us with events beyond our ability to manage, thereby allowing us to retain our sanity. But, sometimes, we need to take a step back and allow ourselves to realise the full severity of them.
After today's tragedies, shouldn't we be talking about ways to stop death, rather than joking about ways to cause it?
(Semi-caveat: I don't mean to sound like a harbinger of doom and gloom. It's just that I have two beautiful girls in the room above my head, and as a result I feel so deeply for those who have suffered the ultimate tragedy today)
My guess is that the White House is going to respond a little bit seriously and call out the Outer Space Treaty as a reason why we can't create a Death Star. Or maybe if they respond around Christmas they'll show several LEGO Death Star kits they've purchased and donated to charity and call the task completed. [Nothing in the petition asked for a FULL SIZED Death Star, after all.]
</pitiful-rant> !
Perhaps they could use these as a blueprint.
"Be grateful for what you have. You may never know when you may lose it."
There's only one thing to do!
We need the Rebel Alliance!
Send the petition to the Chinese and see how they react. It's not like they'd actually think we'd believe that Kim Jung Un is the sexiest man alive or that the Australian Prime Minster knows the end of the world is coming.
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Why don't you do us all a favor, and put your logic to your own computer.
200 years ago they were impossible, so that means right now you feel they are impossible. Just get rid of it. Get offline. None of this is real, you said so yourself.
Oh wait, you're just a hypocrite. How about you also ignore the parent poster, get even more angry, and just have a heart attack and die already. The world would be a better place.
And when it does get blown up, as we all know it will, would it be too much to ask for a more colorful explosion? I mean, what a letdown it was to see, especially the 2nd 'improved' deathstar, just white sparkly balls of light. (Might want to bring in the Grucci fireworks family here as an advisory panel.)
Wow good job. I know this petition is a joke, but this is the US. It's gonna get taken seriously, and it's gonna get built. We're the USA and we want the biggest and the baddest weapons. Or it won't get taken seriously and they'll build it out of spite.
...not to give the plans to a woman (with a cute little robot that beeps and looks a bit like a washing machine)
People need to be allowed to "get silly" sometimes, especially when bad things like this happen. It's a defense mechanism. Right now I can hear those 2 little girls running around, laughing and stomping the floor enough that some other tenant would make a noise complaint. To me it's the sound of happiness, and the world needs more of it. This star wars story allows slashdotters to let off some steam in a wacky way, and it's really not such a bad thing. :-)
I feel a great disturbance in the fibre.
Why doesn't someone start a petition that's actually useful, like, I dunno, repealing the stupid 2nd amendment or something?
What would be the point of building a space station with a planet-destroying superlaser when all live on the same planet as all of our enemies?
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Why even have a central core at all? A distributed power system (hundreds of smaller reactors throughout the structure instead of one big reactor at the core) would completely eliminate that vulnerability and improve power uptime through sheer redundancy. An attacking force would have to destroy the Death Star piece by piece instead of blowing up the main core all at once.
Maybe you should organise them all with redundant interconnects; lets call it a Beowulf cluster of these....
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After today's tragedies, shouldn't we be talking about ways to stop death, rather than joking about ways to cause it?
Countless people die every single day. If we had to stop having fun and talk about how to prevent death every time someone died, we'd be incapable of doing anything else. But I guess the only people who matter are the ones who are most visible; all the nameless, faceless people in other countries don't matter.
Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
Exactly like my grand-grandmother, who died convinced that we never went to the moon because "that's just impossible".
That's no moon...
Any insufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology.
It will be a big moon size money pit!
That's no moon...
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Proverbs 21:19 It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman.
Somebody doesn't understand how tides work. Are you a Pierson's Puppeteer?
I'm guessing that wasn't on their radar screen...
What would be the point of building a space station with a planet-destroying superlaser when all live on the same planet as all of our enemies?
Actually the plan has already been approved and funded by a 'specially secret Congress vote, construction's halfway complete... You do raise an interesting point though. Nothing can be done about it now, you see. The Evil Empire has a really strong lobbyist group...
How about strong encryption for the data network, so that it can't be hacked by a simple R2 unit?
But, I wanted socialized health insurance!
Life seems to do pretty much all the things you're concerned with well enough.
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Randal Graves: [talking about the second Death Star] A construction job of that magnitude would require a helluva lot more manpower than the Imperial army had to offer. I'll bet there were independent contractors working on that thing: plumbers, aluminum siders, roofers.
Dante Hicks: Not just Imperials, is what you're getting at...
Randal Graves: Exactly. In order to get it built quickly and quietly they'd hire anybody who could do the job. Do you think the average storm trooper knows how to install a toilet main? All they know is killing and white uniforms.
Dante Hicks: All right, so even if independent contractors are working on the Death Star, why are you uneasy with its destruction?
Randal Graves: All those innocent contractors hired to do a job were killed - casualties of a war they had nothing to do with.
[notices Dante's confusion]
Randal Graves: All right, look-you're a roofer, and some juicy government contract comes your way; you got the wife and kids and the two-story in suburbia - this is a government contract, which means all sorts of benefits. All of a sudden these left-wing militants blast you with lasers and wipe out everyone within a three-mile radius. You didn't ask for that. You have no personal politics. You're just trying to scrape out a living.
The Christian Right is Neither (Christian nor right). See: Matthew 23, Matthew 25, Ezekiel 16:48-50
Is there any better response the white house could give than a simple NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
'Access shafts smaller than 2 meters'
"Given that the average person is 2 meters tall (give or take), and adding the bulk of hard-vacuum capable work gear, making maintenance access shafts smaller than 2 meters would cause a lot more problems. I'd recommend, instead, putting a locking/securable cover or grate over entrances and exits of access shafts."
I find your comment confusing. Are you measuring the width or the length of the access shaft. A 2-meter wide shaft (slightly over six feet) should be more than enough for the average astronaut who doesn't eat 25 kg of hamburgers a day. Perhaps you're thinking of the shaft as a tunnel that you would walk through, your body perpendicular to the walls of the shaft? But in space, which I presume is where we'll build the Death Star, you should be able to glide thru the shaft, your body parallel to the walls.
There were probably about as many boats capable of making the cross-atlantic voyage as there are craft capable of delivering payload to space right now: not that many. But just as we did there, we'll make more of them, and then more efficient ones, and then one day people will look back and wonder "gee, I wonder why they didn't get out here a thousand years earlier. There weren't *that* many technological hurdles..."
Watch for Penguins, they eat Apples and throw rocks at Windows.
In the Ewok battle, it was AT-ST, NOT AT-AT that bit the dust. (AT-ST two legs, AT-AT four legs)
Oh and this is CLASSIC Sci-Fi, retold countless times. Hugely advanced civilization sends soldiers in high tech suits to conquer planet after planet, final result: they lie dead as primitive humans dance around them, arrows sticking out of the advanced battle suits joints. A version is in War of the Worlds, the unstoppable enemy killed by the sniffles. The story is good, problem is that Lucas tried to funny it up with slapstick action. Had it been portrayed as brutal combat, it would have gone better but then he would have been accused of being racist with the whole noble savage idea.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Every single cell has a complete blueprint of the entire thing. Which makes it slightly difficult if you want to keep some of the design classified...
Help I am stuck in a signature factory!
It is circular logic because of kiddies like TFAFalcon, he acts like a child, then complains about being treated like one, so he acts like a child and gets treated like one.
This idea has been tried around the world and all have the same flaw, the number of signatures is WAAAAAAAY to low and with no cost. See the election of Kim "Let them eat grass" Jong Un by the Times reader poll.
Kickstarter works because a vote for a project carries a price. It would be MEANINGLESS to take a free vote as measurement of how well your product will sell. It is well known in MMORPG's that people claim to want to play game X but when it comes to actually paying for it, they don't.
I wonder how many people would have signed the death star petition if they had to give their real identity AND pledge to pay for looking into a possibility of a Death Star with a tax increase. Because that is what they are asking for right?
How about all those secession petitions actually be legally bound to move to a state that was going to secede even if it was some poor state that couldn't survive on its own for a day? Wanna bet far fewer people are willing to put their money were their mouth is?
We have the same thing in Holland and it has become glaringly obvious that people who submit and sign for things are NOT willing to pay for them, or be bound by them or do anything else then feel morally superior for signing things they know are impossible.
Wanna bet the Times person of the year election would NOT have been messed with if it could be arranged that all those who vote on a leader, have to go live there? No consequence makes any poll worthless because people lie their ass off in them. Hell even in real elections people lie to the world and themselves. They might want a better world but vote for the mortage (Dutch tax law allows mortages to be deducted from taxes, a gigantic subsidy on housing and an easy vote winner for anyone who says they are not going to touch it and leave it hanging over the economy like a sword of some greek guy I am to lazy to google) and then bitch the government didn't listen to them. They did, they just heard "we voters are morons" and treat you as such.
Voters have power but no accountability. What is it about power without accountability again? Anyone?
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
And it is called the Sun.
With 6 degrees of global warming by 2050, we don't need a fantasy planet destruction machine.
We already live in one. I call it western industrial society.
Cryonics - Keep cool and carry on.
Intimidation. Duh.
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A cafeteria. With dry trays.
The very last thing you want is the designer coming back 2 decades in the future, remodeling everything that you started to like about it and replace it with blinkenlights.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
We need a UN declaration for that now? I guess as usual people are way ahead of the UN.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I'm more worried about global stability with a device like this. What's the logical reaction by anyone who feels threatened by the US? To ensure they got retaliation capability no matter what. Now, Russia certainly isn't in a threatened position by this. No matter where you plant that doomsday ball, the country is large enough to ensure ample warning time to start at least a few rockets. Even China should be safe.
Iran isn't quite as big.
So such a device would force Iran to develop an automated system that strikes back even if nobody is left alive. Now please answer me, do you want Iran to develop such a system? A system that autonomously decides whether or not to strike?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Uh... you may want to ponder this suggestion again. Especially considering how tides work.
Hint: high tide isn't just when the moon is on your side. It's also when it's on the opposite one.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Just put fly-screens on the trenches and you'll be good.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I'd be more concerned if you turn it ON and it does turn ON. On you!
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Ok guys, who left the door open and let the Furry in?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Ever thought that this MIGHT have been in the interest of the Empire? I mean, that these two space cowboys fail?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
But isn't that just a symptom of what's also happening in the government? Politicians vote for all manner of expensive programs (both corporate and social welfare), but don't vote for taxes that would pay for them. Are they personally then stuck with the debt that accumulates? Or do they get to spread out the responsibility to the entire country?
And you might consider them a special case, since they were elected. But let's look at their accountability for the promises they make to GET elected. Many politicians make a 180 on many subjects as soon as they get into office. And who are they accountable to? The most that may happen to them is that they don't get reelected in a few years. Imagine if we had trials for people that break election promises, with the jury composed of everyone that voted for a person. I'm quite sure that would solve problem of people not voting.
*start sarcastic derision*
'Starfleet Command'? No wonder the Borg kicked yer sorry tail around so easily.
What do you mean?
I mean this:
You have to Nuke the U.K. From orbit.... YESTERDAY,if not sooner.
Already too late. Bend over, Rover. [pro tip: lube your rectum liberally]
Expect British, Scottish, and Irish ninja-Jedi to have already infiltrated, and you should anticipate being buggered by a Fish-N-Chips-munching Jedi-Leprechaun who is juggling a kilt clad sheep...playing bagpipes, whilst dogging on a haggis-packed London Tower and 4-leaved-clover-stuffed London Bridge...at the SAME time.
'so'?
So what?
Sows his seeds?
Sows plant seeds?
Sews his socks?
so what?
*Samuel Jackson in 'Pulp Fiction'*
"English, do you speak it?"
[...]
"Say 'what' again, m***********!"
Perhaps 'saw' is the word you're seeking. *sigh... stupid git..*
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Many bacteria use metal reduction as its way of obtaining energy, in fact, and also obtain these metals from rocks, so... yeah, your point about bacteria seems false. (Iron, sulfer, selenium, sulfate, nitrite -reducing bacteria all exist.)
It worked during the Cold War...
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I object to Intellect without Discipline.
Yea, I figure you are just arguing to argue. By that reasoning, I could say a plane is impossible as no living creature can burn energy that fast to reach those speeds. Nanobots don't need to eat metals and rocks for their primary energy source, they can burn Oxygen and Hydrogen in the atmosphere, or many other materials. Atoms don't get placed gingerly next to each other in nanofabrication, they are chemically bonded through mechanosynthesis, and can easily sustain their own gravity. Consider Earth, which is mostly not chemically bonded, especially not chemically bonded diamond (one of the hardest and most rigid compounds), it sustains it's own gravity fine as do larger planets. So no, if you are basing your opinion of it being impossible on these things, I would say you can not. Well logically you can not, not that people are logical most the time.
"...I think the Microsoft hatred is a disease." - Linus Torvalds
Give the contract to Apple. That way the X-wing fighters have to agree to give 50% to the store, and besides, think how cute iDeath Star will look in gift shops.
Exactly! What a waste of time and energy. As long as we continue to focus on building ways of destroying ourselves, we will never make meaningful progress.
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What would be the point of building a space station with a planet-destroying superlaser when all live on the same planet as all of our enemies?
Well, the space station should have enough room and life support to keep all members of congress alive for many years. Oh, and it will create jobs. And when it is done, the problems of an economy will vanish (along with the rest of the planet).
And once the planet is destroyed, you'll have a space station inhabited (almost?) entirely by people holding law and MBA degrees... Coming to think of it, I think the people left behind are the lucky ones.
Uh, CCTV so sensitive departments can not be overtaken by someone barging through a door or transporting dangerous prisoners without being followed the whole way? Jeez, take a dang lesson from Target.
This is a hacked account, for which the owner can not be held responsible.
Despite being ridiculous, it will get exactly the same amount of consideration as every other idea submitted through that site.
or else!