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With 128GB, iPad Hits Surface Pro, Ultrabook Territory
noh8rz10 writes "Holy moly! iPad gets a heavyweight sibling, clicking in at 128GB. This places it in range of storage for Surface Pro and ultrabooks. It's clearly targeted at the professional market, as the press release cites X-rays and CAD files as reasons. Should Microsoft be afraid? Methinks so. Best part, pricing is growing by log 2. Just as the 32GB version is $100 more than the 16, and the 64 is $100 more than the 32, this new version is $100 more than the 64!" Update: 01/29 16:00 GMT by T : Here's Apple's announcement itself.
This is great, time to up the ante!
Because the amount of storage is the only things that's different between an ipad and an ultrabook...
Besides content consumption, that is...
Apple's own site shows the specs still topping out at 64GB...
Yes, you read that right, it has something called a 'USB' port, and an 'SD' slot which can be used to upgrade the memory at will..
why the hell is this on slashdot? Seriously - I love apple products but this is ridiculous.
A:) It was inevitable that Apple would bring out a 128GB product
B:) I fully believe Ipads are eating into ultrabooks, surfaces and general notebook sales - but capacity is not why! Convenience is why.
Ultrabooks and notebooks still have their uses and are NOT comparable to Ipads. The only thing people have been questioning is if their usage really requires the limitations (size) of ultrabooks.
The surface and Surface Pro will likely fail on their own merits, just like the XP tablets from before.
Redundant article is redundant.
Really, price it out.
You can find 64 GB microSD cards for $50 (or even less).
The only difference in this ipad is the amount of flash, and Apple charges an enormous markup.
And of course, since this Apple, their icrappy idevices won't accept memory cards - they don't want you using a microSD card like many other phones/tablets.
With 128GB, iPad Hits Surface Pro, Ultrabook Territory
You get 100% of the software from the Apple App store, it doesn't take MicroSD, and doesn't have a USB port. Keep fucking dreaming but that's not an ultrabook.
OMG! The next logical increment in storage! Genius! I can't believe it! Apple invented 128GB! It'll be years before anyone else can catch up to this!
I'm waiting for the Samsung advertisement to start...this sounds exactly like someone making fun of a rabid apple fanboi. But the commercial never starts, this is really what the editors thought was the best way to announce that there's a Malibu Stacy with a new hat.
Except it's not even a new hat, its the exact same hat with a slightly larger brim.
I hope that this is an indicator of a 128 GB iphone in the future. I've held off on getting a smartphone for years because if I'm going to get more high tech gadgetry then I want it to replace my mp3 player, and 64 GB would not cut it.
the deuce you say, sir!
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128GB of RAM, thats like 5 times more then my PC has!
Logarithmic pricing or not, if you're paying a $300 premium for this version of the iPad (vs. the 16GB version), that's a seriously lousy price on flash storage; typical SSD prices these days are on the order of $180 for a 250GB SSD (and I've seen sale prices as low as $140-150). Apple's doing this with a lot of other products these days, too: the RAM on their laptops isn't user-serviceable any more, so you have to buy it built-in at hugely inflated prices.
--- Bwah?
You cared enough to post that.
Look at this way, douchebag: now Microsoft will have to come out with a 128GB model.
At least Apple is consistent, at every interaction the number of changes gets smaller (but it seems enough for their users).
In addition to their existing 128GB model that's referenced in the summary? Or do you mean a 128GB model that actually has 128GB, not 83GB plus a 45GB OS?
Back in the 90's and early 2000's We hated Microsoft and Apple. But if we were to choose who to hate most it would be Microsoft.
I would think with Apple Kicking Microsoft Butt for the past decade, we would changing our feelings. Sure we still hate Apple and Microsoft, but we just might want Microsoft to get some traction.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Because the iPod classic has a HDD and the iPad uses flash storage?
I just got Kingston 128GB SSD for my ultrabook and it was only 80 euros (around $100).
Apple Increases iPad with Retina Display to 128GB
Most users won't have a need for this much space because they just don't generate or accumulate that many files, given the sandboxed file system. "Open in another app" is a somewhat clunky workaround. But there are definitely professional uses for more space. People who need to load the iPad up with training videos, autocad files, etc. I've recently started using an app called "Scanner Pro" to quickly create PDFs of physical documents that cross my desk every day for later reference, and the more I've become accustomed to storing everything and having it in my pocket (the iPad mini just barely fits in my pocket), the more I've started to wonder about when I'll hit the limit where I'll need to think about what to keep and what to delete. At this rate, probably not for another year, but it would be nice to have years worth of these documents on the iPad ready to be called up.
I'll look at buying a new Ipad (currently have an ipad 2) when they upgrade the base model to 32 gigs.
16GB (11.5 useable) was fine 2 years ago. If you sideload any amount of video or use some of the newer games, it'll fill up too quick. (e.g. Disney second screen media sucking up 2 gigs).
Is someone feeling the pain from his Apple heavy portfolio? Looking to recover last week's loss asap?
your thin skin doesn't make me a troll
". Should Microsoft be afraid? Methinks so. "
Spoken like a true Apple fanboy! And for that sort of price it will remain an item for those with more money than sense.
Seriously though - most of my "media consumption" devices are streaming over my home network or via the cloud. If i need
portable storage - USB sticks come in very high capacities these days for a fraction of the cost. Not to forget many currently available Android devices
can be expanded via SD card or USB.
So other than wanting to be the envy of my friends (NOT!) remind me why i wouldnt spend my money more wisely?
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You can find 64 GB microSD cards for $50 (or even less).
I have a sinking suspicion that you believe this statement concerning microSD cards is even remotely relevant. Allow me to help you out: Your statement is entirely irrelevant to this discussion in the same way the statement "Hell, 64GB sticks of SDRAM are still over $300!" is entirely irrelevant to this discussion. In the future, if you wish to join the discussion intelligently, please avoid making non-sequitor and irrelevant statements. Thank you.
So can you explain to me why I'm supposed to be excited about log 2 growth in pricing for these devices?? Quite to the contrary I find it ridiculous that there are two models $300 apart and the ONLY difference between them is the storage capacity. You can almost buy a Nexus 10 for the price of extra storage on that iPad. Better yet, you can buy a tablet or laptop with an SD card slot for half of the iPad and increase and swap out storage as you please.
Furthermore, given the move to online storage and streaming media why would you need to jump to 128GB over 32GB? That's not a big enough jump to let you do anything seriously storage intensive. I can't think of too many applications where the difference between 128 and 32 will make a significant difference. You still can't store your entire movie collection on it, so you'll be streaming that. Maybe you could store your whole music collection, but why bother when Google Music makes it so easy to stream? Even if you are doing serious photo/video editing, it's not like 128GB will be enough to meet all your business needs and throw out your laptop, not to mention tablets make poor external storage devices anyway.
All around this looks like just a poor deal and I'm not sure why anyone other than fanbois would get excited over it.
Google is shipping devices with pathetic amounts of internal storage and no SD card slot in an attempt to market Google Drive as a cloud storage solution. That is the single reason why I have not bought a Nexus branded device.
I have an iPod2 that refuses to die.
The bias against spinny storage is just mindless iCult nonsense. Reality was revised by the Ministry of Truth so that the masses don't realize that they're being conned.
More storage on a 10 year device from the same company?
double plus unpossible!
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
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When the iPad can run all native Mac OS apps and contains a complete desktop environment... When they stop inventing new proprietary connections and provide a USB 3.0 port... When they provide some form of SD card support be it Micro to full... Only then will I compare an iPad to a Win 8 Pro tablet. I'm not saying it won't happen, but Apple needs practice what they preach. We hate Microsoft because they don't follow standards and yet Apple gets more and more proprietary every day :(.
128GB does not a better iPad make!
What are you talking about? IOS size varies but it is less than 1 GB on all devices.
They co-own some of the flash factories. The buy flash in massive volumes. They are not losing any money on the top upgrade and making a killing on the lowest upgrade.
Great! We now have tablets that have 100+GB of Storage, my question is who really cares? There are really three camps when it comes to computers, the mobile ( aka tablets ), The portable ( aka laptops / ultrabooks ) and Desktop Computing. Who wants to blur the lines? I don't see a real case where I want to use my playbook or iPad as my laptop, in the same way I would NEVER expect my laptop to act in the same capacity as my desktop. Each stage has a certain power level in terms of computation ability and they don't blur well at all, I simply can't do the same work across them and I'm okay with that. So now that we have 100+GB tablets who cares? I still can't use my tablet for what I can use my laptop for and I can't use my laptop for what I use my desktop for.
The whole point of Surface Pro is to actually develop apps on it, its a hybrid device that is a little tablet and a little laptop. Only stupid people think that iPad with 128gb of storage is intended to compete with Surface Pro, or Ultrabooks for that matter.
Until Apple allows the iPad to support content creation (true content creation, not the limited "hold your hands" approach to content creation that it currently has), then I don't think anybody should confuse iPad in the same market as Ultrabooks, or the jack of all trades Surface Pro.
I haven't thought of anything clever to put here, but then again most of you haven't either.
I dislike Apples products. That's all.
You're just jealous.
At some point Apple will keep Microsoft's heartbeat going, just like Microsoft did for Apple, pre return of Jobs, to fend off busybodies in government who wanted to be heroes in anti-monopoly attacks.
Oh wait. Chrome and Android exist. n/m. Sucks to be Microsoft.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
The bias against spinny storage is just mindless iCult nonsense.
I own the rMBP I'm getting 450MB/sec which is faster than many good quality spinning RAID systems. I'd love to have more space, and I'd prefer something like the fusion drive. But no it isn't just mindless iCult nonsense.
How is this modded Informative? The parent is clearly making a joke at the Surface's expense. iOS doesn't require even remotely that much space.
If you're gonna troll for Microsoft, can you at least TRY to not be so pathetically transparent?
Really, price it out.
You can find 64 GB microSD cards for $50 (or even less).
The only difference in this ipad is the amount of flash, and Apple charges an enormous markup.
And of course, since this Apple, their icrappy idevices won't accept memory cards - they don't want you using a microSD card like many other phones/tablets.
Yes, the markup on extra memory on iPad might seem exorbitantly high, until you factor in that this is not regular memory like you get from Samsung and others, it is memory handpicked by virgins at full moon specially for your iPad.
It may have equivalent memory, but it's still the same old crappy ipad, with locked in ecosystem.
You can find 64 GB microSD cards for $50 (or even less).
How much does Microsoft charge for an ExFAT license in order to be able to use microSDXC cards?
bullshit. its relevant because if they put $3-$10 of hardware on there, it could accept sd card and has the form factor to fit the slot and you could put cheap memory in.
Not in the slightest. I actually do own 2 Apple TV 2's, but they're jailbroken running XBMC. My step kids both own an iPod touch. I just think the way that Apples interfaces and the way they do things sucks. If I really wanted to I could afford to buy their stuff, but it just sucks, so I don't.
Then maybe they can add a keyboard that clam shells up against the screen, you could set it on your lap then, what would we call that...hmmm... laptop!!!
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
OP is talking about Windows Surface, where Win 8 or Win RT eats up a lot of storage.
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So a 1000$ iPad with 128GB storage. So overpriced with limited storage for a Ultrabook...
A more apt comparison might be that I just bought a Samsung Galaxy S 3 for 50$ (plus 3yr contract of course), and spent 60$ to put an additional 64GB microSD card in it. I got the cheap 16GB version so I *only* have 80GB of storage. However this has been available for about 7 months now, not currently not released.
I would guess this trend will only continue to get bigger/better. I broke the chains to Apple a week ago, and that is one of the reasons why.
Another reason why? Well an ultrabook usually runs a real processor, not a mobile one (well a mobile version of a real processor). By that I mean something made by Intel or AMD, not Motorola, VIA, designed by ARM, or called A#, or Snapdragon, etc...
It is a stupid comparion. Its just a mobile device with more "apple" memory than they have allowed in the past. Considering two 64GB microSD chips cost a grand total of 120$ retail, one can see how Apple makes its money with such high margins.
128GB should be enough for anyone.
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Otherwise they wouldn't be doing this...
Good luck find games/apps (outside the ones on Cydia) that work with a PS3/Wii/generic wireless controller.
Why can't games that use a gamepad just be redesigned to use touch screen swipes as buttons so that you don't have to carry a console's proprietary Bluetooth gamepad?
If anyone really cares about having lots of storage (and yes, I realize some people may) then you just plug in more storage. $300 for 128 GB? You are being ripped off.
Take the modern approach, luddite, and it will become much harder for people to rip you off. And the modern approach is to "ride the wave" of ever-increasing consumer electronics value, by not buying your storage bundled with your computer. Bundling storage with computers is almost always a ripoff, and the prices being discussed here shows that Apple's tablets are no exception.
Get the biggest SD card you can find or need (which will definitely be less than $2.34/GB) and use that. Then if you ever outgrow it, buy a newer/bigger one and take out the old 128 GB one and put that in your camera or phone or whatever.
If by some weird circumstance your tablet doesn't let you use SD, then it's time to get a new one. I have heard that the early iPads were a bit "challenged" but surely that's no longer the case, isn't it?
What the hell any of this has to do with ultrabooks, I can't imagine. That's a totally different market and a certain number gigabytes of storage does not define it, regardless of whatever Intel's (or whoever) marketing is telling you. If you want a tablet then no ultrabook is acceptable. If you want a full-fledged OS or a keyboard, then no tablet is acceptable.
There's a reason God invented ssh
Then God must be imperfect, as ssh doesn't work when no Wi-Fi signal is available.
I can take my ~90GB music collection with me everywhere I go.
But how much of it can you play in a month if the carrier gives you a monthly data transfer allowance only in the low single digit GB? Say you stream at 128 kbps; that's about 1 MB a minute. Using it an hour will run you 1.4 GB per month, which is more than half of the 2.5 GB that Virgin allows before they throttle you to 256 kbps for everything for the rest of the month.
So what you meant to say was you dislike Apples tactics? If that's the case then we agree. Their products are not bad.
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K
But the real mass tension and widespread dislike of Apple didn't start on /. until Android.
The HTC Dream, the first Android phone sold to the public, arrived a couple months after iOS 2. This release introduced the App Store, which brought with it three restrictions that run counter to the free software movement. These are Apple's requirement to pay $650 for its own version of UNIX plus $100 per year just to run your own programs on your own device, Apple's restrictive and initially secret guidelines for what kinds of program will be allowed, and Apple's arbitrary and capricious interpretation of said guidelines. So it might not be Android fanboyism by itself as much as a reaction to the restrictions of iOS application development.
The bias against spinny storage is just mindless iCult nonsense.
I own the rMBP I'm getting 450MB/sec which is faster than many good quality spinning RAID systems. I'd love to have more space, and I'd prefer something like the fusion drive. But no it isn't just mindless iCult nonsense.
...and you need 450MB/sec on an iPod for what exactly? (I know you didn't say iPod, but GP did)
Flash storage has it's places, and fast disk access is one (very useful on a laptop that is rebooted frequently; random access is good for desktops). It's good on tablets and such not because of speed, but because of reliability. You can drop it and the heads won't smash against the platters. It's also good for size reasons (it's not a 2.5" drive in there). All that said, I'd like to see spinny storage options on some tablets and iPod sized devices... that is the part we've been conned out of, and conned into thinking that, if you need > 64gb storage, the next step is 128gb of flash, and that's the max. Why not pop in a 2.5" drive at that point?
If they introduced an ipad with twice the ram and an iOS update with a more multi-tasking-friendly UI I would be impressed. If Apple added an external storage slot, I would be tempted. But bumping up the internal flash from 64G to 128G and charging $1000 for it? Sorry, in this heavily networked world that's almost completely worthless.
-Matt
The person is confusing personal preference for an interface (dislike) with the product actually being bad (sucks).
The iPad is just like an ultra book, let me log in to my user account on my iPad ... Oh.
Maybe I'll install steam and play some Crysis 2 ... nope.
How is it like an Ultrabook again?
And still, you can get an Intel 120GB solid state disc for $120. So I am not too impressed by the logarithmic price scale. All but the last step are very far from being reasonable.
I refer you to my original post.
lets take this a step further:
Apple - costs way more, cant run ANY workstation app, storage is not expandable, lacks built in work stacks for any development internally (external SDK's have to be run on a PC), and have to install only software approved by apple, provided by apple, and supplied by their store.
Surface Pro - install any x86 software platform software currently available, expandable storage, has attachable keyboard (debatable on quality) SDK development can be run on device and tested, install from any external source (including usb)
Ultrabook - swapple HDD/SSD, most even take mini or micro SD, will run x86 software, will even install *nix.
i dont see how apple can even pretend to compete when they dont offer what the others have been doing for years...
I get the impression all companies just want to invent new devices in order to sell low spec hardware and work their way up to something we should have had in the first place.
The pad is just becoming a laptop with a detachable keyboard and smart phones are just getting ridiculous. The fact HTC can consider selling a phone accessory to a smart phone says it all really. I'll stick with the MacBook Air if I want a small portable computing device. It'll do everything I want better than a tablet.
I hope surface is good and does well. If so we all win. Nothing is better in tech market than competition.
And from a user's point of view the interface IS the product.
This is a sig. This is only a sig. Had this been an actual sig you would have been informed where to tune for more sigs.
I'm not excusing the ridiculous pricing, and I don't know this for a fact, but presumably the built in flash is vastly faster than SD flash. It would take you pretty much forever to fill up most 64 GB SDHC cards. Speed isn't everything, but it can be important.
SD, even SDHC, is pretty much slow as molasses. SDXC looks like it will FINALLY have reasonable speed.
Completely agree that Apple not including a MicroSD slot is lame beyond belief.
I'm not sure why I was modded informative either. My first point was the AC I was replying to was too thick to read the summary and realize the 128GB iPad was in response to the 128GB Surface Pro, so Microsoft will not "have to come out with" a 128GB model. My second point was that in spite of already having a 128GB Surface Pro, it's limited to about 83GB after the OS and other stuff that comes on it, whereas the iPads typicially give you much closer to the amount of storage they're sold as having.
In my opinion, the iPad is overpriced for what it does anyway, and the only real advantage of the Surface Pro is to run x86 programs - but even that is a niche because it's competing against less expensive laptops/netbooks with the same level of portability and some even have touchscreens. I'll happily stick to my Nook Color with Cyanogenmod for my tablet needs.
Dude. Will you please STFU about SD memory? 10MB/s memory sucks powerfully. Slow and cheap memory is slow and cheap. Maybe Apple doesn't want to crap up the iPad the way their competitors obsessively add crappy options to their products. Just a guess.
And from a user's point of view the interface IS the product.
From an Apple user's point of view, perhaps. This is a nerd related site, and posters here should know better.
rMBP = Retina MacBook Pro. That's a high end laptop not a desktop.
On an iPod I agree with you, more storage space is better. I haven't upgraded in many years or even used my iPod but the 1.8" HDD with lots of storage are IMHO vastly preferable for that sort of devices where speed won't matter.
As for why not pop a 2.5" drive in at that point, size.
For what you get they would be expensive at half the price.
Flash storage is superior to disk for 80% of applications, and I say this as an IT guy with a bias against apple. Try running 3 VMs on a single hardrive, first spinning, then flash; THEN tell me that its "mindless nonsense".
What really sold me was realizing that a $15k SAN loaded with drives hits about 5% of the IOPs of a $200 SSD, and about a third of the burst throughput.
So the iPad can run x86 code now?
No?
Does it have a pressure sensitive stylus now?
No?
So all this story is about is extending capacity that I can achieve with a $40 USB dongle on the aforementioned devices?
The iPad plugs into USB for power and connectivity just like all your other devices.
If you want to claim the other end of a USB cable is any kind of "standard" I've got three or four different micro-USB plugs to show you. Cameras generally seem to use one, hard drives a few different ones...
I'm also guessing at this point it's easier to find an Apple USB cable if you need one than some types of Micro-USB.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I don't know of many laptops supporting 30 inchers at either 2560x1600 or 4k resolution...
All Apple laptops support high resolution external monitors.
The Macbook Air (generally least graphically powerful Apple laptop) was supporting 2560x1600 on an external display way back in 2010....
Any of the modern Apple laptop line with thunderbolt should be able to manage a few displays at that resolution, or one big display if you wish.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Because Samsung for sure seems to NOT want to make an enormous markup in giving Android users devices with more then by now EXTREMELY low memory amounts. Try and actually GET an S3 with just 32GB or hell a Note 2 with say 64GB. They do exist, in Korea but they charge a GIGANTIC premium for them 1000 dollars for the Note 2 64GB version. But they can't actually produce enough of them to be sold around the world.
Basically, Apple charges LESS then its competitors and actually SELLS the devices in shops. I don't like Steve Jobs as much as the next guy but Apple has been winning on this ground for a long time.
Try this for amusement sake, some MP3 players are targetting the uncompressed market, which makes music files GIGANTIC but deliver their devices with 16gb memory. Pure music players (so no fancy screens) starting at 600 dollars and up to a 1000 but with 16gb memory. One 700 device can also ONLY support 64GB max with SDHC cards because in a high priced device, the device can't support more with its address space.
In the mean time, Apple has been selling large capacity devices as an option constantly and easily available. They only need to add multi sdhc (iRiver device has it but again, such a low base memory you need it to be able to store more then one album on it in RAW format) support and everyone else can just as well go home.
Really, as you say, you can sell 50 dollar memory for a 100 dollars. SO FUCKING DO IT ALREADY! SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!
It is the one reason I think PC's will remain with us a long time. Apart from intel with its stupid netbook rules, you can always add what you fucking want after buying it.
16GB is NOT enough for everyone Samsung.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
but a 64 GB SD card is less than $50.
The desire to not have ignorant users like yourself gimp the iPad with slow flash memory is why Apple does not have an SD port. Come to think of it, that is also why GOOGLE is building more devices now without an SD port now also. Performance is guaranteed.
The iPad 3 had storage they can write to at up to 22MB/s, and read from at 78MB/s... the card you listed can do neither of those things as quickly despite the 50MB/s claim on the front.
If you really want to attach an SD card to read movies or media from just buy a camera connection kit and attach it to the iPad that way.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I just bought a Samsung Galaxy S 3 for 50$ (plus 3yr contract of course)
What do you mean, "of course"? The longest I had heard of for any phone was two years, and that to me was just on the edge of acceptable. A three year contract is insane with technology advancing as fast as it is, and they will keep locking you into three year commitments with every upgrade.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Can you do more with an ultrabook? Sure. But it also doesn't have the high tech "clip board" advantage of a slate touchscreen like the iPad. Tablets are revolutionizing the medical industry because they are lightweight, easy to carry around and can be operated in vertical mode. An Ultrabook is just not conducive to doing anything more than sitting it on your lap or desk. Is this iPad expensive? Of course, but then again so is EVERY product aimed at the corporate or medical world, companies know they can get away with charging a premium because businesses with deep pockets will pay for it.
run almost any software ever written
Actually you can't. You can't run any of the 300k apps written specifically for the iPad, or the millions more iPhone apps that exist. Just as there is a world of software the iPad cannot run, there is a world of software you cannot run. Only the iPad has the more modern software being written today...
type on it with physical feedback (and backlit keys)
Yeah we can do that on an iPad thanks.
attach USB flash drives to it
Camera connection kit on an iPad.
backup an entire disk image to external media on a USB 3.0 port
backup an entire disk image to external media on a USB 3.0 port
Backs up just fine on any computer via iTunes.
upgrade or downgrade the OS
You can do both (downgrades a bit more work).
upgrade the SSD, upgrade the webcam
Should have bought decent parts to begin with.
play legacy games
You really have not looked at the iPad software market recently, have you?
If anyone still thinks their ipad is an ultrabook
I know it's not an Ultrabook. It's more useful than that. I have a real laptop for the other things I need to do.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
So, if I wanted to, I could install Android on my ipad3? Or Linux?
People buy iPads because they want to run iOS. If they wated to run Android, they would look to Apple's competitors, perhaps even Samsung.
Will this be available in all the nice colors like the new iPod Touch? I'd want those 128GB to be pink... but please make sure the earphones are still white so people who see me in the street when I listen to music know that I'm cool.
lucm, indeed.
No thanx
A 128GB SSD costs around $100. So how come a 128GB iPad costs $300 more than a 16GB one?
That's nice. The iPad doesn't do true multitasking, its a big iPhone that can't make calls. It'd never going to run 3 VM's
I love that all the discussions between the fanboys have missed the most obvious thing in this announcement. If they can add 64GB for $100 retail upcharge then they are massively overcharging for the 32GB and 64GB versions.
On top of that ultrabooks have i3 or i5 processors, not processors made for phones and tablets. They have more memory and full fledged operating systems. The iPad has a place even in business, but it is most certainly not equal to an ultrabook. A MacBook Air is filling that niche. However, the iPad could be a great secondary tool for portability in meetings and such.
Completely agree that Apple not including a MicroSD slot is lame beyond belief.
Not sure where you got your information, but Apple did indeed include an SD Card slot for the iPad. If you can't find it, it's only because they put the SD Card slot in the Apple Camera Connection Kit. See, it's better this way... because by far and away the vast majority of users wouldn't ever ever use the SD Card slot with super slowmo memory... and the arrogant minority that insist that it is an absolute necessity can purchase the accessory.
And now *I've* been modded troll. Wow, the Microsoft shills are out in force today.
It's got more storage. Whoopie. It's NOT the same quality as a surface or any real computer. We all know that, but it's not the same but it was really done just to incite anger. Let it go and just ignore the crazies like the original author.
And you can do your iPad printing via the computer.
How so? Apple's document AirPrint basics states: "Printers not listed in this article are not supported by AirPrint." The Hewlett Packard OfficeJet 4500 next to me, for example, supports Wi-Fi printing from Ubuntu, but it's not on the AirPrint list.
It appears one would have to buy a paid app in order to use a computer as an AirPrint proxy. Google airprint through pc led me to a $20 app, which I guess I'd need to include in the total cost of owning an iPad.
Flash is also immune to magnetism, shock, and a great deal harsher conditions than a rotating platter. Dust, moisture, vacuum do a lot less to solid state. AFAIK its also considered more secure, once you delete and garbage collect.
It also uses less power (and peak current), takes up less space, and allows for quicker start-up of embedded devices due to its much lower access times, and lack of any need to spin the disk up.
Theres really no significant area where platters win out on except for bulk cost-per-GB, and longevity-- and for a phone's use-case, flash will actually win out for longevity. Your anecdotal evidence aside, something with no moving parts is a LOT easier to ruggedize than something with a 7200 RPM motor, moving magnets, and small tolerances.
Title says it all: 128 GB doesn't make iPad more of a work tool
You still have to build software around it to enjoy a smooth experience. I've seen places that make very good use of tablets and storage was in no way a hold back.
I didn't say a hard drive is better than an SSD. I was pointing out your example is completely irrelevant to the topic.
Shut up for Odin's sake. If we had a nickel for every moron that believed every mundane news article about Company A meant subby was in the pocket of Company A, we could package all you twits up in a rocket and shoot you to the Moon. Apple is the biggest deal in tech right now. Does that offend you? Move to Botswana.
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I think I'll pass.
Flash is also immune to magnetism, shock, and a great deal harsher conditions than a rotating platter. Dust, moisture, vacuum do a lot less to solid state. AFAIK its also considered more secure, once you delete and garbage collect.
By "secure", do you mean "can I know when my data has actually been erased?"
FYI, mere deletion and forced-GC-via-TRIM doesn't actually guarantee the bits are gone on a SSD. It will usually make the TRIMmed data invisible through the SATA interface, but there are no guarantees. AFAIK, the standard defines TRIM as a performance hint, not a requirement that the SSD actually do anything.
Even on a drive which always garbage collects TRIMmed sectors, a sufficiently determined attacker who hacks or takes apart a SSD to scan raw NAND contents can still recover them if the drive hasn't fully recycled them yet.
Similar cautions apply to using the ATA Secure Erase command to erase the whole device. Many SSDs and HDDs implement it properly, but don't take it for granted that they do. (However, it's pretty much your only bet for trying to ensure that all spare / overprovisioned areas are erased.)
Slashdot has many posts, all about technology, science, and things that interest nerds in general.
One of those things that are indisputably technology-related, and of nerd interest is Apple, including iPads, including iPads getting 128GB of storage. No matter how you look at it, this is news, and it's *good* news.
Ok, so you don't like Apple, or iPads, or more storage, or something. Good for you! But to mischaracterize Slashdot as an Apple fanboy blog (holy shit have you got that 180 off!), or to piss and moan over a positive story about Apple is absurd. Why the hate? Why not just go, "not of interest to me, but a good story for those for whom it is of interest". What harm does it do you?
All tech is fun, even tech you don't have or don't want. I'm not terribly excited about Windows 8, but it doesn't bother me or harm me when someone else enjoys a Windows 8 tablet. It's great for them that they have something fun and interesting to them. Getting upset over someone liking something I don't like only makes me worse, and annoys the poor sods who have to listen to me whine.
Does this mean Apple is the most profitable flash memory reseller in the world?
If only it had a microSD socket, anyone could have upgraded their iPOS with 64gb microSD card. But then, how would we be able to jerk off over this revelation that only AAPL has the smarts to add it for us, brand it as a "5" and sell it after the holidays? Gosh, I hope it comes in white. Sucker born every minute. I'm sure this amazing innovation will prop their stock back up to the $700's where it belongs.
Why wouldn't they charge an enormous markup, when people still buy them like hot cakes, and beg for more?
The sole purpose of a 128Gb iPad is to be sold to people who need their iDick to be longer than anyone else's. Seeing how there's no shortage of such people, and remembering the old saying about a fool and his money, it seems priced just right to me.
Given how much you get for a few hundred dollars out of an Android tablet only the retarded pay apple premiums. Not only do Android devices compete, they often surpass in many aspects.
When you issue a "secure delete" command to the flash drive, the data is gone, and as far as I have ever heard it is irretrievable short of perhaps busting out an electron microscope.
If you want to securely erase an SSD on windows, everything I have read indicates "diskpart -->select disk x; clean all" will do it.
With magnetic platters, it is at least "in theory" possible to retrieve data from magnetic domain remnants, though that too is deeply in the "hypothetical" realm
People buy iPads because they want to run iOS.
Horse Puckey!
People buy iPads because they want to runs apps. They don't even know what iOS is. The only reason they know what Android is (and by know I mean know the name Android is associated with non Apple tablets/phones that run apps that are like the apps that run on the iPad) is because Google put the name of the OS out in front.
Right before Christmas my mom calls me asking how to do something on her iPad. After trying to walk her through the steps to do what she had requested and getting nowhere fast I asked her what her iPad looked like. She said "Oh I don't know it is just a rectangle screen Samsung iPad." 0_o
She had gotten the Samsung Galaxy Tab from AT&T
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that is also why GOOGLE is building more devices now without an SD port now also
Google is doing it because, like Apple, it can get away with it, and because it wants to push people to stream more from Google services than from local storage that is not so easily analyzed.
SDXC UHS1 cards are rated for 50 MB/s or 104 MB/s depending on spec, and you can get 256 GB cards right now. 128 GB will set you back around $100.
UHS2 spec (not commercially available yet) are rated for 312 MB/s.
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I would hazard a guess that anyone who consciously cares about user interface is a nerd.
Only the iPad has the more modern software being written today...?
You can't be serious? That is fucking hysterical. You're the epitome of the OP's ""Apple fanboys are delusional" stereotype."
Seriously. Thank you, that comment has made my day.
There are shills on slashdot. Apparently, I'm one of them.
Seriously... if you can't type over a hundred, it's not ever worth talking about.
"Power Users" expect more..,. besides, who wants to have to look down at their keyboard to type?
> Best part, pricing is growing by log 2. Just as the 32GB version is $100 more than the 16, and the 64 is $100 more than the 32, this new version is $100 more than the 64
So the best part for you is to pay $300 for a 112GB SSD ? Reality distortion got you, dude.
That's an argument for why touchscreen controls are more convenient
A convenient controller is one that ends up getting used. Only edge case enthusiasts will suffer with an inconvenient controller because it's better, and I've repeatedly been told there aren't enough edge case enthusiasts to make targeting a game to edge case enthusiasts profitable.
not to mention that touchscreen controls necessitate obscuring part of the screen while using them.
Look at the original Game Boy. The controls obscured the entire bottom half of the device. There's plenty of room on the face of a paperback-size tablet for controls.
Same reason why mouse is better than console controllers
Good luck playing something like Mario or Mega Man with a mouse. And good luck finding three games that support more than one mouse: there's Rag Doll Kung Fu and what else? The only other game I can think of is Thwaite for NES, which uses the mouse that came with Mario Paint through an obscure (but easy to build) Super NES controller to NES adapter.
more precise.
Only Bluetooth gamepads that emulate a standard computer keyboard are fully compatible with all major mobile operating systems, and standard computer keyboards are not velocity or pressure sensitive. So if a Bluetooth gamepad has an analog joystick, the app won't be able to make use of any precision exceeding that of a digital directional pad. And I'd argue that an on-screen analog joystick is more precise than a digital directional pad.
The file concept doesn't exist on iOS.
Which is probably why an element from HTML3 (let alone 5) went unimplemented for the first five years of iOS: <input type="file"> . Apple could have implemented this by introducing a concept of "object with a MIME type that an application is willing to back up or to share" even if not called a "file" to the user. So much for supporting the whole web.
The economies of scale of the mass market apply to what "everyone else" buys, not what professionals and enthusiasts buy. So professionals and enthusiasts do become frustrated at the mass market for allowing manufacturers to artificially make affordable product lines less useful for professionals and enthusiasts.
On an iPad no. It's a tablet, not a server. If you want a server, buy one.
Say I were to buy an iPad, a Bluetooth keyboard for use with the iPad, and a pocket-size, battery-powered server for use with the iPad. What such server do you recommend?
So how should one test the code that one has edited without paying hundreds of USD per year for a cellular data connection to connect to a remote server to upload and run it?
That "edge case" is the whole damn point of a computer. It is a universal information processing machine.
The average case is processing information. The edge case is specifying how information shall be processed. Human beings progressed past the stone age through division of labor, and some people specialize in specifying how information shall be processed.
The whole concept of universality is lost.
I've gathered that universality itself is an edge case, though I'd love to be shown otherwise. Can you show me that there is demand for universality among the mass market, as opposed to the subset available through iTrinkets and other appliances?
"Apple's cost per GB in NAND flash is currently around $0.55/GB. Last year it was closer to $0.90/GB," Rassweiler said in an e-mail to CNET. "So it's clear that pricing has eroded to the point that Apple can afford to offer 2X memory configurations while maintaining the kind of incremental profit margins they were making on the memory upgrades a year ago."
That means Apple's spending about $35.20 more for an upgrade that it's charging buyers $100 for, Rassweiler says. And that's on top of what people are already spending over the two other storage upgrades from the base model.
so $500 for 16gb (which is already an inflated price for the actual hardware you get) + $35.20 to 32gb + $35.20 to 64gb + $35.20 to 128gb = $605.20
the great unwashed hordes of iTards will continue to buy ANYTHING with an Apple logo on it with no regard for ANYTHING, AT ALL, WHATSOEVER. [rest of rant snipped]
You know, you could say all that without the vitriol. Next time, try "A disturbing number of people buy Apple iTrinkets as a fashion statement" and leave it at that.
It's why GM makes trucks, small cars, SUVs, vans (for people or cargo) and on and on.
Who makes station wagons anymore? Nobody, because CAFE has made the whole segment unprofitable in favor of SUVs that skirt CAFE because they are classified as trucks.
Use something else
Use what else? A 10" laptop is perfect for me, but I've had mine for just short of three years and worry about what will happen once mine finally bites the dust. The size has been discontinued because there weren't enough other people like me for whom they were perfect.
[With my X server app for iPad,] I do all that you do with a more powerful server backing my workloads.
So how do you access the Linux server at the office while away from the office? For example, do you commute on public transit? If so, how do you access the server on the way to and from the office?
one can easily ssh into the "real" computer from the iPad
Not out of Wi-Fi coverage. And not if the "real" computer is behind a home ISP that bans running servers, especially if it enforces that ban with a firewall or the firewall commonly associated with a carrier-grade NAT.
How about you get over YOURSELF, and realize that not everyone's needs are your needs?
That'd be fine if someone still made a product that perfectly fits my needs. They stopped.
It does not change the fact that on-screen touch "controllers" suck a great deal.
I agree. But does a virtual gamepad based on swipe gestures suck even in the context of a workaround for the present "lack of universal support for proper analog joysticks in mobile OSes" and for the fact that most users of mobile operating systems find carrying "proper analog joysticks" inconvenient?
The fact that other manufacturers also choose to make the retarded decision to use a non-standard USB plug
I'm not even going there. I'm saying that just going by the USB standard there are several possible connectors on the device side of the cable. Apple's is just one more de-facto standard to add to the already numerous set.
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USB comes in A, B, micro and mini.
Exactly my point! You CANNOT have just one USB cable and expect all "USB" devices to connect. So there are in reality five:
A, B, micro, mini, and Apple.
That is the reality. The other reality is that in many places you'll be able to buy one of those usb types PLUS an Apple cable. Therefore the Apple version is MORE standard because it is in fact everywhere in a way the other USB types are not.
Price is actually the stupidest possible argument you could make. Monster sells USB cables too you know... but just as you can get cheap USB cables you can get cheap third party Apple cables too.
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hatred of Apple
I don't hate Apple; I just disagree with aspects of its business model.
Why you consistently seem to think Apple (or any other brand) products has to appeal to everyone or they appeal to no one is beyond me.
In other words: "Apple products aren't for everyone." At that point, we can agree to agree.
With the 99$ dual link dvi adapter for 2560x1600.. And that doesn't make a majority of laptops. I guess this is a relatively small price vs the displays but anyway we are diverging from the original topic ;)
Actually Comcast gives me 5 globally addressable IP addresses
How much do you pay extra for that per year?
Also, the 3g network is perfectly adequate for shell sessions.
How much does access to the 3G network cost you per year? For the price of an iPad with a cellular radio and even one year of mobile broadband service in the United States, I could buy an Ultrabook laptop. If it sounds like I'm asking a lot of questions, I'm trying to express everything in the same units.
Home Wi-Fi lacks the range to be usable on public transit. Or are all developers expected to drive an automobile?
a pocket-size, battery-powered server for use with the iPad. What such server do you recommend?
Mac mini Server, of course
So what make and model of battery do you recommend to get a few hours of development and testing time out of a Mac mini server while riding a bus? But by now, you're just using an iPad as an external display for a Mac, and you might as well skip the iPad and buy MacBook Air or one of the Ultrabook laptops that compete with it. This defeats the premise of the article.
Good interface and nerd status should not be mutually exclusive, but since I've been computing and working with nerds for 30 years now, I should know better.
And every one of these is an open standard, unlike Apple's dock connectors.
To the consumer, the only thing that matters is availability. Anyone may be able to build a USB micro cable but in the end just as many people are making and even more people are SELLING the Apple cable.
That is the TRUE definition of a standard, is that it is widespread. It may be a proprietary standard but it IS A STANDARD BY DEFINITION.
Even worse with the newest connector which even has a digital lockout chip
Well if you are just going to pass along Apple Hater speculation bullshit why even bother typing? How do you explain the existence of non-licenced third party lighting cables (of which several are out now)?
But, you know, go ahead and rationalize your enjoyment of your $30 cables
Mine came free in the box and the extra ones are all far cheaper than that, AND I can buy them in more places than I can get more obscure USB cables. The last Apple capable USB cable I got was handed out free like candy at CES. See how easily you get simple facts wrong when you make stuff up?
the vast majority of any handheld electronics devices not-made-by-Apple in the past 3-4 years have used micro USB.
Nope. Cameras all mostly use mini (the ones I have all do).
Nice try but you are WRONG AGAIN.
If they have a brand-new piece of Apple hardware, they're SOL.
Or they could go into any corner store and get one since you are such a hater as not to carry any. I carry a universal USB kit with multiple adaptors to attach to a cable with me at all times so I can help people out. What a shame you have to be such a troll about it.
I'll let you have the last word as I cannot subject myself to your level of ignorance any longer. You have indeed, gone Full Retard and I cannot follow you down the path you are tumbling down by choice.
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Another "me too" product from Apple, hooray.
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Technically, the 128 GB NAND storage is 50% faster than the 64 GB. It helps to boost performance during streaming or transferring big files from the cloud.
Your ultrabook would still fail at administering a remote server while you were on an extended backpacking trip, and even if it had 3g it would run out of batteries.
My iPad charges beautifully from my SunTactics solar panel.
I guess the question is, does the dollar amount paid for an object determine the utility of said object, or are there other considerations?
For me, having a small, light computer with lots of battery life and 3g data is important enough to justify additional expense, especially if it frees me from having to be within reach of Wifi to get to a shell prompt. An Ultrabook might have 3g but it can't charge with any promptness from such a small light solar charger, nor is it as small or light.
Your ultrabook would still fail at administering a remote server while you were on an extended backpacking trip
For people whose Internet disconnection is limited to an hour or three at a time, such as people who commute on public transit, a laptop is better. But I was under the impression that people who are on call while away from a source of electric power for extended periods are even more of an edge case than people who use public transit.
For me, having a small, light computer with lots of battery life and 3g data is important enough to justify additional expense
But why an iPad, whose master is Apple, instead of an Android device that has you as its master? Besides, how do you still have data coverage "on an extended backpacking trip" as opposed to just voice coverage?