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NASCAR Tries To Squelch Video of Spectators Injured By Crash
An anonymous reader writes "Dozens of fans attending a NASCAR race at Daytona Speedway were injured when a crash during the last lap triggered a chain reaction, culminating in the front section of Kyle Larson's car ricocheting into the fence in front of the stands (Larson escaped injury). While the footage accompanying the article is dramatic enough, an even more riveting clip showing the chaotic scene in the stands from up close was posted on YouTube, but was taken down after NASCAR claimed it violated their copyright . YouTube has since restored the fan's video. A NASCAR spokesman has issued a clarification, saying that the takedown request was done out of respect for those injured. The race was an opening act for the main event, the Daytona 500, which officials say will proceed as scheduled. 'With the fence being prepared tonight to our safety protocols, we expect to go racing tomorrow with no changes,' Speedway President Joie Chitwood told CNN."
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So is NASCAR going to have a rash of legal suits for false takedown notices?
"Respect" is an excuse for perjury and a violation of a federal law? I should try that one if I ever get I trouble. I was just being respectful.
Oh, I forgot. The rules are different for large corporations. Carry on.
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What's a little perjury when you have someone's best interests in mind, right?
So the takedown "was done out of respect for those injured."? Yeah, we lied about owning the copyright of newsfilm of a public event, in order to CMA, we didn't want to look bad or not caring about safety, we just wanted to suppress it all, so we invalidly exploited a stupid law. Who cares? We're important and those people injured are nobodies.
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I was watching their press conference (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/feb/24/daytona-crash-fans-injured-race) and wondered why that Chit guy kept repeating how quickly and within protocol their people responded. I guess there's some question now, and they're already setting a stage for their defense.
If you watch the video, everyone's practically ejaculating as the wreck begins and more cars get involved. And then, suddenly, it extends into the spectator seating and then it's the worst thing in the world. I'm sorry for those who were injured, but there's something about that which just seems really gross. "Oh, dang Jimmy Bob John Paul Ricky Dicky Junior! Look at that amazing wreck and the cars flipping around and slamming into each other! This is what we come to see! Violence and destruction and people risking their lives potentially being injured for our enjoyment!" followed by "ermagherd, a tire! who do we sue?!".
Don't misunderstand me -- the accident looked horrible, even though it wasn't clear who was injured and exactly to what extent, in the seats and I hope the spectators end up being okay and are justly compensated. It's great that the drivers were apparently okay. It's just that, as I watched the video, something about that sort of -- I don't want to call it hypocrisy, but I don't know what to call it -- which I found kind of gross.
As a penalty the next takedown request from NASCAR to youtube should require full documentation requiring a lawyers affidavit and full documentation of ownership of all material asserted to be owned and an full explanation of the way in which copyright is violated and a $10K deposit.
Youtube may then take up to a week to process the take down request. An improper request will not remove the penalty and the deposit will be forfit.
At least I can dream.
NASCAR: "I swear, under penalty of perjury, that the information in the notification is accurate and that I am the copyright owner or am authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed."
Youtube: "Our partners and users do not have the right to take down videos from YouTube unless they contain content which is copyright infringing, which is why we have reinstated the videos."
Youtube has more or less admitted that NASCAR committed perjury by filing the DMCA claim.
Should be a slam dunk court case. Right?
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That doesn't seem fair. Everybody knows NASCAR fans can't afford a dollar.
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Automobile violence in the US has been rising at an alarming rate for the last 60 years.
Deaths by automobile are rising faster that the sun rise.
We need the President and Vice President and leaders of both chambers of Congress to come together and remove the violent and death dealing automobile from our local, state and national pathways.
There is no US constitutional amendment, clause or Executive Order that mandates an automobile for any US citizen.
Death from the automobile is not 'pursuit of happiness.'
The time has come to ... Kill the Car ... and let the people live.
Blood and Circuses.
Look, you fuckers, you can't use copyright law "out of respect for the injured", mmkay? What kind of an idiot would come out with this line for an excuse? You did not send an "I wish it were so" takedown. You sent a takedown under DMCA, and you've just publicly claimed that you've perjured yourself! Just one more reason for me to otherwise ignore NASCAR.
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Nascar should not have tried to suppress the video. If you look at their new website, it is obvious they don't know much about electronic media. The website is awful. Maybe the art of web design is lost? Surely they could have done better.
Sorry but what idiot thinks that a Chain link fence can hold back a 200mph engine block? Up to the 20' mark above the wall should be 8" thick polycarbonate with large steel beams. Problem is that NASCAR hates spending money on safety of the fans.
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Did you notice the guy shooting the video was 2 seats away from where the tire landed and he DID NOT SPILL HIS BEER. I'm not joking, check it out. That's some good redneck skills right there, man.
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Well, they can afford plenty of beer; I drink with a lot of NASCAR fans. There are NASCAR parties in most bars around here today.
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That's all very well and good, and may have even been a perfectly arguable justification for having the video pulled from Youtube (although it may have taken longer), but why couldn't they have just said that in the first place, instead of making up some copyright violation excuse? Now, instead of coming across like they actually might have even cared about the people who were hurt, this after-the-fact excuse sounds very wholly contrived, and not really a priority for them at all.
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It shocked me to learn that NASCAR tickets are more expensive than NFL seats. The more you know.
I'm undoing my negative moderation of your post to reply to your comment. In case you don't understand the context of this video, it is the final lap of the race. Everyone is excited because it is a close race with a number of cars vying for the win. Perhaps you don't enjoy watching sports, or rooting for a particular person or team to win, but most people tend to get rather excited when a long competition comes down to the very end.
For you to demean the spectators, and use terms like "practically ejaculating", simply shows me that you are detached emotionally from sporting events, which is a great source of entertainment and pleasure for a very significant number of people.
If you find spectators getting excited over a winner of an event "gross" then I advise you to not attend sporting events or view videos of them, so as to not offend your sensitivities.
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With the fence being prepared tonight to our safety protocols
Hey, those protocols were sufficient the last time around, amirite?
I was expecting to see Randy Marsh in the video.
"We realized we perjured ouselves in requesting a DCMA takedown of a fan video of a crash where spectators were injured. It made us look bad and made racing appear unsafe for spectators and would hurt our business. Besides, the video showed a lack of respect for the Women, Veterans and First Responders who may have been injured. We support and love these dedicated American Heroes who sacrifice everything for this Great Country and would undoubtedly support us in our loving, caring, selfless decision. Since he drinks beer, President Obama is probably a big race fan and I'm sure Obama and Jesus would support us in this no matter what the law says. I know Jesus would forgive us." Speedway President Joie Chitwood told CNN.
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
It's nice to know NASCAR has a copyright on injuries to consumers of their product.
Microsoft has a lot of license fees to pay.
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fair use should apply
it all happens on corporate property, but that doesn't trump the common news value
this is a dangerous precedent if corporate PR trumps newsworthiness
this is how and why western democratic ideals and freedoms are undermined by runaway financial power
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Yeah, see how much ice that cuts as soon as one of those who was injured tries to *keep* any of this footage online.
When you live in a sick society, just about everything you do is wrong.
Does not top years years 500 crash and fireball
Yes, I will even defend FOX News on this. This is absolutely newsworthy and applicable to freedom of the press. The extremely obvious reason why they want to suppress it is to minimize loss of fanship (though their fans have a pretty hardcore dedication, is that even possible anyway?) and loss of profit. Fuck off NASCRAP.
Complete with censorship and blackout
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Point taken - somewhere along the line take-down notices must have become nerdy. I just can't see why any more. Essentially anything "big brother" must have become nerdy. Perhaps we should reopen 9/11 events and spend the day discussing them instead. Get that guy Alex Jones involved. Perhaps have one of those "Ask 10 questions of..." sessions for him... etc etc.
Wood and trees anyone?
Where has all the tech news gone?
Short ints passing.
Garbage collected, every one.
When will they ever deallocate?
Sung to the tune of "Where have all the flowers gone?"
So they cheap-out on fencing that would actually protect fans and lawyer up on digital rights to protect the fans.
I'm ready for NASCAR to go alternative energy or go away.
You guys are missing something, that isn't a DMCA take down, it's youtube's in house take down system, so Nascar didn't violate the DMCA at all here, it violated it's contract w/ Google.
Yeah, because nothing says "being a good guy" like trying to render first aid to someone when you're drunk and don't know the first thing about first aid.
He should've just elbowed his way through there, grabbed a pocket knife from someone, and done surgery right there in the stands.
The whole point of NASCAR is the wrecks. I'm assuming a NASCAR ticket doesn't allow video recording, similar to an NFL ticket. If you can't YouTube an NFL touchdown, then it follows that you can't YouTube a NASCAR wreck (which, again, is the whole point of NASCAR).
The engine WAS caught in the fence. It was other parts of the car that didn't including a tire but the engine did.
So why should we take any of your ideas for consideration when you clearly don't know what you are talking about?
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There needs to be enough room between the first row of seats and the track to prevent this kind of thing from happening. At 200MPH a chunk of metal can probably skid and jump along the ground for 500-1000 feet before coming to rest, so I would say a 2000 foot buffer zone all the way around the track would probably be appropriate.
After all, we have to remove 100% of all risk from every part of life, and even the smallest risk is unacceptable. Whatever it takes, no matter how much is spent, if just one life is saved, it's worth it.
So in baseball if a fan catches a foul ball or home run ball the MLB lets them keep the ball.
Now in NASCAR if you catch a tire or engine block are you allowed to keep it also?
I have to return some videotapes...
Actually I'm not a fan - I find it terribly boring to watch. I also find football, hockey, soccer, basketball, and pretty much any other professional sport terribly boring to watch. That doesn't mean they're not sports - it simply means I'm not interested in them.
"NASCAR isn't a sport because the people who go to NASCAR events just sit there and watch," is truly a retarded statement to make - regardless of whether or not you LIKE NASCAR, nobody has ever claimed that the NASCAR *spectators* are the athletes. Analogs for them exist in every professional sport - spectators attend sporting events, and watch, while professional athletes (the drivers) engage in their sport, and - ideally - exhibit feats of sporting skill and prowess that the spectators might not be able to match.
So, why don't you tell us why NASCAR isn't a sport, when it fits the definition, and meets every criteria I can think of for something to be called a "sport"?
As far as I can tell, any "NASCAR isn't a sport" argument boils down to "I have this curious notion that redneck southern conservatives are the people who like NASCAR, and so I'm immediately superior to anybody who would like NASCAR, because I watch the Daily Show and the Colbert Report, and those shows have taught me that the only real sport is being a condescending douchebag to anybody who likes something I don't like."
Well looks like you both got it wrong. The average weight of a NASCAR car is about 3400 lbs. Secondly there is no power steering on a NASCAR car. Power steering robs horsepower and adds weight. At 200 miles per hour, it does indeed take muscle to control the car, as well as quick reflexes. This isn't like a Sunday drive to church where you can be half asleep.
Professional sports at the upper levels priced them selves out of the market years ago. Same with live concerts. I really don't know how they get so many people to pay so much for so little.
"He's lost in a 'floyd hole"
You realize it's contradictory to say they priced themselves out of the market, and that they sell a lot?
In fact, a lot of concerts could easily price tickets much, much higher, and still sell out. They have cheaper tickets to give their less wealthy, but devoted enough to be the first in line, fans a chance to come.
An almost infinitesimal chance of personal injury will pull more fans to see the races. Danger is exciting.
LOL you have never been to a NASCAR race then, while races attract all types, there is definitely not a lack of money at the events. I highly recommend going to a race, they are a blast.
I'm on to you. You just want me to get hit in the skull with a massive NASCAR tire.
NASCAR will do and is doing the right thing by these fans I'm confident. This isn't the first time fans have been injured at events, although it does happen infrequently. Simply stated, the catch fence for the most part did it's job and kept the car on the track. The engine block and a wheel could be seen on the spectator side of the fence where the failure occurred. The fence was repaired (although the gate from the track to the stands was not replaced, but removed) for today's Daytona 500.
I'm sorry, but the drivers exert a lot more effort than that - since it's only the spectators who show up, sit, and sweat, I tried to assume (generously) that he was talking about the spectators.
As someone with an inkling of the effort and skill required to steer a car going 170-200mph through tight turns while surrounded by multiple other vehicles doing the same thing within inches of your vehicle for hours on end, I guarantee that you could not, as you are today, successfully compete in a NASCAR event - without extensive conditioning and training.
Guess what, champ? Kickers are not wide receivers. Drivers are not nose tackles. That doesn't mean they're not engaging in a sport - different athletes train & excel at different aspects of their sport. If all it took was a driver's license to race successfully, there'd be a lot more successful drivers out there. The amount of stamina & strength (as well as reflexes and critical thinking) required of a driver go far beyond what you imagine is required.
You have no concept of what's entailed, and since you have no concept... you assume it's easy. We have a term for that around here, but it's usually applied to managers.
All you are viewing is the Roman Circus syndrome, but the difference is that these drivers (Gladiators?) accept the risks and get paid for it. I'm not sure I see your point on the spectator's attitudes. Of course, they are excited and are only expecting to be 'spectators', not participants.
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It was an empty can. He needed another beer and the wait was so long that he pacified himself by holding onto the empty one.. *suck suck*
Have you fscked your local propeller head today?
As a NASCAR fan it shocks me as well. Since I cant get tickets to a football game for under 60 bucks yet I can go to a NASCAR race for 35 (cheepest tickets to pocono and a jets game)
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A NASCAR spokesman has issued a clarification, saying that the takedown request was done out of respect for those injured.
Aka, A NASCAR spokeman admitted they fraudulently claimed copyright in issuing a DMCA takedown request.
Wait, no one care? But but but, safe haven and all that!
Oh, screw you, taking my ball and going home - Burn Rome to the fucking ground, barbarians!
As someone with an inkling of the effort and skill required to steer a car going 170-200mph through tight turns while surrounded by multiple other vehicles doing the same thing within inches of your vehicle for hours on end, I guarantee that you could not, as you are today, successfully compete in a NASCAR event - without extensive conditioning and training.
As someone who has done that for short periods, and other auro-based activities for much longer than the average Nascar race, I would assert that you are wrong. Pay my entry fee into a race, and get me in a car, and I'll prove you wrong. Oh yeah, as was my point, that's impossible, not like football, where if I claimed I could kick a 60 yard field goal, we could check that in 5 minutes or less.
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I don't know but they have really gotten batshit on the pricing. when I was a teen i went to concerts almost weekly because you could easily afford to, now tickets in the nosebleed section often run close to a hundred bucks.
And is it just me or is anybody else having trouble with YouTube not buffering worth a shit? I go to speedtest and it consistently shows I'm hitting 20Mbps and all the other video sites load and play perfectly but for the past week or so YouTube has stuttered like its on dialup no matter what res I set the video to. I have asked those around me and they are all seeing the same thing, I get told "Oh thank God I thought there was something wrong with my PC" but I've tried 4 different PCs and the results are the same, stutter city. So I am just curious if others are seeing this or if its only in my area.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
while races attract all types,
Yeah, and they like both types of music at the bars near NASCAR tracks: country and western.
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I can torrent, play online games with no lag and stream netflix all at the same time with my 50mbps connection, but youtube is spotty at best even when it's only one PC on in the house. So no, it's not just you.
It isn't just you. My internet speed is actually quite low but YouTube pisses me off to no end. Trying to switch to a lower quality video often makes it load even slower! I wish people would stop using it. It isn't good anymore.
Racing is more mentally draining than anything else. In my younger days, I used to do some illegal canyon racing, and I have to tell you... After a 20 minute run, I was brain dead. The amount of information you have to process while trying to keep your car on the road is killer.
Yeah, I realized that when I wrote it. More accurately is they have priced themselves out of my market. The funny thing is that I have way more disposable income now than I ever have, even counting as today's lower value dollars.
"He's lost in a 'floyd hole"
haha, even if correct funny you use yahoo answers, all sorts of rubbish in there. anyway, even in the 1980s about a quarter of the cars had power steering.
Canyon racing is more mentally draining than Nascar racing would be. With courses, especially longer ones, you not only drive, but navigate, even if you have a navigator. With Nascar, you turn left, followed by 399 more lefts. The mental aspect is almost completely removed. Unless you are winning, you don't even get to pick your own line. Instead you focus on the feedback of the car. Is it drifting neutrally, understeer, oversteer, brake fade, brake performance improving with use, and all the other changes are what you fill your brain with in oval, and its almost boring. I get more thrill in my morning commute, but then I'm on a motorbike in a place where lane splitting is legal.
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This is your ISPs way of 'encouraging' YouTube to "partner" with them.
As in, YouTube should pay to remove the occasional latency issue that only seems to afflict their videos.
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Why all the fuzz, you know stuff like this can happen during a nascar race, it's also the reason why a lot of people like nascar.. yes it's a sad that a few fans got hurt, but making such a fuzz about it is stupid..
It's a running joke on the interwebs that the adverts on YouTube load faster than the actual content.
60mbit down for me and they stutter.
Tracert says my ISP has a direct connection to Google.
Torrents say I download 5 megabytes a second.
YouTube is fucked.
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Oh good, I was afraid it was just me or that there was something off in the last patch Tuesday that was making YouTube suck. I've asked a dozen friends and relative scattered all over the state on multiple ISPs and they are all seeing the same thing, YouTube WAS working okay then a few weeks ago it started going downhill and now its all stutter city. The bitch is I can load a half a dozen videos from multiple sites and have ALL of them ready to go before YouTube has buffered enough to even let me play a music video without stuttering like crazy. Nothing more irritating than trying to look up a song only to have the thing sound like a CD playing while bouncing down train tracks.
I have to wonder if this is why I'm seeing more and more videos that I click on being hosted on BlipTV instead of YouTube because its gotten bad enough that if I click on a link and see its YouTube I just close it, the stuttering has been so damned bad its really not worth the trouble.
And maybe I'm wrong, not a JavaScript or streaming video guy, but it feels like YouTube just "dies" for want of a better term. you can leave the video paused and it STILL doesn't buffer for shit, the damned thing just sits there doing nothing. Its really fucking irritating when I have all this bandwidth and YouTube acts like I'm on fricking dialup.
One final question, does anybody know how to block ACs WITHOUT blocking real users, you know, the ones that have actual UIDs? preferably something that works in Chrome? Because i'm really getting fucking sick of all the batshit crazy ACs that act like if you dare say ANYTHING other than "Gee, isn't product A great in every way?" that you MUST be a shill for somebody else. I've been using YouTube since before Google even bought the damned thing and it was ONLY in the last month or so that service really started going downhill, before that? it buffered fine, vids loaded quick, i had no complaints.
But the ACs can blow Google or Apple or MSFT or anybody they want but if a product starts sucking ass I AM gonna call them out on it and YouTube is sucking some serious ass right now. When I could literally download an entire fucking movie on BT faster than I can get the damned trailer to load on YouTube? Something is seriously broken with YouTube.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Already thought of that but I've talked to multiple people with multiple ISPs all across the south and it seems they are ALL seeing the same shit, at least in this area. In my home town I have relatives on all 3 ISPs and none of them can watch YouTube and we can ALL load multiple videos by anybody else and have half a dozen download and play before YouTube has even buffered enough to play a single movie trailer. There is something funky going on at YouTube.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
This is just a reflection of the general culture of large corporations to hide anything that is bad for business.
They call this a crash involving crowds - it's nothing compared to the 1955 LeMans disaster. There's film of most of a Mercedes 300 slicing through the crowd like a scythe. Mercedes withdrew from all racing for many years after this happened. No one ever tried to censor the footage of the carnage.
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I don't know but they have really gotten batshit on the pricing. when I was a teen i went to concerts almost weekly because you could easily afford to, now tickets in the nosebleed section often run close to a hundred bucks.
And is it just me or is anybody else having trouble with YouTube not buffering worth a shit? I go to speedtest and it consistently shows I'm hitting 20Mbps and all the other video sites load and play perfectly but for the past week or so YouTube has stuttered like its on dialup no matter what res I set the video to. I have asked those around me and they are all seeing the same thing, I get told "Oh thank God I thought there was something wrong with my PC" but I've tried 4 different PCs and the results are the same, stutter city. So I am just curious if others are seeing this or if its only in my area.
My thought is a weird one, but here 'goes:
Since the notification of MarkMonitor going live today (2/25/13), people may be making the transition from 'torrenting to just listening to their music of choice on YouTube. The slowness kinda started once the news came out and really killed streaming starting about Saturday.
Not to be off-topic, but I was wondering the same thing so... There ya have it; my crazy, weird thought. :)
If you look at the footage right before the accident, you'll notice that there appears to be a double fence door right where the impact occurred. It seems to me that the fence did it's job just fine, but the door itself failed.
It's a running joke on the interwebs that the adverts on YouTube load faster than the actual content.
Running joke or not, that's the truth of it.
NASCAR fans are among the most loyal to their sponsors which is in part why the sport is so popular with them. They shell out a lot of money and will even switch brands when a favorite team/driver switches.
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
Really bad call there with that takedown of this video. I used to be a big fan of NASCAR racing until I began to realize that it is the last sports bastion of the good old boy white mans club. Don't get me wrong, I'm a WASP just like you,but, do you see a single black person in the video? When was there ever a black person driving or even in the pit crew at a Winston or Sprint Cup event? Are NASCAR dads inherently rascist? Is this the reason Republican candidates in elections can only win with the jerrymandering of voting districts? Also, what's with all the Toyota (Japanese) cars in NASCAR today. I thought NASCAR was an American sport! Oh right!, the red south is against unions like those for Ford or Chevy cars. Guess the hatred of unions is enough to let in the riff-raff Japanese mfgrs. What's next, Russian cars?
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The site of gushing blood has a remarkably sobering effect. And the ABCs of first aid aren't exactly rocket science. which is why they're called ABCs ("Airway", "Breathing", Circulation").
Oh, it's only an AC. So we'll never know if he keeps his first aid certification up to date. I do - it's a required part of my employment (and I've had to put it into use on a number of occasions).
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Or, just possibly, there were already dozens of people crowding around the injured people, and adding one more drunk asshole to the mix would have been pointless.
The best thing you can do, in a "first aid" situation where you're drunk and unqualified, is to get the fuck out of the way and let the people who are sober and qualified handle it.
As far as "gushing blood having a sobering effect," - BULLSHIT. That gets you "sober" like a cup of coffee gets you "sober" - which is to say, not at all. They don't let doctors work drunk, and there's a good reason for that.
You might want to check this out:
http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/13kmvd/have_time_warner_internet_but_can_barely_stream/
Just saw this, and now Youtube is loading 10 min 1080P videos in sub 20 seconds.
I was expecting to see Randy Marsh in the video.
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