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Hands-Free Or Voice-Activated Texting Not Safer
Meshach writes "A recent study (PDF) detailed in the Washington Post verifies that using hands-free or voice-activated texting is no safer than texting with your hands while you are driving a car. Using a handheld device to tap out a text message while driving has been banned in many states and provinces. From the article: '"One of the common comments was that they felt an inclination to look down at the screen to see if it heard them correctly, so that could be one possible explanation of why they were not looking at the roadway more frequently," Yager said. She said drivers said they felt safer when using voice-activated texting than when entering messages on a keyboard. "Perhaps it is because they view it as safer and therefore it must be, but still they have this inclination to look down at the screen," she said. "We found that their driving performance suffered equally with both methods." As has been proven in studies of cellphone conversations, Yager said drivers engaged in any form of texting were distracted by the communication effort.'"
In response to a big push by LEO in CA on the cell phone laws, I recently got one of those dorky 90's dash mounts for my phone. it's great because the phone is pretty much in my line of sight, but it's still distracting to activate the voice sms dictation. So I would say it's MUCH better than doing it by hand, but still not as good as not doing it!
My hands free reads my text back to me after I speak it and then asks for a confirmation.... That *should* be safer as I am not looking at the device...
If only there was a way to communicate in real time, via 2 way voice...
Someday.... someday...
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Texting, eating, makeup, reading the paper, whatever you're doing is irrelevant if you're not watching the road. Dee.
So is talking to a passenger as distracting as talking to a hands-free cell phone?
if only because you are looking at the road instead of looking down at your screen. it isnt actually much safer because you are still being distracted from driving... but it still is technically safer.
Studies have shown that bluetooth headsets make no difference when it comes to preventing accidents. The cause is clear, just sit in a car during an in-car conversation and simulate a near accident by stomping the breaks hard without provocation.
All talking stops instantly and stays stopped during the entire perceived danger. Granted, you may get bruises for freaking everybody out, but you'll understand the point:
Conversations in a car will never the be the same as a conversation happening with somebody outside the car. People driving with you inadvertently "help" you in a crisis by pausing in their communications during a crisis situation.
Interestingly, there's a small percentage of people (around 15% or so) for whom talking on a cell phone has no measurable effect on their driving. These are people with the ability to interrupt the conversation flow, saying "just a minute" or simply ignoring the conversation altogether during a crisis.
If you want training in how to do this, I'd recommend getting a pilot's license. While getting even a basic private license, the number of things you are expected to do precisely, concurrently during takeoff/landing boggles the mind to a newbie coming from a car. You are commonly expected to be manipulating radio controls, rudder controls, Elevator controls, and Aileron controls concurrently while watching a half dozen instruments and chatting with some guy a mile away in a tower.
You figure out quick how to ignore him when something unexpected happens!
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Is to place heavy fines on any one caught driving while in possession of a mobile device.
Just think of the added revenue!
I'm amazed we survived for so long without texting while driving. Whatever will we do if it becomes illegal in any form? Oh the horrors!
Studies have shown that bluetooth headsets make no difference when it comes to preventing accidents.
I am pretty sure you mean "Studies have shown that talking on bluetooth headset is less safe than talking to passengers in the car"
Bluetooth headsets still make all the difference in preventing accidents, because using one is far safer to as compared to holding the phone up to your ear and driving with one hand.
Yet another poor quality study.
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"Studies have shown that bluetooth headsets make no difference when it comes to preventing accidents."
citation? I thought not.
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All they need to do is pass a law prohibiting any sort of distraction in the vehicle. Sunlight, fog, rain, snow, children, radios, cell phones, pagers, books, newspapers, makeup, bad days at work, bad days at home, sun visors, allergies, bodily functions, passengers, etc. etc. Once all the distractions are outlawed, there will never be another accident on the road ever again, proving that the government can indeed regulate us to safety! -------- There really needs to be a "sarcasm" font....
Even the "driving with one hand" is BS. People will make all sorts of excuses, but A) A huge percentage of the people don't drive with both hands even if they are not doing anything else at the same time. B) People driving stick shifts can't keep both hands on the wheel any better than someone on a phone.
What did cyclists, pedestrians and other drivers think?
The surviving ones, I mean.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Why not just phone? if they're not there, leave a message. I must be missing something...
"The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes" - Winston Churchill
In other news Seat belts and airbags made users feel safer and drive recklessly. Lets ban seat belts and airbags!
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Voice, bluetooth, text, handheld, hendsfree, VoiceToText.....screw you.
As someone who is waiting on a (too small) settlement check for my destroyed vehicle, all I can say is put the fucking phone away and drive the damn car.
Texting teen blows a red light at 60, and I'm lucky the only thing destroyed was my vehicle. I am still vertical and breathing.
Hanging upside down from the seatbelt, covered in broken glass was not the way I wanted to spend the afternoon.
If everyone drove "wrecklessly", then we wouldn't have any problems. :)
I agree with the parent, reaction time is only a single measure of driver "effectiveness". I can't help but wonder if we are asking the wrong questions in these studies. A better study would compare the accident rates in locations that have hands-free/no-text laws with those that don't.
One study by the Highway Loss Data Institute indicates a slight increase in accidents after no-texting laws are introduced. One possible explanation is that with the new laws, drivers continue to text but with the phone below the window sightline, causing the driver to look away from the road for longer periods of time.
Exactly the opposite result as the law intended!
Piloting a plane while talking is very different than talking when driving. For the specific reason you point out - you are trained to engage in specific conversations with specific people using a specific language. When things get difficult, you shut up if at all possible.
Same with Police, Fire, Ambulance drivers - you have a limited, scripted set of tasks.
It's not the random babble with bog-knows-what that constitutes random phone conversation.
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Right, they're looking at the screen and it defeats the purpose of voice activated hands free. I use Siri for quick texts while I'm driving. "Tell my wife I'm on my way." Siri says something about sending a text and "Ready to send it?" "Read it." Siri reads it back. "Send it." If Siri is having a deaf moment, I'll leave it alone until I get to a red light or I'll pull off the road if needed. Like condoms for birth control, voice activated hands free is only safer if done right.
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we survived precisely because of lack of texting while driving. our days are numbers DOOM I say DOOM, and it will all begin because of a acne covered teen driving while texting in a Burb Beater.
there I think I covered it all.
A bunch of citations in Wikipedia's section about it.
Quoth http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199702133360701#t=articleResults:
We observed no safety advantage to hands-free as compared with hand-held telephones. This finding was not explained by imbalances in the subjects' age, education, socioeconomic status, or other demographic characteristics. Nor can it be explained by suggesting that those with units that leave the hands free do more driving. One possibility is that motor vehicle collisions result from a driver's limitations with regard to attention rather than dexterity. Regardless of the explanation, our data do not support the policy followed in some countries of restricting hand-held cellular telephones but not those that leave the hands free.
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We are very bad at multitasking.
The only question that is important, is this: is that text message really more important than the life of some kids or even your own.
Privacy is terrorism.
Conversations in a car will never the be the same as a conversation happening with somebody outside the car. People driving with you inadvertently "help" you in a crisis by pausing in their communications during a crisis situation.
Even more than that, an abrupt pause in the conversation from the driver or a loud noise will prompt the person on the other end to ramp up their level of distraction: "OH MY GOD ARE YOU OK?! WHAT'S HAPPENING?! WHY AREN'T YOU TALKING???" and try to compete for your attention at the most crucial moment.
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When there's a serious traffic issue, I don't even have the ability to say "just a minute". My brain locks in on the road, and about a minute later, I say, "I'm sorry, I had to deal with traffic. What were you saying?" I just assumed everyone's brain worked that way. It's part of the basic fight-or-flight response programmed into pretty much all higher forms of animal life. When you sense danger, you freeze and you focus on the situation at hand.
Who are these 85%, and taxonomically speaking, which kingdom are they classified in?
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A) A huge percentage of the people don't drive with both hands even if they are not doing anything else at the same time.
Yeah, I usually drive with one hand, but that is only until I need to show a turn signal (or actually turn). That's when you do need the second hand.
Why would anybody think it would be safer? The safety issue in texting is not the hands leaving the wheel (although that is problematic but a separate issue). The safety issue is driver distraction. If you are focused on what you are texting versus driving, then your inattention is what creating the safety issue.
Similar studies have shown that talking on the cell phone hands free is also only marginally safer than holding it in your hand while talking. It's simple math - at 70 mph if you are distracted for 1 sec, you have traveled 102 feet. Multiply that by multiple distractions and it's not hard to see how distracted driving is a serious problem.
http://www.techradar.com/us/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/bluetooth-headsets-don-t-make-driving-safer-976296
Look it up in the font of all wisdom: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phones_and_driving_safety (referenced studies).
People in general probably think handheld use is significantly more dangerous because legislators are not scientifically literate
and pass half-measures legislation.
Remember, common sense is neither common nor sensible. And 90% of conventional wisdom is wrong <= Including this.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
That's when you drive with your knee.
The whole 'hands free' thing went through our company, and is still the safety policy - you may NOT talk on the phone while driving without a hands-free set.
This is, simply, asinine.
The point of distracted driving isn't (mostly) about what's in your HAND. It's about being...distracted, ie your mind on something other than driving.
Not to mention, I can't count the number of times I've been in a salesman's car, his phone rings, and the dumb sunuvabitch starts rifling through his console trying to find the hands-free thingy while racing along the highway at 70+ mph.
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Bluetooth headsets still make all the difference in preventing accidents, because using one is far safer to as compared to holding the phone up to your ear and driving with one hand.
I drive one-handed naturally anyway, unless something untoward happens. Which I assure you if it did, the phone would go flying and both hands would be on the wheel in the same amount of time as if the phone hadn't been in my hands. At least before. Now to comply with the law I do in fact have a bluetooth device.
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Yeah, I usually drive with one hand, but that is only until I need to show a turn signal (or actually turn). That's when you do need the second hand.
I usually just turn with the heel of my palm if it's especially sharp and signal with my left hand which is the one on the wheel anyway. If you're sufficiently dextrous, you can also turn by twisting your wrist and snapping it around to grab the wheel to continue the turn. Harder and harder the older you get though.
If only there existed some way to send voice messages directly. That way you wouldn't be distracted by having to look down to see if the voice-to-text app parsed your speech correctly. You could send a recording of your spoken message directly to the recipient. We could call it, oh I dunno, "voicemail."
Seriously the chaos over this reminds me of in our town. Everyone is trying to squeeze onto the double-yellows (parking at the side of the road on areas where it's actually been marked as not permitted, which is typically a £60 fine if anyone ever checks) after 6pm on an evening when at that time it's well publicised that the car park a ~20 second walk away is FREE. Everyone is far too lazy and impatient. I get that things can be a bit of effort sometimes and that life can be a bit of a rush. But it's not a gargantuan effort. Either case takes like 20 seconds. Pull over and then text!
My hands free reads my text back to me after I speak it and then asks for a confirmation.... That *should* be safer as I am not looking at the device...
My girlfriend would text me often when I was on the road, so I looked forward to Siri's integrated voice system so I could hear the message while driving. Overall it works well but does become more distracting than a simple phone call in some cases.
So here I am driving and get a text message: First, I need to ask Siri (I'm sure there's similar issues across platforms) to read message and HOPE it can pronounce everything right or there's a temptation to read it on the screen. Then, I wait for the question if I want to respond. I say "yes" and wait for Siri to ask for my message. All this time, I'm concentrating on hearing the prompts.
Next, I dictate my message and HOPE it understood what I was saying. (Note: I do have a bluetooth handsfree built into the car so at least I'm not holding it in one hand up to my face while driving. Although, this probably doesn't work as well as speaking directly in phone). If it repeats wrong, then I have to say "cancel" or "change it" and then wait for the prompt again. This time I concentrate more on how I pronounce everything. If all goes well, then I finally can say "send it".
So something that could be handled in a 10 second phone call now took 30+ seconds of dictating and concentrating on what the phone is saying to me. I can see how this could be just as bad.
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... especially with my voice activated dialing. A usual exchange:
Me: "Call Beth Mobile."
Phone: "Call Meg?"
Me: "No"
Phone: "Call Karen?"
Me. "No!"
Phone: "Call Susan?"
Me: "NO! Who are these people? I don't even know a Meg, Karen, or Susan!"
Phone: "Try again."
Me (speaking slowly and over-enunciating): "C-A-L-L B-E-T-H M-O-B-I-L-E."
Phone: "Text Virginia?"
Me: "AAARRGGGHHH!!!!" (Picks up phone, switches to recently dialed numbers, and clicks my wife's entry.)
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how about these.
I actually read the article for once and it was just SIRI, VLINGO.
IMHO, this link here to android mirrors have much better promise for safe texting.
phone in rear view mirror
speed limit aware cruise control
"Interestingly, there's a small percentage of people (around 15% or so) for whom talking on a cell phone has no measurable effect on their driving. These are people with the ability to interrupt the conversation flow, saying "just a minute" or simply ignoring the conversation altogether during a crisis."
In other words, the abilities of the driver are significant. Because these types of academic studies ignore the range of driver abilities and the very significant impact of inexperience and stupidity as well as the impact of wisdom, experience, and trained reflexes, these studies do not reflect reality.
Driver experience is important in accident avoidance when talking about cell phones and just about every activity in a car. Changing radio stations or even looking at the speedometer or side mirror at the wrong time could be disastrous, but experienced drivers know when not to do these activities. It is not the activities per se that are dangerous but the coupling with inexperience.
Moreover, these academic studies have not been validated. This is similar to medical studies that show a reduction in blood cholesterol but no impact on longevity. Until the link to accidents and mortality in real-world situations is shown, the results are unconvincing. Yet, the press and the lemmings who believe the press pass around the conclusions as gospel.
So what you're saying is that voice to text systems don't allow me to say "nah mean nah'm saying" like i would with everybody else in the car. great. then fucking give me a call and dont text me, fool, and also when I pull up I'm the grey not the silver silverando and you need exact change, brotha and keep your friends aside less they got scrilla i don't care to know they name does they got scrilla? doesn't matter fool, who texts a dealer en route, fool, that shit is dangerous, and doesn't nah what the fuck i mean, definitely doesn't nah what the fuck i mean, so here's your phone, here is your face, I know, i know, i know the phone is in shambles, and it seems a damn shame your face does not match. Leroy take this subhuman away from me, and make him and his friends reach a state where they understand the state of their phones, and they understand the risk of texting to me while i'm already on the mobile. Leroy, Leroy, please. Leave them alive at least. Oh, Leroy, the UN should be stopping you once you have a go at it, yea? Listen we werent here, goodbye, Sam was it? Doesn't matter don't text me while I drive I know it won't happen now...
Distracted driving is distracted driving. It is a pet peeve of mine that hand-held cellphones and texting is singled out, vilified and viciously punished, while other forms of distractions are entirely passed over. Talking on the phone, whether holding it up to your ear or not, is still talking on the phone, and equally distracting done either way.
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While the user is focused on that, they are not scanning their surroundings properly and actually analyzing what their eyes are seeing.
I see this sort of disconnect between vision and processing ALL THE TIME on my motorcycle at intersections. People looking at you, and processing you and registering you as "seen" are two ENTIRELY DIFFERENT things. They aren't looking for a motorcycle, they're looking for a car. Hence, even though they stare straight at me, they pull out anyhow.
The text vs voice input is similar. Just because they are not looking at the screen and are physically looking outside, it doesn't mean their brain is spending cycles on processing it. Another motorcycle related analogy is this: you have $1 worth of brain-cpu time. You can spend it on different things, but you can only ever spend the $1. If you spend 70c on looking forwards, 10c on steering, 10c on route-planning and 10c on evaluating traffic, you have zero cents left. If you then spend 10-20c worth of your brain on sending a message, whether it is via text or siri or whatever, you need to re-allocate some previously used processing time on it. That will come out of your $1 worth. It can't be had for free. Something else will suffer.
This is why when learning a track you're told not to try and ride it at 100%, and even top level riders can not maintain 100% pace for long. Because when you are spending $1 on trying to control the bike, you have nothing left over to analyze the circuit, plan your race strategy, etc.
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It would be more secure if speech recognition was almost error-free and the computer-human interaction more elaborate - e.g. including contextual clues about the driving situation. Basically, you'd need to be able to send a text message by mumbling "uhm, send a message to John whatever, you know, that I'll be late because of uhm traffic" where your phone might interrupt you at anytime and say "Hey, watch where you drive!"
Technology is not yet that far but likely in 10-20 years. However, in my opinion any such technology should be required to be developed as safety-critical systems like in avionics, and then it was no longer affordable.
'"One of the common comments was that they felt an inclination to look down at the screen to see if it heard them correctly, so that could be one possible explanation of why they were not looking at the roadway more frequently,"
So voice texting (like all voice recongnition products I have ever come across) basically doesn't work very well despite the grandiose claims of the "we'll have real AI in 5 years time" fanatics?
What a surprise.
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Hang up the phone. Drive. 20 years ago you DID NOT HAVE THAT PHONE. What would you have done then? You'd have driven, and then called from your destination.
There is NOTHING that urgent that you have to do it in the car and can't pull over. Especially not a phone call. CERTAINLY not a text.
Drive the damn car, and enjoy the peace and quiet or some gentle music as you travel. Stop for people on crossings. Give that bike a bit of extra room to make his life easier. ANY and ALL "slowdowns" on your travel will have such a tiny, insignificant effect on your actual arrival time that it's just not worth worrying about. And any savings can be wiped out by the tiniest bit of roadworks or bad timing on the traffic light or whatever else.
Enjoy driving again. And throw away the god-damn phone.
Please also apply this if you are in the following categories:
- Waiting to pull out on a busy road and so distracted on your phone that other drivers DELIBERATELY do not let you out (or you don't even see the gap because you're too busy talking).
- Have your sat-nav front-and-center of your driving position, splat-bang in the way of actually seeing real objects (they talk for a reason, and can be put on your dash for absolutely no cost whatsoever).
- Eating at the wheel. If you're that hungry, you can't concentrate properly. If you're in a rush, you're going to kill someone and then you'll be later than ANYTHING else. If you're doing it because you need something for your hands to do: DRIVE.
- Smoking at the wheel. I don't care about your personal habits, I'm not even advocating a rigid "two hands on wheel at all times", necessarily (hell, that even makes putting your indicators on or changing gear almost impossible). I just care about you not having a burning object in your hand that is dripping ash into your lap that you'll try to blow out of the window or throw the cigarette out, and you have to keep puffing on while trying to drive. STOP IT.
Who are these 85%, and taxonomically speaking, which kingdom are they classified in?
Nature keeps trying to kill them off because they don't sense the danger but we keep saving them and putting them back in cars.
is how many of these drivers were ghetto driving? How many thought they were being cool by stiff-arming the steering wheel or rolling their wrists over the top of the wheel?
In addition to the obvious distraction of trying to follow a conversation on a cell phone while driving, or trying to text and drive, one needs to take into consideration the near complete lack of stability one has when ghetto driving.
When you add in that factor, the danger factor increases tremendously.
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The trick is to break focus as little as possible (facebook should have a driving game of some sort).
and of course realize that 100% focus is a GOAL not a requirement.
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tether the bear to the car seat (and when the kid is old enough tether the bear to the kid directly)
or get very smart and have somebody old enough riding (err what do you call the seat behind the "shotgun" seat) to handle
"Mommy|Daddy|Caretaker doesn't want to wrap the car around a telephone pole" type things.
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re: Distracted driving is distracted driving.
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Yes! The Brady Bunch just had an episode about this over the weekend (well, I guess it's a re-re-re-re-re^{20}-run of a 1970's episode of the Brady Bunch) where Greg Brady almost rear-ends someone on the freeway because he's busy reading the back of a record album he's just purchased! He get's caught because little brother Bobby proudly exclaims how good a driver big brother is in being able to avoid rear ending that truck on the road! So there's no need to specifically blame texting or cell phones. People are just as distracted with radio dials, CD's falling of the seat, hamburgers they're eating, or makeup or maps or newpapers.